Microsoft games director dismisses '1080'.

[Fats]

The director of games at Microsoft has written on his personal blog that '1080' for gamers is meaningless. Though the Playstation 3 will output at 1080p, Andre Vrignaud says that most games will stick at 720p because of developers wanting to release games for both PS3 and Xbox. He predicts that there won't be any 1080i/p games for the PS3 this year.

He seems to be making a statement about 1080p in general (it's hyped) rather than simply for gaming, though this is the main emphasis. He quotes an article from Home Theatre Magazine which describes pull-down (basically, getting 24 frames to display on a 60Hz TV), and says that the main difference between 1080i and 1080p is where the de-interlacing is done.

He also manages to get a mention of the difference in encoding quality between HD DVD and Blu-ray (he's not going to side with Blu-ray, is he).

Closing, he says: "To sum up, don't get sucked into all the 1080p hype. Just make sure you have a recent HDTV that de-interlaces 1080i signals correctly and you'll be just fine."

An interesting read that goes beyond the realm of high-def gaming.

Source (http://www.hdtvuk.tv/2006/08/microsoft_games.html)

[Pumpkin Head]

yeah like I'm going to believe a xbot:lick:

[Crossbar]

Damage Control, Damage Control!!!!!!

[CARTIER90]

You have to admit though , he has a point. There are not too many devs who will be capable of 1080 i or P AND maintain a 60 FPS framerate....and that people is more important , at least IMO....a smooth framerate.

[Fats]

Yeah, but given time this is something that should become more and more common place. I was a little reluctant to posting this, given the fact that it was a Microsoft employee that stated it, but news is news after all.

[VG Aficionado]

Closing, he says: "To sum up, don't get sucked into all the 1080p hype. Just make sure you have a recent HDTV that de-interlaces 1080i signals correctly and you'll be just fine.":laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

My god, where are the real news? Any idiot can publish all kinds of garbage this days on the internet and get some attention simply because the people have nothing else to read. Let's hope by the time TGS is over, we see these things less and less oftenly.

[MaceSin]

1080p probably won't big this generation with video games so he has a point. Next generation is when 1080p will matter more and even then not many people will own 1080p HDTVs.

[Viano]

bs, as long as GT5 supports 1080p..

[Fats]

1080p probably won't big this generation with video games so he has a point. Next generation is when 1080p will matter more and even then not many people will own 1080p HDTVs.

Next generation being, what, 10 years away? I'd like to think that by that stage 1080p TV's are common.

[Old_Timer!]

It's too late for Microsoft to turn back now, so they have to downplay all of Sony's high points. Remember what Kutaragi san said, PS3 will be capable of a refresh rate of 120Hz/120fps. Also at 1080P and more in the future, Microsoft has been on the banwagon of 1080p is not possible for a good while now. I don't see them getting off until it crashes LoL, hopefully the wall they are headed to is TGS.

[Crossbar]

Next generation being, what, 10 years away? I'd like to think that by that stage 1080p TV's are common.
Next generation will probably kick in earlier than 10 years away.

I think 1080p screens will start to sell in volumes much earlier than that. It will of course take time before there will be significant market penetration in the homes as most people don't change TV that often.

Anyway the PS3 will be there to take advantage of 1080p whenever it takes off, the 360 is not. This together with the storage media are what make me believe MS is aiming for a shorter life cycle than Sony.

[MaceSin]

Next generation being, what, 10 years away? I'd like to think that by that stage 1080p TV's are common.

10 years?

Make that 5-6 years. 1080p tvs will be more common but it won't probably won't be all that common. Sorry if that came out alittle confusing...

Anyway I hope by that time 1080p is the standard since I'm going to buy a 1080p TV in a year or two.

[Fats]

5-6 years is still plenty of time for 1080p TV's to make an impact. I mentioned "10 years" as that's what Sony is aiming for.

[edoshin]

Playing catchup would not be new territory for MS .. afterall, the whole Internet thing caught them off guard.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Fats, I don't think that Sony are aiming to launch PS4 in 2016, but to stop producing PS3 by then. PS4 will probably launch late 2011, if the industry remain the same way it's been 'till now, that is.

