What Do You Think Of Sony Now

[Beenie Man]

After the insane amount of bad news since E3, I feel bad as a early PS3 adopter and I am losing my trust in the Sony Brand. I can see why some people hate Sony and everything they do. Their high prices, unforgivable treatment of certain markets, and there horrible timing of announcements and arrogancy(please don't flame me for saying that).

I just made this thread so people can have a organized thread to say whatever they like about Sony and PS3 instead of messy multiple threads bashing Sony.

Currently, I do not even know how I feel(literally). I just feel lost. Sony just really made me into a mood that I cannot explain. I am excited for the PS3, but I don't want to be hyped for it anymore. Hard to explain through typing on the internet. I really hate Sony right now(might change later on).

So in this thread, post how you feel about Sony and the PS3 so that we can keep this forum clean. Kind of like a organized Anger/Venting Thread.:honor:

[Coded-Dude]

I still hold htem much higher than I do M$(those bastards!)

[masteratt]

I feel same as always- Loving and trusting towards Sony as they will once again, bring the best entertainment so it's going to be four months late and yes they lied ONCE again but it doesn't effect me as they still have the games that I want and the features that I want and there is no way in hell I was going to buy a PS3 before a price drop anyway.

Everything is as smooth as always to me. Still looking forward to TGS.

[Beenie Man]

I like Sony, but not their lies.

[BruceWayneIII]

My view of Sony hasn't changed.

An insane demand for Blu-ray lasers (not just for PS3) is causing a delay. Instead of doing a half-assed global launch, they reduce the number of regions. Wise move.

And I don't feel 'betrayed'. No company would constantly feed the market with information like: "well, this week is troublesome and maybe we have to change the launch but we don't know yet".

In terms of PR you stick with your target - and change it if you have to. If you haven't made up your mind about what to do, you keep quiet until you know. There are no lies.

[VG Aficionado]

I just think that they should have planned to release PS3 in 2007 since the beginning. A launch in 2006 is just filled with troubles with no all-good solution as we've all seen so far. A 2007 release plan since PS3 was first announced would have given them more time to properly create the ultimate console and have provided them with a wider margin to solve more problems. It could have seemed a bit late at first, but taking into account PS2's healty situation, they could have afforded an impressive 2007 launch right in time to let PS2 retire. MS should have launched 360 in 2006, but...

[makeitlookreal]

Sony is a company that generally make very good products and likes to innovate and utilize new technologies. However, they are a company and out to look after ther bottom line before considering their consumer. There is nothing wrong with this because it's the duty of every company to look out for itself just like it is the duty of every consumer to look after his or her best interests.

I am not angry or furious at Sony. However, I am a little disapointed that they seem to be less than honest with us at times. For example, with each of the last delays it should be obvious Sony must have known long before they told us. They don't have to tell us anything at all. The truth is it's their company and if they don't want to announce such things they don't have to. But as a consumer I just wish they were more open and honest when it comes to their Playstation products, their development, production, and their release.

Of course I'm not well versed in every single aspect of Sony as a whole. But overall from my experience with Playstation products, games, and a few other products I would give them a solid "B", however Microsoft would get a "C" at best.

[Beenie Man]

There initial plan was to launch in 07, but MS decided to launch in 2005 so it stopped their original overly ambitious dreams.

[Fats]

Well, yeah, I think I'm feeling what most of us are feeling at the moment. A little distrust towards Sony for twisting the truth again, but overall, I'm feeling a little better over the whole ordeal. I just hope that Sony can pull themselves out of this gutter and really shine like the Golden Playstation days. :)

[Pluto]

I agree with a lot of what you say, Beenie Man.

They place a little too much faith in the people that are fans. They think that they'll blindly follow Sony no matter what the situation. Which in some cases might be true. They're taking a 'big shot' approach, which might work against them as their popularity wanes further.

If they've got something to reverse the damage, then good for them, and good for the people that want to play the Playstation 3.

[masteratt]

I just hope that Sony can pull themselves out of this gutter and really shine like the Golden Playstation days. :)
It still is the Golden Playstation days!
The only difference is a delay and the negative press. Nothing else has changed.

DMC4, MGS4, GT5, Resistance, Lair, Motorstorm, RE5 and so many more titles that will make sure Playstation stays as 'Golden' as always.

Hell, give PS3 a year or two and we might have Platinum Playstation days. ;)

[EvilTaru]

Tired of the secrecy, NDAs, over-promises. On the other hand I hate xbots more than anything else in the world, so I guess I'm still with the Sony camp. Just have some sort of transparency and stop screwing with your own userbase, Sony. That is all I ask.

[BruceWayneIII]

It still is the Golden Playstation days!
The only difference is a delay and the negative press. Nothing else has changed.

DMC4, MGS4, GT5, Resistance, Lair, Motorstorm, RE5 and so many more titles that will make sure Playstation stays as 'Golden' as always.

Hell, give PS3 a year or two and we might have Platinum Playstation days. ;)

Thank you - glad to meet another reasonable guy :beer:

[cliffbo]

my opinion of sony has not changed one bit they are still a great company they still make great products even if they get delayed a bit i prefer the games on sony systems rather than the oppositions with a few exceptions of course.

i just feel that the main reason everyone gets so disappointed when news like this comes around is that we get too hyped over all ps3 related stuff and when bad news is announced it comes as ,ore of a shock and there has been a fair few shocks recently still i atill have faith that sony will come through with the goods in the end so cheer up lads.

:)

[Beenie Man]

That is all I ask too. I will still buy a PS3 when I cool down(remember Nintendo naming their system the Wii which everybody complained about until now) since I really do not like most of the 360's games, and the Wii is sexy looking and attractive as well so I might get that too. I just stick by Sony and their Playstation because I don't think the video game market would be the same without it. But Sony will never gain my full trust as I know they lie 95% of the time.

Basically, its a love/hate relationship(like marriage or so people say). If Nintendo became #1, I would be traumatized of the multiple Marios and Zeldas with no new original characters and no forward in technology. I do not want MS to be #1 as I know what will happen(Windows).

