Sony's Own Kind Goes To The Darkside. [Archive]

Beenie Man

08-12-2006, 07:36 AM

Contrary to popular belief, editors of the Official PlayStation Magazine don't get free hardware for their own personal use. So I've been having an ongoing debate with myself about the PS3 since E3. After Kaz announced that the price would be $600, I found my enthusiasm sagging.

It's not that I find the concept of a $600 console insulting. Inflation happens, and it's natural that eventually inital prices will be higher than they used to be. But when I know that a console's direct competitors cost two-thirds or half of that price, it becomes harder for me to justify shelling out that kind of money--especially when I can probably get the Wii and the 360 combined for the cost of a PS3.

$600 might be worth it if there were several huge titles on the near horizon that were PS3-exclusive. But for the first year at least, there are very few big titles that are PS3 exclusive. GTA4 and Assassins will be available for the 360 at the same time. And most of the big guns--FFXIII, MGS4--won't be hitting for quite some time after the launch.

The other big reason for people to shell out $600, BluRay, is frankly something I don't care about. I have a crummy 12-year-old 21-inch very-non-hi-def TV sitting on my stand at home, and while we've been talking about upgrading it for the past three years, we always end up walking out of stores TV-less. And I don't buy movies; I rent non-BR discs from Netflix. Much like I've never been an audiophile--as long as I can hear it, I don't care if it's mono, stereo, 5.1, 7.1--I really don't care how high-res the picture is. My bottom line is that as long as it has color and is free from static, I'm good to go.

So ultimately, I can't justify it. $600 is a lot of money, especially when I can get what--for me at least--will be a very similar experience for $400. I would like to own a PS3, and I hope that the price drops soon so I can consider it. But until then, this Official PlayStation Magazine editor will have to join the dark side

This is disheartening and also a bit worrying. It seems as if everybody are leaving behind the PS3. Even OPM. But anyway, I wonder if Sony knows this, and they know they will have to impress the shit out of alot of people. I think the biggest problem with the PS3 is the high price tag. People are now going to have to pay a high price for a console other from traditional prices though there have been more expensive consoles. But I do not agree with all of her points, and not all people rent movies, some people have loads of movie libraries. But she seems like those people who are not ready with the advancement in technology. Similar to people who still used cassettes when CDs came aorund, and VHS when DVD came around. Different adoption rates is the norm these days. But she is one of the many type of markets in this buisness. Not everybody will be attracted to a product. But OPM seems like they are typing postitive stuff on the PS3 because they are being paid. I have listened to some of their podcasts and read some of there articles, and they seem to have a sort of Wii and 360 loving tone. Sony is not the most loved company right now. Anyway, I know I will be having a HDTV and buying Blu-Ray movies. I just love cutting edge technology if I can afford it(Ipod, HDTV, broadband). However, I think this could also be fake as their is no link. So I am going to take this with a grain of salt(why the fuck would she risk her job).

xbdestroya

08-12-2006, 07:41 AM

Well, maybe I should become their new editor... I've got an HD TV and everything!

This guy's puzzling and surprising - and honest - situation aside though, Sony might as well send certain publications some free hardware. But I guess that's neither here nor there.

When he says he's going to the 'darkside' though, what does that mean? Price complaining? 360 purchase? I feel something's missing from that clip...

Kabbage

08-12-2006, 07:42 AM

I dont care honestly.... I have never let the ramblings of a person I never knew existed before now sway my decision in one way or the other, I dont plan on starting now

Beenie Man

08-12-2006, 07:44 AM

Kabbage

08-12-2006, 07:48 AM

Well I think he/she meant by the darkside is, as that person is on the Playstation side, buying a 360 is the darkside as it is the biggest competition to Sony and hence ''The Darkside.'' But why is buying a 360 going to the darkside? I think the media are trying to push this war a little too hard.

Yep and if people ignored it, which will never happen, it would go away... like the Giant Advertising monsters in that halloween episode of the simpsons.

VideoGame mania

08-12-2006, 07:49 AM

Loyalty to the end

Kabbage

08-12-2006, 07:50 AM

Loyalty to the end
What

VideoGame mania

08-12-2006, 07:52 AM

What
I cant ignore Sony,they have the best games on their console

Kabbage

08-12-2006, 07:52 AM

I wonder why all the people forget about the $500 one

*Strokes Chin*

Beenie Man

08-12-2006, 07:53 AM

Because media usually make things seem gigantically worser than they really are(wink).

Smokey

08-12-2006, 07:54 AM

I wonder why all the people forget about the $500 one

*Strokes Chin*
i always wonder that too?

Kabbage

08-12-2006, 07:55 AM

I cant ignore Sony,they have the best games on their console

Well thats the sole reason im getting a PS3 ... not the size...not that I hate the competition. ( I have a 360) and when I decide to play it, it can be enjoyable...I dont that often though. (Gotta Wait til Gears for that to Happen)

Sony has and looks like it will have the games that appeal more to me than the other systems. At the end of the day my opinion is the only one that is worth anything.

