Football Season!!

[Chris]

In ten minutes, football season officially begins with the first preseason game, the Hall of Fame game between the Eagles and the Raiders!! FINALLY!!

[the poe collector]

hells yeah

I don't like either team but I could care less who plays

ABOUT DAMN TIME FOR FOOTBALL!

[Chris]

Agreed, it's not really about who's playing, it's about the principal of the matter. FOOTBALL!!

[Zac]

It's kind of hard to get into your own team's preseason games, much less one with two teams you don't care about

[the poe collector]

I know what you're saying, I usually get bored with preseason pretty quick, but I'm just happy the season is finally starting

Raiders win, hahahahahaha

[goku2057]

Agreed, it's not really about who's playing, it's about the principal of the matter. FOOTBALL!!


You have my respect back.

[the poe collector]

anybody watching the games on tonight?

Cleveland at Philadelphia
Indianapolis at St. Louis

I'll probably watch the Colts game...suprised the Eagles are playing again

[Chris]

I'll probably tune into the beginning of the Colts game, I have trouble watching other teams backups because I don't know much about them. I'll watch the Giants game in it's entirety tomorrow, can't friggin wait.

[the poe collector]

yeah I think McNabb was in for like 2 drives maybe in the Hall of Fame game. I'll still probably end up watching the whole game though.

[Marlins]

Finally!!! Football!!!

[the poe collector]

Steelers beat the Dolphins 28-17 in the opener last night.

Pittsburgh did a lot better than I thought they would with Roethlisberger out.

[Crosman]

Hopefully my team can pull of a better year then the last. << The Packers

All the players are supposly healthy, Defence is tuned up with the add ons of Aj Hawk and the all time best CB from Michigan Charles Woodson.

GO PACK GO.

[the poe collector]

If Woodson can stay healthy the defense should be really improved

I'd like to see Favre go out with a great season, but I think the Packers are going to only win a few more than last year.

[Crosman]

Well, after yesterday they might get lucky to even win a game.

They couldn't even put up a feild goal.

[the poe collector]

I guess Ahman Green did pretty good running. I thought the score would be closer but then again I thought the same thing with the Bucs.

That was just painful to watch.

[goku2057]

Yet, I watched the whole thing. It's going to be a very, very, very long season for me.


If the o-line can't give Favre more coverage, we're screwed. He had a decent game up until he started trying to force things in the fourth quarter.

And the defense looks like it has declined since last year.

[Zac]

I thought week 1 was pretty stange as usual.

[Viper]

The Jags stumbled in the first quarter over Dallas and then just took complete control from then on.

[Blade_1876]

this is the year of the Lions Woot!!!!

[Coded-Dude]

it was a good week for away teams(which is bad for fans that go to the games)
Though I am thoroughly excited about a Monday Night double header!

[Zac]

11 of the 16 road teams won this week. That's a lot, considering how tough it is to play in someone else's home opener.

[Chris]

Stupid Giants losing that game, it was right there. Phantom PI call sure, but to throw an INT right after that? Jesus Christ. And then Shockey stays in bounds for an extra TWO YARDS with 25 seconds left and then an ILLEGAL SNAP!?! What is that!? That was without a doubt, one of the worst endings to a game that I've ever watched, and I was there, how disappointing.

[Coded-Dude]

penalties penalties penalties - I myself am a Giants fan, but they seem to always be plagued more by penalties and injuries than lack of performance.......
I am betting on them making th eplayoffs again.

[Chris]

I'm not going to blame the penalties like the PI call, sure it was a bad call, but that doesn't make Eli throw the INT. I WILL blame the Illegal Snap because I have NEVER heard of it and I couldn't even find the penalty at nfl.com so I have no idea what it is, I know what an Illegal Formation is, but a snap?

[Zac]

I think it was an illegal snap because the offensive line wasn't set properly when the ball was snapped

[Coded-Dude]

I would think something like that would either be illegal formation or false start....

[Chris]

I agree, one would think that should be called Illegal Formation because if the lineman isn't set than their wouldn't be enough people on the line of scrimmage, making it an illegal formation.

[PUNK em 733]

It seems sometimes the refs have a bias against the giants. They should have gave it to Tiki more, they way he was running rough shod over the colts, he would have had 200 yds. Even though it was a horrible ending, I still think it's going to be a great season.

[goku2057]

That phantom PI call completely ruined the game. They went from 1st and 10 on the 50, to backed up to their own endzone.

[venomv]

That Giants game ended so crappy, I don't think it is a bias against the Giants....just for the Colts, they tried really hard a few times last year to give Colts the win in the few games they lost.

But my Bears stumped all over the Packers!

[the poe collector]

After how the Bucs got killed last week I can't say I'm expecting them to beat the Falcons but I do think they will play better. I hope our OL doesn't get torn to shit all season.

I'm also rooting for the rest of the NFC South to lose and for the Giants to beat the Eagles.

[venomv]

That supprised the heck out of me, when was the last time the Bucs got beat that bad? And by the Falcons, they aren't a bad team, but are anything but consistant....

[Chris]

GIANTS BABY!! What a comeback!!

[Zac]

The Dolphins surprised me today with how poorly they played. Oakland belongs in the NCAA

[PUNK em 733]

WHOO-HOOOOOOOO!!!!!






GO GMEN!!!


Eli is the new comeback kid...best 4rth quarter QB in the NFL. I just hope we don't have to pressure our offense in the 4rth like that many more times.

