I Want My Forum Back (thread for discussion of the present state of PSINext)

[cliffbo]

i don't have to explain... you all know whats happening. :(:swear:

[masteratt]

So is making it, ha.

I do agree though putting up with 'trolls' is not "mature", it's just pointless. Mods should be more Ban Happy (ban from section, not the whole forum).

[Nameless]

Honestly, I think people are overreacting a bit...
Once we start seeing PS3 sux XBox pwns threads, then I will worry!

[cliffbo]

So is making it, ha.

I do agree though putting up with 'trolls' is not "mature", it's just pointless. Mods should be more Ban Happy (ban from section, not the whole forum).

the sudden influx of free DVD hunters has overballanced this forum.

[Ravster]

Wait......whats going on Cliff?




EDIT: Why the hell am I in Playstation area?!

[cliffbo]

Wait......whats going on Cliff?




EDIT: Why the hell am I in Playstation area?!

threads are being closed because we are negative towards MS while MS fans run riot and ruin it for the rest of us.

[xbdestroya]

The problem I have here, and I have a lot of them lately, is that people view this forum as some sort of extension of Sony. It's not. I see things like this written all the time now:

Sony wouldn't do that

XBots are zombies

You have to give Sony credit for...

MS just copies ideas...

Do you see the pattern? They're mirror images of each other, and in a bad way. People *here* are being Sony zombies; people *here* will knock other companies for doing the exact same thing they will praise(!) Sony for having done.

And the internal disease is much more troubling to me than the external disease of trolls and fanboys rolling through.

I will say this: if people took the time to educate themselves on what something like Flash memory is, we could hedge down on some of this. If every fallacious Inquirer article can make people doubt the entire console - again and again - then it's not the Inquirers fault for being a bunch of dumbasses, it's the readers fault for not saying: wait a minute, let me educate myself on this.

It's not enough to ask Cpi or whoever else... "Is this true?"

How do you know he's not full of it? You don't. You can't go somewhere else and say to someone, 'this PS3 dev said this, and I think they would know....,' because that's not an argument. You have to understand why they said that. Once you understand the series of decisions and events and lead to company decisions, and you understand the way in which different hardware and software components interact, you stop saying things like: 'Sony should have done this,' or 'Why can't they just...,' and you start understanding, that the things that have been done have been done for a reason.

I want *my* forum back, the one that was interested in actual learning and discussion, in comparison and civility.

[Infernal]

I want *my* forum back, the one that was interested in actual learning and discussion, in comparison and civility.
It just hasn't been the same since that DVD brought all those new members...

I remember when I joined it was a time that when anyone and everyone that joined would say "I have been browsing these forums for awhile and they are by far the most unbiased forums anywhere on the internet". Yet I haven't seen anyone say that for awhile.

[Nameless]

Xb, well said and I completely agree... No need to add any additional thoughts you covered it...

[Saibo]

i don't have to explain... you all know whats happening. locking this thread would lose us our voices. :(:swear:

what you own this forum?! :P

I havent been here for awhile, been busy testing some new software..but i dont see anything wrong with the current state of the forum. Than again i dont see any need for posting lately, since E3 is over and TGS is not upon us YET :)

[cliffbo]

but wounding manages to fit perfectly into this forum even though he tends to lean towards MS. i like wounding because he doesn't just ruin every thread or derail it. its not about people disagreeing, its about getting our priorities right. XB you are always a gentleman and a diplomat but you really have to take into account how people like jvd screw up good discussion. i've done it myself for christ sake but its not my sole intent! if i know nothing about a subject i stay away from it or ask questions. i demand the right to sing Sony's praise on a PS3 forum and i will be the first to question something i don't like if Sony do something underhand.

[cliffbo]

it is my forum and every member can make the same claim. who said anything about owning this forum lol :)

[Infernal]

Sony wouldn't do that

XBots are zombies

You have to give Sony credit for...

MS just copies ideas...

The thing is XB that the only reason someone says something like "You have to give Sony credit for..." is when some random person (not to mention any names) comes into the forum, and their only post is "Sony copied that, MS/Nintendo did it first!" I havent seen anyone just randomly post biased opinions toward Sony (well actually I think there have been 2-3 people that have), they only do so when they are provoked with biased opinions towards another console or against Sony. What Cliffbo is saying (I think) is that the people that constantly just say negative things towards Sony and have no intention of even buying a PS3 don't belong in the PS3 section of the forums. If all someone can do is start flame wars by providing mostly false and opinionated information about the PS3, then why are they even here?

[Nameless]

but wounding manages to fit perfectly into this forum even though he tends to lean towards MS. i like wounding because he doesn't just ruin every thread or derail it. its not about people disagreeing, its about getting our priorities right. XB you are always a gentleman and a diplomat but you really have to take into account how people like jvd screw up good discussion. i've done it myself for christ sake but its not my sole intent! if i know nothing about a subject i stay away from it or ask questions. i demand the right to sing Sony's praise on a PS3 forum and i will be the first to question something i don't like if Sony do something underhand.
If folks on the forum are frustrated with JVD simply add him to your ignore list problem solved... I just don't see a problem here???

If we see people making personal attacks or posting worthless information like PS3 sux & Xbox rules then a ban is in order. If you have people posting their opinion, even if it's based on more ignorance than fact, we should allow them to post their thoughts...Peace.

[xbdestroya]

but wounding manages to fit perfectly into this forum even though he tends to lean towards MS. i like wounding because he doesn't just ruin every thread or derail it. its not about people disagreeing, its about getting our priorities right.

Well, but he's gone now isn't he? And why is that. Hopefully he'll come back...

XB you are always a gentleman and a diplomat but you really have to take into account how people like jvd screw up good discussion. i've done it myself for christ sake but its not my sole intent! if i know nothing about a subject i stay away from it or ask questions. i demand the right to sing Sony's praise on a PS3 forum and i will be the first to question something i don't like if Sony do something underhand.

Cliffbo, ok, link me to a single post of yours that contains anything negative about Sony. :smoke:

[cliffbo]

thanks for the thread title change XB. like i said, your a gentleman :)

[cliffbo]

If folks on the forum are frustrated with JVD simply add him to your ignore list problem solved... I just don't see a problem here???

If we see people making personal attacks or posting worthless information like PS3 sux & Xbox rules then a ban is in order. If you have people posting their opinion, even if it's based on more ignorance than fact, we should allow them to post their thoughts...Peace.

if i did that then i'd have to ignore everyone that quotes him! its not that simple.

[Infernal]

If folks on the forum are frustrated with JVD simply add him to your ignore list problem solved... I just don't see a problem here???
I tried that for awhile but then realized there was no point. Even with someone like JVD on your ignore list, 5 minutes after he posts something its quoted in another post so you can see it anyway and all of a sudden the entire thread's discussion has swayed to that topic and continues to go back and forth. Ignoring cant stop that.

[Rizon]

The psinext forums have degraded a bit with stuff like constant microsoft bashing. Come on, what did ever happen to the good olde days of people were really proud of these forums.
The mods are doing there side, we have to do ours, have sensible convo. if people wanted a load of anti mircrosoft/song fanboys then they would have looked elsewhere.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

JVD, I find myself agreeing with him more often than was first the case. He's been a lot less of a tool lately, I think.

[cliffbo]

Well, but he's gone now isn't he? And why is that. Hopefully he'll come back...



Cliffbo, ok, link me to a single post of yours that contains anything negative about Sony. :smoke:

point taken XB... but i speculate with the intent of being satisfied if that speculation turns out to be wrong. i'm mostly happy with the PS3 its as simple as that, but i have posted a few times on various things that i'm not entirely happy about. dual shock would have been nice. not sure about the two versions. i even started a thread with that in mind. :)

[xbdestroya]

The thing is XB that the only reason someone says something like "You have to give Sony credit for..." is when some random person (not to mention any names) comes into the forum, and their only post is "Sony copied that, MS/Nintendo did it first!" I havent seen anyone just randomly post biased opinions toward Sony (well actually I think there have been 2-3 people that have), they only do so when they are provoked with biased opinions towards another console or against Sony.

Infernal I'm breaking your post into two parts, because they are two different things to address.

The first one.

Ok, well that's not the case.

Example #1: Sony's console ends up larger than 360, and even though months of conversation before that has centered on the supposed smaller size of it compared to 360, and how big the XBox is and how Japanese will hate it, now with PS3 it's the greatest design ever, and we like it's 'weight,' and it's 'heft,' etc etc...

*cough*

Example #2: Or months of making fun of the Wii and motion-sensing, and when Sony announces motion-sensing - utter genius! And for those of us who might miss rumble? We get shouted down as 'doubters!' Is this a religion or something? Because it feels like it.

These are just two examples among many. And it's not praising Sony I have a problem with, it's knocking the other company for reasons unknown. Because clearly if someone was knocking the size of the XBox before, and they're praising the size of the PS3, it wasn't the size that was an issue before - it's that it was a Microsoft console. The size was just an excuse to knock it.

And that's not cool. It's a double-standard. When people drop by here 'hating' on Sony, yes they should be dealt with (in one manner or another), but also if what they're saying is obviously 'false' in the eyes of the reader, then it shouldn't really be getting under anyone's skin either.

You know what? I don't like the size of the XBox or 360.. and I don't like the size of the PS3 either! But I'm still going to get it, y'know? It's ok to admit that there are failings in your 'prefered' product. It doesn't make your decision to stick by it stupid; if anything blindly following a brand or product to the ends of the Earth is the mentality that requires re-evaluation.

And like Nameless said above - just use the ignore function if someone bothers you.

What Cliffbo is saying (I think) is that the people that constantly just say negative things towards Sony and have no intention of even buying a PS3 don't belong in the PS3 section of the forums. If all someone can do is start flame wars by providing mostly false and opinionated information about the PS3, then why are they even here?