Also, 1080p TV's will probably become mass-market around 2010, if not a little earlier, so I predict that ~35-45% of the TV's in the I-countries will be 1080p around PS4's release.

[Fats]

Fats, I don't think that Sony are aiming to launch PS4 in 2016, but to stop producing PS3 by then. PS4 will probably launch late 2011, if the industry remain the same way it's been 'till now, that is.

Also, 1080p TV's will probably become mass-market around 2010, if not a little earlier, so I predict that ~35-45% of the TV's in the I-countries will be 1080p around PS4's release.

Yeah, I understand that and that's... Sort of what I was saying. :beer:

[frosty]

Um, yeah. 1080p isn't that great. More than a million pixels added to the picture? Nah! You won't be able to tell the difference from 720p! Double the pixels of 1080i? Nah! It's the same! 3/2 film pulldown does interlace CERTAIN frames to that it can stretch it to fill 30 frames per second, but it in no way is interlacing. Interlacing does it on every frame, wheras pulldown only does this on certain frames. Oddly enough he fails to mention that this same 3/2 pulldown process is done on his precious 720p and 1080i sets as well, so 1080p still maintains the higher picture quality in the process.

[venomv]

The director of games at Microsoft has written on his personal blog that '1080' for gamers is meaningless. Though the Playstation 3 will output at 1080p, Andre Vrignaud says that most games will stick at 720p because of developers wanting to release games for both PS3 and Xbox. He predicts that there won't be any 1080i/p games for the PS3 this year.


All probably true, multiplatform games will probably be in 720p for PS3 and 360. And Sony doesn't have much time this year to get 1080p games out, who knows what the games will accually be when they launch.

[woundingchaney]

Considering the amount of graphical fidelity that is compromised in order to run a game at 1080, I would say that no it isnt a big deal nor will we see much of it this gen regardless of what console. Sure the PS3 has the power to run games at 1080, so does the 360 but a much more achievable pin-point would be 720p that is why MS has targetted 720 and that is why the vast amount of PS3 games are going to be 720..

[Coded-Dude]

Considering the amount of graphical fidelity that is compromised in order to run a game at 1080, I would say that no it isnt a big deal nor will we see much of it this gen regardless of what console.Lair rumors suggest otherwise.....but only time will tell.

[woundingchaney]

Lair rumors suggest otherwise.....but only time will tell.
Yes we will see.

[RavenFox]

This is what Microsoft should do right about Nov 17th... Lol just having some fun ;-)
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[Smokey]

lol :)

[Viano]

well, it is sort of a big deal for anyone who owns a 1080p tv. besides, gt5 is going to support 1080p, and I don't see a point arguing most games will only support 720p or x2 can do 1080p since only ps3 will let you play 1080p games after all..

[jaxmkii]

bs, as long as GT5 supports 1080p..
no kidding if GT4 supports 1080i why cant more games support it in the ps3 gen???

MS is bashing what they dont have what a suprise:heybaby:

[jaxmkii]

:rockon: This is what Microsoft should do right about Nov 17th... Lol just having some fun ;-)
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[frosty]

1080i and p are not the same. p requires twice as much on screen info and i isn't better than 720p when it comes to gaming. To add to that, GT4 is upscaled 1080i, not the real deal.

[Viano]

GT4　480i ～

http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/sp/detail.do?article_id=165

[jaxmkii]

1080i and p are not the same. p requires twice as much on screen info and i isn't better than 720p when it comes to gaming. To add to that, GT4 is upscaled 1080i, not the real deal. yea i know 1080i requires half the processing power as 1080p due to its only half the lines drawn per second. so with that in mind if "GT5" is 1080p why can't more games be 1080i since it would be easier.

[jaxmkii]

GT4　480i ～

http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/sp/detail.do?article_id=165
WRONG!

GT4 by default is 480i but there is the option to turn it up to 480p or 1080i...

i own the i play it in 1080i

Tourist trophy is also 1080i

[Viano]

yea i know 1080i requireds half the processing power as 1080p due to its only half the lines drawn per second. so with that in ming if "GT5" is 1080p why can't more games be 1080i scince it would be easyer

maybe different genres?