[the poe collector]

Bucs lost like I thought they would. At least the Panthers are 0-2 as well and the Giants won.

[Crosman]

The Pack 0-2 :-(

[Chris]

So far the only game I lost this week in my picks is the San Fran/St. Louis game, and while I wanted to pick SF, I just couldn't bring myself to do it.

[Crosman]

I dont blame you.

Weird, San Fran is my brother favorite team....Now hes braging.

How about your Giants. I have Eli Manning, Burress and barber in my fanatasy football leauge.

[Chris]

Manning's gonna get you some serious points this week, and Burress and Barber will give you some decent points too.

[goku2057]

NOt as many as the Favre. I got almost 100 points off him. BURN!

Packers lost, but it was a great game to watch. Why? Because they scored.

[Chris]

Eli: 31/42 72% Completion Pct 371 Yards 3 TDs 1 INT

Farve: 31/55 56% Completion Pct 340 Yards 3 TDs 1 INT

HA!! Eli = more points this week!

But I had Petyon anyway and he had 400 yards and no INTs.

[goku2057]

Actually, not. Favre got more points than Eli, tard.

in our league, you also get .5 points per passing atempt, and 1 for each 20 yards. Favre attempted 13 more passes, and ony lost by 31 yards. So in short, I win.

[Chris]

Oh yeah, we get ridiculous amounts of points, forgot about that. I accidently had the Cleveland D in over the Baltimore D and it cost me like 20 points. And what's with Michael Turner getting so many touches!? What the crap!?

[Crosman]

Favre will get back on track next week against the Lions. packers need to work on their defense and offensive line in order to start winning ball games.

Anyways, mark my words ''Falcons = Superbowl''.

[Chris]

Farve's fine, sure he'll lose some games by throwing some INTs being the gunslinger that he is, but he'll win a lot more than he'll lose. It's the Packers that suck. And I will remember the Falcons reference because they are NOT going to win the Superbowl. Right now the run is their bread and butter and NO team in the Conference Championship is going to give up 300 yards on the ground, unless Vick proves he can throw the ball consistantly, the season will end the same way it always does for Vick, in disappointment.

[PUNK em 733]

Farve's fine, sure he'll lose some games by throwing some INTs being the gunslinger that he is, but he'll win a lot more than he'll lose. It's the Packers that suck. And I will remember the Falcons reference because they are NOT going to win the Superbowl. Right now the run is their bread and butter and NO team in the Conference Championship is going to give up 300 yards on the ground, unless Vick proves he can throw the ball consistantly, the season will end the same way it always does for Vick, in disappointment.


+11111

[Crosman]

Farve's fine, sure he'll lose some games by throwing some INTs being the gunslinger that he is, but he'll win a lot more than he'll lose. It's the Packers that suck. And I will remember the Falcons reference because they are NOT going to win the Superbowl. Right now the run is their bread and butter and NO team in the Conference Championship is going to give up 300 yards on the ground, unless Vick proves he can throw the ball consistantly, the season will end the same way it always does for Vick, in disappointment.


I picked the falcons to win before the season started. Why? becuase now that the vick craze is over he can relax and start to connect with his team. He has been in Atlanta for a while now and is finally getting to know his team better.

As for Favre, he will always be my favorite player regardless how many interceptions he throws, same with the Packers..yeah they suck but so did the Giant at one time. Once the pack get the team back in shape, they will become another dominate force in the NFL.

You can mark those words as well.

[Chris]

I didn't knock on Favre, I said he's still a great QB who's going to throw INTs because of the type of QB that he is, always has and always will. And all teams go through bad phases, I know that, except the god damn Patriots...fuckers.

But I still think Vick is a glorified running back with a hell of an arm, no pocket presense, and no ability to quarterback any team to a Superbowl berth. But that's just my opinion.

[Zac]

Let's see what happens when Atlanta plays a great run defense. I'm not so sure that Vick is a good enough passer to carry the team.

[the poe collector]

I just hate having to see the guy run through the Buc's defense twice a year.

[black arrow]

49ers are going to shock the world and make the playoffs.

[goku2057]

Farve's fine, sure he'll lose some games by throwing some INTs being the gunslinger that he is, but he'll win a lot more than he'll lose. It's the Packers that suck. And I will remember the Falcons reference because they are NOT going to win the Superbowl. Right now the run is their bread and butter and NO team in the Conference Championship is going to give up 300 yards on the ground, unless Vick proves he can throw the ball consistantly, the season will end the same way it always does for Vick, in disappointment.

<3.

The Falcons aren't that great, really. Vick is one of the worst throwing QB's in the league. As you said, his pocket presence is laughable, and he isn't a great decision maker.

Hence the reason the Packers dominated them in the preseason.

The Bucs defense is weak nowadays, but I would LOVE to see them play Baltimore.

[Chris]

49ers are going to shock the world and make the playoffs.

That is just pure blind loyalty, because they beat the Rams you think they'll make the playoffs? No, all they did last week was RUIN my picks that week by dropping my to 15-1 instead of having the 16-0 I deserved.

[PUNK em 733]

But I still think Vick is a glorified running back with a hell of an arm, no pocket presense, and no ability to quarterback any team to a Superbowl berth.