I agree. But it is a fine lining judging exactly what constitutes a troll. We don't want to just be banning people left and right afterall - the place will look like the SS set up shop.

[cliffbo]

there you go XB:

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=56266

[xbdestroya]

there you go XB:

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=56266

Oh my God Cliffbo indeed... :)

And I even remember that thread!

[Infernal]

I agree with that XB, some people do seem to have sudden changes of heart (you forgot the dual SKU thing btw :thumbr: ). However there are also some people that never have a change of heart I guess you could say.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Infernal I'm breaking your post into two parts, because they are two different things to address.

The first one.

Ok, well that's not the case. Sony's console ends up larger than 360, and even though months of conversation before that has centered on the supposed smaller size of it compared to 360, and how big the XBox is and how Japanese will hate it, now with PS3 it's the greatest design ever, and we like it's 'weight,' and it's 'heft,' etc etc...

*cough*

Or months of making fun of the Wii and motion-sensing, and when Sony announces motion-sensing - utter genius. And for those of us who might miss rumble? We get shouted down as 'doubters!' Is this a religion or something? Because it feels like it.

These are just two examples among many. And it's not praising Sony I have a problem with, it's knocking the other company for reasons unknown. Because clearly if someone was knocking the size of the XBox before, and they're praising the size of the PS3, it wasn't the size that was an issue before - it's that it was a Microsoft console. The size was just an excuse to knock it.

And that's not cool. It's a double-standard. When people drop by here 'hating' on Sony, yes they should be dealt with (in one manner or another), but also if what they're saying is obviously 'false' in the eyes of the reader, then it shouldn't really be getting under anyone's skin either.

And like Nameless said above - just use the ignore function if someone bothers you.



I agree. But it is a fine lining judging exactly what constitutes a troll. We don't want to just be banning people left and right afterall - the place will look like the SS set up shop.

1) Yeah that's really....sad. The double standard thing is something I'm not down with. I'm not excited about ps3's size but I'm more apathetic than anything. It's the biggest of them all but it's not unwieldly. And fussing over relative console sizes just seems like one of those trivial "I need an argument" things. Let's cut the double standards.

2)Yeah...that's gotta stop too. Whenever nintendo introduces a new concept I say, 'okay, well, prove it, prove the practical application, the benefit of this,' and if they do, then awesome! That's what I said for DS, and now with Wii, they have proven themselves and look to prove themselves later on, respectively.


And the dual SKU thing ticked me off about the 360, and it still ticks me off about the ps3.

[cliffbo]

i see it like this: if someone says the PS3 is too big, i'd say it wasn't because of everything that has to be inside. i wouldn't suddenly go into comparative mode and say have you seen the size of the xbox. i think Cell is great but its not because i've compared it with the 360 CPU, i just think it is.

its just the consistant negativity of some posters who are clearly not PS owners.

[makeitlookreal]

I have very few problems with this forum. I find that there are a lot of really good people on here.

The *only* problem I have is that *some* individuals seem to fly off the handle at times when someone posts a statement they strongly disagree with instead of trying to discuss it rationally. This is NOT *all* the time or even *often* but sometimes.

In the past I have been threatened and flamed on this board, but 95% of the time even if people don't like my opinions I get along with everyone just fine.

In my opinion, this is a very good board. I wish that the rules were more logical and strict at times when it comes to how one member is allowed to treat another, but other than that I like this board just fine.

Basically, I think this board will run a lot smoother once the PS3 launches.

[makeitlookreal]

When it comes to the Wii I have no problem with their motion sensing. As long as they make sure every game is totally playable without motion sensing then I think it is a good idea. Because sometimes you might be in the mood to move around while playing a game. Other times you just want to relax.

The issue that makes their motion sensing moot in my opinion is how their console is so underpowered compared to the 360 and PS3. As a "next-gen" system it is truly pathetic.

In my opinion the Wii is something other than "next-gen" and is more along the lines of a new concept. It is a console that sacrifices the ability to keep up with modern technology in an effort to be more affordable and have a broader reach.

Basically, many people will like the Wii and especially younger children whose parents simply can't afford a $599 console and a HD TV to go with it. For that purpose the Wii is a good idea. I can almost imagine a LOT of parents with YOUNGER children reaching for the Wii automatically instead of the PS3.

However, for anyone that wants top notch graphics, the best physics, the best AI, and a real NEXT-GEN system the PS3 is the only real choice for most.

I am NOT bashing the Wii. For a unique speciality item it is a very good product. But as a next-gen gaming device it simply does not qualify.

[cliffbo]

what you doing MILR!!!!!!!! this thread is supposed to hopefully put an end to these sorts of posts. keep it on topic man or XB will have a legitimate reason to close it and righly so. please mate just give your opinions on what mods can do to make our experience better. i like you MILR so theres no need to answer this :)

[indiekid4]

To be honest, I really couldn't care if the Ps3 was huge or that the Xbox is huge. I've been a member here for what seems like forever and I am extremely loyal to SONY and all SONY products. I will admit, some things that have been said recently by people have gotten under my skin, but I just log off and go about my every day life and just forget about it. People are making too big a deal over these freakin' consoles! There is so much more to life then which console is more powerful, bigger, who invented this and that balh blah blah. Yes, I know billions of dollars and market share are at stake, but really people, in the end, we all win this generation. We will have three amazing consoles to pick from, and being the loyal consumer of SONY products that I am, I am going PS3. There is NOTHING any troll or so called 'expert' can say to me to change my mind. So, cheers to SONY, MS and Nintendo for exceeding my expectations this gen. The next 10 years will be amazing!!! :o)

[makeitlookreal]

There is a reason to respond cliffbo. I respond to anything someone says in a thread. It is on topic, because someone else mentioned the Wii in this thread! People were discussing the Wii being bashed so I gave my opinion which is hopefully a fair statement. For goodness sakes, it is on topic!

[Coded-Dude]

JVD, I find myself agreeing with him more often than was first the case. He's been a lot less of a tool lately, I think.
Well, I disagree on that end, but it has nothing to do with Sony+MS and everythign to do with Linux+MS.
I do bash Sony from tiem to time, but when you get slanted negative behavior, the pendulum usually has to equally swing the other way to balance to POV. Whcih creates the standard fanboyism thread. If we coudl all be non-partial, then things woudl be better, but alas, there has been an influx of new memebers, causing some interesting debate.

[cliffbo]

i wouldn't want people to be banned immediately or banned for making the occasional negative comment, but perhaps a yellow card system could be put in place for those that are persistant over lets say a week. if they do not heed the warnings from the mods and don't moderate themselves then a red card is give and they have another week to clean up their acts or get banned.

[satriales]

The only thing I didn't like about the dual SKU with the 360 is that the core one doesn't have a HDD. The PS3 dual SKU doesn't bother me becuase both have a HDD and I don't need wifi or card slots and the HDD can be easily upgraded. The only thing tempting me to get the premium model is the HDMI, but the core PS3 sounds like a good deal.

I've always liked the direction Nintendo were going in with the Wii and the PS3 using similar technology is good (only fanboys would not want a console to have the best tech available). I hardly even notice the rumble in most games so I'm not too upset that it's gone. I was disapointed that thy didn't keep the boomerang design though as I actually thought it looked really comfy to hold and the Dual Shock shape is getting old IMO.

[cliffbo]

satriales what are your suggestions for the mods in order for them to help us imrove the forum?

with the card system perhaps a little yellow or red icon could appear at the top right next to the rep icon. red would be downgraded to yellow eventually and when everythings cool the yellow disappears, giving them a visible reason to adjust like rep power. it works with footballers so why not with flamers?

[D3adcell]

If people think a post is unnecesary such as a "ps3 suxorz, 3d0 is da bestest" then just use the report a bad post button. It is on the top right of every persons post.

Though don't do it with every little thing you disagree with.

The mods can only do so much, its up to the posters to do most everything else.

[cliffbo]

If people think a post is unnecesary such as a "ps3 suxorz, 3d0 is da bestest" then just use the report a bad post button. It is on the top right of every persons post.

Though don't do it with every little thing you disagree with.

The mods can only do so much, its up to the posters to do most everything else.

thats why i think the card system is better otherwise things would get way too complicated.

[Coded-Dude]

^reports bad post

[Sephiroth_VII]

Maybe it could be added right below the rep, would it really be that hard to do? I think it would improve the forums quite a bit. I can see a lot of people in the "Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread", who hasn't responded yet. Please share your ideas as to what changes you think should be made.

[cliffbo]

Maybe it could be added right below the rep, would it really be that hard to do? I think it would improve the forums quite a bit. I can see a lot of people in the "Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread", who hasn't responded yet. Please share your ideas as to what changes you think should be made.

thank you Seph. it seems the obvious answer to me and very easy to moderate. i might be wrong there though. i have no idea how forums like this works.

[xbdestroya]

Maybe it could be added right below the rep, would it really be that hard to do? I think it would improve the forums quite a bit. I can see a lot of people in the "Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread", who hasn't responded yet. Please share your ideas as to what changes you think should be made.

Well, it's the red flag next to the rep; that's pretty easy isn't it? ;)

My only fear is that it will always be anti-Sony posts getting flagged. There are plenty of pro-Sony posts that are a problem as well.