Smokey

08-12-2006, 07:57 AM

At the end of the day my opinion is the only one that is worth anything.
best words ive heard for along time :)

VideoGame mania

08-12-2006, 07:57 AM

I wonder why all the people forget about the $500 one

*Strokes Chin*
well,I dont it's the one I'm getting,but Sony made a huge mistake with 2skus
Now the majority think the ps3 is just $600 and it's $200 more than the 360.
Why not make one $500 sku with hdmi port and 20gb? bad move Sony,you should have hired me,not the idiots in your office

Beenie Man

08-12-2006, 07:58 AM

I agree.

Kabbage

08-12-2006, 07:59 AM

And another thing, if this editor is so uninterested in actual advancements in technology.. why would you care about what any of these consoles are offering.

I mean... if none of this stuff that these consoles (PS3, 360) are bringing to the table.. better resolutions, audio, etc. matter... why spend $600 or $400 when you can spend nothing and keep your current gen console.

And the Editor sounds like Immersion, trying to make everything seem so grim they (Sony) give so you can get your way. We call that "Poor-Mouthing" around here. Complaing about how bad off you are or how you are going to be forced to go to the "dark side" hoping Sony will send you and your friends free consoles out of pity. :D

VideoGame mania

08-12-2006, 08:09 AM

One thing is certain,if the ps3 will be selling well and better than the competition,developers would be forced to develop for Sony.I personally dont believe all the negative crap around PS3 on the net,only time will tell.It will take 3 years to see who is the boss in this "war" This gen is different the PS3 isnt a system for the casuals,it's for the hardcore or true Sony fans,it will have less crappy games but there will be more blockbustes/hits.It's the system which requires a lot of money and time to build mindblowing games appropriate to the hardware capabilities/graphics.Only big independent developers or devs under Sony's wing have the resourses to make KKutaragi's dream a reality

yoshaw

08-12-2006, 08:09 AM

Chrome

08-12-2006, 08:14 AM

I for one am not believing this story as it originates from that full of BS site.

GTShotoKen

08-12-2006, 08:16 AM

Loyalty to the end

Every time I read your posts and see your avatar, I think you are posting on the forums with a melancholy attitude and a tear in your eye...:lol:

Anyways, I can't see if these comments were from an OPM journalist or not, but honestly; I can't really blame him/her for these feelings at all.

Alot of casual gamers are going to have these same feelings and only time will tell if Sony will pull though.

xbdestroya

08-12-2006, 08:18 AM

I for one am not believing this story as it originates from that full of BS site.

Well I don't know what you're talking about, and that brings up a point...

Links people! Get a link up there Beenie! ;)

Also, if there's any doubt as to the origins, I mean someone on this site must get OPM, right? It would seem pretty straightforward to validate.

But whether it's real or not - the question must be asked that if it were, why would we care? I seriously think this whole thing is a non-issue; it's more reflective of the non-glamorous life of a gaming mag editor than it is anything else.

GTShotoKen

08-12-2006, 08:21 AM

True True.

Chrome

08-12-2006, 08:22 AM

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=7344653&publicUserId=5380375

thats the BS site with link. ;P

Smokey

08-12-2006, 08:29 AM

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=...UserId=5380375

thats the BS site with link. ;P

this is fanboy heavan

Kabbage

08-12-2006, 08:30 AM

LOL She said.. the $600 unit is more to her liking but she still has a 12 year old tv. Hell A Giant $3,000 kitchen set is more to my liking... even though all I do is Microwave frozen burritos.

She never wanted a ps3 in the first place.

ROFFL
LAFF-O-GRAM (yes it is like a Strip-o-gram, got a problem with that)
OMGWTFBBQ
and so on...

VideoGame mania

08-12-2006, 08:34 AM

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=7344653&publicUserId=5380375

thats the BS site with link. ;P
complete garbage,where is the $500 version? I dont need a cheaper system if I dont like the games.Spin it all you want,games still matter the most.

Viano

08-12-2006, 08:44 AM

liver_kick

08-12-2006, 08:46 AM

Kabbage

08-12-2006, 08:46 AM

Not everyone owns a HDTV, but everyone wants one, not everyone wants Blu-ray, but everyone wants next-gen, not everyone works hard, but everyone wants money.

This world is very weird, many people need to st7u, sit down, and think what they want and how they get it, well, at least stealing it.

Stealing it is the easiest way :smirk:

and if things are so hard off financially why is she even talking about a dam next gen console purchase.

And another thing :rant:

GTShotoKen

08-12-2006, 08:46 AM

Not everyone owns a HDTV, but everyone wants one, not everyone wants Blu-ray, but everyone wants next-gen, not everyone works hard, but everyone wants money.

This world is very weird, many people need to st7u, sit down, and think what they want and how they get it, well, at least not stealing it.

You are exactly right Viano. :)

Um Viano, did your Gender sign change?

Viano

08-12-2006, 08:47 AM

You are exactly right Viano. :)

Um Viano, did your Gender sign change?

yes, it was the another user.

Viano

08-12-2006, 08:48 AM

Stealing it is the easiest way :smirk:

and if things are so hard off financially why is she even talking about a dam next gen console purchase.

