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warmachine
07-08-2006, 05:24 PM
gamefront (http://www.gamefront.de) put a Q&A from Sony about the PS3 online, including some very interesting information:


Playstation 3 / E3 2006 QA

- PS3 is a computer system
- PS3 is one product with different configuration
- PS3 launch date : Nov 11 (Japan), Nov 17 (US/Europe)
- PS3 price : 20GB : JPY 59,800, USD499, EUR499 (incl. VAT) / 60GB : JPY Open, USD599, EUR599 (incl. VAT)

PS3 Business Strategy

Q1. Why will you launch two models with different specs for PS3 ?
A1. PS3 is a computer system and as such, various configurations can be considered. In future, larger HDD may be required for larger content to be saved on PS3. Considering the fact that, nowadays, network connectivity is spreading within the homes, we have decided to introduce a configuration with basic ports. However, these ports, excluding HDMI, are expandable with adaptors available on the market.

Q2. How can users connect PS3 to TV without HDMI output ?
A2. PS3 supports most displays via the AV multi output. Visual quality through AV multi output is comparable to that through HDMI.

Q3. Do you have two color variations of black and silver for two different models ?
A3. This model comes in one color (clear black) only. There may be color variations in the future.

Q4. What is the initial launch quantity for PS3 ?
A4. 2 million units will be shipped worldwide at the launch timing (for the first 3 weeks), cumulative 4 million units by the end of December and cumulative 6 million by the end of March 2007 (we do not disclose the breakdown by region).

Q5. Will you launch the PS3 in the Asian region at the same timing ?
A5. Yes.

Q6. What is the breakdown of the production shipment figures for each model ?
A6. We will decide the breakdown according to the market situation.

Q7. Are you planning to launch another model which has different HDD or interface in the future ?
A7. Like PCs, other configuration with the different HDD capacity and I/O can be considered in the future.

Q8. Where will you start manufacturing PS3 ?
A8. We will start manufacturing in Japan and China simultaneously (we don't disclose the names of manufacturing companies).

Q9. When will you start manufacturing PS3 ?
A9. We will start assembly from summer. Manufacturing of the main semiconductors has already started.

Q10. MS's Xbox360 was launched a year ago and has a head start. How do you feel about it ?
A10. We have set the best launch timing for PS3.

Q11. How is the PS3 network service going to be ? Will you also start the service from day one ? What are the differences between Xbox Live and PS3 network services ?
A11. Apart from providing basic features and functions, the most important element is content and services. Downloading music in SingStar, purchasing or exchanging game data as we demonstrated at E3 press conference and many other new ways of enjoyment will be provided.

Q12. Will the network service be charged ?
A12. Basic services available free for current PCs will be free of charge but content and specific services will be charged from the beginning.

Q13. Are the specifications and design final ?
A13. Very close to final.

PS3 Price

Q14. Why did you set such a price for 20GB HDD model ?
A14. We have set this price so that many users can enjoy PS3.

Q15. Why is only 60GB model open price for Japan ?
A15. Each RHQ decides the price of PS3.

Q16. You have announced in April that more than 100 billion yen of operating loss will be caused from Game segment in FY06. Will the PS3 price have any impact on the forecast ? Was the introduction of two models factored in at the earnings announcement in April ?
A16. There is no change in forecast.

Q17. Won't having two models increase cost ? Can you expect the economy of scale with two models ?
A17. We don't have two different models. It is one model with different configuration just like with PCs. Therefore, economy of scale can be pursued.

Q18. When do you expect to start making profit with PS3 business ? It has been reported by Nikkei (dated May 1st) that the "PS3 business will make profit of over 100 billion yen in FY07." Is it true ?
A18. At the early stage after the launch, PS3 expects losses due to start-up cost, etc. However, there is no change in our business model to make profit from both hardware and software. As we have accomplished with PS2, we aim to make PS3 business profitable as soon as possible, by expanding the platform and continuing our cost down measures by reducing the number of components used in the hardware and cutting the cost of key components including semiconductors. However, it's too early to comment on the timing of the turnaround. We have never told Nikkei that "PS3 business will make profit of over 100 billion yen in FY07."

Hardware Functions

Q19. Are there any additional or modified features from E3 last year ?
A19. Please refer to the specification sheet for details.

Q20. You had previously announced that there would be two HDMI ports, but why does the PS3 with the 20GB HDD not have a HDMI port ? Can Blu-ray content be enjoyed in high quality graphics without HDMI ?
A20. High quality HD images can be enjoyed equally with the 20GB HDD product via the AV multi port (1080p output is also possible with the TV equipped with the D5 input). Analog output from BD will be supported until 2011 and all software published until they can be enjoyed. Standardization of visual image output via home network (e.g. DLNA) is also currently under way.

Q21. There were 2 HDMI ports in your original announcement, but why does the 60GB PS3 have only 1 HDMI port ?
A21. Because standardization of image output over the network such as DLNA (Digital Living Network Alliance) is currently under way, it will become possible to transfer images to multiple displays in ways other than using the HDMI port. It is also possible to connect PSP through the network as a secondary display and enjoy PS3 content remotely (although it depends on the software).