[Viano]

WRONG!

GT4 by default is 480i but there is the option to turn it up to 480p or 1080i...

i own the i play it in 1080i

Tourist trophy is also 1080i

! I guess i'll have to replay again then lOl

[yoshaw]

Lil correction jaxmkii,

GT5 is NOT 1080p. Atleast not disclosed officially so far. The only thing we knew at E3 06 was that GTHD is 1080p. We still need to make sure whether Sony plans to go ahead and release GTHD or wants to make a proper game called GT5. Yes, I know what has happened in the past, I'm only saying things aren't finalized yet as 1080p or whatever have you. So before we go on and assume GT5 would be 1080p, lets wait till GTHD is confirmed as canned.

[frosty]

As I said, for gaming 720p is better since there is usually fast motion on screen and a progressive display always handles fast motion better than interlaced.

[woundingchaney]

As I said, for gaming 720p is better since there is usually fast motion on screen and a progressive display always handles fast motion better than interlaced.
QFT

[Smokey]

i reckon GTHD will be a Stopgap till we get proper GT5 :)

EDIT:and what frosty says is the truth

[Viano]

well, I guess it's pretty safe to say GT5 supports 1080P since things should not be going backaward..

oh..the controller..

[frosty]

Well, the fact that GT4 tries so hard to hit 1080i and GT:HD is 1080p, they really do seem to have that 1080 number stuck in their heads.

[RavenFox]

Agreed. Kazunori San knows how to bring the best out of his crew and the machine hes working on.

[Kiosko]

If Lair turns out to be 1080p like they're aiming for it to be, then Microsoft has to take that back.

[frosty]

This is quite ammusing:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=24902136&sid=6155872
What we heard: Ever since the Xbox 360 was first shown to the public in May 2005, rumors have surrounded it. Once the specs for the console were revealed, the speculation shifted from what the console could do at present, to what it will be able to do in the future.

Microsoft answered part of that question at E3 this year, unveiling several new peripherals, announcing Live Anywhere, and taking the wraps off the 360's external HD-DVD drive. Many speculated that premium, hard drive-equipped 360s fitted with the unpriced HD-DVD drive would cost around $600 a pop--that is, $399 plus a rumored $199. That's as much as the high-end model of the Blu-ray drive-equipped PlayStation 3, which has taken considerable flak for its premium price point.

This week, two sources reported that the 360 HD-DVD drive will indeed ring up at around $200. First was Digitimes, which stated flatly on Monday that "Microsoft will launch external HD-DVD drives for its Xbox 360 at a retail price of US$200 by Christmas of this year."

Seconding that opinion was HardOCP, which yesterday included the HD-DVD price point report as part of a piece titled "Xbox360 Roadmap Peeked At." The site elaborated on the add-on, saying it would "only require component inputs. ... No HDMI in sight." It also said that Microsoft would be releasing a cable to support 1080p video output. However, "little more information is known on [1080 output] or if there will be a gaming performance impact."

Last but not least, HardOCP revealed that the Xbox 360 would soon get functionality borrowed from a Windows Media Center PC. "While this is not a term that Microsoft used, the Xbox360 will be seeing an added on 'media jukebox' for handling tons of movies, video, pictures, and music," said the site. No mention was made as to whether Microsoft was going to release larger-capacity "outrigger" hard drives to store said media, since many 360 owners' 20GB HDDs are getting nearly full with game demos, trailers, and saves.

In other 360-rumor news, Digitalbattle reported that Microsoft is mulling a second controller specifically for first-person shooters. "The new controller would have an improved and more precise right analog stick for games requiring higher precision," read the report, which sourced Microsoft’s product unit manager Robert Walker's presentation at the Microsoft Gamefest developers' conference. Strangely, though, firsthand accounts of Walker's Monday speech, like the exhaustive recap of the session on FiringSquad.com, make no mention of an FPS-centric controller.

The official story: So what does Microsoft have to say about all this? Not much, unsurprisingly. Regarding the HD-DVD, "We haven't announced any pricing or availability at this point so we'll keep you posted," a rep for the game giant said regarding the HD-DVD. The same rep wouldn't comment on 1080p support and media jukebox functionality and would say only that "we have not made any announcements about a new Xbox 360 controller."

