Windows Vista sucks

[gnznroses]

hmm, Vista sucks. i installed build 5308 64-bit. first off, it runs a bit slow, but that's expected. the reason it sucks is the "security" is just major over-kill. every time anything runs i get prompted whether to allow it or not. even things like task manager. that might be fixed later, but i'm sure most this security crap will be sticking around. i couldn't even access my own My Videos folder. explain that one to me... (i could access My Music and My Pictures...). it took no fewer than 7 steps (actually i didn't count one that i had to repeat twice) to grant myself access.


http://bashfreebieguide.com/thumb-http://bashsoftware.net/temp/Vista.JPG (http://bashsoftware.net/temp/Vista.JPG)

click the "security tab" link to get this:

http://bashfreebieguide.com/thumb-http://bashsoftware.net/temp/Vista2.JPG (http://bashsoftware.net/temp/Vista2.JPG)


but nope, you're still not done, because you can't just check the final option for "special permissions" you have to do all this:

http://bashfreebieguide.com/thumb-http://bashsoftware.net/temp/Vista3.JPG (http://bashsoftware.net/temp/Vista3.JPG)


even i don't know what the hell it all means. i can imagine what the casual user will be thinking...

i have more pictures of other stuff, like the start menu and save as dialog, but apparently Vista's Documents and Settings folder is encrypted or something as i can't access it from XP. (these 4 pics i coped over to the root of the XP drive as you'll see in a sec...) when i tried to access my XP My Documents form Vista i got the security crap. but at least i can enable it to get access. from XXP the Visa docs folder can't be opened and it says it's 0 bytes.


like i said i could access the my docs folder from xp so i coped to the D:\ drive. i thought it wouldn't even let me do that but clicking Allow did let me.
http://bashfreebieguide.com/thumb-http://bashsoftware.net/temp/Vista4.JPG (http://bashsoftware.net/temp/Vista4.JPG)


the interface is kinda nice, tho nothing you can't get on XP with WindowBlinds.

i don't really like the new All Programs thing. the start menu looks nice, but i could move between the XP menus faster than i can navigate through them the Vista way. i don't like having to use a scrollbar just to pick a shortcut to run. maybe if you were retarded and had 100 menu items in your start menu it'd be nice, but under XP i havbe about 12 cause i break up my start menu into categories like Audio Tools, Graphics, etc.

when you right-click your desktop you get "Personalize" instead of Display properties. it brings up a window that has a control-panel-style list of all the things you can change.. the same ones you can access from display properties in xp except now you have to open each window (eg screen saver, wallpaper, and the resoltuion sections) seperately instead of just clicking tabs in one window. that's annoying.

IE7 is also strange. tabbe dinterface is nice, tho i don't use IE anyways, i use Maxthon which already has that feature and a lot more. i was bugged a few time about turning on some anti-phishing crap. there is no Favorites menu anymore. it's like the start menu: in a little window that you scroll through. you can set up a few links in a menu under your Home button tho.

there's a new game or two. only one i tried, which looks really cool, is the Chess game.


oh, one more annoying thing, Paint saves the jpgs as "JPG". in uppercase. i like my extensions to be lowercase... Notepad seems to save with lowercase "txt"...

[gnznroses]

btw, i overlooked a lot of problems that it has that i think will be fixed, but i don't think the security things are gonna go away. they might add system stuff like task manager to an exception list, but i think as awhole it'll stay.
which brings me to another annoyance. hit ctrl+alt+ddel and you're kicked back to a Welcome screen-like window (it takes a lil while) that asks you if you want to open task manager, lock the computer or log off. wtf is the point of that. i can lock/log off from the task amnager so just gimme the damn thing...

[Generic Wheaties]

Well duh, it's not even finished. Plus, computers are expected to be a tad bit more powerful when WindowsVista comes out.

It's like a computer 1998 running a version of XP. XP is pretty RAM intensive so yeah.

[gnznroses]

oh, i know. i knew it'd be a bit slow cause it's not fully optimized yet either. i mean boot-up takes forever...

[OnBake Platinum]

I always figured Vista would suck...

[Generic Wheaties]

So I suppose WV doesn't suck?

[Broly]

Not nearly as hard as Minnesota.

Vista... I never really thought it would be very good in the first place. Guess we'll eventually see if that assumption is correct.
But it still looks like it will blow.

[Moses]

i can imagine what the casual user will be thinking...

"I like how that OS 10.5 looks..."

[Eidorian]

"I like how that OS 10.5 looks..."Yeah, the sad thing is I was worried that Apple wouldn't beat Vista with 10.5. Now it's dirt obvious they will. I hate Windows permission shit when dealing with my network mounted drive and making web pages using my university account. On my iMac it's fucking drag and drop and it's world readable. That and if worse comes to worse I can fire up the Terminal.

[Garfunkel]

It's funny because even with all that crap, it is still not anywhere near as secure as linux, and on linux you dont have to do any of that, is Microsoft stupid?, no need to answar that...