Q22. Can you enjoy progressive images with PS and PS2 titles ?
A22. Not only does PS3 convert images from SD to HD, it also converts interlace to progressive images (upward conversion is done by the PS3 system).

Q23. Can you enjoy full HD PS3 software content with a standard TV ?
A23. Not only does PS3 convert images from SD to HD, it also converts 1080p to 720p (downward conversion is done by the PS3 system).

Q24. Is 60GB HDD large enough for PS3 ?
A24. 60GB is 3 times the capacity of Xbox360 and at the moment we consider it enough to save online game data as well as to transfer various data from other PCs and CE/AV products. If there is need in the future, it is also possible to upgrade storage capacity by exchanging HDD to Serial-ATA 2.5" HDD available on the market.

Q25. Why isn't 20GB PS3 equipped with Memory Stick/SD Memory card/Compact Flash slots ?
A25. PS3 is a computer system. Storage devices can be expanded by using adaptors available on the market.

Q26. The 20GB PS3 does not come with Wi-Fi 802.11, but does this mean that it cannot be connected to PSP ?
A26. Home networking is spreading around the world. With the use of widely available wireless LAN adaptor with USB port, connection to PSP is possible.

Q27. Why did you reduce the number of USB ports from 6 to 4 ?
A27. PS3 is a computer system. Number of ports can be expanded by using adaptors available on the market.

Q28. Why did you reduce the number of Ethernet ports from 3 to 1 ?
A28. We had one input (WAN) and two outputs (LAN) in mind, but given that nowadays network connection is spreading within the homes, we considered that one Ethernet connection to a router would be sufficient.

Q29. Will Linux OS be adopted as you have planned ?
A29. Yes. PS3 is a computer system and Linux OS is adopted as one of the standard OSes.

Q30. How much noise reduction level have you achieved ?
A30. Approximately 29dB (A) (equivalent to slim-line PS2).

Controller

Q31. You mention that PS3 adopts a breakthrough six-axis sensing system that lets you control intuitively as if the controller has become part of your body. How does this work ?
A31. "3-posture-axis" of roll, pitch and yaw, plus "3-dimension acceleration information (X, Y and Z)" can be detected in high-precision and in real-time (no more specific details to be given).

Q32. Why did you change the design of the controller to that of PS and PS2 ?
A32. We received many feedback after E3 last year and created the PS3 controller by refining and improving the world's most popular Playstation controller that shipped more than several hundred million units worldwide, while inheriting its basic concept and design.

Q33. Can the new features be enjoyed with all PS3 titles ?
A33. It depends on the title, but we expect that software developers would proactively make use of the new PS3 controller.

Q34. You say that PS3 provides backward compatibility of PS and PS2 titles, but would you insist that you offer complete backward compatibility even if vibration feature does not work ?
A34. There is no major difference in gameplay even without the vibration feature. We hope a lot of users will support the new PS3 controller with new ways of enjoyment.

Q35. The controllers shown at the booth are all wired, but will the actual product be wireless ?
A35. Yes. We are using wired controllers since there is too much interference with so many wireless devices on the show floor.

Q36. Will PSP be used as a remote controller ?
A36. We will consider the possibility.

PS3 Software

Q37. We hear rumors from software developers that there are not enough development tools being shipped. Is this true ?
A37. As evident with many game titles demonstrated at E3, development of PS3 titles is duty in progress.

Q38. How much is the estimated price range of the software titles for PS3 ? Is it the same price as PS2 ?
A38. As a platform holder, we are not in a position to comment on this. As a first party title developer/publisher, we assume a wider price range since software can be delivered through various media including packaged discs and network.

Q39. Are all titles shown at E3 (press conference and booth) launch titles ?
A39. Many of the playable titles shown at E3 are likely to be released at or around launch. Some titles shown as (demo) video may also become launch titles.

Q40. Do all titles shown at E3 support 1080p ?
A40. "Gran Turismo HD E3 2006" is demonstrated at 1080p with frame rate of 60 frames per second. As for other titles, some are 1080p and some 720p.

Q41. How many launch titles do you expect to have ?
A41. We expect the best launch line-up in history.



Technology

Blu-ray Disc (BD)

The PS3 will be one of the first BD players on the market with full "BD Live" capability (the ability to access the internet from within the disc and download additional content to the player's internal memory - as well as the ability to enjoy unique, "web-enabled" interactive features, such as bringing up web sites, actor information and bios and related topics in windows (picture in picture) whilst continuing to play the main movie.

The marketing tagline for Blu-ray is Beyond High Definition. The key messaging to support this is :

More High-Def Content
90% of major Hollywood studios, the world's two largest music companies, PLAYSTATION 3 and leading gaming companies all support BD. That means more HD movies, more HD concerts, more HD games and more for you !

More Hi-Def Capabilities
Full 1080p resolution, up to 7.1 channels of surround sound, 50GB of storage capacity, real time internet and network connectivity and interactivity and backwards compatibility with existing DVD libraries.