And another thing :rant:

typo my bad.

CreativeWriter

08-12-2006, 08:48 AM

Beenie,

She's not risking her job! .... Jesus! For cryin out loud... lol :)

Man, She's only expressed her concern as a person with not enough required out of PS3 except for games . Her blog post went through the things that she's surrounded with and her daily life defining what console she should be buying next for her home(not her work!).

They'll get debuggin kits for OPM office regardless of not having one of their own at home. Her complain is valid and which is the price, I don't know if you've read her columns/blogs but her husband is not a gamer. So it does become questionable for her too when she tries spending $600 cash on an electronic device. I hope atleast some of you guys with bills and wives realize this.

To those, who're adding this to the ongoing PS3 abandon wagon. Please stop! this is not the end of the world for PS3 just because an OPM editor, 'with a husband', expresses her financial trouble. Better yet she proves why for her $600 is overkill expenditure for a console she's hardly gonna utilize 100%. I think she deserves to have that right of choice regardless of being an OPM editor or not!

lol , I sound like mad, but I'm not.

This makes sense, but I would think she is risking her job. When an employee of Coke buys a Pepsi product, even for his home use, he can be fired b/c it's potentially bad press (someone takes a pic of the employee in his Coke uniform guzzling down a Pepsi, and it's all over the net). In this case she went straight to the net and skipped the middleman. I know OPM is a separate identity, but it has a vested interest in Sony's success--it's sales are directly proportional to how many console owners Sony can round-up. This blog could be seen as promoting rival mags, Xbox Monthly or whatever.

If we're looking for the most qualified writer at a gaming mag I would hope that that person has ALL the consoles and a firm grasp of the hit software across the platforms. Do you want someone who hasn't played Halo writing a review of the latest Timesplitters? For this reason she should at least have access to the other systems, but the reasons she gives do, I think, place her job in jeopardy (perhaps this is what she wishes anyway, since she seems to be complaining to the world about salary and job benefits).

I agree that her complaints are valid. I just hope her bosses are liberal about this kind of speech. I might not be if I were an editor at OPM, especially on the cusp of the new console war when the future of the magazine is in doubt. But who knows, maybe she's working under different parameters, perhaps with a free speech clause in her contract... or her bosses could have given her the go-ahead, maybe as a way to spur Sony to action.

edit: sweet, I'm off the rep-power snide! Is that because I hit 200 posts?

Kabbage

08-12-2006, 08:52 AM

J.Rob got the boot for saying he heard the 360 could do more.

She could get the foot the same way for basically saying.. Hey sony, your s*** is too expensive.

Smokey

08-12-2006, 08:52 AM

Oof, an editor of the official mag of the brand taking a dump on the value of its biggest upcoming product certainly ain't good. :ko: I think one thing Sony has to focus on is attacking this whole "$600 Console!" meme. For a laugh Google "$599" and see the first thing that comes up. ;)

In reality the cheaper base model is fully functional and a much different tier compared to what the competition offers. But there's this overwhelming perception online that any lower SKU=complete inferiority.
i googled sony top list but i can also go to
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lol

Chrome

08-12-2006, 08:52 AM

I've got a grievance with that site already, for printing news on a certain information taken way out of context. I don't just like them. I didn't even want to link the site

yoshaw

08-12-2006, 09:53 AM

You guys are taking it way more seriously than it ought to be. :)

1up editors(including those of OPM/CVG and EGM) own several consoles. They openly declare their allegiance to whichever console they want to. Like I said earlier, and just like CreativeWriter thought, the editors at 1up are at liberty to say whatever they want to say. That's what makes it so sweet about 1up.

As much as I hate Luke 'foking hate sony' smith from 1up. I adore the staff of OPM. These guys are so awesome and they even openly declared their love for Nintendo DS once in a Radiopm audio podcast, while discussing PSP. Heck, they were laughing about it. To this date, no one got fired! Oh and OPM boss is Joe Rybiki who is an awesome dude! I think he's the one calling the shots on all the liberties at OPM. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Work ethics, let's say either of Pepsi/coke employees ;), aren't required by gaming journalists. I'm sure she's a dedicated OPM editor and she has to review everything Sony. But where does it say she has to kiss Sony ass to achieve that status? :)

Some of you guys need to give her a break and realize that the entire OPM staff will get their allotted debugging PS3 kits. On which they'll be reviewing PS3 software at their offices at 1up building. Which is a violation of nothing! Atleast, not on the level of getting fired. lol

I'm not gonna get worked up over this anymore. As someone who himself is finding it difficult to allocate any money for PS3. I truly appreciate her concern towards PS3 as an overkill of her requirements, which she explained in detail too. And respect for having the balls(lol) to put the word out she might be purchasing a competitive console that would have the same things/games she eventually wants from a PS3.

With that out of the way, take it easy fellas and I'm gonna chillash too! lol :)

DC_613

08-12-2006, 10:09 AM

lol errr here in Aus the writters for OPS2M can actually write off consoles on tax so i dont know what this cow is moaning bout.