Great minds think alike Chris!:king:


49ers in the playoffs!??!


http://gallery.brawl-hall.com/data/media66542/5/reality.jpg

[black arrow]

That is just pure blind loyalty, because they beat the Rams you think they'll make the playoffs? No, all they did last week was RUIN my picks that week by dropping my to 15-1 instead of having the 16-0 I deserved.

They are a changed team now, They have good a good running game and Alex Smith is getting it together.

Plus the defense that was suppose to be horrible are doing actully OK.

[Zac]

They will be lucky to finish anywhere but last in the divison

[black arrow]

They will be lucky to finish anywhere but last in the divison

NAAAAh they should atleast finish better than the rams and maybe the Cards. If they get lucky they could make wild card.

The way things are going now hard telling who will make the playoffs.

[Zac]

They beat the Rams twice last year, and that wasn't enough to get out of the cellar.

[Chris]

They are a changed team now, They have good a good running game and Alex Smith is getting it together.

Plus the defense that was suppose to be horrible are doing actully OK.

They definately look better than one thought that they would've coming into the year, but they've played the Cardinals and the Rams so far. I wouldn't get too far ahead of yourself. When they start beating the Hawks I'll say they got a shot at the playoffs. Because I'd say it'll be easier to win the divsion than the Wild Card because the WC is NOT coming out of the NFC West.

[the poe collector]

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/TB/9676507

The way the Bucs are playing why not let the President coach tomorrow?

Steve Smith is apparently a game-time decision, and I hope he decides not to play. I'd also like to see Keyshawn Johnson get knocked out, so there is something to watch for. There are a lot of games I'm looking forward to this weekend like Bears-Vikings, Steelers-Bengals, Colts-Jaguars, and Giants-Seahawks. I'm also looking forward to the Falcons-Saints game on Monday. I hate both teams but since the Falcons already beat us I'll root for the Saints.

[Crosman]

Can Favre get some help?

31-9 Eagles.

I have been a Green Bay fan for over 14 years and I have never seen such a horrible offensive line/team.

[Coded-Dude]

90% of the team is under tha age of 25..........it woudl be nice to see em make the playoffs, but I seriously think Chicago will win it all.

[Chris]

Can Favre get some help?

31-9 Eagles.

I have been a Green Bay fan for over 14 years and I have never seen such a horrible offensive line/team.

What are you talking about!? Farve CLEARLY said at the beginning of the season that he was coming back and that THIS TEAM was the most talented team that had ever been assembled around him, surely you jest...

I still can't believe he said that, I know he has to be the leader of the team but come on. And Ahmad Carrol, the man who tackles like his hands are coated in butter just gets flatout cut, I was surprised that they didn't at least try to shop him around.

[Coded-Dude]

A.J. Hawk is turning into quite the promising young player
I am also very pleased with Charles Woodsens performance thus far
(he is fairing well in fantasy football)

I think they have a great young team, but definately not the best they've ever had.....

[Chris]

I agree, it's just what he said was obviously not true. And AJ Hawk is going to be a monster, that's all there is to it.

[goku2057]

The Packers either show up, or they don't. They played a great game until half-time on MNF, and after which, the beating began. I wept like a young child.

[BigfootGus]

My prediction for this Sunday:

Buccaneers play Saints
Saints beat Buccaneers
Buccaneers cry

[the poe collector]

That is a pretty safe bet :(

Maybe they will suprise me and win the game.

[Vitriolic]

The only games that I consider a real toss-up this weekend are the NFC East matchups. Philly-Dallas and Washington-NY ought to be pretty interesting.

[the poe collector]

Reggie Bush just had to get his first touchdown against us. Bucs can't stop anyone for shit.

[Bing147]

Man... Lions are 0-5. The sad thing is, they've had so many chances. They were up 17-3 going into the 4th this week! Then they lose 26-17. WTF. It wasn't even Kitna's fault, the offensive line just seemed to stop blocking for him. Every game (except the Bears) has been close but they can't pull one out.

[Coded-Dude]

Da Bears

[venomv]

Da Bears are Da Bomb.

[the poe collector]

I hope the Bucs put up some kind of fight against the Bengals tomorrow.

They still have to play the entire NFC East, the Bears and the Seahawks after that.

[Chris]

It's going to be a looooooong season in Tampa Bay this year.

[the poe collector]

Bucs beat the Bengals 14-13.

I'd like to thank God and Michael Clayton.

[Chris]

I'm just glad that probably won't fuck up my picks for the week because I'm sure that NOBODY picked Tampa.

[Zac]

I think I lost 5 years of my life watching the Seattle/St. Louis game today. Yet another classic game between those two teams.

[Dark_Cloud]

Yes, I shit my pants numerous times durring that game. No 10 second runoff! Ha! Gotta love that!

[Zac]

That was great when the Rams coach was jumping around celebrating yelling "GAME OVER GAME OVER!"

[Zac]

What the fuck is going on in this Monday night game? Cards up 17-0 looking for more.

[the poe collector]

I hope everyone is watching this game...wtf

[the poe collector]

God must fucking hate the Cardinals.

[Viper]

The football Gods must be Bears fans this year. The Cards had them beat. Stomped on even. Then 2 fumble returns and a punt return all for TD's and a missed late FG handed Da Bears their 6th win.

[Zac]

That's the Cardinals for you.

[the poe collector]

Edgerrin James can shut his mouth about wanting the ball to close out the game now

[Zac]

He rushed for 56 yards on 36 carries. That is terrible.

