PSP price....I told you!!

[Viper]

New comments made by recently promoted Sony Europe president Chris Deering regarding the PlayStation Portable have hinted at a price point in the £250 range, while Japanese retail sources quote figures in a similar range.

Deering stated that the system would diverge from Sony's traditional console business model by being sold at a price which would make a profit on hardware alone, and suggested a price "closer to £200 than £300."

This comment ties in with information from Japanese retail sources earlier this week, who told us that a price point around 50,000 Yen was being bandied about in Tokyo - in fact, the most exact figure we were given was 48,000 Yen, almost exactly £250.

Quoted in UK trade paper MCV, Deering said that "the feeling is that this product should generate profit on hardware alone. We want to make it affordable for publishers to produce a wide range of entertainment and so royalties will be lower down in the mix this time round."

A move to reduce royalties on the system would be a major boost to third party support for the PSP, especially since for many publishers, the last experience they had of handheld gaming was Nintendo's GBA - where high royalty and manufacturing costs mean that very few companies other than Nintendo itself make a profit from the system, despite the fact that Nintendo also makes a profit on hardware sales.

Earlier this week, Deering stated that the company was aiming for a global launch for PSP in November of this year, although that figure was quickly revised to mid-December by SCE vice president Masutsuka Saeki, who gave the new estimate in an interview with Famitsu.

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250 GBP = 459.126 USD

[JackieChanIsGOD]

:D

And maybe 600 CDN...


LOLZ

It'll probably be a little cheaper though...

[Jushiko]

Holy hell.

[speed stick]

That is very expensive. With a price like that I hope they go down. Just before Christmas it would be nice to see Nintendo releasing a new handheld at a way better price to shut down the PSP.

[Viper]

With a price like that, Nintendo has no need to release a new handheld. The GBA SP will do quite well against that price tag, especially if it gets a price cut, which it surely will, right before the PSP launch.

[Bryan]

??

They never learn. None of them.

[Notedog]

Maybe someone should try something that focuses on just games. Maybe a small extra feature or two like Mp3 and a clock, to keep the price down low.

[Viper]

I told you guys there was no way in hell this was going to retail for less than $300.00 USD. And Notedog, you're right, gaming should be first and foremost with only a small amount of extras...not this blasphemous monstrocity to handheld gaming.

[alpha]

New comments made by recently promoted Sony Europe president Chris Deering regarding the PlayStation Portable have hinted at a price point in the £250 range, while Japanese retail sources quote figures in a similar range.

Deering stated that the system would diverge from Sony's traditional console business model by being sold at a price which would make a profit on hardware alone, and suggested a price "closer to £200 than £300."

This comment ties in with information from Japanese retail sources earlier this week, who told us that a price point around 50,000 Yen was being bandied about in Tokyo - in fact, the most exact figure we were given was 48,000 Yen, almost exactly £250.

Quoted in UK trade paper MCV, Deering said that "the feeling is that this product should generate profit on hardware alone. We want to make it affordable for publishers to produce a wide range of entertainment and so royalties will be lower down in the mix this time round."

A move to reduce royalties on the system would be a major boost to third party support for the PSP, especially since for many publishers, the last experience they had of handheld gaming was Nintendo's GBA - where high royalty and manufacturing costs mean that very few companies other than Nintendo itself make a profit from the system, despite the fact that Nintendo also makes a profit on hardware sales.

Earlier this week, Deering stated that the company was aiming for a global launch for PSP in November of this year, although that figure was quickly revised to mid-December by SCE vice president Masutsuka Saeki, who gave the new estimate in an interview with Famitsu.

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250 GBP = 459.126 USD

uhhh what is the price of it in U.S. Dollars?! :confused:

[Jushiko]

uhhh what is the price of it in U.S. Dollars?! :confused:

I dunno, but those USD things sound interesting.

If only we could find the price in U.S. Dollars

[Viper]

uhhh what is the price of it in U.S. Dollars?! :confused:
$459.13

[orcus116]

People will still buy it.

[Notedog]

I dunno, but those USD things sound interesting.

If only we could find the price in U.S. Dollars

Try to be a little nicer to the Newbs Jushiko

[Jushiko]

Try to be a little nicer to the Newbs Jushiko

I appreciate the advice, but I don't like your tone.

[Kliq]

Not sure your average joe could run out and buy a handheld that cost more than their home console.

[r33hash]

Im gonna run out and buy this the first day its out, and Im about as average a Joe as you can get. But somehow, Ill make sure that I can get one. Just work more, prolly.

[Notedog]

Only if the games deliver. Oh and Jushiko, you wanna start something BITCH?

[r33hash]

Now now children..........lets not spam it up with lame insults and repetitous slams......I dont think that game quality will be much of an issue. I have already heard of quite a few (at least 10) developers jumping on the bandwagon. Although I am a bit dissapointed in Square Enix....they still are undecided about making games for PSP.

[Notedog]

Neither has Capcom

[Peter]

I cant wait to hear the battery life. It'll probably be as short as a portable DVD player.