Applefiend

08-12-2006, 01:20 PM

Yup, the big expense with getting to next gen is your HD TV, the 360 or PS3 is a minor expense compared to that.

No HDTV PS3 or 360 is a giant waste of time. I can't even imagine running a PS3/360 over s-video or composite... That's gross man...

PS Mag editor? Sack him! Off with his head. :)

You work at Coca Cola at Atlanta and drink pepsi and say how much you love pepsi all day, they will fire your ass. They may drag you behind a car for a while afterwards. I went to Atlanta, I couldn't find a can of pepsi for miles...

Know why they didn't all get their ass fired? Because I'm not their boss. :)

AbominatioN

08-12-2006, 01:23 PM

To tell you the truth, I can not take seriously anyone that complains about the price of PS3.

All this "It is 100/200$ more expensive than the competitor", "i can get wii & xbox2 at that price" is just plain BS for me. From people that complain all the time for everything.

100$ is not that huge difference for a game console. 100$ more for a period of 5+ years! Those extra 100$ allows you to play all your favorite games. New & old.

For sanity's sake... We are not talking about buying a 20K or a 25K car. 5000$ are a lot of money. But 100$ is not! If i can afford a 400$ xbox, then i can afford a 500$ PS3. Even if it means that for a month i must cut money from something else(not talking about food/rent/electricity). Even in extreme occasions, you can save those extra needed 100$ in 3 months.

I refuse to accept that those extra 100$ will ruin the home budget for someone.

I've got friends that complain that 500/600E is a lot of money for the PS3 and that the 400$ xbox2 is a lot better, yet every year they buy a new mobile phone that costs 300+ euros, they change their pc gpu every 9 months with a new one that costs 400+ euros, and every 12-18 months they change the whole m/b, cpu for 500+ euros.

ps. I used the 500E PS3 sku, because that it is merely a game console (+ BD player). The 600E sku is a game console (+ BD player) + extra multimedia functionality, that targets the hardcore users. And hardcore users can afford almost anything :p

Smokey

08-12-2006, 01:30 PM

totally agree AbominatioN makes me laugh mate :)

McLaren

08-12-2006, 04:13 PM

one man doesnt change the whole world's opinion

archy121

08-12-2006, 04:17 PM

I belive the concern of many individuals is not the price alone but a combination of games + graphics power + price of the PS3.

I feel currently PS3 is failing on all fronts for the fickle mass consumer who is looking for a straight forward games console with best gaming graphics & price combination.

The BluRay will be seen by the mass's as a bonus inclusion & not enough to justify paying the higher price tag. Sure the techy's & hardcore gamers will have there sperate reasons to buy it but they form the minority.The only way that PS3 can justify its current price point is by delivering final hardware that can clearly differentiate its games quality from its main competitor. So far the graphics quality between it & XBOX360 is percived as being marginal.

I have written in more detail on this subject here if you care to read:

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1189888&postcount=291
(taken from the RSX G80 thread)

Unless Sony makes some good changes to the final PS3 hardware to boost the graphics potential of the console or change the price, i can see why more than just the mass's will be turning to the Dark Side.

Archy

Pumpkin Head

08-12-2006, 05:57 PM

PS3 is going too blow away all the Haters.watch when Tgs come around..

Beenie Man

08-12-2006, 06:29 PM

Don't you think your hopes are a little too high.

Leedogg

08-12-2006, 07:25 PM

that link for OPM is not up anymore,

It says its not in the database....

Interesting, that they took it down. Probably pressure from Sony.

Nameless

08-12-2006, 07:32 PM

I just don't understand the thought process...
Lately I keep hearing the argument that the PS3 needs an HD television to truly appreciate the purchase. I honestly think this is a somewhat misleading statement. I agree it would be beneficial to have a HD television to truly appreciate HD game visuals & clarity and Blu-ray movies, but if you don't own a HD set it does not make your PS3 a worthless doorstop...

First off this HD television argument would apply to the 360 & the PS3, since both consoles hype the HD gaming era. If you want to play the next versions of your favorite gaming titles or play new games created to harness the processing power of the new consoles you don't need an HD television to enjoy the experience. The HD visuals add to the overall gaming experience, but the games on the next-gen consoles will be strong titles regardless of the visual output.

I personally like the fact that the PS3 will be fairly future proof, because it was frustrating for me to own a HD television and not have my PS2 properly support it, but the Xbox titles looked good in 480P or 720P. I agree the price tag is high, but gamers will enjoy the next iteration of their favorite IPs regardless of the television output. If not having an HD television is such an issue why buy a new console at all or just get the Wii. Peace

Viper

08-12-2006, 08:16 PM

Matt Cassamisama, Editor in chief of the Nintendo channel at IGN, is well known for outright bashing Nintendo and the Wii yet is he fired? No.

Does this change her writing? No. Let it go.

Kabbage

08-12-2006, 08:33 PM

Matt Cassamisama, Editor in chief of the Nintendo channel at IGN, is well known for outright bashing Nintendo and the Wii yet is he fired? No.

Does this change her writing? No. Let it go.

