Peter Moore's pearl of wisdom on PS3

[pari]

Its unbecoming of MSFT, oh well they were never ethical all they know is only trash talking their competitor since they do not have any good to say about their product...

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=139629


Peter Moore, Xbox 360's head honcho and huge tattoo fan, has slammed Sony's PS3 price point by claiming that it has been forced on gamers thanks to the PS3's in-built hi-def DVD drive.

Speaking exclusively to CVG at E3 today, Moore also claimed that there isn't enough of a difference between the quality of Xbox 360 and PS3 games to warrant Sony's far higher price point: 499 Euro (around 340) for the 20GB model and 599 Euro (around 410) for the 60GB model compared to Xbox 360's 210 for the Core Pack and 280 for the Premium Pack.

"Xbox 360 isn't forcing hi-def DVD playback on you, and telling you that it's going to cost you an extra $200-$300 dollars," he said, referring to the in-built Blu-ray drive that will come installed in every PS3 when it launches worldwide in November. The Xbox 360's external hi def DVD drive - which will use the competing HD-DVD format - will be released this Christmas. No price point has been announced.

Wow nice spin on 360 not having a next gen dvd... wonderful spin

PS1 & SATURN - CDROM
PS2 DVD
PS3 Blu-ray, Gamers have benefitted with the increased storage capacity. By Moore's Logic, DVD was forced onto the consumer in PS2... and I guess all the games were unhappy with that. Hello!!!! Moore which world are you living in... I feel more of sour grape feeling from MS, not matter how MS spins online-model. Having it in the disc is much better for gaming, as the download speed is what about 1MB/sec(if I pay big $$$). So no instantaneous access of data from on-line....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060511/tc_nm/expo_microsoft_dc_1


"Tell me why you would buy a $600 PS3?" Peter Moore, a Microsoft vice president, said in an interview. "People are going to buy two (machines.) They're going to buy an Xbox and they're going to buy a Wii ... for the price of one PS3."

Well, I am buying $600 PS3 because I want to and it has Blu-Ray, CELL... And I would definitely buy Wii also, but 360 not sure...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

honestly, is this even necessary to post? I mean, we know what representatives from xbox are gonna say one way or another. Only a fool concedes defeat in front of an audience.

[VG Aficionado]

He could have said that in exchange of the extra expense, games can benefit from Blu-ray's greater storage capacity: HD video cutscenes, more featurettes (HD making of, HD trailers, etc), more game content, possibility to include old PS2 games as extras in new franchise releases...

But of course, he had to say only bad things about it.

"Why would you buy a $600 PS3?"Because I'd be willing to spend up to $1000 on a console with games I like than any smaller amount on a 360.

[Coded-Dude]

:emo: <-- This is me worried about what the "competition" has to say about the PS3.

[masteratt]

Yup. Definitely more stuff they can say this time around but the fact remains that PS3 is the best console created this gen both technically and in a way that it makes you experience new things, better things.
Almost like: Xbox 360 + Wii = PS3.
Moore pissed me off with his comment on "Why would you buy a $600 PS3?" Hey dipshit, if you ACTUALLY IMPROVE YOUR CONSOLE, it ought to cost more than whatever Xbox 360 was released for (don't know it in Dollar currency)

[nwo504]

360=$400
Wii=$249
1 360 game = 59
1 wii game = 49
xbox live = 59


add that up because i can't seem to get it right

[woundingchaney]

Its comments regarding a competitor the thing is if he said that the PS3 would be a good system for the money this post would still be on the board with us criticizing it.

[Coded-Dude]

nah, I jsut really don't care what the competition has to say about the competiton.
Sure I poked fun at MS when Sony said xbox 1.5, but I really didnt' care, and it didn't change my opinion either way. Bottom line, if you have a GOOD QUALITY product there is no need to bash, but in the corporate world, it sometimes seems a little forced....(like hey, our consumers expect us to talk shit so lets do it) absurd.

[masteratt]

As long as they are not being hypocrits, it is always funny. Not a Sony fanboy, I got pissed off when they dissed 2 SKU release of X360 and then they go and do it. Tsk tsk.
Although, Xbox 1.5...haha, classic.