Bogus or not bogus?: $200 360 HD-DVDD? If bogus, it's a close estimate. Support for 1080p? Almost certainly. Media jukebox? Sounds probable, given that Windows Media Center PCs already have similar functionality. New FPS-specific controller? The jury's out on that one, but it would make sense.


So.... You pay $400 for a 20 gb 360, $200 for a HD-DVD add on... and then have to have no HDMI (thus no HD movie output for HDCP titles) and you get 40 GB less HDD space for the same price as a PS3. The only other cable that supports 1080p is DVI, which wouldn't be hdcp compliant.


And MS is saying 1080p is no good out one face while saying this out the other, too funny.

[saxdawg00]

Now watch Team Ico's next game come out in 1080p and put all of the haters to sleep.

[Domination]

1080p probably won't big this generation with video games so he has a point. Next generation is when 1080p will matter more and even then not many people will own 1080p HDTVs.

First off, the reaction is no surprise. I mean, if you don't have it, why boast about it? :shrug: But just remember, the original Xbox was in a very similiar situation to the PS2; it is only the opposite direction now. Yet, the luxury didn't seem as "useless" back then, but ok... :speechles

Lastly, why bother offering an add-on? :wave:

[DC_613]

Heh lol you can see them doing a whole lot of back tracking, it appears they are going for the

"ANYTHING WE DONT HAVE ISNT IMPORTANT"

Blu-ray, we dont need no larger storage capacity, storage capacity doesnt matter............ now they have a HD-DVD and rumours are seculating they are planning on HD-DVD games.

1080p doesnt matter till next gen, which will probly be 3-4 years going by Microsofts console life cycle.......... errrr if it doesnt matter this gen, why will it next gen....... cause it does matter and you got your ass handed 2 u.

Motion sensing controllers dont matter............ now news from gamefest suggest Microsoft is planning a redesign of the controller....

Its really quite funny but it does make me wish i didnt get my 360 at launch. Oh wells atleast we get the whole kit with the PS3, someones gotta do something right NEXT gen, might aswell be the leader.

[Nameless]

I remember this same thread subject and comments months ago...(These comments from MS is nothing new...)
I guess we are just short on news and will discuss the same BS over & over... :crazy2:

Why even speculate about 1080P gaming, I'm waiting for games to be announced that support the feature. I'm looking forward to TGS, because we are in a real PS3 news drought and that's somewhat troubling considering the launch is quickly approaching. Peace

[Sypher]

Well lets think. We KNOW FFXIII, MGS4, Untold Legends(I think) and Lair will be 1080p, so i think its safe to say that most of our HD goodness will come from exclusives and first party.

[Viano]

FFXIII still not confirmed?

[yoshaw]

Sypher, those games are speculated (or hinted at best) to utilize 1080. Not to mention in some cases its not even obvious whether progressive or interlaced would be the final choice. I don't think we should make absolutes of such things so soon.

[Sypher]

FXIII is a very good bet to use 1080p, being that its atleast 1-2 years off and is being solely developed for the system. I'm just wondering as it becomes easier to achieve 1080, will developers use PS3 as the main system and then downscale it for the 360/Wii, or will they just use the 360 since its in the middle?

[Old_Timer!]

You know even though topics like this cause's flame wars, it makes for a good laugh.
Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=18975
"99% of PS3 titles will natively render at 720p; the few that come out with 1080"x" support are either going to be simple classic arcade ports that don't need to render complex scenes... Or will give up a lot of in-game visual effects and simply won't look very good (hence the poor showing of Gran Turismo "HD" at this past E3)," he continued.

I can't believe he brought up GTHD which is a demo, anyone that's a GT player knows that GT was/is all about the Car Models, Physics & Environment. It was never a series like a Burnout where shit is flying everywhere, it's a simulation based game. Now for him to degrade Polyphony's efforts that just crazy.

