200gb hdd before ps3 launch

[Pumpkin Head]

Their 200gb drive will be in mass production by August, and should be available by the end of the year. Expect a lot of people purchasing $500 PS3's and getting this bad boy swapped out with their 20gb drive....


Toshiba Corp., one of the largest IT-related companies in the world with a lot of patented inventions that have changed the face of the e-world, has come up with a new one: 2.5-inch hard disk drive (HDD) that uses perpendicular magnetic recording technology to achieve the industry's largest 200GB capacity with only two platters.

The disk uses perpendicular magnetic recording technology to hold 277.1 megabits per square millimetre, or 178.8 gigabits per square inch. This density surpasses the current record, which Toshiba also holds, at 133 gigabits per square inch.

With this original storage device Toshiba becomes the undisputed leader in small form factor hard disk drives. Toshiba's second-generation PMR offering features the worlds highest areal density at 178.8 gigabits per square inch and the highest-capacity drive on the market in the standard 9.5mm mobile PC format. The HDD- named MK2035GSS- is based on Perpendicular Magnetic Recording (PMR) technology. It incorporates the Serial ATA (SATA) II interface and is ATA-7 compliant, supporting high transfer rates of up to 150 megabytes per second.

Other technical specifications include a rotational Speed of 4,200rpm, 8MB buffer, 300,000 MTTF Hours, 12ms Average Seek Time and a hight of 9.5mm for only 98 grams.

Mass production is expected to start in August 2006. It seems that Toshiba has big plans for its product, since currently they are in talks with Microsoft and NTT DoCOMo to build an iPod rival for the Japanese market. The company will showcase the new HDD at Computex in Taipei, Taiwan, June 6-10, 2006.


http://www.playfuls.com/news_02851_Toshiba_unveils_new_200GB_HDD_with_adva nced_High_Density_technology.html

[xbdestroya]

Well, they won't be building an iPod rival with this particular product; they'd need to use smaller form-factor drives for that.

[Pumpkin Head]

Unfortunately it is using perpendicular technology which may increase price, and that's on top of the fact that it is a 2.5" drive to begin with, which usually costs a lot to begin with. Hopefully Toshiba is as serious about getting these pumped out as they say and can cut costs and make them attractive to consumers as add-ons. They will no doubt be trying to work deals with laptop companies, but will they try and market these toward upgraders and enthusiasts?

Regardless of price, there will be A LOT of PS3 buyers that don't even want/need the HDMI, and would rather have a lot of space. This could be a convenient deal, because the money they save on not buying the $600 PS3, with 40gb extra, they could spend toward getting 180gb extra. It all depends on the person.

[cliffbo]

no point in getting excited about this news...

[Sephiroth_VII]

From what I can see, this has nothing to do with PS3. Who says that Sony will use this drive? This isn't related to PS3 at all.

EDIT: Ok, you were right, I was wrong. It can be used with the PS3:
users will, after all, be able to swap the built in hard drive out with any standard drive they pick up at a computer hardware store.
(http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1117891&postcount=6)

[Z]

good to know bigger 2.5" HDDs are coming out.

as for me, I'll be playing around with my 60G HDD till I feel there is a need for a higher capacity drive before I buy one for my PS3. the fact that you can simply use a USB cable and link you PS3 to your PC gives me alot of freedom. I can use my PC as a large archive for material I am about to delete on the PS3. for starters, I'll definitly keep a save file for every game I play on it. that and other in-game pics and video (still not specified how this feature will be executed). I may need a bigger HDD if they start to offer PSOne, PS2, PSP and PS3 game downloads, along with movie, music, P2P and other material.

[Sephiroth_VII]

I remember reading that you'll also be able to hook it up to your PC via the ethernet port. I'll see if I can dig up the relevant article.

[Leedogg]

you guys forgot to look at 2 things....

The speed of the HDD is 4,200 RPM
and the average ms time is 12 ms

compared too....

They got 80 GB HDD 2.5 drives at 7,200 rpm
and seek times at 10 ms

I would rather wait a couple years and get the same 200 HD at the 7,200 RPM speeds.

