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Viano

06-07-2006, 07:59 AM

First of all.. Anyone tell me how do I use google to translate to English?loL.

If not I'll see what I can do about it..

Title below, The changes of software module.
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0607/kaigai276_02l.gif

well here's my lil summary

- Games on PS3 are running at the PS3 with "basic configuration"

- Softwares will have different relationship with hardware(include none gaming) in future.

- Software module will be made inside the PS3(←my direct translation, such as OS?) so PS3 will have no problem adopting new hardware parts(this doesn't mean you can upgrade but just different versions of PS3).

- Thus two models of PS3 are actually two different configurations, thus there might be other configurations in future, such as, enhanced version of CELL, more memory etc.. (I personally believe this is for none gaming software uses) So the Higher-End model of PS3 might be released in future.

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0607/kaigai276

♪

Viano

06-07-2006, 08:26 AM

chrismt

06-07-2006, 08:36 AM

KK is really really wanting to usurp the PC throne. This doesn't surprise me, but in a way it does. I was not expecting any upgradability. Perhaps this means, like you said, that "the ultimate gaming rig" PS3 will be released in the future. MILR, this thread is for YOU!!

ps.. Thanks Viano for posting your own translation (sort of ;-]) Also, you can use http://babelfish.altavista.com/ to translate the site, or type is the Watch Impress url into google and click on the translate this page link.

yoshaw

06-07-2006, 08:38 AM

Here's how google translated it. Grab some headache pills while you're at it.

@ Viano: You need to see for a link called Language Tools. That's where you can have foriegn text translated.

PLAYSTATION 3 (PS3) to sale, SONY [konpiyutaentateinmento] which starts accelerating more and more (SCEI). But, the former game machine the strategy of the entertainment computer PS3 which works out one line has still permeated with is inexpressible. 　The hisashi of Representative President and group CEO the same company is directed 夛 well the strategy and vision of PS3 were asked to the wooden health person.

Therefore the computer PLAYSTATION 3 PLAYSTATION 3 which evolves

<Q> You said that from the time before, SCEI PLAYSTATION 3 (PS3) is not the game machine, is the computer. Whether or not in that sense, PS3 places HDD usually, you thought that it is the important point, whether or not, but becomes the computer of. But, it did not make the standard loading of HDD, very clear. From 2005, meandering bending, there is an impression finally of settling to standard loading.

<Hisashi 夛 it is good the wooden person> We would like to insert HDD usually, that in heart it had been decided. So, perhaps unless, the financial reason, it cannot guarantee rear 2.5 inch drive itself that much, there were various unsolved questions. By some chance, perhaps it came to the point of putting out the version which does not have HDD. So, when it does, it becomes perfectly the game machine, but I would like to do the computer, is with (that is troubled). 　There being a circumstance such as that, when you insert HDD, deciding the stomach, preparedness was necessary.

<Q> If the game machine HDD becomes economic pressure. As for HDD cost does not go down different from the semiconductor chip. Therefore, it becomes cost increase of 40~50 dollar via the life cycle of the game machine. In case of the game machine, finally price is dropped to with 100 dollar level, but when HDD standard is loaded, that becomes difficult. In other words, as for PS3 as for the price model like the game machine the notion that where you do not take?

<Hisashi 夛 it is good the wooden person> Even, the game machine [tsu] [te] it is not said there are no I, (laughing). Therefore as for PS3, different from present PS clearly the computer. 　When certainly, seeing, as the game machine in order to reduce cost, you must be it is to hard it matures. As a methodology, the semiconductor is gathered and summarized, the cost reduction that was done, so far power source capacity is decreased. You do the same thing, naturally even with PS3. 　But because PS3 is the computer, (not only reducing price) we would like to evolve. Oh with while saying, it probably will stop wanting to increase also the capacity of HDD if and, in the future, new standard keeps increasing with PC, that stops wanting to correspond. Perhaps also BD drive stops wanting to write in. Well, BD however perhaps it does not become so.

<Q> Therefore as for PS3 the computer, it is not bound in price of the game machine and restriction of the model of cost. Therefore, it places also necessary HDD usually as a computer it is possible to thinking that and, it evolves hard?

<Hisashi 夛 it is good the wooden person> Not only HDD, it is the computer even in the point which adopts all standards. As for interface, in the past it was the PlayStation private memo Ricardo slot. So, with PS3, only the slot of PC standard it is attached. 　Therefore standard, naturally, interface opening. As for me nothing (standard is grasped). Therefore the computer it is possible to have making free. Even HDD, if the person who can fumble PC [sakusaku] be able to upgrade, the [chi] [ya] [u].

<Q> The game machine locks the specifications of hard via life cycle. But, as for PS3 in order to be close to PC in the point which can change constitution softly, it is visible.

<Hisashi 夛 it is good the wooden person> Therefore as for PS3 the computer, as for certain there is no “model”, the [te], “configuration”. That this time it has been about probably to put out to clearing. When it is what, BTO (build two order) the extent which is possible to produce the list (laughing). Even, because well, when you do that, circulation is confused. If so, PS3, you try if probably to do even BTO is possible.

<Q> With interview of the time before, it was not hard, PS3, the meta format talked just is with. With PS3, if the specifications which can send the software of fixed profile have been filled up, above that the configuration of hard is possible? <Hisashi 夛 it is good the wooden person> It is like the. Therefore, which configuration all PS3. <Q> Like PC, being thought that yearly, it keeps expanding the specifications?

<Hisashi 夛 it is good the wooden person> You think that 1 years, (expanding configuration) it is possible to put out, (laughing). The joke [po] [ku] saying, however the [ru], if Dell you probably will do and, you probably will do even with Apple. If PC, when also 2 years leave (the specifications), the you overtaking [chi] [ya] [u]. Being something which it keeps changing steadily it does, the computer the [yo]? (Also HDD) 60GB becomes insufficient no matter what perhaps and, even memory becomes insufficient. There are various possibilities.

<Q> It exceeded the specifications which are necessary for the meta format of the PS3 game, there is also a possibility PS3 configuration of computing power strengthening edition coming out?

<Hisashi 夛 it is good the wooden person> It can be. If we would like to doing keeps increasing, naturally it becomes so. Of course, whether we would like to doing to somewhere it increases however it depends.

<Q> With E3 while developing the first party title lined up with [pureiaburu] and was an impact.

<Hisashi 夛 it is good the wooden person> When it is advance expectation, [pureiaburu] was said that it is not, (laughing). So, because many [pureiaburu] probably are thought come out with, no one. At least, it has gone to [pureiaburu] of that level with the wax which was not thought. 　Normally, because as for the first party protruding so however there is a problem, you think that it is responsibility, you came out of wide ones. First when there is a responsibility which shows standard. 　As for the time of PlayStation 1 there was an arcade game with respect to 1st as the software which becomes standard. Therefore, Sega which can transplant the arcade game, [namuko] was strong. The arcade game becoming standard, the game kept being made. 　So, as for latest PS3, you think that it exceeds all standards. Because of that, unless by his with conviction when this it is it shows standard, everyone thought of where that you probably will not know whether it is possible to face. As a responsibility of the first party, not only the platform, unless it shows in the software and the various parts. As for the standard, that like this is with even standard of no mosquito month ago which reaches to sale. It evolves more and more to into November PS3 sale. Perhaps, you think that it became one standard.

<Q> The third party was not conspicuous relatively. With the first party and the third party, this time in order for difference to open rather, it is visible.

<Hisashi 夛 it is good the wooden person> It is good, you attached to coming and it is bad attached, E3 was the first party [zu] paragraph. After all, the thing of hard it is well understood inside the company and, at the same time, there is the being connected of side of the global studio of SCEI. This time, with the notion that where, demonstration was made various information joint ownership, engine joint ownership and know-how joint ownership will be done. 　It was the aggregate of the studio where until now, the studio of this corporation has adhered region (every SCE organization). That about half year ago, Harrison (Phil Harrison. President and Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios) and Yamanouchi (Yamanouchi one model person. President and [porihuonidejitaru]) including, it made each studio simultaneous. Often offplot doing, in regard to E3 all studio interchanging, unless in well also it probably goes being, you did. So it does with it goes to there.

<Q> The computing power of Cell of PS3, whether 遙 has surpassed PC. It depends on also the type of computing, but operational efficiency is remarkable. But, because of that the programming model being complicated, the hurdle is high. With the third party, as for Cell as for person and Cell that it cannot be unmanageable to, in order in the person that, for [deberotsupa] to have converted bipolar, it is funny absurdly, it is visible.

<Hisashi 夛 it is good the wooden person> At even at the time of PlayStation 1, only 2D graphics as for the person who was done, “cannot be unmanageable PlayStation to, what you do, you do not know at all whether it is, because with there is a library, it is good well?”, it was the like feeling. 　Now, as for the game machine having converted to computer steadily you are not wrong. So when it does, (programming is different) until now. When processor performance of the game machine rises, it is difficult to make (the software), it is strange it is not. The clock and memory of PC, HDD improving, because it became profound long, the software make saying, the person who is said it is not, probably will be. On the computer, PS3, () the person of the programmer of the Top Gun would like to have thriving the arm.

<Q> Under present conditions, as for the development with PS3, it depends on the talent and effort of the programmer. Being complete the library and the middleware, it keeps lightening the burden of the programmer has not been in time.

<Hisashi 夛 it is good the wooden person> It arranges the middleware. But, the middleware [tsu] [te] to tell the truth it makes long the being less crowded which is made shortly the band. But so from former timesThat when you say, whether should have depended on the middleware the game is possible, so is not. At least with PS3, as for the middleware however use at such place time to be, as for here unless the allowance that unless you note, is recognized it encounters to the miserable eye.

<Q> Microsoft, has been about to actualize the framework of the programming framework which succeeds with PC, even with the game machine. On OS, it keeps gathering socket API which is standardized.

<Hisashi 夛 it is good the wooden person> Because Microsoft it has come from PC, you say that in the world of PC such it rubbed. So, when you see from me, then there is no evolution it is with you think.

<Q> In the previous game console generation, SCEI and Microsoft, as for the direction 3 of Nintendo Co., although it was different, as for difference it was not that much large. The direction where however, this time, 3 corporations are different completely it is faced. There is a dramatic difference.

<Hisashi 夛 it is good the wooden person> If the market should have activated with that, it is it is not? When it means the same thing, don't you think? from the murder combination [tsu] [chi] [ya] [u].

As for those where it is clear with PS3, it is not the game machine and the point that you aim toward the entertainment computer. Because of that, as for PS3, “common sense of the former with game machine” the part which cannot be measured is many. Those where it is important even among them with PS3 are the point where configuration is possible. In other words, existence of the configuration where hardware constitution differs is permitted. 　

