PS3 RSX Memory Confirmed at 1400MHZ!

[makeitlookreal]

Everyone,

According to this report the RAM speed of the RSX has been boosted to 1400mhz! If this is true, it is really good news. Are there any DEVS that can comment on this or anyone else? My only other comment is that if we can get a little more RAM for the GPU I think it will truly give the system a boost.

One question. Has ANYONE nicely and politely POKED or PRODDED anyone at E3 about information about the systems final specs or info about the RSX, RAM, etc?



http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31631

"The PS3 is a bit more complicated with a TurboCache feature with the system memory, but we'll just focus on the GPU capabilities. The RSX has a memory clocked at 1400MHz but, again, you'll be just as stuck as with the Xenos GPU - cruising around at 22GB/s."

[Insane Metal]

Actually it´s the same speed... they said it was 700Mhz DDR, which means 700 x DDR (double data rate) = 1400Mhz ;)

[makeitlookreal]

Well, can we hope that the folks who wrote that article meant that it actually will be 1400mhz and the effective rate will be 2800mhz? They were not very clear on that issue.

If they really did mean 700mhz it is the first time I have ever heard of the PS3's RAM having an effective rate of 1400mhz. I believe it, of course. But just learned it right now....

[Garfunkel]

no it is 700mhz ddr (1400mhz) the inquirer is just as stupid as ign, "360 is 9.6GHZ!!!"

[antuk15]

I got all excited then for nothing :(

[koldfuzion]

Doh! Mods I'd suggest changing thread title to RSX RAM Confirmed at 1400mhz", but it is the Inquirer after all. Maybe "Inquirer suggests RSX RAM still clocked at 1400 mhz." Oh well MILR had me fooled too, I'm just as retarded as the Inquirer!

[Viper]

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MILR, be careful of Inquirer. They tend to be very sensational with articles with the intend of misleading you. Some paralell them to the tabloid Enquirer.

[darksurge]

They seem to forget that the xbox has to share that bandwidth with the cpu as well, plus the fact the rsx has an additional 35 gb/s link to the cell and xdr memory. Just another articlle from the inquirer bashing the ps3 with incomplete/incorrect information

[overclocked]

BS, The Inqurier dont now anything(about Xenos they should, but everything reg Sony and PS3 is like Fortknox, take the controller for an ex), they just qoute the official specs, nothing more.

And for games not running good on the Devkits well i must say they are wrong.

MILR even if the bus was increased to 256-bit(wont happen) you still dont get your real-life simulator. Regarding specs etc it isnt set in stone but pretty much risped, some small things could change IMO.

Even if you say you try too read alot up i think that you should know by now that DDR700MHz equals 1400Mhz "effective" as mentioned before in the thread.

[makeitlookreal]

Of course I would love to have a REAL LIFE SIMULATOR, but I know for a fact and have known that the PS3 will not be one.

However, I have seen GREAT background graphics and effects in several PS3 games so far.

Additionally, I have seen great FACES And SKIN in a *few* demos such as the Tiger Woods demo and the one last year with Doc Octavious. Also, once again the 360 pulled off VERY realistic faces in FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 3 greater than ANYTHING I have seen so far in the PS3.

I know the PS3 will not make PERFECT REAL LIFE SIMULATING WORLDS.

What I hope the PS3 will be able to do is PULL TOGETHER the great looking backgrounds I have seen so far with REALISTIC CHARACTERS as good looking as those from FIGHTNIGHT or the TIGERWOODS DEMO.

If the PS3 manages to do that (or the game developers that are making games for the PS3) I would be VERY happy. It would NOT be perfect and would NOT be a REAL LIFE SIMULATOR. But it would be VERY good.

Overclocked, you know what I want because I have repeated myself several times. However, you say I want a REAL LIFE SIMULATOR out of the PS3. Well, that is not at all what I have been speaking about for the past several days and YOU KNOW IT!

[martel]

]Of course I would love to have a REAL LIFE SIMULATOR, but I know for a fact and have known that the PS3 will not be one.

However, I have seen GREAT background graphics and effects in several PS3 games so far.

Additionally, I have seen great FACES And SKIN in a *few* demos such as the Tiger Woods demo and the one last year with Doc Octavious. Also, once again the 360 pulled off VERY realistic faces in FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 3 greater than ANYTHING I have seen so far in the PS3.

I know the PS3 will not make PERFECT REAL LIFE SIMULATING WORLDS.

