Who is REALLY winning E3 2k6?

[Flaming_Gamer]

Looking back at the last week of gaming-nirvana got me thinking about some things, and one of them was the next-generation battle for supremacy of our enterainment lives. Going into E3 2oo6 this year as a Sony-fanboy I felt amazingly confident that Sony would sweep the show with their technological wonder: the PS3. Looking at internet forums, websites, and blogs of the weeks leading up to E3 and you will undoubtedly see that fans and professional analysists agreed, seeing quotes like, "Sony Will Take Lead With PlayStation 3, U.S. Game Chief Says ((http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=ab.j5_FlZCjI&refer=asia))," and "Analysts Predict PS3 Will Win Next Gen War (http://spong.com/article/9967/Analysts+Predict+PS3+Will+Win+Next+Gen+W)" only solidified my predictions, however it seems as the week has passed that many people have jumped off of the Sony bandwagon in search of Gr-wii-ner pastures.

Not only am I seeing more and more Wii information slapped all over IGN.com and Gamespot.com, but I'm also seeing it plastered in TIME (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1191861,00.html) magizine; where I think that we should be seeing more PS3 information, then again, I guess every dog deserves it's day. I have nothing against the Wii, in fact, I myself have too been attracted to it's charms, but the question remains why and how is the Wii stealing the PS3's supposed thunder?

Even in our very own forums, where PS3-fanboys are supposed to defend our console to the death (well kind of) I find tons of "RANT!" and "I can't belive this *($%&" threads, with more being put up everyday, what did Sony do so wrong I wonder? Was it the fact that the pre-E3 Conference was unimpressive? Did the games look that bad? Is the controller that much of a Wii-rip off? these are all things that could turn people against Sony, but are they?

Finally I look at new, up to date blogs and polls and I find that people are simply unhappy with Sony's showing, here are some polls, compiled by Zeep and nelposto showing that people really aren't too happy with Sony, and very pleased with Nintendo:


http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=519365&p=1
http://poll.pollhost.com/dmxhZGNvbGUJMTE0NTU5OTczMglGRkZGRkYJMDAwMDAwCUFyaW FsCU9yYW5nZQkw/
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2372
http://www.gamespot.com/ has a poll
http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1341
http://www.gamefaqs.com

Not only are the polls showing a disatisfaction, but articals like, PS3 & 360 Screens: “Impossible To Tell Apart” (http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/ps3-360-screens-impossible-to-tell-apart-) and Ubi exec slams PS3 (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=64536) show more "anger." So my question to you all is who is truly winning the next-gen war, is it the PS3 with it's technology, the Wii with it's revolutionary game play, or the 360 (which I didn't really touch on) with a great showing @ E3 with some absolutally amazing looking games like Halo 3, Gears of War, and Lost Planet coming down the pike? So who will it be in 2k6, The Giant, The Wii Little Guy, or the One that Began the next generation...you tell me... ;)

[frosty]

I really hate to rain on your parade guys, but I'm at E3 and I can tell you than the Wii is outright spanking the PS3 hands down in public opinion at E3 right now. You CANNOT get into the Ninty booth to play the thing without waiting for hours and hours, wheras the PS3 the wait really isn't too bad. Super Smash Bros. is cleaning house as the most anticipated game of E3, and although as a Sony fan this dissapoints me, I find it VERY difficult if not impossible for Sony to retain the top spot this generation. Nintendo really might pull this one off.

[Viper]

As for the convention, Nintendo took the honors but I think it had help from Sony themselves. By that I mean had Sony NOT revealed the price, the public perception would still be very strong.

Nintendo is usually known for shooting themselves in the foot. Well, somethings are better off not copied.

Seriously though, I think had they not statede the price, perception of the console and its games would be higher, much higher.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

with such a huge negative reaction, it's gonna have to come down sooner than later.

[OmniCloud]

Yeah..Nintendo is doing it's thing this time around...THe price point hurt Sony bad-and because its first gen PS3 games aren't better than 360's second gen. games-Nintendo is really the only company showing anything new! Next E3 may be different, but finally, a company other than Sony had the most impressive booth at the show...

[masteratt]

From all the information I have at the moment, I can sense the "fall" of Sony.
They didn't live up to their reputation and Nintendo was quick to fill the space as the most impressive.
I don't know if I subconsciencly don't care or what but I haven't heard anything interesting from the MS conference...And judging from the '0' votes it got, maybe it was as horrible as it sounds?
The biggest thing to come out of it was the GTA4 which is more than a year away and also is not an exclusive. The Halo 3 "trailer" was nothing but to say "look, it exists".
MS is really failing to impress me at the moment.
Sony is taking a slightly different approach but I feel once again that they have great features and just MGS4 alone makes me happy.
And all hats off to Nintendo. Only thing that dissapointed me was the graphics. Yeah, i know i know...not all about graphics but would have prefered them a bit better to be honest.

The fact that all three consoles are on a different timeline of their life does make me feel strange about E3. It's like I am traveling through time as I am traveling through news concerning the X360, PS3 or the Wii. This time there are bigger differences between the three and I feel the gamers are in for a treat.

[bigwig]

I dont really get why people are flipping over the rev, the control sounds fine enough, but the specs are poor...they should have gone with graphics and control, not just one....

[Zodiacboyscorp]

Handheld market:

PSP just kicked DS out of the water.

The games look amazing. Lots of Original content.

I'm sorry but:
MGS
Metal Slug Collection
GTA: The new Vice City game
Killzone
Guilty Gear
Tekken Dark Ressurection
Ratchet and Clark - After Jaxter being what Mario Sunshine should have been.
Silent Hill
Sonic Rivals - I love Sonic, however the developer scares me.