[Viper]

360=$400
Wii=$249
1 360 game = 59
1 wii game = 49
xbox live = 59


add that up because i can't seem to get it right
$249? Where did they announce that? Most analysts and developers, like Sega (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=56340) expect $199. Also, why did you add games to that? You don't get two free games with your PS3.

By all indications and in terms of cost, his quote is correct, you can buy both consoles at PS3 cost. That doesn't make it correct in terms of feature set so it doesn't matter anyway. PS3 does more out of the box.

[pari]

Sony is not saint either, they have trash talked about xbox. What irked me was Moore's comment that SONY is forcing the user on next gen playback, what kind of idiotic comment is that. Between DVD & Blu-ray the storage capacity has increased to ~5X isnt that good for the users? Is using higher capacity disk drive forcing users?
On optical storage capacity for the games, xbox is 1.5 because the increase is only ~1.5x (~6GB to ~9GB).

[Viper]

Pari, they actually dropped storage space.

They had 9 GB for Xbox but only 8.5 GB are avaiable for X360 games.

[nwo504]

$249? Where did they announce that? Most analysts and developers, like Sega (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=56340) expect $199. Also, why did you add games to that? You don't get two free games with your PS3.

By all indications and in terms of cost, his quote is correct, you can buy both consoles at PS3 cost. That doesn't make it correct in terms of feature set so it doesn't matter anyway. PS3 does more out of the box.


Egm claims $249 and they (nintendo) said it will be alittle more than the usual launch price($199).

psp costs $249 and it sold plenty considering ds was $100 and had better games.

[Viper]

I think if this past week has taught us anything it's never claim a launch price until it's official.

[Domination]

Its unbecoming of MSFT, oh well they were never ethical all they know is only trash talking their competitor since they do not have any good to say about their product...

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=139629



Wow nice spin on 360 not having a next gen dvd... wonderful spin

PS1 & SATURN - CDROM
PS2 DVD
PS3 Blu-ray, Gamers have benefitted with the increased storage capacity. By Moore's Logic, DVD was forced onto the consumer in PS2... and I guess all the games were unhappy with that. Hello!!!! Moore which world are you living in... I feel more of sour grape feeling from MS, not matter how MS spins online-model. Having it in the disc is much better for gaming, as the download speed is what about 1MB/sec(if I pay big $$$). So no instantaneous access of data from on-line....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060511/tc_nm/expo_microsoft_dc_1



Well, I am buying $600 PS3 because I want to and it has Blu-Ray, CELL... And I would definitely buy Wii also, but 360 not sure...

I can't really chew Moore for his opinion. I mean, he represents Microsoft and the Xbox. :shrug: There is no reason in the world why he should tout all the advantages his most dominate competitor has over what he is offering. I wouldn't do it neither if I were in his position. Right now, Sony is giving developers a lot of freedom, both from the HDD and a large storage disc. Couple that with more advance hardware, developer support and better development tools than before. On top of that, Sony has taken the wind out of just about every advantage they brought forward. Really, what do you think the chances of him saying what he had to say about them as competition were? :look:

Let's get real here, Microsoft didn't choose neither format because at the time they were launching no clear advantage was known from niether side. If it had been, you could betcha bottom that they, too, would have implemented one into the 360 and probably have you pay for the remote to use it as a DVD player just to save themselves money. Why does that sound so familiar all of a sudden? :look:

[Domination]

He could have said that in exchange of the extra expense, games can benefit from Blu-ray's greater storage capacity: HD video cutscenes, more featurettes (HD making of, HD trailers, etc), more game content, possibility to include old PS2 games as extras in new franchise releases...

But of course, he had to say only bad things about it.

"Why would you buy a $600 PS3?"
Because I'd be willing to spend up to $1000 on a console with games I like than any smaller amount on a 360.

Hmm... Now that I think of it, maybe that's their strategy. [pack as much into the console as possible and charge above normal rate to limit the chances of console B ending up as a second purchase]

[nwo504]

well sony said it would be expensive out of their own mouths. i don't see how anyone could have figured expensive to be $399

[Clixx]

Pari, they actually dropped storage space.