This why I am lost. I still will by a PS3 next year(Q1), but with low expectations expecting high suprises.

[The Dude]

Honestly I was never a sony fan. I always picked up a playstation as a 2nd system (to nintendo of course) So it doesnt really bother me, as I usually dont pick up a playstation until their 2nd or 3rd year out. Usually once the price drops and the good games actually start to come out (lets face it, the Playstation brand has NEVER had extrodanary launch titles)

But thats just me

[Fats]

I'm disappointed myself, but I don't feel so bad now and I know overtime I'll not even care. On the grander scale of things though, it's something to worry about. Perhaps Sony have given more reason to buy a 360, Developers may be pissed with the overall perspective on Sony, etc.

*sigh*

Fingers crossed people.

[Beenie Man]

Please Sony, stop fucking us over, thats all we want.

[Pluto]

I think we need to start a support group for all the depression Sony has brought to us. :grouphug:

[Infernal]

Well honestly I don't care about Sony. I care about Square-Enix, Polyphony, Kojima, and all the other great devs. I follow them, not Sony and if they ever decide to move to another system I will be right there behind them. Playstation is the only Sony product I own and things will probably stay that way.

I for one am not that dissapointed by the recent news, if I was in Europe then I am sure I would be very mad but everyone had to expect shortages before this news even came out. I have no more reason to buy a 360 now than a year ago because the games are still on the PS3 and honestly no matter how many times Sony lies everyone that wants to play Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid, etc. will buy a PS3 in the end.

[Fats]

In all honesty, and perhaps it's because I'm on the forums a lot and follow Sony quite closely, but this announcement genuinely got to me. I just felt like complete shit walking to work for some reason.

Sad really.

[Beenie Man]

Shit gets to everybody. Lifes a bitch, and I don't like bitches.

[Rizon]

I'm not angry. Just disappointed.

[Red_Eyes]

Delay in Europe = More and better games. What's so bad about that?

[Beenie Man]

The other thing that I do not like about Sony is their used to be ability to control momemtum and nice suprises.

In the old PS1 days, they were complete geniuses on how they built up momemtum and how they hyped and marketed their product. The PS1 in my opinion was Sony's hardest effort. It is as if as soon as Sony gets a foot on the market, they become overly cocky and think their fans will do anything. Well if you keep fucking with them then...

It seems as if Sony does not know how to control their momemtum as of late.

At E3 2005, they show all these nice trailers and nice features putting hype through the stratosphere. Then they soon have a complete drought of news in which people turn crazy and the hype starts to melt. The impress us with MGS4. Then another news drought began. Then they completely burned it down with the announcements in early March when they delayed the PS3(how many) which had a short term effect on people and they made it up to everybody at GDC which was pretty cool with the 60GB HDD and stuff. Then they completely destroy the hype with the huge $500-600 price tag(good thing they did it early), unfinished games that made the price seem worse, arrogancy(which angered some people with the sell 5 million with no games shit), and no care in the world as if they still thought they owned E3.

Then after a while, the price started to wear off, and people seemed to starting to get hyped again around August with the TGS list and nice little rumors and hype starting to build and disputing the ''Blu-Ray is not needed thing'' with Resistance being 22GB and etc. It was finally starting to get good. I was all fine and dandy, then they fuck up the momemtum again with this announcement.

It is as if Sony does not know how to control momemtum anymore(literally). I hope they really break a arm trying to make the PS3 the best console ever as they seemed to get lazy with the PSP(which I think had so much fucking potential, but it is a very high quality nice product).

But anyway, you cannot simply just lose momemtum so easily. It will make you lose fans.

I think that all this shit will be worn off in a few weeks or months(I'll give it till Christmas or March) as things always were off. But, if Sony makes a bad announcement at TGS, then there screwed since TGS is public as they will let everybody down that might make 360 sales go up.

But you know what, the general public is what will make the PS3 sell anyway since the Playstation Brand is very power(very)(look what happened with the PS2 and DC shit, how the fuck did the DC lose).

But I still don't like how Sony treats us sometimes.

[MaceSin]

I've never been a big fan of Sony, especially on their Playstation side of business... I just like their consoles alot and that's all I care about.

[Fredag]

I feel sorry for Ken and the others. They wanted to give us all PS3, and now some parts are missing. They must feel bad, but I sure don't blame them for it.

PS3 will deliver soon enough. I'm waiting for a Testarossa, not a Volvo. I sure can hold. I'll just play on my PS2, and look out for a good deal on a 1080p HDTV...

Sony still have TGS. It will rock your world!

That's all I want to say, don't worry, be happy. And keep up the good work, Ken and everybody at Sony!
I know how you and all the devs are eager to show us the fun that is Playstation!
And I'll be ready for it!

:)

[Pistolero]

"There initial plan was to launch in 07, but MS decided to launch in 2005 so it stopped their original overly ambitious dreams."

How do you know ? I truly doubt they would give away another Christmas in Europe without good reasons. And they provided the reason in the conference.
Anyway, I truly like Sony innovative approach and technology driven philosophy. I have always appreciated the brand though I definitely reject some of the decsions they took recently. I do anticipate PS3 and, most importantly, my favorite IPs. If only they could have lowered the price a bit ! :-(

[The Dude]

HAHAHAH! someone actually gave me a -neg rep for my post.

[Fats]

Someone's obviously hurting very much the dude.

:shifty:

[Coded-Dude]

:susp:

[Skull Kid]

Well, I +repped the dude, which grossly cancels out that n00b's neg rep. :)

[Fats]

I shall also +Rep the dude, as it was a little uncalled for imo.

[Coded-Dude]

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[saxdawg00]

People on this board act as if they did the delay on purpose, not realizing that true bleeding edge next-gen tech takes up ALOT of resources. I mean, I honestly think people would still shit on Sony if they launched on time with a 12x DVD drive, and a stripped down spec sheet equaling the 360 (thus lowering the price) and since Sony is in a position of "damned if they do, damned if they don't", they are taking the safe route and delaying the European launch.