[Smokey]

people have to enjoy the forum more not think it of a rant page. i come here to read informative stuff not flaming crap.
xb has it right in his post :) edit: on the first page

[cliffbo]

Well, it's the red flag next to the rep; that's pretty easy isn't it? ;)

My only fear is that it will always be anti-Sony posts getting flagged. There are plenty of pro-Sony posts that are a problem as well.

i think seph is agreeing with my red card idea. it could replace the flag. there should be no exception, Sony fans should be dealt with in the same manner. :)

[Sephiroth_VII]

Well, it's the red flag next to the rep; that's pretty easy isn't it? ;)

My only fear is that it will always be anti-Sony posts getting flagged. There are plenty of pro-Sony posts that are a problem as well.
Well, we would only be reporting it. It's up to the mods to make the final decision. Xb, if you see a problematic pro-sony post, what's to stop you from giving the guy a warning(which, in cliffbo's system, would be a yellow card)?

EDIT: Yes, I agree with Cliffbo on this.

[Goki]

^Praise the lord, I was wanna come to this, Not only trolls for MS but for SOny as well (well not trolls, but u knwo) I think some have been getting it a bt easy cause they are pro Sony, but it should be ration and reason which is the decider here, not the colour of your flags.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Do you see anyone disagreeing with that ;)?

[cliffbo]

it would give the flamers a visual cue to curb their antics. yellow for, you have been warned, red for, if this persists then in a week you will be banned. a week seems a fair amount of time to consider this. chance to calm down and rethink.

one other small thing that would be easy to do is take neg repping off. it makes enemies instantly.

its not difficult to spot the real offenders. every post is negative and personal attacks (whether they are presented in an articulate way or not) are regular.

[=NukeBlaze=]

Welcome to earth. People are stupid...Everyone, myself included.

Realize and go forth.

[Viper]

I find JVD to be on target about half of his points yet they get overshadowed or assumed as BS because its in the same post that DOES contain other rather out there motions. If he'd reword some of his posts, his points would not come across as hostile and make more sense.

The increased trolling and console debate is not really due to the DVD but rather E3 itself. 95% of what we are debating about has come to light due to E3. It was highly contraversial. This was not just any E3 but the intial play testing by the mass media for 2 of the most anticipated consoles in gaming history. Debate was inevitable. A spike in brand loyal and ignorant posts was inevitable and we even warned of that. Many posts and threads and bad members were removed before it become widely known they/it were a problem.

How to remove the ignorace? It takes all of us and we can help by using these 3 steps.

1. Post with intelligence and facts to back up assumptions and speculation if possible.

2. If you don't want your console/manufacturer bashed, don't bash others.

3. Watch for arrogance in ourselves. Bold assumptions based on little fact will always attract those with a strong difference of opinion.

MILR, this is for you.
Iwata: "Nintendo is not working on a next-generation console" (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6152265.html)

[Raitei]

Well personally, i wont ever think of seeing this forum with agreement alround. Whilst most people here are close-knit and know eachother well [not sure if i am :S], others are not. But disagreement tends to lend itself to the conversation at times.

But i'm mostly agreeing with Cliffbo here, as i've said, disagreement is cool. It is afterall, your opinion on the matter and i feel voicing it is always important to everyone in that they see things from a perspective that they wouldn't have seen it before and generally this can help gain an understanding on a matter. But what really gets me, and i've been seeing it more lately, is the way these disagreements are voiced and the way they derail a genuine topic or agrument.

i'll not name names, mainly because i don't know anyone that well. But there are definately people who i feel are very anti-sony. And it's not that they shouldn't be here, but instead that they shouldnt be ruining it for us.

I really dont see the situation drastically changing. With more forumers, more clashes will generally occur. It rally is the way we accept these clashes that matter.

[woundingchaney]

The problem I have here, and I have a lot of them lately, is that people view this forum as some sort of extension of Sony. It's not. I see things like this written all the time now:

Sony wouldn't do that

XBots are zombies

You have to give Sony credit for...

MS just copies ideas...

Do you see the pattern? They're mirror images of each other, and in a bad way. People *here* are being Sony zombies; people *here* will knock other companies for doing the exact same thing they will praise(!) Sony for having done.

And the internal disease is much more troubling to me than the external disease of trolls and fanboys rolling through.

I will say this: if people took the time to educate themselves on what something like Flash memory is, we could hedge down on some of this. If every fallacious Inquirer article can make people doubt the entire console - again and again - then it's not the Inquirers fault for being a bunch of dumbasses, it's the readers fault for not saying: wait a minute, let me educate myself on this.

It's not enough to ask Cpi or whoever else... "Is this true?"

How do you know he's not full of it? You don't. You can't go somewhere else and say to someone, 'this PS3 dev said this, and I think they would know....,' because that's not an argument. You have to understand why they said that. Once you understand the series of decisions and events and lead to company decisions, and you understand the way in which different hardware and software components interact, you stop saying things like: 'Sony should have done this,' or 'Why can't they just...,' and you start understanding, that the things that have been done have been done for a reason.

I want *my* forum back, the one that was interested in actual learning and discussion, in comparison and civility.


I want a forum where differing opinions are both respected and held as equals. (when opinions are the subject)

Trolls are only half the problem the other is represented by zealots.

Im not here to say Im innocent and/or guilty but over the last month or so nearly everyone has shown this behaivior.

[Smokey]

good to seeya wounding :)

[Leedogg]

I got a suggestion, Why not delete treads instead of locking them? Example: two threads of the same topic. Also, you can do that when a thread gets way outta hand.

[yoshaw]

I'm fairly new here myself. Admittedly, I tend to step out of line at times but if it has been a problem for the mods then I'd appreciate if I'm sent a warning PM'd my way. I go into defensive mode usually when a member with idealogies of another spectrum tries to shove things down my throat while constantly ignoring any reason supplied to them whatsoever.

Although, I agree with Viper up here that JVD puts out 'some' reasonable content. But does it really serve the purpose of having a decent argument when 2/3rds of it contain nothing but FUD? I've seen him backtracking more than twice to a position that would easily label anyone a bad reputation only because he couldn't come up with a reasonable reply. That should be worrisome in itself I believe.

The point of an argument should be to remain calm and provide facts to back your reasons. I've had some heated discussions with JVD but I'm sure it turned bad 'only' when he tried downplaying things with false information while completely ignoring the hard facts. Also, him ridiculing VG got to me too when he tried doing the same with me only moments later.

I've nothing against mods(they're very kind). I'm simply stating that members like JVD should get a clue when to stop in a thread. I'd ignore him sure but why do that when I know I can help kill the FUD with facts and not opinions.

[section]

1. Post with intelligence and facts to back up assumptions and speculation if possibleAbout the first step I have to say that it's becoming more and more difficult on any forums to get rid of the fanboyism/girlism. And that's just because the console brand creators feed the flames all the time. One company says something, other hits back, the third disses the other two.

Average consumer loves to pick sides. It's easy to stay loyal to a brand if you're always been a fan of Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo. Or Commodore Amiga or Atari ST. Or Ford, Mercedes Benz or Lada (yes there are fans out there!) :)

Back in the days the computer/console fights were about just as bloody as now, it's just that the i'net enables us these days to participate on forums and write just about anything we want to in a nameless fashion. Because we don't see the other side and persons we can flame them, call names, say things we wouldn't say to other people in real life. It's easy to write with passion and love to support the feeling of one's love towards the chosen side. And that's where it very often goes wrong.

Everybody should stop for a moment to think before they click the "send" button:

"Does my participation with this message give anything creative to the forum? Does it contain any information that actually could bring up additional ideas, questions, thoughts? Or is it written solely as an angry answer to certain thing that ticks me off? Because if it's only the last part it qualifies for, is it worth it to really send the message?".

[Homeru]

This forum is great compared to other ps forums I’ve been to, and it's my favorite. I’m fine with the way it is now, but sometimes it gets annoying when a thread is about graphics and people start to talk about gameplay and other things that don't relate to the topic, besides that everything is great. Oh, I’d be cool to have 3 strikes and you’re out rule or something of that nature, but it should apply to everyone including mods/admins.

[woundingchaney]

As far as many of the newer members, they are just fine and there is nothing wrong with additional members. We seem to forget that this forum is very comformed and acts as a community for a small group of few and regular members. When I first joined here it was somewhat difficult as well as newer members are somewhat ostricized. There is nothing wrong with building a larger base for discussion, it does take time to adapt (LOL) to many of the standards we have here.


I think JVD has added to the forum and where as I think many of his posts are very stand-offish I see his line of reasoning and thinking (I dont necessarily agree with him, but respect him none the less).


Respect is what made this a great forum and it is something that has been lacking of late.

[xbdestroya]

I got a suggestion, Why not delete treads instead of locking them? Example: two threads of the same topic. Also, you can do that when a thread gets way outta hand.

Yeah deleting is always an option, but personally I tend to shy away from it. As a user I would feel a little unnerved if a thread I had like ten posts in or something suddenly disappeared without any explanation. Locking sometimes let's the feelings linger longer than they should, but locking also provides a sort of means for the mods and admins to convey why it was locked, etc etc...

If the posts get deleted, you can't ever go back to reference them, and it's just sort of a last resort solution, usually reserved for spammers and *real* trolls, of which thankfully we don't really ever get any.

[Infernal]

I see only one solution. Game Addiction Clinic (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6152141.html)

[Viper]

XBD, move to Recycle Bin.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Oh, I’d be cool to have 3 strikes and you’re out rule or something of that nature, but it should apply to everyone including mods/admins.
No, mods and admins can't be banned, as it would ruin the whole power balance.
Other than that, okay idea, though I still prefer Cliffbo's;) .

@Wounding: I thought you'd left? I'm glad to see that you haven't!!! And yeah, the E-mpire forum has very high standard's. Especially concerning l33t speech and such. For new members, this is hard to get used to, but it's not excuse for posting lies, and trolling.

[Ravster]

Glad to see this matter has been sorted out...sort of, in about 3hours!




Heh, 12members viewing this thread.