[the poe collector]

I was impressed by how Leinart played, definitely a lot better than Grossman.

[Coded-Dude]

6 turnovers and 3 points on offense; your down 20-0 at the half, but somehow your team wins the game 24-20.......now thats a defense! Chicago's defense scored 48 points in my fantasy league, and single handedly beat me(I was winning and that was the only "player" left this week in my game)

[Chris]

That was a ridiculous game, I picked the Cardinals in my pool for the upset, I just had a feeling, and they totally BLEW IT for me! Jesus Christ I mean come on! The offense for the Bears didn't even have to try!

[dncardman]

Ugh....I think I hate the bears more than the Packers now. The Bears are over rated...that's 2 loses they should have now.

[Coded-Dude]

Ugh....I think I hate the bears more than the Packers now. The Bears are over rated...that's 2 loses they should have now.

Thats funny, cause I siad the exact same thing abotu the Colts when they were 6-0......
HOWEVER, i do believe the Bears can carry the momentum into the SuperBowl(unlike the Colts).
Their defense is that good!

[the poe collector]

Not if Grossman keeps playing games like he did yesterday, I don't care how good the defense is.

[Coded-Dude]

I agree he can't continue to play liek that(but that is probably the worst you will see of him)
So if it happens again, there are some coaches that might have some questions to answer.
I think he is solid enough to play well throughout the year.

while Indy relied on their offense, Chicago relies on their defense.
Trent dilfer has a SuperBowl ring(and he is defiantely no Peyton Manning).

I honestly think if Rex learns his lesson and gradually plays a little better each week, that they can win a superbowl, if not this year.........then next. (he at least should have a full year as a starting QB to get the experience he needs)

[the poe collector]

I know that the Bears rely on their defense and just need their QB to play solid...I'm a Bucs fan.

I don't think Grossman will have a game as bad as yesterday but I think it was a reality check for the Bears.

[Coded-Dude]

indeed it was, I thought it was a loss at thee half, and thus did not watch the second half(kicks self in arse)
Bucs are struggling a bit to find their rythm as well.

I also think San Diego is a little under-rated this year(they look tough)
and New Orleans is the talk of the town, right now.

[the poe collector]

If the Bucs didnt up fuck at the end of the Panthers and Saints games they would be 3-2 so I think the team is better than their record says.

I think the Chargers are underrated, Rivers is doing better than I thought he would.

[venomv]

I think the Bears need to play like the Bears and run the frikin ball! Grossman was pathetic, say what you want about Kyle Orton but the reason the Bears did well last year is he never played that bad, just never good.

I think they will play smarter now that they are no long invinsable.

Ugh....I think I hate the bears more than the Packers now. The Bears are over rated...that's 2 loses they should have now.

That defense is capible of pulling them out of so much crap, you can never count them out.

Da Bears!

[Chris]

I think the Bears need to play like the Bears and run the frikin ball! Grossman was pathetic, say what you want about Kyle Orton but the reason the Bears did well last year is he never played that bad, just never good.


It didn't matter how Orton played because they actually had a run game last year, which for some reason seems to be non-existant right now because the offensive play-calling is crap, combine that with the sick defense that the Bears have, and that is the reason that they won last year.

As for the Bucs, the only reason that they won on Sunday was because of a phantom Roughing the Passer call. That was one of the most bullshit calls I've ever seen, they should call Unecessary Roughness on every single friggin play if that's the case.

[the poe collector]

I couldnt agree with you more and couldnt care less since they got a win.

[Chris]

Yeah I know, I'd act the same way if the Giants got a win like that. "Hell yeah it was a bad call, but the Giants won, so HA!" would be the phrase that I would repeat over and over again.

[Coded-Dude]

well - alot of people think phili gave that game away......

[Chris]

Well I didn't see the penalty that continued the Saints drive at the end of the game, but I didn't hear any complaints about a phantom call on that one. That Cincy call was just plain ridiculous though.

[Coded-Dude]

How about the Sooner vs Oregon call(s)....? lol

[the poe collector]

Not a great season for Oklahoma so far, I wonder how they will do without Peterson?

[Coded-Dude]

indeed, I wonder who's gonna get him........
A great back that I think will ahve a huge impact in the NFL.
He generally appears to get better as the game progresses
(a little weak at the start but always has a strong finish)

[venomv]

It didn't matter how Orton played because they actually had a run game last year, which for some reason seems to be non-existant right now because the offensive play-calling is crap, combine that with the sick defense that the Bears have, and that is the reason that they won last year.

As for the Bucs, the only reason that they won on Sunday was because of a phantom Roughing the Passer call. That was one of the most bullshit calls I've ever seen, they should call Unecessary Roughness on every single friggin play if that's the case.

They had a run game last year because that is all they had so they had to focuse on it, and it wasn't that good they still let the defense win games for them. The run game will be good if they just let them run..........

[Chris]

They had a run game last year because that is all they had so they had to focuse on it, and it wasn't that good they still let the defense win games for them. The run game will be good if they just let them run..........


It didn't matter how Orton played because they actually had a run game last year, which for some reason seems to be non-existant right now because the offensive play-calling is crap, combine that with the sick defense that the Bears have, and that is the reason that they won last year.

[venomv]

I knew you said that, and as you can tell I agree......And I said that when I posted yesterday, just in differnt words.

