Playstation 3: The Reasons why it will be number 1! please respond!!!

[blackblood]

1. I'm not a fanboy i like 360 and ps3 , i don't like the wii.
Now people know that sony is number 1 and when your in that position competitors are gonna do and/or say anything to make the press/consumers go against who's number 1.
2. Sony did not copy off the wii controller at all. Truthfully i feel that everyone has copied or borrowed things from sony and realistically all competitors study there competiton in one way or another form.
3. The eyetoy is built off of your motion and the game senses that and eyetoy has been out way before the WII was thought of. Truthfully the nintendo wii is mainly a eyetoy with a controller instead of just your body movement look at games such as anti-grav, boxing , all these titles you use your body movement with nintendos controller it's the same thing but with a remote and analong in your hand. to me nintendo WII is just something to play with occasionally but not extensivley for hours at a time.
4. sony still has more games and more exclusives such as metal gear 4, final fantasy 13, tekken 6, Resistance, and much much more and those reasons are why people will still get the ps3.
5. microsoft questions ps3 price tag but truthfully when you buy a ps3 you get 1. Operating System built in making it a full fledge pc.
2. the ethernet port transfer at a gigabit rate which is much faster than what we currently use at our homes which is still in the megabit category.
3. blu - ray playback and as time goes on you'll notice why videogames on blu ray will be better than games on standard dvd's just like videogames on CD-roms had it's limitations DVD's will have there limitations. 4. Web Browser out of the box you can go and search online with a console for the first time ever that's amazing. 5. the psp and ps3 connectivity works together as one. 6. ps one and ps2 titles in hi def imagine playing god of war 2 on ps3 in hi def amazing. 7. Free Online Service which matches if not surpassess but that remains to be seen the popular xbox live. 8. the system charges the controller via USB port so no buying a play and charge kit. 9. Motion Sensors in the controller opens up more ways to play games and still by choice you can play the regular and the controller is still the best out there. rumble is great still but at the same time it's not new and new is what people look for in next gen titles. 10. So far the games aren't even complete and they look close to the E3 showings of 2005 which is very impressive. 11. this e3 what people aren't noticing is that what did microsoft show that was new? because the things they talked about we knew they were coming! such as the hd-dvd player, halo 3 news, forza news, nothing new about xbox live was spoke upon, gears of war we knew about that so what did they show new besides a couple of accessories you know what i mean, as opposed to sony who showed a new controller as far as what it does , new games such as eight days, the untitled game with that guy running in the jungle, Full Auto 2, Evelon, etc... the new eye toy game eye of judgement which is revolutionary you know all these things.
As far as price goes people can say it costs too much but that's because they look at as just a gaming machine but that's now what sony is selling the ps3 as they selling it as a entertainment system and yes it's known more for games and the games are there but for what you get at that price tag is amazing especially with a built in harddrive as well. The 360 is a cheap way of doing things here's an example. the HD -DVD is a add-on 9 times out of 10 add-ons don't do well and we people buy products they don't wanna buy anything else for that product to enhance it it all should be there the first time you buy unless it's accessories such as controllers or what not. also with the hd dvd player that would make the 360 the same price as ps3 if it was built in and people would have still gotten it.
My point in this whole discussion is to show people that sony is still number 1 for these reasons i've listed and when you buy a ps3 that's all you need for pure entertainment and that's what next gen is all about, games, music, movies, digital distrubution, media applications, firmware upgrades ala the psp all packaged for 600 dollars i'll be getting that on the first day, and plus all you have to do is pre-order it and when november comes you don't have to pay anything take care and please respond

[mark297]

What did Nintendo or Microsoft copy off Sony?

I know sony has copied key components of the nowaday controller off of nintendo. Nintendo and ms might have copied in small ways that no one notices or cares about when Sony copies things like anologs, triggers and motion sensitivity.

And also, video game consoles were made to play video games, not do all this other crap. Why would someone want to pay 700 dollars to do stuff that their computer can already do?

700 dollars is what you have to pay for a ps3 and a game. Its 250 for a Wii and a game. And the Wii has better gameplay than the ps3 for an incredibly cheaper price. The only thing that the ps3 has is superior graphics in games. But since it can do some much other stuff you probably will be too busy to play the games themselves anyways.

[xbdestroya]

Blackblood I think you're drinking a little too much of the Sony Kool-aid. ;)

Sony will definitely be in for a fight this gen, and there can be no confusion on this point. What qualifies as '#1' is different in different cases, but I do think clearly PS3 is packing the most in.

Whether Sony ends up selling the most consoles this gen or not is something we'll have to wait and see - it's way too early to call a winner. But if they have sold ~100 million PS3's five years into things, than by any measure it will have been a success.

Also - welcome to the forum, though I see you've actually been a member for a little over a year now. :smoke:

@Mark: I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself as well.

[Junox50]

And the Wii has better gameplay than the ps3 for an incredibly cheaper price. The only thing that the ps3 has is superior graphics in games.

Definatly not true. I think someone's been drinking a little too much Nintendo kool-aid as well.

[julps31]

What did Nintendo or Microsoft copy off Sony?

I know sony has copied key components of the nowaday controller off of nintendo. Nintendo and ms might have copied in small ways that no one notices or cares about when Sony copies things like anologs, triggers and motion sensitivity.

And also, video game consoles were made to play video games, not do all this other crap. Why would someone want to pay 700 dollars to do stuff that their computer can already do?

700 dollars is what you have to pay for a ps3 and a game. Its 250 for a Wii and a game. And the Wii has better gameplay than the ps3 for an incredibly cheaper price. The only thing that the ps3 has is superior graphics in games. But since it can do some much other stuff you probably will be too busy to play the games themselves anyways.Okay..why are you trying to defend MS and Nintendo anyway? You act like they're the good guys and Sony's the bad guys. Sony's just trying to be innovative by creating a console that can do it all. I think your forgetting that the PS2 and the x-box had a DVD player...since "games aren't supposed to do all that other crap".

And the Wii has better gameplay than the ps3 for an incredibly cheaper price.You sound so ignorant its not even funny. A controller does not make a game..thats for sure. The games makes the console...not a controller. The controller wont make every game on the console a great game.

I think your being a lil too defensive man. Blackblood obviously is a Sony fanboy (and your obviously a Nintendo fanboy) so theres no need to put Sony down for his comments. I know you feel a need to defend your favorite console but be realistic and ethical about it instead of using childish finger pointing.

[VG Aficionado]

I know sony has copied key components of the nowaday controller off of nintendo. Nintendo and ms might have copied in small ways that no one notices or cares about when Sony copies things like anologs, triggers and motion sensitivity.How funny, here's a 1999 Sony patent of a PS1 controller with motion sensitivity:

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4732/tiltcontrollerdiagram7wm.jpg

And now tell me Nintendo created analog sticks and triggers while posting proof that there wasn't anything like that before on any platform :heybaby:

And also, video game consoles were made to play video games, not do all this other crap. Why would someone want to pay 700 dollars to do stuff that their computer can already do?Whatever man, that didn't help the Gamecube. Besides, who ever said PS3 was just a games console? Consumers like convergence. Not all of them, but convergence sells much more than dedicated systems.

700 dollars is what you have to pay for a ps3 and a game. Its 250 for a Wii and a game. And the Wii has better gameplay than the ps3 for an incredibly cheaper price. The only thing that the ps3 has is superior graphics in games. But since it can do some much other stuff you probably will be too busy to play the games themselves anyways.You seem sooo sure of yourself when you haven't played either console :drunk: :tardbang: You didn't need to come to the PS3 board and tell us all that PS3 sucks and Wii rocks, which is quite a subjective point of view.