[woundingchaney]

No, mods and admins can't be banned, as it would ruin the whole power balance.
Other than that, okay idea, though I still prefer Cliffbo's;) .

@Wounding: I thought you'd left? I'm glad to see that you haven't!!! And yeah, the E-mpire forum has very high standard's. Especially concerning l33t speech and such. For new members, this is hard to get used to, but it's not excuse for posting lies, and trolling.
It is by no means an excuse.


But opinions are not lies, and trolling is only in individual perspective. Many of the things we accept as fact on this board are not fact else where, many of the interpretations we regard are seen different else where, many of the topics up for discussion are exactly that - they are to be discussed. I think sometimes we forget that in order to represent console X or console Y (I have my tendencies as do others, but what is unacceptable is when someone is considered a troll for an opinion or a fanboy for a preference).


I never left just didnt post for a couple of weeks or so. I like it too much here and very much enjoy many of the members.

[cliffbo]

we all want well ballanced discussion but on occasions when mods need to take measures we need a system that everyone understands. footballers know the rules but occasionally refs have to give red cards to bring footballers back in line. another footballer doesn't then approach the ref and say but i want to kick him back. if all footballers where gentlrmen then it would be easy but unfortunately, like forum users, some are not. i want the mods to have an easy way of demonstrating their concerns without stopping the flow of an otherwise interesting discussion. yellow card, red card, its simple...

[Smokey]

yellow card, red card, its simple...
lol this aint soccer cliffy :)

[cliffbo]

wounding i know you and i would love everything to be affable, but sometimes some people just have an agenda to disrupt. their the ones i want action taken against, not those that just disagree with a proposition. like i said before its very easy to see those that are out to cause mayhem in these forums. i bet there would be less banning if a system was clearly shown and everyone knew where they stood from the off :)

[Coded-Dude]

thats exactly what the rep is for but people spam it and it usually ends up being the people with the most are: 40% founder/mods, 20% intelligent posters, 40% idiots who rep each other for braggin rights.....(no name mentioning here)

[cliffbo]

thats exactly what the rep is for but people spam it and it usually ends up being the people with the most are: 40% founder/mods, 20% intelligent posters, 40% idiots who rep each other for braggin rights.....(no name mentioning here)

+rep to you dude :)

mods just think of the complicated way you have to go about warning soeone and then banning them with the current system. replies in threads asking for bans, then you have call for calm, then you have to warn the poster, then you get PMs, then another warning, then banned. yellow card, red card... gone. i'm simplifying something you already have to do, not making it more complicated. you may feel odd at first using the card system, but it'll soon become second nature.

[woundingchaney]

wounding i know you and i would love everything to be affable, but sometimes some people just have an agenda to disrupt. their the ones i want action taken against, not those that just disagree with a proposition. like i said before its very easy to see those that are out to cause mayhem in these forums. i bet there would be less banning if a system was clearly shown and everyone knew where they stood from the off :)
Is their agenda any different than the ones that refuse to see any point of view that differs from their own. What agenda would you have this site serve??? Sony can do no wrong??? PS3 is hands down the superior console??? Sony games are better than Nin/MS???? Anyone that speaks against such reasoning is often directly flamed and for no better reason than many people seem to take such opinions to heart (although yes, there has been instances of members simply wanting to raise hell here). There is no easy answer Cliff, at this moment it is still the most part opinion and people should be considered positive and enlightening to debate amongst mature opinion, the problem is when people are so draconian in their reasoning and hateful when others differ with themselves. People should disagree, we should debate but we shouldnt blindly conform. Such as Im often viewed as anti sony and/or a 360 fanboy, this is completely untrue. I do have a tendency to post in accordance with the 360 when I believe comparisons are mis-alligned although seeing as to how we dont discuss 360 topics I never speak likewise to the PS3 I can assure many that feel this way that I do not believe MS makes no mistakes nor do I believe everything about them is perfect.

I would love to see a multi platform board to draw an assortment of gamers whether they be MS.NIN,PS3, or PC. This would help draw from many of the one-sidedness associated with singular topic discussion.

[cliffbo]

Is their agenda any different than the ones that refuse to see any point of view that differs from their own. What agenda would you have this site serve??? Sony can do no wrong??? PS3 is hands down the superior console??? Sony games are better than Nin/MS???? Anyone that speaks against such reasoning is often directly flamed and for no better reason than many people seem to take such opinions to heart (although yes, there has been instances of members simply wanting to raise hell here). There is no easy answer Cliff, at this moment it is still the most part opinion and people should be considered positive and enlightening to debate amongst mature opinion, the problem is when people are so draconian in their reasoning and hateful when others differ with themselves. People should disagree, we should debate but we shouldnt blindly conform.

I would love to see a multi platform board to draw an assortment of gamers whether they be MS.NIN,PS3, or PC. This would help draw from many of the one-sidedness associated with singular topic discussion.

i don't want disagreement to stop just deliberate bloodymindedness, like constantly going on about the card system... er...

come on we all know who they are. mods will have a simple warning system that may help to calm some people down.

[cliffbo]

a thread starts about lets say RSX, somewhere along the thread the offenders i'm talking about end up talking about religion and no matter how many sensible posters try to get it back on track the offender can't stop himself from derailing the thread yet again. a warning may help make him think twice about continuing along these lines. of course mods would still make the occasional comment. instead of closing threads that had good intent but are ruined by these posters, warn the poster and keep the good thread open. to me this is really sensible.

[woundingchaney]

i don't want disagreement to stop just deliberate bloodymindedness, like constantly going on about the card system... er...

come on we all know who they are. mods will have a simple warning system that may help to calm some people down.
The problem is "THEY"


What makes you think that I feel the same way about them as you do, or if infact THEY are wrong and are trying to start this deliberate bloodymindedness. One must also regard their reactions to THEM as assisting in this potential madness. There has been a large problem with intense reaction to seemingly innocent posts simply because they dont follow the norm, in this case just who is the troll????

[Smokey]

^^:) you could have hit the nail on the head. its our perception of what we see :)

[woundingchaney]

a thread starts about lets say RSX, somewhere along the thread the offenders i'm talking about end up talking about religion and no matter how many sensible posters try to get it back on track the offender can't stop himself from derailing the thread yet again. a warning may help make him think twice about continuing along these lines. of course mods would still make the occasional comment. instead of closing threads that had good intent but are ruined by these posters, warn the poster and keep the good thread open. to me this is really sensible.


Although its not just them derailing the thread its the many people that attack them for their post and they quite often de-rail the thread more so. Often these situations are not so simple, in many circumstances its the reactionary post that de-rails the thread.

It is not simply a problem with a few members.

[yoshaw]

Wounding, I don't know which people you're trying to defend mate but I know who cliffbo is talking about. And I for a fact know that this particular individual called VG an ass, which should be considered trolling. He also would go to any length and twist obvious facts to forward his point in an argument. That's FUD and could be considered lying as well depending on an individuals perspective.

Your points about seperating lies from opinion is well said. But I'm sure members in here are more than capable of differentiating between the two. Provoking is the disease, not the attack/defense that comes afterwards.

[cliffbo]

The problem is "THEY"


What makes you think that I feel the same way about them as you do, or if infact THEY are wrong and are trying to this deliberate bloodymindedness. One must also regard their reactions to THEM as assisting in this potential madness. There has been a large problem with intense reaction to seemingly innocent posts simply because they dont follow the norm, in this case just who is the troll????

they, them, those is only a way of expressing the type of people i have already mentions. i'm wrong a hell of a lot of times! we are not talking grey areas here we are talking black and white (also a term to determine good from bad) of course someone could consider themselves white when they are in fact black. this is a debate for another thread. in extreme cases, and there have been quite a few lately, mods have a method of saying 'please calm it down' everyone would know where they stand and i would be happy.

[woundingchaney]

Wounding, I don't know which people you're trying to defend mate but I know who cliffbo is talking about. And I for a fact know that this particular individual called VG an ass, which should be considered trolling. He also would go to any length and twist obvious facts to forward his point in an argument. That's FUD and could be considered lying as well depending on an individuals perspective.

Your points about seperating lies from opinion is well said. But I'm sure members in here are more than capable of differentiating between the two. Provoking is the disease, not the attack/defense that comes afterwards.
Im not trying to defend anyone person but perhaps we should reflect on everyone's behaivior instead of these few people we are referring to.

In all honesty I have no idea who these few people are??? Are they new?? Is it me??? Remeber I have been gone a little while:cycspin: .

[cliffbo]

^^:) you could have hit the nail on the head. its our perception of what we see :)

thats what the Nazis said about the holcaust... now back on topic. sometimes there is no doubt :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

not you, wounding. I think you should however change the title by your avatar to 'Is Rather Unimpressed' cuz you seem to be especially around here! hahaha...

edit: Cliffbo don't go associating anyone with nazis! Goodness gracious!

[cliffbo]

Wounding, I don't know which people you're trying to defend mate but I know who cliffbo is talking about. And I for a fact know that this particular individual called VG an ass, which should be considered trolling. He also would go to any length and twist obvious facts to forward his point in an argument. That's FUD and could be considered lying as well depending on an individuals perspective.

Your points about seperating lies from opinion is well said. But I'm sure members in here are more than capable of differentiating between the two. Provoking is the disease, not the attack/defense that comes afterwards.

edit i see what you mean now.

[cliffbo]

not you, wounding. I think you should however change the title by your avatar to 'Is Rather Unimpressed' cuz you seem to be especially around here! hahaha...

edit: Cliffbo don't go associating anyone with nazis! Goodness gracious!

it was a joke refering to one of my other posts... :) smokey would have got it.

