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cliffbo
04-20-2006, 11:37 PM
He hopes: What planet is he on doesn't he know that the majority are supporting blu-ray?


Chris Lewis, Microsoft's regional vice president for Europe, the Middle East, and Africa, and the head of the company's Xbox gaming business in Europe, was interviewed recently by the German site Spiegel Online. He discussed how Microsoft was doing with the Xbox 360, and what might lie ahead in the future.

Lewis predicts that by the end of June Microsoft will have sold between 4.5 and 5.5 million units of their next-gen console worldwide. While these numbers are decent, they pale in comparison to the over 100 million installed base of Sony's Playstation 2. If Microsoft is going to make progress in the battle for the next generation, they will have to try and get these numbers up before the PS3 debuts in November. Crucial to this struggle is the Japanese market, where Lewis admits the Xbox 360 has fizzled:

"It's a tough marketplace for us. It's critical for us to get out there with the right games. We're making steady progress, but it's tough."

When asked about the possible launch price of the Playstation 3—a price that a French Sony executive said might be about €600 before retracting this statement—Lewis carefully dodged the issue, saying that consumers should "wait and see" and that Microsoft was not too concerned when Sony launched or at what price point.

When the question of the PS3's Blu-ray capability came up, however, Lewis was more direct:

"Blu-ray right now reminds us of another technology from Sony: Betamax. A bit like VHS—we think that HD DVD is the format that consumers, film studios and publishers will embrace. As you're mentioning the cost of Blu-ray—we think it's about giving consumers choice, we think it's about not necessarily asking them to pay over the odds for a technology that, at the moment, is unproven."

Those of us who remember the VHS versus Beta battles remember that ultimately the choice came down to two issues: the storage capacity of the tape and the number of available titles. Ironically, Blu-ray already has an advantage in the former category and if it is adopted by more manufacturers it could wind up with the edge in the latter as well. However, the outcome is by no means certain, and it seems a bit early to be relegating one format to "Betamax" status. Lewis pointed out that Microsoft was working on an HD DVD add-on for the 360 that would, despite the lack of an HDMI interface in the 360, be able to watch any copy-protected HD DVD movies:

"All I can say to you is—there are interesting developments in the pipeline. We will make sure that the HD DVD-peripheral device will meet all the requirements for consumers to enjoy high-definition DVD playback."

Lewis ended the interview by talking about the positive news about Xbox Live: with the old system only 10 percent of customers used the service, while on the 360 more than 50 percent are connected. No doubt the free trial of Live that comes with the system bumps those numbers somewhat, but the figures are still impressive. He mentioned how exclusive content will be critical for Microsoft in the next-gen console wars, and pointed out how excited Peter "Populous" Molyneux was to be working with the company after the purchase of Lionhead Studios.

Personally, I think this last point is more important than whether or not Blu-ray is the next Betamax. If consumers find that the best games are available only on a certain platform, they will purchase that platform, regardless of what optical format it supports. After all, HD DVD just started shipping recently, Blu-ray still hasn't launched yet, and both formats will be expensive and have a paucity of titles for the foreseeable future. For a game machine, it's really all about the games. The fact that Microsoft seems to understand this bodes well for the success of the Xbox 360 in the future.



yes right, and a film movie company has just delayed their HD-DVD movies. PC Format doesn't say which company but come on we all know why.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060420-6641.html

Coded-Dude
04-20-2006, 11:41 PM
and the xbox360 reminds me of the sega dreamcast......

Handycrap101
04-20-2006, 11:42 PM
This thread will quickly turn into a bash-fest of the author. How in the HELL can he possibly utter HD-DVD being more supported and a better product. This man is an idiot... Perhaps my words are too strong but his statement is equally outragous so he should expect this type of feedback for mindless dribble.

CARTIER90
04-20-2006, 11:44 PM
Its called damage control - the 360 release has been mediocre, perhaps sales will pick up once the AAA titles are released (take a look at 'Just Cause' !)...

