Rants, Complaints, etc. thread

[stanDarsh]

Alright guys, there have been way to many negative posts, and it's dragging the whole forums down. So if you wanna whine, carry on, mope, bitch complain or rant, do it right here, keep it to this one single thread, instead of spreading it all out everywhere!

You have every to feel any way you do, I'm not gonna stop you in that regard, however polluting the forums with negativity has got to stop, and all other complaining style threads will be closed. Get it all out of your system, and then get back to more intelligent posts and conversation.

Thank you.

-Andy

[cliffbo]

i'm just a little concerned about the cheaper package not having wi-fi and HDMI, other than that after watching the conference again i'm happy.

[lshian]

But you still got gigabit ethernet ports, and unless u have a 1080p hdtv then hdmi is a must.

[stanDarsh]

Oops I meant to put this in PS3 discussion, I'll leave a redirect.

[Saibo]

Im piss because they didnt mention anything about a PS3 Linux Kit!! damn you Sony!...

nice to get that off my chest. :D and Tekken suck major ass..

[Fats]

I'm pissed off with a lot of the members on this board, Ken would not be happy!

Hang your heads in shame!

:susp:

[Junox50]

I'm pissed off with a lot of the members on this board, Ken would not be happy!

Hang your heads in shame!

:susp:

lol.

Thank you so much for making this thread, StanDarsh. My rant is this thread should have been made sooner, so there! ;)

[Goki]

I was dissapointed aswell, but ive had a look at the confrence again, its not as bad as it seems...

[Viper]

I'm pissed off they turned us away from the Sony conference even after having been confirmed for attendence with media crew.

[Coded-Dude]

^me too, now what I look forward to the most from teh DVD is.......

THE FREE CONSOLE SURPRISE, and some Ninty HD game trailers!

[masteratt]

The console looks like a pregnant PS2!!
I'm not some stupid dumbass who cares about what the console looks like since I prefer to play the console rather than stare at it but pregnant PS2 design= I can't put it where I put my PS2 now. And 5kgs was it!?!?
Do they give you a free forklift when u buy a ps3?? ,llololo1lo1lol2ol21ol2o1!!1

I love how the expensive version has the silver logo and the cheap ass one is just black....MAKES YOU LIVE IN GUILT!

Another rant- FUCKING ROCKSTAR! GTA 4 is just going to be a *slightly* improved GTA: SA where if they concentrated on developing it around PS3 with it's super specs and Blu-Ray, we could have had THE GTA 4! now its just "meh...next gta..."

[Smokey]

I love how the expensive version has the silver logo and the cheap ass one is just black....MAKES YOU LIVE IN GUILT!
lol i have nothing to be upset about EXcept im lookin at $1000 au if they use the euro as the exchange. the worst thing about that is that here you buy 360HDD for $649 theres $350 difference. its gonna hurt SONY here in aus :(

[nwo504]

I wanna know about linux but I can see why they didnt say anything about it at e3.

[Z]

I'm pissed off they turned us away from the Sony conference even after having been confirmed for attendence with media crew.
concider that a blessing...

[Viper]

lol, are you saying that because many feel it was a bad presentation or what?

[kaphwan]

Z, your siggy links do not work.

Just thought I should point that out.

Only the top two. The last one works for me.

[Freeman_JI]

lol i have nothing to be upset about EXcept im lookin at $1000 au if they use the euro as the exchange. the worst thing about that is that here you buy 360HDD for $649 theres $350 difference. its gonna hurt SONY here in aus :(

The price over here sux Sony will probably bomb and have to lower the price anyway at leat to the $800 mark much like what MS did with the origianl xbox.

Other than the price and SKU's the console is pretty much what I expected so thats all good.

Oh and the Killzone Motor Storm debacle. Stop showing target renders for F&^%s sake. Work on the dam games instead of blowing $$ on pointless CGI

[cpiasminc]

I'd post my primary rant, but I think it'd be a bit long, and I have a feeling I would find myself expressing it in such a way as to sound like Dr. House. Maybe I can put it up in a satirically styled editorial, but I'll wait until everybody gets the last of their E3 content posted up.

[Zer0-Sum]

I'd post my primary rant, but I think it'd be a bit long, and I have a feeling I would find myself expressing it in such a way as to sound like Dr. House. Maybe I can put it up in a satirically styled editorial, but I'll wait until everybody gets the last of their E3 content posted up.

I would like to here your rant. Please rant away.

My rant is the price. It sucks big time. But I guess if I am planing to get an HDTV anyways then the extra price will not kill me too much.

My other rant is that for that fat chunk of change the PS3 had better live up to the price and deliver like no ther system ever has. Get with it Sony and devs1 because these games had better BLOW MY MIND. BOOM! Hey Sony! We want Killzone to be like the trailer with silky smooth gameplay!

[cpiasminc]

I don't really have a problem with the price. I've never bought a console when it was relatively fresh on the market (well, unless you count the Videopac G7000, but that one I got free). I don't expect to start now.

But my rant is largely about the public, and I believe it goes over the text limit for a post, so I'll put it up on the front page in the morning.

[Hrama]

Ah, good things come to those who wait I suppose. I look forward to hearing your rant Cpiasminc. I am a real critic on everything myself (And a general asshole as my girlfriend says). I have a rant on nearly everything and so I can appreciate a diatribe aimed at the public (my number 1 annoyance). Looking forard to seeing it in the morn Cpiasminc.

[Applefiend]

It just seems to me....