[woundingchaney]

not you, wounding. I think you should however change the title by your avatar to 'Is Rather Unimpressed' cuz you seem to be especially around here! hahaha...

edit: Cliffbo don't go associating anyone with nazis! Goodness gracious!
This of course would be what Im talking about. Depending on how I took this it could be a distinct opportunity for me to feel personally attacked. Is it possible that many of the members we are referring to feel the same way????????? Is there not room for people to feel unimpressed in this forum???



Although I am never completely unimpressed with anything, if however I need to be impressed by everything I see, read, or contemplate then just where does that leave room for discussion.

[xbdestroya]

Wounding, I don't know which people you're trying to defend mate but I know who cliffbo is talking about. And I for a fact know that this particular individual called VG an ass, which should be considered trolling. He also would go to any length and twist obvious facts to forward his point in an argument. That's FUD and could be considered lying as well depending on an individuals perspective.

Calling VG an 'ass' is out of line, and should of course be reported, because it's flaming.

But lying/twisting facts/and FUD spreading shouldn't make everyone get mad and go ballistic; people should ignore it. No one is making any other member freak out - members are choosing to freak out. Instead, I ask that they choose not to freak out.

Your points about seperating lies from opinion is well said. But I'm sure members in here are more than capable of differentiating between the two. Provoking is the disease, not the attack/defense that comes afterwards.

No, they are both the disease.

[Smokey]

:( .....:)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Wounding baby you know I'm just teasing ya? We've both been here long enough to know it's all fun and games though. I wouldn't really attack ya, cuz you're a smart, reasonable member up here. And, under the pretext of 'internet forum' don't ever take anything I say too seriously.

[yoshaw]

you meant jvd vg is okay :)

:spit:

What? I wasn't calling VG bad, cliffy. I was simply saying that VG was called an ass by JVD. lol

Calling VG an 'ass' is out of line, and should of course be reported, because it's flaming.

How about directly naming someone as a fanboy? Should be reported?

No, they are both the disease.

Point noted!

[cliffbo]

This of course would be what Im talking about. Depending on how I took this it could be a distinct opportunity for me to feel personally attacked. Is it possible that many of the members we are referring to feel the same way?????????



Although I am never completely unimpressed with anything, if however I need to be impressed by everything I see, read, or contemplate then just where does that leave room for discussion.

only if he consistantly attacks your opinion and derails this thread would it be a problem... do you see what i'm getting at yet? :)

[woundingchaney]

Wounding baby you know I'm just teasing ya? We've both been here long enough to know it's all fun and games though. I wouldn't really attack ya, cuz you're a smart, reasonable member up here. And, under the pretext of 'internet forum' don't ever take anything I say too seriously.
LOL

I understand completely but the problem many are referring to could stem from a similar situation.

But anyways dont worry about it man, I seen it for just a joke. :splitspin .

[woundingchaney]

only if he consistantly attacks your opinion and derails this thread would it be a problem... do you see what i'm getting at yet? :)
Right now what if you have a whole forum attacking your opinion??? That is the issue.

[cliffbo]

you see how not maintaining a steady argument and talking about how we can help the mods help us has reduced the amount of viewers.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yeah. I only mess with members who are familiar with me, since I've been here since dirt (ps3insider).

If I said the same thing to say, MILR, it'd probably (definitely) be under the context of 'I don't like you that much, this is an underhanded jab at your character'. Cuz some folks take this place (the interweb) waaay too seriously. I mean, there definitely needs to be level of control and order (and reason) but not decorum that stifles everyone.

[cliffbo]

Right now what if you have a whole forum attacking your opinion??? That is the issue.

then mods will moderate and decide their actions. you just go to another thread and consider whether your right or wrong.

[Smokey]

i think we,re making a big issue out of something that will never go away. it will settle down, it will i promise :)

[woundingchaney]

i think we,re making a big issue out of something that will never go away. it will settle down, it will i promise :)
I agree.

This problem is occuring in many sites not just this one.

But once again instead of laying blame on a few members perhaps we all should reflect on our personal behaivior and intentions.

[cliffbo]

but mods already ban people for being nuisances! just simplify it and make it clear from the off what measures will be taken. has the irony been overlooked here by the way. see how difficult it is sometimes to have a discussion about something.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yeah. forums go through waves of changing behavior, it's almost cyclical. As long as the mods are doing what they've been doing I really don't see a problem... Like that one guy who called Viper a PlayStation 3 fanboy. That was quite possibly the funniest shit I've seen up here in a while.

[xbdestroya]

How about directly naming someone as a fanboy? Should be reported?


Yeah, fanboy... it's a tough question, I agree.

I don't think it needs to be reported, because it's such a part of the forum lexicon... *but*, I would love it if people here never called each other fanboys. It fires the person being accused up, and things never go well after that point.

[woundingchaney]

but mods already ban people for being nuisances! just simplify it and make it clear from the off what measures will be taken. has the irony been overlooked here by the way. see how difficult it is sometimes to have a discussion about something.
How many would consider me a nuisance or you or anyone. Should they infact be banned, should I or you. Banning is not a reasonable answer unless the problem is extreme.

I think we have stayed on topic although any given topic should have room to evolve. We have stayed on the point of there being a problem in the forum and how it should be dealt with.

[Infernal]

Well if 95% of the people on the forums see someone as a nuisance... I think its pretty clear.

[Smokey]

ill admit im a playstation forever guy. but i dont see the point in putting down other peoples choices, so im somewhat a fanboy lol :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

exactly the same here.

[cliffbo]

Yeah, fanboy... it's a tough question, I agree.

I don't think it needs to be reported, because it's such a part of the forum lexicon... *but*, I would love it if people here never called each other fanboys. It fires the person being accused up, and things never go well after that point.

XB to be fair to this debate you have to ignore those that don't care and think of those that do. it won't make any difference with those that don't but it will please those that do. why is this such a contentious issue? if everyone was polled to see if females should get the vote and only 70% say yes, do we ignore it because some say its okay as it is. think about it :)

[Smokey]

we just need people like xbd modding the way they do sensibly :)

[cliffbo]

Well if 95% of the people on the forums see someone as a nuisance... I think its pretty clear.

sense at last... thank you. theres a habit of counter arguing because we perceive it as ballance, but when obvious things are overlooked for the sake of continuing thats worth checking out XB

[Domination]

I find JVD to be on target about half of his points yet they get overshadowed or assumed as BS because its in the same post that DOES contain other rather out there motions. If he'd reword some of his posts, his points would not come across as hostile and make more sense.

The increased trolling and console debate is not really due to the DVD but rather E3 itself. 95% of what we are debating about has come to light due to E3. It was highly contraversial. This was not just any E3 but the intial play testing by the mass media for 2 of the most anticipated consoles in gaming history. Debate was inevitable. A spike in brand loyal and ignorant posts was inevitable and we even warned of that. Many posts and threads and bad members were removed before it become widely known they/it were a problem.

How to remove the ignorace? It takes all of us and we can help by using these 3 steps.

1. Post with intelligence and facts to back up assumptions and speculation if possible.

2. If you don't want your console/manufacturer bashed, don't bash others.

3. Watch for arrogance in ourselves. Bold assumptions based on little fact will always attract those with a strong difference of opinion.

MILR, this is for you.
Iwata: "Nintendo is not working on a next-generation console" (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6152265.html)


I was going to post something very similiar to the first paragraph, but I thought should read through the thread first. I totally agree with you. Sometimes you have to filter through what's being said. Most of the time, I found myself doing just that to discover its true meaning.

Interesting topic, too.

[yoshaw]

Yeah, fanboy... it's a tough question, I agree.

I don't think it needs to be reported, because it's such a part of the forum lexicon... *but*, I would love it if people here never called each other fanboys. It fires the person being accused up, and things never go well after that point.

Aha, see there lies the problem of provocation as well. And exactly what I was trying to highlight with the provoking sentence in my post earlier. FUD provokes confusion and it shouldn't be considered wrong to 'defend' against false information. Although I'm strictly against attacking someone spreading FUD and I realize shouldn't have put attack along with defence in my sentence up there.

But like you said in your reply xb. It is easier to ignore such lil things as 'fanboys' and good to report someone flaming with demeaning titles.

[cliffbo]

i see you name is in red XB.... is that a weeks warning for me... if it is i retract everything i've posted :)

[Coded-Dude]

mod/admins/etc use demeaning titles in some instances(no naming any specific user/section/thread/post - but they do occur)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Thing about fanboys is, no one claims they are one (except for the self-righteous maniacs) and everyone hates to be called one (dems fightin' werds!!!). A lot of folks will say, 'not that I'm a fanboy but,' or, 'not like I'm a fanboy' or something to that effect. Everyone is a fanboy to some extent, some more than others, unless they own all three consoles every generation and are rich, or have a rich uncle or whatever. The point is to be a reasonable F***ing person, regardless of your personal preferences.

"The wiseman changes his opinion in the presents of facts."

I find a lot of times people who are fanboys (and I use this term for EVERYONE) one way or another, depending on their level of fanticism ignore facts because they don't want to believe them despite the credibility of certain members who veritably are proven to have had access to places, things and events. Absurd, I know.

prime example:
point1:'they didn't even have any working ps3s at E3, it was all running on devkits and pcs.'
*side note: having playable games 6 months prior to a launch is unprecedented*
counterpoint1: 'yeah they did, I was there. I saw them.'
and point one continues to narrow down as many inherencies as possible hoping to find holes in another platform's fidelity.

[xbdestroya]

sense at last... thank you. theres a habit of counter arguing because we perceive it as ballance, but when obvious things are overlooked for the sake of continuing thats worth checking out XB

I will always opt for 'balance' though, because I think that's a healthy way of viewing the world. A balanced view of things will assist in making life decisions, work, love life; it's all good, none bad. :smoke:

Some people wanted MILR banned, right? But why as a forum didn't we do that?