I hope people understand that Sony wants nothing more than to put as many functioning PS3 in peoples living room as quickly as possible.

Playstation has not disappointed me yet, you just can't rush quality.

all of the hateration makes me want to slap a hizajujigatame on someone.

[Ironlungz]

I am not disappointed because I am in the US. However, I do feel for those in EU. In addition, I can't understand the obession with F%$nBoism with these companies. Specially those spouting out They lied to us and I dont trust them... so and so company. Face it these corporation are out to do business nothing personal and if you take it to emotion the acts of companies.. you're in for a let down.

[Nameless]

If Sony can recover and produce 6 million units by 2nd qtr 2007 all is good...
Still sucks many will be without a PS3 this holiday season, but all is not lost.

PS: Since people are giving away rep, feel free... ;)

[Beenie Man]

I think I might be fine tommorow(I'm already watching tv). Just no more bad news. Please.

[masteratt]

The only news that can make me piss boiled blood about the PS3 is if they don't release it with a Blu-Ray drive and/or HDD.

But that won't happen....Or will it...:shifty:

[LennyNero1972]

Greetings all , Lenny Nero here. I'm seeing a complete delay in all markets to 2007. It makes no sense to ship just 500,000 units. If they do delay it until next year, they may sell it much cheaper. Just a thought.:look:

[PUNK em 733]

Almost the same type of doom 'n' gloom that was forecast for the PS2 launch...look at the PS2 now. Everything will be fine.

[masonite]

it seems to me that people are expecting too much from sony - everytime theres a delay, or a change, sony is "lying". Stop applying human emotions and values to a business, people. sony's job is not to cuddle their fans and sound all cute and innocent, their job is to create the best electronics they can, and to stay ahead of the competition - so that they can make a profit. Customer loyalty can play a part, and i'm sure sony are doing everything they can to ensure that they retain as much of their fanbase as possible, and this is shown in the way that they've tried to minimise the delays to some regions, instead of delaying all regions. it's annoying, i know, im in one of the regions affected - but at the end of the day, i'm not expecting them to hold recklessly to proposed launch dates, or to keep concrete system specs if doing so will result in the failure of the system. If you're going to have so much blind faith in sony during the good times, don't accuse them of not doing enough every time they hit a rough patch.

it seems to me that the people who are apparently "cut" by sony are the ones who feel the most emotion towards them, and this simply doesn't make sense. their job is not to be your friend! it would be nice to have some nice surprises in store for their products, and im sure there will be in the months ahead, but at the end of the day, if you don't like their product, don't buy it! everything they've released so far has had fine print attatched to it. They changed the concept controller (which was branded as a concept and had disclaimers all over it that said it could change) and everyone was shocked.

Why?


Blind optimism is clouding people's vision, people are believing what they want sony to be saying, and when that's not exactly what happens, it's the company that gets attacked. want to know what the real problem is? look in the mirror.

Don't believe anything is concrete until you're holding the thing in your hands! People seem to take their admiration of console developers (not just sony) to unbelievable heights - when microsoft made their "one year exclusve" claims, everyone went wild about lies, and subterfuge - but it is possible for things to get mixed up.

Just try to put yourself in their shoes next time you hear news about anyone, and try to realise that mistakes can occur - hell, i've had to use the backspace key about 30 times in this post, does that make me a liar too?

there are definately companies that have more respectful policies than others, but moving launch dates back a couple of months, or dropping 50mhz off a GPU is no reason to start picket lines, people...

[Viano]

the time of enthusiasist's passes slower

[Smurf]

Sony makes good products and loves to be the trendsetter for technology. But they shouldn't boast numbers that can't be reached, like how they said 4 million PS3s by the end of 2006. With all the new technology in the console, its impossible to mass produce new technologies in a short time to meet a 2 million console demand around the world. Which is why they shouldve stated at E3 that they will release information regarding the launch at another time. They are pretty dumb when it comes to releasing info on their products, yet they still somehow end up being the market leader. They may be arrogant, but they were right when they said if they just sold a box that said Playstation on it..it will sell.

[Beenie Man]

I happened with the Ps2. DC atleast(somehow, the brand just did a magical spell). Don't know bout this gen.

[lips]

sony gives us two toys in one. 500/2 cheaper than any other next gen game system or blu ray player. not really feeling screwed yet.. unless it don't work out of the box and have to trade it in three times like any of my x 360 owner freinds. have to wait and see.

[venomv]

I think I would rather have then go full boar with new technology and hit some snags (that all new tech has) then just stick with what they know works and go into a rut. I am not interested in watching BD movies, but I am glad they are putting a BD in the PS3, I say give the devolopers what they need to your the best of your ability (not to say they are, but they are in this regard), they are Sony's bread and butter, not to mention what we all come for.....

[Beenie Man]

I think I will forever have a love/hate relationship with the Playstation products. Some of the decisions that Sony makes(not all) infuriates me, but it usually wears off and then I play a Playstation game. I want a PS3 bad(I use to have a life before it was announced, and I would have never even known what a forum was). It has so many things that I want(60GB, DVD, CD, SACD, DVD+R, DVD-R, backwards compatibility, 1080p, DMC4, Playstation franchises, etc.) but at a high price.

I guess you have to do what you got to do. Even after the initial hits of bad press and news(dual SKU, $600, no rumble, etc.), I will still get one in the end as it will tempt me with its games. I just want to take all this bad press and spit out you know. But anyway, I do not know how the delay of a EU launch and shortages made me feel like shit as it is not the end of the world since it is just shortages and a few extra months but somehow it did as well as affecting alot of EU gamers.

But it seems like EU always gets screwed over and I feel sorry for them, but they get the benefits of recieving neat bundles and bug fixes to make up for the delays that they get.

Anyway, I am still getting a PS3(Q1 2007 Baby) since the shortages should have not even affected me as it is only shortages. There is shortages with every console. But I will get one so I don't have to worry about a thing.