Does Matt Write for an official Nintendo Magazine

VideoGame mania

08-12-2006, 08:37 PM

good example Gamecube $199 vs PS2 $299 =ps2 $100 more+86mil userbase advantage over Gamecube.See $ 100 more didnt stop people from buying the system with more tech inside aka dvd,online,cd drive.

NoName

08-12-2006, 08:39 PM

A little off topic, but did anyone notice she said Assasin(assuming Assasins Creed) is coming to the 360 and PS3 at the same time. I hope that is not true or maybe she accidently let something slip that was not suppose to be known yet.

yoshaw

08-12-2006, 08:40 PM

Does this change her writing? No. Let it go.

Quoted for Truth! :wave:

Black Dragon37

08-12-2006, 11:59 PM

I know the biggest problem with the PS3 is the high price tag.Fixed.

Nobody would complain about HDMI, Wi-FI built-in or especially Blu-ray if there wasn't an expensive tag to come with this console.

Xerxes

08-13-2006, 12:43 AM

Assassin's Creed is for the X360??!

VG Aficionado

08-13-2006, 12:50 AM

Assassin's Creed is for the X360??!It's only been announced for PS3, but Ubisoft is known for making multiplatform titles and there's not much information on exclusivity deals. 360/PC versions are not announced, but I don't find this impossible to happen.

nwo504

08-13-2006, 12:51 AM

Why are people still complaining about the price?They should have gotten all of this off of their chest the week after e3. Why would she want the $600 version if she dosen't care about blu-ray?

Omega Blue

08-13-2006, 01:28 AM

All that matters is what you are doing, do i know/care of this person who wrote the article is buying a Ps3? no...not really. Do i know/care if any of the persons whom i dont know, in my apartment complex are buying a Ps3? no...i dont. Am i going to buy a Ps3? Yes...and thats all that matters to me. People are reading waaaaaay into some things.

nelposto

08-13-2006, 01:31 AM

I refuse to accept that those extra 100$ will ruin the home budget for someone.

Your choice, but I call that an extremely narrowminded view. And I think that we get enough comments from people and stories like this one to infer that the extra $100 does become a dealbreaker for many.

-It's not so much about being an extra $100, but being an extra $100 on top of $400 already.

-You don't have to be in the lowest of low classes to find the price of the PS3 difficult to manage. And of course when we say extra $100, we're talking about the cheaper sku. Who wants to purchase a 'crippled' system? People like the OPM editor realise the differences, and (apparently) aren't interested in the cheap version. When you're already spending $500 on a videogame console, you don't want to be getting the inferior version -- I know it works like this for me. For this reason, I think in many people's case, the difference is not $100, but the full $200. I know you (AbominatioN) justified your use of the $500 version in comparisons .. but I'd be interested in getting a reading of how many people are actually considering purchase of it.

As many people have already brought up, it comes down to the PS3 justifing its high price tag. Yah yah, I know, Blu-Ray.. 1080p.. or whatever.. but so many people just don't care at the moment (and yet this may not stop them from wanting the expensive version).

First off this HD television argument would apply to the 360 & the PS3, since both consoles hype the HD gaming era.

But consider then, that not having an HD television will result (I assume) in little to no difference between the graphics you see from an xbox360 and that of the ps3.

Which again makes it harder to justify spending the extra money on.

DC_613

08-13-2006, 02:48 AM

How can she/he accurately review games then? if they supposedly dont get hardware or anything then they cant really review PS3 games properly when they come out...........because you know, it will look good on normal TV but its gonna look awesome in 1080p on a HD-TV and you cant really review the game graphics wise based on what you see on a crappy TV.

AbominatioN

08-13-2006, 02:56 AM

Your choice, but I call that an extremely narrowminded view. And I think that we get enough comments from people and stories like this one to infer that the extra $100 does become a dealbreaker for many.

-It's not so much about being an extra $100, but being an extra $100 on top of $400 already.

-You don't have to be in the lowest of low classes to find the price of the PS3 difficult to manage. And of course when we say extra $100, we're talking about the cheaper sku. Who wants to purchase a 'crippled' system? People like the OPM editor realise the differences, and (apparently) aren't interested in the cheap version. When you're already spending $500 on a video-game console, you don't want to be getting the inferior version -- I know it works like this for me. For this reason, I think in many people's case, the difference is not $100, but the full $200. I know you (AbominatioN) justified your use of the $500 version in comparisons .. but I'd be interested in getting a reading of how many people are actually considering purchase of it.

As many people have already brought up, it comes down to the PS3 justifying its high price tag. Yah yah, I know, Blu-Ray.. 1080p.. or whatever.. but so many people just don't care at the moment (and yet this may not stop them from wanting the expensive version).

I agree with you on the people wanting the expensive version, and not the low sku because the low sku feels "crippled". But i do not agree on the "crippled". Most consumers, want a console just for games and nothing else. And the 500$ sku offers that. It is not crippled at all. At least for the simple gamer.

The author of the article states that he has a 21" SD tv, he is not a audiophile, the doesn't care about HD. He doesn't care about all this tech. He just likes to play his games. And that is fine !!!

