A few PS3 details from Kutaragi/Kawanishi interviews

[Loc]

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30746

- PS3 is a computer, standard interfaces, designed to be extensible. Mentions again that you can just buy a standard bigger HDD if you want. Sony will continue to offer new variations/configurations of PS3 in the future with bigger HDDs, more AV I/O etc.

- Apparently they have lots of Cells, they started production in Summer 05. It won't be problem when it comes to supply, more challenging is securing other parts like HDDs, memory etc.

- PS3 can't output two different images via HDMI and multi av-out, just the same image. Might change in the future if there is consumer demand.

- Wanted to add motion sensors to controllers before, but couldn't because they were not good enough.

- PS logo button is used to raise the system menu, to turn on/off PS3, and to make the system recognise the controller (sound familiar? :p). It's powered by a battery charged with a USB cable from PS3 to controller. The controller can't be used for PS2.

- PS3 power supply is internal, afterall. The machine is as quiet as a PS2 (I believe Sony said slim PS2 previously).

- Game resolutions are recommended to be 1080p or 720p, but no strict guidelines. SD is not preferred, however, obviously.

- PS3 has Linux installed and programming is allowed. License fees are not required for individual developers. Licensed PS3 game developers can get SDK and technical support by SCE, but Linux programmers while not having to pay a license fee, obviously won't get as much support. In Linux, Cell is under the hardware layer of the OS supervisor, but things including SPEs are expected to be open to developers. Didn't show off non-game apps at E3, because well, it's E3..

Kick my ass if posted before

[iceman2654]

- PS3 has Linux installed and programming is allowed. License fees are not required for individual developers. Licensed PS3 game developers can get SDK and technical support by SCE, but Linux programmers while not having to pay a license fee, obviously won't get as much support. In Linux, Cell is under the hardware layer of the OS supervisor, but things including SPEs are expected to be open to developers. Didn't show off non-game apps at E3, because well, it's E3..

SWEET !! :drool:

[Viper]

Sony will continue to offer new variations/configurations of PS3 in the future with bigger HDDs, more AV I/O etcInteresting move here. If they can offer a bottom line model, that will boost sales dramatically (like myself as I had originally planned).

[Sephiroth_VII]

OMFG, linux sounds really sweet.

- PS logo button is used to raise the system menu, to turn on/off PS3, and to make the system recognise the controller (sound familiar? :p). It's powered by a battery charged with a USB cable from PS3 to controller. The controller can't be used for PS2.
Well, if MS' idea is great, why not use it? Should they make the controller interface weaker, just to show that they're not copying MS? And finally, the PS3 can be turned off via the DS3!! Thank god!

[CrumCon]

man lets hope some dev make killer software for converting videos! cause thats all i need. i want to convert all my divx files to DVD mpg2! i hope with the help from RSX and Cell.. times for converting videos will be reduced by 70 to 80%!

[DofD]

Sounds excellent. Now my question will be how complete of a Linux install comes with the PS3? Or will a cross compiler be needed and where to get that if needed.

[Sephiroth_VII]

The Linux is pre-installed on the HDD, no matter what SKU you buy.

[RavenFox]

This is sweet sweet news.

[Loc]

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060511/ps3.htm
http://plusd.itmedia.co.jp/games/art...1/news058.html

Q: Last question. The power supply is inside the PS3 unit?
A: Of course it is. It's a good place for it (laughter). Of course it's the place for it.

Q: Heat issue, is it a terrible problem?
A: Nope. Absolutely no. It's quiet as the PS2. (I assume he's talking about the latest models.)

Q: You were inspired by Wii controller, right? (laughter)
A: No no. (laughter) We've thought about it a long time. In fact we had thought about it for the PSP.

Software can be started from SD card or memory stick. So we are allowing individual developement, not just the studios.

PS3 will be installed with Linux, so programming in Linux is possible.
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It is now possible for individuals who do not want to sign a licence agreement to make PS3 content of their own.

Summary: Of course licensed developers will get technical support, official tools, official SDK, official debug kits, everything that a studio paying for the license will expect. Non-licensed individual Linux developers won't have that benefit.

[KiLLA2006]

im getting tired of that whole... ps3 uses the extra button to do the same thing that microsoft does... remember on the "boomerang" that button was present from day one before microsoft showed off their button features...