Nintendo had a kick ass conference, showed a lot of cool stuff. After a few days the glow comes down a bit and you wonder how practical this all is.

Sony had a terrible conference, but under the hood and behind the scenes there's lots of awesome stuff out there, so you perk up.

Microsoft, showed virtually nothing new, just a couple of new titles, 2 of the big ones, Forza 2 and Fable 2 with cg only.... Everybody loves them.

You get the feeling everyone is desperate for Sony to fail. Nobody is just hoping for the best. Sony showed through the show more good new titles than the competition... Everybody hates them.

[Black Dragon37]

I'm pissed off that the Core PS3 pack isn't likely to be upgradeable.

I'm also pissed that the DS3 doesn't have the vibration feature... although I hope that issue is resolved soon. :)

I'm also pissed off at the price... and I shouldn't be - 500 Euros=£340, and 600 Euros=£400, which isn't bad. ;)

[Viper]

I'm pissed off that if Sony wanted to do dual SKU's both of which contain far more than I desire and cost more than my pocket is willign to give out, why then didn't they offer a bare minimum stripped down gamer only SKU for cheap?

I just want console, controller and game. I don't even need a HDD (well, perhaps a very tiny one for games that use it as virtual RAM). Not much choice to tell them not to include BR though.

Is there anything wrong with just wanting to play the damn games?

[cpiasminc]

I have a rant on nearly everything and so I can appreciate a diatribe aimed at the public (my number 1 annoyance). Looking forard to seeing it in the morn Cpiasminc.
http://psinext.e-mpire.com/index.php?categoryid=4&m_articles_articleid=550

Have fun.

[stanDarsh]

LMAO! Cpiasminc that was too good. TES hehe, J00 are teh brilliant!

[Viper]

Everyone read up. TES is spreading so lets all do our part in curing it.

Me? I'm going to go fix my car. My power steering belt popped. As much as I like the new found power my 4 cyl puts out now not having to power my steering, parking has now become an exercise in...well it's just become an exercise.

[jaxmkii]

Everyone read up. TES is spreading so lets all do our part in curing it.
.

thank god someone said it

[Zer0-Sum]

http://psinext.e-mpire.com/index.php?categoryid=4&m_articles_articleid=550

Have fun.

A well written article. It is very funny, but to the point. TES is a good name for the condition. But what can any of us that don't suffer from it do? I see no solution that I can imagine. Oh well.

[Loc]

I'm pissed off that if Sony wanted to do dual SKU's both of which contain far more than I desire and cost more than my pocket is willign to give out, why then didn't they offer a bare minimum stripped down gamer only SKU for cheap?

I just want console, controller and game. I don't even need a HDD (well, perhaps a very tiny one for games that use it as virtual RAM). Not much choice to tell them not to include BR though.

Is there anything wrong with just wanting to play the damn games?
I'm pissed off that the cheaper SKU doesn't have a built-in HDMI nor a memory stick slot. DAMMIT!@!!!! HDMI ON ALL SKUS!!!

[Red_Eyes]

If you are too poor to afford the expensive version, then you're too poor to afford an HDTV, so why would you need the HDMI on the cheaper version? You have no use for it.

[cpiasminc]

But what can any of us that don't suffer from it do? I see no solution that I can imagine.
For serious cases, I would not completely frown on euthanasia. It sounds cruel, but it is more cruel not to. Allowing further degeneration will only cause the victim to live without dignity and further irritate those of us who don't have TES.

[Smokey]

lol im gettin a great laugh from this thread :) heh hehe

[MooYada]

Meh, Playstation 3 will be Sony worst console, business wise and design wise. First off the price, although i myself will probably get the 60gb version, 600 will put alot of people off, and the dumb-down 20gb will not be very attractive, considering the difference in performance ps3 and x360 is very very small (games looks almost similar) and the blue ray and wifi does not justify the price at all.

Lack of wifi in the 20gb version, eliminates the abillity to use wireless controllers, even the shoddy core x360 pack offers the use of wireless controller.

Another thing of concern for sony, is that it is losing huge exclusives such as GTA, Resident Evil, UT to microsoft which will certainly be multi-million sellers.

Gamers will probably go for the xbox as if offers the same popular games and is much cheaper.

The only thing that will be going for it is that it looks great, and because its a playstation ... other than that, its just an overpriced gamemachihne.

Sony is not going to win this gen at all, if they don't get off their high-horse and start getting realistic. You just handed wii the throne of next gen.

[Smokey]

Lack of wifi in the 20gb version, eliminates the abillity to use wireless controllers, even the shoddy core x360 pack offers the use of wireless controller.
people UNDERSTAND the ps3 uses BLUETOOTH for their controllers, not WIFI the xbox uses wifi!!!
Another thing of concern for sony, is that it is losing huge exclusives such as GTA, Resident Evil, UT to microsoft which will certainly be multi-million sellers.

and we havnt lost gta its just going to both!!

[cpiasminc]

people UNDERSTAND the ps3 uses BLUETOOTH for their controllers, not WIFI the xbox uses wifi!!!
360 doesn't use WiFi for wireless controllers, either. It's ordinary RF transmissions in a standard microwave band. WiFi is strictly for networking.

[Smokey]

360 doesn't use WiFi for wireless controllers, either. It's ordinary RF transmissions in a standard microwave band. WiFi is strictly for networking.
ok i stand corrected, thanks mate :)

[nwo504]

Alot of people are bitching about features the have no clue about.