[Marjoh]

Should the Cards have won that game? I would've agreed with you a hundred percent if the Bears won by penalties favoring them and other bad refereeing and other BS. Bad playcalling and big mistakes help the opposing team win, and that's exactly what the Cards did.

I think one of the reason Cards D was effective against Bears O is because da Bears gave up on the ground game too early (they had a few 2nd and 5, which were setup by the run, which they all try to convert through the air). Similarly, that's how da Bears D got back into tempo after half time because Edge was having a bad night which gave them more option to protect the pass.

This is definitely a wake up call. They have two weeks to think and watch the tape and hopefully they'll realize that, despite their air stats (prior to week 6), they still have Jones and Benson as backs and need to utilize them more like they did before monday night. Leinart was impressive and he's future is looking bright. And instead of Dennis firing his offensive coordinator, he should've fired himself if he wants that kid and that team to go anywhere.

.aZnF

[Chris]

I knew you said that, and as you can tell I agree......And I said that when I posted yesterday, just in differnt words.

Oh okay, I thought you were quoted me insinuating that I was wrong, and then you said like the same thing, so I was just confused.

And the Cardinals SHOULD have won that game, just because they were dominating the Bears, it's nobody's fault but their own, their defense smothered the Bears offense, forcing 6 turnovers out of Rex Grossman, they had no business losing that game. But then the play-calling turned to crap on offense for the Cards, and they got away from their gameplan and into a "preserve the lead" mode by just trying to run out the clock, when it's obvious that the passing game is their strong suit.

[the poe collector]

I would say that getting a sure win against the Raiders this week will help the Cardinals confidence.

But you can't really use the words "sure win" when talking about the Cards.

[Zac]

The game will be a scoreless tie

[venomv]

Me and my brother where just talking about that, it would be so ironic if the Raiders end up 0-15-1, lol.

And the Cardinals SHOULD have won that game, just because they were dominating the Bears, it's nobody's fault but their own, their defense smothered the Bears offense, forcing 6 turnovers out of Rex Grossman, they had no business losing that game.

The Bears are who we thought they were!!!!

Really, if there is a team in this league you can never count out ('till the very end), it's the Bears, their defense have pulled off some much crap these past few years.......

[the poe collector]

I think it's more like the team you can't count on is the Cardinals.

And when Dennis Green said "The Bears are who we thought they were!" I think he was talking about how the Cards beat the Bears in the preseason so they knew the Bears weren't going to come out and dominate them like so many people thought.

[Chris]

I think it's more like the team you can't count on is the Cardinals.

And when Dennis Green said "The Bears are who we thought they were!" I think he was talking about how the Cards beat the Bears in the preseason so they knew the Bears weren't going to come out and dominate them like so many people thought.

I was going to say the same thing, if there's one team you can never count IN, it's the Cardinals. And I really didn't even try to put logic into that postgame conference, I don't know what the hell he was talking about about, he just said that one line like three times and that we should crown their ass if we thought they were the champions.....my friends....and they'll keep on fighting 'til the end.....da da daaaaa.

[Vitriolic]

I hate to say it (no I don't) but I kept telling all these Cowboys clowns that Romo would NOT play any better than Bledsoe right off the bat... and I was dead on.

[Eman]

You have 87 posts stfu

[Chris]

You have 87 posts stfu

But his statement is so accurate, I'm inclined to agree with him, as I've said, to foolish Cowboys fans, since the end of preseason when Romo was God to the fans.

[ocarinamask]

The Cowboys are done. That division is just too fierce, as it always seems to be lately. More importantly, however, what the hell happened to the Jags last week?!? Will they bounce back against the Eagles? It will be a daunting task.

[Chris]

Agreed, even though Romo is better for the team because the offensive line is shit, he's not going to be able to do anything, he's essentially a rookie, and he's going to go through the same growing pains that every actual rookie goes through.

I got ROCKED this week in picks, underdogs destroyed me, Vikings over Seattle, Oakland over Arizona, Kansas City over San Diego!? And of course the aforementioned Houston Texans over the Jaguars, I couldn't believe this week. I don't think the Jags will play bad enough to lose to the Texans again, but Philly will still beat them, but the loss of Mike Peterson is really showing in the defense, and Byron Leftwich just doesn't seem to have it right now.

[Zac]

Rule #1 of picking football games: Never pick Arizona

[Chris]

I'd pick Arizona over Oakland anyday at this given point in time, given the opportunity, I'd do it again, unless I was going back in time and knew them losing was a FACT and not a possibility...then I would pick Oakland.

[ocarinamask]

You had to pick the Cardinals after they nearly upset the Bears, there was no other choice. It is too bad that the Raiders will not go 0-16 though. The Bears will not go undefeated, and the Colts will finish with a better record than the Bears. That is my prediction.

[Chris]

Agreed ocarinamask, I think the Bears are good, but are also a result of their schedule right now.

[the poe collector]

I don't care who is QB for Dallas, I just hope they beat the Panthers.

And I'm looking forward to Ronde and Tiki Barber playing this Sunday.

[Chris]

That's funny because I too don't care who is the QB for Dallas, I just hope that the Panthers beat them.

And the Giants are going to STOMP the Bucs...unless they succumb to the trap game, like they always do. This could be a very disappointing weekend...

[Eman]

Look we need to stop this cowboys hate..they are a sweet team..rly and will make the playoffs one way or another

[Chris]

Cowboys were overrated coming into the season I believe, along with the Redskins, and the Eagles were definatley underrated. Giants and Eagles are both going to the playoffs if you ask me, and I don't think that the Boys will get that other Wild Card, it'll either go to Chicago or Minnesota out of the North, or Carolina or New Orleans out of the South.