[VG Aficionado]

It only sounds to me like Microsoft wants to avert attention from Sony, but instead of doing it with their own merits, they just want to downplay Sony's merits and make it seem like if they can't offer the same it's because it's worthless. I didn't expect anything else from them, I've got yet to see any kind words from them towards PS3, just like Phil Harrison praised Live and Nintendo DS, to name an example. Their strategy is not about making the best product: it's about convincing their customers that the competitor's products suck.

[Old_Timer!]

Well put VG

[Applefiend]

Yup, Microsoft work by negative campaigning, smear tactics, FUD, and general nastiness. I continue to feel dirty everytime I turn on on 360...

Although that may be that Rumble Roses game that's making me feel dirty...

[frosty]

The funniest part about it is, they spend all this breath bashing 1080p and Blu-Ray's cost, all the while preparing a 1080p adaptor (assumingly DVI) for the Xbox 360 and a $200 HD-DVD drive. Talk about 2 faced liars.

[OmniCloud]

The name of the game is business people/every company is guilty of it...Some just come off as worse than others.

[Nameless]

Yup, Microsoft work by negative campaigning, smear tactics, FUD, and general nastiness. I continue to feel dirty everytime I turn on on 360...

Although that may be that Rumble Roses game that's making me feel dirty...
*Off topic*
Apple the new Avatar and signature is great man!

[Sephiroth_VII]

MS are the best/worst at it though...

EDIT: Yeah, kill that movie!! It doesn't deserve to live...

[Smokey]

The funniest part about it is, they spend all this breath bashing 1080p and Blu-Ray's cost, all the while preparing a 1080p adaptor (assumingly DVI) for the Xbox 360 and a $200 HD-DVD drive. Talk about 2 faced liars.
and they still dont have everything the ps3 has lol :)

[frosty]

yeah, they're a few mhz, a few pixel shaders, a little bandwidth, hdmi, motion sensing, and 40 gb hdd space shy on their $600 pack.

[Old_Timer!]

what Microsoft provides is choices mannnn LoL, you can choose to get the PS3 with all the bells and whistles. Or you can go with microsofts method and get a whole lot of add-ons, which in the end will still not have all the PS3 capabilities

[yoshaw]

yeah, they're a few mhz, a few pixel shaders, a little bandwidth and 40 gb hdd space shy on their $600 pack.

Not to forget they also lack > WiFi, Bluetooth, HDMI and multi flash card slots, hehe

;)

[VG Aficionado]

And a motion sensing controller. And a wireless controller recharger. And standard built-in HDD & BD drive exclusive advantages. And some USB ports. And full backwards compatibility.

[frosty]

guys, we could go on and on here. [/fanboy rhetoric, however true it may be]

[Smokey]

on and on and on and on and on lol :)

[cliffbo]

Now watch Team Ico's next game come out in 1080p and put all of the haters to sleep.

at 120fps ;)

[pari]

Their strategy is not about making the best product: it's about convincing their customers that the competitor's products suck.

Right on the target.

[Beenie Man]

This thread is pretty irrelevant because

#1: Its a Microsoft rep. WTF do you expect him to say. He is supposed to shoot down any of the competition's pluses over there own product.

#2 It is called anti marketing. Notice all the payed Xbox supporters and continuos PS3 bashing. They do this to all there competition. To spread as much misinformation as possible and make the competition seem weak and bad.

[Old_Timer!]

It's just a sorry thing to see the media hyping up guys like this, as if he's some independent developer offering his opinion on the Next Gen race. All it is/was a blog, and the Media wants this was so badly that they throw it out there as news.

LoL, where is that quote from Kutaragi. "In 1999 an executive asked Ken who do you see as our next major competition, Ken said Microsoft I will kill them". Now that is foresight, I wonder if Ken has a blog we need some new quotes.

[yoshaw]

Checkout the latest Radiopm audio podcast where they pwn the Microsoft PR guy and debate the 1080 issue!

Excerpt from the audio
" I kinda agree with him but I do think he's being a moron. "

LOL, now that you've read the teaser above, check the rest of the audio below. LOL

Right click save as!
http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/Podcasts/OPM/081706.mp3

[VG Aficionado]

Does anyone remember Ballmer saying: "Sony has no online strategy"? Well... LMAO.

