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Michael Bluth
11-25-2003, 02:45 PM
Despite a surge in post-price-cut GameCube sales, a recent report places Nintendo dead last in the console race.

"Nintendo faces the biggest challenge in its corporate history." That's the bleak assessment of a study released today by market forecast firm In-Stat/MDR entitled "Video Game Console Market Entering Cyclical Downturn." With the next generation of consoles due in less than two years, the report surmises that the current crop has hit middle age, and its sales have peaked. The report also echoes the widely accepted conclusion that neither Microsoft's Xbox nor Nintendo's GameCube will ever take the lead from Sony's PlayStation 2, which sold its 60 millionth unit in September.

However, while many analysts think the race for the number-two console is neck-and-neck, the In-Stat/MDR report puts Nintendo dead last, despite the GameCube's recent price drop and sales-volume increase. The reasons? GameSpot asked Reed Business analyst Brian O'Rourke, co-author of the report, to break down why he thinks the GameCube has fallen behind.

GS: The summary of your report says that "Nintendo faces the biggest challenge in its corporate history." Is that challenge external or internal?

Brian O'Rourke: The challenge is primarily external, but partially internal as well. Nintendo, for the first time, is facing two competitors who are large, very well-funded, and absolutely determined to succeed in the game console market. Sony is the most recognizable name in consumer electronics. Microsoft is the most recognizable name in software, and measures its Xbox marketing budget in the billions of dollars. Nintendo is also facing internal challenges. It has always depended to a great extent on first-party must-have franchises to carry it. However, in this generation, some of its software based on franchise characters, such as Mario, have not been as successful as in the past. In addition, attempts to create new franchises, such as Pikmin, have not been as successful as anticipated. This puts a tremendous financial strain on Nintendo, because its third-part relationships have not traditionally been as strong as its competitors.

GS: Your report claims that the Xbox has passed the GameCube in market share, but Nintendo claims its sales have quadrupled since the GC's price cut and it is now number two.

BO'R: I don't doubt that the price cut to $99 will help Nintendo sell GameCubes in the short term, over the next six to nine months, and raise revenues. I do question whether the price cut will help Nintendo to regain the number two position. Also, what will be the long term cost of the price cut? A 33 percent price cut will cut into Nintendo's profit margins. And when it wants another shipment boost, will it cut prices again? And cut into profit margins again?

GS: Why do you think the Xbox has done better than the GameCube?

BO'R: There are two reasons the Xbox has been able to move ahead of the GameCube. The first is the marketing budget. At E3 2002, Microsoft announced a $2 billion marketing budget through 2006 to promote Xbox and online service Xbox Live. That's a staggering sum of money in the console business, and has bought the Xbox excellent brand recognition. Secondly, Microsoft is selling more than a game console. With DVD movie playback, Xbox Live, and the recent release of its Music Mixer product, Microsoft is moving the Xbox beyond a simple game console, to a more wide-ranging entertainment experience. In a sense, the game console business is now about more than simply a living room gaming machine, and Nintendo, with the GameCube, is unable to provide that.

GS: What do you think Nintendo has to do to regain the number two slot? Can it in the current game-console life cycle?

BO'R: I think it will be very difficult for Nintendo to regain the number two slot worldwide. The GameCube is outselling the Xbox in Japan, but the Xbox is outselling the GameCube in both Europe and North America. Unless the GameCube price cut is able to significantly raise North American shipments over the long-term, I don't see Nintendo regaining the number two position.

GS: Your report predicted that the GC and the Xbox will never reach the PS2's 60-million-consoles-sold mark. Do you think Sony's lead will continue after the next generation of consoles are unveiled?

BO'R: Yes, barring any significant delays in releasing its next generation console, Sony should remain in the number one position in the next generation. Since its entry into the market in 1995, Sony has proven that it knows what gamers want. This is seen by the fact that the PlayStation/PSOne and the PS2 are the two leading game consoles of all time (excluding handhelds).

GS: Your report predicts that the next generation of consoles will see even greater sales (an estimated 50 million units in 2005) that the current generation (42 million units in 2002). Why is that?

BO'R: The history of the gaming market over the last ten years or so shows two trends: One the market is cyclical. It rises with the introduction of new consoles, and slows down as the market saturates, and in anticipation of the release of next generation consoles. Two, each successive generation of consoles outsells the previous generation. There is no certainty that either of these trends will continue. But with the entry of Microsoft into the market, and its determination to succeed, and with the determination of Sony to maintain its advantage, I believe the next generation of consoles will offer a combination of technology and price that will continue the success of the game console market.

