New PC, now or wait for Vista ?

[CARTIER90]

My PC has vacuum tubes instead of transistors.....no ok i got it back in Nov 01, P4, 2 Ghz 512 RAM ...128 5600 ultra.....i want to run the latest and greatest, HL2, the upcoming FSX, Armed assault etc etc....

Should i get a new comp now for around 1000 pound (Sterling) or wait till Vista in say Nov ?, will DX10 be worth the wait, will it significantly enhance gaming performance ?.....should i go dual core, or is this still unnecessary ?

Thanks in advance...........

[D3adcell]

Wait for the vista. That is what I have decided to do. Right now its not neccesary but for future games and other things you will probably want to upgrade.

[Brandon]

It's just software. There's no need to wait until Vista. Just continue using XP and then upgrade when it's time.

[Derrick Barra]

Wait till Winter when Vista, DirectX 10, and Unreal Engine 3 games are all released. That way you can buy a system that runs all of them smoothly.

[Brandon]

Vista isn't going to make all hardware prior to its release obsolete. I'm not understanding this logic. But it isn't that far away so if you want to wait, by all all means, go ahead.

[Derrick Barra]

Vista isn't going to make all hardware prior to its release obsolete. I'm not understanding this logic. But it isn't that far away so if you want to wait, by all all means, go ahead.

Well what I meant is that if he waits for Unreal Engine 3 games to come out then the expensive graphics card by that time will run it no problem, but I don't know if I trust the 7800 and X1800 cards to do that right now (and who's gonna pony up the cash for the 7900 and X1900?)

Plus its not that big of a wait from now till then, I think he'll be happy he waited for the new technology.

[D3adcell]

Vista isn't going to make all hardware prior to its release obsolete. I'm not understanding this logic. But it isn't that far away so if you want to wait, by all all means, go ahead.

Yeah but if you get vista pre-installed on your pc its going to cost alot less then buying a pc now then getting vista seperatley later, oh and having to format your hdd and all that jazz.

[Brandon]

Bilding your own PC will be much less than buying a new PC with it pre-installed. If he's buying it factory made then I suppose he should just wait it out. Although if you're going that route, you'll be wasting money anyway.

[Sendok]

^maybe he dosen't want to build it himself, sure that route would be cheeper but some prefer buying something that works instead of f'in something up.
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Have fun w/those games and Vista btw.

[Brandon]

but some prefer buying something that works instead of f'in something up.Why are you assuming it'll be messed up? Nothing to worry about if you know what you're doing.

[venomv]

Why are you assuming it'll be messed up? Nothing to worry about if you know what you're doing.

If is a big word, not everyone can do it, or know someone who can without screwing things up.

[Sendok]

Why are you assuming it'll be messed up? Nothing to worry about if you know what you're doing.
There is a massive amount of people who don't know everything about the insides of a computer. Or if they do know alot they don't know it all. For example (most) everyone knows you need a internal power supply, but alot of people don't know what is the right kind for the comp they wanna build.

And for many there is security behind having a brand name, with their warrenty.

Now I can't speak for the maker of this thread, but there are alot of people who just want to buy someting that will play games (a la the success of Alienware)

[Backlash]

Personally, I'm gonna wait about a year after Vista releases before I upgrade. I'm not trying to be an anti-MS ass, but you know how they are with bugs and stuff. A year after release (with any OS), it will be more stable and better supported than when it first came out. In other words, I would buy your PC now, and wait about a year after Vista releases to upgrade.

Only thing is, Vista will probably tap a "slow" system's resources for all it's got. So make sure you get one that is more than capable if you get one now.

[Brandon]

There is a massive amount of people who don't know everything about the insides of a computer. Or if they do know alot they don't know it all. For example (most) everyone knows you need a internal power supply, but alot of people don't know what is the right kind for the comp they wanna build.

And for many there is security behind having a brand name, with their warrenty.

Now I can't speak for the maker of this thread, but there are alot of people who just want to buy someting that will play games (a la the success of Alienware)This is one reason why you must do a lot of research before building your first PC. And yes, companies give warranties on their PCs, but you can also get warranties for individual parts that you buy. Plus, it is so much cheaper to upgrade when don't have to buy the entire package all over again, because you already have your hard drive(s), disc drive(s), etc.. Plus it's fun. =)

I understand where you're coming from though. Some people would rather just buy the PC and not worry about anything. But when you build your own you know EXACTLY what's inside the case and will learn many things about computers in the event that something goes wrong. You also learn a lot just in the building process.

[Dralor]

Yeah building comps is good fun and if your still in college you can usually get really good software deals so that helps.

[Eidorian]

Yeah building comps is good fun and if your still in college you can usually get really good software deals so that helps.Yeah, if you're going to college just get Windows XP and Vista off of your school for dirt cheap. I have a copy of XP Pro SP 1 that I got for $5.

[Garfunkel]

maybe you shold just wait till july when AMD release the M2 socket and custom build your own, if you dont wanna put it together some shops will do it for you and give you a warrenty, it is not hard at all to custom build, i was only 15 when i built my sweet ass rig and it is a beautiful machine.