I am a member of the PS3Forum, and the sheer hate and loss in trust in Sony and the Playstation because of today is staggering over there(I am guilty of making outbursts myself). I wonder what we will say 6 months after this. Hmmmm.

[PUNK em 733]

It has so many things that I want(60GB, DVD, CD, SACD, DVD+R, DVD-R, backwards compatibility, 1080p, DMC4, Playstation franchises, etc.) but at a high price.


*HINT* It's not a high price for all those things.:birthday:

[Viper]

What do I think of Sony now? No different than yesterday.



Take that as you will, hehe.

[dork]

I f***ing love Playstation and Playstation 2 but it'll be a few years (and hopefully and few price cuts) before I pick up a PS3. :2cents:

[agentorange]

Lets stop being naive that they will be number one and still love by there fans. Look at the news and gaming website and know the true sentiments.

Also dont believe that they dont know that this is coming. The posponement of the launch last March they know it since last year and this one they really know this will happen.

Also please when kutaragi and harrison brag again about they are juts chasing ps2 or psp and ps3 will still sold out even if they dont put game sin it or engine is BS. Go to there press site and email them your anger.

Sony is naive and feels they are very much love. Show are anger

[masteratt]

I think this is the first time I see THREE red bars!
Congrats, dude- I must say, it is well deserved.

[VideoGame mania]

The only things that keeps me attached to Sony are games
If MGS4 DMC4 and Silent Hill 5 FF13 were on xbox 360 I would have bought the 360
Sony screwed hard this time,my trust to them is gone,I wouldnt be suprised if the ps3 gets downgraded even more.I live in the US and i feel bad for folks in EU.I dont like MS but if they get many PS3 games I may jump ship in 2007 when the 360 gets a $50 price drop and these games that I listed

[agentorange]

Im willing to be banned since im angry not one can touch me and im not afanboy that who keeps on believing. Patience has limits. And up to know they did not even showed games that are at par as the E3 2k5 demos. But nack to the topic. THEY DONT GIVE REPSECT TO USE THATS ALLL AND THEY SAW THIS COMING they still belive that we will follow them to the end of the world what ever they do.

come on people show some anger even if this is a ps3 forum. Dont be zombies. The rest of the world in news in magazines and even politicians and editir are starting to get pissed and lots there turst on sony.

[edoshin]

Geez man .. don't take the news so personal. Its not like Sony is on some ego trip to prove that they can sell no matter what adversity or to intentionally screw their userbase. They are in a death struggle against MS and this hurts them a lot more than it hurts us. I'm sure they are doing whatever they can to achieve their objective, and Sony execs are having a happy celebration over this. get over it.

[dnpmakkah]

My opinion is that once the PS3 launches it will be an awesome system with great games...that will continue to only get better. We all know that the system will have tremendous possibilities and it is obvious to me that some things although small (seem possible only on the PS3).

With that being said the key issue is "once" it launches. It will launch one day. No doubt about it. Then in a year after launch no one will care what happened. All we will talk about is GOW3, SoTC2, MGS5, etc.

[masteratt]

Im willing to be banned since im angry not one can touch me and im not afanboy that who keeps on believing. Patience has limits. And up to know they did not even showed games that are at par as the E3 2k5 demos. But nack to the topic. THEY DONT GIVE REPSECT TO USE THATS ALLL AND THEY SAW THIS COMING they still belive that we will follow them to the end of the world what ever they do.

come on people show some anger even if this is a ps3 forum. Dont be zombies. The rest of the world in news in magazines and even politicians and editir are starting to get pissed and lots there turst on sony.
OMFG shut up will you.

News Flash- WE DON'T BUY SONY'S RESPECT, WE BUy IT's PRODUCTS!
Respect? What in the blue fuck has that got to do with ANYTHING?
"Oh [some company] is selling shit in a box! I will buy this out of respect" Is that how you are thinking?

Fuck sake, look at what you are BUYING, nothing else.
Forget feelings etc! What you want a Sony employee to give you a hug when you purchase your PS3? Jesus fucking christ.

I wasn't angry but tiredness + you and your amazing idiocy = Me mad.

[agentorange]

Kutaragi and Hirai should commit harakire! If they are really men and have pride.

1.CGI demos still not match
2.launch move to nov from march
3.vibration remove
4.600 dollars
5.No hdmi cable
6.Now small amount of console to be sold this nov and europe will suffer

Now is there no reason to commit harakire? Oh my IIM SO ANGRY AGAIN I WILL BE GONE AGAIN. Damn sony I wasted my savings to nothing.

[Vegtro]

Sony didn't lie, screw ups happen during production. Sony is trying its best to get it out and keep investors happy. The more consoles sold = more PS software sold = more Revenue for Sony. Sony was just unlucky that enough bluray diodes isn't able to meet their projections.

[VideoGame mania]

Kutaragi and Hirai should commit harakire! If they are really men and have pride.

1.CGI demos still not match
2.launch move to nov from march
3.vibration remove
4.600 dollars
5.No hdmi cable
6.Now small amount of console to be sold this nov and europe will suffer

Now is there no reason to commit harakire? Oh my IIM SO ANGRY AGAIN I WILL BE GONE AGAIN. Damn sony I wasted my savings to nothing.
These two losers should get fired,Sony want to kill two birds with one stone
two birds are games and blu ray,they should focus on games only,fu#k blu ray,I want games.Sony dont japordize PS brand.

[masteratt]

"lol guys u know what would be fun?"
"what?"
"risking our fanbase and negative press and lie about launch date! lol"
"omfg u r right lets do it!"

^Is that what you think happened?