[Eman]

We shall see CHRIS we shall see. I'll let my boys do all the talking for me

[Chris]

I think they said everything they had to say to the Giants on Monday night! MUAHAHAHAHA!

Besides....I'm a Giants fan, I'm supposed to hate the Cowboys, it's like secondary protocol to loving the Giants.

[the poe collector]

I think the Bucs game could go either way, they're so damn inconsistent.

The Giants could completely dominate them or the Bucs could get the close win.

[Chris]

I just hope that Giants pass rush doesn't show up, they can't afford to sack Gradkowski six times and have six roughing the passer penalties.

[the poe collector]

I wouldn't mind that at all :)

[ocarinamask]

The Giants will win. I am not a Giants fan and I believe that the Cowboys will not make the playoffs.

[PUNK em 733]

Look we need to stop this cowboys hate..they are a sweet team..rly and will make the playoffs one way or another



One of the funniest things I have heard on the innernet! :laugh:

HOW 'BOUT THEM...GIANTS!!!

Thank god they're finally playing to potential, I was getting worried there for a min.

[Chris]

It was awesome when Antonio Pierce said that PUNK.

[ocarinamask]

But losing LaVar Arrington is a bigger loss than it may seem...

[Chris]

I KNOW it was a huge loss, I'm not stupid. He was just getting into his groove, so to speak, in the system. He goes into the backfield untouched for a safety, and then, the play that really doesn't show up well enough in the boxscore, is his pass defended, when he tipped the flea flicker, and Owens was WIDE OPEN down the sideline, he probably had two steps on Madison.

[Vitriolic]

It's not a huge loss. Granted, it IS a loss... but Arrington's overall impact on that D was terrible outside of the one game.

[Chris]

It's definately a bigger impact than one would think, he's been moved from WILL to SAM and he's had to learn a new system, and he was just getting involved in the defense. Not to mention strongside tend to show up a lot less in the boxscore than the weakside backer, but is obviously just as important.

[the poe collector]

Our WRs played like a bunch of bitches today. Galloway dropped two deep passes that were in his hands, Clayton dropped a sure touchdown and he fumbled after converting on fourth down. The defense played pretty well after giving up the touchdowns in the beginning of the game, but the offense couldn't do anything...as usual.

[Chris]

Galloway and Clayton were WIDE OPEN too.

[the poe collector]

If I can't watch the Bucs win at least I can watch the Panthers lose.

[Chris]

Unfortunately you watching the Panthers lose involved me watching the Cowboys win. The Saints already lost! Why'd you need the Panthers too!? Greedy bastard.

[Eman]

You sons of a bitches!!! HOW ABOUT THOSE MOTHERFUCKING COWBOYS BITCHES!!! SUCK ON THESE NUTS!

[the poe collector]

The Eagles lost today Chris...but I enjoyed that too :)

And Tony Romo might have saved the Cowboy's season.

[Chris]

The Eagles lost today Chris...but I enjoyed that too :)

And Tony Romo might have saved the Cowboy's season.

I KNEW you were going to throw that in my face!

And the Cowboys can do whatever they want, Giants OWN the NFC East, not only do they have a game lead, but they are already 3-0 in the division, pwnage.

[the poe collector]

The Giants do own the NFC East, but I think the Cowboys will be able to make the playoffs as a wild card. If they can beat around two of the tougher teams they have left and beat the teams they will be favored against they should be alright.

[Vitriolic]

The Cowboys will choke down the stretch, mark my words. Carolina played HORRIBLY compared to how they typically do. Lots of dropped passes, only mediocre play out of a GREAT defense, minimal involvement from Steve Smith...

[the poe collector]

wow, I thought the Pats-Vikings game was going to be closer.

[Chris]

The Cowboys will choke down the stretch, mark my words. Carolina played HORRIBLY compared to how they typically do. Lots of dropped passes, only mediocre play out of a GREAT defense, minimal involvement from Steve Smith...

I agree, Carolina played wouldn't have beat Oakland playing the way they did. Everyone said the Cowboys were done after the Giants romping them at their house, and now everyone(refering to the media by the way) is jumping back on the bandwagon because Tony Romo played decent. I for one, still think the Cowboys are done, I don't think that the Wild Card will even come out of the East anymore, I'm saying the Rams and the Seahawks make it from the West, and the Falcons and Saints come out of the South, along with the Giants and the Bears from the East and North, respectively.

[the poe collector]

Roethlisberger had to throw four picks for the Raiders to win, and the Steelers still could have won at the end of the game. I said I thought the Cowboys would make the wild card if they beat two of the tougher teams they play against (Colts, Giants, Saints, Falcons) and the teams they should be favored against. I was for Bledsoe continuing to be the starter until I saw Romo play, he was a lot more effective and the Cowboys beat a great Panthers team.

[Chris]

The Raiders have a solid defense though, so it's not just that Ben sucked, but he did suck.

And I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just disagreeing, that's all.

[the poe collector]

I don't think he should have even been in the game, Charlie Batch probably could've beaten the Raiders, and it would have given Ben another week to recover.

[Chris]

Absolutely no way Ben should've been in that game, I agree. Batch has looked great when he's been in, why start Ben against the lowly Steelers?