[dork]

i'd rather get a phantom...

[orcus116]

If the handheld is $460 I don't even wanna imagine how much the games are gonna cost.

[r33hash]

The games will be no more than 50......otherwise, that would be insane. Besides, this price is not set in stone. There is still almost a year before it comes out. And I garuntee the battery life will be longer than a DVD player. They wouldnt release the damn thing if it didnt stand a chance.

[The joker]

This is a joke right? Tell me this is a joke. The people at Sony just want to lose money don't they? Most of the poeple who play video games on handhelds are between their twenties and seven years old, I'm sure bachelors are having enough trouble paying the rent until the find a career than to sacrifice what looks like four days pay (for a bachelor) for a handheld and mommy and daddy sure aren't gonna buy little Jimmy a handheld that costs more than their T.V. and half the crap on that handheld little Jimmy ain't even gonna use.

Sony you are so stupid.

[dncardman]

Over $400? Well there goes half of the people that we speculating on wether to buy it or not.

[Kevin]

People will still buy it, yes.. but not a huge amount. Until I saw this figure, I was thinking of buying one myself. However, Sony has the marketing power to stay in the game long enough for the technology to become cheaper where price cuts will ensue. If Nintendo does not release a cheaper competitor within a certain timeframe, they will be crushed. And Nintendo definitely needs to drop their royalty price for 3rd parties.

[smellslikenintendospirit]

So first they come up with PSX for a thousand dollars, then PS2 in China where everyone is still buying Super Nintendo, and now they make PSP over 400 dollars. Brilliant.

[The Dude]

*looks for change in couch*

Nope I won't pay it

[Haris]

I dunno, but those USD things sound interesting.

If only we could find the price in U.S. Dollars

I love you.


Anyway, yeah I was a PSP fanboy since the beginning, but I hope the shit gets cheaper...

[Notedog]

This is a joke right? Tell me this is a joke. The people at Sony just want to lose money don't they? Most of the poeple who play video games on handhelds are between their twenties and seven years old, I'm sure bachelors are having enough trouble paying the rent until the find a career than to sacrifice what looks like four days pay (for a bachelor) for a handheld and mommy and daddy sure aren't gonna buy little Jimmy a handheld that costs more than their T.V. and half the crap on that handheld little Jimmy ain't even gonna use.

Sony you are so stupid.

Probably one of the smartest comments I've heard on these forums.

DAVID

100)
Item Name: Switchblade Ring
Scenario: 5
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL A, HARD/VERY HARD B
Room Name: B2F PASSAGE ELEVATOR
Location : The left side of the metal shelf with the first aid spray (search
facing right with David's back facing the wooden planks on the left)
Description: There's a tiny button that releases a blade. Too small to be
practical, though.

ALLYSSA

119)
Item Name: Necklance
Scenario: 5
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL/HARD/VERY HARD B
Room Name: 2F PRESIDENTS' ROOM
Location : Left side of the table with the HANDGUN CLIPS underneath
Description: A diamond necklace. This ought to turn a few heads.

120)
Item Name: Vitamin Tabs
Scenario: 5
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL A, HARD/VERY HARD
Room Name: B4F STOREROOM
Location : The gray storage cabinet in front of the emission tower hole
Description: This is the same brand I take every morning.

JIM


126)
Item Name: Pump-style Shoes
Scenario: 1
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL A
Room Name: 1F IN FRONT OF APPLE INN
Location : The bin in front of the door where the cop walk out from
Description: People though these were the sh*t back in high school. Didn't
know they still made 'em.

127)
Item Name: Cheating Coin
Scenario: 1
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL/HARD/VERY HARD B
Room Name: 2F STAFF ROOM
Location : The spot where the 3 wooden planks are (you might have to build the
barricades and remove the wooden planks first. Search a little to the right)
Description: A double-headed coin. I could cheat someone with this and they
wouldn't even know it, ya.

128)
Item Name: Friend's Shoes
Scenario: 1
Set Pattern & Difficulty: HARD/VERY HARD
Room Name: 1F MEN'S BATHROOM
Location : Trash bin (take away the Handgun first)
Description: My friend asked me to take care of these shoes for him. I hope
he's still alive...

129)
Item Name: Japanese Clogs
Scenario: 2
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL
Room Name: 1F MARSHALING YARD
Location : At the opposite corner of the turn table, search the area besides
the barrels
Description: Japanese "geta" shoes. I'll stick with my basketball shoes, ya.

130)
Item Name: Lightweight Shoes
Scenario: 2
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL
Room Name: B6F BREAK ROOM
Location : The bin on the left side of the vending machine
Description: Shoes for marathons and sh*ts.

131)
Item Name: Rare Card
Scenario: 2
Set Pattern & Difficulty: HARD/VERY HARD A
Room Name: B6F EAST PASSAGE
Location : The corner between the vending machine and the wall
Description: This is a rare basketball card. I could make big money sellin'
this.