More Hi-Def Products
Over 85% of the leading consumer electronics companies and the four largest PC brands all support BD.

Region Coding

BD region coding is a simplified version of the DVD region coding system. For BD, the regions are :

Region A - USA and Japan
Region B - Europe, Australia and New Zealand and most of the old PAL territories
Region C - Russia and Asia

BDA specifications stipulate that all BD players, including PLAYSTATION 3, must incorporate region coding and will be single region. It is up to content providers whether or not to apply region coding to their content - all PLAYSTATION 3 games will be region free and will therefore play on any PLAYSTATION 3 regardless of where it was bought.

Controller

The technical description of the Controller from the press release is :

"The controller for PS3 employs a breakthrough technology of high-precision, highly sensitive six-axis sensing system that does not require any devices other than the controller itself for seamless interactive operation, thus eliminating additional setting to TVs. With this technology, ways to enjoy PS3 will be further enhanced by accessing PS3 through the network, while retaining the six-axis sensing capability. In addition to "3-posture-axis" of roll, pitch and yaw, "3-dimension acceleration information (X, Y and Z)" can be detected in high-precision and in real-time. In addition to standard key input available in existing controllers, more natural and more intuitive manipulation will become possible as if the controller has become part of your body."

This is an overly technical description, and there is a need to simplify the USP for consumers in terms of features and benefits. The new PS3 controller employs cutting edge technology and is a major and key element of the overall PS3 package.

What this means for users is :

-- The new controller for PS3 enables the user to direct characters, vehicles, aircraft and other game elements in the Yaw, Pitch and Roll axes (3 of the six axes mentioned above) without the use of the traditional directional buttons.
-- In addition, the controller's sensors can detect acceleration in each of the above axes (providing the remaining 3 axes), allowing the user to determine the speed of movement of the object being controlled.
-- There us no requirement for any additional sensors in front of the display.
-- The new controller will also allow users to freely navigate the PS3 controls as well as access, move around and operate the PS3's navigation system (Cross Media Bar) using the same sensor based control system.
-- PS3 will come with a single controller
-- Up to 8 controllers can be used

Not all "Day 1" games will employ the innovative features of the controller, but over time, every developer will use the features.

Have you been forced into this "six-axis" approach by losing the "DualShock Vibration" court case against Immersion ?
Not at all. The technology used for the DualShock is now almost 10 years old. Whilst it was revolutionary when PS One launched, technology has moved on, and SCE is always at the forefront of the technology wave. For the PS3 controller, we are using breakthrough technology, right at the cutting edge of what is possible today.

Software

What about the media reports we have seen suggesting that not all PS2 and PS One titles will be backwards compatible ?
Kutaragi San made clear at the Playstation Business Meeting in March that all titles that complied with the TRC (Technical Requirements Checklist) - essentially a blueprint of how to develop a game on the Playstation platform, would be backwards compatible. Nothing has changed from that statement.

In a few instances, developers have applied short cuts or workrounds in the development process to extract the maximum performance from their games. In some cases, these may be not fully comply with the TRC and additional work may be required to make these titles compatible. Our target nevertheless remains 100% backwards compatibility.

The lack of a vibration function when playing PS One or PS2 games on the PS3 does not affect the gameplay (and we can therefore say that there is full backwards compatibiliy).


SCEE E3 MESSAGING DOCUMENT

This document provides some potentially useful sound bites and perspectives on the announcements to be made at E3. It is not exhaustive, and should be read in conjunction with the PS3 Q&A. The key points about PS3 are :

-- PS3 is being positioned as a computer system, and not a computer entertainment system. Like other computer systems, it can be upgraded through the use of readily available industry standard adaptors.
-- There will therefore be two initial configurations of PS3, not two versions.
-- With the exception of the HDMI socket, every aspect of the 20GB model can be upgraded using readily available, industry standard adaptors.
-- No SCEE decision has yet been taken on the splut of PS3 configurations for the SCEE market.


Hardware

How would you position the difference between the two versions of the PS3 announced this week ?
Firstly, the PS3 is a computer system. There may be two configurations but the key elements are standard - Blu-ray disc, Cell chip, Giga-bit Ethernet to provide an always-on connection to the network, and a pre-installed hard disk drive (HDD) as standard.

The difference between the two versions is more to do with the customer who will buy the PS3. The 60GB HDD version comes fully-equipped to exploit the very latest in HD display technology. It also has a full suite of interfaces (I/O connections), including an HDMI connection which will allow it to support full HD (1080i/1080p) flat panel displays. This version is positioned at the consumer who has either adopted HD, or who is planning tu upgrade to HD display technology in the next few years.

We also recognise that there are many potential PS3 owners out there who are either happy with the quality of their existing TV, or have perhaps recently upgraded to a digital TV and do not plan to upgrade further for the time being - for them an HDMI socket is not essential. For these customers, who will not initially need the PSP/PS3 wireless connectivity, the 20GB version may be more appropriate, and will be better value.

