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Coded-Dude
07-11-2006, 08:08 PM
Microsoft puts end to Windows 98 support

From Tuesday, Microsoft will no longer issue security updates or provide support for Windows 98 and Windows ME, which are still being used by more than 50 million people.

Eight years after launching Windows 98, Microsoft is finally washing its hands of updating and plugging security gaps in the aging operating system.

The software giant originally planned to pull the plug in January 2004, but decided to extend support because of the increasing competition from Linux.

This time round, Microsoft is hoping that the remaining users of Windows 98 and Windows Millennium Edition will upgrade to Windows XP, according to Peter Watson, chief security advisor, Microsoft Australia.
If Microsoft sees a Win9x attack in the wild in the next few months, we would not be surprised if they issued a fix.
--Michael Silver, research vp of client platforms, Gartner

"Microsoft works closely with leading retailers to undertake promotions such as upgrade discounts to encourage users to upgrade to Windows XP," Watson told ZDNet Australia.

Analyst firms estimate that there are still between 50 million and 70 million computers running Windows 95, 98 or ME.

Hardest hit by the cancellation of support will be home users and schools, according to Michael Silver, research vice president of client platforms at research group Gartner, who agrees that support has been extended to fight off the threat from Linux.

"Consumers and schools will be most affected by this announcement because they will no longer get security fixes," Silver told ZDNet Australia. "I suspect that Microsoft's original extension of the Windows 98 support date a couple of years ago was, in part, to make sure Linux was not brought in to replace these systems."

Silver believes that as far as the overall security landscape goes, the prospect of millions of unsupported PCs is a "cause for concern." In addition, he said Microsoft may be pressured into creating a fix if there is a serious virus outbreak.

"Microsoft has not fixed every hole in Win9x, but I'm not sure they've been attacked, either. If Microsoft sees a Win9x attack in the wild in the next few months, we would not be surprised if they issued a fix--wide-scale outages are not good for their customers or for Microsoft--but since there is no automatic update, users may not be able to get the fix in time," said Silver.

Silver believes that some users may decide to switch to Linux instead of upgrading to XP, but he said existing applications that require Windows are likely to stop a mass-migration.

"School PCs are likely more at risk. Win9x PCs used regularly on the Internet need up to date security software. Some of these users--companies, schools and governments--may switch to Linux or Mac, but application issues often makes that an expensive option," Silver said.

Dropping support justified
Microsoft's Watson said consumers have the choice to use any version of Windows and dismissed any suggestion that Microsoft has a responsibility to secure older versions of its software.

"This issue is not unique to the IT industry. For example, there are many people on the road who choose to drive the latest cars with the latest safety features, such as ABS brakes and air bags. But at the same time, there are many others who are happy driving their cars which may not have these features," he said.

"It is not the responsibility of automotive manufacturers to have their customers acquire the latest technology. This is the same issue for makers of mobile phones, washing machines, dishwashers, TVs, fridges, radios and so on," Watson said.

However, Watson said Microsoft would try to "encourage" users of Win9x systems to upgrade to XP.

"Microsoft encourages users to upgrade to Windows XP and provides information which helps educate users on the benefits of upgrading, but it is ultimately the customer's choice," he added.

Gartner's Silver said that although there are still millions of Windows 9x users, compared with alternative operating system vendors, Microsoft's support schedules are still "better than most."

"Most software vendors and hardware vendors are no longer developing Win9x drivers for their new products--and have not been for some time now. Further, most free Linux distributions are supported for a year, some for two. Microsoft has supported Win98 for eight years, 98SE for seven years, and Windows ME for six years," he said.

"These do not meet Microsoft's current enterprise standard of 10 years--they shipped before the 10-year policy--but they're better than most," Silver added.

Crow
07-11-2006, 08:13 PM
i use Windows Crayola (XP)

Eidorian
07-11-2006, 09:35 PM
And all those grandmothers will continue to use Windows 98 until their computers die.

NoZ
07-11-2006, 10:37 PM
The only need for 98 is running it on my xbox.

speed stick
07-11-2006, 11:25 PM
I think this was the right thing to do. Its almost 10 years ago 98 came out. Microsoft can spend their money in more useful places. You don't see apple supporting there OS's back more then 3 years.

Garfunkel
07-12-2006, 03:47 AM
there is quite alot of people turning to linux lately! just a browse on digg reveals many stories.

Teh Roxor!
07-12-2006, 04:33 AM
I don't see why this will make people use Linux. People that are still using windows 98 will probably just keep using windows 98.

Garfunkel
07-12-2006, 10:15 AM
well if they get hacked and cant afford the just-as-insecure xp or vista will consider linux.

Eidorian
07-12-2006, 07:14 PM
well if they get hacked and cant afford the just-as-insecure xp or vista will consider linux.How many people that are still using Windows 98 are up on security? We're talking older users that were lucky to get Windows 98 or someone stuck with it for program compatibility.