[Nameless]

Im willing to be banned since im angry not one can touch me and im not afanboy that who keeps on believing. Patience has limits. And up to know they did not even showed games that are at par as the E3 2k5 demos. But nack to the topic. THEY DONT GIVE REPSECT TO USE THATS ALLL AND THEY SAW THIS COMING they still belive that we will follow them to the end of the world what ever they do.

come on people show some anger even if this is a ps3 forum. Dont be zombies. The rest of the world in news in magazines and even politicians and editir are starting to get pissed and lots there turst on sony.
All I can do is laugh at a post like this... :huh:
It's just a console for entertainment purposes, this is not a life or death struggle.

even politicians and editir are starting to get pissed
If politicians are worried about the PS3 we got serious problems, because soldiers are dying in the middle East daily, get a grip man. :crazy2:

The rest of the world in news in magazines This shit would not even make it on Entertainment tonight... What world are you living in... Perhaps you have some other issues bothering you besides the PS3, because you sound like a complete ass right about now! :rant:

[frosty]

^wishful thinking, but no. they really are feeling the blu-ray pinch, and just like with the hardware shortages that reduced PS2's 1 million launch to 500k, they had to scale things way back to accomidate. This time though, instead of only launching in one territory, they tried worldwide, and instead of having to scale back 500,000 units, they are having to drop three times that. The launch was more ambitious, and so it is seen as a bigger screw up, but when you put it all in perspective it is the exact same thing that happened before. US gets 400k (100k less than ps2 launch, and 40k more than 360) and EU has to wait to get theirs.

[Applefiend]

What do I think of Sony, well...

I just bought a Sony Bravia V Series TV, and it's straight up terriffic. It gets better pictures out of s-video than most TVs get out of RGB scart, and lots of PS2 games that looked like crap look great again. Sony get a 10 out of 10 for that from me.

The HD format Sony is leading, Blu Ray, is making me pretty happy, but not really for anything Sony is doing. It's for what Warner are doing for the most part. Sony are screwing their own format by refusing to use AVC/H264, which is pretty bizarre. 3 out of 10 for Sony for that. Still no Sony BD Player, we're at the mercy of Samsung who are no Sony.

Sony Ericsson mobile phone, the best, 10 out of 10.

Other Sony screwups. Sony laptop batteries turning into acid spitting blow torches. Not good. :)

Sony Playstation. Well, PS2 to me is the best video game console ever made ever. Time to get rid of that Super Nintendo forever teeshirt, this console is better, this console has more classic and AAAs titles than SNES ever had. Lot of trash too came out on PS2, but hey, just avoid that.

If you had told me I'd still be playing the console I bought in 2000 in 2007 as my main console I'd tell you to get lost, it doesn't work like that. Video game consoles are good for 3 years tops.

As for the sequel, PS3... Well it seems through 50 per cent screw ups/bad management and 50% FUD campaigns by the opposition and trash sites looking for easy banner clicks Sony have had a very bad time with PS3. Sony got themselves in a catch 22 with Blu Ray.

"Put Blu Ray in the PS3, and you will win the HD format war"
"Put Blu Ray in the PS3, and your console will be $499"

And this is the screwup. BD isn't really ready for games consoles like DVD was ready for PS2. Best time to bring out PS3 would have been christmas 2007, but then you get 360 in the market for 2 whole christmases.

So this is the mistake. They should have brought out a machine that really killed 360 graphically in 2007, with a cheap BD drive, for $399. But their hand is forced.

PS3 is quite a train wreck but what will save PS3? One thing. The games.

The games coming out for PS3 are astonishingly good, in my opinion much better than the competition. And it won't be $499 forever you know.

So PS3 and Blu Ray are kinda the same. Both having very lousy launches but getting much much better once they're out. It was the same with PS2.

[Cyrus]

It still is the Golden Playstation days!
The only difference is a delay and the negative press. Nothing else has changed.

DMC4, MGS4, GT5, Resistance, Lair, Motorstorm, RE5 and so many more titles that will make sure Playstation stays as 'Golden' as always.

Hell, give PS3 a year or two and we might have Platinum Playstation days. ;)

EXACTLY.

People are just so stupidly impulsive and impatient and ready to make scandals about everything.

To me, PS3 is all about the games. What does a 4 month delay change? I mean, those awesome games are still coming to PS3 and I would've had to wait for them no matter what. All Naughty Dog gems, Gran Turismo, Kojima, Square Enix, Capcom, Insomniac etc. etc. etc. There are so many great games coming that I'm not about to scream "FUCK SONY, I WONT BUY A PS3, FUCK THEM, IM GONNA BUY A CD-PLAYER, OR A FOCKIN MICROWAVE OWEN INSTEAD OF PS3, WHAT WOULD I DO WITH THOSE GAMES, THEY DIDNT KEEP THEIR PROMISE, FUCK THEM I HATE THEM". I just wait 4 months more and get some awesome launch games and play those, enjoy those games. Then I wait for MGS4. For Naughty Dog project, for DMC4, for FFXIII etc. etc and enjoy everyone of them whenever they are released.

I've been waiting for FFXII for years. Square Enix always releases their games late here in Europe. Does that change anything? To me no. If I want to play some game, I just wait and then pay, then enjoy the game. The same thing goes for PS3. I dont care about the price or the waiting or the fact that I might hate some corporation behing the product. If the product itself is something I want, then I want it. I want to get to play all those great games. If I have to wait a bit more and pay a bit more, so what. I wait and then pay. If I want it, I will get it. If I dont want it, I go hate and use my money elsewhere. :p

I want a PS3 because of the games. 4 month delay, it hurts but I still want those great games. :p Sony lied about something, well it hurts, but I still want those games. Fock everything else. I just have to get to play those games, someones lies or delays or "corporate strategies" dont change that.

Sorry if I didnt make any sense. Just had to write something :D

[senas8]

I think we need to start a support group for all the depression Sony has brought to us. :grouphug:
Im there dude.... I kid.....What depression??? Drink something and get over it.

[yoshaw]

what will save PS3? One thing. The games.

Yup, games are going to be the saviour!

And the big guns(for major fireworks) display are coming out soon after Halloween!
That's November IIRC ;)

GI: We saw a Killzone PS3 trailer at E3 2005 and nothing since. As part of the Killzone PSP team, can you comment as to whether the PS3 project is still coming together?