132)
Item Name: Subway Time Table
Scenario: 3
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL
Room Name: 2F PASSAGE
Location : The bin in front of a staircase
Description: I knew I dropped that somewhere. Course, I have it memorized
anyway. It's my job. Know what I'm sayin'?

133)
Item Name: Shoe Repair Kit
Scenario: 3
Set Pattern & Difficulty: HARD/VERY HARD A
Room Name: 3F ROOM 301
Location : The table for the bed near the door (search the chemical bottles
Description: You should always take good care of your shoes, man. I polish
mine every day.

134)
Item Name: Cheap Shoes
Scenario: 3
Set Pattern & Difficulty: HARD/VERY HARD
Room Name: 1F LOCKER ROOM
Location : The second locker from the left (kill the female zombie first)
Description: Ain't nothin' wrong with some cheap-ass shoes sometimes.

135)
Item Name: Crossword Magazine
Scenario: 4
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL, HARD/vERY HARD A
Room Name: 2F ROOM 202
Location : Bed (take away the BUTCHER KNIFE first)
Description: My favourite magazine. This is a good find, ya.

136)
Item Name: Model Train
Scenario: 4
Set Pattern & Difficulty: HARD
Room Name: 3F ROOM 301
Location : The chair near the door
Description: A model of an old train. Man, I dig this sh*t. Old trains got
style.


138)
Item Name: Marine Sport Shoes
Scenario: 5
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL
Room Name: B2F PIERS
Location : Search in front of the digit "5" located on the left side of the
giant shutter (near FIRST AID SPRAY)
Description: Marine sports? When do you ever see a brother surfin?

139)
Item Name: Popular Sneakers
Scenario: 5
Set Pattern & Difficulty: HARD/VERY HARD
Room Name: 1F PASSAGE B
Location : The iron mesh fence beside the door
Description: Most people think they are the sh*t, but I don't dig the design.
They got no style.

140)
Item Name: Puzzle Ring
Scenario: 5
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL A, HARD/VERY HARD B
Room Name: B3F SHED
Location : The road kerbs at the opposite of the room
Description: They say it's impossible to solve. We'll see about that...

YOKO


147)
Item Name: Cute Strap
Scenario: 1
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL A
Room Name: 2F STAFF ROOM
Location : Between the refrigerator and the cabinet drawer
Description: This is the kind of strap people in Japan use on their cell
phones. It has a cute little dog on it.

148)
Item Name: "Unlock the Brain"
Scenario: 1
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL A, HARD/VERY HARD B
Room Name: 2F OWNER'S ROOM
Location : The right side of the book shelf facing the door
Description: "Unlock the hidden potential of the human mind." What are human
beings really capable of?

149)
Item Name: "Evolution"
Scenario: 2
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL, HARD/VERY HARD A
Room Name: B7F CHEMICAL STORAGE ROOM
Location : Search the left wall of the computer (you might need to enter the
passcode first)
Description: "Mysteries of Darwinian evolution explained." I can't put this
book down once I started reading it.

150)
Item Name: "Seize Tomorrow!"
Scenario: 2
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL
Room Name: B6F BREAK ROOM
Location : The blue document file
Description: This must be what mom calls "manga." Ths subtitle is "Fierce-
blooded Heart Story." I don't get it...

151)
Item Name: "From Sea to Land"
Scenario: 2
Set Pattern & Difficulty: HARD/VERY HARD B
Room Name: B7F LABORATORY
Location : The laptop with the map
Description: "The amazing journey of early sea creatures to the strange new
world of dry land."

152)
Item Name: Awful Strap
Scenario: 3
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL A, HARD/VERY HARD B
Room Name: 3F ROOM 301
Location : The small table for the bed near the door
Description: This is the kind of strap people in Japan use on their cell
phones. It has a creepy skull on it.

153)
Item Name: Advanced Glasses
Scenario: 3
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL, HARD/VERY HARD A
Room Name: 2F NURSES' STATION
Location : Directly across the door. (at the left edge of the aspirin and
flu medicine cabinet).
Description: Why would you want zoom lenses and a bottle opener on your
glasses?

154)
Item Name: "DNA Diagrams"
Scenario: 3
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL B, HARD/VERY HARD A
Room Name: 1F DOCTORS' STATION
Location : The cabinet besides the elevator
Description: This is an illustrated book of DNA diagrams done by researchers.

155)
Item Name: "Love Yourself"
Scenario: 4
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL A
Room Name: 3F ROOM 301
Location : The bin on the right side of the study table
(Note that this appear in the same location as the Tasty Cookie.
If you pick up the Tasty Cookie, that means you are in the "B" game, so
quit and restart again).
Description: Chapters include: "Self-love without the mess" and "I am special"

156)
Item Name: "Knowledge Book"
Scenario: 4
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL/HARD/VERY HARD B
Room Name: 2F ROOM 204
Location : The luggages in front of the door
Description: A book on world trivia. It's awfully heavy.