Therefore, with PS3 the “60GB HDD model” is not, has made “60GB HDD configuration”. In other words, countless configuration being possible to in addition to, if you try probably to do, like PC it is the case that we would like to say that even selling with BTO it is possible. At present time, still as for variety of configuration it has not been visible, but if PS3 succeeds once and also the hardware is digested, the possibility also diversification of configuration advancing is high.

　In addition, memory was increased, strengthening edition Cell was placed, there is also a possibility evolution shape configuration appearing. In other words, as for the game machine, the specifications also the model that, with PS3 while it is deferment, it reduces price gradually, the possibility of stopping passing is high. If it goes according to thought, it may become the shape in the same way as PC, yearly, the high performance PS3 comes out. 　However, the “PS3 game” is developed following to fixed profile, it is seen that operation is guaranteed even with the lowest specifications. As for “PS3” in conventional sense, in this generation, it becomes the meaning, hardware environment which can send the software of a certain profile. 　

Because such configuration is actualized, with PS3, the design where also software structure differs until recently has been done. To PS2, as for the software which hits to OS and the library and device driver, the majority was placed on optical disk side. Because of that, unless the hardware specifications are maintained strictly uniformly, compatibility of the software could not be taken.

　Vis-a-vis that, with PS3, as much as possible software module is loaded onto the flash memory of PS3 itself. Because it has the based software group on substance side, modifying hardware specification, it can correspond by the fact that it modifies the software of substance side. With PS3, also constitution of software layer, changes largely from the traditional game machine, has become PC. Though, as for change of software layer, in Xbox→Xbox 360 also similar thing to occur, trend being.

Original Japanese version below
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0607/kaigai276.htm

Viano

06-07-2006, 09:01 AM

actually the game software will still use the basic configuration so it won't matter for the game quality I think.

overclocked

06-07-2006, 09:09 AM

I wouldn't say having different configuration is that important if you already have a PS3. However, what he stated is indeed truely important on the penetration of the none gaming softeware on PS3.

"It's one ambitious Hub" That's all I can say.

Viano, how is the Japanese crowd in general towards PS3(out of interest)?

Its a well known fact that the xbox crowd screams the loudest on the net, while us calm Playstation likers is more soft, its of the topic(sorry) but do you others feel the same "trend", ie the live-hardcores bringing noice on the net?

Viano

06-07-2006, 10:12 AM

Viano, how is the Japanese crowd in general towards PS3(out of interest)?

Its a well known fact that the xbox crowd screams the loudest on the net, while us calm Playstation likers is more soft, its of the topic(sorry) but do you others feel the same "trend", ie the live-hardcores bringing noice on the net?

Actually there are different kind of fanboysm or likesome toward to console in Japan. Most of japanese people choose games instead of console itself, so the price issue on PS3 is actually a problem. However, consider there are no other console that will have next gen graphics that will interests japanese gamers(sorry xbox), it is logical to predict that PS3 will still be that best seller in Japan, initially, because there's Wii.

I think, most polls of PS3 vs Wii seem to be toward to Wii which is very logical consider the success of DS in Japan and its price, but however, it's very wrong to think the "mainstream(sp?) gamers" will purchase Wii as their first next-gen console.

There are actually no problems with PS3 to be sold out at first week in my opinion consider PS3 will probably have the largest library again, new online capability etc, however the only trouble is, the price.

One major thing which seems not worth discussing about but actually imo will effect the japanese market very much more than you could imagine imo, that is the Connectivity of PS3. Because untill now there's nearly "no" connectivity from consoles(again, sorry xbox..), and everyone knows better than me on PS2.

People have to realize one thing, no matter PS3 is purchased as a media pc, game console, or even just some decoration you wanna have in your living room, it's something what you are using while sitting in your sofa drinking soda. Using the DS vs PSP analogy is really not a good idea, but most people tend to use the analogy since the hardware situations are very simular for both. However in fact, Sony has shown the graph indicated that the large majority of psp actually play their psp in their house when it's some you play anywhere but your house.. So this really makes me believe in Japan, PS3 is going to be a solid system, no matter as a internet hub, media pc, or just game console.

♪

Sorry if I had grammar mistakes.

P.S. I still believe Wii will sell the most at the end simply because it's targeting at different market.

makeitlookreal

06-07-2006, 10:38 AM

Reading that translation really did give me a *bad* headache. Basically, this is what I get from it and my prediction about the PS3.

If Sony is going to try and give PCs a run for their money with the PS3 it has to be able to keep up with them in terms of processing power, memory, HDD, and other features. PCs are constantly improving and growing in power and so will the PS3. From the start there will probably be some upgrades you can perform yourself such as certainly a larger HDD and perhaps even RAM. In the years that follow additional verses of the PS3 will go on sale that perhaps have a faster or revised Cell chip, bigger HDD, more memory, and maybe even a faster Blu-ray drive.

However, when it comes to console games for the PS3 they will be limited to the power of the PS3's specifications when it launches. Whatever specs we see this November will be the console gaming specs for the PS3 from now until the PS4 launches.

Here is a prediction. The launch PS3 will be significantly more powerful than we realize right now. I believe there will be a few small mhz bumps (at most to 4GHZ) for the cell, a few features thrown in we know nothing about, and most importantly the RSX will be a truly custom chip. We all know the RSX is based on the 7800 or 7900. I think it will be *based* on the NVIDIA chip. But I think Sony has some hardware they are going to integrate into the chip to make it much more powerful than what we officially know today.

A secondary prediction is that it will get a RAM boost of at least some ammount.

Basically, Sony wants the PS3 to be the ultimate gaming console and be able to stand up against high end PCs. For that to be the case, even at launch, the PS3 needs to be a little more than what we know it is right now.

More and more it seems Sony is truly betting the farm on the PS3, and I think they are saving a few surprises for the world.

Viano

06-07-2006, 10:45 AM

Basically, Sony wants the PS3 to be the ultimate gaming console and be able to stand up against high end PCs. For that to be the case, even at launch, the PS3 needs to be a little more than what we know it is right now.

PS3 is not there yet, instead it's a strategy and step approaching it.

chrismt

06-07-2006, 11:17 AM

Well I wasn't going for the ultimate gaming rig in terms of gaming itself, but in terms of an ultimate machine. With the PC, there is a certain point where improving it doesn't provide extremely noticable/amazing quality jump in games, and anything after that is future proofing it or using the PC for other extremely intensive applications (rendering).

There are differences, but getting a 120fps instead of 80fps speed on a game isn't going to affect your playing of a game much. Yes, later games require more of systems in the PC cycle, but you can also say console games always improve in quality with time, similar to PC games.

With the PS3, the lowest common denominator will always have to be catered to in terms of game quality, with load times possibly being the only things revised by different hardware configurations. Anything after that is and would be used for different purposes.

Homebrew PS3 developers will of course want the most hardware to work with if they are wanting to create intricate games, those into having as many background services and browser tabs open as possible would want to increase the RAM, those into ripping DVDs or downloading video will want more RAM and a much larger HDD, etc...

Sony seems intent on bringing freedom and creativity in with the PS3. I only hope they allow most of it to occur rather than stifling it through heavy use of DRM, closed system specifications, limited software options, etc...similar to the road MS is going with the 360 at the moment.

Viano

06-07-2006, 11:21 AM

I kinda want to know if this is part of Linux' strategy..

overclocked

06-07-2006, 11:29 AM

Actually there are different kind of fanboysm or likesome toward to console in Japan. Most of japanese people choose games instead of console itself, so the price issue on PS3 is actually a problem. However, consider there are no other console that will have next gen graphics that will interests japanese gamers(sorry xbox), it is logical to predict that PS3 will still be that best seller in Japan, initially, because there's Wii.

I think, most polls of PS3 vs Wii seem to be toward to Wii which is very logical consider the success of DS in Japan and its price, but however, it's very wrong to think the "mainstream(sp?) gamers" will purchase Wii as their first next-gen console.

There are actually no problems with PS3 to be sold out at first week in my opinion consider PS3 will probably have the largest library again, new online capability etc, however the only trouble is, the price.

One major thing which seems not worth discussing about but actually imo will effect the japanese market very much more than you could imagine imo, that is the Connectivity of PS3. Because untill now there's nearly "no" connectivity from consoles(again, sorry xbox..), and everyone knows better than me on PS2.

People have to realize one thing, no matter PS3 is purchased as a media pc, game console, or even just some decoration you wanna have in your living room, it's something what you are using while sitting in your sofa drinking soda. Using the DS vs PSP analogy is really not a good idea, but most people tend to use the analogy since the hardware situations are very simular for both. However in fact, Sony has shown the graph indicated that the large majority of psp actually play their psp in their house when it's some you play anywhere but your house.. So this really makes me believe in Japan, PS3 is going to be a solid system, no matter as a internet hub, media pc, or just game console.

♪

Sorry if I had grammar mistakes.

P.S. I still believe Wii will sell the most at the end simply because it's targeting at different market.

Grammar mistakes, look at my posts hehe and your pretty safe! :thumbl:
The thing about PSP is my feeling also, its "my" little home console.
Maybe it will change when price goes down more but for me the connectivity is a really strong point for me.

I think Sony has grown more for me because their own studios have shown such tremendous capacity.

Saibo

06-07-2006, 12:06 PM

I wouldn't say having different configuration is that important if you already have a PS3. However, what he stated is indeed truely important on the penetration of the none gaming softeware on PS3.

"It's one ambitious Hub" That's all I can say.

Actually different config. is a huge saling point for me to buy a new PS3 in the future. I would love to have 2-4 GB of ram on the PS3 for indy game development and other things. This interview just further solidify KK past comment about the PS3 being a computer (even though you cant upgrade,at least you can buy a higher specs PS3 for game development,3DCG software, 3D rendering,etc). :thumbl:

I just want to see some Linux OS screen shots now :P

+rep

Viano

06-07-2006, 12:32 PM

Actually different config. is a huge saling point for me to buy a new PS3 in the future. I would love to have 2-4 GB of ram on the PS3 for indy game development and other things. This interview just further solidify KK past comment about the PS3 being a computer (even though you cant upgrade,at least you can buy a higher specs PS3 for game development,3DCG software, 3D rendering,etc). :thumbl:

I just want to see some Linux OS screen shots now :P

thx,
and yes, finally there's a reason to collect all three colours...

Saibo

06-07-2006, 12:47 PM

thx,
and yes, finally there's a reason to collect all three colours...

Are you sure, you dont work for Sony? :P <spy>! Colored isnt important, only specs.

edit, 2 GB of ram is minium, i would like to have 8-16 GB of ram for the kind of work i do.. :shocked:

xbdestroya

06-07-2006, 03:00 PM

Are you sure, you dont work for Sony? :P <spy>! Colored isnt important, only specs.

edit, 2 GB of ram is minium, i would like to have 8-16 GB of ram for the kind of work i do.. :shocked:

Saibo Sony has indicated that chip clockspeeds and RAM amounts won't change going forward in different models, so I wouldn't hold out unless they actually at some point *do* release a workstation equivalent.