[Smokey]

yeah I stuffed up the wifi thing myself lol, just wanted to say it uses bluetooth :)

[julps31]

Meh, Playstation 3 will be Sony worst console, business wise and design wise. First off the price, although i myself will probably get the 60gb version, 600 will put alot of people off, and the dumb-down 20gb will not be very attractive, considering the difference in performance ps3 and x360 is very very small (games looks almost similar) and the blue ray and wifi does not justify the price at all.

Lack of wifi in the 20gb version, eliminates the abillity to use wireless controllers, even the shoddy core x360 pack offers the use of wireless controller.

Another thing of concern for sony, is that it is losing huge exclusives such as GTA, Resident Evil, UT to microsoft which will certainly be multi-million sellers.

Gamers will probably go for the xbox as if offers the same popular games and is much cheaper.

The only thing that will be going for it is that it looks great, and because its a playstation ... other than that, its just an overpriced gamemachihne.

Sony is not going to win this gen at all, if they don't get off their high-horse and start getting realistic. You just handed wii the throne of next gen.Ummm...did you cover eyes during E3? lol. Maybe down the line they'll look more similar but right now i'm seeing an obvious gap in terms of graphics between the two systems. And the 360 offers the same popular games? Riiight. So apparently Heavanly Sword, Resistance, Lair, The getaway, Motor Storm never happened lol.

And Resident Evil and Unreal is exclusive to the 360? Is this true or am i misunderstanding him?

[xbdestroya]

Meh, Playstation 3 will be Sony worst console, business wise and design wise. First off the price, although i myself will probably get the 60gb version, 600 will put alot of people off, and the dumb-down 20gb will not be very attractive, considering the difference in performance ps3 and x360 is very very small (games looks almost similar) and the blue ray and wifi does not justify the price at all.

Lack of wifi in the 20gb version, eliminates the abillity to use wireless controllers, even the shoddy core x360 pack offers the use of wireless controller.

Another thing of concern for sony, is that it is losing huge exclusives such as GTA, Resident Evil, UT to microsoft which will certainly be multi-million sellers.

Gamers will probably go for the xbox as if offers the same popular games and is much cheaper.

The only thing that will be going for it is that it looks great, and because its a playstation ... other than that, its just an overpriced gamemachihne.

Sony is not going to win this gen at all, if they don't get off their high-horse and start getting realistic. You just handed wii the throne of next gen.

A couple of points, just on the value proposition of the PS3 and Sony's thinking in general:

You have to realize that the 'value' PS3 offers everything the 'premium' 360 does and more... in the way of gigabit ethernet, Blu-ray playback, and native hard drive support for games. Certainly some might dub those features superfluous, but the features themselves do justify the price increase, whether they are features you desire or not. And not to say that I think the 'luxury' PS3 at $100 more is any bargain either, but when Microsoft is charging $100 for a WiFi module, having HDMI, a card reader, WiFi, and 40GB more hard drive thrown in for that price... I mean it's a high price, but within a certain context it's easily justifiable.

[Phryne Astynome]

Jesus. People keep whining and whining about the graphics. Do you people even know what a shitty life a developer has? They work investment banking analyst hours for 1/3 of the pay. Basically 40,000 dollars for 80-100 hour weeks. Their job security is also just as bad as the analyst. They are essentially slaves.

This focus on the hardcore is going to kill the industry. You people have to understand that a lot of companies do not have the budget to push the systems as hard as they used to. Let the graphics be and start worrying more about the gameplay (which doesn't seem to be changing much). To be honest, I personally don't think the graphics near the end of this gen are going to be much different from the start of this gen. Crysis, Gears of War, MGS4, and FF13 did not really look much above everything as people claimed it to be IMO.

[MooYada]

A couple of points, just on the value proposition of the PS3 and Sony's thinking in general:

You have to realize that the 'value' PS3 offers everything the 'premium' 360 does and more... in the way of gigabit ethernet, Blu-ray playback, and native hard drive support for games. Certainly some might dub those features superfluous, but the features themselves do justify the price increase, whether they are features you desire or not. And not to say that I think the 'luxury' PS3 at $100 more is any bargain either, but when Microsoft is charging $100 for a WiFi module, having HDMI, a card reader, WiFi, and 40GB more hard drive thrown in for that price... I mean it's a high price, but within a certain context it's easily justifiable.

Point taken, and i definately agree. You get the haters, that like having a go at Sony for its high price, but when you consider that if you were to purchase an xbox360 and its add-on HD-DVD you woul looking at paying in the 600+ US dollar vicinity.

However, i am kind of annoyed at where the industry is heading, splitting the userbase, where you get premium users and your basic users (imo, Sony is not as bad as MS where they left the HD out completely in the basic pakage), what happen to the good old days where u have 1 price, 1 machine and every one could enjoy it.

Anyways just disappointed that after all this delay, time and secrecy, one would expect Sony to have produced an amazing console that would have blown us away... oh well.. maybe playstation 4...

[Infernal]

Im pissed off that threads like this are taking up valuable screen space!!! :mad:

[makeitlookreal]

I am complaining that we don't have a thread that is to be used exclusively for 720P and higher HD trailers/clips of games.

[Junox50]

and I am complaining, because you guys are complaining, in a thread that involves complaining that needs to be complained about.

[Coded-Dude]

what a lovely day it is.......

[woundingchaney]

I uh dont have a whole lot to complain about I loved E3 for both Sony and MS.

There was some things I wished I could have seen but that doesnt bother me.



Anyways I guess Im pissed off about my Girlfriend going to a dildo party, yet she gets mad at me when I download porn.

