makeitlookreal
05-13-2006, 09:59 PM
(Please do not delete this topic, because if a downright insulting (but I do not consider truly attacking) article can be posted on the front of E-mpire then this should be allowed too.)
CPIASMINC,
I will say that was creative, funny, and original. Let me also say that you are a good writer!
I disagree with the content however. I STRONGLY disagree.
The truth of the matter is that some of us realize we as consumers need to let the manufacturers of products we may possibly purchase know exactly what we want. In the end will it actually matter? Probably not, but it very well could if enough of us with money to spend speak loudly enough!
Obviously, we all want great graphics. However, it seems some of us are suddenly reluctant to even politely urge game designers and companies to do their very best to make supurb looking games. For goodness sakes, if a company releases a target render the least we should do is continue peacefully commenting that we *really* hope they will reach it or our dollars, yen, and euros might be spent by the company that can produce a product of that quality!
CPIASMINC, please let me admit a few things to you. I am not an overly gifted person, good looking, or overly intelligent. In fact, my cranium is folically challenged! But I am NOT a child.
The truth of the matter is that a young child accepts just about any toy he or she is given and does not critically examine it. For goodness sakes, my best friend's three year old son climbs to the top of the entertainment center to play with the XBox and Gamecube games. He will climb up there and grab the games he loves! However, he doesn't put them in a console. He holds them up, tosses them about a bit, and then proceeds to chew on them. One day he loudly proclaimed the game he loved by lifting it into the air, boldly proclaiming the bite marks he put on it, and saying as only a three year old can, "Daddy! I got Duke Boy's! I got the Duke Boy's!"
An adult recognizes the worth of a product and decides if it is worth his or her hard earned money. The worth of a product to every person is different, but to some of us a game is not worth very much unless the graphics are superb! If they are not up that level of quality we will simply let those other consumers who are happy with whatever developers happen to release and call the "latest and greatest" buy the games we don't want!
I'm not a child and don't have a problem with reality. The fact of the matter is that with the PS3 great graphical effects are possible and that has been made clear this E3. We have seen great backgrounds, we have seen some great looking realistic characters, and we have seen great looking special effects in games. But very few have been able to bring all of these various elements together, at least so far!
I know you are a developer or are close to the developing community. Quite frankly, I am impressed with the knowledge individuals such as yourself have accumilated. It takes an extensive knowledge of computing, coding, programming, artistry, story telling, and more to create a game. So when I suggest that a game does not look up to the standards I want it to please don't take that as a personal insult.
First of all, any developer knows much more than myself about the details of game making. I honestly have confidence that with the power of the PS3 you guys can pull off at lot more than what we have seen so far.
Secondly, I am only giving my opinion and the truth about how I plan to spend my dollars as a consumer. I am not your boss, your master, or some punk forcing you to do anything. But if the games don't meet the quality I want the truth is that I will simply not buy them.
Thirdly, the comments are just as much directed to the companies financing these games to encourage them to give YOU GUYS the resources that are needed to make the best games possible. Perhaps they need to PAY you guys more so that you can focus more on the game and less on the bills sitting at home. Additionally, maybe they need to hire a few more of you guys so perhaps the games could be made with wide awake people instead of people going through sleep depravation? Finally, could it be the company is not spending enough on the game? If they want us to buy it they need to spend what it takes!
You may not like my suggestions or the fact I am willing to demand only high quality visually realistic games to spend my dollars on. Indeed, the more individuals such as myself that exist to purchase only the best looking titles the less popular and financially rewarding easier to create games will become. It is even possible that smaller gaming companies may go out of business if powerful consoles eventually make realistic games more common place. Personally, I don't wish lack of employment of financial hardship on anyone but this is a free market and if the personal choices of myself and others force certain gaming companies to shape up or shutdown then it is simply a natural economic process for the industry.