If it gets to that point of mainstream popularity though, I think that formal workstations will become available before PS3 fills that role.

@Viano: Love the 'home market' insights! :smoke:

Sephiroth_VII

06-07-2006, 03:57 PM

Viano

06-07-2006, 04:17 PM

Consider the possibilities that were done on psp what do you think Lunix on PS3 will do?

I wonder if there will be a default messenger from Sony.

lshian

06-07-2006, 04:47 PM

I think the the devs will follow the present PS3 specs. Even though we upgraped the PS3 to 2 gigs rams or 4ghz of cell or bunchs of cells. Unless the PS4 announed the devs will follows the news specs, just work like the Amiga.

Nameless

06-07-2006, 04:54 PM

GTShotoKen

06-07-2006, 04:54 PM

If done the right way, I cold easily imagine that in a few yeas, I'd be able to go and annd purchase a 4.2 GHz cell, 2 extra gigs of RAM, a new HDD adn a 16x blu-ray-drive.

Imagine the possibilities!!!!

I wonder if an upgrade like that would come in handy if people started making custom content for PS3's (like mods)?

Sephiroth_VII

06-07-2006, 05:13 PM

I'm thinking about linux. From what we know, it'll be a very open enviroment, though it won't be able to access most of the Flash memory, where things such as security, the XMB and anti-piracy will be installed.

Viano

06-07-2006, 05:25 PM

I think all of this is wishful thinking...
Look at the PSP, Home BREW increased piracy and this issue was addressed with firmware updates on the OS.

Sony has no intentions of allowing users to run custom software or emulators on the console. If the platform is too open it creates opportunities for piracy.
It's unfortunate that people exploit any opportunity they get, because it would be cool if the PS3 was more open...

Also, if you think Sony wants end users to start cracking open their consoles to upgrade the RAM or processor you are dreaming... Perhaps Sony will release updated versions, but I doubt there will be any significant hardware upgrades, because this would alienate the early adopters.
Personally I would be pissed if Sony released a PS3 later down the road with a faster Blu-ray drive, faster cell or more RAM. I plan to purchase the console at launch and will be paying a premium as a result and would hate to be punished from a pricing and hardware perspective for being an early adopter. Sony will need to approach this area very carefully; you don't want to upset the hardcore audience, because this group is the most loyal...

It might just be the workstation xb mentioned and games will be running at the same condition so it won't effect gaming at all actually.

I think this is still far from happening but I never consider which is premium nor core myself. As a game console for gamers yes it's a good way to define each configuration that way, but Sony is obvious having plans for none gaming community as well, though it's still early to judge at the time, I'd say everything is possible, includes nothing.

I personally think this is really the shifting between generations, and is something should be excited about. loL♪

Viano

06-07-2006, 05:45 PM

I wonder if an upgrade like that would come in handy if people started making custom content for PS3's (like mods)?

I think many people have kinda misunderstood the concept behind this(♪)。
First of all, customization on PS3 doesn't really change anything since the games will be running at basic configuration, so that's something can't be done is PS3 era imo. So the hardware updates are really just the different versions of PS3 in future, maybe a workstation or something.

However, there are factors such as technical difficulties on piracy, or the approaches for different versions etc.. Though I don't have much knowledge on softwares I still think the penetration of the softwares will be the main factor that determines whether there will be a different version of PS3 or not in future. Because I really don't see any point having a 1G RAM PS3 and a 512mRAM PS3 on the shelves.. There should be some major differences.
Or maybe the new PS3 will be upgradable...?!jk; p♪

Things K.K. stated as his vision are mostly true, it's just the matters of time during the shifting, and they are often unpredictable(yeah and screw analysts)

GTShotoKen

06-07-2006, 06:09 PM

I think many people have kinda misunderstood the concept behind this(♪)。
First of all, customization on PS3 doesn't really change anything since the games will be running at basic configuration, so that's something can't be done is PS3 era imo. So the hardware updates are really just the different versions of PS3 in future, maybe a workstation or something.

However, there are factors such as technical difficulties on piracy, or the approaches for different versions etc.. Though I don't have much knowledge on softwares I still think the penetration of the softwares will be the main factor that determines whether there will be a different version of PS3 or not in future. Because I really don't see any point having a 1G RAM PS3 and a 512mRAM PS3 on the shelves.. There should be some major differences.
Or maybe the new PS3 will be upgradable...?!jk; p♪

Things K.K. stated as his vision are mostly true, it's just the matters of time during the shifting, and they are often unpredictable(yeah and screw analysts)

That's why I specifically stated MOD's.

More specifically, user created content.

We will have an operating system on there so I thought the possibilities would open up quite a bit.

Viper

06-07-2006, 06:43 PM

Internal upgrades leads to whole new problems for devs and to us end users it sounds nice to be able to do that but is a marketing, logistic and possibly a development nightmare. Pissing your fans off is one thing but pissing off your dev, pubs and retailers is next to impossible to overcome (right Nintendo?).

What I see most probable is a seperate workstation but I believe it will be more CELL centric and not really PS3 centric.

Nodieza

06-07-2006, 08:20 PM

Viper

06-07-2006, 08:36 PM

xone_4

06-07-2006, 09:12 PM

i think the best way to extend the nearly saturated gamer based market is to put a heavy computing-work centered applications on a powerful gaming machine to capture the interest of un-interested people so KK is right about saying the PS3 is a computer.

chrismt

06-07-2006, 09:15 PM

Well, that's why they would always develop for the lowest end PS3, and allow further internal upgrades to only affect the system outside of games.

LinpinWangyFoot

06-07-2006, 09:29 PM

Actually there are different kind of fanboysm or likesome toward to console in Japan. Most of japanese people choose games instead of console itself, so the price issue on PS3 is actually a problem. However, consider there are no other console that will have next gen graphics that will interests japanese gamers(sorry xbox), it is logical to predict that PS3 will still be that best seller in Japan, initially, because there's Wii.

I think, most polls of PS3 vs Wii seem to be toward to Wii which is very logical consider the success of DS in Japan and its price, but however, it's very wrong to think the "mainstream(sp?) gamers" will purchase Wii as their first next-gen console.

There are actually no problems with PS3 to be sold out at first week in my opinion consider PS3 will probably have the largest library again, new online capability etc, however the only trouble is, the price.

One major thing which seems not worth discussing about but actually imo will effect the japanese market very much more than you could imagine imo, that is the Connectivity of PS3. Because untill now there's nearly "no" connectivity from consoles(again, sorry xbox..), and everyone knows better than me on PS2.

People have to realize one thing, no matter PS3 is purchased as a media pc, game console, or even just some decoration you wanna have in your living room, it's something what you are using while sitting in your sofa drinking soda. Using the DS vs PSP analogy is really not a good idea, but most people tend to use the analogy since the hardware situations are very simular for both. However in fact, Sony has shown the graph indicated that the large majority of psp actually play their psp in their house when it's some you play anywhere but your house.. So this really makes me believe in Japan, PS3 is going to be a solid system, no matter as a internet hub, media pc, or just game console.

♪

Sorry if I had grammar mistakes.

P.S. I still believe Wii will sell the most at the end simply because it's targeting at different market.

nothing wrong with your grammer as far as i'm concerned! its absolutely fasinating to see your views Viano. we in the west are ignorant of so many things and i think japan lead the way in games. your opinions are always phillisophical as is japan. i'm a lover of zen and budhism and i believe its because of these superior beliefs that Sony do so well. keep giving us your insights please i'm loving them.

Nodieza

06-07-2006, 09:50 PM

Nintendo dealt with that one to a degree with some N64 games. Remember the 4MB RAM pack? Some games would run in higher resoltuion, others would open up more features and a few simple wouldn't run without it. Thankfully a few games came with the pack but I don't see that happeneing again. Besides, there doesn't seem to be an expansions ports for stuff like that on the PS3 so I appears Sony is not going that route.

A workstation is something I can almost guarantee happening at some point.

Yeah I was upset when I couldn't play Perfect Dark fully without the 4MB pack :cry2:

Who knew I would miss out on such a great shooter for months, then my friend bought the pack and Perfect Dark and we were amazed. :guns:

I really don't want that to happen this gen.

Viper or anyone else, do you think you could list a few things a workstation would be good for? Just a few. Thanks

Peace

yoshaw

06-07-2006, 11:19 PM

An excellent(times million) ENGLISH translation by ONE from B3D. He's awesome!!!

Once again Hiroshige Goto conducted an interview with Ken Kutaragi and apparently this is the first segment in this new interview series. In this segment there are no revelations or new factoids but just confirmations, hopefully the following segments will contain interesting parts. Now this is my quick translation, here goes.

PLAYSTATION 3 evolves because it's a computer

Hiroshige Goto: SCEI have always been saying PLAYSTATION 3 (PS3) is not a game console but a computer. In that sense, I'd thought that it's the important point for PS3 to become a computer whether it comes with HDD standard. But it had not been made clear for a while about the standard HDD. It seems it finally reached the standard HDD through all twists and turns since 2005.

Ken Kutaragi: In my heart it was decided that we want to include HDD as the standard. However, there were various problems such as economic reasons, and we might have not been able to secure enough 2.5inch drives. An HDD-less version might have been planned. In that case it completely becomes a game console, but we want to do a computer.

With these matters, we needed resolution even though we decided to include HDD.

HG: For a game console HDD is an economic pressure. Unlike semiconductor chips HDD cost doesn't decrease. So it becomes 40-50$ cost-up through a life cycle of a game console. Though in the case of a game console its price is lowerd to $100-$200, it becomes difficult with HDD as the standard. Does it mean PS3 doesn't take a price model like a game console?

KK: After all, we don't say it's a game console (laugh) PS3 is clearly a computer unlike PSs of so far.

Obviously we have to make it a mature hardware to a certain degree to reduce the cost when we look at it as a game console. As the methodology, we have been doing cost reduction such as chip integration and power-supply reduction. Naturally we'll do the same thing for PS3.

However, as PS3 is a computer, (not only reducing the cost) but also wants to evolve. We'll want to upgrade the HDD size very soon, if new standards appear in PC we will want to support them. We may want the BD drive to write. Well, BD may not become like that though.

The meaning in that it's not a model but a configuration

HG: Since PS3 is a computer it's not bound by the limitation of the price and cost models of a game console. Is this the reason why it has HDD as the standard which is required for a computer and its hardware evolves?

KK: It's a computer not only in HDD but in the point that it fully adopted standard formats. The interface was PlayStation-only memory card slot in the past. But PS3 has only PC standard slots.