[Eidorian]

maybe you shold just wait till july when AMD release the M2 socket and custom build your own, if you dont wanna put it together some shops will do it for you and give you a warrenty, it is not hard at all to custom build, i was only 15 when i built my sweet ass rig and it is a beautiful machine.I did custom builds when I was 13. >_>

Although, I've been into computers since I was 6. =-o

[Dralor]

Ha ha yeah I've been as well good fun. The only thing you really need to have a lot of care with is when istalling the cpu making sure not to bend the pins and getting the rmal paste on right. Other then that the manuals tell you everything else if ya need them. The only thing I use them for anymore is plugging in the case wires to the motherboard as that can be damn near impossible without one.

[Teh Roxor!]

...is anybody else NOT buying vista?

[Brandon]

If they don't fix OpenGL for its final release, I'm sticking with XP.

[Eidorian]

If they don't fix OpenGL for its final release, I'm sticking with XP.OpenGL isn't supported for the GUI. You'll have to use your video cards OpenGL implementation.

[Garfunkel]

I wont be buying vista.........i will use linux!

[Brandon]

OpenGL isn't supported for the GUI. You'll have to use your video cards OpenGL implementation.I must have heard something wrong. But thanks for the heads up. =)

[Moses]

Pre-built or hand build, either way you are wasting your money. And with the Vista vs XP, go Vista because I damn well guarantee you that they will some how force everybody to buy that shit.

[Eidorian]

I must have heard something wrong. But thanks for the heads up. =)OpenGL games SHOULD work if your video card has it's own OpenGL drivers but Windows won't offer any default ones other than OpenGL 1.4.

Pre-built or hand build, either way you are wasting your money. And with the Vista vs XP, go Vista because I damn well guarantee you that they will some how force everybody to buy that shit.Yeah, you're going to have to suck it up and get Vista once games are running in Direct X 10.

It's like the BF2 Demo. It'll run in Windows 2000. But the full version "requires" Windows XP.

[Brandon]

Pre-built or hand build, either way you are wasting your money.Um...what's left to compare them to then? Air?

[Dralor]

He's a mac guy so he's taking a shot at PC's there, nothing else.

[Brandon]

I'm a Mac and PC guy myself.

[Dralor]

I'm a PC guy Mac's I used back in the day at school sucked so that could be why I hate them. They could be much better now but back then they were slow had stupid settings and were way too easy to crash.

[Fats]

Well, do a little research Dralor and you could be quite surprised. Not having a go at you or anything but I'm getting tired of hearing people blame their bad times with using old Mac's at school. They've came a long way.

[Dralor]

Ha ha I still think there over priced but that be a seperrate issue. Yeah what annoyed me most ws some stupid setting where the memory of the program was limited by said setting in the program rathwer than total memory size.

[Fats]

I can really remember them being retarded myself, I'd have never went near one to be honest but we had too as there seemed to be a lot of them back then. As I always say, I've been a Windows user since Windows 3.1. I now own two Macs and there's plently more to come in the future, Apple are obviously doing something right. ;)

[Dralor]

Ha ha I've been thinking of playing with linux myself but I'm addicted to my PC's games so if I do it will be a dual boot. Might have too take a look at the Intel Mac's as long as they do not have too much of a price premuim. The fact that I'm learning programming it might be fun to toy with different systems when I get to that pont hey I might even play with Cell.;-]

[Fats]

If there's one thing that I do miss it's playing good games on a PC. Good times! :)

[Brandon]

Macs have changed dramatically over the years. If you're a computer gamer, then Macs aren't for you.

[Fats]

The only game I play on my iBook is WoW, when I get the time that is. There's a few good games out for the Mac platform but it just doesn't compare to that of a PC.

[Dralor]

Ha ha I'm more of a techy. I've fucked my system pretty good playing in the registry and stuff. Yeah but I do enjoy my games but as long as I have a seperate system to take care of that. I would enjoy playing with it. Probably screw a few things up as well. Probably be better to give me a hand me down rather then a new system.;)

[Moses]

I might waste money myself for a gaming rig, and then just reformat it every week. But I wold have to wait...

[Brandon]

Why would have to reformat it every week? Have you ever owned a Windows PC in your life? Are these things you just...made up for the fun of it?

[Moses]

I asume that downloading naughty things on a computer with no AV or AS would need it. Meh. I changed my mind.

[Brandon]

Oh noes!! Viruses!! Usually when I get a virus it's short-lived and the problem is taken care of in a few seconds. The whole "Windows gets viruses" thing is really a matter of small importance...as long as you know how to maintain your PC properly. I've never had a problem with viruses.

[Moses]

See, I don't and don't feel like maintaining it. If I do ever get a PC it will be a strict gaming rig with only games and OS.

[WolfmanNCSU]

Let's stay on topic guys...

Anyway, it depends on how bad you need the system now and will upgrade later vs I can just wait and get it all together later on.

I try not to what version of the operating system make my decision when buying hardware because I can change that at any time pretty easily.

I dont' plan on upgrading my personal systems at home with Vista on release day. I will continue to use it here at work before I decide to upgrade eventually.

[Moses]

We are on topic. We are discussing XP vs Vista.