[blackblood]

Thands for your reponses I appreciate that my thing is that everyone is bashing sony and it's funny too me because sony was the first to have a dvd player built in the ps2 , and you see microsoft with it, ps2 was built to have a hard drive but as a add on it didn't work well but still it came with the hard drive slot, microsoft did that don't get me wrong they did it better just like how sony did the analong use better than nintendo , but all these companies to me are not showing there vision but expanding on sony vision since that vision is the successful one ps one 100 million ps2 a little more than a 100 mil in half the time you can't help but to notice that as a competitor. if everyone cared about games and only games then sony would be the only system with all these other functions and features, keep in mind ps2 had usb ports as well and fire wire all these things are now standard in the next gen because sony started that trend so now when you think of playstation you think of entertainment instead of only videogames and that's exactly whay microsoft is doing nintendo remains being nintendo and that's great but at the same time that's why there in last place and microsoft is in 2nd please respond thanks aight

[blackblood]

I'm not a sony fanboy i have 360 and i'm waiting to get the ps3 after super nintendo i wasn't a fan no more of nintendo n64 i like the wrestling games on that and goldeneye that was it but i like sony and microsoft if people was talking bad about microsoft i would say things in microsoft defense as well but since everyone is jumping on sony then i'm a explain certain things that i see and to me sony is my favorite system sega use to be but since ps one i've been a fan you know and i still am but i do love games period and i just think certain things don't make sense like at e3 05 microsoft showed alot of trailers and project gotham looks great but not as good as the trailer, dead or alive looks like the xbox version just a little cleaner and i do have a hdtv so i know how it looks you know madden 06 the gameplay was horrible, and the only game that stood out was call of duty 2 , kameo, nba 2k6 was nice but that's my point some things that microsoft say about sony they did them selves and sony ps3 games look real impressive for an early build so far and also sony complained about microsoft about having 2 sku's and sony is doing it you know so either way i love games and i just speak to you guys to get some feed back and your thoughts that's all thanks again and please respond

[jaxmkii]

What did Nintendo or Microsoft copy off Sony?

I know sony has copied key components of the nowaday controller off of nintendo. Nintendo and ms might have copied in small ways that no one notices or cares about when Sony copies things like anologs, triggers and motion sensitivity.

And also, video game consoles were made to play video games, not do all this other crap. Why would someone want to pay 700 dollars to do stuff that their computer can already do?

700 dollars is what you have to pay for a ps3 and a game. Its 250 for a Wii and a game. And the Wii has better gameplay than the ps3 for an incredibly cheaper price. The only thing that the ps3 has is superior graphics in games. But since it can do some much other stuff you probably will be too busy to play the games themselves anyways. 700usd??? its 599... and gameplay is opinion not a fact dont state it like it is (i have never seen "it supports 50 terraplays")

i know alot of you nintedow guys are nervos but that dont mean you have to start acting like Xboys

[woundingchaney]

What did Nintendo or Microsoft copy off Sony?

I know sony has copied key components of the nowaday controller off of nintendo. Nintendo and ms might have copied in small ways that no one notices or cares about when Sony copies things like anologs, triggers and motion sensitivity.

And also, video game consoles were made to play video games, not do all this other crap. Why would someone want to pay 700 dollars to do stuff that their computer can already do?

700 dollars is what you have to pay for a ps3 and a game. Its 250 for a Wii and a game. And the Wii has better gameplay than the ps3 for an incredibly cheaper price. The only thing that the ps3 has is superior graphics in games. But since it can do some much other stuff you probably will be too busy to play the games themselves anyways.

Im not real big on a 600 dollar price tag to cover all these features either but its there and once you look at the package 600 isnt bad for a console and a BR player (although Im not very big on using a console as a movie player, it will suffice until a winner of the optical format war is declared and stand alone players are more affordable).

In all honesty I think the Wii remote/controller may be the downfall of the system.

[jaxmkii]

How funny, here's a 1999 Sony patent of a PS1 controller with motion sensitivity:

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4732/tiltcontrollerdiagram7wm.jpg

And now tell me Nintendo created analog sticks and triggers while posting proof that there wasn't anything like that before on any platform :heybaby:

Whatever man, that didn't help the Gamecube. Besides, who ever said PS3 was just a games console? Consumers like convergence. Not all of them, but convergence sells much more than dedicated systems.

You seem sooo sure of yourself when you haven't played either console :drunk: :tardbang: You didn't need to come to the PS3 board and tell us all that PS3 sucks and Wii rocks, which is quite a subjective point of view. dude you need to start a thread about this "DS3 pattented since 1999!" to stop this "sony copied nintendo" BS just cause nitendo advertised it first dint mean they came up with it.

[xbdestroya]

dude you need to start a thread about this "DS3 pattented since 1999!" to stop this "sony copied nintendo" BS just cause nitendo advertised it first dint mean they came up with it.

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=56491

[julps31]

I'm not a sony fanboy i have 360 and i'm waiting to get the ps3 after super nintendo i wasn't a fan no more of nintendo n64 i like the wrestling games on that and goldeneye that was it but i like sony and microsoft if people was talking bad about microsoft i would say things in microsoft defense as well but since everyone is jumping on sony then i'm a explain certain things that i see and to me sony is my favorite system sega use to be but since ps one i've been a fan you know and i still am but i do love games period and i just think certain things don't make sense like at e3 05 microsoft showed alot of trailers and project gotham looks great but not as good as the trailer, dead or alive looks like the xbox version just a little cleaner and i do have a hdtv so i know how it looks you know madden 06 the gameplay was horrible, and the only game that stood out was call of duty 2 , kameo, nba 2k6 was nice but that's my point some things that microsoft say about sony they did them selves and sony ps3 games look real impressive for an early build so far and also sony complained about microsoft about having 2 sku's and sony is doing it you know so either way i love games and i just speak to you guys to get some feed back and your thoughts that's all thanks again and please respondBlackBlood i suggest that you start seperating your post into paragrahs or at least skipping lines because its hard to read all in one huge paragraph lol. But i know where coming from.

[cliffbo]

What did Nintendo or Microsoft copy off Sony?

Microsoft are copying the eyetoy.

Nintendo are copying the concept of gaming with movement. eyetoy does it better though. 1999 patent (Sony motion sensing joystick) guess they settled for eyetoy because it was more innovative.

[Sandman]

2. Sony did not copy off the wii controller at all. Truthfully i feel that everyone has copied or borrowed things from sony and realistically all competitors study there competiton in one way or another form.I personally think that while Sony didn't copy off of Nintendo's idea, they had no plans on using motion sensing yet until the Wii controller was met with approval. Microsoft potentially copied DVD playback from the PS2, but that's really the only thing I can think of that was copied. (maybe dual analog sticks and internal rumblers though)

3. The eyetoy is built off of your motion and the game senses that and eyetoy has been out way before the WII was thought of. Truthfully the nintendo wii is mainly a eyetoy with a controller instead of just your body movement look at games such as anti-grav, boxing , all these titles you use your body movement with nintendos controller it's the same thing but with a remote and analong in your hand. to me nintendo WII is just something to play with occasionally but not extensivley for hours at a time.Yes, you're correct but EyeToy works much differently than Wii. It cannot sense many things that Wii can (such as tilting) and it is nowhere close to being able to play traditional games because there are no buttons to press or analog sticks to use. However, Nintendo may have seen the success of the EyeToy and realized they could try to do something new along similar lines, and I can see that.
4. sony still has more games and more exclusives such as metal gear 4, final fantasy 13, tekken 6, Resistance, and much much more and those reasons are why people will still get the ps3.Sony does have MANY exclusives, there is no denying that. However, the amount of games might be lower for once because of the costs of game production for PS3 games. Smaller developers will have a tough time making a PS3 game. And Wii and Xbox 360 are securing many exclusives (many Wii games HAVE to be exclusive due to the controller and lackluster graphics).
5. microsoft questions ps3 price tag but truthfully when you buy a ps3 you get 1. Operating System built in making it a full fledge pc.
2. the ethernet port transfer at a gigabit rate which is much faster than what we currently use at our homes which is still in the megabit category.
3. blu - ray playback and as time goes on you'll notice why videogames on blu ray will be better than games on standard dvd's just like videogames on CD-roms had it's limitations DVD's will have there limitations. 4. Web Browser out of the box you can go and search online with a console for the first time ever that's amazing. 5. the psp and ps3 connectivity works together as one.
1. To me and many other people, they reason they play consoles is because it is easier to get into the games than a PC. A PC interface seems to just complicate things. Most families that will own a PS3 will already own a PC anyways, so this seems unneccesary to me, although I will admit it is a pretty cool addition.
2. The ethernet port may have that capability, but how many ISPs allow for it to go that fast anyways? And for LAN, its already fast enough to allow completely smooth gamplay although being faster certainly is welcome.
3. Blu-ray is one of the coolest features of the PS3 but it is also part of the reason why it is so expensive. Some people think that they could have just used DVD's and had a Blu-ray attachment or something because Blu-ray is not neccesary to play great games (Oblivion for X360 is DVD and still on 1 disc).
4. Web browser = awesome. No complaints about that whatsoever.
5. PSP + PS3 is another awesome feature, and didn't they announce a capability to play PlayStation games with the PSP using the PS3's download service? That is sweet if true.

