Skunkape Existence

[BigfootGus]

I need to know, this is itchin me like crazy, is bigfoot real?

If so, provide substantial evidence or just debate like we always do
I just need some second opinions on this

[EarthDrink]

I think he's real.Just watch the TV shows and you'll see all the proof you need.

[BigfootGus]

Yeah, but tv shows about bigfoot are so bootleg, I rented a video that tried to convince people of his existence, or their existence if there's more than one, but all the evidence they had were a couple of crappy pictures, and a story about some hand bones of a yetti that mysteriously got stolen, never to be seen again. This one guy was like" I have a theory that they cover up their tracks, and that's why we can't ever find any tracks," but that's a retarded excuse

[EarthDrink]

Okay,I only watched one show about it,so I didn't know how lame it was.
My bad.

[Loc]

Yea Big Foot is huge up here in Washington. See that A-hole everyday.

[FoeHammer]

Bigfoot is an A-hole. He could do a lot for this country if he would stop jerkin' off in the forest for a little while. We could even cure some diseases, because he is near-human. Bigfoot might be real, but Skunkape's are fuckin' real!!

[Bloodman]

I believe there are some animals we haven't discovered yet, but creatures like big foot and mothman are not so clear. If they live in our backyard they should be spotted every once and a while.

[D3adcell]

Yeah, but tv shows about bigfoot are so bootleg, I rented a video that tried to convince people of his existence, or their existence if there's more than one, but all the evidence they had were a couple of crappy pictures, and a story about some hand bones of a yetti that mysteriously got stolen, never to be seen again. This one guy was like" I have a theory that they cover up their tracks, and that's why we can't ever find any tracks," but that's a retarded excuse

Yeah I was watching about that on the history channel or something. They had about the yetti hand that was stolen from a church. Some guy took a part of it to examine in a lab or something. But that was so long ago like in the 20's or 30's.

But there is substantial evidcence that they did, at one time exist. Such as the gigantopithicas (or however you spell it). But people are trying to find out if he still exists today, which is unlikely.

If you really think about it, how many full sets of dinasour bones have been recovered? There isn't a huge abbundance of dinosaur bones out there. But how many do you think existed? I would bet alot more then any other creatures at that time period. Then the bones we do find are often from the time they were 'extinct' or whatever.

But then too, there are plenty of places we have not discovered yet. Like the thread we had just recently about the guys that climbed some mountain and found all new species of animals that was never before touched by man. Different birds, different ant eater type animals etc. So in a sense it is possible, just not very likely. That they still exist, if they ever did.

Oh BTW, anyone seen the Jack Links "Messing with Sasquatch" commercials?

[FoeHammer]

I heard about that stuff, too. Haven't seen the commercials.
Are yetti's supposed to be the same creature as bigfoot, just in a different environment? Seem really similar from pictures I've seen(probably fake pictures)

[D3adcell]

Yes, yettis are the same. Yetti is what they are called in eastern countries. Big Foot here in US and Sasquatch basically in Canada.

[FoeHammer]

Then what the hell are Skunkape's?

[D3adcell]

Skunk Ape is a large hairy, bipedal mammal that calls the Everglades home. They have been spotted as far north as Tallahassee, Florida. Large adult males weigh in excess of 450 lbs and stand 6 – 7 feet tall. Most confirmed Skunk Ape sightings report an individual animal however, increasing sightings reported claim to have seen several Skunk Apes traveling together. These groups also known as troops are becoming more common. Their favorite meal consists of wading bird fledgelings, wild pig, deer and alligator make up a large part of their diet, however it has been found by close examination of their droppings ,the Skunk Ape is an omnivore. Omnivores eat meat and vegetation. The Everglades is a Smorgasbord of edible vegetable matter. Although there have been numerous incidences of hunting camps being destroyed and several shots have been fired by people claiming “self defense”, there is no factual evidence of a Skunk Ape attacking anyone. If you are attacked, defend yourself by any means possible.


http://www.skunkape.info/page2.html

[EarthDrink]

That's some good info.

[dork]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/Monkysk.jpg

That is really scary.

[EarthDrink]

I don't know whether to say that is real or fake.

[BigfootGus]

that last pic is probably from the Disney movie of the bigfoot
that movie was gay as hell

[Boggy700]

If Bigfoot lives in a forest and no one is around to see him, does he exist?


If Bigfoot does exist, we'll be cutting down his forest to build some McDonalds', and then find him soon enough.