Shubel: Obviously, with Killzone: Liberation coming out this year we’re definitely focused on the PSP title because, honestly, if you were to put a PSP game next to a PS3 game, which one are you going to look at? We’re definitely focused on Killzone: Liberation, which is coming out this Halloween. But shortly afterwards there might be some more information on the future Killzone project on PlayStation 3.


While Killzone is to salivate American flavors. I've recently witnessed Capcom preparing Monster Hunter 3 for Playstation3 (http://xs306.xs.to/xs306/06364/shitstormovermyfriends.jpg). And afaik, one of the 35 videos shown at TGS could be for it as well. Mark my words, if MH3 is shown for PS3 at TGS, it'll draw gamers in spades to PS3. Too bad they only have 100K at launch but you get the idea.

[VG Aficionado]

Nice find yoshaw :)

Now is there no reason to commit harakire? Oh my IIM SO ANGRY AGAIN I WILL BE GONE AGAIN. Damn sony I wasted my savings to nothing.Goodbye sir, and be sure that we won't miss you (3 red squares!!!). But before you go, I'd like to ask you a question: how much have you exactly spent on PS3 to date to consider you've wasted any savings? :duh:

[masteratt]

These guys (http://www.thisiswaiting.com/) ever play their Xbox 360 or what? lol It seems they spend more time bashing a console they hate rather than playing the one they like....hmm, sounds Retarded? ;)
(its related to the topic btw because that's what some people think of it)

[VG Aficionado]

To be honest, such a huge amount of hate towards PS3 is insane and irrational. Too much people have too much free time. I can understand being disappointed towards an anticipated consumer product, but hating it? Are they ex-Sony employees? Has the PS brand ruined their lives somehow? Aggresive MS tactical move? A conspiracy?

In any case, that people's lives must suck, and in serious ways. Same goes to every other sensationalistic site.

[MasaC]

Europeans are used to be getting shafted by Sony. That's nothing new, we always have to wait last and pay the most. That happened with the PS1, PS2, PSP and now PS3. Still Europe is the second largest Playstation market not far behind North America. It's because Europeans love Playstation games way more than those of the competitors. It's worth waiting for!

Considering the situation with blue laser diodes for the BluRay player and the low supply it's wise for Sony to prioritize the North American market when they have to cut the intended shipping of 2 million units down to 500000 at launch. The 100000 units for Japan is a mere paper launch for political reasons.

Even though Sony would be getting more money for those 500000 PS3 units if they sold them in Europe as €600 is more money per unit than $600 is, it's smarter to sell them in North America in the long term.

Why is that you may ask? Two reasons, 1) The competition is stronger on the NA market. Xbox 360 has sold some 4-5 millions units there while only 1,3 million in EU. Big failure in Japan. 2) HD-DVD is stronger in NA than in EU and BluRay is very important to Sony and it's in their best interest to combat that early on.

[Applefiend]

Be interesting to see if the Europeans give in to the triple delights of Gears of War, PES, and Forza 2 for 360 this Christmas, since our Sony God has abandoned us... till March. :)

[Chris Metal]

masteratt I rep'd you on your post on previous page.

Anyway, My thoughts about Sony haven't changed. I still think they're a great company and do think about their customers. Their new line of Bravia HDTV's are second to none (wish I'd bought one of those instead of a Panasonic Viera). Sure I feeel that I wished I was getting my PS3 this year but these things happen, and europe always have to wait for everything, and its no different here.

But what is different is the quality of the product we're gonna be waiting for and the advantages this delay will bring. This delay relieves some pressure on the game developers as they only have to cater enough copies to ship to 2 territories, not three. When March 2007 comes around, can you imagine the list of titles we'll get to pick from, some of the best are coming out next year and we'll get the chance to play them from day one, not wait. Another point is the reliability of the bluray. now I have every faith in sony as my DVD never went wrong once in PS2. But Blu-Ray is a new format for the UK especially so release=ing late give them time to bug test and optimize the hardware so we get few defects.

I'm just gonna chill and enjoy reading the mags and any news which appears up and till the launch. See you online on PS3 in 2007 lads.

[VG Aficionado]

Be interesting to see if the Europeans give in to the triple delights of Gears of War, PES, and Forza 2 for 360 this Christmas, since our Sony God has abandoned us... till March. :)Sony should just cut PS2's price in Europe down to 99€ (actually, some bundles imply that the console is priced already at a similarly low price) and make sure to promote and release all the remaining important games in Europe that have yet to come (MGS3: Subsistence, DMC3 SE, FFXII, GoW2, etc.).

[Teh Roxor!]

I know brand loyalty and having an "allegiance" to any one company is stupid, but I've always been mostly a Nintendo person. I became less so with the Gamecube until the DS came out, then I was back... Anyway, I've never really been impressed with Sony in their Playstation department. Many of the games were great, but the consoles themselves always felt crappy to me. When I buy a PS3, (probably in two years or so) it won't be for Sony. It will be for the games which may or may not come out that will compell me to buy it.

[Fazares]

i dont care about brand loyalty and other nonsense...i care about games...sony can go screw themself if they wish.....

[Voidler]

I feel as perfectly indifferent to them as I always did. They're a corporation, it's the games and the console that'll waver my opinions

[Killing Moon]

I think what bothers me the most about threads like this is in how selfish and ignorant that they come off. Sony is a company run by human beings, not machines. Human beings make mistakes, they have flaws and yes, in this case, delays or shortages. It’s not the end of the world if there are only 400k consoles available at launch. In fact as gamers you already know what you’re going to do in that aspect anyway. You’re simply gonna go to a friend’s house who already owns the console, play it there and eventually purchase your console when it becomes available. I can’t think of any serious launch that DIDN’T have shortages that most people cared about. So why is everyone making such a hissy fit over this like little girls is beyond me.

Secondly, if you don’t live in Europe, please shut the fuck up. What does it matter to you if that isn’t your living region? It’s just making a mountain out of a molehill.

Lastly, if you’re a Sony hater, Nintendo fan or Xbox fan, complaining that you aren’t getting a PS3 NOW is the equivalent of giving yourself a personal BJ. Why scream about it now when you know full and well that you WERE NOT going to buy a PS3 in the first place? This is just another form of bandwagon jumper that I hate and always have.