RPGS - w00t!
Final Fantasy Crisis
Valkier Profile
Dungeon Seige


Man I can keep going. I'm not even thinking about the DS anymore.

With the recent wave of great games. Daxter and Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror. You know the PSP is finally coming to it's own and getting the respect it deserves. With it's current lineup, expect the PSP to kick way ahead of the DS this year in the US.

[Viper]

The DS lineup is just as compelling but aimed at a wider audience. I will say the PSP put up a much better show this year than last year. You literally had to go looking for the PSP section last year.

[jako]

I voted for wii from what I can feel from this year's E3, but I don't think I'll buy one, I'm sticking to the PS3.
I may buy a wii for my children though.

[Zodiacboyscorp]

Well Viper admits something positive for Sony. I'm impressed.

I forgot to mention my favorite part of the show the PSX emulator for PSP. The posibilities:
Grandia - I was to late to find the US copy
FFVII
Lunar
Xenogears
Castlevania: SOTN
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy Anthology
Suikoden Series - Even though 1 and 2 will be released on UMD with upgrades
Star Ocean: Second Story
Wild Arms Series
Legend of Mana

I'm going overboard...

[stanDarsh]

Why are you impressed? It's not like Viper dislikes playstation or anything, he just prefers Nintendo.

[Zodiacboyscorp]

He seems to dismiss Sony any chance he gets. So he comes off as being biased. It shocked and impressed me. You act like that is a bad thing.

[Viper]

Thank you, Stan. I'm being harsh on the truth. I do the same for N. Have you not read of my other posts the rest of the year?

[DofD]

Nintendo's Wii always seemed to me that it would be the big attractions at this years E3. People have the 360, people knew about the PS3 and what it could do, but there was next to nothing known about the Wii, other than it's controller. The Wii looks to be a great system, and as always has good games. It's just marketed to a different group than the 360 or PS3.

Sony would have been better off not releasing the PS3 price at E3, it would have left people with an overall better impression. But I can also see Sony's apparent logic with this. Just IMO, I think that Sony knew that the price would shock and piss people off so they wanted to get it announce to as many people in a short time as possible. Thus E3 was the perfect venue. IMO their reasoning behind this was that if they (Sony) announced the price early, then it gives more time for people to recover from the shock and to look and see what they are actually getting for their money by the time the PS3 is actually released.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I'm with DofD on the price.
Nintendo had a good show (apparently) because we didn't know anything at all last year, so everything the showed was a wealth of information. Well played on their part, and they've got a good system in their hands. I've been skeptical insofar as practical applications, but they've proven themselves and covered their bases.

[Viper]

I agree that they should have held the price back. TGS or near would have been better and as history goes is the more common time frame (a few months before launch) to announce the price. The overall perception would have been much more favorable had they not released that price.

[Z]

Sony has 6 months and at least 3 major conventions to make up.

but let's be honest, FF13, MGS4, 8 Days, Heavy Rain, War Devil, Afrika, Getaway and others do all the talking. the PS3 in itself is still that hot pieces of action soaked in gas and lit up. the problem comes with the price and two model moves (with the 'less' model having Wi-Fi removed).

that is pritty much it. as for me, one thing really ruined it for me: Tekken...

*goes back to look at rhe FF13 and MGS4 trailers to remove the bad taste*

PS. Viper, have you seen those two trailers?

[Fats]

I would say that Nintendo came out best, that opening was fantastic and really exciting, having said that it lost its momentum pretty much after that. I believe that Microsoft had a pretty good conference, Halo 3, GTA4 etc... So yeah, Sony did pretty bad for a number of pretty obvious reasons.

I voted Nintendo.

[Viper]

OK, who voted MS? Was that a pity vote, honestly? :angel:

[Fats]

lmao, I found that odd as well. :)

[woundingchaney]

OK, who voted MS? Was that a pity vote, honestly? :angel:
I voted MS, they have shown footage equal (and arguably better) to Sony at a 200 dollar price difference :hugegrin: .


Who did you guys think was going to win this poll at a Sony forums board (lol)

[Zodiacboyscorp]

Sony forum board but still a Nintendo dominated site.



Hey Viper: Sony had to announce the price or nobody would be able to afford the system at launch! LOL! True Story!

[woundingchaney]

It was a joke.

(the forum part)

[Dwhitten]

Handheld market:

PSP just kicked DS out of the water. Whoa whoa whoa now i'm going to be fair and honest here. PSP is has not knocked the DS out of the water. I have a PSP also and it's a great system, but DS has a great lineup of games coming out also.

PSP has a lot of catching up to do in the handheld market. I'm not saying they are stinking it up, but being practical with the product is something that they will definitely improve upon next handheld. For example the battery life issue is ridiculous, but the graphics on the system is amazing and is a great all around.

DS and PSP have great lineups coming soon. :)

[Fats]

That much is true Dwhitten, plenty of great titles coming out for both handhelds.

[Z]

Sony forum board but still a Nintendo dominated site.

we try to be objective and honest. :)

Hey Viper: Sony had to announce the price or nobody would be able to afford the system at launch! LOL! True Story!
someone said that to me as well as a joke. but when I thought about it, it really does make sense. think about it, people have 6 months to get over the pricing and reports cooling off a bit. imagine such a reality slap hit a month before PS3 launches. more people will immediately change their mind since there would be too cheaper systems at the moment.