Microsoft reps are just the very worst source of PlayStation news, not even matched by The Inquirer.

[Old_Timer!]

LoL VG it's like they think Sony couldn't do anything better than what they have when it came to online, etc

[Coded-Dude]

they think Sony couldn't do anything better than what they have
they also tend to think everything Sony does is a pure ripoff, like everything "they" do is so innovative.

[Kevin]

I don't think 1080p is really a big deal, but I love how Microsoft is suddenly downplaying technology as soon as they aren't the most powerful.

[frosty]

^and how they are downplaying their own planned 1080p adaptor for 360.

[woundingchaney]

^and how they are downplaying their own planned 1080p adaptor for 360.
Im not aware of any 1080p adapter for the 360.

[venomv]

I think it is only rumor right now, but they are supposable releasing an adaptor that will display 1080p, probably only for the HD-DVD add-on though.

[Coded-Dude]

Im not aware of any 1080p adapter for the 360.


RUMOR (http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjA2ODgsLCxobmV3cywsLDE=)

We here at HardOCP got a chance to take a gander at the tentative Xbox360 roadmap last week. Here are some of the goodies that are in store.

2. For you folks that are buying the new 1080P panels that are now on the market, have no fear, as the Xbox360 looks to already support 1080P resolutions. All that will need to be changed is the connecting cable. Little more information is known on this or if there will be a gaming performance impact.

Yet another accessory they can add to the list to gloat about........

[woundingchaney]

RUMOR (http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjA2ODgsLCxobmV3cywsLDE=)
Thanks Dude.

[Domination]

Checkout the latest Radiopm audio podcast where they pwn the Microsoft PR guy and debate the 1080 issue!

Excerpt from the audio
" I kinda agree with him but I do think he's being a moron. "

LOL, now that you've read the teaser above, check the rest of the audio below. LOL

Right click save as!
http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/Podcasts/OPM/081706.mp3

Very true.

Does anyone remember Ballmer saying: "Sony has no online strategy"? Well... LMAO.

Microsoft reps are just the very worst source of PlayStation news, not even matched by The Inquirer.

I mentioned this awhile back when I first read that interview, and I'll say it again: everytime Microsoft says something against Sony, the results usually turn up differently. They said the same about the PSP: because it's a handheld, it will never find a place outside of the handheld market other than Nintendo's dated strategy with the Super GameBoy or GBAs connectivity to the GameCube for enhanced picture.

By Sony being a major electronics company, I see that as a huge advantage to them. I would see it to be no different in Microsoft's case as a software company. And like I mentioned back then when that comment was made, just because they or Nintendo couldn't figure out a better solution does not mean Sony can't.

So when I do hear comments like those, I pay them no attention. Out of experience, I've come to realize over the years that Sony usually adapts to the competition one way or another.

[Viano]

Does anyone remember Ballmer saying: "Sony has no online strategy"? Well... LMAO.

Microsoft reps are just the very worst source of PlayStation news, not even matched by The Inquirer.

M$ loved by,

http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/Vianforte/?action=view&current=dancemonkeyboy.flv

a monkey.

[Applefiend]

Playing some LOTR Battle for Middlefield 2 on 360 yesterday, the demo, it's growing on me like poison ivy. My one thought is damn, do you know how much RTS games would own in 1080p? And if you do a 2Dish one like Tiberian sun, very very doable on 1080p.

Any game like that, Pikmin even. Yeh for 1080p.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

It's that childish tactic of, 'we can't do it, but we don't need your stinkin name awesome thing they lack anyway! Meh! >=P

[frosty]

Blu-Ray? We don't need 50 GB of storage! DVD-9 is the better way!
Oh, wait. Here's an HD-DVD adapter.
Motion sensing? Total crap! The other 2 aren't going to get anywhere with it.
1080p? Twice the resolution of 720p? Nah! Crap! Your eyes won't be able to see the 1 million pixel difference! (Here's a 1080p DVI cable for you to add on to your 360)
Free online? Not as good as ours!!!
HDD in all systems? Nah. Crap!
Battery Charger for the controller? Who needs one?
We need to give our users crippled systems and make them "choose" to go broke trying to add on to their system so it will be able to compete with the rest.