Infernal
07-13-2006, 03:32 AM
I dont think the people that are still using Windows 98 even know what Linux is...

Coded-Dude
07-13-2006, 05:18 PM
you guys assume to much.............a lot of people on windows 98 are there because they have older PC's that don't support newer OSes. Linux generally runs great on said machines. So, these people are gonna find antoehr solution(stumble across/switch to - linux) or buy new hardware and a new version of Windows. One of those options is alot more expensive than the other.

Eidorian
07-13-2006, 08:20 PM
you guys assume to much.............a lot of people on windows 98 are there because they have older PC's that don't support newer OSes. Linux generally runs great on said machines. So, these people are gonna find antoehr solution(stumble across/switch to - linux) or buy new hardware and a new version of Windows. One of those options is alot more expensive than the other.Wow, they're going to buy another Windows PC or get it fixed. Even I find a certain limit to running Linux on older hardware. I'm not trying to kill myself with frustration.

Coded-Dude
07-13-2006, 08:36 PM
Wow, they're going to buy another Windows PC or get it fixed.
I don't quite understand what you are tryign to say but; the point I was trying to make is:
Linux is much better at supporting OLD hardware, whereas other operating systems REQUIRE up-to-date hardware. Oine reason many people stick with 98. THey are happy with their Pentium 1'/2's........ =-o

Eidorian
07-13-2006, 08:55 PM
I don't quite understand what you are tryign to say but; the point I was trying to make is:
Linux is much better at supporting OLD hardware, whereas other operating systems REQUIRE up-to-date hardware. Oine reason many people stick with 98. THey are happy with their Pentium 1'/2's........ =-oWindows 98 is GOOD at running on OLD hardware too. I don't see a mass exodus of Windows 98 users to Linux so they can continue using their OLD hardware.

Coded-Dude
07-13-2006, 11:34 PM
I see, you think its more likely they will finally buy a new computer and upgrade to XP, or jsut stay with 98, and not have any more updates? Time will tell.......

Garfunkel
07-14-2006, 03:57 AM
well i know this sounds satanic but lets hope they all get hacked so that atleast some of them will join the light!

Ethan
07-14-2006, 04:38 AM
I love Windows 98SE. Good times.

Garfunkel
07-14-2006, 04:49 AM
windows 2k was the only one that i liked

Eidorian
07-14-2006, 08:21 PM
http://bink.nu/Article7745.bink

Coded-Dude
07-14-2006, 08:33 PM
so now instead of buying new hardware(which generally coems with new software) they jsut have to buy new software.

WHY! when the software you need is free?

interesitng link nonetheless(+rep)

Eidorian
07-14-2006, 08:36 PM
so now instead of buying new hardware(which generally coems with new software) they jsut have to buy new software.

WHY! when the software you need is free?

interesitng link nonetheless(+rep)Microsoft appears to be selling a slimmed down version of XP for legacy hardware. It keeps people from switching to Linux. I don't think many Windows 98 users will think a free operating system would be better then coughing up more money for Legacy XP.

Coded-Dude
07-18-2006, 05:49 PM
In OTHER news; if you do decide to run linux then microsoft still wants to be on teh back burner......

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) on Monday said it is teaming up with Linux supplier XenSource to allow computers to run the upcoming version of Microsoft's Windows server operating system on computers that are simultaneously running Linux software.FULL STORY - (foxnews) (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,204121,00.html)

Garfunkel
07-19-2006, 05:17 AM
wow, that legacy OS deosn't look bad, looks pretty much like vanilla xp, but a lot faster.

but i bet its just as crap

@dude
has it appeared to you that Microsoft mey have finally recgnised the innevitable, Linux taking over, they kinda seem to be giving up and joining Linux. There was a story on CNET maybe a week ago that said that many of M$'s download servers were running Redhat or similar

Eidorian
07-19-2006, 05:28 AM
wow, that legacy OS deosn't look bad, looks pretty much like vanilla xp, but a lot faster.

but i bet its just as crap

@dude
has it appeared to you that Microsoft mey have finally recgnised the innevitable, Linux taking over, they kinda seem to be giving up and joining Linux. There was a story on CNET maybe a week ago that said that many of M$'s download servers were running Redhat or similarNo it seems that Microsoft needs to compete much more effectively with VMWare. Virtual PC was created to please enterprise users. They don't like switching large enterprise machines over to REAL machines so they test via virtual ones.

Benson
07-19-2006, 05:40 AM
I can't fathom that anyone still running Windows 98 has the knowledge about computing to handle a switch such as the switch to Linux.

If you were still running a Windows 98 machine, you probably don't have much need for anything fancy, or you just don't understand the way that technology advances or something. If you haven't switched to Windows XP, your computer either doesn't handle it, or you just don't understand enough to realize it's needed. Overall, I can't see this being a huge winfall for Linux.