I think releasing the price now makes it physcologically less 'negative' than releasing it just before launch. that and kids need to plan the smooth moves on parents, grannies and expoilt christmas to get it. lol
ah, yes. I remeber being a kid and devilishly talking older relatives into getting things they don't really want. I then get them shortly afterwords when they are tired of them. hey, a kid's gotta do what a kid's gotta do ;)

[Zeep]

Even on the Sony board, Wii is tied for first. :laugh:

[masonite]

^isn't objectivity a beautiful thing?

[Shadow Voa]

Even on the Sony board, Wii is tied for first. :laugh:

It WAS tied, I voted Wii since it is the truth that Nintendo stole the show this year. The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding is the countless photos and stories of lineups for the Wii being tremendously long. Hats off to you Nintendo, youve got everything it takes to be #1!!!

[jutsu]

hands down, Nintendo gave the best presentation...i think a lot of developers were really interested in the stuff you could do with it.

[cliffbo]

strange how a Sony forum makes the Wii the winner. this should be a biased vote surely.

[Infernal]

It WAS tied, I voted Wii since it is the truth that Nintendo stole the show this year. The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding is the countless photos and stories of lineups for the Wii being tremendously long. Hats off to you Nintendo, youve got everything it takes to be #1!!!
Yah but Nintendo kind of cheated handing out pudding and all. If Sony had done that they would have stolen the show.

[julps31]

This forum is sorry right now. Its a little to much for me right now. i'd hate to leave but...when your getting frustrated by what people are saying left and right..and everybodys being so negative...than i don't see a good reason for staying.

I hate to sound like a cry baby but these might be my final days on E-mpire.

[Infernal]

I gotta agree man these forums have really been going downhill lately. Everyone keeps bitching left and right and fanboys keep posting stuff that has nothing to do with where they post it just to piss people off. I feel like this is just becoming yet another forum on the internet.

[Fats]

As far as I took this poll, it was who performed the best this E3 and that's why I voted for Nintendo, they pretty much stole the show if you ask me.

[cliffbo]

Julps, Infernal!!!! so your going to let those prats do exactly what they set out to do! everybodies getting negative lately and it tends to be about realism in games... i wonder why we discuss this so much. its not always outsiders that bring this forum down. :)

[Fats]

Ah, a year, two years down the line we'll look back at this farce and giggle.

[pac4life]

There were a couple of PSP titles that ensured me to keep that system (MGS OP!!....yeah i was gonna sell it) EDIT: yeah, less ! marks...

any way, I was dissapointed with what new the DS showed. I wanted to see some new crazier games. Oh well, i cant really complain if im getting Mario Bros, Zelda, (I would have Final Fantasy and ASH, and maybe Contact, if i was into RPGS) Castlevania, Star Fox, Yoshi' Island, Lunar knights and others that may be promising all in one year in addition to a couple of sweet looking PSP games and Wii stuff.


I voted for Nintendo because the Wii stuff is just crazy, and in my opinion, they had the best software on the Console and Handheld side of things.

Something i would have NEVER said a year ago.

[cliffbo]

do not judge Sony's success by these forums or E3. the majority of people that buy PS consoles have no access to this continuous negitivity, they are just fans of Sony and fans of their chosen franchises. the PS3 has the best of three worlds. its master of power, its going to equal Live and its got a degree of Wii technology. Sony are sitting pretty. steady as she goes. let MS and Nintendo have their hour because you know as well as i do that Sony will have their day.

[julps31]

Julps, Infernal!!!! so your going to let those prats do exactly what they set out to do! everybodies getting negative lately and it tends to be about realism in games... i wonder why we discuss this so much. its not always outsiders that bring this forum down. :)Yea but the negativity is running rampant. When i see games at E3 that blow me away and then i hear somebody say (a psinext member mind you)...the games shown aren't any more impressive than the 360's 1st gen titles. And then somebody like Zeep comes in and makes me hang my head even lower. Sony games definantly aren't getting there due props and when i hear our members constantly saying how "unimpressive" the games and the compare it to a single 360 title like that one game compares to everything shown (i'm looking at wounding and hes not the only one).

[cliffbo]

Yea but the negativity is running rampant. When i see games at E3 that blow me away and then i hear somebody say (a psinext member mind you)...the games shown aren't any more impressive than the 360's 1st gen titles. And then somebody like Zeep comes in and makes me hang my head even lower. Sony games definantly aren't getting there due props and when i hear our members constantly saying how "unimpressive" the games and the compare it to a single 360 title like that one game compares to everything shown (i'm looking at wounding and hes not the only one).

well i'm a realist and whilst i did see some great second generation games on the
360, i can say with total sincerity that the PS3 impressed me (i watched 24 hours of it on Gamespot!) and whats more Motorstorm, fullauto2, formula1, GTHD (even though only using GT4s assets) genji2 where equal too if not slightly better than first generation 360 titles, where as Heavenly Sword, Resistance, warhawk, where equal to or better than second generation 360 titles. and by all accounts Assasins Creed is the showstopper for graphics. by the way did you know that this game is in fact some sort of timetravelling genre?!

[julps31]

Totally agree man. And i hate to see people brush games like assasins creed off by saying MS's conference had games that where equal or even more impressive than what Sony's show had (which is cool...but when you act like Sony's show only had okay games and don't even acknowledge the impressive ones...than your being unfair to Sony). I think this price dilema is clouding everybodys minds.

Damn...i just got my 2000th post and all this made me forget about celebrating it lol.

[MaceSin]

Voted for MS meant for Wii.

Oh well they both had a better showing then Sony anyway.

[The Dude]

Who one E3 2006?

The gamers did

[Phoenix]

Why is this in the Sony section?