What I hope the PS3 will be able to do is PULL TOGETHER the great looking backgrounds I have seen so far with REALISTIC CHARACTERS as good looking as those from FIGHTNIGHT or the TIGERWOODS DEMO.

If the PS3 manages to do that (or the game developers that are making games for the PS3) I would be VERY happy. It would NOT be perfect and would NOT be a REAL LIFE SIMULATOR. But it would be VERY good.

Overclocked, you know what I want because I have repeated myself several times. However, you say I want a REAL LIFE SIMULATOR out of the PS3. Well, that is not at all what I have been speaking about for the past several days and YOU KNOW IT![/I][/SIZE][/B]

Please don't write in bold, italic and size 3. It's an eye sore. It's bad enough that the content of your posts is often annoying without the aesthetics being annoying also.

Stop putting your fingers in your ears and moaning about what you want. How is you bitching on this forum about how "horrible" and "pathetic" games look changing anything. Do you think game devs for each major company sit around waiting for your next incite into why, without knowledge of graphics or programming (or common sense), you have decided their game isn't up to scratch. Or do you think the number of polygons PS3 can render directional proportional to the number of complaints you issue. Companies want to make money, they don't give a s**t about the vocal minority, let alone a vocal individual.

"you know what I want because I have repeated myself several times" precisely, so then why is it necessary to post your opinion (you only ever have one) any more.

[Viano]

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[Z]

your obsession with the hardware is scary...

[Viper]

We need another 2 generations of hardware at least before our eyes are played for fools.

[makeitlookreal]

We don't need two generations of hardware.

The graphics of FIGHT NIGHT for the 360 nearly fooled my eyes. They were obviously not "perfect", but looked GREAT. Also, the Tiger Woods demo almost fooled my eyes too!

We have some games with great back grounds and some games with great looking characters. Now, they just need to pull the two together. I think we have enough hardware to make some great looking games if the developers would do what it takes to pull these elements together.

Obviously, I don't have a life at all. I will totally admit that. I was asked, so I will answer. Please don't fuss at me now for talking about personal issues on the board when someone asked me a question!!!

Now, I am particularly interested in the hardware because it seems very few other people seem to even care. If I had seen anyone anywhere this E3 ask anyone from Sony some hard pointed questions about the specifications or do some serious (but polite and peaceful) poking and prodding then I would let things go. But no one seems to care! Well, I care! And there are others that care too but I feel most of them don't want to speak up because they would be attacked by others in this forum and on other forums.

I do apologize by being fooled by the 1400mhz statement. Honestly, I have read a lot about all these systems and either I honestly just forgot about that or I did not remember. At this point, after considering it for quite a while, I recall that number 1400MHZ being used somewhere, but I don't remember *myself* in what context, but of course I now realize it is the "effective" rate of the GPU's double data-rate RAM.

You guys are sharp when it comes to technical details. I wish some of you would have used that technical savy to at least try and get a few more answers this E3.

Don't get me wrong. I sincerely appreciate the effort many of you went through this E3 to take the long trip, take the photos, report back to us, and so fourth. Obviously, it cost money, time, energy, and resources. I honestly am thankful for what you guys did for us by covering E3, but at the same time just wish that somehow a few more questions could have been asked somehow.

My hope right now is that Sony very quickly comes fourth with the remaining information.

[venomv]

When Fight Night comes on PS3 it will look just as good, if EA is lazy, if we are lucky it will look even better then the 360 version. And I think games have been shown that look better then that, even though the facial movement during the punchs is amazing.

[Viper]

MILR, Fight Night and Tiger Woods are not representative of the average title. By that I mean they are in limited in the number of main on screen characters and interactive environments which allows them to add further detail to the main objects. Even then it was extremely obvious that both were still a video game.

Look at this. It took hours to render this single frame yet it took me 1/10th of a second to see it's not real.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/2000/Oct/29/image2/islandlife_b.jpg

[jaxmkii]

We need another 2 generations of hardware at least before our eyes are played for fools.
your optimistic...

i want my holodeck now!

[jaxmkii]

When Fight Night comes on PS3 it will look just as good, if EA is lazy, if we are lucky it will look even better then the 360 version. And I think games have been shown that look better then that, even though the facial movement during the punchs is amazing. i was disapointed buy the 360 one... hopefully the PS3 one will look like the demo shown at E305

[Viper]

Jax, I mean in terms of the screen only and even then I agree there will still be many elements not renderable in real time yet.

[jako]

i was disapointed buy the 360 one...
You must be kidding... this game is graphically amasing.
But I agree with you, we can hope that the PS3 version will look better, just because they'll have almost a year to develop it.