[SS]

There are drives out right now that are large and fast, mind that they arent the bleeding edge of either, but they're sufficient I think.
Seagate makes a 2.5inch 160GB 5400rpm drive: http://www.seagate.com/products/notebook

This of course means that these perpendicular recording drives are only going to get cheaper and better. I remember reading somewhere that toshiba see's the possibility of taking those types of drives up to 500GB or maybe more :drool:

Edit: I found the article that mentions the 500GB drives:

Theoretically, the limit on achievable areal density for PMR is around 1 terabit/in.2, compared with the roughly 180 Gbits/ in.2 on the new drive. Toshiba expects to continue driving media, head design, signal paths, and positioners for some time to come. So while terabit density is not right around the corner, it is quite conceivable that the current technology platform can produce 500 Gbytes or more in the 2.5-in. form factor.

http://www.edn.com/article/CA6340837.html?industryid=2283

[LaLiLuLeLo]

man, how much will these 200gb+ drives be??

[Hrama]

I imagine a pretty penny because of their miniscule dimensions. I will probably be doing the same thing as Z, keeping the stock 60gig until I feel the need for something bigger, much like my computer. I have had a 40 gig HDD for... 4 years now I think and I just recently added a 250. I really worked hard to keep that old drive working, compressed the entire thing and everything. Good times, good times...

[Z]

how about this for a long, painful, wait and a big jump in HDD size:
I had a 2G HDD (yes, only 2G) for 4 years. then I jumped to 200G. I still have an evil laugh every time I check it and still find more than have of it is empty despite all my media files. Muahahah.

I jumped from a 32M Memory Stick for my PSP to a 1G. next jump will be to the 8G later this year. again, Muahahaha.

man, I am so evil.

[Sephiroth_VII]

No broadband, 2GB HDD... Z, I'm feeling really sorry for you now. What a horrible existence you must have!!!!:cry2:

H0W CAN Y0U EV3N LI\/E!?!?!? :twitch:

Seriously Z, I'm barely able to keep my PSP files on two 2 gigs and one 4 gig HDD. I can't imagine having to live without my 1TB and 500GB HDD's. OMG, my RAM is double the size of your old HDD... Scary thought...

[GTShotoKen]

how about this for a long, painful, wait and a big jump in HDD size:
I had a 2G HDD (yes, only 2G) for 4 years. then I jumped to 200G. I still have an evil laugh every time I check it and still find more than have of it is empty despite all my media files. Muahahah.

I jumped from a 32M Memory Stick for my PSP to a 1G. next jump will be to the 8G later this year. again, Muahahaha.

man, I am so evil.

How about giving GG a small financial donation?

It will be for a great cause.

Come on Z! I can't do anything with a 32MB memory stick (I would mention my computer too, but the possibility of even upgrading it is too far gone).

[Sephiroth_VII]

What's your PC like, GG? I know it's off-topic, but there isn't much to discuss abut the HDD.

[Z]

No broadband, 2GB HDD... Z, I'm feeling really sorry for you now. What a horrible existence you must have!!!!
oh, no. that was in the past. now I got a kick ass PC with 1G RAM, 150G HDD, 3.4 Mhz Pentium CPU...the works. plus a good laptop: 60G HDD and 512 RAM just for starters.

the only thing missing now is broadband. STC is the Devil!! *you figure that one out ;) *

H0W CAN Y0U EV3N LI\/E!?!?!?
eating alot of ketchup.

just for kicks this is what I am saving for at the moment:
Bravia X 1080p 42" LCD TV. 7.1 surround sound system. PS3. broadband. I'll be getting them all at once! can you spell overkill? lol

now if I can only find away to sell my other kidney. O_o

[yoshaw]

oh, no. that was in the past. now I got a kick ass PC with 1G RAM, 150G HDD, 3.4 Mhz Pentium CPU...the works. plus a good laptop: 60G HDD and 512 RAM just for starters.

the only thing missing now is broadband. STC is the Devil!! *you figure that one out ;) *


eating alot of ketchup.

just for kicks this is what I am saving for at the moment:
Bravia X 1080p 42" LCD TV. 7.1 surround sound system. PS3. broadband. I'll be getting them all at once! can you spell overkill? lol

now if I can only find away to sell my other kidney. O_o

Offtopic,

Z, I remember Etisalat wanted to buy a big chunk out from the telecom market over there. How'd it go? You saw the no.s at which Etisalat operates broadband in Dubai, right. So if it was buying a share of STC's market , I wonder if that would help bring cheaper n faster broadband there.