6. ps one and ps2 titles in hi def imagine playing god of war 2 on ps3 in hi def amazing.PS1 and PS2 games were not made with HD capabilites. I'm pretty sure that playing them on an HDTV will not affect the looks of the games. (I could be mistaken)

7. Free Online Service which matches if not surpassess but that remains to be seen the popular xbox live.True dat, ;).

8. the system charges the controller via USB port so no buying a play and charge kit. Another great feature.

9. Motion Sensors in the controller opens up more ways to play games and still by choice you can play the regular and the controller is still the best out there. rumble is great still but at the same time it's not new and new is what people look for in next gen titles.I think this one goes both ways. Motion sensing is an awesome capability but it cannot be used for every type of game. Rumble is an element which can help immerse gamers in the game world, and it CAN be used for every game.

10. So far the games aren't even complete and they look close to the E3 showings of 2005 which is very impressive. Agreed. The E3 2005 renderings seemed very hard to hit, but I will say the E3 2006 were MUCH closer than I expected them to be, although they weren't perfect.

As far as price goes people can say it costs too much but that's because they look at as just a gaming machine but that's now what sony is selling the ps3 as they selling it as a entertainment system and yes it's known more for games and the games are there but for what you get at that price tag is amazing especially with a built in harddrive as well. The 360 is a cheap way of doing things here's an example. the HD -DVD is a add-on 9 times out of 10 add-ons don't do well and we people buy products they don't wanna buy anything else for that product to enhance it it all should be there the first time you buy unless it's accessories such as controllers or what not. also with the hd dvd player that would make the 360 the same price as ps3 if it was built in and people would have still gotten it.You sort of already said what I was going to say, but yes if people want an entertainment system PS3 is the way to go. However DVD's are still selling plenty well and there are no Blu-ray players on the market yet and I don't expect Blu-rays to become popular until towards the middle or end of PS3's lifetime (and by that time better and cheaper Blu-ray players may be out). That is why I like Microsoft allowing gamers to buy a HD-DVD addon. It may not sell well, but if people don't want the capability, at least they're not stuck with paying a huge price for it. Also, many people may not want an entertainment hub but just rather a game machine.

My point in this whole discussion is to show people that sony is still number 1 for these reasons i've listed and when you buy a ps3 that's all you need for pure entertainment and that's what next gen is all about, games, music, movies, digital distrubution, media applications, firmware upgrades ala the psp all packaged for 600 dollars i'll be getting that on the first day, and plus all you have to do is pre-order it and when november comes you don't have to pay anything take care and please respondYou made alot of good points, but I still don't think we can call PS3 #1 yet. I think they have a great shot of doing it again because of the PlayStation branding, but it has yet to be proven. Thanks for the really thought out post.

[cliffbo]

calling all Sony fans. DESTROY anyone who tries to put Sony down. its about time that we cleaned these forums up the good old way. i'm getting so fed up with constant negativity. hit them with the truth, hit them hard!!!

[xbdestroya]

Guys let's all stop throwing wood on the fanboy fires here - Blackblood and Mark got things started off on the wrong foot, and I don't think this thread is the best place to put the consoles through their paces.

Anyone who doubts the Wii's ability to break Nintendo out of their rut, get that out of your heads right now - it's 'cool' to like the Wii at this point, the 'kiddie' image has for the moment been shaken, and the line to demo the Wii was probably longer at points than every other line at the entire expo combined.

So... Nintendo deserves their due.

Microsoft; they did well for themselves, better than people thought they would. They deserve props also.

Sony came out of this weaker than they were going in - I think it's a semi-vulnerable time for them because media support is not going to be in their camp for the immediate future. The console's strong though, and I think if they can expand upon and show us some of the non-gaming functionality users will get in addition to the rest of it - maybe at TGS or something - it will help win over consumers.

At this point PS3 will definitely be the system of 'physics' and probably just better graphics on the whole as time goes on, but for people interested only in games, there will be a mental barrier set up by the additional $100/$200 over 360. I think just seeing some of the shock reactions on this board alone has to at least justify that viewpoint as a factor going forward.

I'm getting the system at launch, and it's going to sell out no doubt. It's six months after launch though that the high price may start to make a (negative) difference to it's sales.

[xbdestroya]

calling all Sony fans. DESTROY anyone who tries to put Sony down. its about time that we cleaned these forums up the good old way. i'm getting so fed up with constant negativity. hit them with the truth, hit them hard!!!

Uh, no. Don't do that.

(what is the 'truth' anyway?)

[julps31]

Nice unbiased post Kevin... :thumbl: Now go and give some of your ethics to Mark297 lol.

[Junox50]

Uh, no. Don't do that.

(what is the 'truth' anyway?)

You know, truth. Havent you seen those anti smoking cigarette ads on the internet and TV?

[BugenhagenXIII]

4. Web Browser out of the box you can go and search online with a console for the first time ever that's amazing.

Dreamcast had a browser. I don't remember if it worked out of the box or not, but it had one.

[venomv]

It wasn't out of the box, at least not to my knowledge.

[masteratt]

You had to purchase a CD to activate it and then register and then blah blah...It was a lot of hussle for a crappy 56K 'browser'.

[Domination]

First off, it is these reasons alone why i never went on predicting outcomes for either competitor. Anything can happen.


What did Nintendo or Microsoft copy off Sony?

I know sony has copied key components of the nowaday controller off of nintendo. Nintendo and ms might have copied in small ways that no one notices or cares about when Sony copies things like anologs, triggers and motion sensitivity.

And also, video game consoles were made to play video games, not do all this other crap. Why would someone want to pay 700 dollars to do stuff that their computer can already do?


700 dollars is what you have to pay for a ps3 and a game. Its 250 for a Wii and a game. And the Wii has better gameplay than the ps3 for an incredibly cheaper price. The only thing that the ps3 has is superior graphics in games. But since it can do some much other stuff you probably will be too busy to play the games themselves anyways.

For the first bolded passage, I have to disagree greatly. That's Nintendo's strategy, and I can understand that. But what you have to understand is that not everyone that has a PlayStation uses it just for games if at all. Yes, $600 is expensive with Blu Ray included, but in a PC it is even more expensive and even farther out of the consumers spending range - especially if they only use it for a small number of things. A PC is also limited to viewers. In other words, no one wants to crowd a PC screen just to experience entertainment, and no one certainly wants to carry a PC (or multiple devices) around everwhere they go. So why not have something that could do it all? Isn't this the very same way the cellular phone, walkman, camera, evolved into popular devices? This one device is as philosophy is liable to turn a consumer away rather than gain them.

For the second passage, that is an opinion as well as a misleading statement. It may be a better experience to you, but to others could hold the complete opposite, especially if a certain platform possess more mature titles than the family thread. From what I can tell, innovation and hardware is coming packed with the PS3 platform. It seems you may have miss them. ;)

[Phryne Astynome]

Sony's problem isn't the price. It is mostly that they are relying too heavily on the 18-34 male demographic to carry them. This reliance could be fatal. I should say this somewhat applies to Microsoft as well.

[venomv]

Why? Just because that is their target doesn't mean no one outside of the target will buy it. My dad is older then 35, he may buy it, I got a PS2 before I was 18 and they are doing very little differnt. My 11 year old brother is also excited about the PS3.

[makeitlookreal]

Personally, I think as games become more and more realistic people of all ages are going to notice them more. I hope it gets to the point that whenever a movie comes out there is a game made for it. And I do NOT mean only action, adventure, fantasy, horror, or scifi. Just imagine if GHOST was made into a game. You could play as the woman who just lost her husband or the husband who had died. Now, if a similiar movie of the same popularity was made and a game launched at the same time I think it could make a fortune with people other than young to middle aged men.

[Phryne Astynome]

Why? Just because that is their target doesn't mean no one outside of the target will buy it. My dad is older then 35, he may buy it, I got a PS2 before I was 18 and they are doing very little differnt. My 11 year old brother is also excited about the PS3.

You are correct, other people outside that demographic are excited about the PS3 as well. But the console seems to completely cater to that demographic if you have seen some of the games. Sony has to expand outside that demographic if they want to be more successful than before. Of course there are unknown variables out there so who knows maybe Sony has something up their sleeves that I am not aware of. Maybe that EyeToy game could help out. But this focus on that demographic is a concern that I raised many times in the forum.

