Samsung LE40R51B

[Fats]

I'm considering buying a new TV, perhaps sometime in May. I've shopped around quite a bit and looked at many TV's but I'd just like to know what your opinion is on this particular TV?

Samsung LE40R51B

http://www.247electrical.co.uk/isroot/tfsphase2/Images/products/images_s/SAMLE40R51B_s.jpg

http://www.futurehome.co.uk/ProdImages/LE40R51B.jpg

http://www.futurehome.co.uk/prodImages/LE40R51B-spec.jpg

This TV seems to be the best value for money at around £1,200 but I'm just wondering does anyone know of a TV which offers similar performance for cheaper? Obviously when I buy a TV, or any HD TV, I'll have the PS3 in mind. Thanks for the help! ;)

[version]

1080p ???

[Fats]

No, I don't think so, 720p I believe. Wouldn't a 1080p TV cost a fortune? :(

[masteratt]

All the experts are saying anyone waiting to upgrade their TV to HD should wait at least two years.
Appereantly that's when the dust will settle and we will see true quality coming through.

[Fats]

^I also kind of agree with what you're saying there. Would it make more sense until 1080p TV's are released on the UK market and the price settles somewhat?

[Kiosko]

I'm getting this one. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0009WAXSI/ref=wl_it_dp/103-9834405-9531043?%5Fencoding=UTF8&coliid=I1AAULXX18IMWT&v=glance&colid=6VCUDK2R7VOS

Samsung makes some great tvs.

[eurotrash]

All the experts are saying anyone waiting to upgrade their TV to HD should wait at least two years.
Appereantly that's when the dust will settle and we will see true quality coming through.


Argh, really!?

I want a HDTV right now dangit... I was thinking about getting a 32" Thomson Intuiva, it seems like it's got pretty sweet options for a decent price, and 1080p is no doubt too expensive for me...

So anyways, you're saying that HDTVs will be far better in 2 years?

[masteratt]

In two years all this HD TV excitement will clear. More companies will really get the hang of it and basically in general there will be a more solid feel about the whole HD market.
At the moment everything is way too hectice and with the HD technology not 100% finalised yet and it keeps upgrading, you might buy something that later you might feel ripped off for as in two years something much better that does more will be out and be cheaper than the HD TV you bought now.
I don't know what the situation is around Europe or in the Far West but as far as UK is concerned, waiting two years is definately the most sensible thing to do.
Unless you are rich.

[Kiosko]

Yup. I propose waiting is the most sensible thing to do.

[jaxmkii]

No, I don't think so, 720p I believe. Wouldn't a 1080p TV cost a fortune? :(
you can get 1080p sets for that price... thats not even a 1080i... plus its contrast ratio sucks so for get taking advantage of any HDR lighting stay away from LCDs of anytype get your self a good quality direct veiw CRT theres lots of 1080p CRTs under 1200 with HDMI

800:1 contrast... before you buy it ask to watch it in a dark room you will see what i mean

personaly this is what i would hold out for... AKA put in OT sell a child or something between now and november...

you can do it!

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?CategoryName=tv_ProjectionTVs_RearProjection _55to80TVs&ProductSKU=KDSR60XBR1&TabName=specs&var2=

[sif]

FATS lives in Europe, where HD CRT's do not exist at all. IMO you are definately much better off getting an LCD than a plasma if you are going to be gaming, as you avoid screen-burn with stuff like permanent HUD's. Otherwise it is plasma all the way (better blacks, response time). As for which LCD, the Samsung's are cheap and well made, but lack the pic quality of Panasonic's or the Sony Bravia's. If you are getting Sky HD, it is £100 less if bought with a Bravia, so that is worth considering in the price equation.

I would buy a 40" S-series Bravia as an LCD, not as goood pic quality as the V-series but much cheaper. As for plasmas I recommend a Panasonic TH42PX60 (which I own and is amazing with a 360 as well as upscaled DVD).

[Red]

Why not this one?