[jaxmkii]

This is quite ammusing:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=24902136&sid=6155872


So.... You pay $400 for a 20 gb 360, $200 for a HD-DVD add on... and then have to have no HDMI (thus no HD movie output for HDCP titles) and you get 40 GB less HDD space for the same price as a PS3. The only other cable that supports 1080p is DVI, which wouldn't be hdcp compliant.


And MS is saying 1080p is no good out one face while saying this out the other, too funny. um frosty... DVI-D is hdcp compliant.

[jaxmkii]

Blu-Ray? We don't need 50 GB of storage! DVD-9 is the better way!
Oh, wait. Here's an HD-DVD adapter.
Motion sensing? Total crap! The other 2 aren't going to get anywhere with it.
1080p? Twice the resolution of 720p? Nah! Crap! Your eyes won't be able to see the 1 million pixel difference! (Here's a 1080p DVI cable for you to add on to your 360)
Free online? Not as good as ours!!!
HDD in all systems? Nah. Crap!
Battery Charger for the controller? Who needs one?
We need to give our users crippled systems and make them "choose" to go broke trying to add on to their system so it will be able to compete with the rest.
LOL hep hep Blu-raaaay!!! hep hep Blu-raaaay!!! hep hep Blu-raaaay!!!

[Smokey]

M$ loved by,

http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/Vianforte/?action=view&current=dancemonkeyboy.flv

a monkey.
man oh man do i hate that video :)

[kaphwan]

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to frosty again.

[frosty]

I stand corrected on the HDCP issue, I forgot about that. Though it still won't support "deep color".

[Zer0-Sum]

Sounds like a massive case of 'Sour Grapes" if I have ever seen one. Their system can't do it natively so they dismiss it as being irrelevant. This is a classic move by any company. Dismiss the competition as being less than they really are. Everyone does it. What did anyone expect from and X-Drone? That he would freak out about 1080p as being the greatest thing to hit gaming?(which remains to be seen in actual use in gameplay....) What ever. Nothin to see here, move along folks. Just some corporate drone spreading FUD.....

[frosty]

(which remains to be seen in actual use in gameplay....)

I have a 1680x1050 monitor, just a few hundred thousand pixels shy of 1080p. I can tell you that gaming at that resolution is WAY better than 1280x720.

[yoshaw]

I have a 1680x1050 monitor, just a few hundred thousand pixels shy of 1080p. I can tell you that gaming at that resolution is WAY better than 1280x720.

Yea, and most people claim the higher resolution games such as those upto 1600x whatever, gives automatic antialiasing features when played on lower res'd 720p TVs/Monitors. Correct?

[frosty]

I'm sure it does, since that is all AA is for the most part.

[woundingchaney]

I have a 1680x1050 monitor, just a few hundred thousand pixels shy of 1080p. I can tell you that gaming at that resolution is WAY better than 1280x720.
Hey I got the viewsonic vx2025wm what monitor do you have????

[frosty]

Dell 2500 FPS or something like that. 16:10 widescreen, it's a fucking amazing monitor. everyone that comes over always comments on it when they see it. I like it most because it has composite and s-video as well as DVI and VGA, so it can double as a SDTV/HDTV. All for $480

[woundingchaney]

Dell 2500 FPS or something like that. 16:10 widescreen, it's a fucking amazing monitor. everyone that comes over always comments on it when they see it. I like it most because it has composite and s-video as well as DVI and VGA, so it can double as a SDTV/HDTV. All for $480
Thats pretty sweet, Im looking to replace one of my monitors (as its 4:3) did you get this directly from Dell or another retailer?????

I was gonna go with another Viewsonic but I was wanting something with component.

[Smokey]

frosty or someone can you tell me whats the go with 16:10? why cant they stick to 16:9, and is there a reason for the ODD size

[frosty]

http://www.shopping.com/xGS-Dell_2005_Fpw~NS-1~linkin_id-8001673~r-1~CLT-INTR

there you go, $384

[LaLiLuLeLo]

So you can use a current pc monitor as an hd display?