[Junox50]

This forum is sorry right now. Its a little to much for me right now. i'd hate to leave but...when your getting frustrated by what people are saying left and right..and everybodys being so negative...than i don't see a good reason for staying.

I hate to sound like a cry baby but these might be my final days on E-mpire.

The people you speak of are suffering from MILR sickness, where they set their expectations far too high and constantly rant when dissapointed. Seriously, people here are starting to sound like that and its just sad. Lately this place has been more like an IGN message board than the forum we've know it to be.

[Viper]

E3 tends to bring out the competitve edge and the highest of expectatiosn in us al. You can't fault human nature for the actions that have been present that past week.

In fact, go to any other forum and I'm quite sure it's far, far worse.


What you find here is many that will speak the truth and not just cheerlead. That is why we can co-exist as we do more so than other forums. We call an apple and apple. Teh price is a negative factor. Are we expected to jump up and down and be happy for that price? Gamers have every right to be angry at that and we provide the outlet to discuss the matter.

[dantruon]

if you think that Nintendo is winning this next gen war then you are realli dreaming, why? well for a start Wii is not even next gen.

[MaceSin]

if you think that Nintendo is winning this next gen war then you are realli dreaming, why? well for a start Wii is not even next gen.

I know it's new gen. ;)

[dantruon]

Wii's only standout aspect is the new innovative controller but everything else is just THIS GEN, they dont even support HD resolution for crying out loud. I can assume that the situation gonna be similar between the PS3 and Wii compare to the PSP and NDS.

[Viper]

The term "next generation" has absolutely no bearing on the graphical output capabilites of the consoles. It simply means the next iterations of each companies flagship consoles.

Callign Wii this generation is like saying your and your mom are from the same generation.

[julps31]

This doesn't relate directly to this thread because i agree Nintendo had the best show. But i'm sorry..not to sound like a fanboy but when i go to Gametrailers.com...i just don't see the same number of impressive titles on the 360 as i see on the PS3. Just being truthful.:shrug:

[Phoenix]

Anyone ever read/seen Oedipus Rex? Viper's last comment reminded me of that...

if you think that Nintendo is winning this next gen war then you are realli dreaming, why? well for a start Wii is not even next gen.In what ways? Do you honestly believe graphics are what makes the difference between generations? I sure hope not, because if you can be brainwashed like that, their are millions of gamers even less hardcore than you (since you do post on a non-official forum and a large fraction of gamers don't) who would no doubt also be little Sony slaves if this were the case.

[Viper]

Phoenix, I wasn't going to go there but I thought about that after I posted it.

[Pro A.]

Nintendo had the best E3 overall. They did a very good job showing the power and potential of the Wii and many of their new games were impressive looking. Sony, outside of their bombshell with the price, did pretty good, I think. They have plenty of games to look forward to with the PS3 including MGS4, FFXIII, and that Assassin's Creed game looks sweet. Microsoft didn't do anything spectacular. A Halo 3 teaser is nice and all, but outside of that it was business as usual.

[julps31]

Nintendo had the best E3 overall. They did a very good job showing the power and potential of the Wii and many of their new games were impressive looking. Sony, outside of their bombshell with the price, did pretty good, I think. They have plenty of games to look forward to with the PS3 including MGS4, FFXIII, and that Assassin's Creed game looks sweet. Microsoft didn't do anything spectacular. A Halo 3 teaser is nice and all, but outside of that it was business as usual.Man its good to hear somebody with a nice unbiased review of the show. I gotta +rep from you man lol.

[Hrama]

Honestly, Sony's show left much to be desired and that damned price point is a complete hype-killer at the conference. The games look and play great, the hardware is great... honestly, the damned price is what is doing Sony in at the conference. Nintendo played their hand quite well, they built up anticipation and gave an adequate showing of the Wii. I won't rate it the best conference but at least they did not leave gamers angry as hell, which is exactly what Sony did. I am voting for Wii. Without Sony blabbing their mouth about the fat price on the PS3 (And a conference that at least looked like it was rehearsed once before they went out there), it would have stolen the show, or at least have been on par with Nintendo's. I have not seen Microsoft's, but I imagine it was more of the same, keeping the hype of their system up and showing a strong selection of demos/future games, but I can't really comment.

[Zer0-Sum]

Who bloddy cares who "Won" at E3? In five years talk to me then. The console wars have never been about the short term goals of any company. Wii took the honors, for now. But lets all see what it does in the real world market. It is not the gamer freaks like us and the people at E3 who determine any real success for any console. It the "Joepublic" and what the like and buy. Wii amy sell like mad hot cakes for the first two years, but then the novelty may die for the public. It may be the opposite. PS3 may not sell well in the begining and then sell like mad in the next few years. We all know how well things are going for 360, so far, but that all changes really fast as Nintendo and Sony bust the market down like a couple of Rhinos'. My bets:

Sony #1 again, 50-55% market share (over 100 million PS1, and 100 million PS2's sold, nuff said, the price be damned, people will pay for Sony phatness. It is the Sony image and people like it a lot.)

Nintendo in #2 with 30-35% market share (I am not so sure the average public will take on so stringly to such a weird product. Very kool, but weird. People are strange in what they like, yah know? Will have to see.)

Microsoft trailing sadly in #3 with 20-15% market share. (between to wuch strong products, what is microsoft to do? Hold on the by their finger nails taht is what.)