VG Aficionado
04-20-2006, 11:45 PM
C'mon people, there's no need of this kind of threads. They're not constructive at all and this guy's opinion will not have any consequences beyond some fanboyism and FUD spreading.

woundingchaney
04-20-2006, 11:48 PM
Both Hd Dvd and Blu Ray remind me of Beta Max at this point. Such a statement shouldnt be uttered until both formats are on shelves for about a year then we can look at figures such as support, movie sales, and userbase.

This is just more nonsense from some so-called MS rep. that hasnt matured since high school. Unfortunately its impossible to gag every ignorent spokesman for any given company.

RavenFox
04-20-2006, 11:49 PM
He has to say what he did about Blu-Ray. Bill Gates is pro HD-DVD.

jaxmkii
04-20-2006, 11:52 PM
and the xbox360 reminds me of the sega dreamcast......
right out of my mouth...

woundingchaney
04-20-2006, 11:52 PM
He has to say what he did about Blu-Ray. Bill Gates is pro HD-DVD.
The man is not forced to say anything, even so his statements shouldnt be so one sided and elementary.

RavenFox
04-21-2006, 12:02 AM
He works for Microsoft. He may not be forced but it wouldnt have went well if he gave kudos to the competitions format. Its like freedom of speech, it does have its limits.
Yes I agree with you on his elementary comments.

woundingchaney
04-21-2006, 12:07 AM
He works for Microsoft. He may not be forced but it wouldnt have went well if he gave kudos to the competitions format. Its like freedom of speech, it does have its limits.
Yes I agree with you on his elementary comments.
Simply him working for MS doesnt necessarily mean that he is obiged to bad mouth every single Sony related product in the industry. Other MS execs have had promising things to say about Sony products including the PS3 and they still retain their jobs (although like most things this statement goes both ways). I understand your point and its intention, Im simply stating that his position at MS doesnt depend on him badmouthing a product that isnt even out yet or that is affiliated with a competitors product (unfortunetely most Reps for MS, Sony, or what ever company dont seem to understand this and insist on making ridiculous claims that further smear the credibility of their company).

Domination
04-21-2006, 12:12 AM
This thread is silly. I mean, what did you expect? A Microsoft representative downing playing their platform in the eyes of the media just to uplift their nemesis will only cause their platform to look less attractive to the consumer. Hell, once upon a time, they thought it was a bad idea for Sony to enter the handheld market. So what. It's called marketing. So of course they are going to tell the media only what they need to hear. I would expect no less from any other competitor out there.

Fats
04-21-2006, 12:14 AM
*Starts a slow clap for Chris Lewis*

Of course this is fairly reminisant Betamax, but things are a little different this time around.

cliffbo
04-21-2006, 12:15 AM
This thread is silly. I mean, what did you expect? A Microsoft representative downing playing their platform in the eyes of the media just to uplift their nemesis will only cause their platform to look less attractive to the consumer. Hell, once upon a time, they thought it was a bad idea for Sony to enter the handheld market. So what. It's called marketing. So of course they are going to tell the media only what they need to hear. I would expect no less from any other competitor out there.

its no sillier than 'Corrupt a PS3 wish' priorities man priorities. :)

Fats
04-21-2006, 12:17 AM
^Lol, never bring that up again Cliffbo!

Junox50
04-21-2006, 12:33 AM
its no sillier than 'Corrupt a PS3 wish' priorities man priorities. :)

or a dinky petition signing about specs.

cliffbo
04-21-2006, 12:38 AM
or a dinky petition signing about specs.

bless him lol

Domination
04-21-2006, 12:50 AM
its no sillier than 'Corrupt a PS3 wish' priorities man priorities. :)

Well, I'm not going to go into all of that. My point is, Microsoft is being challenged greatly in this market. They even go as far as admitting it in the paragraph above. So by making their most formidable competitor out to be the superior player each time they get in a sticky predicament will only drag their opportunity of catching up to them farther down. Therefore, this reaction of theirs should not have been surprising. Any competitor out there in their position would have done the very samething. The question is whether they are right or not. Thus far, the results some how has always manage to turn up opposite to their own.