Since they are standards, of course the interfaces are open. We control no standards. You can be free because it's a computer. Also HDD can be easily upgradable for a person who can play with PC.

HG: Game consoles fix their hardware specs through their life cycles. But PS3 seems to approximate to PC in that it can change its configuration flexibly.

KK: Since PS3 is a computer there are no "models" but "configurations". This time we try to make it clear. May as well release BTO (built-to-order) list if possible (laugh) Well, but if we do it the distribution will be confused. But, with PS3, we can do BTO if we want.

HG: In an old interview you said there's no hardware called PS3 but only a meta-format. Is it possible for PS3 to do hardware configuation as long as it has the spec enough to run softwares of a certain profile?

KK: That's right. So every configuration is PS3.

HG: Is it planned that it extends its spec every year like PC?

KK: I think it's okay to release a (extended) configuration every year (laugh). Though I say it like a joke, Dell will do it and Apple will do it too. In PC, if you fix (the spec) for 2 years you'll be catched up. Computers should be changing, right? It's inevitable that 60GB (HDD) will become short, memory may become short too. There are many possibilities.

HG: Is it possible that a PS3 configuration with augmented computing power that exceeds the spec to run the PS3 game meta-format appears?

KK: Yes. If what you want to do increases, it's natural. Of course, it depends on how far what you want to do goes though.

The first party showed the PS3 title standard at E3

HG: At E3 first-party titles in development were playable, which had an impact.

KK: Advance forcasts said something like "there'll be no playable games" (laugh). No one expected that many playable games. At least, they wouldn't think playable games reached that level.

Generally speaking, a first-party should not stick out, but we showed the broad range since it's our responsibility. We have the responsibility to show the standard first.

In the days of PlayStation 1 there were arcade games at the top as the standard softwares. So SEGA and Namco that could port arcade games were strong. Games were made with arcade games as the standard.

But, this time I think PS3 excels all standards. Because of that, we thought they can't aim where they should go unless we show the standard with confidence. As the responsibility of the first party, we have to show it not only in the platform but also in softwares and other parts. The standard is like this even months before the release. Until the PS3 release in November it evolves further and further. I think it could become a kind of the standard.

HG: Relatively third parties were not noticeable. It seems there's a wide gap between the first party and third parties this time.

KK: For better or worse E3 was full of the first party. After all, they know the hardware well in the company and there is a horizontal connection in the SCEI global studio. For this event we created the demo to share various information, engines, and know-how.

Until then our studios are a conglomerate of studios which stick to (SCEI organizational) regions. About half a year before, including Harrison (Phil Harrison, President, Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios) and Yamauchi (Kazunori Yamauchi, President, Polyphony Digital), we combined studios. They went offsite often, and as for E3 all studios exchanged one another and discussed everything. So it became like that.

We want top guns to show their skill on PS3

HG: The computing power of PS3 Cell far exceeds PC. Though it depends on the kind of computing, its processing performance is outstanding. But its programming model is complicated and the hurdle is high. It seems third-party develpers polarize between those who can't handle Cell and those who are very excited about Cell.

KK: Even at the time of PlayStation 1 those who were into 2D graphics were like "we can't handle PlayStation, I can't understand what it does, but it's OK as it has the library."

It's no doubt that game consoles are becoming computers today. As the result (programming) becomes different from so far. It's strange that they say it's hard to create a software when the processing performance of a game console gets higher. Nobody says he/she can't create a software because clockspeed, memory and HDD of PC get better and heavier. We want top gun (programmers) to show their skill on PS3.

HG: For now actually, developments on PS3 rely on programmers' talents and efforts. There are not yet enough libraries and middlewares to lessen the burden on developers.

KK: We continue to add middlewares. But, actually, middleware is too much for one and not enough for two. It's been always like that. It's not always true that relying on a middleware makes a good game. At least in PS3, it becomes disastrous if you don't know where to use middlewares and where to be careful.

HG: Microsoft try to realize the programming framework which was successful on PC on a game console too. They are adding standardized socket APIs on the OS.

KK: Since Microsoft is coming from PC, they say things are like that in the world of PC. But, if I look at it, I think it has no evolution.

HG: In the previous console generation, the directions of SCEI, Microsoft, Nintendo, these 3 companies were different but the difference was not so big. But, this time 3 companies turn to completely different directions. There are dramatic differences.

KK: Isn't it good if it can energize the market? If they say the same things they'll end up killing each other.

jaxmkii

06-08-2006, 12:49 AM

If done the right way, I cold easily imagine that in a few yeas, I'd be able to go and annd purchase a 4.2 GHz cell, 2 extra gigs of RAM, a new HDD adn a 16x blu-ray-drive.

Imagine the possibilities!!!!
Excelent can't wait to runn some hard core enginering software:wank:

Nameless

06-08-2006, 03:51 AM

Excelent can't wait to runn some hard core enginering software:wank:
LOL!
I can't wait to write term papers and create spreadsheets with my spanking new PS3... I still think people are missing the point the PS3 is targeting the media center pc market.:shrug:

rpgamer_2k5

06-08-2006, 04:09 AM

This would mean that the standard-PS3 games running on the hig-end PS3s will receive higher resolutions, framerates, AA, etc. Sure developers won't design the games for the higher-end PS3s but those who have a 4.2Ghz Cell, 4GB RAM, etc would at least get to enjoy better visuals like PC gamers who are on monster rigs. For that reason, I would definitely go for the higher end PS3s. :)

My dream PS3+
4.2Ghz Cell
4GB RAM
1Ghz RSX
1TB HDD
16X BDRW Drive

xbdestroya

06-08-2006, 04:09 AM

Saibo

06-08-2006, 04:26 AM

Saibo Sony has indicated that chip clockspeeds and RAM amounts won't change going forward in different models, so I wouldn't hold out unless they actually at some point *do* release a workstation equivalent.

If it gets to that point of mainstream popularity though, I think that formal workstations will become available before PS3 fills that role.

@Viano: Love the 'home market' insights! :smoke:

According to the article translated by "One" it seem ram amount might get a boost(CPU clockspeed isnt important to me,not yet at least). But inthe end it'll still be call a PS3, just with different configuration.

But yeah, its too early to say its going on happen, but hopefully it does :D

I really wish he(or someone at Sony would release some Linux screen shots!!!).Afterall this is one in series of interviews with KK..show us some pictures.

Raijin

06-08-2006, 04:48 AM

The amount of ram might be up a bit but It wont be for games.

Saibo

06-08-2006, 04:54 AM

The amount of ram might be up a bit but It wont be for games.

that would be stating the obvious :P i need more ram in the PS3 to use as a computer..not for games. As one person mention, "modding" would be cool..but you'll need more ram 1-2 GB to create a content for different engine.

Seems like some people are confused as to why some of us want higher spec PS3. We're totally ready for the second coming of the Amiga :afro: The whole BTO stuff KK mention as to do with the PS3 as a computer not as a game machine. officail game developers well target the minium spec PS3(512 ram, 3 GH cell, RSX) for all game developerment.

i dont think its going to be "abit" it would be higher 1-2 GB for starter and later on get higher depending on the need.

Viano

06-08-2006, 09:20 AM

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0608/kaigai277.htm

anyone mind using google translate this for me? Just found the 2nd part of the interview and I need to do violin lesson right now.

- Business model is remained as a game console.

- PS3 will can be sold at $2000 without problem if it has the Apple logo on it.

- PS3 will be changed(the image of it I think) once got into our daily lives

- The vision of SCEI is close to the Apple right now.

Crazyness, indeed exciting.

♪

Garfunkel

06-08-2006, 10:37 AM

wooden health person

?????????

that translation is truly horrifying

makeitlookreal

06-08-2006, 11:40 AM

I do not find this complicated at all.

When the PS3 launches it will have the first configuration of specifications. For PS3 console games these will be the FINAL specifications. In the future you might be able to buy a better PS3 with more RAM, a fast or revised CPU, and perhaps all sorts of features. But when it comes to playing PS3 games every single game will utilize the FIRST configuration. Every PS3 game will look exactly the same on every system.

I am not a computer expert, but it seems to me there should be an easy way to automatically limit the PS3's performance when a console game is put into it. That way no one will complain that they should have waited longer to get their PS3, etc. If the PS3 only has 1 GIG of RAM at launch (as an example) then games will only be able to use 1 GIG five years from now even if by then you can upgrade to 4 GIGS.

However, in the NON PS3 computer mode I am sure you could make games, purchase games, or design games that utilize *all* the resources of the PS3. But these would NOT be "PS3 console" games and would be utilizing the "PC" nature of the PS3.

There is a clear difference.

These upgrades are going to really help extend the life of the PS3, make it more useful for many, many people, and of course be what eventually leads to the PS4.

Probably in about 8 years or so after there are six different models available that you can even upgrade on your own Sony will then release a VERY different model that takes another huge LEAP. Perhaps instead of the typical 5GHZ 45nm Cell Chip it will utilize four of them in a Broad Band Engine and Holographic Data Storage!

This would for example be the PS5 and all playstation *console games" for the PS5 would use THESE SPECIFICATIONS until the PS6.

Chrome

06-08-2006, 11:46 AM

It's hard to know what to say - I think Kutaragi is a visionary for sure... in this article he seems to be thinking out loud to an extent. At least, I honestly hope so, because this high-risk stuff here from a business standpoint.

It does look like PS3 might turn out to be the modern Amiga however. At the same time, is the present era ready for another Amiga?

Well whatever! We'll see how it plays out. :smoke:

I loved the Amiga, getting around the Cell+RSX could be described as the new Blitter Graphic Chip. The day's of truely bedroom programmers could be here once again, in the UK there are still alot of programmers who grew up coding on the Spectrum, Acorn Electron/BBC Model B, and Amiga who still have fond memories of those times. Thats part of the vision I see the PS3 achieving personally, get everyone thats intrested in programming for the Cell and you'll be doing alot for the future. Some of the best coder's esp. asm were at one time demo coder's and other questionable code Manipulator's. I love vision personally and welcome it.

The speed at which the homebrew coders have got around the PSP's Media Engine has given me alot of faith in the younger generations.

Viano

06-08-2006, 12:47 PM

Interview Second part google translation.

Hisashi Yokishi = KK ..