But he is an editor in a big console magazine (and not a 12 years old misinformed, difficult to understand kid). He has to know that the 500$ sku suits him fine. Yet he chooses the high end 600$ for his complains about the price. He understands that "600$ PS3", sounds heavier (can't find a better word, my english sux) than "500$ PS3" as an excuse for his price complain.

And that is my main argument with his article.

PS. Perhaps i was a bit harsh on my opinion about how people sees that difference in the price. My apologies !

yoshaw

08-13-2006, 03:03 AM

How can she/he accurately review games then?

At her office, obviously(!), where they would be having PS3 kits with HDTV hooked upto them like the rest of the 1up staff.

That's the thing to realize! Her reviews or her office work has nothing to do with her personal console choice at home. That's the whole point, which unfortunately, even a lot of sane people around the net are refusing to accept. It's troubling to note that such a small thing has become a major insecurity so suddenly.

If we step back a lil bit and look at the whole picture, nothing has gone so awry as to call riots for. She'll be doing her reviews like always at her office on PS3's and write for OPM .. like always.

:)

Nameless

08-13-2006, 03:46 AM

Yoshaw,
I understand your position regarding freedom of speech, but in the corporate world things are not so simple my friend. I think the move to write a blog was irresponsible on the part of the editor. Since she represents a Sony exclusive publication, this information would be considered very inflammatory and would spread like wild fire on the internet... Considering Microsoft is a powerful viral marketing firm, I'm sure they are waiting for this type of ammunition to continue their anti Sony campaign. (Not a knock against Microsoft, it's just how business is done...)

Sony can't technically fire the young lady, but they could cut back on their OPM advertising funding or let other magazines get exclusives on stories about the ps3 and games. Any of these actions could lead to the young lady losing her job... It's just poor judgment on the part of the editor, she is entitled to her "personal" opinion I just think the comments should not have been made publicly. (Considering the magazine she represents)

It's kind of like going to Verizon wireless to partner on business ventures, but always carry a Sprint phone. It's just not very professional and would not foster the collaborative spirit with the business partner. Peace

Jubal

08-13-2006, 03:49 AM

Four pages? Guys c'mon... talk about making a mountain out of a mole-hill

chrismt

08-13-2006, 03:54 AM

Hmm it depends.

If it was published in OPM, then Sony would definately have ammunition to do something to her, but due to her apparently only putting the rant on 1up it can be passed on as long as this isn't widely spread and it brings a LOT of negative publicity to Sony.

On the article itself, I can understand where she is coming from and each person is allowed an opinion, but some things should be kept to oneself. Either way, it is highly unlikely any disciplinary action will be taken and it shouldn't change anybody's opinion except for hers.

backbreaker

08-13-2006, 04:02 AM

I would be more incline to believe in her statement, if, this comment was made in lets say the end of May. The PS3 price announcement was made in Mid-May.

Also, remember that the OPM editor works for ziff-davis, which publishes OPM, CVG, OXM so it is console agnostic.

Her story would have a lot more believabilty if she would have wrote why I bought a X360. This has nothing to do with discretionary funds or the ability to play at work it had everything to do with "moth to a flame. The PS3 price was announced long ago, and her we are approaching Sept. lets count May, June, July and Aug. In that time period, a working editor couldn't save up and buy a X360 give me a break.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it

EvilTaru

08-13-2006, 04:12 AM

Ziff Davis as a publication company has been doing a lot of seriously negative press on Sony in general, with little to no coverage on PS3 games at all (this is something I have the most problems with because their PS3 GAMES coverage is PATHETIC), I'm not sure why the editors would go this far, on a weekly basis, of bashing the PS3 to the ground in their podcasts, regardless of the PS3 price (the console will sell out even at the price announced) because basically Sony went from just having one bad E3 to this unbelievably bad "doomsday scenario" while still having most of the best IPs, both first/second-party as well as exclusive third-party, it's like ZD editors are deliberately ignoring these IPs and just saying "screw PS3".

I question why Sony would even continue their relationship with ZD at this point, especially when an OPM editor would write something like this in her blog, this is not only "bad internet PR" for Sony, this damages OPM as a magazine. Why even continue this magazine if an editor does not even believe the console is worth purchasing at launch?

Why even cover the launch games if that is the case? They aren't worth purchasing a console for according to the editor of OPM. Why should I even pick up this magazine when the magazine itself doesn't even believe in the console it's covering, not to mention the fact that the magazine is not even giving sufficient coverage on a major next-gen console which the magazine is basically designed to do (don't tell me they "cover PS2 and PSP too" because PS3 will be Sony's main platform when it launches)?

When Sony can distribute the demos online, is there even a point to people buying OPM just for the disc anymore? Should Sony even bother to distribute the demo discs through OPM anymore? Why not work with PSM instead when PSM is hell of alot more positive towards ACTUALLY COVERING PS3 GAMES?