I do not have disease, a mental disfunction, or a complete loss of sanity as you have suggested. The fact is that myself and others have high standards when it comes to the games we want to purchase is only a sign of maturity and being a very savy consumer. We are not deluded by thinking the PS3 or any other current console will make perfection, true 100% pixel perfect photorealism, or a "real-world" simulator. But we are determined to remain confident if the resources are utilized in the form of time, talent, manhours, and cold hard cash that supurb games equal to any prerendered "target" of last E3 can indeed be produced in real-time.
The innovations that create the substance of "next-gen" won't be brought about by those who are only willing to work for those things that are easy to achieve and reasonable to expect, but by those who will surge forward to accomplish the feats considered difficult by all. This is the reason why we demand the best and are not willing to accept the mediocre!
Additionally, in a competitive industry such as this one if a company knows that a sub-par game can reap the same profits as one that took more money and resources to produce they will sacrifice the quality of the product in a heartbeat. Obviously, they are not having a powwow in the middle of the desert plotting how they are going to cheat the consumer. But it makes perfect business sense to give the LEAST to get the MOST back. If they think that by giving LESS in game quality they can just just as much or MORE back they WILL INDEED DO SO.
Now, this is where people like myself come in. I personally hope that if enough people such as myself peacefully, politely, and nicely make it heard across the internet that we will only accept the best and mediocre graphics are NOT enough to satisfy us that game companies will produce better products. This is not ridiculous, insane, or stupid. It is a reality, but will only have a measurable effect when enough people start speaking their mind and letting the collective voice of their wallets echo loudly across the gaming world!
I need to clear up one more issue here. I have nothing against other styles of games that are not intended to be realistic, but I am simply not interested in them myself. For those that love animated games or simply don't mind games with a lower quality of graphics I urge you to spend your dollars however you see fit on the consoles and game titles that will make you personally happy! But if you are not satisfied with the quality so far of a title in progress, the quality of an already released title, or with the specifications of a console please speak up! Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, or any game developer you can name does NOT pay your bills! You owe them absolutely nothing and will be doing them a favor by purchasing their products. If there is something you see needs to be changed please be bold enough to be a keen consumer and ASK! They don't have to do anything at all. It is their company and their products. But as a consumer if you speak up and others follow the same path it will make a difference. However, remember to back up your words by letting them know you have dollars that might be spent on their products.
CPIASMINC, please realize that consumers have a right to speak up about such issues. Of course you have the right to be upset if that is your choice, and you don't even have to listen to them. But people have the right to speak their minds JUST AS MUCH when they are making a CRITICISM as when they are PRAISING a product. They should be not be hateful, rude, or downright disrespectful but their opinions are just as valid.
Amazing realistic graphics are possible this generation. High quality CHARACTERS, EFFECTS, and high quality BACKGROUNDS at the SAME-TIME are not pipe-dreams. They will take time, manpower, talent, resources, and money. But it is now obvious that much of what YOU claim is impossible to believe in, irrational to consider, or insane to expect is indeed VERY possible! Is it a 100% certainty? Of course not! But there have been enough graphical examples of sheer aw this early on in the life of the PS3 to encourage me and others to urge others to produce the *best* they can! And in doing so we can expect at *least* much more than we have seen so far!
In conclusion, the future is coming and if we boldly but politely demand the best and don't fear offending someone by in a nice way urging them to produce the best product possible then we will have a true NEXT-GEN gaming age much, much sooner!
CPIASMINC, you seem like a good person, an intelligent person, and a talented person. I wish you the very best in all of your game developing efforts, but I can't say that I appreciate the content of your article on E-mpire. If you truly think you have a counter point to offer on exactly why with current technology a certain ammount of realism or graphical perfect is not possible please share it by an attempt to educate us with the vast knowledge you possess. However, your response makes me think that the demand for beautiful and graphical supurb games has actually hit a more personal nerve ending. Your a great write and the article was funny, but I believe many of us could see through it. I have tried to be polite and reasonable in this response, and hope that I have not said anything personally rude or hateful to you.