[makeitlookreal]

Viper,

That is a great looking render you created. I give you a lot of credit for the artisitc knowledge you possess. Personally, that looks REAL to me. However, even though I could tell that Fight Night was not "real" (and did not look as good as what you just rendered) it looked CLOSE to real to my eyes.

I know we are not going to get games that look absolutely 100% real with the PS3. However, I hope we get OVER THE HUMP so to speak.

Basically, let me try to explain this.

There is a theory that as characters (especially humans) in games start looking better they start becoming more frustrating to look at by the person viewing them. For example, a PS1 character evolving to a PS2 character looked great. But a PS2 character evolving into something less than realistic can make someone's brain literally REVOLT. The reason is because it was made to look realistic, but you can see too many imperfections for it to be "real."

According to this theory at some point even if an image is not totally 100% photorealistic it will become good enough for a human beings brain to accept as being "real" like it accepts the images in a TV show.

Personally, in my mind there is a hump so to speak. That is when an image looks "real" or is good enough for my mind to accept even though it still has flaws and is not TRUTHFULLY "photorealistic".

I am sure that this is hump is different for everyone. Personally, I was disgusted with almost every game I saw until I witnessed FIGHT NIGHT for the 360 in real-life. It looked real enough that my brain accepted the fighters and was not revolting. Now, I don't think it was a LOT over the "hump" so to speak, but ENOUGH!

Your render took hours to do but the 360 can pull something off like Fightnight in real-time. Why is that? I am NOT a tech expert, but I have read articles (sincerely my memory does not always serve me as well as it should for someone my age) detailing how a developer using tricks, tools, and techniques can make a real-time image look as good as *some* pre-renders.

Basically, to sum it up, for me to enjoy PS3 games I will need to see a level of graphics that is OVER THE HUMP for me, personally. I have only seen that with Fight Night, the Doc Oct demo, and the Tiger Woods demo. Now, a few games had better looking characters than others. MGS4 looked like it was going in the right direction and a few others. However, some games looked downright HORRIBLE compared to Fight Night or even MGS4.

For example, Tekken looked like a PS2 game. A fantastic PS2 game, but a PS2game.

I know we are not going to get perfection. But I think we can get something better from the PS3 than what we are seeing now in most games and demos. It was done in Fight Night and it was done in real-time demos.

Thank you for taking the time to do the render. It looked beautiful regardless of the topics we are discussing.

[jaxmkii]

You must be kidding... this game is graphically amasing.
But I agree with you, we can hope that the PS3 version will look better, just because they'll have almost a year to develop it.
no im not kidding it just dint look right (in motion) animations where jumpy and iratic nothing like the E305 demo. i hope PS3s extra HP in the physics department helps

[=NukeBlaze=]

Still I am not sure why they did not use a 256 bit wide memory interface. 40 GB/s of current PC graphics cards is nothing new, so I am not sure of the technical difiiculties and the cost that would cost them in doing it, but i probably would have been reccomended.

[makeitlookreal]

Nuke, all we can do is hope that if they are going to charge a relatively high price for their consoles that they will boost the specifications a bit and hopefully that will be one of the upgrades.

[yoshaw]

The ginormous expectations of some particular individuals in this thread really reeks of whinanimous proportions (If that is even a word).

When I saw FFXIII, MGS4, Assassins Creed, SC:Double Agent, Halo3, Mass Effect. I knew Next-gen has arrived. The broken record, which is the endless mentioning of the crapola that is Fight Night 3 has to stop. Either that or it must be admitted that anyone who thinks FNR3 graphics are the peak of next-gen needs to be either shot point-blank or get his testicles castrated. I can bet it won't hurt since they are already desensitized anyway.

I've not seen any editor on Gamespot, IGN, 1up or wherever else mention even once that FNR3 is the epitome of visuals that needs to be outclassed from E3 games. However, they did say how eye gobbling Assassins Creed is and how breathtaking Heavy Rain looks in realtime. They also mentioned Mass Effect looks gorgeous and they also realized that the White Engine in FFXIII is on par with the Advent Children movie graphics. Not to mention the unanimous E3 slogan that MGS4 is the most brilliant piece of software to ever hit E3 crowds.

And we haven't even seen the full extent of PS3 just yet with major software titles such as RE5, DMC4 and Killzone missing from the showfloor. I've seen the FNR3 in person myself and it doesn't look as good as being hyped by MILR. It looks good in iteself but compared to MGS4, FFXIII, Splinter Cell, Halo3 and Mass Effect, the graphics in FNR3 pale even yellower than yellow.