I'm not against Dana Jongeward's own personal opinion, I'm not sure whether the 1UP space is an appropriate space to express such an opinion because the 1UP blog to an editor isn't exactly a "personal" blog, no matter how hard they try to make people believe it. This isn't about "free speech", it's about common sense, like another poster said, you can't really work for Coca Cola and publicly go around telling people that you would choose Pepsi, same thing if you work for an ad company promoting Coca Cola products, it's pretty stupid to make public statements against Coca Cola products. And a console-specific magazine isn't really the kind of publication that should really be promoting a competitor product, it's counter-intuitive.

What she does privately based on what she can or cannot afford personally, should be kept private, this whole "let me blog so I can say whatever I want on a corporate website" is seriously blurring the line between personal feelings and what could be misconstrued as the opinion of OPM the magazine. This is a serious problem. The OPM radio podcasts have been just these folks yapping away about their personal lives, instead of what's ultimately important, THE GAMES. Perhaps that is why PSM got the exclusive on Resistance and not OPM, the problem with straining the relationship with Sony like this is that not only is Dana Jongeward affected, people like Tom Byron and others will be affected if the magazine is no more.

Nameless

08-13-2006, 04:16 AM

Well said and I completely agree...

MasaC

08-13-2006, 04:26 AM

All these complaints about the price, when will it stop?

People are paying $400 for a farking iPod for christsakes! Not everyone thinks it's worth it but those who really want one gladly put up the money.

It's all about perception of value. Each to his own, OK?

Applefiend

08-13-2006, 05:33 AM

Yup, OPM podcast is rotten. All the do is yap about their personal lives, I couldn't care less, they're not friends or famous, and talk about bloody 360 games like Oblivion. This to an audience hungry for PS2/PS3/PSP news.

They're just making a name for themselves as a bunch of assclowns. I wouldn't buy any magazine they produce. Them going on about the price is like a Nintendo magazine editor going on about kiddy games, lack of HD, and the Wiimote being a gimmick. It's pathetic.

Thankfully I live in New Zealand so I won't have to put up with these idiots.

But yeah, with a big meaty 60GB hard drive and downloadable demos, who needs DVD magazines anymore? I get my news from sites like this one, and my reviews in HD Video from Gamespot. GS seem fair, they hate everything. :)

Viper

08-13-2006, 05:33 AM

Some of you guys must have completely missed the past 8 years of Nintendo bashing by the press. You get one editor harping on the price, a well warranted harping at that, and you guys go nuts over anti-Sony rhetoric.

gnznroses

08-13-2006, 05:44 AM

GTA4 and Assassins will be available for the 360 at the same time
wth is he talking about? Assassins? Assassin's Creed? thought it was still ps3 exclusive?

Applefiend

08-13-2006, 05:53 AM

Dude is half right. GTA4 will be available at the same time. :)

VideoGame mania

08-13-2006, 06:27 AM

wth is he talking about? Assassins? Assassin's Creed? thought it was still ps3 exclusive?
I guess not,Sony blew it,and they will pay for it,by losing more userbase to a cheaper system.And all this bad press,blogs,ect will damage Sony greatly.Sony just sit on their asses and dont say a word.LOL

Viano

08-13-2006, 07:46 AM

I guess not,Sony blew it,and they will pay for it,by losing more userbase to a cheaper system.And all this bad press,blogs,ect will damage Sony greatly.Sony just sit on their asses and dont say a word.LOL

yeah I hope sony die too, reading the portion of home console from famitsu states the 100:0.1^∞ between ps2 and x2 every month in where I live is very boring and quite disturbing you know.

VideoGame mania

08-13-2006, 07:50 AM

yeah I hope sony die too, reading the portion of home console from famitsu states the 100:0.1^∞ between ps2 and x2 every month in where I live is very boring and quite disturbing you know.
why did you mention x2 and ps2? we all know xbox is dead in Japan.And did I say I wanted Sony to die? I assume you live in Japan

Viano

08-13-2006, 07:57 AM

why did you mention x2 and ps2? we all know xbox(x2 as well my friend lol) is dead in Japan.And did I say I wanted Sony to die? I assume you live in Japan

Well, because I found it very strange yet funny that the next-gen is killed by this gen, lol, the biggest joke you can ever find lOl.

.®

08-13-2006, 03:40 PM

I think she should be fired simply put. You cant work at coca cola and write on your blog pepsi tastes better. Even if she was thinking it I beleive writing it for the entire world to read was a very stupid thing to do. She works for the Official Playstation Magazine, not just another gaming mag. Her comments look like nothing more than an attempt to gain attention.

My 2 cents...

woundingchaney

08-13-2006, 03:45 PM

wth is he talking about? Assassins? Assassin's Creed? thought it was still ps3 exclusive?
Yes it is but recently there has been a slew of rumors supporting that it will be a simultaneous launch for both the PS3 and 360. Although this is nothing but rumors and "officially" the game is exclusive to Sony's platform.

cliffbo

08-13-2006, 04:15 PM

yeh, it is a bit stupid of her to write a blog like this. this is annoying more than worrying, but what is worrying is that the anti Sony rhetoric that is currently doing the rounds at a webpage near you, is beginning to spread a malaise throughout the Sony community (us included) it will damage Sony, there is no doubt, but it will only dull our enthusiasm in the short term. in the long term, Sony will pull through and we will have the biggest last laugh for years. ;)

Black Dragon37

08-13-2006, 04:25 PM

Will the negative attitude towards Sony destroy them?

