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Michael Bluth
02-16-2003, 04:18 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/16/business/yourmoney/16XBOX.html


Here are some quotes from the article:


On a micro level, investors "don't like it because they lose money on every piece of hardware they sell," said Michael P. Wallace, a video game industry analyst at UBS Warburg. But, he added, "on a macro level, they're in the No. 2 spot."

In addition to overtaking Nintendo, which makes the GameCube console, as the second-place console maker, Microsoft has put itself in a position to compete with Sony for years to come, Mr. Wallace said.

When Microsoft introduced the Xbox in January 2001, it promised to put $2 billion into the product — $500 million in advertising alone. It may well need to spend it all. In 2002, according to UBS Warburg, Sony sold 18.3 million PlayStation 2 consoles, while Microsoft sold 5.2 million Xbox machines and Nintendo sold 4.7 million GameCubes. These figures reflect consoles sold to consumers, not consoles that the manufacturers ship to wholesalers or retailers.


Electronic Arts also projects that Microsoft will beat Nintendo in Europe, the second-biggest market after the United States. Still, Microsoft is particularly struggling in Japan, where it has been virtually shut out of the market, selling a mere 300,000 consoles, according to the company. Throughout all of Asia, Microsoft has sold only 500,000 Xbox consoles, according to UBS Warburg, compared with Sony's sales of 3.67 million PlayStation 2's.


"If Xbox has any chance of closing the gap against PlayStation, Microsoft is going to need a better Japanese strategy," said Michael Gartenberg, an analyst at Jupiter Research. He said it needed to have better games and to burrow into the Japanese distribution channel.

Microsoft said it was already making progress on games, introducing in Japan a game called DOA Xtreme Beach Volleyball. The 80,000 games sold out within two days.


Analysts said Microsoft must also persuade video game makers to produce versions of their products for the Xbox. According to figures provided by Microsoft but compiled by NPD Funworld, an industry research group, there are 458 games available for the PlayStation 2, versus 207 for the Xbox and 168 for the Nintendo GameCube.


Some big game makers have made versions only for the PlayStation 2. Most notable has been Grand Theft Auto, the most popular game the last two years. Microsoft said it is in discussions with the game's maker, Take Two Interactive, to persuade it to produce a version for the Xbox.


To bolster its game portfolio, Microsoft has been in discussions to buy Vivendi Universal Games. Microsoft would not comment on the issue.

In the meantime, Microsoft has quietly begun to make inroads with a feature that cuts across individual games: Xbox Live. This is a $50 attachment that lets console owners play games against one another over the Internet. Microsoft, citing figures from NPD Funworld, said it sold 350,000 Xbox Live kits since introducing the service in November. Sony has sold 438,000 of its own online kit, said Microsoft, citing NPD Funworld figures, but Sony has been selling its kit for almost twice as long, since August.


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/16/business/yourmoney/16XBOX.html


GTA on XBox? I don't think I'd buy it unless it were online, even then I'd wait for a price drop.

Kliq
02-16-2003, 04:28 PM
It probably won't happen, aren't they Sony-Exclusive via a contract?

Michael Bluth
02-16-2003, 04:29 PM
They're Sony-exclusive for a certain ammount of time, ala Splinter Cell, Medal of Honor, and Dead to Rights; just a lot longer than those contracts.

DLX
02-16-2003, 04:30 PM
Yea Keep Dreamin, Sony bought them out nice..i forget the sume of money they gave em, but its enough to ensure that PS2 is gamers only stop when it comes to GTA.

BTW another one is on the way for a christmas release...

JackieChanIsGOD
02-16-2003, 04:38 PM
Actually, it's on schedual for an October release, just like the previous ones...
There's lots of rumours going around... Here's some
GTA:VC for PC (which is coming out the same time as the new one for PS2) is going to have an online multiplayer mode
GTA:NEW for PS2 will have multiplayer mode
GTA:NEW2 for PS2 will be a fully online GTA (possibly to come out the same time as GTA:NEW
GTA:NEW2 will come out for PCat the same time as GTA:NEW

I dunno... i heard tons...
But there is a new GTA coming out for PS2 in the October area...
And i don't know when the contract expires... it is sometime in 2004... and Sony didn't buy them out... just made a contract....
But i think sony is gonna try pretty hard to keep em on PS2, even if they bring it elsewhere...

Michael Bluth
02-16-2003, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by DarkLink-xXx
Yea Keep Dreamin, Sony bought them out nice..i forget the sume of money they gave em, but its enough to ensure that PS2 is gamers only stop when it comes to GTA.

BTW another one is on the way for a christmas release...

Sony didn't buy them out. Rockstar has Max Payne on the XBox, and they are coming out with State of Emergency (vastly upgraded) and Midnight Club II (which will be online).