[Vitriolic]

Ben is definitely the better QB on the whole than Batch. However, he plays HORRIBLY coming off of an injury, which has been the case for most of this season.

[Chris]

I'm in no way saying that Batch is better than Ben, I'm just saying when he gets a concussion, SIT HIM! Especially when the backup has looked good in the games he's been in.

[goku2057]

Are we kidding ourselves? Batch has played incredible in every game he's played. I think Ben gives teh Steelers a better chance to win, but as of right now, I'd be sarting Batch until ben can get some shit worked out in his head.

[Crosman]

How about those Packers?

3-4

As for Batch........Hes doing alot better then he did here in Detroit.

[Chris]

I picked the Pack to go into Buffalo and pull out a win this week. Always got a shot with Favre at the helm, same can't be said for the Bills with Losman.

[Eva]

Bills offense does stink, but their defense been quite good this season, so don't estimate them, especially when their home. I like the Bills mainly for their defense even though the Packers are a slighty better team, still with problems. Regardless, Packers doing much better than last year good to see, especially for Favre.

[Chris]

I know that Buffalo's defense has been good this season, I just didn't think Losman could do anything with that offense, and he pretty much didn't, 8 completions in the whole game for him, and they get 24 points, how ridiculous.

And how about the Dolphins knocking off the Bears!? Who the hell thought that was actually going to happen. I was hoping that the Bears suffered their first defeat at the hands of the Giants next week, but now they'll have a chance to tie Chicago for the best record in the NFC.

[Zac]

I was also surprised with Detroit beating Atlanta, and how about that Dallas/Washskins finish. That was crazy.

[Zac]

Another surprising final: San Fran beats the Vikings 9-3.

[homelesscarl]

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2705/footballjl7.jpg
31-13. That is all

[goku2057]

Oh god. the Pack domintated Buffalo in every statistical category, and still lost.

[PUNK em 733]

Next Sunday Night...the G-men against the bear cubs...time for the boys in blue to make themselves heard. We are about to crush them.

[the poe collector]

The Falcons lost the the Lions muahaha.

Hoping the Giants beat the Bears Sunday.

[WolfmanNCSU]

Raiders still can't score on Monday nights.

Hmmm, must pick up the defense on my fantasy team of the opposing team of all Oakland Monday night games....

[the poe collector]

wow...wasn't expecting the Bears to come back and murder the Giants yesterday.

[Zac]

I will laugh if Carolina loses tonight.

[dncardman]

I have completly lost any hopes that I had of the Vikings going to the super bowl after these last couple weeks. uggh...they looked so promising in the begining, now they have crumbled under such a terrible offense.

[venomv]

I have completly lost any hopes that I had of the Vikings going to the super bowl after these last couple weeks. uggh...they looked so promising in the begining, now they have crumbled under such a terrible offense.

I thought the Vikings where gonna kick some butt after the first few weeks, not looking so good now though..........

[Zac]

That's what the Vikes do, start hot and then fizzle

[dncardman]

THey usually wait until the playoffs unlike the packers who just decide to suck all year.

[Zac]

The vikings rarely make the playoffs recently.

[goku2057]

Really. What are you smoking? Because I want some.

[Chris]

When they do the Giants beat them 41-0 anyway, so it's just better that they stay out...best game ever, not so great, was the following game however.

[Chris]

Jesus, San Fran beats up on Seattle now, and Dallas snaps Indy's win streak!? What the crap is going on this year? Minnesota and Miami are starting to looking like the teams people thought that they were in the beginning of the season, unfortunately for Minny. Detroid beats Atlanta and then lays an egg against Arizona and Houston takes out Jacksonville and loses to Buffalo? This makes it almost impossible to pick games this year, I've been having an aweful year ever since about Week 6

Oh yeah, and how about Drew Brees throwing for 510 yards!? Holy shit!

[venomv]

GO COWBOYS!!!!! Man I have been waiting so long for Indy to lose! Not to mention Dallas is my #2 team.

[Chris]

Who's your #1 team if you live in Indiana and don't like the Colts? If I may ask.

[venomv]

The Bears, I have loved their style and the team for as long as I have liked football, and I saw them win a Superbowl when I was 6 days old. (well, as much as a 6 day old baby can watch anything) I grew up a Bears fan, and as far as I'm concern, they play the game how it is ment to be played.

[Chris]

Well they're one of the great franchises of football, no question about it. Along with the Packers, the Steelers, the Giants, the Colts....and the Cowboys, hate..Cowboys.

[the poe collector]

The Bucs won a game oh snaaaaaaaap, now I hope they don't ruin my Thanksgiving.

[dncardman]

Oh look Green Bay lost 35-0.....that's worst than the vikings did against the patriots.....hmmm.

[Chris]

Turkey Day coming up, let's go BUCS!!

[PUNK em 733]

*sigh*

[goku2057]

Oh look Green Bay lost 35-0.....that's worst than the vikings did against the patriots.....hmmm.

Favre got hurt in the first quarter.

[Greg]

second quarter actually...but still.

[Zac]

why do I have to watch the lions every year on thanksgiving ahhhhh

[the poe collector]

Joey Harrington pwned them, and I now hate Tony Romo.

[Chris]

I have a Cowboys fan friend, it makes it suck even more. The Giants WILL put him in his place next week, I have confidence in the G-Men. Umenyiora is supposed to be back too so I'm hearing, which is a definate boost to this defense.