157)
Item Name: "Take Control!"
Scenario: 4
Set Pattern & Difficulty: HARD/VERY HARD A
Room Name: ROOM 101
Location : The pillow area between the beds
Description: "A book for the indecisive." I'm afraid to read this...

158)
Item Name: Thick Glasses
Scenario: 5
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL A, HARD/VERY HARD B
Room Name: 1F GENERAL MANAGER ROOM
Location : Search the pen holder besides the table lamp on the computer table
Description: Then lenses are so powerful... they make me dizzy.

159)
Item Name: "Programming Tips"
Scenario: 5
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL
Room Name: 2F DRAWING ROOM
Location : The table (with the table lamp and a computer) nearest the door
Description: I already have so many books on programming... This one looks
interesting, though.

160)
Item Name: High-capacity HDD
Scenario: 5
Set Pattern & Difficulty: EASY/NORMAL B, HARD/VERY HARD
Room Name: B3F WATER WORKS MANAGEMENT OFFICE
Location : Right side of the P-base machine
Description: Why would this be here of all places?

[goku2057]

With a price like that, Nintendo has no need to release a new handheld. The GBA SP will do quite well against that price tag, especially if it gets a price cut, which it surely will, right before the PSP launch.

[Jushiko]

Only if the games deliver. Oh and Jushiko, you wanna start something BITCH?

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Maybe they will change their strategy for selling this thing in the U.S., you know, loss on the handheld, profit on the games?

[r33hash]

I still think that Nintendo will make a new GB. Whether it comes out around the same time as the PSP or not, they will release one in the near future. Like within a year from now. They just need to upgrade the quality.

[DLX]

I still think that Nintendo will make a new GB. Whether it comes out around the same time as the PSP or not, they will release one in the near future. Like within a year from now. They just need to upgrade the quality.

I second that. Nintendo will need more then just the price diffrence to get a definitive edge on sony. The worst they could do is once again make the same mistake of underestimating sony's potential. I think the best thing to do is release a new and improved version of the GBA. That coupled with price difference should proove to be enough to gain some kind of long running edge on sony in the handheld market.

[Haris]

What's GTFO?

[dncardman]

^haha yeah that's what I was thinking.

[r33hash]

I think "Get The F*** Out"

[Haris]

Ah. Of course. Classic Jushiko saying.

[The Dude]

it cant compete with gba at that price, maybe N-Gage?

[Haris]

My left ass cheek could compete with N-Gage.

[KamiKaZe]

i'm sure as hell not gonna get it if its that frickin high. in fact, i probly wouldn't get it if it was 200

[Viper]

i'm sure as hell not gonna get it if its that frickin high. in fact, i probly wouldn't get it if it was 200
A handheld for more than $150.00 is too much to me, so I agree.

[r33hash]

Im buyin it no matter how high....well....if its beyond $500....I might have a tough time shiften that money then...but who knows. I doubt it would be that high. Sony isnt that thick.

[Haris]

I want it, but I probably won't be able to afford it.

[r33hash]

Ha. This otta make you all go "WOW". EA confirmed that they are developing between 8 and 12 games to launch with the PSP.

EA also stated that he expects the PSP to ship around November.

But most interesting, and wonderful to me is, EA expects the price of the PSP to be around $199-$249. Thats how much less that people have been speculating?

[Viper]

EA speculated that.....Sony themselves and 4 other companies and analysts are still saying $350.00 and over up to $500.00.

[r33hash]

Yeah, well, I can always hope cant I. I doubt that they will really make it more than 250. I just cant see that happenining. Not for a handheld.

[Generic Wheaties]

Ouch. I'm not buying it. But its almost the same thing with GBA SP and GC. They're the same price. SP really needs to be dropped 30$ or so.

[Kevin]

I don't portable game much, so I'd much rather buy an Xbox, PS2, or even another GameCube before I bought a PSP.

[Haris]

Yeah, well, I can always hope cant I. I doubt that they will really make it more than 250. I just cant see that happenining. Not for a handheld.

YES! Keep the hope alive, Shyboy!! We can do it!


Pfft, fuck it, there's no way it will be cheap enough for me to afford it. Comfortably.

[TheGreenElf]

Im buyin it no matter how high....well....if its beyond $500....I might have a tough time shiften that money then...but who knows. I doubt it would be that high. Sony isnt that thick.
No but they are thick enough to charge $460... :)

[r33hash]

Ha. No way they will charge that much. I mean think about it. They know no one is going to want to buy a handheld that costs 500 bucks. They wouldnt be that stupid..

[håvard]

Holy crap , thats expensive !!!!

[Glenn2K4]

Ha. No way they will charge that much. I mean think about it. They know no one is going to want to buy a handheld that costs 500 bucks. They wouldnt be that stupid..
i agree with you....500 for the PSP wont happen.

i am sure they will drop it before its release date.
especially since they want the PSP to be this generation's "walkman."
..they aren't going to give it a price that isn't comfortable universally.

the PSP will see a lower price than 499.99. trust me.