[Infernal]

Im 16 and I got a PS2 the week it came out so I was what 10 then? All of my friends also got a PS2 and they are all planning on getting a PS3, the demographic definately isnt being too heavily targeted.

[BugenhagenXIII]

You had to purchase a CD to activate it and then register and then blah blah...It was a lot of hussle for a crappy 56K 'browser'.

I was merely pointing out that PS3 will not be the first console to be able to browse the web, as blackblood originally claimed.

I see the PS3 being number one. The extensive game catalogue, backwords compatability, and the name will all help it sell like crazy. I personally won't be getting one for a long while (unless I win it in the E3xperience dealy) as I think $600 is a ridiculous price for a console.

As has been said before, I also don't like having so many things shoved into a gaming console. Ability to play games and DVD's is enough for me. I'd rather spend $1000 on a computer and have it be able to do much more than the PS3 (feature wise. I don't actually know how powerful the PS3 is, and, quite frankly, don't care. I like Nintendo's view on specs: that they take a back seat to gameplay and innovation.).

[Nameless]

I will make this short and sweet...
PS3 has technology that is future proof & many exclusive titles that gamers care about... Enough said...

PS: I think the network of Sony development houses will make a huge impact during the next-gen.

[venomv]

@Bugenhaggen he said '4. Web Browser out of the box you can go and search online with a console for the first time ever that's amazing.' which in a way is true, but slightly missleading.


You are correct, other people outside that demographic are excited about the PS3 as well. But the console seems to completely cater to that demographic if you have seen some of the games. Sony has to expand outside that demographic if they want to be more successful than before. Of course there are unknown variables out there so who knows maybe Sony has something up their sleeves that I am not aware of. Maybe that EyeToy game could help out. But this focus on that demographic is a concern that I raised many times in the forum.

Sony has won the last two generations manly on the fact they had a huge and extremely varried variety of games, I see no reason for that to be differnt this time. I will give you that most if not all games shown so far are mainly for older audiences, but I am sure that will change.

[blackblood]

Was up everybody how ya'll doing thanks for the responses from what i've been reading i would like to clear up some things ok check it out

1. one key component that makes ps3 real strong is that the sony brand is into all parts of entertainment for example. you can buy a sony television, sony surround sound system, sony music, sony movies, there's so much entertainment that sony has full hands on with before playstation ever came out so all sony did was put all there business platforms into one system and created playstation for that reason it helps the playstation evolve and expand more successfully because they are able to stay ahead of there rivals when it comes to entertainment. when you go out to stores you don't see microsoft televisions, or nintendo sound systems or microsoft movies, and nintendo record labels, nintendo specialize in kiddie range games and microsoft specializes in software sony specializes in entertainment as a whole so there able to sell much faster , easier, and promote wiser to be number 1.
to me it's not all about who graphics is better , so on and so on the ps2 outsells xbox and xbox 360 for example fight night for 360 is the best version but the ps2 one sold more, tomb raider for 360 is the best version but the ps2 one sold more so loyalty to a console plays apart in consumers purchases as well because everyone out there have a certain brand they always stick with and that right there is key to a successful business

another thing is territory domination! microsoft is great in america but ok in europe and horrible in japan you can't win like that / nintendo is great in japan but ok in america and ok in europe / playstation is great in all three areas america, japan, and europe and qualities like those are why sony remains number 1 and if it's not broke don't fix it and that' what they continue to do to stay number 1.

another thing is that the ps3 is easier to develop for as opposed to the ps2 in a major way so certain games that only appeared on xbox and not ps2 cause of lack of hard drive and other programming reasons that won't be the case here anymore keep that in mind

mainly if you look at the exclusive line up for sony compared to the competition well take a look for your self and then after that i'll point out something for you guys ok check it out with me look!

sony
1. gran tourismo
2. warhawk
3. motostorm
4. heavenly sword
5. god of war
6. resistance
7. devil may cry
8. metal gear 4
9. final fantasy
10. kingdom hearts
11. tekken
12. virtua fighter
13. the getaway
14. jak and daxter
15. ratchet and clank
16. wipeout
17. untold legends
18. everquest
19. eight days
20. the eye toy franchises
and the list keeps going

if anybody here can name me 20 real great exclusives for nintendo and microsoft then maybe i'm missing something?????

1 more thing the biggest selling games in console history is metal gear, final fantasy, kingdom hearts, gran tourismo , god of war, halo, tekken, madden, and some more how many are for sony and how many are for microsoft take care ok and thanks for responding you guys hit me back

[Saibo]

For the second passage, that is an opinion as well as a misleading statement. It may be a better experience to you, but to others could hold the complete opposite, especially if a certain platform possess more mature titles than the family thread. From what I can tell, innovation and hardware is coming packed with the PS3 platform. It seems you may have miss them. ;)

I doubt he has had any chance to play with the actual Wii controller ;) It seem to me that alot of Nintendo fanboy are brainwash by Nintendo, in thinking that the wii remote is the next best thing since slice bread, when they themselves havnt tryed it out yet. As for the PS3 motion sensor , i cant really say i think its going to be fun. In fact i dont know what to make of if, until i actually sit down and play a game that uses the motion sensor.

But this whole, they copy from company X and Y , Z is silly, its like little kids fighting over a sit. I used to own a Dreamcast(it broke down), and it has a online service it was great infact, even on a 56K modem at the time. XBOX Live probably does a better job of being a "online service", but did they copy the DC online feature? To me its pointless to even ponder that.

As for the Wii it stills screams "kiddy" to me somewhat(just because a bunch of press/media lines up to try the thing doesnt say much, since its there job to cover the story..and the big N has something different to offer, hence why the line is long. The test is at TGS, since its open to public, the last test is released of the console). Of course theres nothing wrong with playing a kiddy console :) . But if they want to appeal to me they better get great quality titles that arent Marion, Wario, Yoshi, Kirby,etc. I do agree with some people here, that this next generation race is going to be tough to call..i cant really say whos going to be on top, because competition is tight this time around.

MS has done a better job this time, im actually interested in 3 games for the 360, whereas last generation it was only 1(and it wasnt crappy halo either..such a over rated game..IMO).

Sony has done a even better job, with already 6-8 titles on my must have list.

Nintendo, well they havent shown me again revolutionary or interesting yet. controlling Red Steel looks about as fun as pulling teeth..argh(yeah i was watching the Nintendo conference).



future prediction(we'll see in 6 years):

Sony > Nintendo > MS

or

Nintendo > Sony > MS

MS is always last..it suck to be them :P

[gibmonster]

What did Nintendo or Microsoft copy off Sony?

I know sony has copied key components of the nowaday controller off of nintendo. Nintendo and ms might have copied in small ways that no one notices or cares about when Sony copies things like anologs, triggers and motion sensitivity.

And also, video game consoles were made to play video games, not do all this other crap. Why would someone want to pay 700 dollars to do stuff that their computer can already do?

700 dollars is what you have to pay for a ps3 and a game. Its 250 for a Wii and a game. And the Wii has better gameplay than the ps3 for an incredibly cheaper price. The only thing that the ps3 has is superior graphics in games. But since it can do some much other stuff you probably will be too busy to play the games themselves anyways.

If sony and nintendo shared the same demographic...i would have to agree with you but this is not the case.

Not everyone has the income and the tastes of a 10 year old. So just stop projecting your poverty on the rest of us and stop trying to rationalise the fact that you won't be buying one. you already know the reason is one of money tather than anything else. you're simply over-reaching. if you never wanted one, the price wouldn't bother you. just like the price of a pony never bothered me (believe me, u won't see me on any forums trying to convice the world that ponies are crap!) yet Similarly, people drive sportscars all the time..without feeling they have an inferior product simply cause the guy in the lane next to them got some s#!tbox for 20grand.

On another note, its pretty hard to get on a bus or a train that isn't flecked with ipods and 3g phones...usually in the hands of technically illiterrate jane-sixpacks. is the price of a ps3 really a lot of money in the year 2006?

And whatever ANYONE says... is the majority always right? If so, try telling that to all the people who ever bought a lottery ticket and didn't win! Good luck.

BYE!!!

[DC_613]

Hmmmm for me...

1. While people are still whinging about the core pack for PS3 it is pretty much identical to the premium 360 pack

20 Gb HDD? yep both got them.

HD-AV out? yep people seem to think just cause there is no HDMI that means no HD well 360 doesnt have HDMI and its still HD.

