Robot Mind Control

[BigfootGus]

Is it possible?


In theory, is it possible for The Matrix idea to be real, I think about these things. That movie makes you think...

[FoeHammer]

Don't think so, but what if...
It would be weird to be controlled by robots, but interesting.

[D3adcell]

Well in the matrix the robots aren't controlling you. Simply putting you into a digital world were you are a free to do anything you choose. Just that somethings which you choose to do may conflict with the program and get you in trouble with agents.

But what if what we are living in is some sort of alternate reality, say a dream we can't wake up from until death. Then by learning things in life can we wake up at all.

There has to be something to dreams. Sometimes dreams seem so real and people can wake up just pouring with sweat after a dream. It's almost as if its a window into unother world. Then there are things like the whatever plane and stuff.

What if there are worlds in which which are a result of doing something differently then we chose in this life. Say instead of doing A) your life could be so much different by doing B) depending on the situation or what coul dhave happened.

Alot of theories out there.

[FoeHammer]

You should write a book, or something.
Lot of good opinions, there. I don't dream a lot, but when I do, it's weird as hell, kinda surreal. I can almost realize i'm dreaming because it's so weird.
The Matrix has you!

[ean205]

Not really sure if that is possible but let's be postive about it. Robots will definitely be our partners in the near future.

[EarthDrink]

Are you talkin' about our sexual partners?

[FoeHammer]

I hear that's a possibility in the near future.

[Chris]

Please, you think you're all living life with free will? Ha! The robots have already taken control of our minds, they just don't want you to know it.

[HolyPaladin]

Well in the matrix the robots aren't controlling you. Simply putting you into a digital world were you are a free to do anything you choose. Just that somethings which you choose to do may conflict with the program and get you in trouble with agents.

But what if what we are living in is some sort of alternate reality, say a dream we can't wake up from until death. Then by learning things in life can we wake up at all.

There has to be something to dreams. Sometimes dreams seem so real and people can wake up just pouring with sweat after a dream. It's almost as if its a window into unother world. Then there are things like the whatever plane and stuff.

What if there are worlds in which which are a result of doing something differently then we chose in this life. Say instead of doing A) your life could be so much different by doing B) depending on the situation or what coul dhave happened.

Alot of theories out there.

I don't subscribe to the dreams having meaning, at least in general. One dream saved my life, though, but that's a different story. Too many of my dreams have just been inspired by things I've experienced during the previous day for me to even consider them having some deeper meaning (again, in general but with some slight exception).

Regarding the other worlds being alternates versions of our own, I briefly entertained such imaginings when I was much younger, but the notion seems absolutely ludicrous today. I can't even imagine how to explain the existance of a duplicate Earth complete with duplicates of each and every one of us down to the finest detail. If the theory delt with such alternative worlds existing in some kind of parallel dimension, I might be able to play along, but I can't for a moment entertain the idea that one of those stars in our own night sky might be a duplicate of our own sun with an exact duplicate of all our planets including an identical Earth with duplicates of us all living out alternative endings to our lives.

Heck, come to think of it, I can't even imagine it in some parallel dimension, and here's why: Let's say this other Earth was to exist complete with copies of us that are living out variations of our lives; you know, just making some different choices from our own. Over time, those small changes will come to effect that world's future increasingly dramatically.

How to explain what I mean...? Okay, such a duplicate Earth would have to exist four-dimensionally, right? Across time, I mean. So it wouldn't just be our look-alike today, but would have been our great, great grandparents' duplicate Earth with their duplicates, too. Well, what if in that world our grandfather had not became involved with our grandmother but took a different route in life. That would mean that one of our parents wouldn't have been born, which would subsequently mean that we were never born, which would mean that we no longer have a duplicate of us living out an alternate life to our own since dear old grandad got to live out an alternative life first.

Those alternatives could mean people born on our world not being born on their world, which would effect future generations more and more until eventually you reach a point that there are no people in common between the two Earths. Some people that lived long lives in our world might end up dead prematurely on that world, for one reason or another. People that died early here might live out long and full lives there. Over time, technologies would become more and more different between the worlds. We can play this game with all aspects of this alternate Earth. Eventually, there'd be virtually nothing in common between the two Earths on which none of us would have duplicates of us living out different lives from our own.

[Negativity]

Yes but to logically exist in the parallel sense your speaking, the major events which mold us dramatically would most probably be very similar.

[Gaul]

Well in the matrix the robots aren't controlling you. Simply putting you into a digital world were you are a free to do anything you choose. Just that somethings which you choose to do may conflict with the program and get you in trouble with agents.


You don't call being used as a battery control? You are not free to do anythign you choose. You only think you are. Sure, your mind may be telling you your strolling through the park, but your not really. In reality your stuck in a jelly filled pod having the life sucked out of you. Thats not freedom.

[D3adcell]

You don't call being used as a battery control? You are not free to do anythign you choose. You only think you are. Sure, your mind may be telling you your strolling through the park, but your not really. In reality your stuck in a jelly filled pod having the life sucked out of you. Thats not freedom.