Because we're all better off for having conformed ourselves to accept him, and in turn he conformed himself some to meet us halfway.

I wouldn't normally single anyone out like that, but it was such a public and contentious issue back in the day that I think it's fair to use as an exemplar.

There are people that I feel clearly cross the line. That guy Viper banned recently, GleefulFarewell sometimes... (though I just delete the worst of his posts now when I see them, and I think he's gotten the message).

Hell, I've deleted some of my own posts in the past because I felt they were contributing to the problem rather than the solution!

As for JVD, 95% of this forum does not want him banned. A vocal minority does - maybe even a majority - but again I've discussed with him the situation and I think he's put forth an effort to be less conrontational in his posts. Personally I like to have a 360 fan or two around the forums for some perspective, as long as they keep it civil. :)

Anyway we'll keep this thread open for a while; I think it's good for the forum for everyone to voice their views on this all - we kind of need it after E3.

And Cliffbo, honestly I would love that 'yellow card' system, but it's just not easily done with this forum software.

[Smokey]

Thing about fanboys is, no one claims they are one (except for the self-righteous maniacs) and everyone hates to be called one (dems fightin' werds!!!). A lot of folks will say, 'not that I'm a fanboy but,' or, 'not like I'm a fanboy' or something to that effect. Everyone is a fanboy to some extent, some more than others, unless they own all three consoles every generation and are rich, or have a rich uncle or whatever. The point is to be a reasonable F***ing person, regardless of your personal preferences.

"The wiseman changes his opinion in the presents of facts."
giddyup :)

[cliffbo]

I will always opt for 'balance' though, because I think that's a healthy way of viewing the world. A balanced view of things will assist in making life decisions, work, love life; it's all good, none bad. :smoke:

Some people wanted MILR banned, right? But why as a forum didn't we do that?

Because we're all better off for having conformed ourselves to accept him, and in turn he conformed himself some to meet us halfway.

I wouldn't normally single anyone out like that, but it was such a public and contentious issue back in the day that I think it's fair to use as an exemplar.

There are people that I feel clearly cross the line. That guy Viper banned recently, GleefulFarewell sometimes... (though I just delete the worst of his posts now when I see them, and I think he's gotten the message).

Hell, I've deleted some of my own posts in the past because I felt they were contributing to the problem rather than the solution!

remember though how complicated it was. i PMed MILR and got to like him. a yellow card may well have nipped it in the bud, but obviously some people can't stop and these are the people that would be banned.

i don't want JVD banned! who said that? i want some sort of obvious system that prevents the need for such measures. in extreme conditions a ban would be necessary. if he continued upsetting people after receiving a red card then ban him. i want him to have a chance to consider his actions. just like refs do with footballers.

it only takes one or two people to absolutely destroy a days browsing and it really irritates me as i'm sure it does others here.

[Smokey]

but obviously some people can't stop
really cliff :)

[cliffbo]

really cliff :)

er....er.... i'm ignoring this lol

come on guys can't we get together on this. everyone knows which type of posters i mean. like i said i'm not talking about grey areas, just obvious posters with intent to disrupt.

[cliffbo]

the card system would work well because having seen the red card at the top of the screen you know you've got a week to get it back to yellow. even if after a week it goes back to red, we get some respite from the abusers and who knows because of the efforts to take it from red to yellow those offenders may find themselves more liked and less likely to flame... perfect. like i said as well neg reps should just go.

[Infernal]

the card system would work well because having seen the red card at the top of the screen you know you've got a week to get it back to yellow. even if after a week it goes back to red, we get some respite from the abusers and who knows because of the efforts to take it from red to yellow those offenders may find themselves more liked and less likely to flame... perfect. like i said as well neg reps should just go.
Cliff did you miss this...
And Cliffbo, honestly I would love that 'yellow card' system, but it's just not easily done with this forum software.

[Nameless]

Where's JVD I would like to hear his thoughts and defense, considering he is one of the main topics of discussion in this thread.

Perhaps we should change the name of the thread to "PS3 will crush 360", I'm sure that would grab his attention... I'm kidding, I kid I kid... ;-)

[wildcardd]

***Warning somewhat off topic***
Wounding...glad to see you back! I have been afraid to "come out" and admit I got a 360 recently.
***Back to the topic at hand***

People, expecially fan boys are very passionate about their gaming rigs of choice. Sometimes that clouds our judgement and causes some heated words, but let's try to keep it civil around here.

[woundingchaney]

***Warning somewhat off topic***
Wounding...glad to see you back! I have been afraid to "come out" and admit I got a 360 recently.
***Back to the topic at hand***

People, expecially fan boys are very passionate about their gaming rigs of choice. Sometimes that clouds our judgement and causes some heated words, but let's try to keep it civil around here.
Glad your glad (get Table Tennis), the 360 is a very enjoyable console as Im sure the PS3 will be.


But anyways a preference shouldnt be viewed as being a "fanboy", I think there is definetely a haze regarding that issue.

[cliffbo]

Cliff did you miss this...

that must have been added later? i didn't see it no... thanks XB :)

[wildcardd]

Glad your glad (get Table Tennis), the 360 is a very enjoyable console as Im sure the PS3 will be.


But anyways a preference shouldnt be viewed as being a "fanboy", I think there is definetely a haze regarding that issue.


I didn't mean it as a fanboy for one console. I own a PS1, PS2, PSP, PC, and several older Nintendo units (not the GC). I consider myself a gaming fanboy. Not necessarily tied to one. As we all here should consider ourselves. "Fanboys of gaming" :) I like the sound of that.

**Edit**
Just changed my title :)

[venomv]

***Warning somewhat off topic***
Wounding...glad to see you back! I have been afraid to "come out" and admit I got a 360 recently.
***Back to the topic at hand***

Lol, you shouldn't be scared to do that.......and you said it in the 360 forum anyway.

Anyway, why don't you guys just say the names, no reason to hold back. Gljvd is a severe pain in the butt, but I think without question he should not be banned. GleefulFairwell (or whatever), well...........

[cliffbo]

I will always opt for 'balance' though, because I think that's a healthy way of viewing the world. A balanced view of things will assist in making life decisions, work, love life; it's all good, none bad. :smoke:

Some people wanted MILR banned, right? But why as a forum didn't we do that?

Because we're all better off for having conformed ourselves to accept him, and in turn he conformed himself some to meet us halfway.

I wouldn't normally single anyone out like that, but it was such a public and contentious issue back in the day that I think it's fair to use as an exemplar.

There are people that I feel clearly cross the line. That guy Viper banned recently, GleefulFarewell sometimes... (though I just delete the worst of his posts now when I see them, and I think he's gotten the message).

Hell, I've deleted some of my own posts in the past because I felt they were contributing to the problem rather than the solution!

As for JVD, 95% of this forum does not want him banned. A vocal minority does - maybe even a majority - but again I've discussed with him the situation and I think he's put forth an effort to be less conrontational in his posts. Personally I like to have a 360 fan or two around the forums for some perspective, as long as they keep it civil. :)

Anyway we'll keep this thread open for a while; I think it's good for the forum for everyone to voice their views on this all - we kind of need it after E3.

And Cliffbo, honestly I would love that 'yellow card' system, but it's just not easily done with this forum software.

if its not possible i guess we are snookered, but it is worth considering if you get better software... yes?... :)

[wildcardd]

Lol, you shouldn't be scared to do that.......and you said it in the 360 forum anyway.

Anyway, why don't you guys just say the names, no reason to hold back. Gljvd is a severe pain in the butt, but I think without question he should not be banned. GleefulFairwell (or whatever), well...........


LOL..yes Venom....I "came out" among my own kind over in the X forums...but that made me take a deep breath before pushing the submit button ....lol...I haven't posted here in a while because of it. I dislike being flamed.

[cliffbo]

LOL..yes Venom....I "came out" among my own kind over in the X forums...but that made me take a deep breath before pushing the submit button ....lol...I haven't posted here in a while because of it. I dislike being flamed.

you made a good purchase. if i could afford to have both systems i would. i don't feel shame saying that either. what are your thoughts for the mods?

[woundingchaney]

you made a good purchase. if i could afford to have both systems i would. i don't feel shame saying that either. what are your thoughts for the mods?
I think we should take it upon ourselves to change the site rather than depend on the mods (except in extreme scenarios).


LOL Yeah I already stated that in 500 words.:tardbang:

[venomv]

LOL..yes Venom....I "came out" among my own kind over in the X forums...but that made me take a deep breath before pushing the submit button ....lol...I haven't posted here in a while because of it. I dislike being flamed.

Well, I would hope that the vast majority here wouldn't do that, but the way things have been sinse E3 I guess I can't say I blaim you. There is zero wrong with the 360 in my opinion, I just don't like a whole lot of games going to it so far, and if the XBox is any indication I probably won't.

[yoshaw]

LOL..yes Venom....I "came out" among my own kind over in the X forums...but that made me take a deep breath before pushing the submit button ....lol...I haven't posted here in a while because of it. I dislike being flamed.

Arent you exaggerating that a bit too much? Since I have yet to see a single case of someone being flamed because they declared purchasing a 360. That's a first I heard to be honest(lol) or it went past me unnoticed.

Man, that's whack if it ever happened in here.

[wildcardd]

*shrugs* Really, every forum has its share of "boneheads" and its share of respectable thoughtful posters. This is an age old problem that dates back to the old BBS days. I don't know if there is an answer. Since there isn't the right software in place for "flagging" people we have to deal with what we are given.

With proper moderating we can make this forum as positive as it has always been. Be polite and courteous to posters. Respect their opinions and if they get out of line warn them. If they continue, ban them. Banning after some warning should be fair to all.