[woundingchaney]

well i'm a realist and whilst i did see some great second generation games on the
360, i can say with total sincerity that the PS3 impressed me (i watched 24 hours of it on Gamespot!) and whats more Motorstorm, fullauto2, formula1, GTHD (even though only using GT4s assets) genji2 where equal too if not slightly better than first generation 360 titles, where as Heavenly Sword, Resistance, warhawk, where equal to or better than second generation 360 titles. and by all accounts Assasins Creed is the showstopper for graphics. by the way did you know that this game is in fact some sort of timetravelling genre?!
LOL Cliff

Assassin's Creed has been in development for the 360, most likely what you are seeing is a trailer primarily composed on the 360. Some insiders are even saying that behind the backdrop a 360 was running the demo, although that is little more than a rumor that hasnt been confirmed. I believe the title was recently switched over to the PS3 but everyone expects a release on the 360 shortly after.

First gen PS3 games have been in dev just as long as second gen 360 games and IMO nothing from PS3 matched GoW or Mass Effect but to each his own. I was very intrigued by HS (best of Sony's show) and Im going to have to own it and Warhawk on day one.


Im willing to take that bet on market share Deadboyz.

[Zer0-Sum]

Who one E3 2006?

The gamers did

In all actuality this is the closet thing to the truth....

[woundingchaney]

The term "next generation" has absolutely no bearing on the graphical output capabilites of the consoles. It simply means the next iterations of each companies flagship consoles.

Callign Wii this generation is like saying your and your mom are from the same generation.
Unfortunetly Viper the term "Next Generation" has become notorious for referring to graphical quality. Where as the term itself may not have been intended for such the use of it is almost always found to be referring to graphics.

[julps31]

Okay Wounding...tell me exactly what games where so great at the MS E3 show without mentioning Gears of War or Halo lol.

[woundingchaney]

Okay Wounding...tell me exactly what games where so great at the MS E3 show without mentioning Gears of War or Halo lol.
Mass Effect

Bio Shock

Blu Dragon

Overlord

Forza 2

Fable 2

Rainbow Six Vegas

Viva Pinata

Crackdown

Chrome Hounds

Prey

Lost Planet (with a demo released that is very well done)

New Splinter Cell

Huxley

Dead Rising

Alan Wake (cant wait for this one)

These are only games off the top of my head I tried not to mention any cross console games here but may have made a mistake.


Once again Too Human was a let down and I sincerely hope the game is delayed to change aspects of the gameplay and graphics.



Both Forza and Fable are merely announcements. And ENCHANTED ARMS is coming to the US (cant wait for that one either).

[julps31]

*cough* I actually meant graphically...sorry i wasn't more specific. Only reason i say this is because it seems like you don't want to acknowledge that Sony actually hade some incredible looking games at the show.

[woundingchaney]

*cough* I actually meant graphically...sorry i wasn't more specific. Only reason i say this is because it seems like you don't want to acknowledge that Sony actually hade some incredible looking games at the show.
Oh no I was very impressed by HS and Lair and Warhawk Motor Storm to a lesser degree. I have mixed emotions about FFXIII and really wanted to see Halo, Lair, and MGS4 gameplay. Sony showed very good titles I simply was more impressed by GoW, Crysis, and Mass Effect (although I have no intention of upgrading my pc yet again for crysis). Sony had some very good looking games at the show never said they didnt but they didnt have any show stealers (IMO) and nothing beyond their competition for a year long delay.


Many of the games I have listed showcase very impressive visuals as well.

[HeroOfTimeGCN]

First of all, I will admit right away that growing up owning mostly Nintendo consoles has indeed had an effect on my current console preference.

Second, people need to remember that a "Generation" is not defined by beauty, ability, or even memory. It's all about age.

Third, and final point: E3 is not about seeing who is better of any company, and it sure as hell isnt about winning. It's about showing gamers some of the best new content that game companies have to offer, its about YOUR preference in games, and its about the games YOU WANT TO PLAY, not what others think. YOU have an opinion, YOU have a preference, and YOU have games that YOU want to play. Screw what anyone else thinks.

If you cant get your own opinion, and have to rely on biased media and corporate labeling, then get the hell out. You're not a real gamer, youre just a bandwagon gamer.


As to my thoughts on this year's E3:

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My thoughts on Sony:

Sony's conference and floor showing was impressive. Some amazing content from Konami, Square-Enix, Activision... The list goes on for a while. Assassin's Creed, Heavy Rain, Heavenly Sword, Stranglehold, God of War 2, Final Fantasy 13, MGS4 are all games i want to play oh so bad.

However, the $600 price tag for PS3 is a major turn off, and the less functional $500 model is a total rip IMO.

Yes, I think the introduction of tilt-sensors in the PS3 Controller is a blatant rip off, but who cares? Sony is doing their part to not be overshadowed, even if it might seem like they're the unwanted child screaming "I CAN DO IT TOO!!!!"

It's called humor.

Sony did seem a little underconfident, however, in the move with the controller. Before the new controller was revealed, I was happy with what Sony was doing. They had their own plan, and they seemed to be sticking to it. I did think the boomerang did look a little uncomfortable, however, and even though this might contradict what i said above, im glad the new controller is like the old one, it was comfortable. So, mixed feelings about the Sony conference.

PSP was not as big of a deal as the PS3, but it had a much better showing than previous years. I'm really excited about the PS1 emulator, and im very excited about some of the games arriving on PSP (Metal Slug, sooooo many PS1 titles, MGS: PO, Dungeon Seige, WTF [looks freakin hilarious], CC: FFVII to name a few).

Up until now, many of PSP's games have been similar to what we've seen on the PS2, and that is what kept me from buying one. I could get many of the games I wanted on PS2, without spending upwards of $500 for games, a decent memory card, and the system itself. I could spend $300 and get everything I wanted on PS2, including the system and a portable screen.