Upgradeability
Like other computer systems, it is possible to upgrade the configuration of the PS3. For both models, it is possible to upgrade the hard disk to any industry standard Serial-ATA 2.5" HDD.

For those with the 20GB version, owners who wish to utilise Memory Stick/SD Memory Card/Compact Flash slots or Wi-Fi 802.11 connectivity to PSP can make use of widely available USB wireless LAN adaptors and other industry standard adaptors. Note : The only non upgradeable element of the 20GB version is the HDMI slot, which can not be added later.

PS3 games will look brilliant on a standard TV, but stunning when viewed on a HD display.

TV Connectivity
The issue of connectivity between the PS3 and the display is very complex and depends on the type of TV (Analog, Digital or HD Ready), the maker of TV (until recently, only Toshiba TVs have component AV connections as standard in Europe, most other Euro TV sets use SCART which can not carry an HD signal) and specification of TV (the very latest HD Ready TV sets have wider connectivity options than earlier HD "capable" TVs from the same manufacturer which may have lacked HDMI), and finally the configuration of the PS3 model purchased.

The issue of which cables to supply with the different configurations of PS3 has yet to be decided.

woundingchaney
07-08-2006, 05:28 PM
Good find and very informative.

VG Aficionado
07-08-2006, 05:37 PM
Great find and +rep! :hugegrin: I think someone should make a summary of the most interesting new and semi-new bits in there, since it's so long. +rep for anyone who does ;)

warmachine
07-08-2006, 05:41 PM
My favourite quote:

BDA specifications stipulate that all BD players, including PLAYSTATION 3, must incorporate region coding and will be single region. It is up to content providers whether or not to apply region coding to their content - all PLAYSTATION 3 games will be region free and will therefore play on any PLAYSTATION 3 regardless of where it was bought.


Wohooo! :thumbr:

^^

Also interesting:

-- Up to 8 controllers can be used
Our target nevertheless remains 100% backwards compatibility.
Analog output from BD will be supported until 2011 and all software published until they can be enjoyed. [for 20GB model]
For both models, it is possible to upgrade the hard disk to any industry standard Serial-ATA 2.5" HDD.
For those with the 20GB version, owners who wish to utilise Memory Stick/SD Memory Card/Compact Flash slots or Wi-Fi 802.11 connectivity to PSP can make use of widely available USB wireless LAN adaptors and other industry standard adaptors. Note : The only non upgradeable element of the 20GB version is the HDMI slot, which can not be added later.

masteratt
07-08-2006, 05:58 PM
Good raed, + Rep.

Who answered these? Feels almost like a BOT ;)

Infernal
07-08-2006, 06:01 PM
I found these points interesting.

Q12. Will the network service be charged ?
A12. Basic services available free for current PCs will be free of charge but content and specific services will be charged from the beginning.
To me that means all standard features that can be accessed in normal online services are free. Such as buddylists, matchmaking, gaming, voice/video chat, and assorted servers (Unlike how somebody (no names) assumed they would charge for each and every feature) and that only extra content will be charged for.
Q29. Will Linux OS be adopted as you have planned ?
A29. Yes. PS3 is a computer system and Linux OS is adopted as one of the standard OSes.
Sounds like a full OS to me, although theres not much to go on.
Q30. How much noise reduction level have you achieved ?
A30. Approximately 29dB (A) (equivalent to slim-line PS2).
Just further confirmation.

Domination
07-08-2006, 08:19 PM
Good read. Very informative, too. Still, there are some missing questions and answers I would have prefered hearing.

Nameless
07-08-2006, 09:27 PM
Very informative post...
All the information is known, but it's good to have it all in one Q&A.

I'm sure MILR is disappointed, because no questions concerning the RSX is listed in the Q&A... ;)

Applefiend
07-08-2006, 09:33 PM
+rep for you

There should be a PS3 FAQ drinking game where you take a swig everytime they say "PS3 is a computer system".

A lot of faqs left out though "Is 3.2/550 the final clock speeds, is there any caching in RSX, yadda yadda".

Maltroph
07-08-2006, 10:25 PM
They keep pushing the fact that its a PC but can i change my OS to windows? can i upgrade my ram? can i play pc games, work on word documents, and print them.?

if i cant do those things i wish they would stop calling it a pc. its starting to get on my nerves

Nameless
07-08-2006, 10:29 PM
They keep pushing the fact that its a PC but can i change my OS to windows? can i upgrade my ram? can i play pc games, work on word documents, and print them.?

if i cant do those things i wish they would stop calling it a pc. its starting to get on my nerves


MEDIA CENTER PC there's a difference...

Goki
07-08-2006, 11:21 PM
Notice whenit talks about OS's itsays "ONE" of the standard OS'es.....

OmniCloud
07-09-2006, 12:32 AM
Good stuff man...One of the questions should have asked about RSX and should've stated after the reaction about losing the Rumble, what does Sony plan to do now? They changed the controller now change this...