I recall having my DSL speed jump from a meager 256kbps to 1MB within a single year for the same price. Good enough for me , hehe

[GTShotoKen]

What's your PC like, GG? I know it's off-topic, but there isn't much to discuss abut the HDD.

I remember posting them back on the old PC spec thread (I think that was what it was called?), but here's a refresher. http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/sad/1393.gif

Processor: AMD Athlon XP 1800+, 1.53GHZ, 266MHz FSB
Ram: 512MB PC2100 single channel
Motherboard: nforce 1 ultra
Harddrive: 60GB Ultra DMA (completely full) [5400rpms I think]
Sound: Onboard 2.0 stereo integerated sound card. (Craptastic)
Optical Drives: Compaq DVD-ROM SD-616T (rated the worst DVD-ROM drive ever...there isn't any driver support for it and Compaq doesn't even list it anymore) http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/sad/106.gif

All my external devices are connected to my PC with a hyper-awesomely fast USB 1.1 port system. http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/sad/014.gif

Only the best here for GG....

+sobs quietly

[venomv]

Seems better then my laptop a bit anyway.........

[GTShotoKen]

Seems better then my laptop a bit anyway.........

You have no idea how much that doesn't improve my feelings toward my comp situation.

[Sephiroth_VII]

God, my PC ownz everyone!! Scary.


Processor: Pentium 4 3.4 GHz
Ram: 2 GB(Don't know about the speed. Its' fast.)
Motherboard: ASUS P4VP-MX
Harddrive: 1 TB(7200 RPM)[25% full] | 500 GB(7200 RPM)[almost completely full] | 300 GB(7200 RPM)[75% full. This is the drive for all of my OS'. XP, Vista, various Linux distro's]
Sound: Creative 7.1 output(Don't know what it's called)
GPU: Nvidia 6800 256 MB
Optical Drives: Lite-On 16x DVD-write/read 2.4x DVD-dl-read/write | Samsung DVD 24x readonly
Monitor: CRT 1920x1440(21") | CRT 1280x1024 (15") [the newest addition]

As you can see, the only thing slowing me down is my GPU.

Let's end this and get back to the topic.

[Z]

damn Sephiroth. now that is a set-up!

thanks for making the rest of us feel like jumping off a bridge...

*starts packing to move to Sephiroths place*

[rpgamer_2k5]

Sephiroth_VII, I got two rigs at home.

One with a Pentium D 920, Geforce 6800GS, 1GB of RAM, and 250GB HDD and I'm currently using the beast. The other features the Opteron 165, 3GB of RAM, 500GB HDD, but sadly it uses a cheap Radeon X300 as a place holder for one. Pretty soon I'll be installing either the Geforce 7950GTX or the next-gen GPUs. This Intel rig has a 19" LCD monitor that can output 720p. And my AMD rig got a Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW, which can take 1080p easy. :)

[venomv]

You have no idea how much that doesn't improve my feelings toward my comp situation.

My laptop is better then my desktop if that helps, lol.

[GTShotoKen]

My laptop is better then my desktop if that helps, lol.

My new laptop will be too. Looks like we're in the same boat here venomv.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Looks like most of us are held back by our GPY's. Danm 7950 GTX 1024 mb, why are thee so expensive!?!!?

[GTShotoKen]

Since the topic of this thread needs no further discussion, I would like to continue the new topic at hand with a question.

I am getting a new Dell Inspiron notebook with a Geforce Go 7900 GS, but unfortunately, Dell underclocks the videocards going into notebooks other than the XPS so I won't be able to play videos or games with the card running at full speed.