No WiFi? yep neither got em, 360 you gotta buy expensive ad on probly same with PS3.

Wireless controls? yep PS3 and 360 core support em PS3 you just get a wireless one from the get go.

Online? yep both got it.

Blu Ray? wait huh? nah PS3 core got it 360 you gotta buy ad on $200 which will make it more than the PS3 core anyways.

Tilt Sensing controller? yet to be proven but Sony has got it and it isnt in the crippled form like the Wii so developers arent limited to the games they can create for it.

2. The games, GTA is no longer timed exclusive meh check any forum GTA has deffinetly taken a hit with fans now not to many people seem to be talking bout it, same with Halo 3 nice shiney trailer of which the game wont look like and still its getting bugger all people talking...... so those 2 game arent difference makers any more well not in my eyes anyways. And if it all comes down to 1st party games which it no doubt will Sony trumps everyone.

3. Price, there are 2 trails of thought here............... 1 its to expensive so people are going to buy something else............. its expensive, more so than the 360 and the Wii....... it must be better, do not underestimate human stupidity (not saying that your stupid if you buy a PS3 cause if you have half a brain the you would know PS3 is a clear winner in everyones books Game, Blu-Ray, Web browsing etc, trumps the competition). Yeah its $599 for you Yanks well im in Aus and im paying $999, even if you work out the currency exchange rate we still end up paying $200 AUD then you are and i know a lot of Aus forumers who are coughing that up at launch. Also price will drop down, Sony didnt sell 100,000,000+ consoles at launch majority of the market wait for a price drop before they buy.

4. Fan Base, Sony just crushes the competition it may loose some this gen it may gain some but either way they arent going to die this gen.

5.The fact that all the fanboy arguments from the competition seem to be based on rumours or speculation and the price, what does that mean for me?, they have seen the games and played them and the majority of them have lived up to the hype (Resistance, Warhawk) and now they are busy eating crow and grabbing for straws................... lol like on B3D they are crying over not being able to shoot out a light.......... which was being used to show lighting effects....... "hey lets shoot it and just reck the demonstration"........... i mean theres just so much wrong with their pissing contest.......... the games got atleast 6 months to go before it is even finished so not everything is going to be perfect, i know i cant shoot through car windows in GRAW on the 360 and hit enemies on the other side of the car, its really quite sad..

6. Metal Gear Solid, God of War 3, Socom and all the other exlcusive which will just kick ass.

[version]

ps3 will be the new AMIGA , its enough for me

[Applefiend]

Well for me...

1) Blu Ray game advantage

Well, let's see... 360 with a 20GB HD = $399
PS3 with a 20GB HD = $499
but...
Cheapest 360 you can buy is $299
Cheapest PS3 you can buy is $499

We're paying an extra $100, and we're paying it for one thing only, and that's Blu Ray. If you'e pessimist you may say we're paying $200 extra for it, but that doesn't wash, Sony just think HD is essential, and nobody wants an HD less machine. There could be a $399 HD less blu ray machine I imagine, but nobody would buy it, just like nobody buys the 360 core pack.

We're also getting delayed for 6 months for the self same reason. So you know, Blu Ray better be damn well worth it.

So we know the Blu Ray movie advantage, I want to see the Blu Ray game advantage.

"See this game here, this game with this giant environment where you can zoom for one end to the other in extra high detail, higher than Oblivion.... You can't do this on a DVD rom. See this Final Fantasy 13? Be a pile of 10 disks to play on DVD ROM."

Want to see the blu ray movie AND Blu ray game advantage.

2 ) Fan base. 200 million customers who bought PS1 and PS2, vs the 20 million who bought a GC or Xbox. People who want the next GT or FF or whatever and will accept no carbon copies.

3 ) It won't be $499 forever.
Very agressive cost reduction will drag to down to $399 in 18 months hopefully, then down to $299 a year after that. It has to be fast I think. I think after 10 million they'll run out of guys willing to sell out $499.

4) Wii and 360 getting raped by piracy
Piracy is never good for a console, don't doubt that. Having all the games on Blu Ray, and requiring a Blu Ray burner to copy these games is a definite advantage. Hopefully it'll be a good 4 years before PS3 gets attacked by the pirates.

5) Cheapest Blu Ray player
$499 for a games console? Hella expensive. $499 for a Blu Ray player? Great bargain. Sell a bomb just on the basis being a cheap Blu Ray player that plays PS2 and PS1 games.

6) The new hits
Just like no one typing away before the release of PS2 could have predicted the early PS2 hits like SSX, and Onimusha, there will be awesome system sellers we don't even know about.

7) Doom, gloom, rumour and nonsense
Most of what we know about PS3 comes from rumour sites, doom sayers, and the suchlike. The picture is a lot rosier than that I think.

8) Again, it's just a C-Note

360 with a 20GB HD = $399
PS3 with a 20GB HD = $499

Just 100 bucks. Nobody wants a console without an HD. You get a lot extra for that $100, never doubt it.

9) In it for the long term.
As far as I'm concern, last big exclusive game for XBox 1 was Jade Empire released in April 2005. Then it got dumped after 3 years, no doubt 360 wil be the same. PS2 will still be selling in 2010, PS3 will still be going in 2016.

[Freeman_JI]

mainly if you look at the exclusive line up for sony compared to the competition well take a look for your self and then after that i'll point out something for you guys ok check it out with me look!

sony
1. gran tourismo
2. warhawk
3. motostorm
4. heavenly sword
5. god of war
6. resistance
7. devil may cry
8. metal gear 4
9. final fantasy
10. kingdom hearts
11. tekken
12. virtua fighter
13. the getaway
14. jak and daxter
15. ratchet and clank
16. wipeout
17. untold legends
18. everquest
19. eight days
20. the eye toy franchises
and the list keeps going

if anybody here can name me 20 real great exclusives for nintendo and microsoft then maybe i'm missing something?????

your missing what now???

1.Halo
2.DOA, DOAX2
3.NG
4.Forza
5.Oblivion, ES 4
6.Fable
7.GTA (exclusive content 360)
8.Blue Dragon
9.Lost Oddyse
10.Gears of War
11.Chrome Hounds
12.Lost Planet
13.Saints Row
14. jade Empire
15. Mass Effect
16.Shadow Run
17.Project Gotham
18.Too Human
19. Enchanted Arms, 99 Nights
20. RARE (PD, Conker, Killer Instinct, banjo, Kameo, Viva Pintara ect.)


1 more thing the biggest selling games in console history is metal gear, final fantasy, kingdom hearts, gran tourismo , god of war, halo, tekken, madden, and some more how many are for sony and how many are for microsoft take care ok and thanks for responding you guys hit me back
Hit you back...?

[BugenhagenXIII]

@Bugenhaggen he said '4. Web Browser out of the box you can go and search online with a console for the first time ever that's amazing.' which in a way is true, but slightly missleading.


I'll give him out of the box. In fact, my first post in this thread stated that I didn't know if Dreamcast's browser was out of the box or not. If you actually put punctuation, his quote reads '4. Web browser out of the box. You can go and search online with a console for the first time ever that's amazing.' He's saying it's amazing to be able to surf the web with a console for the first time. Don't get me wrong, I think a browser is a good idea, but to say it's the first time on a console is just wrong.

[tien69]

That Microsoft game line-up cant thread water.

[Killing Moon]

Okay..why are you trying to defend MS and Nintendo anyway? You act like they're the good guys and Sony's the bad guys. Sony's just trying to be innovative by creating a console that can do it all. I think your forgetting that the PS2 and the x-box had a DVD player...since "games aren't supposed to do all that other crap".

You sound so ignorant its not even funny. A controller does not make a game..thats for sure. The games makes the console...not a controller. The controller wont make every game on the console a great game.

I think your being a lil too defensive man. Blackblood obviously is a Sony fanboy (and your obviously a Nintendo fanboy) so theres no need to put Sony down for his comments. I know you feel a need to defend your favorite console but be realistic and ethical about it instead of using childish finger pointing.

God I love this forum. You guys are probably the only gamer forum that I've run into where logic takes precedence over idiocy.

So great, good times.

Anyhow, well my sentiments exactly.

[sudzy]

God I love this forum. You guys are probably the only gamer forum that I've run into where logic takes precedence over idiocy.

So great, good times.

Anyhow, well my sentiments exactly.

QFT

At least the fanboy posts that do show up here tend to be balanced out with reason as you travel down the thread instead of degrading further and further into idiocy.