GUNDAMSEED
07-09-2006, 12:55 AM
PS3 is looking to be what i always want . A Fix systems so devs can get best out of the hardware while i upgrade other parts to fits my needs.

makeitlookreal
07-09-2006, 01:12 AM
You see, I don't think the RSX and Cell should have been in this faq. Sony should have just updated their specifications from the 2005 E3 with their best guess of what the final specifications would be and add the disclaimer that specifications are subject to change without notice. That would have been the open and straitforward thing to do. However, I'm learning that Sony absolutely loves keeping stuff secret beyond what is even required to protect their intellectual property and so fourth.

I wish I had been able to go to E3 because I would have organized a line of a hundred people to go one by one to a Sony representitive and ask (very politely and nicely) over, and over, and over again about the RSX and Cell specifications being deleted until he at least gave a satisfactory answer. I'm just surprised that more people at E3 didn't ask more specific questions about the deletion.

DC_613
07-09-2006, 01:26 AM
lol very insistant on it being a PC. As for changing OS's theres still some "computers" that you still can not change the OS is...... see how i didnt say PC or MAC...

OmniCloud
07-09-2006, 01:34 AM
You see, I don't think the RSX and Cell should have been in this faq. Sony should have just updated their specifications from the 2005 E3 with their best guess of what the final specifications would be and add the disclaimer that specifications are subject to change without notice. That would have been the open and straitforward thing to do. However, I'm learning that Sony absolutely loves keeping stuff secret beyond what is even required to protect their intellectual property and so fourth.
You are defintely persistant MILR on your RSX quest...lol Like Nameless was saying in another thread tho-it all comes down to the software. And if MGS3, ZoE2, GoW, and FFXll can be done of PS2-I don't think we'll have anything to worry about with PS3. Just think about this, even if worst comes to worst and RSX is limited to roughly half of it's performance, will we even see it in the games? I doubt it. Just look at 2nd gen 360 games as proof of that. The software in these 2 systems, and even the Wii will be very impressive and will keep getting better every year. And with Cell you'll still have some games that are just not going to be done on any other system. Continue your search my friend-and please believe I'll REP the hell outta you when you find it-but don't worry too much bro...

Beenie Man
07-09-2006, 01:50 AM
It would be quiet sad if the specs aren't much different from last years' and MILR's search would have been a waste of his time.

Mitri
07-09-2006, 03:23 AM
Q20. You had previously announced that there would be two HDMI ports, but why does the PS3 with the 20GB HDD not have a HDMI port ? Can Blu-ray content be enjoyed in high quality graphics without HDMI ?
A20. High quality HD images can be enjoyed equally with the 20GB HDD product via the AV multi port (1080p output is also possible with the TV equipped with the D5 input). Analog output from BD will be supported until 2011 and all software published until they can be enjoyed. Standardization of visual image output via home network (e.g. DLNA) is also currently under way.

say for instance the ps3 core sells 50% of the total ps3's sold. does that mean that they would be cutting off half of their ps3 customers in 2011 or does that mean the ps3 isn't as future proof as they say and that the ps4 will be coming around that time?

woundingchaney
07-09-2006, 03:32 AM
say for instance the ps3 core sells 50% of the total ps3's sold. does that mean that they would be cutting off half of their ps3 customers in 2011 or does that mean the ps3 isn't as future proof as they say and that the ps4 will be coming around that time?
I dont think thats really the issue, many early adopters of the PS3 that purchase the basic sku arent going to be interested in using their BR playback and I seriously doubt anyone is still using the PS3 as a BR player in 2011 (that is if the format survives).

What I want to know is just how confirmed and set in stone this 2010 - 2011 time frame that Im hearing really is.

Domination
07-09-2006, 03:37 AM
say for instance the ps3 core sells 50% of the total ps3's sold. does that mean that they would be cutting off half of their ps3 customers in 2011 or does that mean the ps3 isn't as future proof as they say and that the ps4 will be coming around that time?

Most likely, the next PlayStation will be coming around that time. Still, though, with the lack of HDMI, some consumers will be cut off by 2011. But then Sony will also have a remodeled PlayStation by that time as well - most likely a cheaper, slimmer version. So I don't think it'll really matter. In any case, the cheaper version is for those most concerned about the games and not full HDTV experience anyway.

yoshaw
07-09-2006, 04:10 AM
Most likely, the next PlayStation will be coming around that time. Still, though, with the lack of HDMI, some consumers will be cut off by 2011. But then Sony will also have a remodeled PlayStation by that time as well - most likely a cheaper, slimmer version. So I don't think it'll really matter. In any case, the cheaper version is for those most concerned about the games and not full HDTV experience anyway.

Allow me to add something to that. By 2011-12. Supposedly the same period when the HDCP protection goes into full effect.

Whenever that happens, our electronic market would be flooded with cheap but decent Bluray disc players. Players that would cost anywhere between $99-$150 IMO. So any doubt or fear of PS3's going obsolete by that time is unwarranted. People would have cheap alternatives they can look upto and by the year 2011, PS3 would be (IMO) the reigning champion again with blockbuster games like the current-gen. So any complaints of Bluray would be moot by then. People would be too busy worrying about the next videogames purchase than to worry about their bluray capability going defunct.