Kliq
02-16-2003, 04:43 PM
Don't you think they're rushing the games out ... much like the Tony Hawk franchise?

Michael Bluth
02-16-2003, 04:44 PM
Well, GTA still sells, Tony doesn't really sell anymore.

DLX
02-16-2003, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Phantagram


Sony didn't buy them out. Rockstar has Max Payne on the XBox, and they are coming out with State of Emergency (vastly upgraded) and Midnight Club II (which will be online).

Yea..What i meant is that they gave Rockstar a good sum of money to keep there GTA franchise on the Playstation 2.

Kliq
02-16-2003, 04:45 PM
Well that's becuase they're been like four sequels in three years or so.

Michael Bluth
02-16-2003, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by DarkLink-xXx


Yea..What i meant is that they gave Rockstar a good sum of money to keep there GTA franchise on the Playstation 2.

...... just like how Microsoft gave Namco money to keep Dead to Rights exclusive for a certain ammount of time, and the same with Ubi Soft for Splinter Cell.

DLX
02-16-2003, 04:48 PM
^The Only diffrence is that the deal from sony to rockstar is gonna last like 4 years(Most likely the remainder of the lifespan of PS2) and Not Six Months.

Kliq
02-16-2003, 04:49 PM
But where is your proof that it's only "a certain amount of time" .. wise guy.

Michael Bluth
02-16-2003, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by DarkLink-xXx
^The Only diffrence is that the deal from sony to rockstar is gonna last like 4 years(Most likely the remainder of the lifespan of PS2) and Not Six Months.

No it's not. You're so retarded. It ends somewhere between October and the start of 2004.

DLX
02-16-2003, 04:54 PM
^^ I never said it was perpetual.

^I stand corrected then, no need to get stupid.

Blaksmoke
02-16-2003, 05:09 PM
Nintendo helped Sony develop the hardware for the Playstation, and now Sony is whipping Nintendo's ass with the Playstation 2.

Irony in action.

JackieChanIsGOD
02-16-2003, 05:10 PM
That almost has nothing to do with this thread...
and i'm guessing no one read my post...

Michael Bluth
02-16-2003, 05:11 PM
Well Nintendo was like "Hey Sony, wanna make a CD drive for our new game system?" and Sony was like "Hey, um, sure". It's made, the 'Nintendo Playstation', and then Nintendo says "Who wants to play games on CDs. Pfft. Cartridges is where it's at, go away Sony" so Sony went away and come out with their own system and here we are today.

Blaksmoke
02-16-2003, 05:11 PM
Lol, you're right, Jackie.;)

Prince
02-16-2003, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by DarkLink-xXx
Yea Keep Dreamin, Sony bought them out nice..i forget the sume of money they gave em, but its enough to ensure that PS2 is gamers only stop when it comes to GTA.

Till 2004....

Originally posted by DarkLink-xXx
BTW another one is on the way for a christmas release...

The next vice is coming out before the contract ends, but not in 2003 according to the gamespot...

GTA Vice is Ps2 exclusive, but its coming to the PC like GTA3 came to PC.

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I always knew MS is trying to get this. I guarantee you once that contract is up Rockstar will be swimming in bags of money from MS. I don't think they'd let this one slip by again.

Future Starlocke
02-16-2003, 06:11 PM
Whooptie-doo! Nobody cares...

MCKingKongMushi
02-16-2003, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by DarkLink-xXx
Yea Keep Dreamin, Sony bought them out nice..i forget the sume of money they gave em, but its enough to ensure that PS2 is gamers only stop when it comes to GTA.

BTW another one is on the way for a christmas release...

They "bought them out so nice" that their exclusive contract runs out in 2004. GTA will be on Xbox sometime next year I would think. I won't buy it, but it will greatly improve Xbox sales.

EDIT: DAMN YOU PRINCE! You beat me to everything :D I see that you already stated that it runs out in 2004....:(

JackieChanIsGOD
02-16-2003, 06:17 PM
Yeah well... me and Adam beat you both...
i think the point that the contract runs out in 2004 has been established 8 times already

2004 GTA IS FREE TO ROAM WHICH EVER PLATFORM ROCKSTAR CHOOSES TO LET IT... ROAM... TO....

Future Starlocke
02-16-2003, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by JackieChanIsGOD
Yeah well... me and Adam beat you both...
i think the point that the contract runs out in 2004 has been established 8 times already

2004 GTA IS FREE TO ROAM WHICH EVER PLATFORM ROCKSTAR CHOOSES TO LET IT... ROAM... TO....

Lie. M$ probobly will give them $45 billion dollars and Windows XP Server Editions for free...

Prince
02-16-2003, 06:31 PM
damn right ;)