Here is the question, would I be able to restore the card's standards clock speeds without having the side affects of overclocking?

It shouldn't hurt the card if I just restore its clocks to what they were normally manufactured at right?

If so, would I be able to clock it up to standard speed all in one swoop or does it have to be a painfully slow process like overclocking?

[Smokey]

minz a baby

p4 2.8
asus x series P4SP-MX-UAYZ motherboard
80gig hdd
1024 megram
16x allwrite dvd dl & ram read/write
17 inch crt
blue led chassis fan lol
GPU-none
sound-two crappy speakers

crap mine sux :)

[venomv]

@GG as long as it doesn't get to warm to should be able to over clock it fine, just take small steps and watch your heat.

[GTShotoKen]

@GG as long as it doesn't get to warm to should be able to over clock it fine, just take small steps and watch your heat.

Crap, the old overclocking routine.

My old 9600XT could overclock instantly to its highest manufactured clock with the overdrive system included in the catalyst drivers.

I thought I could do the same with the nvidia card if I don't clock it past its manufactured clockspeed.

Oh well, I guess it's for the best. I wonder how good the DNA nvidia drivers are...(if they even make them for mobile video cards)?

[Sephiroth_VII]

DELL IS TAH DEVIL:shifty:

Seriously, there's a reason thet they underclock those cards, and that's the cooling system. Most Pre-assembled PC's has pretty crappy cooliung, since most of the people buying them won't upgrade it. Heck, chances are that they'll never open it even once in their entire life. So, if you can get some better fans installed, you should be able to overclock it.

@Z: You're welcome. I'll ready our guest house, so just bring some games, and we'll have a LAN-party.

[venomv]

I wouldn't worry about it, except it is in a laptop, I have a Dell labtop thats less then 6 months old. I don't think it has anything that powerful in it and it gets pretty dang hot.

Dell makes some pretty good labtops from what I have heard, Sephiroth. I have owned 3, computers 2 where HP's and they are horrible quality compared to my laptop.

And speaking of upgrading the prebuilt computers, I attempted to put some RAM in one of mine and couldn't get anywhere near the motherboard without removing tons and tons of wire that didn't even need to be there, I have never got the point of that, but the always use wires that are way to long.

[Sephiroth_VII]

My experience with Dell hasn't been very rosy... In fact, it's been a bit like that old pot of who-knows-what in the bottom of the fridge. Like my Dell PC, once you open it up, it starts to smell...

[GTShotoKen]

My experience with Dell hasn't been very rosy... In fact, it's been a bit like that old pot of who-knows-what in the bottom of the fridge. Like my Dell PC, once you open it up, it starts to smell...

I heard there new XPS 700 remedies these problems, but that is still left to be seen.

I haven't heard anything bad about there laptops so I choose Dell. Alienware and Voodoo are too expensive and I have a desktop from HP/Compaq...I will never go to that company again.

[Z]

I love Vaios, but they are too damn expensive. Toshibas are great, but too bulky.
Sony has Vaios with around 8 or 9 hourse of battery time!

by the way, someone told me dual-core laptops are hitting the market. if you plan on getting a laptop now, you should wait a little more and see how these pan out.

[GTShotoKen]

I love Vaios, but they are too damn expensive. Toshibas are great, but too bulky.
Sony has Vaios with around 8 or 9 hourse of battery time!

by the way, someone told me dual-core laptops are hitting the market. if you plan on getting a laptop now, you should wait a little more and see how these pan out.

Um Z...dual core laptops are out now actually. I just ordered one from dell.

Specs List:

Processor: Intel Core Duo 2500 2.0GHz
Ram: 2GB 667-MHz DDR2
GPU: Geforce Go 7900 GS
Sound card: Sound Blaster Audigy HD
Optical Drive: NEC 8X DVD-RW drive
Hard Drive: 120GB
Monitor: 17" 1920x1200 display with TrueLife

I call that portable ownage.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

*ahem*
how much would say, a 130 gig hdd cost at comp usa or some place?

edit:
shazaam (http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?pfp=cat3&product_code=334786&Pn=SimpleDrive_250GB_Hard_Drive)

[Z]

ah, I lost touch of the laptop market after I got one. so how much does the average dual core laptop go for and is the practicle difference in usage notible? can you tell if you are working on two laptops with the exact same specs except one is dual core and one isn't?