[Killing Moon]

QFT

At least the fanboy posts that do show up here tend to be balanced out with reason as you travel down the thread instead of degrading further and further into idiocy.

Question: What the hell does "QFT" mean?

[Applefiend]

Quoted for truth

[kaphwan]

*bullshit detector goes off*

But the console seems to completely cater to that demographic if you have seen some of the games.

Because of "some" of the games, you are "completely" catering to the demographic of "some" of those games.

You ever heard of Crash Freakin' Bandicoot?

7 of the 20 titles Blackblood mentioned are in fact kiddie titles.

[venomv]

I wouldn't call 7 of those kiddie titles, I would say that they aren't strictly titles for adults.

Where is that quote from in your sig from, by the way, I can't place it even though I know it.

[blackblood]

how you guys doing was up
i wanted to reply to the person who listed 20 games for microsoft that he felt was great!
1. halo is great
2. chrome hounds is not exclusive
3. doa is not the best fighting game compared to tekken, virtua fighter, which is both ps3 exclusive and mortal kombat is a great fighter as well
4. gears of war is great
5. lost odyssey and blue dragon remains to be seen and compared to the final fantasy franchise which is exclusive japan would go for what they know faster than something new
6. xbox is not popular in japan so those games will not hold a lot of weight for a consoles life cycle
7. the other games are fine like mass effect and too human but games like god of war and devil may cry metal gear these are proven successful franchises and people are gonna go for what's great that's just my opinion
and also with 6 months away you never what knew things are gonna happen in the sony area from now to launch!!!!

[rpgamer_2k5]

" gears of war is great"
Gears of War is not going to make the Xbox 360. A significant portion of the PS3 market is comprised of RPGs. The main reason why many choose the PS2 over others is because of RPGs. Xbox 360 must have a good number of RPGs in order to compete take a slice of the PS3's market.. I already see Mistwalker but more is need. Wii, on the other hand is catering this market, and that is why Wii is probably going to gain marketshare.

Keep in mind that Pokemon (RPG) is a huge seller in the West, ditto for Final Fantasy, Zelda, Kingdom Hearts, etc. These titles can even sell like multiplatform titles! 360 need such titles. And that is why Blue Dragon should be included in the list. ;)

[Freeman_JI]

That Microsoft game line-up cant thread water.

Hell yeah Threading Water :clapping:

http://www.pilotmall.com/store/graphics/00000001/needle_thread_250w_ds.jpg

+

http://someonewhocares.org/pics/water_3420_small.jpg

[venomv]

Lol, threading water, didn't catch that.

[gljvd]

8) Again, it's just a C-Note

360 with a 20GB HD = $399
PS3 with a 20GB HD = $499

Just 100 bucks. Nobody wants a console without an HD. You get a lot extra for that $100, never doubt it.


actually its 360 with a 20 gig hardrive 399$

Ps3 = unavalible.

What the prices will be in nov for a xbox 360 with a 20 gig hardrive is the question.


Ms can do a few things . 60$ 20 gig hardrive anyone ? How about the premium with a 60 gig hardrive instead of a 20 gig harddrive ? Then drop the price on the core 50$ . You now have a 310$ xbox 360 with 20 gig hardrive vs a 500$ ps3 with a 20 gig hardrive.

Is bluray worth a 190$ more to a consumer ? How about a xbox 360 with a 20 gig hardrive and a hd-dvd drie for the same price as the cheap ps3 ? Not only will the xbox 360 be the same price with the same features but it will have more games and movies and for the average consumer it will be much easier to buy in a store. You also don't have to spend all that money at once. You can buy the system plus the hdd and then at a later date buy the hd-dvd drive.


Your comparing things today , but nov will be diffrent.

[gljvd]

I'll give him out of the box. In fact, my first post in this thread stated that I didn't know if Dreamcast's browser was out of the box or not. If you actually put punctuation, his quote reads '4. Web browser out of the box. You can go and search online with a console for the first time ever that's amazing.' He's saying it's amazing to be able to surf the web with a console for the first time. Don't get me wrong, I think a browser is a good idea, but to say it's the first time on a console is just wrong.


Well out of the box you could surf the web with the dreamcast .

With the net link you could also surf the web with the saturn.

I like it when people forget history and make up thier own :0)

[KiLLA2006]

actually its 360 with a 20 gig hardrive 399$

Ps3 = unavalible.



What the prices will be in nov for a xbox 360 with a 20 gig hardrive is the question.


Ms can do a few things . 60$ 20 gig hardrive anyone ? How about the premium with a 60 gig hardrive instead of a 20 gig harddrive ? Then drop the price on the core 50$ . You now have a 310$ xbox 360 with 20 gig hardrive vs a 500$ ps3 with a 20 gig hardrive.

Is bluray worth a 190$ more to a consumer ? How about a xbox 360 with a 20 gig hardrive and a hd-dvd drie for the same price as the cheap ps3 ? Not only will the xbox 360 be the same price with the same features but it will have more games and movies and for the average consumer it will be much easier to buy in a store. You also don't have to spend all that money at once. You can buy the system plus the hdd and then at a later date buy the hd-dvd drive.


Your comparing things today , but nov will be diffrent.

just wanted to touch on a few of your statements...

first bold statment...
if microsoft ever decides to release a bigger hdd with their premium xbox360 for the smae price, i don't know about anyone else... but... i promise i will never waste my time on buying another microsoft console because i would feel completely ripped off, so i got a console at launch, im the one punished... highly unlikely...

2nd bold statement
since when was it announced that ps3 can't play dvds? hmm... musta been on mars, how does the 360 have more movies then the ps3?
can you provide a link proving that second part about the consumer or is that just an opinion?

3rd bold statement
i completely agree with this, but because of the brand support sony has, trying to predict what will happen is a waste of time, ps3 will sell out at launch, sony (if they see sales begin to slip, and thats a big if) can always counter act the situation by lowering the price... yes people will buy xbox360, but how will that stop them from buying ps3? it definitely wont...

[mark297]

Guys let's all stop throwing wood on the fanboy fires here - Blackblood and Mark got things started off on the wrong foot, and I don't think this thread is the best place to put the consoles through their paces.


Thanx. Sorry about that. I just get mad when people bash Nintendo and then i bash them and it starts a big discussion and people get mad at me and so on and so on.

[gljvd]

if microsoft ever decides to release a bigger hdd with their premium xbox360 for the smae price, i don't know about anyone else... but... i promise i will never waste my time on buying another microsoft console because i would feel completely ripped off, so i got a console at launch, im the one punished... highly unlikely...

I don't follow this logic . Are you saying that sony and ms can never drop the price ? You bought a 360 in 2005 , in 2006 prices can and most likely will change. All this is , is a price drop in another form . Instead of 50$ off you simply get a bigger hardrive . For ms this is ideal as the bigger drive most likely costs 10-15$ more than the smaller one , but they keep the same price instead of changing 10-15$ and droping the price in 50$ range

2nd bold statement
since when was it announced that ps3 can't play dvds? hmm... musta been on mars, how does the 360 have more movies then the ps3?
can you provide a link proving that second part about the consumer or is that just an opinion? hd-dvd is schedualed to have more released titles than bluray by the end of the year , unless my sources are out of date. Do you have any more current info ?

3rd bold statement
i completely agree with this, but because of the brand support sony has, trying to predict what will happen is a waste of time, ps3 will sell out at launch, sony (if they see sales begin to slip, and thats a big if) can always counter act the situation by lowering the price... yes people will buy xbox360, but how will that stop them from buying ps3? it definitely wont...


Its not really the holiday season that ms can affect. Its really after that . As the holiday comes and goes xbox 360 will most likely have its price drop(i believe this is more ideal than the holiday) It will also have the cheaper games ( almost every launch game by this point will have been a million seller or just droped in price to gain sales) and it will be widely avalible. You can walk into a gamestore in 2007 and easily find a xbox 360 , I doubt the same will be said about the ps3 as its coming off a launch and the quanitys will be limited.

This is where and when they can start taking sales away from sony . For the holiday they simply have to release the games they've promised and have enough units to sell. The august to dec line up for the 360 is very convincing , it provides a very nice alternative to the largely sold out ps3 of the time esp at the cost advantage it will have.

