Joystiq poll. Next-gen console combos

[Sephiroth_VII]

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After receiving over 30,000 votes -- a new Joystiq record methinks, and nearly four times as many responses as our earlier poll -- we finally have a winner! For our poll, we wrote, "With a finite amount of entertainment dollars going to next-gen consoles, it could be argued that every extra dollar spent on a PS3 is one less being spent on another console like the Wii."

With a more expensive PSWii combo, our readers aren't going to be dropping the Wii so much as they'll be buying less PS3s. Even with a much larger test bed, the percentage of respondents who intend to purchase a Wii is roughly the same; however, the PlayStation 3 suffered a significant setback, resulting in an increase in Xbox 360 purchasing intentions.

Total percentages: # of votes - % of votes - previous %
Wii: 26204 votes - 85.93% - 84.21%
PS3: 6581 votes - 21.58% - 48.41%
360: 17629 votes - 57.81% - 46.30%

Market share: new % - old %
Wii: 51.98% - 47.06%
PS3: 13.05% - 27.06%
360: 34.97% - 25.88%

It is clear that Peter Moore's assertion that people are "going to buy an Xbox and they're going to buy a Wii" has some legs, with a plurality of voters choosing the Wii60 combo platter. Nintendo's console combo strategy also appears to have withstood Sony's price announcement, just resulting in notably less PSWii bundles.

Of course, these numbers may have no analog in real life sales for any console (statisticians we are not) but they do represent an accurate depiction of what Joystiq readers think. Have at 'em.

(Update: corrected some grammatical confusion.)
God, the whole world seems to be turning against the PS3:wtf: What surprises me the most is that, according to this poll, there are more people who are gonna buy all three console, than people who will buy the PS3 stand-alone.

[xbdestroya]

LOL - uh, because it's expensive... ;)

Don't worry about it, come the launch, the PS3's numbers in polls will be up sharply again.

But there has to be a realization that for the moment, the PS3 is *not* the console of choice among the majority of online/forum-going mainstream gamers - whatever degree of an oximoron 'online/forum-going' and 'mainstream' might be...

86% of people as polled there say they want a Wii. I mean, that's big numbers!

I don't think when the day actually comes though, 86% of people are actually going to pay out for a Wii - I think they say they want one now, but talk is cheaper than action.

Still, if Nintendo can maintain *any* of this momentum, clearly they'll do very well for themselves this gen.

[VG Aficionado]

Oh no, a 30.000 people poll on the internet says PS3 sucks! :drunk:

[Nameless]

Oh no, a 30.000 people poll on the internet says PS3 sucks! :drunk:
I agree...
Polls are generally inaccurate and usually used to mislead people into conformity... :closed:

[Sephiroth_VII]

No reason to close it. Just stop posting and it'll sink to the bottom.

[cliffbo]

No reason to close it. Just stop posting and it'll sink to the bottom.

sorry! polls are notorious for gleaning current resentment towards one thing or another and not what people will do in actuality. in a years time this poll will change dramatically.

[Applefiend]

As far as PS3 goes we are at the low point, and the poll is a reflection of it. Things get better now that the price A Bomb has been dropped.

Just have to have a British stiff upper lip and keep you head while all around you are losing theres. Pip Pip!

[Viper]

Sony's large userbase is made up of largely casual gamers and casual gamers are not the ones posting on the Internet. This is correlated by the lack of Sony gaming forums and sites comapred to the other consoles.

Because of this unbalanced approach, I'd grant a 15-20% upswing, at least, to Sony for the poll figures.

Now the comparison between old and new figures cannot be given this error correction as the figures are between the same group.

[Applefiend]

Yup, there's 100 Million of these PS2 owners out there, but on the internet they're almost invisible.... It's spooky.

[HolyPaladin]

[center][IMG]God, the whole world seems to be turning against the PS3:wtf: What surprises me the most is that, according to this poll, there are more people who are gonna buy all three console, than people who will buy the PS3 stand-alone.

This surprises people because...? Ever since the PS3 price point was unveiled at E3, people have been arguing back and forth about it. The diehard Sony folks are on one side shrugging it off as being a great bargain (which it is for what you get but a $500,000 supercar can also be seen as a bargain for what you get but still isn't realistic for the average Joe), but on the other side we have the vast majority of the general public that's doing a tripple-take with their jaws on the floor and cradling their aching wallets.

These types of poll results are standard since E3. Nothing to be surprised by. The bottom line is that for the average gamer on the street a price tag in excess of half a grand is a very difficult pill to swallow, no matter how much you get for your money.

[masteratt]

Few Million will go to "hardcore fans" and when sales start to struggle, if Sony timed it right, that's when they can afford to drop prices. It's good that it's expensive in a way because it means shipping won't struggle keeping with demand although it still will!