Best wishes for your future success and happiness.
Makeitlookreal
CPIASMINC,
I will say that was creative, funny, and original. Let me also say that you are a good writer!
I disagree with the content however. I STRONGLY disagree.
The truth of the matter is that some of us realize we as consumers need to let the manufacturers of products we may possibly purchase know exactly what we want. In the end will it actually matter? Probably not, but it very well could if enough of us with money to spend speak loudly enough!
Obviously, we all want great graphics. However, it seems some of us are suddenly reluctant to even politely urge game designers and companies to do their very best to make supurb looking games. For goodness sakes, if a company releases a target render the least we should do is continue peacefully commenting that we *really* hope they will reach it or our dollars, yen, and euros might be spent by the company that can produce a product of that quality!
CPIASMINC, please let me admit a few things to you. I am not an overly gifted person, good looking, or overly intelligent. In fact, my cranium is folically challenged! But I am NOT a child.
The truth of the matter is that a young child accepts just about any toy he or she is given and does not critically examine it. For goodness sakes, my best friend's three year old son climbs to the top of the entertainment center to play with the XBox and Gamecube games. He will climb up there and grab the games he loves! However, he doesn't put them in a console. He holds them up, tosses them about a bit, and then proceeds to chew on them. One day he loudly proclaimed the game he loved by lifting it into the air, boldly proclaiming the bite marks he put on it, and saying as only a three year old can, "Daddy! I got Duke Boy's! I got the Duke Boy's!"
An adult recognizes the worth of a product and decides if it is worth his or her hard earned money. The worth of a product to every person is different, but to some of us a game is not worth very much unless the graphics are superb! If they are not up that level of quality we will simply let those other consumers who are happy with whatever developers happen to release and call the "latest and greatest" buy the games we don't want!
I'm not a child and don't have a problem with reality. The fact of the matter is that with the PS3 great graphical effects are possible and that has been made clear this E3. We have seen great backgrounds, we have seen some great looking realistic characters, and we have seen great looking special effects in games. But very few have been able to bring all of these various elements together, at least so far!
I know you are a developer or are close to the developing community. Quite frankly, I am impressed with the knowledge individuals such as yourself have accumilated. It takes an extensive knowledge of computing, coding, programming, artistry, story telling, and more to create a game. So when I suggest that a game does not look up to the standards I want it to please don't take that as a personal insult.
First of all, any developer knows much more than myself about the details of game making. I honestly have confidence that with the power of the PS3 you guys can pull off at lot more than what we have seen so far.
Secondly, I am only giving my opinion and the truth about how I plan to spend my dollars as a consumer. I am not your boss, your master, or some punk forcing you to do anything. But if the games don't meet the quality I want the truth is that I will simply not buy them.
Thirdly, the comments are just as much directed to the companies financing these games to encourage them to give YOU GUYS the resources that are needed to make the best games possible. Perhaps they need to PAY you guys more so that you can focus more on the game and less on the bills sitting at home. Additionally, maybe they need to hire a few more of you guys so perhaps the games could be made with wide awake people instead of people going through sleep depravation? Finally, could it be the company is not spending enough on the game? If they want us to buy it they need to spend what it takes!
You may not like my suggestions or the fact I am willing to demand only high quality visually realistic games to spend my dollars on. Indeed, the more individuals such as myself that exist to purchase only the best looking titles the less popular and financially rewarding easier to create games will become. It is even possible that smaller gaming companies may go out of business if powerful consoles eventually make realistic games more common place. Personally, I don't wish lack of employment of financial hardship on anyone but this is a free market and if the personal choices of myself and others force certain gaming companies to shape up or shutdown then it is simply a natural economic process for the industry.