[cliffbo]

Arent you exaggerating that a bit too much? Since I have yet to see a single case of someone being flamed because they declared owning a 360. That's a first I heard to be honest or it went past me unnoticed. Maybe you can point it out if it ever happened in the PS3 section?

its the deliberately persistant and annoying posters whether they are Sony, Nintendo or MS i'm concerned about. every single point anyone makes is taken a sentence at a time and destroyed. everthing on 360 can't be bad, everything on the PS3 can't be bad and everything on the Wii can't be bad, but to these posters they are, even if it means bending the facts a little. i like Live, i think Nintendo are brave with the controller, i just prefer PS3. people are trying too hard to be diplomatic. if we are to have a sensible discussion here and sort things out then we need to keep on topic Yoshaw. i can't recall anyone being flamed for just owning a console either! just people who put other consoles or personalities down for some reason or another.

say it as it is, get it off your chest, but with dignity.

[wildcardd]

Arent you exaggerating that a bit too much? Since I have yet to see a single case of someone being flamed because they declared purchasing a 360. That's a first I heard to be honest(lol) or it went past me unnoticed.

Man, that's whack if it ever happened in here.

True, I can't point to a topic that discusses that.

Perhaps it was my fear of being flamed, or have my comments reduced to a "he bought a X360 what does he know"

Can you imagine what the comments would be if I started my "jumping ship" topic in the Sony forums? ;)

[Goki]

*shrugs* Really, every forum has its share of "boneheads" and its share of respectable thoughtful posters. This is an age old problem that dates back to the old BBS days. I don't know if there is an answer. Since there isn't the right software in place for "flagging" people we have to deal with what we are given.

With proper moderating we can make this forum as positive as it has always been. Be polite and courteous to posters. Respect their opinions and if they get out of line warn them. If they continue, ban them. Banning after some warning should be fair to all.

Go wildcard, Go Wildcard, GO GO ,

aHEM, Yeah what he said, i think this thread has put a lot of people in realization, i mean u only need looking at how many people are looking at this thread to see there is goodness here, I was gonna suggest one thing that might help aswell when people make "better" statements such as "this is better that that", One way of dealing with this is setting some sort of rule that u cannot use the word "better" without using the word "because" since then u would be bringing at least a discussion on board, But i know its sounds
a bit silly dont it.... :/)

"off topic" How the hell u guys get smiles and stuff ????

[cliffbo]

edit: i appologise wild, you have contributed :)

[wildcardd]

your thoughts for the mods?

My "jumping ship" doesn't belong in the Sony forums. That is asking for a flame fest. Hence why I started it in the X360 forums. I would have moved it if I were a mod. ;)

I was using it as an example of Yoshaw's comments.

****EDIT****
No worries Cliffbo...it is nice to know I do contribute sometimes... :)

[yoshaw]

Perhaps it was my fear of being flamed, or have my comments reduced to a "he bought a X360 what does he know"

Can you imagine what the comments would be if I started my "jumping ship" topic in the Sony forums? ;)

Well, I'd be proud of my decisions. I think you should be too. You spent $400 on an Xbox and that is a huge amount and no less. Something valuable caught your eye about that console which made you shell out that money and that's totally awesome. There is nothing wrong with your stating whatever influenced your purchase.

It is when people deliberately post something that not just states the influence but tries to downplay others difference in influence with respect to theirs. lol even I'm confused now. Anyways, I can imagine hundreds of scenarios inside of a 'jumping ship' thread and not just one that only signifies a certain minority on the board. Like you said earlier that bad people are part of the forums but we shouldn't forget the good ones either :)

[D3adcell]

the card system would work well because having seen the red card at the top of the screen you know you've got a week to get it back to yellow. even if after a week it goes back to red, we get some respite from the abusers and who knows because of the efforts to take it from red to yellow those offenders may find themselves more liked and less likely to flame... perfect. like i said as well neg reps should just go.

The card system is not needed and would not work. If you think it through that is.

Who would be the ones to say, give a warning? It would have to be mods or admins of course otherwise other members could just 'red card' anyone that they disliked. But if users could use the 'report bad post' feature then it would help alot too. Then when we do see what the person is doing wrong we can PM them and explain the problem or whatever and ask them to stop or tone it down. As for a warning system I believe there already is one for the mods/admins.

[wildcardd]

Well, I'd be proud of my decisions. I think you should be too. You spent $400 on an Xbox and that is a huge amount and no less. Something valuable caught your eye about that console which made you shell out that money and that's totally awesome. There is nothing wrong with your stating whatever influenced your purchase.

It is when people deliberately post something that not just states the influence but tries to downplay others difference in influence with respect to theirs. lol even I'm confused now. Anyways, I can imagine hundreds of scenarios inside of a 'jumping ship' thread and not just one that only signifies a certain minority on the board. Like you said earlier that bad people are part of the forums but we shouldn't forget the good ones either :)

*adds up total cost* errr...more than $400 *head begins to pound* :)

But yes, I know what you are sayin' man. We shouldn't forget the good, and we should warn, then ban the bad when they continue to be bad.

[wildcardd]

The card system is not needed and would not work. If you think it through that is.

Who would be the ones to say, give a warning? It would have to be mods or admins of course otherwise other members could just 'red card' anyone that they disliked. But if users could use the 'report bad post' feature then it would help alot too. Then when we do see what the person is doing wrong we can PM them and explain the problem or whatever and ask them to stop or tone it down. As for a warning system I believe there already is one for the mods/admins.

Yeah, I would red card Dude every chance I got. ;) OK just kidding Dude.

[cliffbo]

Yeah, I would red card Dude every chance I got. ;) OK just kidding Dude.

don't go straight for red, thats bad reffing, yellow first... :)

[Coded-Dude]

=-o


:emo:

[Gaul]

I know I haven't been here long, and a didnt read all of this thread (8 pages is alot for my tiny brain to process) and my opinion probably won't matter to most of you (and for good reason, seeing as how i wasn't here for most of this E-Mpire strife), but here is what i think anyway.

You talk about how these are all caused by E3 and the new DVD you guys published (which is frickin awsome btw, but i would just like to say that I have not ordered this DvD. I am here to be part of a good forum community. Thats probably the reason i stayed, because i was paying attention to the people in this forum, not just looking for free stuff) As things are going now, I don't think this can be that big of a reason for this problem, simply because these problems are occuring. The strife in the forums doesn't give a good image to new-comers. Most will probably take a look at it all and say "fuck this!" and go off to some other forum, especially since most of them probably don't care about posting anyway, and just want some free swag. I was lucky enough to see through all the crap going on, and I know that this is a high quality forum, with high quality posters. The admins and mods are great, and Its unbelievable that I have not seen one person yet who i have had a problem with (that nintendo_X guys was pretty bad though). So all that, IMO, throws the "lousy members just looking for a free DVD" idea out the window (just in my opinion

The thing is, Being among so many oh-so-dedicated posters has a way of making you feel small. You all sound like a pretty tight group, people who have discussed these things for a long time. It's going to be hard to earn your respects, but I'll do my best.

I think that right now we should just wait it out. These problems will solve themselves in the end

[woundingchaney]

I know I haven't been here long, and my opinion probably won't matter to most of you (and for good reason, seeing as how i wasn't here for most of this E-Mpire strife), but here is what i think anyway.

You talk about how these are all caused by E3 and the new DVD you guys published (which is frickin awsome btw). As things are going now, I don't think this can be that massive of a problem, simply because these problems are occuring. The strife in the forums doesn't give a good image to new-comers. Most will probably take a look at it all and say "fuck this!" and go off to some other forum, especially since most of them probably don't care about posting anyway, and just want some free swag. I was lucky enough to see through all the crap going on, and I know that this is a high quality forum, with high quality posters. The admins and mods are great, and Its unbelievable that I have not seen one person yet who i have had a problem with (that nintendo_X guys was pretty bad though).

The thing is, Being among so many oh-so-dedicated posters has a way of making you feel small. You all sound like a pretty tight group, people who have discussed these things for a long time. It's going to be hard to earn your respects, but I'll do my best.

I think that right now we should just wait it out. These problems will solve themselves in the end


You will be respected simply for engaging conversation, dont let such things worry you. Simply enjoy yourself.

:djparty:

[cliffbo]

I know I haven't been here long, and my opinion probably won't matter to most of you (and for good reason, seeing as how i wasn't here for most of this E-Mpire strife), but here is what i think anyway.

You talk about how these are all caused by E3 and the new DVD you guys published (which is frickin awsome btw). As things are going now, I don't think this can be that massive of a problem, simply because these problems are occuring. The strife in the forums doesn't give a good image to new-comers. Most will probably take a look at it all and say "fuck this!" and go off to some other forum, especially since most of them probably don't care about posting anyway, and just want some free swag. I was lucky enough to see through all the crap going on, and I know that this is a high quality forum, with high quality posters. The admins and mods are great, and Its unbelievable that I have not seen one person yet who i have had a problem with (that nintendo_X guys was pretty bad though).

The thing is, Being among so many oh-so-dedicated posters has a way of making you feel small. You all sound like a pretty tight group, people who have discussed these things for a long time. It's going to be hard to earn your respects, but I'll do my best.

I think that right now we should just wait it out. These problems will solve themselves in the end

you have immediately got my respect with this contribution man. +rep :)

[cliffbo]

maybe the card system can't be done at the moment but the neg repping could easily be stopped. i've been neg repped a few times and it does make me a little negative towards the person responsible, especially when its for no good reason. it is soon forgotten by myself though and so i never persue the repper. but those with less resolve could well persue the guy/gal throughout the forum, deliberately pulling their posts appart. for all we know it could be neg repping that has some people aggrovated and determined to troll the boards in blind rage. we don't need it.