Even with out the price drops. The xbox 360 core will be 300$ + 40$ memory card + 2 or 3 platnium titles at 20-30 willl look much nicer for a parent this christmass than a impossible to get 500$ base ps3 . Sure u get bluray and a hardrive , but not everyone has a hd-tv drive and not everyone needs a hardrive , esp if your buying it as a gift for a kid . Most parents wont know what the importance of the drive is .

Basicly ms is in the best spot they could possibly be in . By launching later sony gave a big break to ms

[Domination]

actually its 360 with a 20 gig hardrive 399$

Ps3 = unavalible.

What the prices will be in nov for a xbox 360 with a 20 gig hardrive is the question.


Ms can do a few things . 60$ 20 gig hardrive anyone ? How about the premium with a 60 gig hardrive instead of a 20 gig harddrive ? Then drop the price on the core 50$ . You now have a 310$ xbox 360 with 20 gig hardrive vs a 500$ ps3 with a 20 gig hardrive.

Is bluray worth a 190$ more to a consumer ? How about a xbox 360 with a 20 gig hardrive and a hd-dvd drie for the same price as the cheap ps3 ? Not only will the xbox 360 be the same price with the same features but it will have more games and movies and for the average consumer it will be much easier to buy in a store. You also don't have to spend all that money at once. You can buy the system plus the hdd and then at a later date buy the hd-dvd drive.


Your comparing things today , but nov will be diffrent.

NICE! I really like your style! :thumbl: But the thing is, though, the PS3 still seems to offer a little more even if HD-DVD is included at that price, and I'm afraid that's what Sony was aiming for in the begining since Microsoft not only has a pretty hefty pocket, but are great responders as well. One thing does stand place, though, and that's Microsoft doing a fine job at decking the 360 out to mimic the competition. :)

[gljvd]

NICE! I really like your style! But the thing is, though, the PS3 still seems to offer a little more even if HD-DVD is included at that price, and I'm afraid that's what Sony was aiming for in the begining since Microsoft not only has a pretty hefty pocket, but are great responders as well. One thing does stand place, though, and that's Microsoft doing a fine job at decking the 360 out to mimic the competition.

Well it all depends on what your value is .

In 2006/2007 xbox 360 will have more titles out (just by the shear year advantage in release dates ) will be cheaper (base model is 340$ for saving ) and will offer next gen graphics .

The ps3 is great and offers alot of value for someone who had a hdtv or is planing to buy a hdtv around the time of buying a ps3.

But I don't see bluray adding value to someone who can't afford to buy a hd tv . Its major selling advantage over the xbox 360 is gone for someone who doesn't have hdtv which is still the majority of users .


Personaly in regards to hd tv , i would like to see ms come out with a 500$ model with the drive included and a bigger hardrive . This would compete easily against the core ps3 .

I personaly don't like the way the hd-dvd hardrive looks (it could have been worse though haha)


I really don't see what sony has to offer this holiday and at the begning of 2007 that will trump what ms has on shelves at the time . The line up for the xbox 360 will be much much better .

[xbdestroya]

I really don't see what sony has to offer this holiday and at the begning of 2007 that will trump what ms has on shelves at the time . The line up for the xbox 360 will be much much better .

Bigger, not better. ;) Not saying that in a lot of people's opinions it won't qualify as better also, but of course 'better' comes down to personal choice and preference alone.

[gljvd]

Bigger, not better. ;) Not saying that in a lot of people's opinions it won't qualify as better also, but of course 'better' comes down to personal choice and preference alone.

Can you list what titles will be out in 2006 and the begning of 2007 on the ps3 that beats what ms will have out by then ?

Whats going to compare against , Splinter cell vegas , ghost recon , oblivion , Gears of war , crackdown , saint row , lost planet , pgr3 , doa4 , call of duty 2 , ff online , battlefield 2 , brothers in arms 3 , tomb raider , table tenis , chrome hounds , 99 nights , the darkness , dead rising , prey , bomberman , star trek legacy .

And these will all be out even before the ps3 launches .

Now late in 2007 ps3 may start getting better games like mgs4 . But the ps3 library wont compare to the xbox 360 library in both quanity and quality . I don't see how you would sugest otherwise

[xbdestroya]

Can you list what titles will be out in 2006 and the begning of 2007 on the ps3 that beats what ms will have out by then ?

Whats going to compare against , Splinter cell vegas , ghost recon , oblivion , Gears of war , crackdown , saint row , lost planet , pgr3 , doa4 , call of duty 2 , ff online , battlefield 2 , brothers in arms 3 , tomb raider , table tenis , chrome hounds , 99 nights , the darkness , dead rising , prey , bomberman , star trek legacy .

And these will all be out even before the ps3 launches .

Now late in 2007 ps3 may start getting better games like mgs4 . But the ps3 library wont compare to the xbox 360 library in both quanity and quality . I don't see how you would sugest otherwise

See, again though you're talking about personal preference. I'll readily grant you that it has the bigger library, and perhaps the library with more appeal to a larger audience come this December as well. But I personally wouldn't buy any of those games you mentioned (I do own Oblivion on PC though, and FFXI as well).

My console library consists of titles like these: Star Ocean, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Soul Caliber, Devil May Cry, God of War, etc etc...

So although PS3 won't have any of those at launch either, 360 won't really fit my bill at that point itself. But I mean I didn't get any PS2 titles at PS2's launch either, so no big deal to me. Like I said in another thread, Heavenly Sword will probably be my first PS3 title bought for the system, since it's a 'launch window' game.

I'm not saying your games are bad - I'm not even saying mine are good - I'm just saying it's hard to say which games are 'better' when the parties involved have different tastes to begin with.

[gljvd]

My console library consists of titles like these: Star Ocean, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Soul Caliber, Devil May Cry, God of War, etc etc...

So although PS3 won't have any of those at launch either, 360 won't really fit my bill at that point itself. But I mean I didn't get any PS2 titles at PS2's launch either, so no big deal to me. Like I said in another thread, Heavenly Sword will probably be my first PS3 title bought for the system, since it's a 'launch window' game.

but this has nothing to do with my point .

My point is that for a gamer going into a store this holiday into early 2007 looking for a ps3 that is largely sold out wil lsee the xbox 360 with a superior line up of games in quanity and quality and wil lbe tempted to pick up the 360 that is cheaper with some of those games instead of waiting for the ps3.

What do you think happend with the ps2

[xbdestroya]

I'm not sure where you're going with that. I full well expect 360 to have another near-sell-out Christmas this year, so I don't think it's even worth talking about. PS3 will sell out, 360 will probably come close as well. The game selections will be put to the test in the middle of 2007 I think in terms of being the primary console pushers.

You ask what I think happened to PS2. Well, I think it launched with an inferior selection of games to Dreamcast is what I think happened.

PS - I don't think PS3 is automatically destined to be #1 this gen; I think it's an honest fight. I just don't want things in this thread to become about 'this game sucks, this game rules' type discussions. We should limit it to facts as much as we can, and not subjective opinions. So I will say this: in the United States, 360 will have a compelling line-up this winter. But again, I think both consoles (actually all three likely) will sell themselves anyway.

[{Delta}]

My father can beat up your father! My religion is more correct than thouest art!

My console is bigger than your console! And for the love of cake, use paragraphs blackblood!

[bobo_ess]

How funny, here's a 1999 Sony patent of a PS1 controller with motion sensitivity:

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/4732/tiltcontrollerdiagram7wm.jpg

And now tell me Nintendo created analog sticks and triggers while posting proof that there wasn't anything like that before on any platform :heybaby:

Whatever man, that didn't help the Gamecube. Besides, who ever said PS3 was just a games console? Consumers like convergence. Not all of them, but convergence sells much more than dedicated systems.

You seem sooo sure of yourself when you haven't played either console :drunk: :tardbang: You didn't need to come to the PS3 board and tell us all that PS3 sucks and Wii rocks, which is quite a subjective point of view.


the infrared sensor with the super scope...way before the controller...

[Phryne Astynome]

but this has nothing to do with my point .

My point is that for a gamer going into a store this holiday into early 2007 looking for a ps3 that is largely sold out wil lsee the xbox 360 with a superior line up of games in quanity and quality and wil lbe tempted to pick up the 360 that is cheaper with some of those games instead of waiting for the ps3.

What do you think happend with the ps2

AAA titles on both the PS3 and Xbox 360 are going to have long development times. What I am saying is that the quantity and quality for the Xbox 360 argument might not apply this Winter season. While Xbox 360 will have quality titles during that time I don't think they will have the 'quantity and quality' that the PS2 and the other systems use to have during the winter season when their competitors launched (Sony's 2001 lineup was incredible). You can thank Sony and Microsoft for pushing those exotic architectures which lengthened development times.