They had 9 GB for Xbox but only 8.5 GB are available for X360 games.

I hate to get into this again, but there are no 8.5 GB discs. That is
manufacturers' dirty trick to inflate capacity, they consider 1GB=1,000,000,000 bytes
when in reality 1GB=1,073,741,824 bytes which yields 7.91GB of actual capacity
on a standard dual-layer disc. And even that is not available for X360, since
MS in their infinite wisdom incorporated extra security measures sacrificing capacity further.
A few websites reported available capacity to be around 7GB

http://www.gamersreports.com/index.php?sid=3138
http://journal.mycom.co.jp/articles/2005/09/09/cedec1/

[Nameless]

Let's be realistic fellas, many of Moore's comments are fairly accurate... Honestly it's a no brainer and many wise consumers understand the fact that a large portion of the PS3 price point is the Blu-ray drive.

I made this statement prior to E3 and I deserve some rep, I stated it was vital for Sony to mention the gaming advantages of BD to convince consumers it's worth every penny. Sony has failed to prove BD increases game quality and will innovate gaming with more storage for gaming.

Consumers are angry with the price point because many feel it's a move to shove a new format down our throats and not advance gaming. Sony has a huge hill to climb if they plan to win the marketshare war in the next gen or simply drop prices... Peace

[Viper]

While accurate, my point being that they actually went backwards in capacity this round.

Technically that is correct.
Xbox - 7.9 GB
Xbox 360 - 7.0 GB

[Reality Bandit]

"Xbox 360 isn't forcing hi-def DVD playback on you, and telling you that it's going to cost you an extra $200-$300 dollars," he said, referring to the in-built Blu-ray drive that will come installed in every PS3 when it launches worldwide in November. The Xbox 360's external hi def DVD drive - which will use the competing HD-DVD format - will be released this Christmas. No price point has been announced.

Yes, they are not forcing it on us, but according to the-magicbox.com:
"Microsoft announced the HD-DVD peripherial for Xbox 360, tentatively named Xbox 360 Player, will be sold for US$199."
It will cost $200-$300.

So the price difference for about equal abilities really is very little, unless you never want to play any HD movies, and with the prices on HD TV's dropping and the increased production of them, I doubt that's a real never.

(over a year of lurking... go me!)

[Z]

Xbox 360 isn't forcing hi-def DVD playback on you, and telling you that it's going to cost you an extra $200-$300 dollars," he said, referring to the in-built Blu-ray drive that will come installed in every PS3
nobody is forcing anything on anybody. if PS3 is too much for you, either get something else or wait on it. simple.

also, I really hate it when journalists take cheap shots by asking things like that. you are at E3 with major announcements and surprises. ask relivant and constructive things. ask about Halo 3, new online features, shipping, game pricing, etc. what is the benifit with asking such a question that basically says: " bash that guy" ? I hate it when the gaming industry is treated like a juvinile trach dump.

[Rai]

Blur-Ray will make a difference in PS3 games compared to others next year, when more games that use it will come out.

[masteratt]

Call me crazy but I think Sony will be the first company to release a game that can be pointed to and said "Now, THAT'S something a DVD can't do!"
I was hoping GTA would have done that but what-ever.
I think Sony will definitely feed us the idea of Blu-Ray before launch. It is very stupid of them to leave consumers like this, where nearly none of them knows how great Blu-Ray actually is.

And hey, no-one says you need a HD-TV NOW! PS3 will be supported for 10+ years!
I don't think Sony has done anything wrong or stupid, every decision makes sense in my opinion. The only thing they have to do now is make sure people know how powerful PS3 actually is and at the moment, they aren't showing that.

[Coded-Dude]

Call me crazy but I think Sony will be the first company to release a game that can be pointed to and said "Now, THAT'S something a DVD can't do!"
Who else has a chance to do sucha thing? Sony is THE ONLY COMPANY that can do sucha thing.

[masteratt]

I meant actually develop/publish the game.

[Coded-Dude]

oh.....gotchya mate ;)

[Viper]

Um, not sure I understand what you mean. DVD-9 can do HD.

[Fats]

I think he may mean the freedom that devs will have over content and space etc...