Have u guys heard of this, apparently women get together and shop and display female sexual toys. Sure these things can be fun for me as well but they really give me a sense of inadequacy. LOL

[jaxmkii]

i want a PS3 i dont care about anyone else. If PS3 fails cause gamers everware are not willing to shell out extra 100usd every 5-6 years just so they can save the cash to buy more of the same old shit than screw gaming in a hole! I'll just go get a life

and before i hear just one "well why are you hear than?"

its cause i want to be educated about the system not listen to whiny teens and there economic situations.

im looking to make freinds with enthusist like myself not pesimist, and hope to form a stong social circle for PSN once the fun begins

[Khaos]

extra $100? if the Wii launches for $250 (the max, im betting), the PS3 will be DOUBLE that. you could get two wii's for the price of one PS3...

Sony has let me down.... I am the teen with the economic situation. I cannot afford the PS3. Therefore, Sony has lost me and probably all the teens with economic situations as customers.

Frankly, with Nintendo's new features, I was hoping Sony would also try to add something to the video game industry. Microsoft already released theirs; no "new thing"... But Sony has shown me that their strategy has not changed: Wait for Nintendo to do something, then assimilate it. Don't say that Sony may have already been planning this (and show me those damn patents; those have already been disproved for about a billion reasons) because then why did they wait so long to announce it? And jaxmkii, when you say "just so they can save the cash to buy more of the same old shit" what do you mean by same old shit? Same old as in no good new features (that arent gimmicks and werent badly copied)?! Because it sounds like you going to shit cash to buy the same old shit.

I liked my PS2 (all of them). Sony has lost me unless they can redeem theirselves with the PS4. The Wii is most likely going to win this gen's war. All because Sony is selling customers the same-old same-old for an outrageous price.

I entreat all of you to give me good reason to change my mind. I will not be the idiot that stubbornly sticks to his opinion in light of a good reason.

[masteratt]

extra $100? if the Wii launches for $250 (the max, im betting), the PS3 will be DOUBLE that. you could get two wii's for the price of one PS3...

Sony has let me down.... I am the teen with the economic situation. I cannot afford the PS3. Therefore, Sony has lost me and probably all the teens with economic situations as customers.

Frankly, with Nintendo's new features, I was hoping Sony would also try to add something to the video game industry. Microsoft already released theirs; no "new thing"... But Sony has shown me that their strategy has not changed: Wait for Nintendo to do something, then assimilate it. Don't say that Sony may have already been planning this (and show me those damn patents; those have already been disproved for about a billion reasons) because then why did they wait so long to announce it? And jaxmkii, when you say "just so they can save the cash to buy more of the same old shit" what do you mean by same old shit? Same old as in no good new features (that arent gimmicks and werent badly copied)?! Because it sounds like you going to shit cash to buy the same old shit.

I liked my PS2 (all of them). Sony has lost me unless they can redeem theirselves with the PS4. The Wii is most likely going to win this gen's war. All because Sony is selling customers the same-old same-old for an outrageous price.

I entreat all of you to give me good reason to change my mind. I will not be the idiot that stubbornly sticks to his opinion in light of a good reason.

Valid points but they can all be countered pretty easily and logically. Most rest on opinion though so that's something I cannot change.

1) You rightly claim you can buy two Wii's for a price of PS3. WEll, okay--This one is kind of stupid because PS3 is not a Wii is it? When you buy a larger pizza with more toppings, do you complain that it's more expensive than a smaller plain pizza?

2) If you can't afford it, don't buy it. It's not rocket science. Since day one Sony has emphasized that PS3 will be more than a console and that it will be expensive. Note the difference: The price is expensive but not outrageous. It's def worth more than we are paying for it. It's a shame if you don't want these features but to be honest, they will come into use during the PS3s lifespan at one point or another. PS3 is an investment, not just a "thing" you pick up. It's bigger than that.

3) The reason they are releasing the "new" controller now is that (Again, your choice to believe him or not) Phil Harrison said it is only now that it's affordable for Sony to manufacter and send out 100 millions of these controllers with the new technology. He also said this technology has been looked into for a while and called it a coincidance that two companies (Nintendo & Sony) decided to use it at the same time. The boomerang was just one of the many designs and was never intended to be used with the PS3.

4) I'm not sure what you mean when you say "Gimmick and badly copied". Blu-ray a gimmick? The format that can hold more data and can read it faster in better quality- Sounds useful to me.
DualShock 3- This is the controller used when you want to define gaming. Many gamers call it 'perfection' and when combined with the 'sensors'; you get best of both worlds.
RSX + The Cell- Two very powerful products combined. Although doesn't show yet wait until developers learn to use the two together effectively. These are not just pure graphical power either; they can create a big, living world where everything can be crafted to perfection from physics to AI etc.

Say what-ever you want but "Same old shit" is the bottom of the list when defining PS3.

[cliffbo]

they say that MS don't steal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:

http://www.gametab.com/news/571736/

How the Xbox 360 camera might be used
Written by: Spencer Yip

Only by exploring the boonies of the Staples Center we found GestureTek. They previously worked on Sony’s EyeToy and now they created a head lock on program for the Xbox 360’s camera. The early demonstration showed how the camera can lock on to a person’s face and follow their movements. GestureTek also mentioned Halo 3 in their presentation. They hinted to the fact that the camera could be used in a way that when players physically turn their heads, the in-game camera will turn respectively. Check below for a video of the camera’s functionality.

[Khaos]

masteratt, thanks for your points. My reference to the Wii's price was because of jaxmkii saying only $100 dollars more, which I assume to be for the Xbox 360.