EDIT: I should also mentioned SNES came out around 2 years later after the Genesis and had a close battle. I expect this generation to have a close three way battle in the United States just like the Genesis and SNES.

Another EDIT: There are many variables that will affect this console period as well. You can't just state that the Xbox 360 lineup will crush the PS3 lineup when the lineup still has not been announced. This E3 should have taught everyone that the variables are quite unpredictable.

[gljvd]

I'm not sure where you're going with that. I full well expect 360 to have another near-sell-out Christmas this year, so I don't think it's even worth talking about. PS3 will sell out, 360 will probably come close as well. The game selections will be put to the test in the middle of 2007 I think in terms of being the primary console pushers.

We agree , however in that dead zone after the holiday tilll the summer season when barely any games are released , the xbox 360 will continue to sell because of its games , this is the point when the ps3 starts to become avalible and the hardcore buyers have already bought.

This is when the quality of line ups become important . The xbox 360 will have the software quanity and quality . When the ps3 starts to get the big games like mgs4 (and whatever else will be ready for holiday 07) the xbox 360 will be riding its own wave of games , however it will have a strong line up of quality games , with even more million sellers (x mass 07 should give us a 30$ gears of war along with other holiday 06 platnium sellers)


You ask what I think happened to PS2. Well, I think it launched with an inferior selection of games to Dreamcast is what I think happened. I was talking about ps2 and xbox . The ps2 was on the market for a year longer and had the higher quality titles and the higher quanity of titles over the xbox

PS - I don't think PS3 is automatically destined to be #1 this gen; I think it's an honest fight. I just don't want things in this thread to become about 'this game sucks, this game rules' type discussions. We should limit it to facts as much as we can, and not subjective opinions. So I will say this: in the United States, 360 will have a compelling line-up this winter. But again, I think both consoles (actually all three likely) will sell themselves anyway.

I'm not talking about any single game . I'm talking game line ups . The quanity and quality of ms's line up at least into the middle of 2007 is greater in both areas than sonys. Sony may have a few great titles , but the xbox 360 has had a few great titles already and a slew more are coming out between now and the ps3 launch . That is the point I'm trying to make .

AAA titles on both the PS3 and Xbox 360 are going to have long development times. What I am saying is that the quantity and quality for the Xbox 360 argument might not apply this Winter season. While Xbox 360 will have quality titles during that time I don't think they will have the 'quantity and quality' that the PS2 and the other systems use to have during the winter season when their competitors launched (Sony's 2001 lineup was incredible). You can thank Sony and Microsoft for pushing those exotic architectures which lengthened development times.


Actually the line up between now and 2007 for the xbox 360 is huge .

They should have 200 titles by the end of the year adn at last count they were at 50ish . actually 40ish with arcade titles in the mix . So you figure we have another 160 games coming out between now and december 06.

That is a large and the games i listed in the other post are alot of quality games .

EDIT: I should also mentioned SNES came out around 2 years later after the Genesis and had a close battle. I expect this generation to have a close three way battle in the United States just like the Genesis and SNES. Sega was leading well past the sega cd era , the 32x started the genesis decline and nintendo kept selling and publishing new games on the super nes up till the n64s laucnh , Sega moved on before the staturn launch , so the 2 years at the start(actually 18 months ) was made up for by nintendo at the back end

Another EDIT: There are many variables that will affect this console period as well. You can't just state that the Xbox 360 lineup will crush the PS3 lineup when the lineup still has not been announced. This E3 should have taught everyone that the variables are quite unpredictable.

I don't see much changing in the terms of ms's line up this season. Most of the titles were already pushed back to these current dates .

Sony on the other hand is anyone's guess. I don't know how many titles will actually make launch and how many will slip past launch window.

[Phryne Astynome]

Jesus, you write a lot (80+ long posts already in a span of two days). Anyways, I agree with a lot of your points. Although I do think you are dismissing Nintendo from the equation since they are IMO a big wild card.

[xbdestroya]

I was talking about ps2 and xbox . The ps2 was on the market for a year longer and had the higher quality titles and the higher quanity of titles over the xbox

Oh I know what you were talking about JVD. ;)

But how does the PS2/Dreamcast comparison any less pertinent to the question you asked? In fact, it applies moreso because I'd say that XBox launched with stronger games (Halo) than even PS2 launched with; it's simply that XBox was utterly without significant third-party support for years. Sony is not going to face that dilemma, regardless of how many games Microsoft has when Sony leaves the gate. It's not as if the third-parties are going to abandon Sony.

[Domination]

Well it all depends on what your value is .

In 2006/2007 xbox 360 will have more titles out (just by the shear year advantage in release dates ) will be cheaper (base model is 340$ for saving ) and will offer next gen graphics .

The ps3 is great and offers alot of value for someone who had a hdtv or is planing to buy a hdtv around the time of buying a ps3.

But I don't see bluray adding value to someone who can't afford to buy a hd tv . Its major selling advantage over the xbox 360 is gone for someone who doesn't have hdtv which is still the majority of users .


Personaly in regards to hd tv , i would like to see ms come out with a 500$ model with the drive included and a bigger hardrive . This would compete easily against the core ps3 .

I personaly don't like the way the hd-dvd hardrive looks (it could have been worse though haha)


I really don't see what sony has to offer this holiday and at the begning of 2007 that will trump what ms has on shelves at the time . The line up for the xbox 360 will be much much better .

Just to be honest with you, I don't know what all Sony has planned before they launch, but what I do know, it has a heck of a lot more at its advantage than just an HD era. I think you're confusing their strategy with Microsoft. :pleased: Sony has a strategy, yes, but it does not pertain to one single advantage. If anything, they are stepping up the competition across the board. What you are bring forth sorta reminds me of the PSP and the way it is viewed by those who have of yet to put their hands on one: it plays UMD movies, UMD games, and a track or two of music. These are the very basics. It is used for nothing else except to get your attention. But in reality, it goes far beyond that. So for you to only look at Blu Ray and an HD era as their only advantage, I can tell you right now that it's not going to stop there at all.

I will give Microsoft the content edge at the very moment (they do have an impressive line-up :worthy:) since Sony isn't yet out on the market. But I wouldn't go counting the mileage just yet. Sony seems to have made a lot of changes and gathered a lot of support this time - more so than last-gen, I think, and their backwards catalogue is looking even better. Oh, and it's not always about quantity; quality plays a part, too. But anyway, with what Sony is offering, i think they could make a bigger splash by Christmas than what you'd like to think.

Adding to that, HD-DVD has very little support right now, although the road is still open for the distant future. But speaking from a general perspective, the 360 is only cheaper now because it contains technology that's not as advance as that in the PS3. If it were to have the same tech as the PS3, I'm pretty sure it would be far more expensive.

[Domination]

Can you list what titles will be out in 2006 and the begning of 2007 on the ps3 that beats what ms will have out by then ?

Whats going to compare against , Splinter cell vegas , ghost recon , oblivion , Gears of war , crackdown , saint row , lost planet , pgr3 , doa4 , call of duty 2 , ff online , battlefield 2 , brothers in arms 3 , tomb raider , table tenis , chrome hounds , 99 nights , the darkness , dead rising , prey , bomberman , star trek legacy .

And these will all be out even before the ps3 launches .

Now late in 2007 ps3 may start getting better games like mgs4 . But the ps3 library wont compare to the xbox 360 library in both quanity and quality . I don't see how you would sugest otherwise

I'm not going to go making any competitive match-ups here. So to save time and precious space, I'm going to make this as simple as I can... When speaking on preference and or opinion, consumer adoption is a question mark. What you are saying is the same as telling me that I should like Poke'mon because you like it. None of this implies that people will abandon the titles you mentioned, but you have to understand that we are dealing with a consumer base, some hardcore and some picky. A title releasing on a certain platform does not guarantee adoption. As far as we know, the console could be purchased for content that is expected to hit the platform in the future. Never underestimate the consumer.


EDIT
I was talking about ps2 and xbox . The ps2 was on the market for a year longer and had the higher quality titles and the higher quanity of titles over the xbox

Yes, and the PS2 also had GREAT first party support coupled with second and third party, too. For the 360, I don't see much happening for the first party yet, although everything else seems rather comfortable right now.