[VG Aficionado]

im getting tired of that whole... ps3 uses the extra button to do the same thing that microsoft does... remember on the "boomerang" that button was present from day one before microsoft showed off their button features...And PSP has the "Home" button since a year before 360 was ever showcased.

A: No no. (laughter) We've thought about it a long time. In fact we had thought about it for the PSP.Most likely true. LocoRoco could have benefitted a lot from this. They should have gotten rid of the unused infrared port and include a motion sensor instead. PSP2, maybe.

[KiLLA2006]

^^ exactly, I guess thats the benefit of being the first on a market, you get credited for these dumb little things

[Reality Bandit]

- PS3 has Linux installed and programming is allowed. License fees are not required for individual developers. Licensed PS3 game developers can get SDK and technical support by SCE, but Linux programmers while not having to pay a license fee, obviously won't get as much support. In Linux, Cell is under the hardware layer of the OS supervisor, but things including SPEs are expected to be open to developers. Didn't show off non-game apps at E3, because well, it's E3..

Iceman2654 said it best...

SWEET !! :drool:

[Smokey]

its good to see people finally positive about the ps3 :)

[OmniCloud]

Plz sony...the reason people are pissed about PS3 is not because it sucks..or even because Wii blows it away(Wii looks really good dont get me wrong-but the graphics just don't compare-even to 360 titles) or because they games aren't E3 level yet(Heavenly Sword is damn close tho) it's that BOGUS price!! This hardware is just amazing.Just drop it by $100 plz...That would bring smiles across all our faces...

[Coded-Dude]

:susp:

[Viper]

No, drop it by $200.00.

Sony, I want you to subsidize my console.

[Loc]

No, drop it by $200.00.

Sony, I want you to subsidize my console.
The issue is that the console is expensive to make, the X360 is already losing like 125$ per console so for Sony they can't really afford to lose 200-300$ a console. I might pick a PS3 up for a slight replacement for my PC, so I don't need to use my PC to watch movies anymore but it really all depends.

[CrumCon]

$600 is way way too much.. i have the money.. but $600 is way way too much.. id like it to be $450 so ican buy two games at launch.

[Viper]

Amazing how those analysts were right.


PS2 dropped in price from $299.99 to $129.99 in 5.5 years. $170.00 off of the PS3s $600.00 in 5.5 years will make it $429.99 in mid 2012. Obviously that's not reflective of what will actually take place but it put some perspective on just how much this $600.00 is.

[section]

Well almost 57% price drop in 5,5 years would give about 259$ price for PS3.

[Viper]

$40.00 short of the PS2's launch price....5.5 years down the road. Ouch. MS (if they survive) and Nin will be gearing up for new systems by that time. Sony may claim a 10 year life span but they'll get sorely crushed if they plan to keep the PS3 around as their flagship console when the new consoles pop up by then.

[Kiosko]

Hrm...I guess i'll get the $499 forw now.

[xone_4]

do you ever heard about the ipod or the mac mini prices ?

well the ipod video = 300$ for the 30gb and 400$ for the 60gb
what it do? play music and play stamp size videos and gess what it selles like hot cakes

the mac mini = ps3 price (600$) for the lower model with 60gb hd and 5% of the ps3 power it cant even play 1080p movie trailers with out frame drop and what you well go get it for? media playback an home entertainment
and it sells very good too!

the psp is the same price with an more features than the ipod but it stand as media player on the #2 rank why? it is a gaming machine
if you look to the ps3 as a media hub you well like the price so much (im talking the 600$ one)

i dont need to count the known ps3 capabilities do i?

and do i go too far comparing the ps3 with the mac mini ?

i dont think so

im done ;)

[Handycrap101]

If you can post the Ipod sales numbers then perhaps you will see why your post is completely irrelevant.

[indiekid4]

do you ever heard about the ipod or the mac mini prices ?

well the ipod video = 300$ for the 30gb and 400$ for the 60gb
what it do? play music and play stamp size videos and gess what it selles like hot cakes

the mac mini = ps3 price (600$) for the lower model with 60gb hd and 5% of the ps3 power it cant even play 1080p movie trailers with out frame drop and what you well go get it for? media playback an home entertainment
and it sells very good too!

the psp is the same price with an more features than the ipod but it stand as media player on the #2 rank why? it is a gaming machine
if you look to the ps3 as a media hub you well like the price so much (im talking the 600$ one)

i dont need to count the known ps3 capabilities do i?

and do i go too far comparing the ps3 with the mac mini ?

i dont think so

im done ;)

Amen Brother! (of a different mother, of course)

[Viper]

Xone, it's not a matter of what you get with it, it's a matter of it still being $600.00. Do you know how many of those $400.00 iPods have sold? Only a few million.