LG 32LX2R

http://de.lge.com/download/product/ETC/32LX2R/32LX2R_large_lge.jpg
TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION
Display

Brightness 600 cd/m²

Contrast Ratio 1200:1

Viewing Angle 178 degrees

Aspect Ratio 16:9

Resolution 1366 x 768

Size 32

Response Time 8ms GTG

Video

Enhanced Line Doubler Yes

Video Processing XD Engine

Enhanced Noise Reduction Yes

Digital Comb Filter 3D

DLTI / DCTI Yes

Colour Temperature Control Normal, Cool, Warm, User

Black Stretcher Yes

Cinema 3:2 Mode Yes

Auto Booster (Analogue) Yes

Aspect Ratio Control 16:9, 4:3, 14:9, Spectacle, Original,Zoom

EZ Picture / PSM Dynamic, Standard, Mild, User

Audio

Mono / Stereo / Dual Yes

Audio Output 10W x 2

Speaker System 2 Channels

Surround System SRS WOW

Bass / Treble / Balance Yes

EZ Soundrite / AVL Yes

EZ Sound / SSM Flat, Music, Movie, Sports, User

Mute Yes

Function

Teletext 1000 Pages

EZ OSD Yes

Picture In Picture PIP, DW, POP

EZ Scan (Auto Programming) Yes

Channel Labels Yes

Favourite Channel Yes

Auto / Manual Clock Yes

On / Off Timer Yes

Sleep Timer Yes

Auto Off Yes

Intelligent Eye Yes

Screen Adjust (PC Input) Yes

Flashback / Quick View Yes

Integrated Terrestrial Tuner 1 x Analogue

Child Lock Yes

Interface

Rear Video Board HDMI
DVI-I (With HDCP)
PC Audio In (3.5mm Jack)
IR In (3.5mm Jack)

Rear AV Board AV In (Composite Video)
S-Video In
Scart (1 Full, 1 Half)

Rear RF Input Yes

Side AV Board Component (Supporting SD, Progressive Scan & HD)
Headphone Socket

General

Size With Stand (WxHxD mm) 922 x 612 x 208.5

Power Consumption 140w

AC input 100~240V, 50 / 60Hz

Size (WxHxD mm) 922 x 545.3 x 126.3

Weight With Stand (kg) 21.4

[jaxmkii]

Why not this one?

Resolution 1366 x 768



1920x1080 nothing less or your only cheating yourself

[Yo MaMa84]

The Sony SXRD TV doesnt accept 1080p signal.....just to let you know. At work I display 1080p videos on it, but its because its connected to a Media Center PC

That Samsung tv is crap compared to their newer model......its gorgeous.
4000:1
2 HDMI input
The colours are so bright and vivid that its looks better than Sony Bravia XBR.

The model number is LNS3251D

[sif]

4000:1 is a theoretical figure btw, Sony LCD panels are the same and they are only 800:1. Again that model does not exist in Europe.

[NeoPlayStation]

My (future) choice:
Sony Bravia 40" XBR1
1300:1
8ms
720p

[8_Bit]

If you are looking at a screen under 50", I wouldn't be so concerned with 1080p, unless you want to use it up very close like a computer monitor.

What I'd be more concerned with, esp. with LCD, are contrast ratios and response times.

Personally, I'd wait until August or so. Summer is when we'll see a bunch of the new models from CES making their way to store shelves.

If you wait until late-summer/early-fall, you'll have more choices -- go with a brand-new model with better specs, or go with an older model at closeout prices.

[Arnaud_M]

you might buy something that later you might feel ripped off for as in two years something much better that does more will be out and be cheaper than the HD TV you bought now.

This will be true whenever he decides to buy more or less anything ...

Arnaud

[Fats]

Some great advice here so I'm basically stuck between this TV and waiting a while until I can get a set with 1080p. Is the difference between 720p and 1080p massive? At the moment I can't say I'd be too fussed and having a TV like the above I'm sure I'd be very happy with it.

[CARTIER90]

Hopefully the PS3 will still look good on a bog standard TV ?.....(as in normal def )

[Fats]

^Yeah, so do I. I'd like to know because I'm sure that I'll lug my PS3 down to my friends house the odd time.

[casualkiss]

I know its hoping against hope, but I am waiting for toshiba/canon SED. I still love the bright FAST picture of classic tube and SED will replicate that experience in a low-power two inch thick HD package.