[Crow]

for £250 you could get a second hand XBox, and a Brand NEW PS2 AND GCN, hmm 3 consoles or one hand held.......hmmmm

[Michael]

It was only a matter of time...this is why sony decided not to go with the more powerful battery system...think 529.99$....

[Sabur]

price is irrelivent to me the system isnt what i want... its sony so they system its self is going to suck... like all of thier systems... they are all porley desgined

[AntiRealityHero]

Uh, anyone else notice this thread is over 5 months old? :roll:

[Michael]

Nope...

[Haris]

No, not really.

Wow, I highly doubt I'll be copping one of these bitches.

[Michael]

No, not really.

Wow, I highly doubt I'll be copping one of these bitches.

Yeah, I was Ds to Psp, but now I think I'll go with Ds (solidified)...and now that I look at the psp, I can say it only really has graphics....that's it...and the price, I think it'd be higher, because the 460 is just paying for the features what Sony would be making no money at this price...unless the price is already added, but from vipers breakdown, I don't see it being added yet...not to mention all the stuff you'd have to pay for just to get the most out of it...specialized disk format...probably pay a fortune for wifi...50$ games are almost a give...no way I'm getting this...

[Shoxx]

There's no way they're going to charge that much for a handheld. It's insane.

[Haris]

I probably won't get either...

When were they supposed to come out again?

[IEatFriedPikmin]

hmmm... i think i will just get a PS2 at my pawn shop for $80.

[Shoxx]

I probably won't get either...

When were they supposed to come out again?

Sometime at the beginning of 2005.

[Viper]

Nov 2004 in Japan and march 18th, 2005 for the US and Europe.

[BriSter1337]

250 GBP = 459.126 USD

For all you people waiting to buy a PSP......




owned.

[aerofan113]

I told you guys there was no way in hell this was going to retail for less than $300.00 USD. And Notedog, you're right, gaming should be first and foremost with only a small amount of extras...not this blasphemous monstrocity to handheld gaming.


Before you start praising yourself for this great call you might want to wait untill a final production model has been laid out. One thing that we should have all learned is that Sony isnt dumb. They arent kicking Nintendos ass in sales because the sit in the office and play darts all day. I pray that the PSP flops but i dont thin that Sony would put out a product that was guarenteed to lose money.

[Viper]

Before you start praising yourself for this great call you might want to wait untill a final production model has been laid out. One thing that we should have all learned is that Sony isnt dumb. They arent kicking Nintendos ass in sales because the sit in the office and play darts all day. I pray that the PSP flops but i dont thin that Sony would put out a product that was guarenteed to lose money.
PSX.

[Michael]

^Ps1...what was the point of that...if it was already in the new generation...

[Viper]

No...PSX, no the PS1.


PSX, the $900.00 PS2/TiVo system.

[MCKingKongMushi]

HAHAHA, they expect this thing to sell? Idiots.




I dunno, but those USD things sound interesting.

If only we could find the price in U.S. Dollars

I fucking love you.

[Michael]

No...PSX, no the PS1.


PSX, the $900.00 PS2/TiVo system.

I mean the redesigned ps1, before it was called the ps1...it had the ugly bage color, but when ps2 came out, they also came out with ps1...

[aman]

ha

No one will buy that pile of crap for 460$, convert that to aussie dollars and thats a whopping 650$ to shell out. not likely..

[Glenn2K4]

Before you start praising yourself for this great call you might want to wait untill a final production model has been laid out. One thing that we should have all learned is that Sony isnt dumb. They arent kicking Nintendos ass in sales because the sit in the office and play darts all day.
that is my whole viewpoint.

sony isn't dumb, so i wouldn't get out the champagne and glasses out yet.
wait for a finalized model, price, and then compare.

even at this point, sony can slim down the features of the psp, making it marketably cheaper and cost friendly.

the game is still early. :spiny:

[Viper]

Of course they could but that goes all the way to the point that Bonnell from Atari said....Sony is keeping them as much in the dark as the gamers and that is fucked up.

Read.
http://www.nintendonow.com/forums/showpost.php?p=424430&postcount=1

[Michael]

I think sony knows the psp will flop badly, they just want to take developers that are spending insane amounts of money to support it to flop with them...

[FeNiX]

NoteDog is gay thats all i got to say

[aerofan113]

No...PSX, no the PS1.


PSX, the $900.00 PS2/TiVo system.

Viper, the PSX doesnt count. Its not their main product in the console market is it? The PS2 is. The PSP will be the main seller in that field for Sony. If the PSP fails, it will be Sonys first major blunder in their video game history.

[Freeman_JI]

$700 Aust hmm I take back everything i said about the PSP, let the crappily produced piece of electroniocs burn.

[meowmix]

i hope my dad buys a psp for me and my brothers cause i aint sharing!


p.s. sarcasm!