You rock, Rock.
You just sit there and show us how to be,
and that is what we need.

[BigfootGus]

if they were real and there were lots, what would the species be named?

[Omega]

That pic was actually take by a lady in Myakka, Florida. The creature was fumbling around in the palmettos behind her house and she got a photo of it before it disappeared. I read the headline about it.

http://www.wintersteel.com/files/Images/Skunk_Ape.jpg

Comparison of features with orangutan:

http://www.lorencoleman.com/images/SkunkApe-OrangComparison2.jpg

Two remarkable new photographs of what may be a Florida Skunk Ape have been discovered through an interesting chain of events by Sarasota resident and animal welfare specialist David Barkasy. Bigfoot! The True Story of Apes in America overviews how these photographs were taken, how this find surfaced, the first reactions and analyses, and some tentative conclusions. For the time being, certain supportive notes will remain, here, available and online

Here is the December 22, 2000, letter signed "God Bless. I prefer to remain anonymous" mailed to the Sarasota Sheriff's Department.

Newspapers in Florida, the Art Bell show, and other radio programs during mid-February, decided to talk about the Myakka photographs. The hope is that the woman photographer will be identified.

In the meantime, meaningful analyses of the eyeshine, the pupil diameter, the dentition, the tongue, hair color, and exhibited behavior of this apparent primate is taking place.
These Coleman enlargements and details were created from the first generation color prints scanned by David Barkasy of the Sarasota County Sheriff's Department's originals. These prints show forehead lines, yellow canines, fingernails, hair, and other significant details. Copyright 2001 by David Barkasy and Loren Coleman










At right: A young male Sumatran Orangutan, Pongo pygmaeus abelii, American Museum of Natural History.

Below: Concurrent with my thinking, Tony Scheuhamme, a biologist with the Canadian Wildlife Service, pointed out some features on a good photograph of an orangutan by Denise McQuillen. This is not to say the Myakka photographs are of an orangutan, but it certainly assists in identifying features that are found on a known anthropoid that appear to exist on this one too.


The Myakka ape head closeup Copyright 2001 by David Barkasy and Loren Coleman. Compared with a Sumatran Orangutan's head, photograph at the Cincinnati Zoo by Denise McQuillen, 1999; Reprinted with permission.




Could this be a "Skunk Ape." an as yet-undiscovered large anthropoid, per the "Unknown Pongid" type discussed in The Field Guide to Bigfoot, Yeti, and Other Mystery Primates Worldwide (NY: Avon, 1999)?

See more on Skunk Apes in Cryptozoology A to Z and Mysterious America: The Revised Edition


The Myakka Ape Photographs are only the most recent of a long history of Skunk Ape and related mystery anthropoid reports. I have files, and letters from people that lived along the east-central coast of Florida (mostly in the Holopaw-Brooksville area) who related to me their series of encounters with apelike animals, especially during the 1963-1968 period. We should not be surprised that the Everglades may not be the key to solving this mystery, but the Myakka area may.

http://www.lorencoleman.com/images/Orang.head.jpg

[BigfootGus]

that would be sweet as hell if they were real,
looks like a giant sloth

[FoeHammer]

Personally, I believe in those things. Crazy as hell-lookin'

[EarthDrink]

when I was walkin' in these woods I could have sworn that I saw the
Sasquatch.Weird shit eh?

[FoeHammer]

It was probably just a fugly person. They hang out in the woods alot.

[HolyPaladin]

I'm open-minded about the whole sasquatch thing, but I wouldn't say that I'm a believer. Even the "evidence" isn't as great as it might seem to the believers, and most of the television programs about bigfoot (at least the dozens that I've seen) are generally cheesy at best and just plain BS at the worst. I'd think it ignorant to completely dismiss the possibility entirely, but there hasn't been superb evidence to support its existence, either.

"What about the photos, film, and footprint casts?" What about them? I can whip up those things myself, but without the need for a real bigfoot. These types of evidence suggest, but don't prove definitively.

I've seen strange things in the woods, though, and had plenty of weird experiences, and I live in Ohio which isn't exactly bigfoot country. For instance, one winter I was hiking in the woods as I often do, and there was some moderate snow accumulation on the ground that eventually became frozen on the surface when snowfall turned to freezing rain. Well, at one point during my hike I came to what I'd have sworn were the footprints of a human, but they were completely barefooted. Remember, we're deep in the woods with thorns and all sorts of things to poke your feet, not to mention ice-cold snow to freeze your toes off. Nevertheless, the tracks were there and I followed them until they seemed to vanish at a small stream. I don't know what made the tracks, but I know that animal tracks can melt to look very differently from the feet that made them.