[GTShotoKen]

ah, I lost touch of the laptop market after I got one. so how much does the average dual core laptop go for and is the practicle difference in usage notible? can you tell if you are working on two laptops with the exact same specs except one is dual core and one isn't?

The single threaded performance of the Core Duo already tops the old Centrino as of what I heard, but you won't see any insane performance improvements until you utilize both cores (either multi-threaded applications or just multiple applications will do).

[8_Bit]

you guys forgot to look at 2 things....

The speed of the HDD is 4,200 RPM
and the average ms time is 12 ms

compared too....

They got 80 GB HDD 2.5 drives at 7,200 rpm
and seek times at 10 ms

I would rather wait a couple years and get the same 200 HD at the 7,200 RPM speeds.


Uh, it would help if you read about the drive before passing judgement....

Most 7200 RPM drives do 100MB/sec. transfer speed. This new drive at 4,200 RPM does a blazing 150 MB/sec! That's 50% more throughput.

Quibbling about 2 ms seek time is kind of silly, especially considering the application we're discussing in PS3. It's more imortant to stream heavy loads than seek tiny chunks a teensy bit faster than another drive.

Considering too the myriad advantages of using a slower rotational speed drive, like less power consumption, less heat generation, less noise, and greater mechanical reliability, this drive is extremely attractive. Or they will be, once the costs come down.

[Stelio]

I have 2 rigs (wirelessly connected)...

DAW =
P180 case
Phantom 500 (cusomized with 2 PCIexpress connectors, fanless)
2 GIGs RAM (two sticks), soon to be upped to 4 GIGS (four sticks)
Plextor PX-716AL Internal E-IDE Slot-loading 16X DVD+/-R/RW
17" Viewsonic LCD Display (soon to be replaced by a 40+inch Bravia, or 2 gateway 22" widescreen 1080i displays)

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0 GHz Socket 939,
SOON TO BE - AMD Athlon 64 FX-60 Dual-Core 2.6 GHz Socket 939 (1Mb L2 Cache On Each Core), unless something better comes out by then.

Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI (10 usb 2.0 slots)
E-MU 1820M Digital Audio System (interface),
HR824 Mackie Monitors (speakers)
Keystation Pro 88 (MIDI Controller)
Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse (blutooth)

SOFTWARE:
Win XP
FL Studio 3, 5, and 6
Cubase SX 2.0 (possible upgrade to 3.0)
Halion Symphonic Orchestra (on order)
Acid 4.0
Nero 6 (everything incl.)
plug-ins
more coming (possible Miroslav Philharmonik addition)...


2nd Station =

Athlon XP @ 1.72 Ghz
512 MB RAM (always pondering an upgrade to 1 GIG)
WIN XP
Illuminating keyboard w/ optical mouse
INTERNET ONLY COMPUTER

can you say, peer to peer?

Also, just picked up a Pocket PC (otherwise known as 'Pocket Rocket')

Hopefully I can get some pics up some time


- Stelio

[GTShotoKen]

Hey guys, I just got my new Dell laptop and it owns pretty bad.

There's alot of Bloatware on it though so I have alot of uninstalling to do, but other than that the laptop is pretty fantastic.

The only thing that sucks though is that there aren't any Forceware drivers available for the Geforce Go 7900 series yet!!!

I have been reading that Dell laptop gpu's have an issue with heat and that is no different with mine. My gpu clocks in at 77 degrees Celsius during average use (pretty hot).

[Z]

how long is the battery?

[GTShotoKen]

how long is the battery?

It depends on what you do. If you don't game or watch too many 1080p movies then I would say around 4 hours...5 hours at best.

Gaming on a 9-cell battery will probably get you a little less than an hour of battery life.

I wanted a semi-desktop replacement notebooks so, don't look at my particular model as uninspiring, but then again...my laptop probably has the best battery life for what hardware it has in it.