I do not think blu-ray a gimmick; in fact, I think it a very good technology which will probably beat out HDDVD. I am referring to the sensoring of the controller. In American English, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries. However, the special feature is typically thought to be of little relevance or use. Thus, a gimmick is a special feature for the sake of having a special feature. In marketing, product gimmicks are sometimes considered mere novelties, and not really that relevant to the product's functioning, sometimes even earning negative connotations.
The controller sensoring does not seem useful to me and meets this definition, imho. I cannot see this limited motion sensing actually becoming a primary control (as replacing the d pad or analog sticks for the main control), except maybe in a flight sim. It will probably be added to games just for the reason of adding it.

If you define new as more horsepower, then this is expected. We know that the new consoles will be stronger than the last gen. Let's face it, the gaming industry is becoming stale. As Reggie said this E3 (from my memory), "How many people do you know who have read books and watched a movie? Proably everyone. OK, now how many people do you know who have played video games? Many of you have family who haven't even played." He went on to say that our industry needs to be expanded, so that all can play video games like they read a book or watch a movie. Sony and Microsoft are not expanding our industry's reach; they are focusing on the same demographic. I knew Microsoft wouldn't try, and my inkling of Sony not either was correct. This technology is all great, but if it is the main selling point, then its all same-old same-old in my eyes.

[masteratt]

If you take a wide look at it like that, it is correct that MS and Sony expand on the same concept but I was just saying, as a gamer who likes to play games and not really care to be honest about where the industry is heading (as long as they are not bankrupt) I am pleased with the PS3 and the main selling point (OR USP to be technical) for a gamer with my thinking is, we get better gaming experience.
But yes, from a bigger prespective, you are right. I mis-interpreted your first post.

[cpiasminc]

they say that MS don't steal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:
Who says that? I guess they never stole DOS or the thing called a GUI, or attempted to patent double-clicking just because nobody had bothered to do so before.

[kaphwan]

The controller sensoring does not seem useful to me and meets this definition, imho. I cannot see this limited motion sensing actually becoming a primary control (as replacing the d pad or analog sticks for the main control). It will probably be added to games just for the reason of adding it.

You do realise, that the exact same thing could be said for the Wii controller?

Eyetoy, Guitar Hero, Singstar, etc. I take it these things only appeal to the same 18-30 male demographic?

I hate (and this is not calling out anybody in this thread, just something I've seen lately) Nintendo elitism. Any type of new technology doesn't seem to count unless Nintendo made it, in which case either Sony have stolen it or it is a reason why Nintendo will win this round of Console Wars.

None of the new, awesome games launching for ps3 seem to matter; since we're using the same controller we've used for over a decade (it hasn't been changed for a REASON), but with extra capabilities... somehow games will all be inherently less fun than the Wiimote.

This dynamic of Greater Graphics = Lesser Fun... I've seen ps fanboys fall back on this argument as a response to Halo. Let me be first to say Halo was a brilliant game. If it wasn't shipped with every Xbox, then there'd be no Xbox360 this time around because the first one would have been an utter failure.

Granted, you can have an immersive experience without photo-realistic graphics. I am one of many who have played the old 2D style RPGs, even text-based, and they are very fun/immersive. But try designing a game like Heavenly Sword using that antiquated technology. Hell, try and top Final Fantasy in sheer beauty with the current generation. It's not going to happen.

Granted, the Revmote is an innovation in itself. Changing the way a game is to be played is a risky venture that may well pay off. I understand that the old Gamecube controllers work with the Wii, but if one is to use the same controller, then it defeats the entire purpose of Wii that has been touted again and again.

[Applefiend]

On the subject of theft... This is the rant thread right. I get a rant!

Went to my local store, fished around the bargain bin, picked up a new game for my PS2, it's called... kill.switch by Namco.

Oh dear god Epic should be ashamed of themselves. Gears of War is kill.switch 2. Take kill.switch. Take those first gen PS2 graphics,really, replace them with Unreal 3.0 graphics. Add fancy grenade throwing, add a chainsaw, add a little mini game to reload like God of Wars mini games,rearrange the controls, what do you get?

Gears of War. It's shocking. This is the problem I have with XBox in general, this is why I couldn't care less about XBox CPU or Xenos or EDRAM or any of that stuff XBox fans prattle on about, and Gears isn't even the best example of this. Me tooism, copy catism, complete unoriginality, genericness. PS2 has GT3? Let's copy that. Some game everybody has on PC, gotta port that. The next EA sports game, we need that. That's 95% of the Xbox line up.

And let's look at exhibit B that plopped through my mail box this morning. I give you 360 magazine.. Issue 3... My broadband is awful so demos on magazines are great for me. What a bloody rip off.

I have early issues of the offical PS2 disk, they're great. Let's see what we have on this months issue.

2... only two demos, Fifa 06 and NBA Live 06. Pop in the disk, the NBA Live demo is missing! What about the video? One video of Full Auto. 15 nz dollars, one demo, one video. **** you very much.

It was the same with the official xbox magazine. Every month this apalling disk would plop on my mat, full of third rate racers, brain damaged shooters, just shovelware. I don't really trust reviews, I think they go for games that are "worthy" rather than fun games, I like to play demos myself.

What else arrived in my mailbox, official ps2 magazine. 9 demos, rogue galaxy video. I'll be playing this demo disk for hours. Fantastic. And imagine what the Blu Ray demo disks will be like.