I do not have disease, a mental disfunction, or a complete loss of sanity as you have suggested. The fact is that myself and others have high standards when it comes to the games we want to purchase is only a sign of maturity and being a very savy consumer. We are not deluded by thinking the PS3 or any other current console will make perfection, true 100% pixel perfect photorealism, or a "real-world" simulator. But we are determined to remain confident if the resources are utilized in the form of time, talent, manhours, and cold hard cash that supurb games equal to any prerendered "target" of last E3 can indeed be produced in real-time.
The innovations that create the substance of "next-gen" won't be brought about by those who are only willing to work for those things that are easy to achieve and reasonable to expect, but by those who will surge forward to accomplish the feats considered difficult by all. This is the reason why we demand the best and are not willing to accept the mediocre!
Additionally, in a competitive industry such as this one if a company knows that a sub-par game can reap the same profits as one that took more money and resources to produce they will sacrifice the quality of the product in a heartbeat. Obviously, they are not having a powwow in the middle of the desert plotting how they are going to cheat the consumer. But it makes perfect business sense to give the LEAST to get the MOST back. If they think that by giving LESS in game quality they can just just as much or MORE back they WILL INDEED DO SO.
Now, this is where people like myself come in. I personally hope that if enough people such as myself peacefully, politely, and nicely make it heard across the internet that we will only accept the best and mediocre graphics are NOT enough to satisfy us that game companies will produce better products. This is not ridiculous, insane, or stupid. It is a reality, but will only have a measurable effect when enough people start speaking their mind and letting the collective voice of their wallets echo loudly across the gaming world!
I need to clear up one more issue here. I have nothing against other styles of games that are not intended to be realistic, but I am simply not interested in them myself. For those that love animated games or simply don't mind games with a lower quality of graphics I urge you to spend your dollars however you see fit on the consoles and game titles that will make you personally happy! But if you are not satisfied with the quality so far of a title in progress, the quality of an already released title, or with the specifications of a console please speak up! Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, or any game developer you can name does NOT pay your bills! You owe them absolutely nothing and will be doing them a favor by purchasing their products. If there is something you see needs to be changed please be bold enough to be a keen consumer and ASK! They don't have to do anything at all. It is their company and their products. But as a consumer if you speak up and others follow the same path it will make a difference. However, remember to back up your words by letting them know you have dollars that might be spent on their products.
CPIASMINC, please realize that consumers have a right to speak up about such issues. Of course you have the right to be upset if that is your choice, and you don't even have to listen to them. But people have the right to speak their minds JUST AS MUCH when they are making a CRITICISM as when they are PRAISING a product. They should be not be hateful, rude, or downright disrespectful but their opinions are just as valid.
Amazing realistic graphics are possible this generation. High quality CHARACTERS, EFFECTS, and high quality BACKGROUNDS at the SAME-TIME are not pipe-dreams. They will take time, manpower, talent, resources, and money. But it is now obvious that much of what YOU claim is impossible to believe in, irrational to consider, or insane to expect is indeed VERY possible! Is it a 100% certainty? Of course not! But there have been enough graphical examples of sheer aw this early on in the life of the PS3 to encourage me and others to urge others to produce the *best* they can! And in doing so we can expect at *least* much more than we have seen so far!
In conclusion, the future is coming and if we boldly but politely demand the best and don't fear offending someone by in a nice way urging them to produce the best product possible then we will have a true NEXT-GEN gaming age much, much sooner!
CPIASMINC, you seem like a good person, an intelligent person, and a talented person. I wish you the very best in all of your game developing efforts, but I can't say that I appreciate the content of your article on E-mpire. If you truly think you have a counter point to offer on exactly why with current technology a certain ammount of realism or graphical perfect is not possible please share it by an attempt to educate us with the vast knowledge you possess. However, your response makes me think that the demand for beautiful and graphical supurb games has actually hit a more personal nerve ending. Your a great write and the article was funny, but I believe many of us could see through it. I have tried to be polite and reasonable in this response, and hope that I have not said anything personally rude or hateful to you.
Best wishes for your future success and happiness.
Makeitlookreal