The rational side of me wants to be skeptical about the whole sasquatch thing, and argue, "if they were out there, we'd surely have found a dead one by now, or we'd have caught one or at least killed one". However, during my vacation to Washington last fall, we drove out through the mountains and while heading back from Saint Helens after sunset it was easy for us to imagine bigfeet roaming around out there somewhere.

[FoeHammer]

Fugly, insane people in the woods are Bigfoot. They just haven't shaved in a while and have gotten used to the weather, or are too crazy to care.

[EarthDrink]

Maybe it was a smelly hobo.They tend to smell bad and wear fur looking clothing.I never thought of that.

[BigfootGus]

i think its a possibility that bigfoots are neanderthals that never evolved fully
they just stayed tall and furry
and strong, sasquatches are supposed to strong too

[[[tavis]]]

http://www.bfro.net/
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dtrapp/bigfoot.htm

http://www.tarasmovies.com/images/pages/sasquatch.jpg

[FoeHammer]

Where'd you get that picture of me???!!!

Do you think there are different types of bigfoot?
Like, they are segregated and fight each other?
Cause that one looks like an African American bigfoot.

[BigfootGus]

lol
what if?
maybe theyre scared of us
or just smarter

[venomv]

I seen a show on the History Channel (I think, possably discovery or science) that tested some of the 'evidence' of Bigfoot. I have always believe they exsisted but I was suprised when put to the test most of the evidence held up.
Gaussian curve

Researcher Henry Franzoni writes:

Bigfoot
A strong piece of evidence which suggests that the footprints are not due to a hoax or hoaxers is from Dr. W. Henner Farenbach. He has studied a database of 550 track cast length measurements and has made some preliminary observations... The Gaussian distribution of the 550 footprint lengths gives a curve that is very similar to the curve given by living populations of known animals without much sexual dimorphism in footprint length. The standard error is very low, so additions to the database will not affect the result very much. It is not very likely that coordinated groups of hoaxers conspiring together for 38 years (the time span covered by the database of track measurements) could provide such a 'life-like' distribution in footprint lengths. Groups of hoaxers who did not conspire together would almost certainly result in a non-Gaussian distribution for the database of footprint lengths" [15].

Bigfoot

Similarly, in Population Clines of the North American Sasquatch as Evidenced by Track Length and Average Status, anthropologist George Gill writes, "The preliminary results of our study support the hypothesis that Sasquatch actually exists ... not only seem to exist, but conform to ecogeographical rules" (Halpin and Ames, 272).

That was one of the things that was on there, was pretty convincing.

[FoeHammer]

Sounds pretty factual. I didn't understand but 5 words, though.

[venomv]

Well in the show they explained it better, if you take all the foot sizes (of known creatures) and you graph them it will form a bell curve. They did that to the molds they had for Bigfoots feet and they formed a bell curve.

[FoeHammer]

And a bell curve is...
Still doesn't make sense to me, but I like that picture.

[venomv]

http://sinequanon.spleenville.com/archives/images/bell%20curve.gif
http://www.childrensmercy.org/stats/definitions/norm/normal02.gif

[FoeHammer]

Yeah, cause that makes sense.

Don't bother trying to explain it; I'm really retarded.

[venomv]

Lol, I doubt you're retarded.

[BigfootGus]

maybe they can turn invisible

[venomv]

Hey, that would explain it!

[EarthDrink]

Maybe they can smell anyone or anything that is a threat and
that gives them the advantaged to know when to flee.

[advancemonkey]

.. Maybe they just shoot the people that see them. Chea.

[EarthDrink]

Your'e probably right because some people usually become reported missing
where Bigfoot has been sighted.

[FoeHammer]

That's because they like being with Bigfoot. He adopts them and then they become Bigfoots, too. Kinda like the Last Samurai.

[BigfootGus]

i saw this one bigfoot video where this guy in the Everglades was absolutely positive about skunkapes existing. He even declared them as being an endangered species. it was funny cuz he was wearing a hunting vest and had a handlebar mustache and everything. He seem pretty sincere though

[EarthDrink]

That probably happened too.