My 3 VHS players each lived 4 years maximum. So I'd hardly complain if any of my DVD players lives 5-6 years anyway. I have one DVD player I bought like 2 years ago for $99 and if it lives 6 years. It'd be worth the money. Bluray in PS3(with CELL/RSX etc) is like $50-100 to us in cost out of 500! So a $50 PS3 Bluray player living uptil 2011. Who the fuck won't be happy? :rockon:

Red_Eyes
07-09-2006, 04:58 AM
Q29. Will Linux OS be adopted as you have planned ?
A29. Yes. PS3 is a computer system and Linux OS is adopted as one of the standard OSes.

So... Linux is ONE of the standard OS huh? I wonder what the other standard OS is? MacOS?

Q22. Can you enjoy progressive images with PS and PS2 titles ?
A22. Not only does PS3 convert images from SD to HD, it also converts interlace to progressive images (upward conversion is done by the PS3 system).

Cool. Let's hope the PS3 anti-aliase all PS1 and PS2 games or at least provide some image enhancing stuff.

Mitri
07-09-2006, 05:05 AM
I dont think thats really the issue, many early adopters of the PS3 that purchase the basic sku arent going to be interested in using their BR playback and I seriously doubt anyone is still using the PS3 as a BR player in 2011 (that is if the format survives).

i want to know how people can say or assume what people will and will not use. i still use my ps2/xbox for my main dvd player. i never bought a full fledged dvd player. if i get the ps3 it will be my main blu ray player. with no intention of getting a full fledged blu ray player.

OmniCloud
07-09-2006, 05:14 AM
Allow me to add something to that. By 2011-12. Supposedly the same period when the HDCP protection goes into full effect.

Whenever that happens, our electronic market would be flooded with cheap but decent Bluray disc players. Players that would cost anywhere between $99-$150 IMO. So any doubt or fear of PS3's going obsolete by that time is unwarranted. People would have cheap alternatives they can look upto and by the year 2011, PS3 would be (IMO) the reigning champion again with blockbuster games like the current-gen. So any complaints of Bluray would be moot by then. People would be too busy worrying about the next videogames purchase than to worry about their bluray capability going defunct.

My 3 VHS players each lived 4 years maximum. So I'd hardly complain if any of my DVD players lives 5-6 years anyway. I have one DVD player I bought like 2 years ago for $99 and if it lives 6 years. It'd be worth the money. Bluray in PS3(with CELL/RSX etc) is like $50-100 to us in cost out of 500! So a $50 PS3 Bluray player living uptil 2011. Who the fuck won't be happy?

The 2 Sku's by Sony aren't dumb at all! The only reason Xbox core was ridiculed was because of the Hdd. Both PS3's have one. I know a lot of people who just bought a flat screen TV and don't plan on upgrading for quite some time. And by the looks of things, when the time comse for Blu-Ray (if it is successful) to upgrade and the lower PS3 gets affected by this-it'll be like 6-7 years from now and Blu-ray players will be cheap anyway. Seriously-who's PS2 is there main DVD player? LOL. PS3 is just going to be a cheap Blu-ray to get it into the household and get people buying Blu-ray dvd's...
my thoughts exactly Yoshaw-just read my earlier comment...Mitri son..I think your in the minority dude-EVERYONE has bought a couple DVD players by now man..

Xerxes
07-09-2006, 05:16 AM
2011-2012??!! 499.99 SKU for me!

Applefiend
07-09-2006, 05:21 AM
It is worth considering that the PS2 first came out with just one basic model, then came out with a new model that could playback burnable media, had built in remote + 480p DVD playback, + network, then a final PS2 that was perfect for casual gamers. Cheap, small...

Sony will built PS3s adapted to whatever they think suits the market best. The two SKus seem like pretty good bets.

Mitri
07-09-2006, 05:47 AM
my thoughts exactly Yoshaw-just read my earlier comment...Mitri son..I think your in the minority dude-EVERYONE has bought a couple DVD players by now man..

i'm 17. i have a job. i could buy one. i jus chose to save space and didn't buy a dvd player cuz i had one right there. there is no point in buying a blu ray player that aint no better than the one you already have. ya dig.

OmniCloud
07-09-2006, 05:53 AM
i feel u son..for a while PS3 will be the best Blu-ray player, but in 2010 and 2011 it'll be hard not to pick up another player-especially after the Blu-ray disc began being down-scaled on the old PS3s'.

DC_613
07-09-2006, 10:27 AM
Well the bit that totally piqued the movie buff in me was the bit about Blu-Ray Live on PS3

The PS3 will be one of the first BD players on the market with full "BD Live" capability (the ability to access the internet from within the disc and download additional content to the player's internal memory - as well as the ability to enjoy unique, "web-enabled" interactive features, such as bringing up web sites, actor information and bios and related topics in windows (picture in picture) whilst continuing to play the main movie.

That sounds the bidness and will definetly give the PS3 the edge of a straight out Blu-Ray player if there was a choice to make, well for me anyways.