[makeitlookreal]

First of all, Fight Night for the 360 has the absolute best in-game character graphics I have ever seen (and a decent environment too).

Personally, if the PS3 is so much more powerful than the 360 like so many people tend to claim with the STANDARD HDD, the CELL processor, the RSX, faster memory, AND Blu-Ray I see no reason why games on the PS3 cannot have *at least* the character graphics quality of Fight Night.

I don't think that Fight Night is the FINAL BIG THING the PS3 must accomplish. Quite frankly, I expect even better as time goes on. But I would like to see ONE SINGLE GAME (other than just a demo such as the Tiger Woods one) that had character graphics as detailed in game in real-time.

That is a starting point in my opinion, and not AT ALL a final goal.

Additionally, it is not a huge expectation, but a very reasonable one in my opinion.

[Infernal]

MILR IT CANT! GET OVER IT! Every single post you make says "I want higher specs", "the characters look like plastic", or "why doesnt everything look real". If you want reality go watch a movie, go outside and play some basketball, things look real in REAL LIFE, not in "VIDEO" "GAMES".

Sorry this may sound harsh but its really getting annoying.

[yoshaw]

FNR3 sucks 'Uwe Balls' compared to Assassins Creed, MGS4 and FFXIII.To even mention it as the greatest looking game is retardedness since now that we've seen games at E3 looking leaps n bounds BETTER than the crappily animated FNR3 boxers.

You reek of hypocrisy MILR, first you want realistic graphics then you're stuck with a 1st generation game that truly gets pwned by tens of games showcased at E3. Heck even Splinter cell looks twice beautiful than FNR3. Your infatuation and repetitive mentioning of FNR3 as 'the best' is quite obnoxious as well as disgustingly unhealthy for your brain. You need to get those FNR3 goggles off and actually realize that E3 has pwned it bigtime in terms of visuals.

[makeitlookreal]

yoshaw,

If I have missed a PS3 character other than the Tiger Woods demo, the Doc Octopus Demo, or just perhaps the Snake in MGS4 (due to the fact it looks decent but I can't find a HD version anywhere and I think that might be the reason everyone else is bragging on it but I don't see it) then please point out the exact character that looks more realistic than one of the fighters in Fight Night. If you can point out a HUMAN character that looks more realistic than Fight Night that is not just a demo then I will arrest my case.

[yoshaw]

Fight Night 3 sucks compared to Otacon, Snake, Campbell, Liquid Ocelot's character models! Simple as that! I don't have to prove anything to you at all! You have to be mature enough to read E3 previews from gamespot, IGN and 1up. Noone likes spoonfeeding anyone but I've been glued to the E3 coverage and I know for a fact that everyone who saw MGS4, Assassins Creed and FFXIII compared it to CG level graphics of Advent Children.


Which in my mind is sooo ahead of FNR3. Let me repeat it to you, FNR3 looks like shit compared to PS3 titles at E3.

If you haven't seen any footage, that's your problem and then you should remain shutup about PS3 not having mind-blowing stuff. Because you yourself are admitting you haven't had the chance to see it. You're really a character dude. Sometimes it amazes me that how the heck you don't embarass yourself with constantly clashing with your own claims.

This would be my last post as I see the topic of the thread completely in contrast with the subject of our argument. Stop hijacking every thread with claims of not impressed posts. It's causing everyone to derail from the thread topics only to reply to you.

[makeitlookreal]

Yoshaw,

I have been looking for some HD footage of MGS4 but have not been able to find any. I have viewed every clip I can find and even at game-trailers they seem fuzzy and obviously don't seem to be as amazing as all of you indicate. You are right, you don't have to prove to me anything at all. But if there is a true HD clip of MGS4 out there I am more than willing to look at it and have been looking for it for days.

Right now I am trying to download a clip of FF for the PS3 and can't find a clip that is not fuzzy or low resolution.

I am doing my best to do my own research and have viewed quite a number of clips. It just seems that HD versions for the most popular of games are not very available at the moment, or at least I have not found them.

We are both in the same boat, really. You think I am being irrational because I am very unimpressed with almost all the PS3 games so far (from what I can tell and I am in the process of finding higher definition clips) and I think all of you are being irrational for being so impressed with them.

I could say all of you are hi-jacking threads too by being soooo overly positive. Thank goodness there is freedom of speech on this board and we don't all have to agree with one another, and we can all get along! :-)

[yoshaw]

I think that's enough derailing there. :fuckedup:
supreme offtopic :locked:

[Viper]

MILR, have you played and enjoyed Fight Night 3 or Tiger Woods? Are they absolutely incredble to play? Do they rank top 10 of all time?