Until then, refresh speed is my main gripe. Too slow = headache.

[indiekid4]

I'm considering buying a new TV, perhaps sometime in May. I've shopped around quite a bit and looked at many TV's but I'd just like to know what your opinion is on this particular TV?



This TV seems to be the best value for money at around £1,200 but I'm just wondering does anyone know of a TV which offers similar performance for cheaper? Obviously when I buy a TV, or any HD TV, I'll have the PS3 in mind. Thanks for the help! ;)

I have this TV. I highly recommend it. It's beautiful to look at and watch HD content on. A great purchase.

[Fats]

I actually went down to my local Electronics shop and seen the Samsung LE40R51B for myself, and yes, I'm pretty impressed. I have a strong feeling that I will go for this TV as I really do think I'll purchase an HD TV within the next two months.

I did notice however that it wasn't quite as nice looking as the 60 Inch LG monster I seen. ;)

[indiekid4]

haha, well of course it wouldn't! lol. But Samsungs do make great LCD televisions. I am exetremely happy with my 40 inchers. :o)

[Fats]

Yeah, I really love Samsung now and I think their company as a whole has really come on leaps and bounds! Obviously my first choice of TV would usually be Sony, but with Samsung offering great products and being slightly cheaper than Sony it really makes sence.

[yoshaw]

To the thread starter!

DON'T BUY ANYTHING(HDTV) WITHOUT HDMI!!!

[Infernal]

It has HDMI... and the HDCP standard compatability thing.

[yoshaw]

:err:

GO BUY IT IMMEDIETLY!!

[Fats]

Lol, I'm swinging towards that way Yoshaw! ;)

[lips]

The dvd player in my car can do 720p, I don't see the logic in plunging a bunch of money into the technology when you can buy 1080p.

[Fats]

Are you directing that at me Lips because I cannot buy a 1080p TV in the UK!

[8_Bit]

Is the difference between 720p and 1080p massive?

At larger screen sizes, the difference will be pretty great with Blu-ray content if your set will accept a 1080p feed. (Few will right now though)

As I said before though, under 50" I wouldn't be that concerned. (And I'm a big 1080p fanboy since CES '05) If you are looking at a 40" set, I'd concentrate on fast response times, which are really important for gaming on an LCD, and good contrast ratios.

[stanDarsh]

Fats, is the size of the screen, a big issue to you? If not there's a few that do > 1080P Resolutions at a reasonable price (all Dell pricing below is in Australian Dollars, 1 Pound = $2.40AUD, Amazon pricing is USD):

24" Dell LCD Monitor:

DellTM 2405FPW 24" UltraSharpTM Wide Screen Flat Panel LCD Monitor
Super High-end Wide Screen Flat Panel monitor with Digital DVI-D/Analog/ S video/Composite/Component inputs

Brightness: 500cd/m2
Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
Interface: Analogue / Digital / Video - 15pin D-sub, DVI-D, S-Video, Composite, Component
Resolution: 1920 x 1200 ( WUXGA ) Native/Maximum
Response Time: 16ms ( black to white ), 12ms ( grey to grey )
Warranty: 3 Year Next Business Day Advanced Exchange
AUD$1,599.00
http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/20lcd_au?c=au&l=en&s=dhs

30" Dell LCD Monitor:
http://dellstore04.dell.com.au/public/images/mon_wfp3007.jpg
Brightness: 400 cd/m2 (typ)
Contrast Ratio: 700:1 (typical)
Interface: Digital: Detachable, DVI-D ( Dual Link) with HDCP, Solid pins
Resolution: 2560x1600 at 60 Hz
Response Time: 11ms average (grey to grey), 14ms typical (black to white)
Warranty: 3-Years Advanced Exchange Service which can be extended up to 5 years
AUD$2,899.00
http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/30lcd_au?c=au&l=en&s=dhs

Samsung 24" LCD ($USD from Amazon) :