[Gaul]

What exactly IS the new card system? I've seen mention of it a couple times in this thread but i can't seem to nail down exactly what it is.

[cliffbo]

What exactly IS the new card system? I've seen mention of it a couple times in this thread but i can't seem to nail down exactly what it is.

it was only a suggestion of mine so that we would have a visible indication of potential flamers (mainly for mods though) yellow card means: you have been warned, you have one week to calm it down. red card means: last warning, you have one more week to stop or your banned. the card would go at the top right next to the rep icon. if the person responsible does calm down the red turns back to yellow and the yellow disappears. so, just like the rep system it gives us a motive to improve our posts.

[woundingchaney]

What exactly IS the new card system? I've seen mention of it a couple times in this thread but i can't seem to nail down exactly what it is.
Its a suggestion proposed by Cliffbo on how to handle unothordox members, it is not in use. Its more along the lines of a theory based off of the popular sport soccer (football to the rest of the world).


You beat me to it Cliff.

[OmniCloud]

I think everyone needs to just stop being a "fanboy"...THere's nothing wrong w/favoring a certain system. But when stuff happens that u don't like, don't defend just because it's ur favorite system. I love SOny! I started gaming in the SNES era and when PS came I was immediately in love and never bought another system but Playstation. (played Zelda and Mario at my cousins's house btw) However, I'm not happy with PS3 right now-it's more money that I'm willing to play, they took the freakin rumble out! They didn't put on a MEGATON show at E3 like usually! And currently, there not doing anything that M$ isn't-which they basically said they would. I still love Sony and PS3-but I'm not gonna just be oblivious to things that I'm (and I think a lot of other people) not happy with. I think if people just stop being fanboys, whether its blatant or subtle-and really just comprehend that we are all consumers ...I think this thread will go back to normal. I was only here for a short time, (this is OmniCloud btw) however even in my first weeks of being here I was drawn in to conversations and discussions. People who quote what you say because they share the same thought or memory. Discussions where people actually agree and complement each other. I found myself drawn to the computer just seeing what everyone was talking about! This forum is still great, and I think always will be as long as gaming is around. E3 had a lot of surprises and really huge bombs dropped on everyone-this is just the forums way of "recovering" I think. I agree tho that's it's up to everyone not just the mods to keep the peace and healthy conversation throughout the forums. I think the people who want to be here tho-will...

[cliffbo]

Its a suggestion proposed by Cliffbo on how to handle unothordox members, it is not in use. Its more along the lines of a theory based off of the popular sport soccer (football to the rest of the world).


You beat me to it Cliff.

two explanations are better than one :)

reps to encourage you to contribute often and sensibly
cards to discourage you from contributing negatively
absolutely perfect!!!!!

[OmniCloud]

Cliffbo son...who's ass is that? I been telling my girl to work out more and tone up ever since u put that profile pic up..lol

[Gaul]

even in my first weeks of being here I was drawn in to conversations and discussions. People who quote what you say because they share the same thought or memory. Discussions where people actually agree and complement each other. I found myself drawn to the computer just seeing what everyone was talking about! This forum is still great, and I think always will be as long as gaming is around.

We are in the same boat. Every time i come on i find myself wishing i could post faster. There are so many posts up at once that people are responding to every 5 minutes it becomes tough to keep track. Usually i join a forum and I check in once or twice a day and make posts on all the updated threads. Now that is impossible because there are so many threads being posted in at such a high rate that every time i leave and come back after an hour or so i feel like i have just missed a month of posting. I like that. This is the first forum that i actually feel compelled to come back and post on.

[cliffbo]

Cliffbo son...who's ass is that? I been telling my girl to work out more and tone up ever since u put that profile pic up..lol

i don't know but there are fingerprints all over the top left of my monitor. cleanex anyone... for the fingerprints of course!

[woundingchaney]

We are in the same boat. Every time i come on i find myself wishing i could post faster. There are so many posts up at once that people are responding to every 5 minutes it becomes tough to keep track. Usually i join a forum and I check in once or twice a day and make posts on all the updated threads. Now that is impossible because there are so many threads being posted in at such a high rate that every time i leave and come back after an hour or so i feel like i have just missed a month of posting. I like that. This is the first forum that i actually feel compelled to come back and post on.
LOL yeah I know nearly 2000 posts in one year. Thats about 6 posts a day every day.

[cliffbo]

We are in the same boat. Every time i come on i find myself wishing i could post faster. There are so many posts up at once that people are responding to every 5 minutes it becomes tough to keep track. Usually i join a forum and I check in once or twice a day and make posts on all the updated threads. Now that is impossible because there are so many threads being posted in at such a high rate that every time i leave and come back after an hour or so i feel like i have just missed a month of posting. I like that. This is the first forum that i actually feel compelled to come back and post on.

ye thats why i don't start new threads very often....

back on topic to me this sums it up perfectly:
reps to encourage you to contribute often and sensibly
cards to discourage you from contributing negatively

[Applefiend]

I don't think there's anything about being enthusiastic about PS3 in here. I personally have mostly negative things to say about 360,DS and Wii, to the point of thinking I'm going to sell my 360 if PS3 delivers 360 quality graphics *at least*, but I certainly woudn't spew all that venom on the 360,DS and Wii conferences here. I only go to those places when I have something good to say, that's just polite. You have to be well behaved on eMpire, it's a class act.

People want to play a bit of Warioware Smooth Moves, Halo 3, Gears. Who am I to say they shouldn't.

But bullshitting people about PS3 is just going to hurt in the long run. People will get an idea PS3 has this or that feature, then it it turns out to be false, get very dissapointed.

[Viper]

Goki, you can get smilies by clicking New Reply to the bottom left of any post (or hit the quote button) and small grouping of smilies will be viewable in the box on the right with a link to the remainder.

Rioter14, welcome to the forums. I can tell you'll become a long standing and respected member already. I know this sounds cliche but it's not usually like this. The Carlos thing was a joke that long standing members from the original forum would understand and the joke is now over. The increased rate of console debate is easily influenced by the news stemmed from E3. The difference before and after is very apparent and even many good members found themselves tied up in some debates they had no business being in (myself included).

The Fanboy:
Terminology used to describe an ignorant fan of one particluar brand or brand maker. The problem with the term is its over usage and the transference of simply being a label to being an insult. There is a broad difference in a fan and a fanboy.
Fan: One who appreciates a specific item, brand or brand maker and defends that appreciation with facts, reason and logic without resorting attacking other items, brands or brand makers.
Fanboy: A fan that defends their appreciation without facts, reason and logic and feels compelled to ensure personal superiority by attempting to project inferior ideologies upon competing items, brands, brand makers and their fans.

Very few of us that post on a regular basis are even remotely close to being fanboys however many fans when provoked, presented with false information or ignorance will resort to almost fanboy like rants in defense. This is not a trait of a fanboy but an emotional response build upon frustration of repeatedly incorrect knowledge being spread as fact. It is these outbursts that have become more common lately and it's largely due to corporate PR and marketing by the console makers and their fans that either share the ignorant feeling or create their own version of it...granted many are unintentional and not meant to cause contraversy.

The Warning system: Cliff, vBulletin v. 3.0 + has a built in warning system that the mods/smods/admins can use to warn and automatically ban members based on their warning levels. We've tried the system twice and found that human intervention and judgement to be most preferable. Using the Report Bad Post feature is a way the regular members can do their part. The yellow/red card idea would be difficult to develop and would actually have some negative effects. To see so many people with yello or red cards in their post bit (the section above each post with your user info) would drive off potential members. It's why banned members no longer have a pink username. We'd rather not have guests know who and how many are banned or how many problematic members we might have.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Rioter14, The Carlos thing was a joke that long standing members from the original forum would understand and the joke is now over
MAy I ask a quick question about this, since I rarely read through the Nintendo boards. Isn't Carlos the real name of Omega? Why does everybody hate him?m I for one find that he makes rather good points with his posts.:dazed:

[Viper]

No, Omega is the owner and is most definetly not Carlos. This didn't take place in the Nin boards though so I'm not sure where you're getting that part from.

[Phryne Astynome]

The forum has degenerated a bit but nowhere near the level of other forums. Go to Gaming-Age if you want to see a really bad forum. Nevertheless, the inane fanboy accusations and Microsoft bashing has to stop since all it does is derail threads.

Also, stop bashing JVD, I am not a fan of his posts (I find him eccentric) but there is no need to publicly call a poster out for no reason. Calling out a poster like that isn't something that I remember PSINext engaging in from the time that I have been here.

Anyways, the day that PSINext goes down to European Soccer fan/DU/FreeRepublic/GAF level is the day that I leave this forum. It hasn't reached that level yet thankfully.

This forum is the only video game forum outside of Beyond3d that doesn't have those inane memes or photoshops that places like GAF has. I hope the mature discussion, that this forum was known for, returns again since I miss that about this forum. Also, while I compared the forum to others and stated we have not degenerated as much, this does not mean that the forum is in a good state. We can and need strive to do better and build a stronger reputation even when the forum is not going through the problems that it is currently going through.

[Gaul]

Compared to other forums, even in its current state E-mpire is still ahead of the game when it comes to its members. Most forums are just a bunch of morons arguing back and forth over completely useless topics when there are things they could actually be discussing that are at least relevant in some way to the forums purpose. Comparing E-mpire to its competition, I'd say its doing great.

[Angeljuice]

I joined this forum in the final weeks before the changeover, and I came to it through a lot of hard work trawling lesser forums looking for a balanced viewpoint.
What I found was a collection of intelligent individuals with whom I could converse and discuss complex issues concerning hardware perfomance, specifications, concepts and romours without being ambushed by a million idiots.

The mix of people here has always been good, and this forum h