Had a rant, feel better now. :D

[rog27]

PS3 is perfect Sony! Just add back the rumble in the controller and I will be a very happy camper.

[bigwig]

raaaar raaaaaaar ps3 price &*^%^&* 425 squid..dammit dammit arghhhhhhhhhh

okay got that out of my system, time to preorder

[masteratt]

The path forum is taking lately with many negative attitudes towards Sony.

And the need for this thread just backs up the way this forum is headed. You shouldn't have a place for cry babies in a forum. It just encourages it and spreads this kind of attitude around.

EDIT: crybabies...is the wrong term but too tired to change it into anything more decent.

[xbdestroya]

The path forum is taking lately with many negative attitudes towards Sony.

And the need for this thread just backs up the way this forum is headed. You shouldn't have a place for cry babies in a forum. It just encourages it and spreads this kind of attitude around.

EDIT: crybabies...is the wrong term but too tired to change it into anything more decent.


Listen, I'm not down with this forum becoming some sort of site for Sony zombies - that's not what it is. It's a Sony discussion site, and if Sony makes a mistake in some people's eyes, it's their right to voice that opinion. We're here to learn afterall, not just to pat each other on the back and reaffirm to each other how awesome Sony is. There are like a hundred other sites on the Internet that specialize in exactly that, and not surprisingly they foster a sort of low-level discourse that comes with that sort of philosophy.

Too much doom and gloom tossed in Sony's direction is obviously unwarranted, but saying that everything is peaches and roses and let's make sure and keep the tone here 'loyal' is just the opposite side of the same coin.

Just let it run it's course; people have had understandably strong reactions after E3 - and I think it's important those reactions be allowed - but it'll all be back to good times and 'positive' discussion soon enough.

[PhYmon]

I have to agree with u XB! u cant be like some fanboys from other company thats constantly hitting on Sony, which u know already of which Im talking about, they dont listen reasons.. and they always think that they are always right! (the point of this is, we have to hear everything, good or bad)

[Viano]

I'd say Nintendo is to expend the mainstream, Sony is to enhance the mainstream, and m... no offense but I don't know ' 3')...

[cliffbo]

i have a complaint about complaining... stop it now, I'm getting a karma deficiency.

[Infernal]

I have a complaint about that heavenly piece of @ss right there Cliff. Its just not fair!

[Black Dragon37]

I have a complaint about that heavenly piece of @ss right there Cliff. Its just not fair!ROFLMFAO!!!

[The_One]

WTF happened to rumble?

WTF happened to "no dual SKU"?

WTF happened to "I still stand by the fact that we can achieve everything we've shown in the trailer in real-time." - Heavenly Sword Dev. (The real-time gameplay footages didn't look anywhere near as good as the 1080p trailer).

Why the hell does Resistance look and, will most likely play, like crap?

Sorry, Sony has really let me down this E3, they better make it up at TGS, or it's bye bye PS3, hello Xbox 360.

[Z]

WTF happened to rumble?
it crumbled.
WTF happened to "no dual SKU"?
that is for splitting the money between me and you.
WTF happened to "I still stand by the fact that we can achieve everything we've shown in the trailer in real-time." - Heavenly Sword Dev. (The real-time gameplay footages didn't look anywhere near as good as the 1080p trailer).
maybe you ot one eye half-opened. Heavenly Sword is probably the onlyu game that looks exactly like the trailer they showed, right down to the last particle effect. it had the lighting, animation, fluidity, the works. seeing it played on stage was one of the most amazing things since MGS4 live demo at last years TGS.

Why the hell does Resistance look and, will most likely play, like crap?
it could sure look much better than that. maybe they wanted to show a playable build for E3. they have 6 moths to work on it.

Sorry, Sony has really let me down this E3, they better make it up at TGS, or it's bye bye PS3, hello Xbox 360.
by far, the most boring and let-down PS event since it all started a decade ago. its like they all forgot they had a show and had to rush things that morning.

[tien69]

Drop that stinking cheaper SKU, that way we can have more units and launch , and more cranking out.

[Applefiend]

Resistance looks great to me, try rubbing your eyes or something.

Obviously if there's a shortage of 60GB drives, card readers, HDMI chips and sockets, and wifi chips, having dual SKUs will INCREASE supplies, not decrease them.

They did say they were having trouble sourcing hard drives.

[cliffbo]

Stan i can see why you decided on this thread and it was an admirable attempt at dissipating the negativity that seems so prevalent at the moment on this forum, but i think perhaps once people have visited here, they find more fuel to spread throughout the rest of this forum. in hindsight i think you will agree, so perhaps it would be wise to let this thread slip. the casual browser may wonder into this forum from time to time and, because this is at the top of the page, seize the opportunity to flame - but not necessarily in this thread. :)

[Xerxes]

How long will it take for the PS3 price (Premium) to drop to 499.99?

[woundingchaney]

How long will it take for the PS3 price (Premium) to drop to 499.99?
That is a factor that depends on many things such as the succces of BR, the sales of PS3's, Sony's ability to manufacture them and meet potential demand, the ability to transfer to less expensive production tech, and how long Sony is willing to lose X amount in the sell of each console.


All in all I dont know if anyone could give you an accurate estimate.

[masteratt]

Sony has been in a financial trouble for the the past 5 years or so and their biggest income is from gaming so I'm sure they'll try to keep it on max price as much as possible since as you can read from various news and such, they are very confident that it will sell.

In a completely opposite outlook; they are so desperate for money that they made the PS3 half-assed, put the price high and hope that the PS brand will sell loads to put Sony on a decent profit/loss balance. Of course that is the most unlikely thing to ever happen as it will damage Sony further.