Bottom line [via the rant] is this:
If you’re buying a PS3 because of the console, then you shouldn’t be in this pastime in the first place. People buy consoles for games, not for the hardware. Everyone here and everywhere else knows damn well that this shortage and other minor (yes, they are minor because no one will give two shits in a few months’ time after launch) setbacks won’t mean squat once the huge abundance of strong first-releases and exclusives begin to flood the gates. It happens with each Sony console and this one looks no different.

Until then, play your games, or develop your talent and please, for the love of god:
http://web2.airmail.net/pirate/stfu.gif

[indiekid4]

Every company lies and screws up...it happens to every company. Because we are mostly Playstation players we hold SONY under a microscope and therefore analyze every single move they make to the T. We are more aware of their plans and when we see them do something that's a tad bit off or wrong we jump all over them. When you are the king of what you do everything you produce/say/do is securitized by the masses. It's the nature of the business.

[yoshaw]

Secondly, if you don’t live in PAL territories(EMEA/Australasia), please shut the fuck up. What does it matter to you if that isn’t your living region? It’s just making a mountain out of a molehill.

fixed :pleased:

Overall great post, Killingmoon. But I think the storm is pretty toned down now. So take it easy mate ;)

[Smokey]

i have lost nothing so nothing has changed!

ps, this forum is overtley depressing not the news :(

[yoshaw]

Don't wanna make two new threads for these tidbits so here you go
:)


- Game Republic announced a new PS3 action adventure game called Unknown Realms, the two protagonists are two sisters Ellen and Keats. Ellen is a high school girl and Keats is a female journalist. One day they received a letter from their mother, who died a long time ago in their childhood. They will travel between reality and other dimensions to solve the mysteries, including the spirit world, martial world, hell and realm under the ocean. The sisters will gain the power to summon monsters and spirits in their journey.

LOTR The White Council Artwork
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/vignette/2/1f8c86de8be3d6e7fc3f7523dd8c5e6c.jpg (http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/2/1f8c86de8be3d6e7fc3f7523dd8c5e6c.html) http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/vignette/2/1d7044442619867f588adaedec6773e7.jpg (http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/2/1d7044442619867f588adaedec6773e7.html)

[VG Aficionado]

Funny. IGN said the other day that Unknown Realms was the new tentative title for Monster Kingdom. As a matter of fact, I changed its title in the video archive thread. Maybe they were wrong.

[cliffbo]

Sony makes good products and loves to be the trendsetter for technology. But they shouldn't boast numbers that can't be reached, like how they said 4 million PS3s by the end of 2006. With all the new technology in the console, its impossible to mass produce new technologies in a short time to meet a 2 million console demand around the world. Which is why they shouldve stated at E3 that they will release information regarding the launch at another time. They are pretty dumb when it comes to releasing info on their products, yet they still somehow end up being the market leader. They may be arrogant, but they were right when they said if they just sold a box that said Playstation on it..it will sell.

you say they should not boast numbers that can`t be reached but at the time of publishing those numbers they believed they could be reached and they only stated what they thought they could/would achieve they were not to know that there would a major blu-ray diode production problem so they should be given a little leeway here especially considering they have always stated
that everything was subject to change.

remember the main reason for most disappointments are the fans themselves getting over hyped over the smallest piece`s of info they get just look at some of the threads on this forum for proof of that!

:)

[Smokey]

remember the main reason for most disappointments are the fans themselves getting over hyped over the smallest piece`s of info they get just look at some of the threads on this forum for proof of that!
too true cliffy :)

[Kiosko]

I still like Sony. But there spring delay and the blu-ray issues made me unsure that the launch would be worldwide.

[Grovestreet]

Sony are just lying fu*kers, I have lost to much faith in Sony now, Cant even be bothered to look at the damn games anymore now! FFS! Appears I am moving closer and closer to MS.... :/

[VG Aficionado]

Grevestreet man, chill out a bit :)

[cliffbo]

okay there is no doubting that many people are going to be disappointed, especially in Europe. we were biting at the bit, getting ever closer to launch of a true next gen machine. we forum users are sometimes a little too idealistic and tend to expect things to run without hitches, but in the real world of unexpected misfortune, small set backs like this are common place. nothing in the history of 'anything' has ever gone perfectly. Sony are a company like any other and can't be expected to bring together so many variables in one box without a trip or two along the way. So I say: 'Sony i forgive you for this and any other problem you may encounter in the coming years. I know the wait will be worth it and that all will be well in the end'

AMEN!

[woundingchaney]

I think Sony is a good company, much like I always have. I dont really believe much of what they have to say but that goes for all the console comps as well. I think they are all full of shit honestly, particularly in their statements.

Its not as if people are going to go on a rampage and demolish their neighborhoods because Sony cancelled launch in Europe (well at least not the sane ones).:wave:

[version]

some bad news on the way LOL

downgrade
downgrade
downgrade

[yoshaw]

^:nono: :whogives:

[venomv]

Sony are just lying fu*kers, I have lost to much faith in Sony now, Cant even be bothered to look at the damn games anymore now! FFS! Appears I am moving closer and closer to MS.... :/

Because this was always in their plan to begin with I'm sure, it is always a good practice to let your customers down.....


[/sarcasm]

[Coded-Dude]

Also note: MS never lies or lets their customers down, so that would be a wise decision by Grovestreet.

btw - How is Vista coming along.......

[woundingchaney]

Also note: MS never lies or lets their customers down, so that would be a wise decision by Grovestreet.

btw - How is Vista coming along.......
LOL

Well the betas are fun for about an hour.

[Coded-Dude]

O:-]

[Maltroph]

what would you do if they announced a NA delay for ps3's

[liver_kick]

Heh, stumbled on this today. The more things change...
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-246319.html

[MasaC]

Heh, stumbled on this today. The more things change...
http://news.com.com/2100-1040-246319.html

OMG!!!!11!!