Blu Ray is still a bit of a question mark right now, although I hope it succeeds, but by simply trash talking any given product is not going to cause it to grown legs and just leave. That is up to the consumer. So frankly, I don't think anyone should go getting bend out of shape every time they hear something negative against their belief. Such things are very common - especially in this type of industry.

cliffbo
04-21-2006, 12:55 AM
Well, I'm not going to go into all of that. My point is, Microsoft is being challenged greatly in this market. They even go as far as admitting it in the paragraph above. So by making their most formidable competitor out to be the superior player each time they get in a sticky predicament will only drag their opportunity of catching up to them farther down. Therefore, this reaction of theirs should not have been surprising. Any competitor out there in their position would have done the very samething. The question is whether they are right or not. Thus far, the results some how has always manage to turn up opposite to their own.

Blu Ray is still a bit of a question mark right now, although I hope it succeeds, but by simply trash talking any given product is not going to cause it to grown legs and just leave. That is up to the consumer. So frankly, I don't think anyone should go getting bend out of shape every time they hear something negative against their belief. Such things are very common - especially in this type of industry.

agreed dom absolutely. i'm chilled... just thought it'd interest some as much as me. :)

edoshin
04-21-2006, 01:00 AM
At least Sony had the cajones to push BR .. they could have easily taken the safe route and delivered a cheaper console. If BR succeeds, they've created an incredible revenue stream, future proofed themselves, and delivered incredible potential. BR can also be a major failure that would have significant impact. Its a big big risk to put BR in the console at the risk of alienating their userbase because of the higher price tag. But if PS3 succeeds on the level of PS2, then they've gained a significant advantage.

Either way, that's big talk from a company that took the safe road.

woundingchaney
04-21-2006, 01:14 AM
At least Sony had the cajones to push BR .. they could have easily taken the safe route and delivered a cheaper console. If BR succeeds, they've created an incredible revenue stream, future proofed themselves, and delivered incredible potential. BR can also be a major failure that would have significant impact. Its a big big risk to put BR in the console at the risk of alienating their userbase because of the higher price tag. But if PS3 succeeds on the level of PS2, then they've gained a significant advantage.

Either way, that's big talk from a company that took the safe road.
I dont think MS by any means took the safe road, but if you are refering to their use of dvd then I see what you mean. But at the time of launch neither format was anywhere near completion and MS doesnt have the ability to push a format as Sony does. Sony placement of BR in the PS3 is marketing genius, but MS doesnt have the hardware ties that Sony is capable of and them in the format war isnt necessarily for Toshiba and HD DVD to win but more for Sony not to control the reigning optical media format.

The revenues for the success of Blu Ray far distance the even high profits of PS3 (well this gen, perhaps not the brand throughout decades).

Helios
04-21-2006, 02:49 AM
Is any still truly surprised when any given MS employee slams anything PS3 related? I mean surely Sony has had their own share of statements slamming the 360, but MS always seems a bit more childish in their outlashings and its nothing new.

Backlash
04-21-2006, 06:14 AM
Yeah, I think it's pretty much required babble by PR peeps. Some MS guy (could be the same one) talked crap about the Rev too. All three have done their respective bashing, MS seems to do the most of it though. Sony usually just talks their stuff up.

It's all to please shareholders and generate hype though.

F089/H
04-21-2006, 06:42 AM
Silly Talk is what it is....MS wants to push HD-DVD and make it the way ofg the future and for Xbox 360 to be right there with it but they can't even make a 360 with an intergrated HD-DVD drive...
You know why a lot of people bought PS2,because of its Integrated DVD player aspects...While PS3 won't be the first BD Player it will offer a safe haven for those noty wanting to buy the $1805.79 monstrousity that Pioneer has realeased.

Pushing for HD with Half-Def parts? Hmmmm,*rubs chin,Candy style*

edoshin
04-21-2006, 07:08 AM
Was it just a matter of HD-DVD drives not being ready that 360 launched with DVD?

venomv
04-21-2006, 02:16 PM
I think it may have been something like that.

Z
04-21-2006, 02:42 PM
there isn't any news and the usual will come up with such a topic. this one is better off in the Box section.