[Viper]

i dont thin that Sony would put out a product that was guarenteed to lose money.
PSX.
Viper, the PSX doesnt count. Its not their main product in the console market is it? The PS2 is. The PSP will be the main seller in that field for Sony. If the PSP fails, it will be Sonys first major blunder in their video game history.
The PSP is not their main console in the video game market either. The PS2 is....you even said it yourself. You also said.....i dont thin that Sony would put out a product that was guarenteed to lose money.The PSX is a Sony video game market product that was guaranteed to lose money.

[Michael]

I have to say that sony only does things for money, that's there greatest weakness and there greatest strengh.

[koten]

Sony's main problem is that they have become a bunch of assholes. Seriously. They entered the console market to spite nintendo for breaking the deal that would have lost them money (disk drive for the SNES), so sony made the Playstation 1, they did well (made NO money on hardware) and decided to release PS2, still no profit on hardware, and now decided to enter the handheld market to spite nintendo cause they proved they could do it in the console market

[Serene Samus]

PSP will be the greatest bust of the 21st century.

[koten]

I think the N-gage holds that at the moment, but the PSP could easily usurp that

[Prince]

Sony's main problem is that they have become a bunch of assholes. Seriously. They entered the console market to spite nintendo for breaking the deal that would have lost them money (disk drive for the SNES), so sony made the Playstation 1, they did well (made NO money on hardware) and decided to release PS2, still no profit on hardware, and now decided to enter the handheld market to spite nintendo cause they proved they could do it in the console market

I don't see how that is being "assholes". All it is is being competitive. Both PS1 and PS2 made profits on hardware. It's one of the most profitable divisions in Sony so it only makes sense to expand into handhelds as well.

[koten]

PS2 hasn't made a cent on hardware. The costs of making the system was around 200 dollars, and at the new price, all the money they ever made at the 300 dollar price point is going out the door.

And do you recall it being sade that "Sony plans to eat their loses and release the PSP around $300 dollars." I'll look for the article that said that.

[Prince]

I wasn't talking about PSP, I was talking about PS1 and PS2. Although they took an initial loss early on, both PS1 and PS2 have made profits on the hardware.

[koten]

No they haven't. None of the Sony systems have ever made a cent on hardware. Or if they did, they quickly lost it.

[Crow]

I mean the redesigned ps1, before it was called the ps1...it had the ugly bage color, but when ps2 came out, they also came out with ps1...

http://www.vgame.ru/img/pristavki/32bit/PS-one.jpg

EDIT:
No...PSX, no the PS1.


PSX, the $900.00 PS2/TiVo system.

http://noticiasdot.com/publicaciones/2003/1003/0810/noticias081003/images/sony-psx.jpg

[alpha]

I dunno, but those USD things sound interesting.

If only we could find the price in U.S. Dollars


You asshole.


(always wanted to say that to you)


Oh and who bumped this thread?

[Shoxx]

The PSX looks interesting. I wonder why we don't have it yet.

[Viper]

The PSX looks interesting. I wonder why we don't have it yet.
It's being released later this year but are you going to pay over $800.00 for a PS2/Tivo system?

[aerofan113]

It's being released later this year but are you going to pay over $800.00 for a PS2/Tivo system?



No I wouldnt. I still belive that the PSP isnt another NGAGE though. Even Viper has to admit that Sony is spending way more money and time on the PSP than on the PSX. And when they say that they dont plan on making money on it, i think they are full of it. The PSX is simply a ploy to make ppl spend money. The PSP is meant to be a threat to the life of Nintendo.

[Shoxx]

Actually, the next gen is 256.

And the PSP will be a threat to Nintendo. You people are ALL wrong about the price.

[Viper]

Aerofan, I do agree that it won't bomb like the N-Gage merely because of brand recognition.



Actually, the next gen is 256.

And the PSP will be a threat to Nintendo. You people are ALL wrong about the price.
Bit depth no longer applies to gaming consoles. The GC and Xbox are both 32/64 bit hybrids yet are much more powerful thant the 128 bit PS2.


I'll say it this way for the PSP price.
$550.00 manufacturing price.
$350.00 - $400.000 retail.

[OutlawAdidas]

128 bit for the PS2, another example of sony trying to go to hardware and greater yet expensive technology. Where as Nintendo and M$ have done just about the opposite and still they surpass Sony. The PSP willl be a threat, but it all depends on how u see it

[r33hash]

The one cool thing about the PSX is the fact that you have a Tivo-like service without having to pay for it. Plus, burning cds, etc. If I had the money, I would buy it in a heartbeat. But I dont have that amount of money.

Now, with the PSP, I think Im going to do my absolute best to try and save up for that thing.

[koten]

^ and thats why it sold like absolut shit. Nobody wanted to pay that much for the damn thing, so nobody did.

[Kliq]

If I had a handheld over $300, I'd be no paranoid about it. Hell ... I'd probably be so worried about trying to keep it scratch-free that I wouldn't be able to fully enjoy it. Thats just me though.

[dncardman]

Yeah and if you loose it and/or it breaks you gotta come up with another $500. So you could end up spending a grand on just a freekin handheld.

[OutlawAdidas]

it doesn't matter, its called Casual Gamers. They suck up everything.