Yeah, but you never know the difference. You are able to discover the difference though and escape it if you try hard enough. Basically you are more free in the matrix then you are in reality, if you are going by the movie. In the real world the people would be constantly running from the machines, constantly hiding. Struggling to find food and to stay alive.

In the matrix there is no struggle, you don't even know anything is wrong. It's not until in the realworld machines and humans can live together that you are ultimately free. But any point prior to that, your most free in the matrix.

[BigfootGus]

Paladin always makes me look like an ass with his all-knowing encyclopedia answers and details, I was just up late last night and was thinking about this.

[the poe collector]

I would've chosen the Matrix over the real world, it's better than getting killed by octopus looking robots and relying on Keanu Reeves to save humanity

I don't really know if I believe that there is anything to dreams, I honestly can't remember the last time I had a dream or if I dream at all. Does everyone dream? Maybe I just forget about the dreams...I don't ever remember having nightmares either

[BigfootGus]

^you probably repress them

[FoeHammer]

"Ignorance is bliss"-Joey Pants from 1st Matrix
that guy knows what he's doing.

[SuperLuigiBros]

I never, ever remember my dreams until the next day or two. For example, just say Im looking out the window and see some trees moving with a car or something, Ill remember that from a dream, but only like one image - like a screenshot. Its wierd.

It only happens sometimes, but theres only a couple of dreams that I can remember that were of surreal things, and they usually give me awesome ideas for art work.

[BigfootGus]

i usually remember my really weird or scary dreams, which sucks, because theyre so realistic

[Ihsiin]

If The Matrix was real, it would be an extraordinary coincidence to have a film of it.

[BigfootGus]

maybe the people of xion made the matrix movies to help us wake up, because there's no other way of them contacting us without the robots knowing

or the wachowski bros are aliens

[FoeHammer]

Maybe the Wachowski bros are plugged into the Matrix, and are trying to find a way to wake us all up, so they went to film school and made a billion-dollar trilogy of movies to help us all out. I wish I could wake up into the real world.
This Matrix kinda sucks sometimes.

Nah, they're probably just aliens.

[EarthDrink]

possibly

[Gaul]

Yeah, but you never know the difference. You are able to discover the difference though and escape it if you try hard enough. Basically you are more free in the matrix then you are in reality, if you are going by the movie. In the real world the people would be constantly running from the machines, constantly hiding. Struggling to find food and to stay alive.

In the matrix there is no struggle, you don't even know anything is wrong. It's not until in the realworld machines and humans can live together that you are ultimately free. But any point prior to that, your most free in the matrix.

I would never have chosen the Matrix. I'd rather face the horrors of reality than spend my life living a literall lie. You may be none the wiser to it, but does that really matter? When you submit yourself as a human battery just so you don't have to face the responsibilities of the human race? The humans are the ones that introduced the AI into the world, the thing that destroyed the world, and to give up the fight so you can live in a world that exists only in your mind is not right, when you should be choosing the fight to save the human race from being mind slaves.

[FoeHammer]

Some people can't choose(according to the movie)
They can't wake up, unless someone helps them out.
It's like being force sensitive...

[BigfootGus]

i dont think jedis have anything to do with the matrix

[FoeHammer]

People who can jack in and out of the Matrix have a lot of similar powers to Jedi's, because they can alter it. Morpheus is like Yoda, Neo is like Luke, and Trinity is like Leia.

[BigfootGus]

yeah, but Morpheus looks like Windu

[FoeHammer]

You know, I think Obi Wan is more like Morpheus.

[BigfootGus]

yeah, and smith is like jar jar

[koten]

Some of the ideas in this thre are downright ridiculous.

How could anyone possibly control a person's mind when the mind is so intensly complex that it's near impossible to understand, let alone control.

Add to that the levels of robot technology today. AI is so basic, it will be a long, long time before we have an hope of creating a robot with any sort of human-like thought, let alone, super-human. Furthermore, why does everyone beleave that robots will turn evil and rebelle on humans and try and take over the world? There's no basis or logic begind such a thought process, yet it's one of the most beleaved and feared ideas in the world.

Logical analasis of this thread leads to the simple conclusion that, no, robots will not control our mind, now or anytime in the near future.

[BigfootGus]

it doesnt have to be in the near future, i just think that it could happen eventually

watch the animatrix, it's intriguing

[EarthDrink]

I'll have to do that.

[BigfootGus]

got your message, see ya later homie doggie dogg

jonjon is coming on next, so he wont be talkin to ya, cuz hes not on this website

[koten]

it doesnt have to be in the near future, i just think that it could happen eventually

watch the animatrix, it's intriguingI've watched the Animatrix. It's mind-numbing drivel.

[FoeHammer]

I think it's okay. It doesn't tell you much more than you already know, but it's worth watching. A lot of the art is cool, too.

[BigfootGus]

it's okay, guys

i got my haterblockers on

[Krad]

To keep it simple:

It is most definitely possible to create a "Maxtrix." The human brain is nothing more than a very complex conductor of electricity. All we have to do is control the electricity, which is bring done, gradually.