In conclusion- I'll say at least 1 1/2 years.

[Infernal]

How long will it take for the PS3 price (Premium) to drop to 499.99?
If I had to guess I would say early 2008. PS3 is pretty much guarenteed to sell out until about summer of next year, and around then they will move to the 65nm process and start to break even money wise on the consoles they sell. Once sales start to slow it will be christmas 2007 and it will surely sell out then too. So I figure they will drop it in 2008 once the console is cheaper to make and demand is lower. A complete guess though and no one knows for sure.

[Xerxes]

More than a year is too long for me so I guess Ill have to buy the 599.99 unit.
Also, the PSP's price still has not gone down; it is still 249.99 after more than year. So the best estimate is to see when the PSP price drops. That is probraly in two years or so.

[Infernal]

Well PSP's price is 199$ around here... 249$ for the value pack with a case and a 32MB memory card (huge ripoff).

[Xerxes]

Yes the same price that it has been for some time. I foolishly bought the value pack and now I am stuck with only a 32 MB stick and a bunch of useless BS. Well at least I have that Spiderman 2 UMD that I lost.

[The_One]

maybe you ot one eye half-opened. Heavenly Sword is probably the onlyu game that looks exactly like the trailer they showed, right down to the last particle effect. it had the lighting, animation, fluidity, the works. seeing it played on stage was one of the most amazing things since MGS4 live demo at last years TGS.
Look at this "target render" from last year:
http://www.ninjatheory.com/blinkblink/images/stories/hsscreens/hs_e3-2005_01.jpg

Now go look at close up of Nariko in any HD in-game footages (I have a 720p feed of HS gameplay myself, I know her face looks no where near that quality).

I still stand by the fact that this year's playable demo looked nothing like last year's target render.

[woundingchaney]

I dont think it reached the target demo either but none the less the game is beautiful and of all the target demos compared to game footage we have seen HS has come respectible close.

[F089/H]

I mad because I can never time find to get on the forums and get mad....

what? a $600 PS3? GTFO! Seriously?WTFFFFFFFFFFFF!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Only thing I'm absolutely not happy about at all, in any way, is the price point, however justified it may or may not be. Nothing else really has me in a bad mood, most is all good.

[yoshaw]

Yes Yesssssssss I found a link that lets me see the PS3 main page and let me create a new thread. Yessssssssss! But I'd still like to approach it like normal. Not everytime clicking on my bookmarks to see the mainpage. Guess gotta live with it until admins do something bout it.

[LinpinWangyFoot]

why would i want to upset myself by trawling through this gluttony of moans, when i can enjoy thinking of all those possibilities ahead of us.

[stanDarsh]

The whole point was to limit the complains to one thread rather than to have them poluting all the other threads, therefor it serves its purpose.

[Skiie]

I should of replied here, huh?
Look at the PSX "The next generation of PS2" and look what happened to it. The same thing will happen to PS3. Just a high priced piece of junk with a Blu-Ray, whatever the heck that is.
The Wii has innovation like the DS and the PS3 has enormous power like the PSP. Look what happened. Girls bought the DS more than the PSP, which has a 98% male uberbase. I will be happy when I buy the Wii because it is far superior than PS3.

[Infernal]

I should of replied here, huh?
Look at the PSX "The next generation of PS2" and look what happened to it. The same thing will happen to PS3. Just a high priced piece of junk with a Blu-Ray, whatever the heck that is.
The Wii has innovation like the DS and the PS3 has enormous power like the PSP. Look what happened. Girls bought the DS more than the PSP, which has a 98% male uberbase. I will be happy when I buy the Wii because it is far superior than PS3.
Not the brightest bulb in the bunch are you? The PSX failed because it offered nothing new. It still had the same games but just advanced multimedia features. While the PS3 offers a new gaming experience that no other system can offer. The Wii simply cant match the 1080p resolution, 7.1 surround sound, and insanely advanced physics that the PS3 offers and cant immerse you in an alternate game world. These arent handhelds and shouldnt be compared to the DS vs PSP debate although both systems are selling almost equally well with the DS barely ahead in sales. You go ahead and be happy when you buy a Wii, but if your not buying a PS3 I suggest not posting in this section of the forums because that is the purpose of the "PS3" section after all.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Banned... Thank god.

[jaxmkii]

why would i want to upset myself by trawling through this gluttony of moans, when i can enjoy thinking of all those possibilities ahead of us. brovo!!!

thats why we created this "quarentine" keeps all the suck in one place

[makeitlookreal]

Can I cuss people out on this forum? Can I accuse people of having sexual relations with thier mother? I hope not! I really hope not! But today someone cussed out someone else and nothing at all was done. The person that was cussed out created a thread that accused Viper of being a fanboy. It was a stupid and dumb thread. The person was banned. Regardless that I think banning might have been a little too strong of a punishment the person who cussed at the person who started the thread did not even recieve a slap on the wrist by the moderators.

Apparently, it is ok to cuss on this board and to attack other users. Now, if they need to be banned they need to be banned (not that I think this person today deserved banning), but that is something for moderators to decide and it should not allow anyone to swear at another user!

It is now obvious to me that these boards are basically out of control. There are no logical and rational rules. Some things can get you banned, but other things such as swearing at someone has no punishment at all.

I don't want anyone to be banned other than myself (because I am fed up with these forums), but think these boards are downright pathetic.