[Gamble]

What happend to my Bucs this year!

[Chris]

I can't believe what I just saw with the Giants game. Worst loss I've ever watched, late hit to continue a drive on a fourth down, Burress giving up on a route which led to an INT, and Kiwanuka giving up on a sack(something I've NEVER seen before and left me completely awestruck).

[Zac]

That was quite the meltdown

[goku2057]

Yeah, he had him wrapped up for a sack, and...yeah. Granted Young is good at escaping, that was unbelievable.

[the poe collector]

They protect the QBs so much guys are scared to tackle them.

I hope the Giants can beat the Cowboys this week.

[Viper]

So how about them Jaguars. 375 yards rushing in one game. Indy got exposed in all its glorious weaknesses.

[venomv]

So how about them Jaguars. 375 yards rushing in one game. Indy got exposed in all its glorious weaknesses.

That was so great, I would laugh so hard if Indy doesn't make the play-offs at all.

[goku2057]

I believe they already clinched a playoff spot, so that's impossible.


How bout them 49er's? beating Seattle two times in like 4 weeks?

[Zac]

what's football

[Chris]

I believe they already clinched a playoff spot, so that's impossible.


How bout them 49er's? beating Seattle two times in like 4 weeks?

Nah, so far the only teams that have clinched are the Chargers, they clinched the division, and the Bears, who clinched their division as well as a first-round bye. If Indy lost out, and Jacksonville wins out, they'd lose the division, Cincinnati could take one wild card outright with a better record if they won out, and I the Chiefs are the only team who don't have a head-to-head loss of the teams that could tie the Colts record, the others being the Jets and the Broncos, who've both lost to Indy obviously.

And I hate this NFL Network Thursday night games crap, I can't watch them!

[venomv]

I believe they already clinched a playoff spot, so that's impossible.

They are 10-3, if they lose out it looks to me like they could miss the play-offs. If the Jags win-out and Bengels both win out, then that would stuck with the second wild card. Which looking at the standings now means they still might make it in, I had a scenario that worked, but that was before the Jets and the Cheifs both lost.....

[Zak]

so how bout them giants

[Chris]

I'd wait until the end of the weekend to trash talk, if the Boys tonight and the Jints win the Giants are in first place you know.

[the poe collector]

I don't expect the Bucs to win any games so finally scoring some points made up for the loss.

[goku2057]

I'm suprised. The packers aren't totally out of it yet. In 90% of the situations, they are, but they still have a glimmer of hope.

I'm praying to th elorg god almighty that they get in just for Favre. I'd love to see him back next year.

[ocarinamask]

I would like to see Favre return and attempt to break Marino's TD record (I believe Favre is pretty close...) but with what he has shown last game and other games prior, he has lost much of his skill. I no longer believe he is lacking teammates to help him.

Sure the Packers are a horrible team, but his 3 interceptions last week didn't help the team or their chances at the playoffs.

[goku2057]

Favre has always thrown interceptioons like that. It's what makes him Favre.

Also, tehy won, so it really doesn't matter how he played. A win is a win.

Although he did make me lose in fantasy football. That bastard.

[Jonny Royal]

my titans finally made it back to .500. and they have the slightest chance at the playoffs

[the poe collector]

I want to see Favre beat the TD record before he retires, and pretty much every team in the NFC not from Detroit or Tampa has a chance to make the playoffs.

[goku2057]

Yeah. at 6-8 there's not a great chance, but some key losses by a floundering Atlanta could be nice.

[Viper]

my titans finally made it back to .500. and they have the slightest chance at the playoffs

That game pissed me off more than any this year. 2 INT TD's and 1 FUM TD. Statistically, the Titans was crushed but Garrard (who accounted for all 3 turnovers) must have forgot to eat his Wheeties that morning or something.

[goku2057]

The Titans are my numero dos team, being I live in TN. So. The Titans are not teh suck.

[Chris]

....Fuck the Titans. 21-0 in the fourth quarter...what the crap.

[the poe collector]

You will never forget that game. Ever.

[Chris]

That was one of the worst games I've EVER watched, EVER. It's up there with the 2000 Superbowl, and the 2003 Wild Card collapse in San Francisco.

[goku2057]

That Packers game last night was atrocious.

Packers won 9-7. But...eghhhh. The PAckers need a deep wide reciever threat. Donald Driver can't do everything, and a couple blown routes by Greg Jennings led to twoINT's for Favre.

Oh well. A win's still a win.

[venomv]

It was pretty ugly, possably Favre's last home game is a win though and his 36th 4th quarter comeback.

[the poe collector]

damn Bucs, if this was Alstott's last game it would have been nice to get a win

and...the Lions beat the Cowboys olollol

[Chris]

Giants/Eagles, what a game, too bad the Giants D couldn't hold when they really needed to.

Congrats Eagles, played a good game.

[Coded-Dude]

Thats funny, cause I siad the exact same thing abotu the Colts when they were 6-0......
HOWEVER, i do believe the Bears can carry the momentum into the SuperBowl(unlike the Colts).
Their defense is that good!


I was wrong....kind of

[the poe collector]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2752040

Favre says he's back for next season, which is what I thought. He should be able to get the record for most wins and TD passes, and he's got a shot at career passing yards. There's also a really good chance he'll get the interception record, which isn't so great.

[Zac]

John Madden just had a massive erection hearing that