Remeber guys, PS2 alone has over 90 Millions 'fans'. We are not talking some stupid 30000 people here (i think that poll is fake btw).
Sony can wipe their ass with that many people ;) (although they would prefer selling them a PS3 instead of wiping their ass with 'em but Sony won't be able to ship as many to meet everyone who "just might as well buy a ps3")

Anywho, we should let Sony worry about marketing/selling PS3 and we should worry about enjoying it. :hugegrin:

[Viper]

(i think that poll is fake btw).
You say that soley because it protrays the PS3 negatively or do you have something to back that up? Thsi is not the first post E3 poll to follow this same pattern and many are from reputable sites, a la Gamespot, 1Up, IGN, etc...

[Sephiroth_VII]

I do not think that this poll is false, otherwise I wouldn't post it! Joystick is a reputeable website, and are pretty much unbiased from what I've read. Besides, the current opinion of the new people coming in here some sems to be PS3 negative. Our own poll (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=57523) showed a 14.58% drop in buyers, and that's on a PS oriented forum!

[masteratt]

Hmm, sorry about that. No idea what I had in mind when I made that blind assumption.

[Freak]

Meh that poll means nothing... Most sony fans are more mature for the most part and don't need to take no stinking poll to know that there system (ps3) is better.

So the poll was over run by wii and 360 fans big deal there are millions of sony fans working to get a ps3 and don't have time for a poll or feel the need to take a poll to make them feel better about there console choice.

[woundingchaney]

We are more than accepting of any poll that shows results favoring Sony yet discriminate against those that favor another manufacturer. (many of us anyways)

Although for the most part I agree that polls have their purpose but they are by no means an accurate assessment of situations.

The vast majority of Sony's consumers are of the general casual nature and its quite possible that their price point may hinder the acceptance of the PS3 amongst them. Banking on the general consumer this gen may cost Sony a substantial loss in market share (although I expect them to end out number one but by no where near the numbers of this gen). The PS3 represents much more than just another console generation to Sony and even if they lose market share or come up behind other manufacturers the could see substantial profits in the long run.

[overclocked]

Not suprised at all. Its been soo much trash-talk on the internet. When they release it and people see it on the shelfs in the stores, the games, when marketing and all kicks in etc i think even the most diehard fanboys are going to realize its actually released and they didnt fuck up. Many are in "some" state of mind that it cant be released ever, like a legend or something, interesting. :book:

[yoshaw]

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Well PS3 is an expensive console for a lot of people(me included)

lol

[Domination]

http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/06/console_combo_joystiq_poll.jpg

God, the whole world seems to be turning against the PS3:wtf: What surprises me the most is that, according to this poll, there are more people who are gonna buy all three console, than people who will buy the PS3 stand-alone.

Why does this surprise you. This was pointed out before, which many did not want to face up to. For the average consumer or those not fortunate enough to come up with such an amount of money at one time, the PS3 is expensive. It is those people that will see it as just another games console. I don't care how you try to justify it. At the price it sells at, I can only see the hardcore base and gamers purchasing the console when it launches. It is why I continue to address the fact that Sony needs to drop the cost or set an affordable package before those consumers buy into the product.

[GTShotoKen]

If this poll holds any merit...this will definitely give me a better chance of getting one at launch. http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/happy/060.gif

[yoshaw]

If this poll holds any merit...this will definitely give me a better chance of getting one at launch. http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/happy/060.gif

LOL , I was thinking quite in the same league as that. America might be saturated with pre-orders and what not but when it arrives here from Sony official retailers. Then I'd have a better chance at getting it day1.

Hmmm, I wonder if there are more than 30,000 people that are simply waiting to jump at the opportunity just like the 2 of us ;)

[woundingchaney]

Be seeing you guys in line.:thumbl:

[MaceSin]

Wii ftw. :banana:

[Zer0-Sum]

First off it is a poll at Joysick! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! They are one level higher than Inquirer, which is just above the slime of a monkies BUTT! So forget it! Most of those sites are so anti-Sony now it is pathetic!

[woundingchaney]

First off it is a poll at Joysick! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! They are one level higher than Inquirer, which is just above the slime of a monkies BUTT! So forget it! Most of those sites are so anti-Sony now it is pathetic!
Joystick never made me think they are anti - Sony????

Its a poll nothing more.

[jaxmkii]

Yup, there's 100 Million of these PS2 owners out there, but on the internet they're almost invisible.... It's spooky. there to buisy playing all the funn games;)

[jaxmkii]

First off it is a poll at Joysick! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! They are one level higher than Inquirer, which is just above the slime of a monkies BUTT! So forget it! Most of those sites are so anti-Sony now it is pathetic!
hey i have an idea take our own poll

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=57523

[GTShotoKen]

Some people are carry the price of the PS3 to overkill.

Very few people are going to be using their debit cards to purchase this peace of hardware anyways.

Don't take that as bad financial sense on my part. This case is special!

[Viano]

http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/06/console_combo_joystiq_poll.jpg


This poll is a flaw because most people don't purposely go to store and get two consoles. Also, this can be argued in another way because most people will spend the "same" price on just "one" better "new" piece of hardware.

I am not arguing ps3 is better or what but what the point of this poll...? huge of amount of users simply don't evern consider getting two console and this poll is actualy forcing people choose more consoles as possible and the one who made this poll simply knew that the price would be the prior reason for people to make desicions. The result of this poll if predictable as it yet no use at all in the real world.