Wasn't there PS2 passiveness even worse than the PS3's?

cliffbo

08-13-2006, 04:28 PM

Will the negative attitude towards Sony destroy them?

Wasn't there PS2 passiveness even worse than the PS3's?

no it won't destroy them but it will leave a few scars.

Domination

08-13-2006, 04:55 PM

The author is correct on the price. I tried to stress this the moment it was annoucned. There is no way around it. For those unable to afford it (the wide consumer base), the console is expensive. But for what it offers, it is completely justified, IMO.

Like most, what I don't understand is why would the $600 model be important if a lot of the features that it offered over the $500 model were not of any interest to the author. She has her opinion, but I think it needs to be clarified first.

Beenie Man

08-13-2006, 06:49 PM

Well she wanted the moaning of the high price tag to seem much heavier by only mentioning the $600 PS3.

cliffbo

08-13-2006, 06:55 PM

would she have been so negative if she'd been given one free? spoilt, greedy, selfish... spring to mind.

Viano

08-13-2006, 07:14 PM

everyone go buy lotto now, and whoever wins spread the money,
case closed.

Danji

08-13-2006, 09:33 PM

Worst thread ever..jesus. This is tabloid level news. Why should ANY of us give a crap about one person's preference on this issue just because that person is in the industry? If you are so weak-willed that you have to have your oppinion of consoles and other things formed by people that are "better than you" then that's just f***ing pitiful.

woundingchaney

08-13-2006, 11:24 PM

overclocked

08-14-2006, 12:51 AM

Just my personal opinion but how can something like this make so much noise? Plain and simple Circus imo.
Thankfully its soon over though i hope. :)

Domination

08-14-2006, 01:55 AM

Pluto

08-14-2006, 02:29 AM

Then I guess one lucky person will be getting the Playstation 3 she doesn't buy!

Hooray! She just made a kid's dream come true.

Sypher

08-14-2006, 02:59 AM

OPM@ziffdavis.com

There's their email. I just sent message on how I feel about Dana blog comments, I suggest you do the same. This type of crap is ridiculous. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. And as for their podcast, dont get me started.

Typical RadiOPM Podcast:
"We have a game"
"Is it for PS3?"
"Yes"
"Tell me about it"
"Well it uses the controller and displays on a tv......"
"OMG OBLIVION LOL"
"When I was three i ate a roach..."
"Uh guys, 'bout that game?"
"What? You don't wanna hear about how much ive been playing *insert non PS game*?"
"Not really......."
"Oh..... Well be sure to check out our EXCLUSIVE(read: on every gaming site) preview of....some....game for the new Sony machine......yeah"
"WOOT 360!!!!"

Beenie Man

08-14-2006, 04:12 AM

C'mon guys, she is only one person expressing her opinion. Would you guys be speculating the doom of DVD if somebody who doesn't want to upgrade says VHS is just fine or the people who still used cassettes when the CD-ROM came around and they found CD-ROMs useless. No. The internet, the journalist, and other media are just that. The media. The public is the real deciding factor.

Nameless

08-14-2006, 04:17 AM

I think this thread has run it's course...
Time to shut her down :closed:

Sypher

08-14-2006, 04:17 AM

It not the fact that she said it, it that shes representing a product and to badmouth it to the public is unprofessional.

yoshaw

08-14-2006, 04:20 AM

Agree with Nameless. Please make it stop!

Pumpkin Head

08-14-2006, 04:42 AM

She's full of stuff! Priced too high for the average consumer? What a LOAD! Toyota outsells Ford for a reason and the differense sure as hell ain't a bill or two!

venomv

08-14-2006, 06:28 AM

I agree with everyone who said there is zero reson to get bent outta shape by this. Sure she said $600 when she obviously doesn't want what it offers, but it does prove her point better.

bRoNx

08-14-2006, 01:22 PM

Put yourself in SONY's shoes. You have this working relationship with a magazine who are out there to promote your product, and sing your praises from the mountains to the valleys. You have your latest console ready to go, after years of investments and hard work at promoting this...then this blog.

Yes, it's her personal opinion...BUT...on the web for the world to see? AND, it clearly states next to her name that she's an OPM Editor. Wait, that's the same mag that you rely on to promote your game conso...sorry KK, computer lol! Now people won't see her as just another grumpy blogger. NO. She's now referred to as the OPM Editor. Where's the love? Where's the loyalty? Where's her faith in the product that she's "supposed" to help promote? I believe this has done more damage than M$ ever could've hoped for...because it's like your own people turning on you.

Nevermind your cries to ignore her. It's not that simple, and the fact that it's on it's 5th page on a PS3 fansite is evident to that. The internet is crazy. You say one thing and BOOM, everyone and their mama hears about it.

Her comments don't phaze me, but I'm just curious as to what you guys would do if you were SONY. Would you honestly expect people to take that mag seriously after their own editor comes at you all guns blazing? Seems a little unprofessional if you ask me...don't you think?