By Tor Thorsen, GameSpot [POSTED: 11/24/03 04:11 PM]

http://www.gamespot.com/all/news/news_6084558.html


Bolding just for smells :)

The Dude
11-25-2003, 02:59 PM
*jumps ship becomes ps3 fanboy*

Kliq
11-25-2003, 03:06 PM
I'm not sure what else Nintendo can do ... XBox hasn't had a game worth playing in ages, and it still sells well.

dave
11-25-2003, 06:19 PM
the gaming philosophy of nintendo is still about quality as opposed to quantity. the gaming industry has become a kind of madness wherein people are simply looking at the numbers. if console A can produce 100 junk games and console B produces 10 high quality games then console A is regarded as superior.......what utter rubbish

Blaksmoke
11-25-2003, 06:30 PM
People buy what's attractive. Even though GameCube games are the most fun, what they look like turns a lot of people away. It's also the least versatile of the 3.

japand00d
11-26-2003, 02:10 AM
OMG Phantagram, seriously why the fuck do you care so much? Why do you think its your fucking duty to report all negative Nintendo news and all positive Microsoft news? I don't know about you guys, but I really don't give a shit.

Barbooski
11-26-2003, 03:46 AM
the gaming philosophy of nintendo is still about quality as opposed to quantity. the gaming industry has become a kind of madness wherein people are simply looking at the numbers. if console A can produce 100 junk games and console B produces 10 high quality games then console A is regarded as superior.......what utter rubbish


This is all too true...

unfortunatly.


I've had the recent displeasure of asking someone why they were getting what system they were getting. The person answered Xbox and upon inquery of ¿why? he answered "because I dont want to get any of the pussy games' there is one fact they always overlook

THEY PROBABLY CAN'T BEAT THOSE 'PUSSY' GAMES IN THE FIRST PLACE

He asked me what system I have and I responded dutifully Gamecube. And of course, like all flambouyantly ingorant gamers they are surprised at anyone getting anything but their own mediaboxes.

I'm pissed off at remembering that. :mad:

EDIT: Japanman don't get pissed at Phanty. Hes just giving 'objective' :angel: information. If it bursts your bubble in this relative safezone of positive gamecube feedback then you've gotta remember, gamecube will always have more better games than any mediabox out there.

Michael Bluth
11-26-2003, 03:47 AM
And you think no Nintendo fan has done such a thing to Xbox or PS2 fans?

Barbooski
11-26-2003, 03:50 AM
Never heard of a cube buyer getting a gamecube so they could avoid pussy games.

dncardman
11-26-2003, 04:27 AM
OMGOMG *converts to xbox*....ah what the fuck ever, you expect me to believe all of this?

Michael Bluth
11-26-2003, 11:18 AM
_______________________________ .


^ insert what not to believe up there. kthxbye.

AngryHamster
11-26-2003, 02:26 PM
Why doesn't the article reference any numbers? Have they been published anywhere?

"Also, what will be the long term cost of the price cut? A 33 percent price cut will cut into Nintendo's profit margins. And when it wants another shipment boost, will it cut prices again? And cut into profit margins again?"

Yet he doesn't once question MS's profitability. So much for objective journalism.

Anubis
11-26-2003, 02:33 PM
This could be the first step in my fears about Microsoft taking over the console industry. I seriously hope that doesn't happen. It probably won't but you can never be too sure with Gates and his lackeys.

Viper
11-26-2003, 04:25 PM
Why doesn't the article reference any numbers? Have they been published anywhere?

"Also, what will be the long term cost of the price cut? A 33 percent price cut will cut into Nintendo's profit margins. And when it wants another shipment boost, will it cut prices again? And cut into profit margins again?"

Yet he doesn't once question MS's profitability. So much for objective journalism.
I'm gonna further add to your post.

The 33% price cut may or may not have affected Nintendos hardware profits to begin with and by the time, if they do, cut the price another 33%, who is to say that the hardware will not have gone down in price to allow such a price cut? It's as though he thinks the cost of hardware will not go down for Nintendo.

So far MS has lost over $1 billion dollars on xbox, yet he feels Nintendo is doomed by it losing may be $5.00 per console?

A little reading.
http://www.nintendonow.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9941&page=1&pp=20

Blaksmoke
11-26-2003, 05:02 PM
When Sony started kicking ass in the VG business, almost everything else they were making started to decline in sales almost instantly. Not saying that would happen to Microsoft, but Sony has been in a bit of a rut themselves.

Viper
11-26-2003, 05:09 PM
When Sony started kicking ass in the VG business, almost everything else they were making started to decline in sales almost instantly. Not saying that would happen to Microsoft, but Sony has been in a bit of a rut themselves.
Didn't Sony have a 97% decline in revenue recently? OUCH.

smellslikenintendospirit
11-26-2003, 05:35 PM
One analyst, no marketshare numbers, no hardware numbers, no software numbers, little knowledge of the dynamics of the industry (See Q3), backed by one tracking source.

In all seriousness, there is no conclusive data available clearly indicating XB's or GCN's dominance. Thank you and have a nice day.

Haris
11-26-2003, 08:25 PM
OMG Phantagram, seriously why the fuck do you care so much? Why do you think its your fucking duty to report all negative Nintendo news and all positive Microsoft news? I don't know about you guys, but I really don't give a shit.

Sometimes he reports good news about Nintendo...if Price Drops are good news.


Are they?

Blaksmoke
11-26-2003, 10:05 PM
They are.

swifferman
11-26-2003, 11:50 PM
OMG Phantagram, seriously why the fuck do you care so much? Why do you think its your fucking duty to report all negative Nintendo news and all positive Microsoft news? I don't know about you guys, but I really don't give a shit.