I.M.O.♪

[masonite]

i think the poll is an indication of the current reaction towards combination console sales. however individual sales will be another thng. the overall positions may remain the same, but i can't see them having the massive gap they currently do i the above poll. if people are complaining about the price of one of the consoles, i can't see them going out and spending more money on two consoles (and then incurring more costs over time for peripherals and games for each of those two consoles). i think most people will decide on one console - after all, it's not the console that ends up costing a lot over time, its the games and perpherals, which multiply for each new console you buy...

also, is this supposed to be an "if i had enough money" poll, or a "i'm definately going to get and have preordered" poll? the truth is you can't tell, and, as with all polls, i'd say it should be taken with a grain of salt - i've never seen a 100% accurate poll in my life (or even a 75% accurate poll for that matter) however i dont doubt the massive interest that the wii has at this moment.

[stanDarsh]

Can we stop with the damage control already? It's a poll for crying out loud, give it a rest.

[Viano]

no offense but most people are unlikely to get two consoles one day, and people are using the poll to judge the opinions from others(I mean just by looking at the poll), so I think it's something worth pointing out, not damaging.♪

[ddaryl]

the other thing I know to be true based on thelast gens console war is that nintendo fans mostly and Xbox fans love to attack online polls from their perspective forums.

I've witnessed threads on other forums with people posting links to polls and gaining support and ultimately changing the true outcome. Nintnedo fans especially seem to feel the most compelled to do this, but hardcore X-Snots love beating Sony in anything including online polls.

I think the majority Sony fans just don't care anymore about polls, and don't follow the internet console war much.

I personally never goto joystiq.com, so how I didn't vote.

anyone here vote on that poll ?

[stanDarsh]

Viano, "Damage Control" in this instance means, when some article, poll or whatever else comes out saying something negative about one's desired console or console manufacturer, those people will be quick to refute that piece of information often with nonsense arguments.

Given this example, "Website A" makes a pole, the pole ends up being geared negatively in "Company A's" favourite and positively in "Company B and C's" favour. extreme fans of "Company A" will say "Website A is biased"

[Viano]

I never meant to say the site was biased or something, I don't even know much about the site lol. Since this poll brought up the combo thing which some people have been discussing lately, so I just gave my thoughts on the combo thing not directly to the poll. Anyways I have what I wanted to said lol♪。

[stanDarsh]

I actually wasnt referring to you when I made that first post, so no need to feel guilty or anything ;-]

[Chrome]

Joystiq is a site thats full of Industry hating System Terriorist's. Their members hate the PlayStation brand, so you would expect thier poll to be biased. I really hate I re-itterate hate site's like that.
They give bad reviews for software on platforms that they don't like and expect the general populus to have the exact same taste's as them.
Kill all game review sites and we'll sell more units, rant rant...

[GTShotoKen]

I actually wasnt referring to you when I made that first post, so no need to feel guilty or anything ;-]

Please don't say you were referring to me stanDarsh? http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/sad/1393.gif

[Viano]

Please don't say you were referring to me stanDarsh? http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/sad/1393.gif

No he had a mirror next to him ; p♪

[GTShotoKen]

No he had a mirror next to him ; p♪

+added to future PWN list...check

[Viano]

what do u mean lol

[Viper]

I mentioned before that most PS gamers don't have a strong presence on the Internet. This is why I suggesting adding a few percentage points to the Sony variables in the poll.

However, the sentiments made in this poll are correlated by polls at many other more reputable sites.

I think part of the problem is that Sony fans simply are not used to seeing this end of the stick and this is the first time they've had to react to it.

[8_Bit]

My answer to all this is simple:

Wait until they see the games.

It's easy to say you aren't going to fork over $500 minimum for PS3 when the PS3 is just some nebulous vision in your head, based on a few MPEGS and screenshots.

But when you see one in the store, running a Blu-ray demo on a huge 1080p home theater setup, and then pick up some sick game like Heavenly Sword or you can hold the six-axis controller in your hand and make that Warhawk bird go wherever you want, things may very well get a little more...complicated.

:evil:

Right now, all this "what I'm going to get, what I'm not going to get" stuff is all theory. Wait until their friend has one down the street, and they don't. Minds will change.

[Nodieza]

I must admitt if I didn't have a job and soon to be living on my own there would be NO way in hell I could get a PS3, it's a pretty penny, very pretty indeed.

I imagine all the 5-12 year olds will ask for a Wii for christmas because it's affordable, and all the 13-16 year olds will want a PS3 but wouldn't dare ask for a $500-$600 present...

but I also believe a lot of the people who bought a 360 will buy a PS3 once they start actually marketing with trailers and posters and cut outs inside game stores and on TV.

I remember everytime the MGS2 trailer would come on TV my heart would stop and I'd think "I HAVE to get a PS2 some how" I am sure a lot of PS2 owners will see their favorite games "updated" and will ache to play the newest installment on the ps3.

but all bets are off. I am still a little concerned for Sony overall, I know they'll survive but I can't see them coming out on top.

I am still pissed at Ninty over Zelda >.> Two versions... bleh...