Recently, however, many games have been releasing that are nothing like PS2 games: Daxter, Pursuit Force (OMFG I LOVE IT), Lemmings, Metal Gear Ac!d 2, etc. and that makes me happy to see that PSP is finally becoming it's own system and not living off of ported PS2 games.

Now I need to get a PSP. Badly.

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My feelings on Nintendo:

I was thoroughly amazed. Yes, I know that sounds biased and fanboyish, but come on, no one can deny the straight up facts: Wii had a freakin 6 hour wait at times, Super Smash Bros. Brawl has Solid Snake in it, Red Steel looks abso-fuckin-lutely AMAZING, games I played as a kid are being revived and retooled for DS, and First Person Shooters (my fav) will benefit for years thanks to Wii's controller.

Honestly, I hated Wii's name for a while, then I thought "Aw what the fuck. Who cares, its just a name. I want the GAMES!!" So get over it those of you who keep bitching (directed at no one in particular, just meant in general.)

Wii has some amazing games, just like Sony before it. I cant wait to play SSBB and Metroid Prime 3, and Red Steel and Excite Truck. What I really cant wait for is the Virtual Console. THIS is the reason I'm buying a Wii before a PS3. I can play upwards of [possibly] a thousand games with it from NES, SNES, Genesis, Turbo-Grafx, [possibly] Saturn, [possibly] Dreamcast, N64, and who knows, maybe i'll get to play 3DO too. Plus my Gamecube games play in Wii.

DS had a nice line-up, some really good looking games and like i said above, some revivals of my favorite franchises (Yoshi's Island 2! EEEEEEE!!) Lots of third party support (Megaman ZX, Final Fantasy III, Children of Mana, CASTLEVANIA PORTRAIT OF RUIN *drool*) Glad I have a DS.

I was THOROUGHLY UNIMPRESSED with GameCube's lineup, however. 3 first party titles, a meager few third party games. C'mon, Sony has games like God of War 2 coming out on Ps2! Why cant we have some GameCube titles?!

Grrrrr, Nintendo. You did one thing wrong this year.

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My Thoughts on Microsoft:

one word: :banned:

Not cool at all. Halo 3 trailer (which I will admit gave me shivers and goosebumps) wasn't nearly enough. Gears of War was shown but still, Microsoft needed more. Yes, there were some great looking games at Microsoft's showing, but it left me craving more. It was like poking me with a stick and saying WOO!! HOW BOUT SOME CAKE?!? and then punching me in the face when I reached for it.

Again, let me say much of Microsoft's lineup looks great, Dead Rising will be great, like a comedic Resident Evil but with more weapons.

Fable 2 looks great.

Grand Theft Auto 4 was announced.

Enchanted Arms is coming to America.

But still, Microsoft was overshadowed by the other two console makers to a very large degree. They had WAY more games to actually show, plus they both had portables to show off. I remember when Halo 2 was the biggest thing at E3 a few years back. Halo 3 was just announced and it STILL didn't give MS the leverage it needed to "win" E3. That's bad.

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So who WON E3? To quote the dude: The gamers did.

overall, i'd say Nintendo DID have the better showing. Sony came close, very close IMO with the games, no where near as close with the console, though. Microsoft was just plain disappointing except for the Halo 3 trailer.

So yeah, I voted Nintendo. And now, I feel as though i'm about to get ripped a new one because of my reasoning.

BTW, i'm thinking of turning this thread into an editorial, I need permission to use names and such in it so you dont get mad at me. Dont worry, I wont bash anyone or call them names.

[kaphwan]

Brilliant post. The bias you claim to have didn't show in it at all.

+rep.

[woundingchaney]

My Thoughts on Microsoft:

one word: :banned:

Not cool at all. Halo 3 trailer (which I will admit gave me shivers and goosebumps) wasn't nearly enough. Gears of War was shown but still, Microsoft needed more. Yes, there were some great looking games at Microsoft's showing, but it left me craving more. It was like poking me with a stick and saying WOO!! HOW BOUT SOME CAKE?!? and then punching me in the face when I reached for it.

Again, let me say much of Microsoft's lineup looks great, Dead Rising will be great, like a comedic Resident Evil but with more weapons.

Fable 2 looks great.

Grand Theft Auto 4 was announced.

Enchanted Arms is coming to America.

But still, Microsoft was overshadowed by the other two console makers to a very large degree. They had WAY more games to actually show, plus they both had portables to show off. I remember when Halo 2 was the biggest thing at E3 a few years back. Halo 3 was just announced and it STILL didn't give MS the leverage it needed to "win" E3. That's bad.

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Im not sure as to how MS can have such a great line up of quality intriguing titles and still leave a bad taste in everyones mouth. This sentiment amazes me, MS can offer excellent titles at a very competitive price point the best online service availabe and yet still many are some how not impressed. MS really seems to be a love or hate relationship with many gamers and other than the MS reputation I see no reason why. It seems that no matter what the 360 does some just dont want to accept its accomplishments. Sony throws out a couple of polished competitive titles and everyone loves them, Nin banks on a controller gimmick and suddenly they are the bastion of innovation, yeah there arent any biases here.

MS has done something this E3 that noone here has recognized yet, they have successfully brought E3 to the gaming masses by making it available for download off of Live including 3 demos of games showcased at this years event.

(LOL OK the masses may have been an over statement)

In regards to the Halo trailer, yeah it really was kind of unsubstantial. Other than the great character model and impressive lighting and environment nothing really happened. My guess is the game is still very early in development and I seriously doubt that we even see it released next year.