- The business model changes from the game machine in PS3.
【Q】 The reaction of PLAYSTATION 3(PS3) to the price announced with E3 is interesting. It is still cheap though the person of the game industry says that he or she is high when seeing from PC. However, because a lot of users see as a game machine, the sense of resistance is very strong.
【 Hisashi Yokishi 】 PS3 is overwhelming as the consumer electronic after seeing easily. However, whether PS2 is bought becomes a said story seeing as a game machine. There must be an object "See as **" there. However, it is and it doesn't disregard it in PS3. We have already thought PS3 to be PS3.
【Q】 Does not it become a computer if not coming off the price and the business model of the game machine?
Hisashi Yokishi that hangs out controller of PS3
【 Hisashi Yokishi 】The model of the game (business) is contents and a hard business. When another one was added, the age of Nintendo was a royalty. However, our messages in this PS3 are clear. Hardware..business..do.
【Q】 May I think so?The game machine has taken away the business model by whom it doesn't traditionally rely on a profit of a hard unit alone. However, the model doesn't consist when PS3 is had to be used as a computer. If the business cannot be done by raising a hard, enough profit, software on the computer cannot be raised. Therefore, the profit of hardness understands to a very limit price model like the game machine that it cannot do.
【 Hisashi Yokishi 】Yes. It changes in the business model in PS3. (When becoming a computer. )The business model (the hard loss and the balance by the royalty) doesn't consist. I want you to be ..person of Top Gun (programmer).. spirited of your arm on that the gunman all sharing the computer named PS3.
【Q】 Of course, SCEI is seen a model hybrid because contents of PS3 are continued though it is near the dawn of PC.
【 Hisashi Yokishi 】It proposes and we are us of happy software in PS3. When it is possible to take it to service, it is the best. Then, the business is done.
【Q】 When the business is done basically hard, and service wants to do the business in addition by you if it is ..software other than the game and the game.. possible.
【 Hisashi Yokishi 】Only that has put out contents to us (Even PS2 :). Because the third party thinks that it is a match of contents in the meaning of making interesting contents from everyone because it doesn't obstruct it.
- It sells even for 2,000 dollars if Apple sells PS3.
【Q】 It is extremely difficult to break the concept "Price of the game machine". Because the user has become accustomed to the price (299 dollars and 199 dollars) up to now and is familiar.
【 Hisashi Yokishi 】 Jobs(Mr. Steve Jobs. CEO, Apple Computer)However (To PS3), I think that it says it is good if the logo of Apple is applied (The user :) even for 2,000 dollars. However, it cannot be done by the PLAYSTATION brand. It might be a difference on the computer of the PLAYSTATION brand and the Apple brand. However, because PS3 is PLAYSTATION brand, I think that it sells as PLAYSTATION.
【Q】 The message should be typed out to look as not the game machine but a computer named PS3 to come off the model of the game machine, and to approach Apple.

PLAYSTATION to the pronoun of the entertainment computer
【 Hisashi Yokishi 】So. Therefore, PS3 is pushed out. I want to do by becoming of PLAYSTATION the pronoun.
【Q】 When there is no PlayStation as one of the game machines but the pronoun of the entertainment computer is PLAYSTATIONed.
【 Hisashi Yokishi 】I wanted to put the PS3 sale of Linux from the first day.
However, it is not important that it is Linux. (In PS3. )Base..up..the..nature..provide..put.However, OS is not a problem any longer. In PS3, because OS is the one like the application.
The Jobs of Apple also said the same thing to interest. Jobs thinks that it said the content that OS is and is natural and important the coming one that is only the application on Macintosh of Windows. Obviously, importance is software, a platform, and service.
【Q】 The idea of binding with OS like the Windows model when there is a virtual machine is old, and when someone might develop even OS, :.
【 Hisashi Yokishi 】By chance, OS for ..Cell native.. Han more thinks that it might come out.

- It changes when PS3 enters daily life.

【Q】 It is the applications that become a key as a computer other than the game.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】Maybe (computer of PS3), it changes when how to use it naturally enters everyone's daily life. Everyone begins to turn like being so PC , saying that "Oh" when the people who have the talent develop the surprise (application of PS3)(software development).

【Q】 Does the ecosystem (ecosystem) that software and service gain on hardness begin to turn as much as PC?

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】 Time when Apple was terrible was so. Moscornsentar (convention center of San Francisco) is buried by WWDC (technological of Apple conference). It rises naturally if turning.

【Q】 Software increases without permission if the ecosystem is approved, the charm of PS3 increases, PS3 infiltrates more, and there is a possibility of entering the cycle when more software appears. However, the voice doubted whether ecosystems other than the game consist of PS3 is abundant.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】 PSP becomes one example. The world of Nintendo's DS is good, and PSP is halfway in Japan. However, any PSP comes out by grass roots in the United States and Europe because it has entered the world of the computer. Various software has come out, and accessories etc. also. Therefore, it stops for PSP from SCEI ..putting out even accessories.., and the voice is raised from in-house. And . like Macintosh ..the favor of everyone.. ..putting out... I want you also for PS3 to become it so.

【Q】 Does the person who makes software and peripherals rise if hardware is interesting?

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】 (The programming :. )It is likely to become a nature "", and it is likely to see it if it really has the talent if said it is difficult.

【Q】 It is necessary to offer necessary information, the environment, and these kind of things of the library to make it to foundation where a programming open can be done.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】Therefore, Cell also opens the standard, and it asks the Barcelona university (supercomputing center) for the hosting. Harrison(Mr. Phil Harrison. President, Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios)However, it was said that Mr. middleware manufacturer who had done contact would go up to hundreds of companies. When such people begin to move Barbary, it is interesting. And, java moves unabashedly, too.

【Q】 It is not bound by the native instruction set of CPU when making it to virtual like java in the upper layer. For instance, is not run time to compile java directly to the instruction set of SPE(Synergistic Processor Element) of Cell made?

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】Well, sequentially because you should make software than it. You should sell millions of making software when saying managing it. There is no gunman in it (software development) it is. They in the world of the computer might do such a person.

【Q】 Is not such development requested to Transmeta?They are the specialists.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】 Transmeta also has the person so much. A greatly important thing of lowering the electric power to them is done.

- It is Apple today the neighborhood to the vision of SCEI.

【Q】 The computing power of Cell is made use of to differentiate, and the application only of PS3 is necessary with PC that is the computer. PS3 as the computerWhen looking, the nonliner edit system etc. of the HD video had been enumerated before.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】 The nonliner edit system of HD was put out to "NAB (The National Association of Broadcasters: event of the broadcasting equipment industry in the United States)" in front of E3. It is an edit system of the HD video based on Cell. The delivery and the transformer code had been done from Cell to the projector like type and 4k2k of going to the front before it went out to NAB by various formats. This was great, famous, and Furukawa of former Microsoft wrote "It was surprised by coming off of the jaw" in Brog. It is not so becoming natural.

【Q】 Are SCEI and the development of such non-game application continued by the background of the game platform development?

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】It is terribly interested.

【Q】 It is seen to compete by the PS3 vision of SCEI like Apple.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】 It is Apple that visions are personally nearer than Microsoft. However, it is happy oppositely there to be saying as the competition at the same.

【Q】 However, in the possibility to come to actually compete with the Apple product in the future at home there if PS3 is a computer.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】Certainly, the future is not understood though it is not rival for the present. Because it will not be only a music player that aims naturally if it becomes 2007 or 8 years, and the result to which Apple is done the collaboration as Intel opens the flower.

【Q】 A fatty area of entertainment computer at home might be soaked.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】Yes. Jobs thinks that it surely likes computers. Then, the vision comes in succession naturally.

- Interview explanation

"Game machine" of PS3 is high-priced. 59,800 yen (It is 62,790 yen excluding tax and including tax) in Japan is called the configuration equipped with 20GB HDD of a minimum spec 70,000 middle yen level though 60GB HDD configuration of a full spec is an open price. It is not "Price that father can readily buy" in usual home like current game machine

However, the price of PS3 that the discussion is a lot of is inevitably derived from the strategy of PS3. When PS3 is sold as a computer, it is necessary to sell it to be brief by a price that is higher than the standard of the game machine. It is because the business model of the game machine doesn't function. If the opposite is said, PS3 cannot become a computer as long as this price is not set. It is because the business model is different on the computer such as traditional game machines and PC.

The more unbelievable, the cheaper a traditional game machine is if it sees from the PC industry. It is very cheap compared with the AV equipment. The reason is that the price of the game machine doesn't consist in pure "Accumulation + profit of the part cost". One game machine supplies it almost exclusively. Therefore, the main body of the game machine can be set to run into the black to long-term. When the part cost falls, it only has to be able to compensate.

In addition, the game machine vender traditionally leads the supply of the game title for the game machine. It is possible to gain even in the title sales. The royalty that the software publishing licenses can be expected of another software vender. SCEI lowers the royalty and has changed the model though had heavily relied on this royalty before.

Small profits consist from such circumstances of a usual computer and the AV equipment a hard price of the game machine. As for a hard body, the business model of making to the deficit, and making it to the surplus by the incidental income is set up. Especially, it is not unusual that the game machine sets the start-up to the price that falls below the piling of the cost at times costing much of the part cost. It is because it is necessary to spread the main body of the game machine at a dash, and to press the game development. Beginning to turn a positive spiral that hard → where → title to which hardware spreads becomes complete spread accelerates becomes important.

However, the model of such a traditional game machine is not taken away easily with PS3. It is because of the idea that SCEI raises it as an entertainment computer that runs not the limited machine only to be able to play a game but various applications in PS3. The user who buys PS3 to use it as a computer comes out though it doesn't play a game so much when PS3 succeeds as a computer in an easy reason. Then, the income related to the game goes up and the number of a hard shipment doesn't go up by proportion. Inevitably, if an enough profit is not raised with a hard main body, the management of SCEI becomes painful.

Of course, there can be a model that SCEI earns it by application programs other than the game for PS3. However, when it relies on it, the business model is limited. It is because it is not possible to succeed as a computer if the ecosystem from which the third party is gained in non-game application doesn't begin to turn on PS3. Therefore, it is necessary to set the price a hard main body it so that an enough profit may go up.

To begin with, when curbing costs to make it to the price level of the game machine, the standard equipment of HDD is difficult. The reason for the cost of HDD is that the cost is raised because it doesn't fall like the semiconductor chip for the long term. It doesn't consist easily of a present computing model as a computer if HDD is not put.

Thus, grounds of the model of the price of PS3 are very lucid, and there is an indistinct part, too. What strategy does SCEI take whether for the user to admit the additional value as the computer in PS3 in it for that?The computer is a box of free if there is no software. If value in the part of the computer cannot be shown if PS3 is a price of "Game machine + computer", the person doesn't pay the cost of the amount. SCEI should clearly show it in five months in the future.

overclocked

06-08-2006, 12:58 PM

Ken always thinks out loud, he is rather crazy that way, and thats the way it should be read, dreaming what he wants, however its the market that controls that.

So dont take it word for word cause many of these things is just the reason he will never be at the top spot, he would ruin the company imo.
If you wants to be at the edge and digging new ground all the time you are at a risk of falling very deep.

And im pretty sure Howard Stringer has a tight leash on him just for that reason.

Applefiend

06-08-2006, 01:14 PM

Yo, resident Apple whore in the house.

Heh, that was errrm... an interesting read.