[BigfootGus]

do you think bigfoot live in caves?

if so, they must know how to use fire

which would be dangerous if theyre not as smart as us

[EarthDrink]

They might catch themselves on fire because of their poop infested fur.

[BigfootGus]

actually, poop would just stop the fire from spreading if it was fresh and moist

[EarthDrink]

But what if it was dry?

[BigfootGus]

then it would spread like the wildfires of the south

maybe thats why we never find their remains

cuz they always burn themselves with fire in their caves because of their dry, poop infested fur

[EarthDrink]

Of course,that's why they have to wear
fake fur suits so they won't get made fun of
by the other Bigfoots.

[BigfootGus]

solid point

maybe you should go back to the poop thread

[EarthDrink]

We should go back together.

[BigfootGus]

holding hands with bigfoot

and skipping to "summer breeze"

like in grease
but bigfoot would be all smelly, so i'd be all like"hey, you're gross, thats why nobody wants to find you"

and then you would be all like"hey, be nice, he's probably lonely cuz he smells so bad" and then we would part ways never to see each other again

but then we would catch back up with each other later on, and be good friends again, and bigfoot would be there too, and then we would show him to the world, like in King Kong, but he wouldn't be all spiteful and everything

[EarthDrink]

Did you just invision that?

[BigfootGus]

no, just thinking of possibilities

i hate when people on unsolved mysteries try to convince you that bigfoot exists, because its always so cheesy

[koten]

Whats with the ridiculous topics lately?

There is no proof to back up bigfoot. People have been searching for him/them for years and they have yet to find any substabcial proof, be it a clear photo (noticehow all pictures tend to be blurry, a.k.a.: easier to doctrin), video, a body, or any D.N.A. evidence. From this, one can only conclude that Bigfoot, Skunkape, Sasquatche, whatever you wanna call him, doesn't really exist. Just another stupid legened, like Atlantis, the Jersey Devil, and compitant politicians.

[EarthDrink]

Atlantis is real!!!sob sob.

[venomv]

From this, one can only conclude that Bigfoot, Skunkape, Sasquatche, whatever you wanna call him, doesn't really exist.

No, from that we can conclude we don't have any solid evedence, nothing more. That would be like all the people millenia ago were right, the earth is flat and the sun revolves around it, because they didn't have any evidence they could understand to the contrary.

[EarthDrink]

amen!!!

[FoeHammer]

No, you retards(Earth and nunchuks), it's not real!
Maybe it is...
Maybe not...
Anyway, there's no way to really tell until someone gets some real evidence, or til i catch one.

[BigfootGus]

REJOICE!!!!
someone smarter than me and Earthdrink has joined us to banish koten from hating on my threads

making conspiracy threads always gets you a lot of conversation

[venomv]

I'll join in any conspericy conversation, I normally don't agree but they do make for some good conversations. Bigfoot and Atlantis I more or less believe is possible.

[FoeHammer]

I don't specifically believe in Atlantis, but i do believe that there is some long-lost city somewhere that we havent found yet.

[venomv]

What most people complain about is that they think the island sunk and we would have found it if it was. It may not have sunk, there was a natural disaster of some sort (quite possibly a volcano or earthquake) and a flood, it could be tons of places that are still on the surface. I heard that there are people that think South America is Atlantis. I am not saying it defenently exsists, but I will not say that it doesn't. Heck, people for the longest time thought Troy was a myth.

[FoeHammer]

Yeah, there are a lot of things that used to be thought of as myths, but now have been discovered.

[BigfootGus]

like the perfect barbecue sauce

which is Sweet Baby Ray's

[FoeHammer]

Yeah, cuz that has something to do w/ Skunkapes.

[EarthDrink]

Of course! Sheeeese.

[BigfootGus]

I think today is bigfoot's least favorite holiday, cuz there's loud noises and everything, and people get drunk and theres fires and everything

[koten]

No, from that we can conclude we don't have any solid evedence, nothing more. That would be like all the people millenia ago were right, the earth is flat and the sun revolves around it, because they didn't have any evidence they could understand to the contrary.They didn't have any evidence to prove those theories either. They just thought them up because they were most convinient and logical based on their assumptions. When you compare the technology they had back then, to the technology we have now, there is no way you could make a fair comparison.

Logically, with all the cameras, sensors, satalites, and raw manpower we have looking for this thing and considering that it's evaded capture for, what is it now, 50 or 60 + years? Can you honestly tell me that there is really something living that we don't know about living there?