LOL
:angel:

Batmanuel
11-27-2003, 12:17 AM
I don't think that sony will win the next console race, they screw up way to much but people just don't notice it. If nintendo, microsoft, and sony release a console at the same time everyone would be able to see how sucky Sony is. Microsoft or Nintendo will get the next console race. Probably M though..

Michael Bluth
11-27-2003, 02:11 AM
One analyst, no marketshare numbers, no hardware numbers, no software numbers, little knowledge of the dynamics of the industry (See Q3), backed by one tracking source.


Which seems to have quite a bit of credibility as his article was posted on GameSpot. If the article had been posted on, say, Spong, then I could understand people shooting it down right away. But that's not the case.

________
11-27-2003, 06:19 PM
WTF is all of that bullshit that that guy is saying? Nintendo is selling a whole lot more consoles thanks to the price drop, which more than makes up for the fact that they are making less money per console, therefore they are making more money. Also, Sony and Microsoft are losing money due to the fact that they are operating online networks for dozens of online games, compared to nintendo having only one. This one crackpot is saying that nintendo is dead last, while hundreds of normal people are reporting that nintendo is moving up. WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE?

RicoUzuki
12-16-2003, 09:47 PM
WTF is all of that bullshit that that guy is saying? Nintendo is selling a whole lot more consoles thanks to the price drop, which more than makes up for the fact that they are making less money per console, therefore they are making more money. Also, Sony and Microsoft are losing money due to the fact that they are operating online networks for dozens of online games, compared to nintendo having only one. This one crackpot is saying that nintendo is dead last, while hundreds of normal people are reporting that nintendo is moving up. WHO ARE YOU GOING TO BELIEVE?


Microsoft Operates only one server for the xbox online network. They are making money off of it, thats the point of online gaming. Also sony mostly has 3rd party companies running the servers for their online games again to make money. Nintendo is stupid in a sense in that they are missing out on a big oppertunity to make money. Im not trying to bash nintendo they have made some extremly good games.

Sandman
12-16-2003, 10:30 PM
I'm not sure what else Nintendo can do ... XBox hasn't had a game worth playing in ages, and it still sells well.That just proves how stupid Nintendo is. They have the worst marketing ever.

GUY1: Whats your favorite color?
GAYGUY2: (with a hugely gay lisp) Why of courthe ith purple!
GUY1: Okay, thats gonna be the color for GameCube that we're going to market in commercials and stuff. Jet Black is just plain gay and we wont put it in commercials until we realize that making a purple console was the worst idea ever.
GAYGUY2: YIPEE!!!!
GUY1: What do you think of online?
RETARDEDJAPANESEGUY3: Its stupid, we should THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
GUY1: Okay, we won't have any online then, even though half the world wants it.
RETARDEDJAPANESEGUY3: Yeah, games are more than just "who can beat who" but they should invoke the inner spirit of the person and that means they shouldn't be online.
GUY1: What do you think of 3rd parties?
RETARDEDJAPANESEGUY4: I don't know, I like Nintendo's titles only. Lets charge a HUGE licensing fee to 3rd parties and have a bad relationship with them so they make crappy/no games for us!!!!
GUY1: Good idea, check that one off too.
ALL: YAY GAMECUBE IS READY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

________
12-16-2003, 11:22 PM
I do agree those are a few problems. A lot of problems. More online games, not a purple console, and make good relationships with 3rd parties.

Notedog
12-17-2003, 01:27 AM
Its impossible to take you seriously with that name _______.

Koopa69
12-17-2003, 04:30 AM
Im goin down with my ship, at least it'll take a few years to sink.

coolwiteverybody
12-17-2003, 04:42 AM
Xbox is leading because the U.S. are so fallen into peer pressure. You have to have xbox to be cool

Darkness_Essence
12-17-2003, 04:56 AM
^^ So simple,yet so true.


Reminds me of smoking!!

peasantlover
12-17-2003, 08:58 AM
That just proves how stupid Nintendo is. They have the worst marketing ever.

GUY1: Whats your favorite color?
GAYGUY2: (with a hugely gay lisp) Why of courthe ith purple!
GUY1: Okay, thats gonna be the color for GameCube that we're going to market in commercials and stuff. Jet Black is just plain gay and we wont put it in commercials until we realize that making a purple console was the worst idea ever.
GAYGUY2: YIPEE!!!!
GUY1: What do you think of online?
RETARDEDJAPANESEGUY3: Its stupid, we should THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
GUY1: Okay, we won't have any online then, even though half the world wants it.
RETARDEDJAPANESEGUY3: Yeah, games are more than just "who can beat who" but they should invoke the inner spirit of the person and that means they shouldn't be online.
GUY1: What do you think of 3rd parties?
RETARDEDJAPANESEGUY4: I don't know, I like Nintendo's titles only. Lets charge a HUGE licensing fee to 3rd parties and have a bad relationship with them so they make crappy/no games for us!!!!
GUY1: Good idea, check that one off too.
ALL: YAY GAMECUBE IS READY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



you know, thats probably EXACTLY how it went down too..