[gnznroses]

So I suppose WV doesn't suck?

heh, no it sucks. of course most people think their city/state suck so i dunno... i have to say tho, for the size of this city (about 50,000) we're a pretty good city. Warner Bros is filming a movie here this month actually, just started yesterday. we actaully get a lot of national attention for such a small town.

[WolfmanNCSU]

I am still playing on build 5270, just not have had the time to load the latest build.

What have you seen different between the two so far?

[gnznroses]

i dunno. i never used the previous one. there's an even newer one out now too. came out few days ago. dunno what's new in it either.

[Krad]

It's funny because even with all that crap, it is still not anywhere near as secure as linux, and on linux you dont have to do any of that, is Microsoft stupid?, no need to answar that...

Linux is definitely not more secure than Windows. Who really takes the time to build a virus for Linux? No one, because it's like their 'base.' Virus writers, hackers, ETC use Linux because they're all on the same side. And they don't like Microsoft and some don't like Apple, so they go their own way. But if everyone were to turn and use Linux there would be so many flaws it would be almost impossible to patch them all. All you need is a group dedicated to ruin your online/computer experience and you're done for.

And you're using a 'crappy' build. Build 5270 is much better than Build 5308. But neither can compare to Build 5342; a drastic improvement. It uses less RAM than XP. And a lot of features have been added on that weren't there before. We actually get the built in firewall this time.

Check it out if you can. Are you a member of the Beta team?

[cpiasminc]

It's funny because even with all that crap, it is still not anywhere near as secure as linux, and on linux you dont have to do any of that, is Microsoft stupid?, no need to answar that...
Well, Linux has the advantage of not being a mainstream consumer OS. Think of XP initially offering raw sockets -- that was an enormous security risk in spite of the fact that NT/2000 and Linux and various Unix flavors had it forever. The difference was that XP was a consumer OS that was going to be on the vast majority of machines out there.

The other thing is that because it's a consumer OS, it's kind of important that Microsoft make it very "out-of-the-box-and-go" as far as matters like this. To make a Linux box really stable and rock solid takes some real work and some knowledge of what you're doing, though a lot of people try to make idiot-proof packages. Windows has to be idiot-proof (at least, that's the idea anyway).

[gnznroses]

Check it out if you can. Are you a member of the Beta team?

nope, just a member of the warez team....

i decided not to try the latest build. i'll just wait til a few more versions are released.

[Eidorian]

Linux is definitely not more secure than Windows. Who really takes the time to build a virus for Linux? No one, because it's like their 'base.' Virus writers, hackers, ETC use Linux because they're all on the same side. And they don't like Microsoft and some don't like Apple, so they go their own way. But if everyone were to turn and use Linux there would be so many flaws it would be almost impossible to patch them all. All you need is a group dedicated to ruin your online/computer experience and you're done for.

Ugh, it's annoying when people use obscurity as proof of security.

[WolfmanNCSU]

I just got my latest build (5342). I will probably install it next week sometime, maybe sooner if I get the time.

[Coded-Dude]

Wait! You mean other versions of Windows DON'T suck? :wtf:

[gnznroses]

no, i really like XP...
no reason not to...

[Eidorian]

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~abarreno/dosshell.png

NEVER FORGET

[Moses]

...


Ok, thanks for that. (DOS IS DEAD)

[Brady]

XP rocks, Vista is looking ass ugly.

[WolfmanNCSU]

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~abarreno/dosshell.png

NEVER FORGET

YES, THE DOSSHELL!!!!!!

My favorite app until it was finally replaced by Win 95. I never used 3.11, just stayed with the good old DOSSHELL (and Norton Commander).

[cpiasminc]

My favorite app until it was finally replaced by Win 95. I never used 3.11, just stayed with the good old DOSSHELL (and Norton Commander).
Aaah, Norton Commander... I was more of an XTree fan myself. I kept both of them since I was surrounded by so many people who polarized one way or the other, so I allowed access to both.

[Krad]

Ugh, it's annoying when people use obscurity as proof of security.

Never said Windows was secure...

[Teh Roxor!]

I've never been interested in Vista. I'd like to try it to see what they've done, but I've been using Windows less and less over the last few years.

[Garfunkel]

by secure, i dont just mean hackers and viruses i mean adware/spyware and such as well.

[Krad]

They're all in the same boat.

[533y4]

I had Vista installed on my rig, and I can definitly say that there was too many security features. Also, a lot of my games and other programs never ran. If they did, it would be really, really, slow. (Like 1fps) Also, it had no support for AMD CPUs at all. I had to go on-line and download a AMD.sys, AMDK7.sys, and AMDK8.sys files. After those where installed it accually ran faster. Even after the new files, the games where still slug-ish. And one other thing that I didn't like, was that every time you ran a game, it put a icon/shortcut into the "My Games" folder. I can say that this is the first time that I don't upgrade my Windows OS.

[gnznroses]

i have an AMD64 and had no troubles of that kind.

[533y4]

I have a AMD Athlon XP 2400+. : / You probably didn't notice as much, with the speed increase, and the 64-32 bit OS differences.