P.S. Don't go trying to pull that "Rainforest and undescovered species" things, we're talking about Suburban America, not the rainforest.

[BigfootGus]

yeah, but there is actually a lot of open land left in america
if you have ever driven past or even seen anything about the Everglades, you'd be suspicious too

theres just so much land that human beings havent been on yet

[EarthDrink]

That's a good thing.

[BigfootGus]

how so?

[EarthDrink]

It gives Bigfoot more space to populate
and reproduce and when that is all done,
we will likely be able to see Bigfoot more often,
and we'll be able to live and tell somebody
where to find them and everyone will find them
and they'll be are personal bodygaurds aaaaannnnd!!!
We will teach them to be more civilized.

[BigfootGus]

we will give them videos on how to fold your napkin at the dinner table and everything, and not to burp in public

[koten]

It gives Bigfoot more space to populate
and reproduce and when that is all done,
we will likely be able to see Bigfoot more often,
and we'll be able to live and tell somebody
where to find them and everyone will find them
and they'll be are personal bodygaurds aaaaannnnd!!!
We will teach them to be more civilized.I think I seriously just lost IQ points. :dazed:

[EarthDrink]

That's alright.

[BigfootGus]

My iq's like a 90 anyway, soooooooooooooo

no harm done

[EarthDrink]

That's alright too.Mine isn't that high either.

[BigfootGus]

EarthDrink, we need to find a chat room or start instant messaging each other or something, or start talking in the 20k page thread

[EarthDrink]

I think the 20k page thread willl be good.The messaging takes to long.

[EarthDrink]

I wonder if the Bigfoots have a whole civilization
thats in mountains.

[FoeHammer]

They probably do.

[venomv]

I wonder if the Bigfoots have a whole civilization
thats in mountains.

If there's one, there's two! Lol. You would've had to be listening to the radio station I was this-morning. Someone said that about piranahs (appearently someone fished one up in Illinois, not sure if it is a hoax though), it was hillarious.

[FoeHammer]

What's so weird about that?
Are they not supposed to be in that particular area?

I don't know much about animals, especially fish, so just know that i have no clue about pirahnas.

Skunkapes are more in my ballpark.

[EarthDrink]

Piranhas are not supposed to be in that area.I think that we would have to hear it to know if it was funny.

[FoeHammer]

Oh, okay.

[venomv]

Well accually I did a bit of reasearch and they have been found in rivers in New England, so I guess it isn't as far fetched as I thought. But they are naturally only found in South America and should not survive long in the cold weather in New England and Illinois.

[FoeHammer]

Skunkapes aren't, either.
I think only the Sasquatch could be found that far north in america.

[BigfootGus]

bigfoot wouldn't survive in the Tropics, he's too hairy and well-suited to his cold environment

[DrEben]

You know what EYE think is cool (hard to emphasize I) the white river monster, cause there are clear picture of him and you can visit him. The laws aboot him are funny though.

[FoeHammer]

What the heck is the white river monster?
Sounds interesting.

That la Chucacabra thing in Mexico is cool, too.

[BigfootGus]

that reminds me, I have to make a la chuca cabra thread and a UFO thread

oh, and a "I can't believe it's not butter" thread, just to finally solve that problem

[FoeHammer]

i believe in one of those.

who can guess which?

[EarthDrink]

"I can't believe it's not butter"?

[venomv]

I can believe it's not butter. But I personnally think El Chupacabra is laughable......

UFO's I'm pretty torn on, I have a hard time believing is are not aliens out there, but also a hard time believing they have visited Earth, but I want to believe anyway............

[BigfootGus]

I believe there are aliens, but they live too far away for us to ever make contact with

and for them to travel here, even if it's in secret

is it possible for an Earth-like planet to exist like, a kagillion lightyears away?
if so, are there human-like beings there, and have a society like us?
that would be cool, like an alternate dimension, but it's actually just another planet really, really far away

[venomv]

Possible? Sure I don't see why not, there is so much out there that we haven't evn began to search, or have the capibility to search yet.

[BigfootGus]

yeah, it's true that the universe is endless

[FoeHammer]

endlessly infinite.

In some other universe, there is another me.
Like in that Jet Lee movie.

[venomv]

The One.

[FoeHammer]

The Two.
Because there's two of everyone.
What it shoulda been called, anyways.

[BigfootGus]

there wasnt two of everyone, there was like 100 if everybody, thats why it took so long for the bad Jet Li to kill all of them, and absorb their life energies into himself