[BriSter1337]

Actually, the next gen is 256.

And the PSP will be a threat to Nintendo. You people are ALL wrong about the price.

You're just lying to yourself because you desperately hope that the PSP will be in your price range at launch. No doubt it'll be AT LEAST the price of the PS2 was at lanch, $299. And that's an awful lot of money for a handheld that has no online features and 2.5 hour battery life.

[Shoxx]

Even if it is $300, I'm still buying it.

[Glenn2K4]

$550.00 manufacturing price.
$350.00 - $400.000 retail.
source link request for the supposed "manufacturing price" please.
128 bit for the PS2, another example of sony trying to go to hardware and greater yet expensive technology. Where as Nintendo and M$ have done just about the opposite and still they surpass Sony.
exactly how has MS and Nintendo "surpassed" Sony....hardware sales?
:queer:

i just think many of you are hoping that the PSP will be at such a huge price that it wont get off retail shelves, when you know in the back of your mind that the PSP could seriously hurt DS sales otherwise.

if sony does eat the costs of hardware and sells it a keyprice that consumers are willing to pay (finding this out through research), the PSP could dent handheld sales

......remember, we are the same generation that'll spend $500 at Best Buy purchasing $300 PDAs, $100 worth of DVD movies in one trip, etc

[Viper]

Glenn....the source is the first post in this thread.

What Outlaw means is technical, not sales. Sony made a 128 bit machine and hyped the hell out of that fact and MS and Nintendo made 32/64 bit hybrids and yet they are much more powerful than the PS2.

[r33hash]

If the PSP is priced more than 300, then it will drop within two months of release. Same with the games. They will not be anymore than 40 bucks a piece. And lets not forget, you are paying for an MP3 player, movie playback, gaming device, and who knows what else. And as for battery life, we still dont know that one for sure either.

[Viper]

Movies and music that can only be played on that machine and no where else.

[aerofan113]

since when will it have the movie playback?

[OutlawAdidas]

but still.....it will cost alot

[Viper]

since when will it have the movie playback?
It can play UMD movies. You can buy movies for it, those that are from Sony are more than likely the only ones to come out, and play it on the PSP but since it uses the UMD format of the PSp, it can't be played anywhere else. It's also a huge battery drainer so you can forget watching Gladiator on it.

[r33hash]

But, if you are planning on watching a 3.5 hr movie, without having somewhere to plug into, then you have issues. Plus, if the UMD format works well enough, it could catch on some.

[OutlawAdidas]

UMD, how bout no. No one feels like accepting all this new shit from Sony. Sony thinks that we will, but at a price.

[r33hash]

If the format is quality, then people will take to it. Its simple as that. It has nothing to do with persuasion or bullying or anything like that. Companies as large as the ones who will be supporting Sony are able to make their own competent desicions.

[OutlawAdidas]

Well I'm hoping that wat they are doing flops

[BriSter1337]

It can play UMD movies. You can buy movies for it, those that are from Sony are more than likely the only ones to come out, and play it on the PSP but since it uses the UMD format of the PSp, it can't be played anywhere else. It's also a huge battery drainer so you can forget watching Gladiator on it.

Why would anyone buy a "UMD" movie? It probably costs twice as much as a DVD movie, plus, if you're watching Lord of the Rings on the PSP, you'll have to spend 5 hours recharging the battery when it runs out after 2 and a half hours just to see the ending.

UMD, how bout no. No one feels like accepting all this new shit from Sony. Sony thinks that we will, but at a price.

It seems OutlawAdidas agrees with me.

And, ahem, there are basically no movies that are short enough that will not demand a battery recharge sometime when you are watching it.

Plus the PSP has no Wi-Fi. What would you rather have? A $300+ handheld so you can play one player games for only 2.5 hours at a time (PSP), or a $150 handheld (DS) that you can play for 10 hours at a time and be talking to someone halfway across the world trading items with them in Animal Crossing?

I think I've proven my point. If I haven't, then too bad. Be a sucker and buy a PSP.

[OutlawAdidas]

let it be. I'm waiting to hear the million of complaints that ppl are gonna have when they drop their PSP on the ground the motor dies

[Shoxx]

That is the only thing I am concerned about. But, Sony will need to give us some answers real soon. And we probably won't hear anything until the Tokyo Game Show.

[Glenn2K4]

Why would anyone buy a "UMD" movie? It probably costs twice as much as a DVD movie, plus, if you're watching Lord of the Rings on the PSP, you'll have to spend 5 hours recharging the battery when it runs out after 2 and a half hours just to see the ending.

why would any buy a UMD movie?

simply because it will be a new format that will catch on in the industry..if any one can do it, it is sony. They are starting a new format with the PS3, they already started their own memorystick format and was successful...and so will the UMD. They didnt call it the "Universal Memory Disc" such because it sounded pretty...