A fatty area of entertainment computer at home might be soaked

Ummm....

So they're saying they want to be more like my beloved Apple, there isn't actually any deal with Apple to sell PS3s as computers or anything like that.

Apple are very into music and video distribution and media hubs and all that gubbins, Sony would like PS3 to be a media hub too no doubt. A real media marketplace, not just one Natasha Beddingfield video online. :)

Sony are very sore at Apple for them taking the walkman from them, so they would like to learn from Apple.

It also seems they'd like PS3 to be the new Mac. Selling people $499 Linux computers that also play games terribly well. Hitting Microsoft where it hurts I like, hitting Apple where it hurts, not so happy about that one. Microsoft are big enough and bad enough to look after themselves. I like Sony, I like Apple, two companies that got where they are because of great ideas and design designs and technology. Oh why must you two fight...

I think the one reason I don't have a Linux machine running at my house is they're really crap for playing games on. With PS3 problem solved...

Evvvvverybody loves Apple now, where were you in 1995... :)

pari

06-08-2006, 02:19 PM

It's hard to know what to say - I think Kutaragi is a visionary for sure... in this article he seems to be thinking out loud to an extent. At least, I honestly hope so, because this high-risk stuff here from a business standpoint.

It does look like PS3 might turn out to be the modern Amiga however. At the same time, is the present era ready for another Amiga?

Well whatever! We'll see how it plays out. :smoke:

XBD, for all the quirkiness of KK and which most people fault him for. Its because of KK we have Playstation. I think Leading the Revolution by Gary Hammel talks about KK.
Its not the personal bias, its more based on the facts. I can say KK is crazy because he pushed so much on the processor side that nobody else would pushed the boundary that much. In that process made programming a nightmare, did anybody ever figure out how to use all the Div in EE?
But poineers are the ones who push the boundary out into the new territory and settlers follow behind the poineers. KK is a poineer.

Applefiend

06-08-2006, 02:38 PM

What they're also saying is...

If you go to the apple store with $2000 you get this:

PowerMac G5
Dual-core 2GHz PowerPC G5 processor
1GHz frontside bus per processor
1MB L2 cache per core
512MB of 533MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-4200)
160GB Serial ATA hard drive
16x SuperDrive (double-layer)
Three open PCI-Express expansion slots
NVIDIA GeForce 6600 LE with 128MB GDDR SDRAM

For $599 you get a machine very similar in spec to that, only with a better video card(Oh please god let it be a better video card. :) ) and a bit less ram and hdd.... $2000 or $599, you choose. If it had an Apple logo on it... You'd pay $2000 for PS3.

It's not as simple as that of course, let's see you run Photoshop on your PS3 matey....

xbdestroya

06-08-2006, 02:58 PM

KK is a pioneer.

I agree with you on that.

rpgamer_2k5

06-08-2006, 03:22 PM

^ RE: Applefiend's post.

It shouldn't be too difficult getting Adobe products to run on the PS3, in fact, Adobe wouldn't have no problems at all distributing their software on PS3. Other software firms that could potentially port their software on the PS3 could include Autodesk, Real, Mozilla, Opera, Netscape, etc. Heck it is even possible for google to become a major player as well. And seeing that Google are going to release their own Linux distribution bundled with their software for the PC, it's likely for Linux PS3 to include the various tools in Google Linux.

I'm going to be a happy man once more information spills out. :)

xbdestroya

06-08-2006, 03:31 PM

I'm going to be a happy man once more information spills out. :)

Well, only if the information is good. ;)

GUNDAMSEED

06-08-2006, 03:46 PM

Man ps3 has me very happy was going to upgrade my pc , but all i do one it is play mame games, d\l anime \muisc and the web . ps3 would able to play all thoses new codecs and such. It's not big deal i do a little bit of programming i would love to get my hands on cell. if later on you buy a ps3 with more ram and such i just give my old one to my dad to watch blu ray movies and web .

xone_4

06-08-2006, 04:01 PM

Here's the second segment of the new Ken Kutaragi interview by Hiroshige Goto. Not sure if this is the end of the interview but this segment is an extension of the previous one and he talks about the price model of PS3 and the strategy.

(The blog entry by an ex-Microsoft VP Toru Furukawa about the behind-closed-door demo of the Cell HD video prototype system at NAB 2006 that appears in the interview is here. Apparently that system had one Cell and one NVIDIA GPU with 4K video buffer, and could play realtime 4,000 QVGA MPEG2 streams simultaneously while clustering small screens in a 3D mosaic on a 4Kx2K digital cinema SXRD projector through SDI.
http://spaces.msn.com/furukawablog/B...714!3406.entry )

In PS3 the business model changes from that of a game console

Hiroshige Goto: As for PLAYSTATION 3(PS3), the reactions to the price announced at E3 have been interesting. People in the game industry say it's expensive, while it's still cheap if you look at it from the PC standpoint. But most users will view it as a game console, the antipathy is very strong.

Ken Kutaragi: PS3 is overwhelmingly cheap if you look at it as a home appliance. But, if you look at it as a game console, you'll be like "well, then I'll buy PS2 instead." In these situations, there are always objects that appear in "if you look at it as something." But for PS3, they should not exist. We already think PS3 is PS3.

HG: Can't it become a computer without getting out of the game console price and business model?

KK: The (business) model of the game consists of contents and hardware business. If there's one more, in the Nintendo days it was royalties. But our message at this time on PS3 is clear. Hardware is hardware (Hardware does its own business).

HG: Can I think like this, traditionally game consoles have been taking the business model that relies on not only the profit from hardware. But, if you want people to use PS3 as a computer, that model does not work. If you can't do business by getting enough profit from hardware you can't grow software on a computer. Therefore you can't take the business model in which the profit from hardware is very thin, which is what I assume.

KK: Yes. In terms of the business model, it changes in PS3. (When it becomes a computer) the business model in which you lose in hardware and balance it by royalties doesn't work. I want people to share the PS3 computer and then want gunmen or top gun (programmers) to show their skill.

HG: It's like the dawning days of PC. However because SCEI also continue PS3 contents, it looks like a hybrid model.

KK: We are going to propose interesting softwares on PS3 by ourselves. It's best if we can take them to services. We'll do business there too.

HG: Basically you do business by hardware, in addition you want to do business by game and non-game software, and if possible by service too.

KK: We released so many contents (on PS2). Without interfering with third parties, in the sense that we create interesting contents together, I think whether we win or not is decided by contents.

If Apple sell PS3 it can be sold even at $2,000

HG: It's extremely difficult to break the concept of "the price of game console". Users have been familiar with prices such as $299 and $199.

KK: If Mr. Jobs (Steve Jobs, CEO, Apple Computer) adds an Apple logo (onto PS3) I think (users) will say it can be sold at $2,000. However it's not possible for the PLAYSTATION brand. That is the difference in the computer world between the PLAYSTATION brand and the Apple brand. Nevertheless I think PS3 can be sold as a PLAYSTATION because PS3 belongs to the PLAYSTATION brand.

HG: To get out of the game console model and approach Apple, you have to show the message that you want people to view it as not a game console but a PS3 computer.

KK: Yes. Therefore we push PS3. We want to go to the degree where PLAYSTATION becomes a pronoun.

HG: You mean, not that PlayStation is one of game consoles, but the pronoun of an entertainment computer becomes PLAYSTATION.

KK: Therefore I wanted to put Linux from the day 1 of the PS3 release.

But it's not important that it's Linux. (In PS3) on the Cell base (Cell OS Hypervisor) you can put Linux and if you will Windows or Tiger (Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger"). But OS itself is not a problem anymore. Because in PS3, an OS is like an application.

What's interesting for me is Mr. Jobs of Apple said the same things. I think Mr. Jobs said Windows is not more than an application on Macintosh, it's normal that an OS is there, then what's really important is what comes on top of that. Clearly what's important is software, platform, and service.

HG: So you think when there is a virtual machine, the philosophy of binding things by an OS like the Windows model is old, and someone may create even an OS.

KK: Perhaps, I think more Cell-native general OS may appear.

PS3 will start to change when it gets in everyday life

HG: The key for a computer is non-game applications.

KK: Probably, the use (of PS3 as a computer) will change when it gets in everyday life of people. If talented people can develop PS3 applications at which everyone is surprised, it will start to run just like PC did.

HG: Do you mean the ecosystem where softwares and services do business on hardwares starts to run like that of PC?

KK: The days when Apple was great were like that. WWDC (Apple technology conference) filled Moscone Center. If it can start to run it will become lively of its own accord.

HG: If an ecosystem is established the number of softwares will increase automatically and the appeal for PS3 will increase, PS3 will pervade further, then it's possible to enter the cycle where more software appear. But many people doubt a non-game ecosystem work on PS3.

KK: PSP is one of examples. In Japan, the world of Nintendo DS is in a good condition and PSP is halfway. But in the US and Europe everything appears on PSP as grassroots because PSP is in the computer realm. Various softwares, and accessories. So we hear even voices from the SCEI internal that propose stopping the release of PSP accessories. It's because they release what they want like Macintosh. I want PS3 to be like that.

HG: Do you mean if the hardware is interesting those who create softwares and accessories become lively?

KK: If it's said that the (programming) is difficult, they'll get stimulated. If they are really talented they can see (what others can't) apparently.

HG: To make it a base where open programming is possible, you have to supply necessary information, environment, and libraries.

KK: So we made Cell an open format and asked Barcelona University (Supercomputing Center) to host it. Harrison (Phil Harrison, President, Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studios) said hundreds of middleware makers are contacting. It's interesting those people start to work intensely. Besides, it can run Java with ease.

HG: If it's virtualized like Java in an upper level it's not bound by a native CPU instruction set. For example, don't you create a runtime that can directly compile Java into the Cell SPE instruction set?

KK: Well, rather, it's better to create softwares first so it's about order in the todo list. In terms of business it's better to sell millions of units by creating softwares. Besides you know there are (software development) gunmen. Such people exist in the world of computer, they may do it.

HG: Don't you request Transmeta to develop it? They are the professionals about it.

KK: Transmeta does not have many personnels. They are doing the far more important thing which is about decreasing the wattage.

What's close to the SCEI vision is current Apple

HG: To differentiate PS3 as a computer from PC which is a computer, it needs an application only possible for PS3 that exploits the computing power of Cell. When I interviewed you before you cited things like non-linear HD video editing.

KK: We showed non-linear HD editing at the NAB (National Association of Broadcasters) event before E3. It's a Cell-based HD video edit system. At a pre-event before NAB we did a demo like serving and transcoding various formats from Cell to a 4K-2K projector. It could get really good feedback and ex-Microsoft Mr. Furukawa wrote he was really surprised in his blog. I think it'll become normal.

HG: Will SCEI continue to develop non-game applications in the background of game platform development?