It just sounds really really great that all this is in one box, its made up for the price of itself and then some.

bilbobob007
07-09-2006, 09:23 PM
They keep pushing the fact that its a PC but can i change my OS to windows? can i upgrade my ram? can i play pc games, work on word documents, and print them.?

if i cant do those things i wish they would stop calling it a pc. its starting to get on my nerves

Why the hell would any sane person want windows! And as for a pc been a pc only if it has windows and word ect. Well Billy boy would welcome you with open arms thru the GATES of hell. Christ on a bike next you will want it to play 360 and wii games. Have you any idea what actually makes a pc a pc. Try wikipedia or somewhere like it for a definition of what a pc is.

Going away now to scratch my head at the amazing statements some people make!

gljvd
07-09-2006, 10:07 PM
So... Linux is ONE of the standard OS huh? I wonder what the other standard OS is? MacOS?



The other is sony's custom os for game code and for its online service.

Just like the dreamcast that had sega's os and then windows ce on it .

The sony os will be a very low lvl stripped down os vs the robust os but slower linux .


As for apple , your not going to see thier os on tihs system , they had the chance to look at IBM's future chips and decided to drop them for intel cpus . They saw and (jobs ) commented on the cell and dogged it , they picked intel. I doubt they would then go ahead and rewrite the kernals and code for the cell chip .

Domination
07-10-2006, 03:39 AM
i'm 17. i have a job. i could buy one. i jus chose to save space and didn't buy a dvd player cuz i had one right there. there is no point in buying a blu ray player that aint no better than the one you already have. ya dig.

This is why there are two seperate version, Mitri. If you care that much about the full quality of Blu Ray, the more advance version is ready and waiting. The lower priced version is only for those not caring much about the console as a full media center, but rather games.

OmniCloud
07-10-2006, 04:05 AM
This is why there are two seperate version, Mitri. If you care that much about the full quality of Blu Ray, the more advance version is ready and waiting. The lower priced version is only for those not caring much about the console as a full media center, but rather games.
Exactly-but I think it should've been priced $100 lower to match 360 but that's just me.

That sounds the bidness and will definetly give the PS3 the edge of a straight out Blu-Ray player if there was a choice to make, well for me anyways.
Yea...this was a standout point for me as well. I'll be able to go online through a blu-ray disc to access the web and more content? Sounds incredible to me! I hope Blu-ray get's a big enough market share to stay in buisness cuz it seems like Sony is really trying to push the envelope with this new format.

Domination
07-10-2006, 04:28 AM
Exactly-but I think it should've been priced $100 lower to match 360 but that's just me.


Yea...this was a standout point for me as well. I'll be able to go online through a blu-ray disc to access the web and more content? Sounds incredible to me! I hope Blu-ray get's a big enough market share to stay in buisness cuz it seems like Sony is really trying to push the envelope with this new format.

For the average consumer, yes, I agree. But seeing how the base unit is superior to the premium 360, there is a reason for higher price. The key is getting the average consumer to realise this, which I believe is going to be very difficult right out the door.

gljvd
07-10-2006, 04:43 AM
For the average consumer, yes, I agree. But seeing how the base unit is superior to the premium 360, there is a reason for higher price. The key is getting the average consumer to realise this, which I believe is going to be very difficult right out the door.

Once again , incorrect . Both ahve features the other doesn't have. The value is in the eye of the behold and the needs that person has .

Infernal
07-10-2006, 05:08 AM
Well Dom said nothing about value, just pure superiority (other than games, because thats an opinion I guess). So actually he is correct.

Domination
07-10-2006, 05:15 AM
Once again , incorrect . Both ahve features the other doesn't have. The value is in the eye of the behold and the needs that person has .

Gljvd, you can believe whatever it is you'd like. I have no problem with that. But I think I've researched enough to know the differences between these two platforms, and from what I've gathered, the base PlayStation IS superior to the premium 360. If you feel the need to toss in games, that's fine. If you feel the need to compare preferences, I can go along with that as well. But you are wrong if you think both systems are equal as a unit in tech because they are not.

Viano
07-10-2006, 07:49 AM
Gljvd, you can believe whatever it is you'd like. I have no problem with that. But I think I've researched enough to know the differences between these two platforms, and from what I've gathered, the base PlayStation IS superior to the premium 360. If you feel the need to toss in games, that's fine. If you feel the need to compare preferences, I can go along with that as well. But you are wrong if you think both systems are equal as a unit in tech because they are not.

ok I am waiting jvd to get pissed off lol.

but seriously, jvd please don't turn another thread to the trust-me-ya'll-wrong thread, LOL.

VG Aficionado
07-10-2006, 09:13 AM
but seriously, jvd please don't turn another thread to the trust-me-ya'll-wrong thread, LOL.That does sound like jvd.

Yet another thread where he had to bring 360 in. We do not f****** care about 360 here! This is a PS3 forum!