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0007Z1M4Q.01-A9B09ZK9BZJQ6._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_V54426302_.jpg
* Compatibility: PC and Mac
* Panel type: TFT Active Matrix
* Display size: 24.1"
* Diagonal viewable screen size: 24.1"
* Maximum non-interlaced resolution: 1,920 x 1,200
* Dot pitch: .27 mm
* Contrast ratio: 1000:1
* Response time: 16 ms
* Brightness: 500 nits
* Input signals: DVI-D, analog RGB and CVBS video input, component video, S-Video, HDTV capability
* Input connector/cable: 24-pin digital DVI; 15-pin HD D-Sub; mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm; RCA x 3 component video input; RCA x 2 audio line-in; 21-pin SCART; RCA composite video input; 4 pin mini-DIN; FM antenna; 3.5 mm x 2 speakers output; TV antenna input
* Analog video format: NTSC, SECAM, PAL, PAL-B/G, PAL-N, PAL-M, PAL-I, NTSC 4.43, NTSC 3.58, PAL-K, PAL-D, SECAM L, SECAM D/K, SECAM B/G
* Analog video signal: RGB, S-Video, composite video, component video, HF TV signal
* Horizontal viewing angle: 178 degrees
* Vertical viewing angle: 178 degrees
* Horizontal frequency: 31 ~ 81kHz
* Vertical frequency: 56 ~ 75 Hz
* Aspect ratio: 16:10
* Wall mountable: Yes
* Compliant standards: TCO '03, VCCI, DDC-2B, EN 61000-3-2, EN55022, EPA Energy Star, ICES-003, PCT, TCO '95, TCO '99, EN 61000-3-3, EN55024, EN 60065, EMC, IC, EN55013
* Environment: 50-104 degrees; 10-80% non-condensing humidity
* Power: AC 110/230 V ( 50/60 Hz ; 150W consumption
* Audio: Two attachable five-watt Virtual Dolby speakers
* Color: Silver
* Width: 22"
* Height: 16.8"
* Depth: 7"
* Weight: 19.8 lbs
* Warranty, parts: One year
* Warranty, labor: One year
* In the box: LCD screen, viewing stand, two 5-watt speakers, VGA cable, antenna cable, DVI cable, audio cable, remote control, user's manual, drivers, warranty and registration card

There are more around I'm sure. As far as I'm aware Dell use Samsung's LCD Panel.

[Z]

I am getting this baby as soon as the 1080p model hits the stores:
http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/650x650/KDLV40XBR1.jpg

might as well go all the way :).
did you know the screen's brightness automatically gets adjusted depending on the rooms lighintg? dang!
heck, even the name is a kicker: Bravia is short for; Best Resolution Audio Visual Integrated Architecture.

now that's how you name 'em! lol

[Fats]

Hey Stan thanks for all that but I'm really looking for something that's around 40 inches, I would say that size is my overall goal. Having said that there's no way that I could get anything much bigger into my front room.

[=NukeBlaze=]

Bla, I still will not buy LCD's for TV. I purchaced an HDTV 1080i Panasonic, and the picture is outstanding....and the upconversion is outstanding on any source. The only flat pannel TV I will buy is an SED TV, which still is not out yet, but is based on CRT technology but differs that every pixel has its own electron gun. Thin like an LCD/Plasma, picture quality like a CRT with less distortion than ever, no "NATIVE RESOLUTION" problems of LCDs, superior contrast/brightness/color reproduction/Viewing angle of CRTs, and no backlights!

Personally, I am happy with my 27inch 450$ USD HDTV, because I get a wonderful picture, it saves me quite a bit of money, and if I had allocated 1500$ to spend on a TV and I went with my $450 option, in two years I could get an Awsome 750-1000$ SED or OLED based TV in total for the same price point as on a large LCD TV now.

[indiekid4]

I am getting this baby as soon as the 1080p model hits the stores:
http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/650x650/KDLV40XBR1.jpg

might as well go all the way :).
did you know the screen's brightness automatically gets adjusted depending on the rooms lighintg? dang!
heck, even the name is a kicker: Bravia is short for; Best Resolution Audio Visual Integrated Architecture.

now that's how you name 'em! lol

yah that's tight. The Samsung in which FATS is looking at does the same thing. :o)

[Smokey]

id get a 1024x1024 hitachi plasma me mate got its awsome & has a gorgeous picture. plasmas have better contrast ratios than lcd.