There are a lot of good people on these boards and a lot of good moderators. But there is a problem when someone can accuse someoen else of having sexual relations with their mother and nothing occurs.

This is a serious, serious problem.

[makeitlookreal]

Also, here is a response to a comment made in another thread.

I do not want to cuss anyone out. There is absolutely no one on this board that I am so angry at right now that I want to cuss them out.

The truth of the matter is I am not really angry at anyone! That's right! Even the person that cussed someone else!

I am upset about the PRINCIPLE of the matter that it seems TRIVIAL things can get a moderator response but that CUSSING someone out and accusing them of having sex with their mother gets no response at all.

You see, I don't want anyone banned from these forums other than myself. I am actually not upset at anyone. I want to be friends with all of you. But I think these boards are out of control in that there are no real rules that make any sense.

For goodness sakes, no moderator has even answered my question if profane langrage is even allowed on these forums or not! No one has even answered my question if attacking other members with the use of profanity is allowed or not!

It seems they are no rules at all!

[Viper]

MILR, I'll answer.

Cussing is allowed to a light degree however none are allowed in thread titles.

I myself did not read any direct swearing attacks at that member. Please post a link to the attack.

Not every single infraction is noticed by the admin/mod team.

The member that I banned is a type of troll that will continue to do exactly as he did until banned.

The member that cussed did so only that one time. I find continual infractions with the sole intent just to break rules to be far worse than a single colorful emotional outburst.

The mods/admins that uphold the rules are subject to interpretation and punishments are carried out in a manner that is best fitting intheir opinion. Very similar to how the US legal system works only much more expedient.

[BigfootGus]

The long arm of the law.

[Junox50]

I'm mad because.....I want to be

[overclocked]

MILR, I'll answer.

Cussing is allowed to a light degree however none are allowed in thread titles.

I myself did not read any direct swearing attacks at that member. Please post a link to the attack.

Not every single infraction is noticed by the admin/mod team.

The member that I banned is a type of troll that will continue to do exactly as he did until banned.

The member that cussed did so only that one time. I find continual infractions with the sole intent just to break rules to be far worse than a single colorful emotional outburst.

The mods/admins that uphold the rules are subject to interpretation and punishments are carried out in a manner that is best fitting intheir opinion. Very similar to how the US legal system works only much more expedient.


I like how things are handled out by you guys, none can be perfect but
i think you still do a good job.

[section]

I'm mad because of all the people lately running around talking smack about anything Sony. Sony is the satan for them, I'm OK with it but I don't want to read about their hatred on every friggin thread.

Every...friggin...thread.

It maybe helps their heads understand it better how evil Sony is and how they have ruined the gaming world. How they will bomb and the industry would be better off without them and developers would earn more money developing for other platforms and so on. But while the agenda pushers are lying to themselves and making themselves feel good about what they write, at the same time it makes very, very tiresome and dull reading.

Even better, they call other writers trolls. And that's where my tolerance ends.

[masteratt]

yeah dude, it's getting to me too.

i think Mods need to get their whips out and spray some discipline around with some good old Banning! :whip:

If xbox 360 fanboys or "microsoft zombies" posted all their trolling in this thread- we will be on page 5000 by now.

[Black Dragon37]

I fear the PSINext forums are getting out of control. I'm not only hearing more trolling, but I'm hearing more fanboyism from both Microsoft's and Sony's front. That's worrying - it never used to be like this. :(

[xbdestroya]

I'm with you BlackDragon, the fanboyism must be addressed, but it has to be addressed all around as well.

[masteratt]

For some unknown reason (probably coming from greater forces), everyone is saying it's been an Odd Weekend.....No idea why that is but there are always those days where everyone feels "blah" at the same time.

So I think that's what we have here. Everyone was a bit off lately, mainly me but I feel I'll (we'll) be back to normal very soon.

[xbdestroya]

I think so too. Things have been 'off' lately, but the types of threads going up recently seem to be more the kind of thing we're used to rather than the E3-skewed threads of the last couple of weeks.

[Viper]

E3 brings out the inner fanboy in all of us but E3 in a console launch year exponentially enhances that effect.

[Smokey]

E3 brings out the inner fanboy in all of us but E3 in a console launch year exponentially enhances that effect.
yeah ima surprised too, not saying im not a fanboy :)

[LinpinWangyFoot]

i'm going to complain about not enough complaining. i don't like the buttons or the colour, i don't like the shape or the feel. all i want is a heap of crap that looks good.

[BigfootGus]

I'm going to complain that I can't decide whether or not I like this avatar.

[Coded-Dude]

the sig is cool, the avy is lame

[Smokey]

the sig is cool, the avy is lame
i agree suxs biggie :evillaugh :)

[masteratt]

after a week of feeeling weird and having a stupid sleeping pattern, i am finally back to 'normal'!
PRAISE THE LORD!

btw, we shud have the opposite of this thread (something like "post here when/why you feel good!") it would be nice for people to brag about how good they feel. Good for the morale and the atmosphere. will balance it out w/ this thread.

[LiquidEagle]

That's a stupid idea. You need to be grumpy all the time. Duh.

:-p

There's my vent...for now ;)

[Infernal]

Yah... So when is everyone gonna quit their bitching so this thread can be gone and we can move on!

[masteratt]

This thrad is made for bitching so you CAN bitch and move on.
you don't have to read it.

[Infernal]

But its stuck there at the top!

Actually it just moved...

[Viper]

But its stuck there at the top!

Actually it just moved...
:cheers:

[masteratt]

Damn, obviously deleted my post :(

Hahaha.