[Smokey]

Product Description
The Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1-inch Flat Panel LCD Monitor is a wide aspect desktop display that redefines the performance of LCD displays with a stylish new Dell industrial design, and advanced functionality. Watch DVDs in natural format and run multiple applications simultaneously. Improve productivity with less scrolling and toggling. The 2005FPW wide aspect Flat Panel LCD also provides an excellent option for video editing and 3D imaging as both source and destination video can be viewed in a single window!
Product SpecificationsMonitor Type Flat Panel LCD TFT (Active Matrix)

Size 20.1"

Contrast Ratio 600:1

Aspect Ratio 16:9

Max. Resolution 1680 x 1050

is the 16:10 actually so you can have the boxes down the bottom without going away from 16:9? sorry i dont get it just dumb i think

[woundingchaney]

So you can use a current pc monitor as an hd display?
Well PC monitors have almost always been a form of HD display, are you talking about using one for the PS3???

If so yes you could.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

ahhh, that's cool.
where can I find a adapter that'll connect my ps3 to my monitor?
When the prices of hdtvs drops dramatically (like, by half) I'll invest in one, like a 20-something inch hd tv (no desire for a 60 inch televsion). I can't justify it now and just can't afford it.

[woundingchaney]

ahhh, that's cool.
where can I find a adapter that'll connect my ps3 to my monitor?
do you dvi ???? if so you can find hdmi to dvi very easily

Otherwise Im sure Sony will be selling a vga connection as an accesory.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah it's a DVI connector. I assume you can find hdmi-dvi connectors in electronics stores or sections of best buy, target and walmart?

[Smokey]

a 42 inch is just about a perfect size i reckon LaLiLuLeLo2003

[frosty]

do bear in mind this is not a HDCP compliant monitor.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

42 inches? Hmm maybe when I move out and get my own apartment. I don't have the horizontal space for a 42 inch. and this will all be a year at least down the line when hdtvs cost hundreds, not thousands of dollars. PS3 is my investment of the year.
Last year it was PSP.
The year before that it was my wacom tablet and digital camera.
HDTV maybe as soon as next summer/fall???

[Smokey]

you can use ya PC monitor till then or TV

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah I'll just enjoy my good ol SDTV and my PC Monitor (for hd quality) until I amass the necessary funds.

[frosty]

as long as it's a widescreen pc monitor capable of hitting at least 1280x720 natively, it will do just fine.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Awesome.

[Goki]

ah My monitor is not Widescreen, will this creat problems if i get DVI to HDMI cable?

[CreativeWriter]

Here's a question. With an HDMI to DVI adaptor will I need to run a separate cable for the audio? I understand HDMI sends audio and video over the same line but DVI is vid only. So will the PS3 allow me to send HDMI out and regular old component out (for the audio) or what?

[Smokey]

yeah you will im pretty sure CreativeWriter , my plasma has one sound channel for 15pin RGB & DVI

[LaLiLuLeLo]

So wait, if you hook up the hdmi-->dvi connector, what do you do about sound output?

[Smokey]

youlll have to use a Reciever/Amp i spose A/V or Optical. im just hopin i can run from the A/V out and use the sound to plug into the channel i have on the plasma

[frosty]

If your monitor is not widescreen, it will either crop the image thus losing a lot of it's resolution, or it will squish the image so it fits on the screen, leaving the image disproportionate. And DVI cannot carry audio, so you will have to use either the optical spdif or the a/v multi out 2 channel RCA cables to connect the PS3 to an external audio amp.

And it won't be just one channel on your plasma, otherwise you'd just get mono sound. It needs to be 2 channels at the minimum.

[Smokey]

no sorry i mean 1 INPUT for DVI & 15pinRGB its actually like a head phone jack but smaller

[frosty]

Doesn't sound right. There should be 2 RCA connectors somewhere you can use, as you will get better quality and you won't have to buy an adapter.

[Smokey]

i have my HD set top box through RGB and the sound going through the jack & it sounds just as good as the RCA connectors for Component etc.

[frosty]

well, as long as it works for you.

[Smokey]

heres a pic (sorry to keep it going)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/BFG-SMOKEY7/Audio.jpg