" Transfer rate for the reader unit is 11 Megabits per second, which is twice the transfer rate of a standard DVD system. Sony is also promising the highest level of copy protection for these discs using DiscID and AES encoding technology."+ (http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/430/430939p1.html?fromint=1) --- sounds like other companies would be intersted in investing in this format to me :yum:

It will start with the PSP but it will spread further, making the UMD a strong contender in media....look forward to seeing players in the future say "plays DVD & UMD discs"

And, ahem, there are basically no movies that are short enough that will not demand a battery recharge sometime when you are watching it.

Plus the PSP has no Wi-Fi. What would you rather have? A $300+ handheld so you can play one player games for only 2.5 hours at a time (PSP), or a $150 handheld (DS) that you can play for 10 hours at a time and be talking to someone halfway across the world trading items with them in Animal Crossing?

I think I've proven my point. If I haven't, then too bad. Be a sucker and buy a PSP.
talking to someone halfway across the world?

whoa, wait...DS cant do that
Wi-Fi = a wireless networking technology for PCs and PDAs that allows multiple devices to share a single high-speed Internet connection over a distance of about 300 feet.

i get your point....i just dont want you to expect something from the DS that it cant do and be disappointed.

and as for the battery problem, im sure sony will have a (simple) solution to the battery span problem
....perhaps a rechargable battery pack?
:queer:

[Crow]

yeh there will probabily be a rechargeable battery like a mobile/cellular phone, the problem would be people charging them when they dont need to be charged and the battery life will go down

[Glenn2K4]

im almost positive that rechargable battery packs will be announced with the PSP
people surely buy accessories like crazy for new devices (read: PS2 launch).

and hey, if they dont charge them right, im sure sony will have a good supply of them for people to buy, thus raising their revenue and reducing their losses. :)

[Crow]

True, but usually its not Sony ripping people off, thats Microsoft's trick, remember how people had to buy a remote to watch DVD's tut :nono:

[Glenn2K4]

^ haha, thats true...MS played dirty making people pay $20 for a unlock remote.

[AntiRealityHero]

talking to someone halfway across the world?

whoa, wait...DS cant do that
Wi-Fi = a wireless networking technology for PCs and PDAs that allows multiple devices to share a single high-speed Internet connection over a distance of about 300 feet.


Players will be able to chat and play games without any connecting cords, completely untethered. The DS technology also provides for a wireless LAN connection, which could allow a theoretically infinite number of players to connect at a hot spot and compete at a central game hub on the Internet, even if they're thousands of miles apart.

Nintendo.com (http://www.nintendo.com/e3_2004/ds/ds_overview.jsp)

:wave:

[Gilly]

No way in hell i'm gonna buy it if it's $460.
Where am i gonna get that kind of money?
I haven't even got a GBA yet!

[OutlawAdidas]

All i gots to say is Bring it On

[Crow]

do you think you can pay them in NNow credits?

[OutlawAdidas]

haha, I don't think Sony would want NN credits. But its worth a try

[Glenn2K4]

Players will be able to chat and play games without any connecting cords, completely untethered. The DS technology also provides for a wireless LAN connection, which could allow a theoretically infinite number of players to connect at a hot spot and compete at a central game hub on the Internet, even if they're thousands of miles apart.

Nintendo.com (http://www.nintendo.com/e3_2004/ds/ds_overview.jsp)

keywords in bold.

im thinking hot spots....like say, gaming stores or something because usually LANs are pretty restrictive as well.

[AntiRealityHero]

keywords in bold.

im thinking hot spots....like say, gaming stores or something because usually LANs are pretty restrictive as well.

Keywords in bold.

Sure you can hook up at internet cafes and various places. But you can also hook up to a home wireless router [which is what I'm using right now] and connect to the internet. I believe the protocol they stated the DS would use was 802.11b which is also compatible with 802.11g. So as long as you are within 100 feet or so of a wireless router, you can connect around the world using the same internet connection.

[Glenn2K4]

true, this is a solution. hopefully alot of people use routers in their homes.

just read about this:
"A big issue with 802.11g, which also applies to 802.11b, is considerable RF interference from other 2.4 GHz devices, such as the newer cordless phones. Companies often complain about limited wireless LAN performance when people in the facility operate cordless telephones. It possible to manage the problem by limiting sources of RF interference; however, you can't always eliminate the problem. "

hope this doesn't cause to many problem for people with cordless phones in their homes. :(

[The_Cat]

true, this is a solution. hopefully alot of people use routers in their homes.

just read about this:
"A big issue with 802.11g, which also applies to 802.11b, is considerable RF interference from other 2.4 GHz devices, such as the newer cordless phones. Companies often complain about limited wireless LAN performance when people in the facility operate cordless telephones. It possible to manage the problem by limiting sources of RF interference; however, you can't always eliminate the problem. "

hope this doesn't cause to many problem for people with cordless phones in their homes. :(

I use a wireless router at home, and have had very few problems with it. It works great. You basically just plug it in and forget it's even there.

[Glenn2K4]

i need one of those....badly.

[Dwhitten]

I remember when Ps2 was really expensive....