KK: We are really interested.

HG: It seems Apple competes with the PS3 vision of SCEI.

KK: Rather than Microsoft, it's Apple of which vision is directly close. But, it's not like competition, on the contrary it's pleasant to be in the same place.

HG: But if PS3 is a computer it's possible to compete against future Apple products at home in reality.

KK: Of course, they are not competing now but not sure in future. In 2007 or 2008, when the Apple and Intel collaboration begins to come to fruition, naturally what they target won't be only a music player.

HG: You may clash in the domain of home entertainment computer.

KK: Yes. I think Mr. Jobs likes computer probably. Then, our visions naturally overlap.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31328

EDIT - Put quotes in quotes!!! -xbd

Viper

06-08-2006, 04:07 PM

Kutaragi Details PS3 'Computer' Claim (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3175&Itemid=2)

Ken says some oddball things at times, some with a major touch of arrogance but this quote here just upped my respect for the man.

As for the competition, Kutaragi said that he welcomes the significant differences and strengths of all three platforms.

"I think that if this can make the market and the industry more dynamic, why not? If we we're all doing the same thing, the market would transform into a killing arena--that's not really good, in my opinion."

xone_4

06-08-2006, 04:18 PM

"HG: If an ecosystem is established the number of softwares will increase automatically and the appeal for PS3 will increase, PS3 will pervade further, then it's possible to enter the cycle where more software appear. But many people doubt a non-game ecosystem work on PS3."

as i was thinking that is the way tey gona expand the game industry

Viano

06-08-2006, 05:06 PM

as i was thinking that is the way tey gona expand the game industry

or to merge.

I don't think it will be expending the industry crazy as Wii but it's very good to see things are merging from two opposite directions.

we should be proud to see that, as a humian being, loL.

xone_4

06-08-2006, 05:21 PM

it is 21st century amiga and if sony do it right its gona be the next big thing

even my boss is considering to bay some PS3s for the possibilitys after i printed him these interview.
and he really really hate games

(damn sony got my boss interested, well-done SONY)

bad grammar i know :(

Viano

06-08-2006, 05:29 PM

mine is badder, loL.

I personally think things won't shift as fast as predicted, but it's the matters of time if you understand how it's going to be shifted.

rpgamer_2k5

06-08-2006, 05:52 PM

Well, only if the information is good. ;) Right when that post was made, I realized that the RSX is going to be great! It will be a great game console, and may be an amazing home computer too. :)

xone_4

06-08-2006, 06:08 PM

HAHAHA he say (my BOSS) he want to pre-order 12 ps3 HAHA
and he want me to do it now but i dont know how i pre-order 12 PS3s to be delivered to egypt ?!!

Viano

06-08-2006, 06:10 PM

Right when that post was made, I realized that the RSX is going to be great! It will be a great game console, and may be an amazing home computer too. :)

the best formula to enjoy PS3 is..

1st treat it as a great game console
2nd　drive some cars in GT5 or play MGO while other programers working at the linux programs for PS3

and then you have a nice media pc! happy ending!loL.♪

Viano

06-08-2006, 06:13 PM

HAHAHA he say (my BOSS) he want to pre-order 12 ps3 HAHA
and he want me to do it now but i dont know how i pre-order 12 PS3s to be delivered to egypt ?!!

That's extreme loL.

xone_4

06-08-2006, 06:34 PM

damn i put my self on a trap i cant finde any one taking pre orders and deliver it to egypt and my boss some how got excited "not as usual!" and i dont want him to cool down now :(

man i can have not 1 but 12 Ps3 right on the launch day but i cant pre order it now :(

yoshaw

06-09-2006, 05:50 AM

Bah, nevermind saw the last page ;)

travmas

06-09-2006, 08:52 AM

yoshaw

06-09-2006, 09:55 AM

Now this is probably a really stupid question but I don't know where else to ask it...Now with the PS3 and it's OS..let's say you were playing a game but wanted to look something up on the web browser in the middle of a game..could you pause the game and open up a sub menu of some sort and surf the web and go directly back to the game with ease?? I know ps3 isn't out yet but I am just wondering if anyone can answer my question.

All bulletpoints and info leaks have pointed in that direction. Nothing official has been described about such a feature as it probably is too early to discuss anything OS related from Sony. I suggest wait a few more months before launching into a panic frenzy(j/k, I know u won't).

Remember this. If they don't do this feature then there'll be an industry wide backlash. And following that would be a prompt update of the firmware from Sony that lets us do exactly what you're asking for. lol

We'll be the winners eitherway ;)

Viano

06-09-2006, 02:03 PM

This is it, the graph I was looking for, a very important aspect from KK.

Third part of the interview.

http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0609/kaigai278.htm
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0609/kaigai_01.jpg
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0609/kaigai_02.jpg
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0609/kaigai_03.jpg
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0609/kaigai_04.jpg

No need to explain anything, just look at the graph.
The solid vision will turn into reality.

HY=KK

Sony computer entertainment that began to accelerate to PLAYSTATION 3(PS3) sale finally (SCEII). However, the strategy of entertainment computer PS3 that makes a clear distinction is difficult to say to still infiltrate as a past game machine.

I asked Hisashi Yokiken of President and Representative Director and group CEO that
commanded this company for the strategy and the vision of PS3.

- Network entertainment plan of seven years

【Q】 ..PLAYSTATION 3(PS3).. network it understands though it is not emphasized so much. You showed the "e-Distribution" plan to which a variety of entertainment contents were delivered through a broadband network by "Microprocessor Forum(MPF)" that had been opened with Sun US Noze in year of the '99. It has become PS3, and, at last, it seems to have approached the vision at that time.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】At last,Really, at last. It is not possible to have done though I wanted to do at that time (PlayStation 2) in reality.

E-Distribution was reactive "State what it" in the United States at that time when I saidIn the United States because it was still the world of the modem ..it so... It starts, and if it is a story that seems to be broadband, situation because it talks first with ISP that should be talked with the CATV company. ..(.. ..laughter..) that is not e-DistributionAnd, it has carried it over after all (To PS3).

【Q】 Japan is that whether the plan was too early though making to broadband was early by it when thinking about the development of world wide.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】However, it is not Apple's having achieved e-Distribution by music in the meantime so. Therefore, here also finally : with the Japanese syllabary.

【Q】 HDD for network function for that that and service of network for that. In PS3, it seems to try to arrange a necessary infrastructure.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】It does exactly. Moreover, saying is a message of the PS3 sale doing the network service from the first day.

Moreover, the tea valley. (Tea valley Coucoreshi. Corporate executive and CTO)Kawanishi(Mr. Kawanishi fountain. Corporate executive and general manager of software development headquarters and director of network system development department)Though the jaw of the team of our development might go up. Doing next when and where when not doing here, and of.

Future Market
In the PDF version, here e-Distribution PDF version is here in here
Future NETWORK PDF version.

- The business is done by contents after basic service.

【Q】 However, the part on the network seems not to have been emphasized so much up to now at the conference etc.There is ..hanging.. difference as a vision of e-Distribution seven years ago.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】The story of the net service was not only called a shop too much in and E3 of.

【Q】 Was not the network able to be pushed out because for circulation, there was a
part of the business?

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】However, I do not receive money from match service on the network and a part basic of what. In such a place, PC is not natural. Very ..what.. is said with a domestic console, and it exists natural in PC.

Therefore, basic service does naturally, and even if the business is done by contents, :. For instance, I think that the one of "GT (car race game of Grantsurismo and SCEI)" (From user's side) wanting this comes out. There is a story of making the servers end Cell server, too.

【Q】 How much hangs so that the network contents may infiltrate do you think?

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】I do not think that it is so much since time. The network becomes natural, and the connected infrastructure becomes natural. One year?I think that natural and everyone think in two years.

【Q】 It was talked that it was an age of contents on the network in '99 year's lecture in around 2005. Is it according to almost expectation though there are a few gaps?

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】Oh dear, I think that it is these kind of things. Because there is already no Apple Computer up to hereGoogle is naturally used for (The network). It has already come to the presence. However, Microsoft (Xbox 360 :) is said that it is a game machine, and exists for a moment in the previous step.

Finally, when e-Distribution advances, the disk is lost.

【Q】 Judging from the idea of e-Distribution, an optical disk drive looks like the vermiform appendix. Finally, an optical drive on a local side : in becoming not important when becoming the age of a network digital entertainment. For instance, PLAYSTATION only of HDD.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】…… Finally, it sleeps though there must not be HDD either in reality. It is likely to become it when it is unnecessary some time (The drive :) if all data is taken to the servers end. In a similar story, the Google terminal is, and when it is achieved, is a super-thin client like coming out also of the idea. However (Diskless is achieved), the server is important, and it is difficult quite for that.

【Q】 Finally, do you think that the distribution with optical media is mid-term necessary though might become a client on the network also PLAYSTATION?

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】When it comes to be able to display 2K1K (full HD resolution) with domestic TV in the future, the world where the bit contents only to enjoy it enough are on the server side is difficult still for a moment. Therefore, BD can exist enough as a distribution media.

Moreover, the industrial world and the circulation field cannot be done if not so. PS3 is ..largeness.. to welcome it because everyone thinks that it wants to fall sales of DVD now and to find the following hard. PS3 is very priming from the side where it wants to sell flat TV. When the talk five years ahead (vision) is told, all are ..(.. ..laughter..) not good to eat that not is however again ..me..

However, I think that it goes there (e-Distribution) as a flow when entering the state that ties to the server like seem being natural immediately after the sale of PS3.

- E-Distribution that continues to Cell computing

【Q】 It is understood that the distributed computing to which contents not only are distributed in the e-Distribution plan but also it computes it by the servers end ,in a word, the Cell computing is included.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】I want to do it so. Are a certain neither meaning nor Google already so as it is a far story as for the Cell computing?It is that processed on the centric computer side. Not doing on the (PC) side of the local : because it is certain though the mechanism is said that it will not say. It is not only Google. Everyone already begins to do.

【Q】 The Cell computing is a different point trying to do it in the world of a real-time computing. In your keynote speech by semiconductor conference "ISSCC 06" in February this year, the last big circle was not Nettowarcdoentartament in year of the '99 but a real-time computer.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】No, it was thought that be going the real time of it (computed) ahead in the head (Nettowarcdoentartament). Naturally, it is . because it started from the game machine. Because there is already Zanet (Internet) if it is not real-time.

Q】 Is it only specified by the aspect as the computer?

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】It is so. It extends to the network that ahead though the Cell computing starts in the world in the miniature garden named PS3 first.

- The Cell computing is concurrently developed.