Mac Mini and the 60 GB iPod wer expected to be that high but not a video game machine and I don't care how many time KK says it's an entertainment machine, it is not in the minds of the average consumer. When you see it on the same shelf as a Mac Mini or an iPod, then the price will feel more valid. It's a games machine first and foremost that cost twice as much as the past version of the machine (PS2).

My point being it's mostly a psychological barrier for it's primary use.

[xone_4]

According to PiperJaffray analyst Gene Munster predicts that Apple will have shipped a total of 85 million iPods by the end of 2006. So far, since its introduction in October of 2001, Apple has shipped over 60 million.

and PiperJaffray say the number of iPod users reached 35 million by the end of calendar 2005, up from 10 million at the end of 2004.

and the mac mini reached 7.8 million units in less than 1 year with only 1 upgrade in 7 months

Right!

and they dont drop prices they only upgrade generations and some time push the prices up a little :P

PS: they add 200$ to the old gen mac mini price !!!

[Domination]

- PS3 has Linux installed and programming is allowed. License fees are not required for individual developers. Licensed PS3 game developers can get SDK and technical support by SCE, but Linux programmers while not having to pay a license fee, obviously won't get as much support. In Linux, Cell is under the hardware layer of the OS supervisor, but things including SPEs are expected to be open to developers. Didn't show off non-game apps at E3, because well, it's E3..

:stunned: What in the heck?!? If that's true, I'm replacing my PC.

[Viper]

Yes, I'm aware of the total number of iPods sold but very few are the $400.00 model.

The Mac Mini was released in Feb, how can it already have 7.8 million sold?

"We estimate total Mac mini units sold in the March quarter (Jan - March) were 138k vs. our estimate of 50k" - PiperJaffray

[xone_4]

you know it have to be pushed to the minds of the average consumer i dont want to stay 20 years with the game machine mindset pulling the industry back i work on the media industry on the middle east in i can tell you its converging (games and movies) and not for the sake of the average consumer mindset we must stand still !
do we have to?

face it even M$ doing it somehow it is the future as we must see it

only ninty is holding back but you know what nintendo is burning their last cards these gen a.k.a nextgen what they can do next gen they used evry single game from their history so ?? look an smash in you well see what im saying even they borrow other companies heros (snake!!?)

[xone_4]

@ viper
im talking about all the mac mini line including the mac mini g4 ver.

the numbers from feb is for the mac mini Intel ver

[Viper]

They didn't borrow, Kojima has been begging to have Snake in since the first one. They didn't have time to add him in before launch on the GC one so it's been planned the whole time to have him in this one (Plus expect others). Kojima and Miyamoto are great friends and have talked of working on many things together. MGS: Twin Snakes was a start as they both worked as producers while letting Silicon knights develop.

They may sell consoles and DVD players on the same shelf in the ME but in the US, Asia and Europe, they share seperate space.

I'm not finding anything on 7.8 million mini macs sold. I'm not trying to doubt you just in its own merit I'd like to see that as that's phenomenal.

[woundingchaney]

It is also important to consider that if Blu Ray doesnt become an accepted format then price cuts may be few and far between.

There is much included with the PS3 that cannot support price cuts without mass market acceptance (although there is much that can experience price cuts in short time as well).

[Fazares]

OMFG, linux sounds really sweet.

Well, if MS' idea is great, why not use it? Should they make the controller interface weaker, just to show that they're not copying MS? And finally, the PS3 can be turned off via the DS3!! Thank god!
i have an xbox360 and i can assure thats really good stuff
taking the best of both the wii and the xbox360 controllers...looks all rite to me...:crazy:

[xone_4]

ok any way if i have to dig my old bookmarkes i was going to do it to make some study about the electronic products with the average same price and intersected
abilities like mobile phones and media centers tv setup boxes and digital receivers etc.

and im going to post it soon ;)

[altares]

hey I'm smiling again!!! tnx. I only hope the info is accurate.

[xone_4]

hey I'm smiling again!!! tnx. I only hope the info is accurate.

well see the link on the first post and you well verify its accuracy and you well smile even more :)

if you didn't do that already