Heres the thing for one year now people have been screaming xbox 1.5 or this isnt next gen. Now Sony shows gameplay footage and its nothing above the competition, but suddenly its now about game titles or gameplay or once again just wait and eventually we will see some impressive stuff from the PS3. Well it seems that this is really rather self serving and where as we all have biases people could have been playing next gen for a year now instead of waiting on Sony's misleading marketing. Everyone was more than willing to put MS under the spotlight and demean the 360 when in reality a year later Sony releases a comparable machine for an extra 200 dollars with a BR player. Its easy to see how this years E3 has changed the outlook of many peoples view of just what next gen represents. If it was really about the games if it was really about enjoying gameplay we wouldnt speak in terms of Nin or Sony or MS, but in reality its all about brand loyalty.
(Sorry about the rant guys really went into left field on that one ).

Anyways Hero nice post well worded and I respect your views.

[woundingchaney]

man i did it again

sorry accidentally qupted myself instead of edited

[Applefiend]

I think one of the things about the Microsoft conference is they show you all this stuff on 360, Gears of War lovely jubbly buy that one, then they show you Crysis, which blows everything else away. So.. maybe I should be spending my $400 + accessories on upgrading my PC perhaps....?

Because most of these games they show on 360 are coming out on PC too. Microsoft's ""two jackets" is rather strange.

[Z]

there wasn't much fuss about X2 because it has been out for half a year. for them, it is a regular E3; showing new games and maybe a new peripheral or two. it is more like a current system E3.
the other two have new games and peripheral as well, but what sets them apart is that the systems themselves are new as well. next E3, PS3 and Rev will be doing what X2 is doing this E3.
but hey, X2 had all the spot light in the last shows (untill Sony got the videos roling. ;p)

[Viper]

Great post, Brandon.

Permission granted if anything I said finds its way to your notepad.

[jaxmkii]

I think one of the things about the Microsoft conference is they show you all this stuff on 360, Gears of War lovely jubbly buy that one, then they show you Crysis, which blows everything else away. So.. maybe I should be spending my $400 + accessories on upgrading my PC perhaps....?

Because most of these games they show on 360 are coming out on PC too. Microsoft's ""two jackets" is rather strange.
#1 reason i never bought a Xbox of any kind... all the good games are on PC too and in better quality

[Phoenix]

Sony
Software: Awesome. Two main-series Final Fantasy games, MGS4, and a bunch of assorted cool but not heart-stopping amazing games.
Hardware: Worst show ever. Nothing new announced except a stolen controller, and then the whole price thing... too bad I'll never get to buy the games mentioned above. :'(

Good point: Games that are beautiful and more importantly look really fun.
Bad point: $600 for a console?!

Nintendo
Software: More awesome, you can feel the surge of all the information that was bottled up finally coming out. LoZ:TP. Red Steel. Super Mario Galaxy. Wario Ware. Super Smash Bros.: Brawl with Solid freaking Snake.
Hardware: Not quite as awesome as software, but still very nice. They did a great job showing what the controller could do, and it's very clear that they made in impact. Anyone wanna go stand in line?

Good point: The best game showing I've ever seen (granted, I've only seen online E3 coverage for like 4 years now).
Bad point: Wii online.

Microsoft
Software: Halo 3, Gears of War is pretty much it. Both look like they'll be very well-made, but neither are really my kind of game.
Hardware: Nothing. Obviously. The Xbox 360 is already out.

Good point: Uhh... good trailers?
Bad point: What else is there?

The verdict

1.) Nintendo
2.) Sony
3.) Microsoft

[Infernal]

Wounding I think we have very different graphical opinions about what looks good. In my opinion no 360 game even comes close in graphics to FFXIII, MGS4, and Lair. While in your opinion pretty much every game on 360 looks just as good as the games I just mentioned.

As for who stole the show, well honestly PS3 is the console everyones talking about, even if it is for the reason that it costs 500-600 dollars. But hey no publicity is bad publicity supposedly. The games looked incredible to me and my favorite series FF looks like CG, infact I thought it was CG when they first showed it. New controller sounds awesome for completely different reasons than the Wii-mote such as I cant see using the Wii-mote for flight sims or racing games, but thats what the PS3 controller is perfect for, and I love AC and GT.

Nintendo definately took second in my book, maybe its just because I personally dont feel the controller is the end all be all of next-gen. Nintendo keeps touting that it will bring non-gamers in with the Wii-mote because of its ease of use, yet I hear many reviews from gaming sites saying that you didn't actually point at the screen in the game, but at the sensor. Now people say this is because it wasnt recalibrated, well if thats true, then hell this controller is certainly not easy to use. Most people cant even work a DVD player, now Nintendo wants them to calibrate a remote...

360 had nothing impressive to me. They showed more shooters and lots of them (shooters arent really my thing) and a few other titles like Fable 2. Halo 3 which is their trump card didnt even impress MS fanboys because it really showed nothing and its the last Halo which is bound to dissapoint some people. Also 90% of 360 games are available on PC which is the main reason I never bought an Xbox in the first place, so it looks like that wont be changing this generation.

[Viper]

We've debated this based on opnion so far but lets toss in some facts.

IGN owns Gamerankings.com and it ranks games based on the number of unique page views for each game. Nintendo owns 6 of the top 10 spots with 4 of them coming from Wii. More impressive is that Twighlight Princess for GC and Wii are counted as two seperate games yet both appear in the top 10. Combined, it may have ranked far higher.