Coded-Dude
07-10-2006, 07:00 PM
Q13. Are the specifications and design final ?
A13. Very close to final.

my name is Nobody
07-10-2006, 09:15 PM
So it does 7.1 sound I read in a magazine that was downgraded. They mentioned BD live I wish they would talk about it some more it seems like
a great feature.
If this document is real and not fake Sony should of released it to the
media it might have stopped alot of erroneous reports and cleared some
misconceptions up.

Xerxes
07-11-2006, 12:57 AM
Cool. Now I don't have to buy the 600 PS3 to get 1080i.

Black Dragon37
07-11-2006, 01:20 AM
I dont think thats really the issue, many early adopters of the PS3 that purchase the basic sku arent going to be interested in using their BR playback and I seriously doubt anyone is still using the PS3 as a BR player in 2011 (that is if the format survives).

What I want to know is just how confirmed and set in stone this 2010 - 2011 time frame that Im hearing really is.
What they actaully mean is that ICTs aren't implemented into the PS3. Because of this, there was a danger that anyone playing blu-ray (and HD-DVD for that matter) without ICTs would only see it at SD max. So it was agreed that there would be no ICTs until at least 2010.

Domination
07-11-2006, 03:00 AM
Cool. Now I don't have to buy the 600 PS3 to get 1080i.

I believe you mean 1080p. Resolutions like 1080i and many others below it are already pretty common on the market.

Mitri
07-11-2006, 03:43 AM
:grouphug: Yet another thread where he had to bring 360 in. We do not f****** care about 360 here! This is a PS3 forum!

why would you say something like that in here? i thought this was a unbiased forum. evers since i've been here everyone has accepted my xbox preference. and since 360 is competition to your halo'd ps3 you have to care.

This is why there are two seperate version, Mitri. If you care that much about the full quality of Blu Ray, the more advance version is ready and waiting. The lower priced version is only for those not caring much about the console as a full media center, but rather games.

i can get the more expensive version. i'm not really talking about me. i'm talking about the average, non internet website reading, my friend has one so i'lll get on to(i represent the mass uninformed people. come to me my children :grouphug:) consumer. what if the blu ray format is a success and that restriction comes. the people(the ones that i spoke of earlier) arent't going to be able to watch spiderman 6 in it's hd glory. because the restriction came and they bought the hdmi-less version.

Domination
07-11-2006, 05:08 AM
:grouphug:

why would you say something like that in here? i thought this was a unbiased forum. evers since i've been here everyone has accepted my xbox preference. and since 360 is competition to your halo'd ps3 you have to care.



i can get the more expensive version. i'm not really talking about me. i'm talking about the average, non internet website reading, my friend has one so i'lll get on to(i represent the mass uninformed people. come to me my children :grouphug:) consumer. what if the blu ray format is a success and that restriction comes. the people(the ones that i spoke of earlier) arent't going to be able to watch spiderman 6 in it's hd glory. because the restriction came and they bought the hdmi-less version.

I agree about the Xbox comment. I just don't feel that it should be brought up in every single thread as a reason to drag other competitive rivals through the mud. An act like this only creats turmoil. That is my only gripe with these kinds of debates, that and unwillingness to accept when there is something wrong with the other side.

On the Blu Ray side of things, it's like I said before, only those worried about the console as a complete media center are likely to be the ones to purchase the more expensive version. But I believe as time progress, cheaper, more HDMI compatible models will emerge on the shelves in the future similiar to the PS2 when it first launched without progressive scan in early models but later adopted it a year down the road or before it had a built-in network adapter but recieved it four years later in a slimmer version. By the expired date, those still worried can upgrade much easier if they hadn't moved onto the next-generation console by that time.

VG Aficionado
07-11-2006, 09:29 AM
I agree about the Xbox comment. I just don't feel that it should be brought up in every single thread as a reason to drag other competitive rivals through the mud. An act like this only creats turmoil. That is my only gripe with these kinds of debates, that and unwillingness to accept when there is something wrong with the other side.@ Mitri: that's what I meant, even if I didn't express myself correctly (that was aimed at a particular "person"). I do respect everyone else's opinion and the fact that they may prefer systems other than PS3, but this is not a forum to compare 360 to PS3 anytime there's a chance to do it (even less when it's uncalled-for), and to do it in a way always unfavourable to PS3, to the extent of telling lies and becoming blind upon evidence of the contrary. By that token, I could go to the Wii forum, scorn every single game and post in every thread that PS3's power is superior to Wii's, despite Wii being a different gaming concept, and laugh at everyone who tried to be reasonable with me, but that would be just wrong. However, there's "someone" here who can't understand he's in a very similar situation :duh: He must love being such an idiot.

C'mon, no more derailing. This Q&A got me thrilled about PS3 even more. Every game will be region free, PS3 can use external devices, Linux could (or will :)) be an standard OS, same free online services as PC's, conversion of PS1 and PS2 games interlaced output to progressive scan, and much more!

Mitri
07-11-2006, 09:48 AM
A3. This model comes in one color (clear black) only. There may be color variations in the future.

does that mean i'll get to see the blu ray spin?