【Q】 The software platform to exchange Cell objects on the network is needed to achieve the Cell computing on the network. The situation of the development doesn't come into view so much.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】 It might be early for a moment to still say the Cell computing. It does in parallel ..however (With the maintenance of the game platform)... Tea valley (CTO) takes charge, and this is advanced. Because E3 is a trade show, the main body and game software. Nambo was said feeling aiming at the end of the year, and the meeting with the retailer was most. Then, it did not say because it was reluctant even if it was said the Cell computing. Though it is likely to differ if it is CES (Consumer Electronics Show: consumer electronic show held by the U.S. Las Vegas).

【Q】 The progress of the Cell server that becomes one of the elements of the Cell
computing : please.

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】 It does variously in cooperation with Mr. IBM.

【Q】 Isn't there possibility of putting out the server from SCEI?

【 Hisashi Yokishi 】It might be.

【Q】 Do it become it for the game server if it does?

PS3 tool stacked in E3 hall
【 Hisashi Yokishi 】 One is a game server. This is confusedly, and can be interesting. Because stacking the development tool (Set it up repeatedly in the rack) wanted to take the image of the Cell server in advance, even E3 :. The unit of 2U was stacked, and each unit was connected with the FTP server in the E3 hall. Therefore, it was able to enjoy the evolving game for the E3 period more than every day (To ..automatic operation.. target in updating the game program that improved to the server).

It comes to be able to tie to the server of polyphonic digital (The game studio and Grantsurismoshirez etc. of SCEI are developed) sooner or later. Therefore, the server is and there is wanting you to become Cell. I want to try for the power supply to tie 1,000 several thousand Cell or more, and to make the cyberworld.

Interview explanation

The vision is very plain. It is in the network in the future, and faces digital contents Distoributed on the network. It is understood to think that it becomes PS3 and the peace became complete at last though this target set at PS2 has not been blurred. The purpose of providing the network service when launching it is to pave the road to the world at the previous network digital contents center in PS3.

Xbox Live and the strategy of Xbox 360 are common around here. It seems to try to take SCEI by lowering the threshold in the state of "Former per PS3 = network". It is thought that it is likely to be able to invite it to the network contents if the user gets on the net once.

Of course, time of each year is needed in completely moving to e-Distribution. However, the resolution on the TV display for the consumer becomes a landing once by HDTV. On the other hand, the band on the network extends continuously, and the computing power of the server goes up, too. Then, thinking that the network contents and the specific gravity change because a network infrastructure enough for the capacity of contents is in order somewhere is natural.

It is understood that SCEI doesn't stick to an optical disk media to tell the truth in a longer-term vision though BD is often closed up in PS3. From balance of network band and volume of data to vision of gradually moving to network under the present situation though optical media are importantThere is an impact in the game industry that sticking to to physical media is strong though this is a very natural vision in the world of the computer that has already turned to the net center. It is because of becoming the business model's the re-reform.

In addition, one - step has already gone up in e-Distribution by Cell's designed on the assumption of the distributed computing joining. In the Cell computing, it comes to be able to use the computing power of PS3 or more of the local by distributing software Cell made a package by way of the network. Decentralization with a strong real time is difficult in the current Internet as said in the interview. However, it is a vision of the ideal to achieve a real-time computing of decentralized by computing Cell. However, the phase seems to shift like transmitting the nuance in the interview about the Cell computing.

In PS2, not only the network infrastructure in the world but also the situation of SCEI had not caught up with the network contents making at all as an ideal though it was. However, it works considerably seriously like understanding the PS3 generation from the word said, "Next, do when and where when not doing here". However, the experience is a thin area for SCEI, and it is certain that the hurdle is high.

Time for changes.

Viano

06-09-2006, 02:31 PM

from IBM Systems and Technology Innovation Forum

no new updates on CELL but good info on KK's vision on CELL.

CELL and CELL server.
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060609/sce11.jpg
CELL Roadmap.
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060609/sce8.jpg

Hisashi Yokiken president and group CEO of Sony computer entertainment Ltd. lectured it by "IBM Systems and Technology Innovation Forum" done while holding it in the hotel in Tokyo.

It asked the participant for the use of Cell that emphasized a strong partnership in the development of Cell with IBM, and exceeded the entertainment field though there was no update in information on PLAYSTATION 3.

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- Cooperation in the Cell development appeals.

Hisashi Yokishi explains it looks back on walking of SCEI of ten years, and the computer has changed the world of the graphics and the entertainment rapidly. There might be a lot of person in charge etc. of the information system section of the enterprise, it differed from Enterprises-affiliated, and it looked back on the history of the computer use in the entertainment field those who audited it.

Walking of PlayStation

It introduces the approach of Emotion Engine of the partnership with LSI Logic in PlayStation and PlayStation 2. Emotion Engine : as large-scale processor development for a specific usage. ｢After the game industry starts. It was the first challenge including the consumer electronic and the computer industry. It was thought that it wanted to introduce the possibility of the computer, and to draw out developer's Crieitibti though it was said it was rash. ｣The arriving details etc. explained turning around from the entry of the game market to the processor development.

｢PLAYSTATOION 3 that packs the zeal of a large literary property and the engineer will be put on the market this autumn. It proposes it to the contents society for a quite new entertainment. ｣It introduces the approach on Cell jointly developed with IBM and Toshiba for PLAYSTATION 3.

About "Why is Cell necessary?"｢There is a reason for the so on manufacturing with an improvement of power consumption, too and it doesn't rise linear up to now though the current CPU has raised the performance by the clock improvement. How will 10 times and 100 times the computer power be demonstrated in these ten years, and can the possibility of the computer be improved?Result of the examination｣It makes it.

Therefore, it is said that it connects with Cell mutually through the network, and the operated structure was taken. ｢If each other is connected with them in the futures, one has the possibility to change the current computer architecture greatly by the same level as the PC processor. Knowledge, knowhow, the literary property of IBM, and the processing technology of Toshiba and the idea to the application achievement combined in addition and Cell started. ｣It solved and the partnership was emphasized.

How is "Real time" made the best use of?

Performance of processing of floating point of Cell

Moreover, assume, "The floating point processing was extremely strengthened", and the reason in Cell｢Real time was valued. An ability near an expensive super computer to correspond was achieved. ｣Sticking to to real time was emphasized.

The real time｢Everything is used for the computer entertainment. This is a concept of PLAYSTATION 3. ｣It says. In addition, about the field where the network was used｢When all infrastructures like all servers and networks, etc. can be maintained in cooperation with the partner such as IBM, neither other super computers nor systems of the government possession can be able to do. I want to aim at this. ｣The image of the future of computing by PLAYSTATION 3 and Cell was talked about.

As a computing by making the best use of real time example｢(game)In Grantsurismo, the CG synthesis in real time : in front of around. In addition, it is made from CAD data used when an actual car designs from an automaker all over the world and offering it. The data is used in game, and it is data of course and "Simulator" that in real time additionally generates those information｣With the explanation.

In addition, it explains feedback from the game to real starts, and it is said recently, "The collaboration that we did not imagine is arising" , saying that "(CAD data is not only gotten) Be becoming mutual communications as making the best use of for the simulation "Are it and what influence do you exist in the driveability though it wants to put such a mechanism?" from the automaker etc.".

A real-time performance is taken full advantage to the entertainment.

It asks the audience for the collaboration that makes the best use of such "Real time" by Cell. ｢It differs from the application of the business, and it is necessary to return the response of all actions in PLAYSTATION 3 every 1/60 seconds. It is in real time all produced with the image of full HD. This real-time performance can be used more besides the game. ｣Make, and the example of the monitor system for the medical treatment etc. to the enumeration participant｢I want you to feel that it might be useful for our work. Moreover, how is (Cell made the best use of?) It wants to want you to think together, and to find it with you also by us. ｣It called.

It introduces the story when having conferred with Stephen Spelbarg last month about the use of the computer. ｢When meeting ten years ago, it was spoken, "It is not very ..making the movie by the computer-aided.. ..wanting the idea..". However, when meeting last month, "If PLAYSTATION 3 is put on the market, it is desirous at once. "Variously in the current power of expression of the computer and Intaractibiti. ｣It is said that it talked solving. However, it was described, "Did not put it on the newspaper because it was not in the commitment that Spielberg did something to this with the computer", and invited the laughter at the hall.

Moreover, the ability of the operation processing related to Maltimadimedia appeals especially. ｢It is difficult on a present computer to do the stream of full HD deciphering though the HD correspondences such as Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD are advanced. This decipherment cannot be achieved with state-of-the-art PC today though 54Mbp and 2 HD streams can be thrown in BD. However, the HD stream in two systems can be freely treated in Cell. ｣It solves and the Cell performance appeals.

It introduces a usage the home server as a short-term example. ｢There is use for the conversion of the stream of various formats and saving, and up-loading, etc. , too. Adding the function can correspond to various missions by the feature of the computer. ｣It says.

｢I want to aim at an intelligent new network where Cell was made the best use of though PLAYSTATION 3 is the first proposal. It wants to have made use of the operation ability of Cell connected with the network in the world within ten, and to make the world of a new computing. I want you to throw creation to the new world for that. I want to do today in the first day when the future is designed. ｣It asked the Cell computing for cooperation.

The concept of 4th dimension is the the complexity of network interaction, in my words.

Smokey

06-09-2006, 02:34 PM

so whats the modern Amiga? is this BAD?

Viano

06-09-2006, 02:39 PM

me bad english cant answer your question loL;..

Angeljuice

06-09-2006, 03:22 PM

I think what this thread conclusively proves more than anything is that there is a desperate need for descent translation software, otherwise the wooden-headed fella's gonna drown in a tsunami of entertainment fat, and none of us would wish that fate on anybody.

VG Aficionado

06-09-2006, 03:38 PM

Awesome info Viano! :thumbl:

Old_Timer!

06-09-2006, 04:29 PM

Arigato Viano kun, sorry about my bad japanese spelling. good find
+ rep
Hopefully some homebrew devs will make a killa translation system.

Viano

06-09-2006, 04:41 PM

Arigato Viano kun, sorry about my bad japanese spelling. good find
+ rep
Hopefully some homebrew devs will make a killa translation system.

thx, and for the side note,
kun=♂　；ｐ

OmniCloud

06-09-2006, 06:28 PM

So w/PS3 I'll be able to watch all my movies and photos on my HI-def TV, playback every album of music I own, watch movies in hi-def w/my Blu-ray player, surf the web and download applications like Kazaa and PSP video 9, online chat through games and web browser, play games online for free and have one universal name across all games like Live, stream all my music and movies to watch on PSP in any hotspot, and type up a report all on my TV in the living room??! Sounds too good to be true if you ask me.

GTShotoKen

06-09-2006, 06:55 PM

thx, and for the side note,
kun=♂　；ｐ

Viano-chan!

Who's the man? [/that's right...me]

thanks for the information round up though.

+rep

yoshaw

06-09-2006, 11:36 PM

Yup, great j