If they aren't that great, they have no business being placed on a pedastal of grandeur and are proof that such high quality graphics do not make a game any more fun to play than that of inferior quality graphics.

[OG_Monkey]

wow

[OG_Monkey]

wait, what the hell dose PS3 RSX Memory Confirmed at 1400MHZ mean!?

[OG_Monkey]

cache or something?

[Viper]

The 700 Mhz DDR RAM. DDR = Double Data Rate. 700 Mhz x 2 = 1400 mhz.

[cpiasminc]

It also means that someone's TES may just be progressing further. ;)

BTW, OG... was there really a need for you to post 3 sentences as 3 separate posts?

[makeitlookreal]

Viper,

To answer your question Fight Night 3 was very fun to play. No one has had a chance to play the Tiger Woods Demo, but at least it looks absolutely fantastic which is more than I can say about MOST PS3 games.

Like I just mentioned a little bit ago, MGS4 is absolutely fantastic.

[=NukeBlaze=]

wait, what the hell dose PS3 RSX Memory Confirmed at 1400MHZ mean!?


In essence, it means "shiney". Moths like "shiney".

[VG Aficionado]

Is there a point in keeping this thread alive? :huh:

:locked:

[{Delta}]

Well, let me see. Based on the question your yourself have doubt that it should be retained and would like others to cast thier vote. Some will say shut it down, others will say keep it open, but I reccomend let it do what most threads do, drift into the stream of time with the rest and become burried.


Pro life threads eh? On life support waiting for the touch sickle bearer.



Oh. Probably not.

[Garfunkel]

close this thread already, stop the violence! cant we all just get along?

there is nothing new at all here, just a stupid site knowing nothing about RAM, is 700mhz ddr, was 700mhz ddr and probably will forever be 700ddr!

[Generosity of God]

why are people talking about PS3 specs?
we know its powerful.
we know its games will look as good as xbox 360 at the very least. (unless there are some horrible developers working on it.)

if your not a tech nut there isnt really any need to know system specs. just that the system you are looking at is graphically going to be good.

how can we know if we dont know the specs? well if you look at PS2/GC/Xbox gen, graphics were starting to get pretty good. just know that its going to be better. and then further along the system's life its going to get even better.

leave specs to developers and tech nuts.

[makeitlookreal]

Look at some of the other threads that are not exactly super-appropriate that have been started by individuals other than myself! A thread is a thread and if you don't want to comment on it you don't have to, but then again if you want to that is great!

Specifications are very important to many of us, and just because they may not be important to you does not mean that we should not be allowed to discuss them.

By the way, some of us are not willing to pay 599 for simply "good" games. For that kind of money we expect the absolute very best that gaming has to offer!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

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[VG Aficionado]

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[venomv]

Why does everyone insist on locking half the thread here?

[VG Aficionado]

Because it's totally pointless?

[=NukeBlaze=]

For that kind of money we expect the absolute very best that gaming has to offer!


Its an computer entertianment system, not a gamming system, wink wink.

I am curious to see how they handle thermal management. My worse fear is all of these "next gen" consoles are going to get thier fine-fin heatsinks cloged within a year or so. Of course it would depend on enviroment, but it still occours even I the cleanest of rooms, unless of course it is a bunny suit room.

[Coded-Dude]

my 7900GT runs at almost 1500mhz, but this is good news

[makeitlookreal]

NukeBlaze,

I wonder if the PS3 will be easy to take apart and clean? When I was in high school in technology class I was given the duty for several days (it was actually my choice because I volunteered) to open up all of the computers and vacuum the dust, dirt, and grime out of them. At the time, I was told doing so is very important to the lifespan of a computer.

Perhaps we will be able to take the PS3 apart every so often for regular cleanings?

Dude,

What is also going to be neat is to see exactly what other differences there are in the RSX compared to the 7900. After all this time if the unit is basically the same thing as the PC version it would be upsetting. There have to be some differences after Sony repeatedly boasted how unique it was, the huge ammount of research done on it, etc.

[Infernal]

Why does everyone insist on locking half the thread here?
Whats the purpose of this thread? I could make a thread saying "PS3 confirmed to have an HDD!!!" seems pointless doesnt it...

[venomv]

Yes, but if people are talking they may as well keep it open, and if people stop caring it will fall off the first page, which may as well make it locked.