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/viperempire/gameranks.jpg



Also, a quote from IGN:
"Wii was not only the hit of E3 - it was the big hit with IGN's readership, too. IGN Wii consistently had the biggest traffic during the event, undoubtedly thanks to whopping revelations like the Super Smash Bros. Brawl trailer, which shouldn't be missed! It was and is amazing. A couple million - yes, million - unique readers tuned into IGN Wii in as many days to check out our updates and download media."


http://www.gamefaqs.com/
http://poll.pollhost.com/dmxhZGNvbGUJMTE0NTU5OTczMglGRkZGRkYJMDAwMDAwCUFyaW FsCU9yYW5nZQkw/
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2372
http://www.gamespot.com/ has a poll near bottom.
http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1341


While not scientific in any nature or conclusive, I believe the preceding shows a wide perception from various sources that Nintendo had the best show this year.

Now please do not take this to mean anything in regards to how the actual console race will play out. Just that for 5 days out 365, Nintendo is having its moment.

[julps31]

Lol...well seeing Smackdown on there as the only PS3 game lowered the credibilty of that poll for me lol.

But after last gen and Nintedo being in last place..i'm happy to see them get some love and attention from gamers. Its good to finally see them as a contender in the console war again.

[yoshaw]

I think Wii are the winners. Ok wait, that's not the Wii as in Nintendo Wii, it's the wii that is going to stick on the internet for the rest of the entire next-gen period instead of the We.

[Phoenix]

Lol...well seeing Smackdown on there as the only PS3 game lowered the credibilty of that poll for me lol.

But after last gen and Nintedo being in last place..i'm happy to see them get some love and attention from gamers. Its good to finally see them as a contender in the console war again.It's not a poll, but yes, it is a bit odd to see that outranking better PS3 games. And especially SSBB.

[Viper]

SSBB is leading the Gamespot ranking but the rest is more PC laden.

SSBB number 1
1 PS3 game (MGS4) at number 2
2 X360 titles
1 PSP game
The other 5 are PC.

BTW, the IGN list also contains PC titles just none made it to the top 10 for them.

[Teh Roxor!]

Nintendo always seems to do well with E3. This year, a bit better I think. Bad impressions from IGN playing Red STEEL worried me a little, although I'm sure they'll fix it. I liked Sony's show a lot too, but the price and a few other small things (no force feedback) rather disappointed me. The price has actually made it impossible for me to buy one, so all my enthusiasm was defenestrated right there. I found Microsoft to be rather underwhelming all around, but I suppose it could be because I didn't pay attention to the Microsoft stuff.

That only leaves Nintendo.

If Viper hadn't pointed out all of those polls, I was going to. People seem to be most impressed with Nintendo this year.

[Phoenix]

Why hasn't this been moved to multi-console E3 yet?

[Viper]

I haven't moved it yet because the response is a testament to the character of our Sony fanbase and it's something I'm very proud of them for.

[jaxmkii]

^^^ how so?

[Viper]

The average gamer that plays on one console is usually not as open to admit a better showing by another console manufacturer. I need not mention other forum names but already I have seen a few Sony boards that rate Nintendo last on similar polls.

[Phoenix]

I see. But someone should post the exact same thread in the Nintendo and Microsoft boards, that could show some interesting results.

[CrumCon]

To be quiet honest, Nintendo.. just because they showed all their forces with EVERY BIT of their 1st party franchises. never seen they did something like this.

maybe they know if they dont make a show like this.. there wont be another chance to attract gamers

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Your mom's winning E3.
OHH SNAP.

[Smokey]

SSBB is leading the Gamespot ranking but the rest is more PC laden.
what is ssbb

[LaLiLuLeLo]

super smash brothers brawl

[tien69]

I'm a part of the NES and SNES generation, got tired and layed dormant til I saw the PS. Funny how folk get all nostalgic, but gamecube sold so shitty this generation. This is how I look at it, I red the Game Informer, and was stoked at the use of the controller. Nothing short or young kids will be able to play the Wii for long periods of time. I'm sorry, ninety, I predict will come in a close second, cause if I get a second console, they will be it.

3 times the power of the gamecube is no slouch, but people still are graphic whores. Like someone said, Sony put the price out there, to gauge reactions, and keep as is, or adjust accordingly. And anyone with an ounce of analytical ability, will see they are getting much more bang for their buck with sony. the eye-toy1 coupled with the controller offers as much or more versatility, that the Wii. Not to mention the card-based games, go to any bookstore and you will see the power of teh card nerds. Who are no doubt drooling their collective asses off. the Wii, will become tedious, wait and see, they have a traditional controller I think , so we will see. in teh meantime, I am sure Sony will be convincing everyone the worth of their product. Plus ANYONE who buys a PS3, can program and make their own games, that alone, whew

[Phoenix]

Plus ANYONE who buys a PS3, can program and make their own games, that alone, whewThat'll get them about 2000 sales probobly. In the entire generation.

[tien69]

Originally Posted by woundingchaney


First gen PS3 games have been in dev just as long as second gen 360 games and IMO nothing from PS3 matched GoW or Mass Effect but to each his own. I was very intrigued by HS (best of Sony's show) and Im going to have to own it and Warhawk on day one.


yes, im curious as to what you term 'next gen' , graphics, or gameplay(immersion, interactivity and fluidity). because those games you spouted off, more of the same plastic looking stuff, normal mapped to death. Albeit , Gears of wars, makes the best use of this, Unreal2007, stomps it graphically, if you disagree, send your address, so I can mail you money for some spanking new glasses. :thumpsup:

Crysis, nice, but naughty dogg's game looks better in my opionion, Apart from the jungle stage, Crysis looks average. Nicer, richer average. (drop $100 off thet price SOny, one SKU configuration)