As for the dreams, I'll keep it as the subconscious mind "telling" the conscious mind in it's mistakes, ETC.

[BigfootGus]

^thats what im trying to tell them, but im not a human encyclopedia
so i just come off as an idiot
which is semi-true

go help me out with my bigfoot thread, brethren

[FoeHammer]

I don't think it's possible to create a Matrix.
Who has the power or knowledge to control the human brain?
We still haven't fully uncovered or cannot understand the human brain, so how can anyone expect to know how to control it's electricity, or whatever it uses?

[BigfootGus]

^a computer could, if we would let it

[koten]

Nunchuks, you have absolutly no basis for that assumption. Like I said before, the human brain is to complex to understand, and how exactly would we "let" a computer control our brains?

[BigfootGus]

we wouldnt let it, we just havent been taken over by robots yet, so computers havent reached their full potential of what they can do yet, if robots controlled computers, they would design them to be able to access our brains and control them and all that

i may have worded that other post wrong though

[koten]

Even the most advanced nuerologists barely understand the brain. It is generally known, and excepted the electric pulses in the brain cary information, but how this proccess is don't or how it works, is still a mystery. Even if we did have the worlds most advanced robots, they would still have to figure out how the hell the brain works and then figure out how to manipulate it, which is, in itself, a whole nother ballgame.

[BigfootGus]

yeah, but in the Matrix, it was like 2199 when we were being controlled, and if you dont think technology will have advanced that far at that time, youre in denial

[Krad]

We most definitely have the technology so that we can control computers with our minds, if we were to reverse engineer that technology, it would be a step towards mind controlling robots. But why would anyone want that? I see no benefits. I do see a benefit of our minds being able to control computers at a more complex level.

[FoeHammer]

We've seen enuff movies about bad robots to stay away from making any powerful ones, me thinks.

Don't know if the leading robot builders of today have seen The Matrix, though, so we still need to be alert.

[koten]

I get the feeling that my arguments here have been wasted.

[venomv]

Even the most advanced nuerologists barely understand the brain.

On that note, common sense says eventually they will know more. Once you start down a road it gets so much easier once you realize (even in the most basic of ways) what is going on.

And, like people have mentioned, we can control robots with our minds with some practice. Studying that interaction should also help in the understanding of our brains.

The problem lies in a computer "consiously" controlling someone, as they are right now computers cannot think, so they can't control anything, they are the ones being controlled and I really see no way to change that.

[Krad]

^ Win

Although, AI is getting better and better, sometimes with great leaps. But I say we'll need to stop working on AI when it get's to a certain level. Maybe the level of a 5 year old or something.

[FoeHammer]

What's the good of AI then, if it only has the intelligence of a five year old?

Maybe like washing dishes or something.

[masteratt]

Get a girl to do that.
Just say "Wow you are beatuiful, let's chat." And then say "Actually, come to my house and we can chat while you wash the dishes." And then she'll be like "omg but will u listen to what i have to say?? *blush*" And you will say "With all my heart! :)" And then YOU GET HER TO WASH THE DISHES ;)

Anyway, what's going on...

[FoeHammer]

I think a robot would do it for free.
It would be programmed to wash dishes for you.
No need for seduction.

[BigfootGus]

yeah, but you would have to find a robot, and smart ones wouldnt be just sitting around on street corners like that

[FoeHammer]

so you'd buy one.
a cheap one.
that only washes dishes.
so it'd be cheap.
Sheesh!

[BigfootGus]

where would you get that, Robots R'Us?

[FoeHammer]

Aren't we talkin about the future here?
I thought so.
A hypothetical future where robots are commonly found.

[Zeep]

Koten: why do you assume that because our current AI is crap, the matrix idea is impossible? In reality, we may have already invented perfect AI, and that AI was the AI that took over the planet and made us into batteries, and in the virtual world they created, we don't know how to create better AI.

[FoeHammer]

This is true.
So are many things.
But we only know what we know, right?
And all knowledge is power, so we hold no power over the knowledge we can obtain. Nor can we obtain the amount of knowledge we need to truly know.
Anything.

[BigfootGus]

you speak like morpheus, all knowing one

because
you cut off
your sentences
into lines
for no
apparent
reason
other than
to sound intellectual
and
all that

[FoeHammer]

I just do it because i AM intelligent.

Plus, it's my new idea i'm trying to spread around.
It's going to take over the 'paragraph'
Just got a patent on this manner of speaking,
And I am trying to make some money off of it.
It works as follows:

You just
Skip
to the next
line
when you
feel
like it,
don't worry
about
sentences or complete
thoughts,
just keep going.

It's gonna be huge one day.

[venomv]

Sounds like a
good idea
maybe
it
will catch on
one day



Ok
maybe not
........

[FoeHammer]

It
will.
Trust me
you guys.
It's gonna be
Yuge, Conan.

(Donald Trump)
Impression by
Conan
O'
Brien.

[BigfootGus]

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!