The PS2 is doomed. We're gonna see publishers cancel upcoming games and move on the competitive platforms instead. This is really sad news!

</sarcasm> alt. </attempt at humour>

[Beenie Man]

Its funny since the DC was half the price($150 vs. $300), had more AAA games, better graphics, in more quantity, and the PS2's ambitious sales plans were severly reduced and Europe got the system last. Hmm sounds familiar( cough*PS3*cough).

[Maltroph]

the deferance is that everyone was awaiting the ps2 and knew the dreamcast wouldnt compeat.
its a different situation now

[Beenie Man]

I'm just saying it sounds familiar and similar to the situation the PS3 is in now.

The PS3's original 4 million for 2006 has been split in half for 2 million for Christmas like the PS2.

The 360 has more mature second gen games, more AAA titles, and more systems in bigger quantity as well as having a year start with 10 million units planning to be shipped like the Dreamcast.

The 360 is half the price of the premium PS3, and $200 less than the premium PS3. Similar to the $150 vs. $300 situation yet the PS2 still sold even though the games had worser graphics and quality compared to the DC even though it had a higher price.

I'm just saying there are similarities. But that doesn't mean what happened last gen, will happen this gen.

[senas8]

If game dev. can hit their target videos ... much like the new Motorstorm...its going to be the greatest underdog story of our time....much like the new Rocky movie.
"Sony with the comeback"

[ddaryl]

Absolutly none of the bad news that trickled out since E3 has even effected me. I now how this industry works and that time changes everything.

It wasn't worth arguing about because until the proof is out there wasn't much to debate or worth getting overly worked up about.

What we are beginning to see and what TGS will bring will cure most everyones ills IMO

[Applefiend]

The Dreamcast/360 comparisons always fall down at the end, Microsoft are no Sega, and Sega are no Microsoft. The only comparison I can think of is Sega fans supported Sega no badly how they screwed up... But let's not go there. :)

As for 360, I'm having a hard time finding games I like for 360 this christmas, I don't think my taste is *that* weird. I just got Saints Row, next week I'm getting Dead Rising, and at christmas Gears of War, but I'm having zero trouble finding PS2 games I want...

Okami, Final Fantasy 12, Guitar Hero 2, Rogue Galaxy, Valkyrie Profile 2, Bully. All great games.

As always with these guys who have real passionate hatred for anything Playstation or Sony, you got to give me good alternatives. Because good PS2 and good PS3 games this Christmas combined are really rocking the house. I ain't even got to PSP games yet.

You know, it's all about finding games that aren't weak clones or one sequel too many. Finding good original games that feel fresh, and Sony are delivering that right now... Not to New Zealand, I got to import everything, but they do deliver... Somewhere. :)

[masteratt]

I ain't even got to PSP games yet.

Oh please do! :)
I am raelly having troubling justifying to my conscience the purchase of the PSP :nervous:

[Applefiend]

hehehe. OK, good PSP games you should buy.

if you haven't already got these, get...

Pursuit Force (yyyyeeeahhhh!)
Lumines
SSX (console port but really works for me)
Daxter
Loco Roco (Which I like, so there)
Burnout Legends
Wipeout Pure
Tokobot
Lemming
Exit
Ultimate Ghouls'n'Goblins (even though it's 'ard as nails)
Guitaro man lives

But mostly Lemmings!!!

I think there's some decent gaming there that's not console port junk.

Save your money for...

Tekken DR
Killzone Liberation
Silent Hill Origins
Metal Gear Portable Ops
Every Extend Extra
Lumines 2
Metal Slug Anthology

And some PS1 games this November.

That's some pretty good gaming there. I'm not sure if I like the GTA games on PSP, feels better at home on a console.

I do admit I pick up my PSP games on greatest hits/bargain bin, as I think they want too much money for them.

I think a lot of people bored of PSP are bored of handheld gaming full stop to be honest. I've missed out a few games there that aren't my kinda thing.

If you do hate all of those, you can have a lot of fun with PSP with home brew and emulators. I don't, I got my GP2X, but it's all good.

Even as a device for watching video podcasts it's really good, I think my PSP is going to get a lot more use for that alone.

Sony and their partners are delivering a lot of very fine games this Christmas on PSP, PS2 and PS3. I don't see Microsoft doing this. And it's all about the games, right?

[masteratt]

You might have a point with the "bored of the handheld" theory there, boss.

PSP hasn't felt innovative enough yet though- I mean look at that, mostly ports or re-makes of old games! Not good enough. Shocking for a Sony console to be honest but on the other hand, any money I do get goes to PS2 games so the poor PSP gets left in the dark.

So there we have it- It's a combination of those things that made me almost ignore the PSP.

Thanks for the list and I will definately get a hold of Exit. Loco Roco demo was great but I am not sure how much of it I can take lol.
And yeah my two "OMG OMG!" games for PSP are MGS and Syphon Filter (not out here in the UK yet..Hell there isn't even a release date announced:()

Actually just reading your post and seeing how I feel about the PSP- Sony might have a problem here: They might set their fan's expectations too high now and despite releasing great games, fans will never be pleased.

Well, thanks for the response- You got your well deserved +rep ;)
(for anyone who is thinking this is off-topic, it isn't as the title of the topic asks how we feel about Sony)

[Applefiend]

Yeah you know, there are games you'll buy for PSP that'll just sit on the shelf and never play, but you can't go wrong with a good puzzle game like Exit, Lemmings, or Lumines. Or a game that doesn't quite work on a modern console but is excellent on a handheld like Metal Slug.

For the OMGs on PSP it's games you never imagined you'd play on a handheld like GTA or Tekken. Real working latest Tekken on a handheld? That's just bat shit insane.

But yeah, every Christmas Sony secure the best lineup of games out there, and have been doing that for at least the last 6 or 7 years, this year is no exception. It's how they stayed number 1. Better games.

[Killing Moon]

I'm just saying it sounds familiar and similar to the situation the PS3 is in now.

The PS3's original 4 million for 2006 has been split in half for 2 million for Christmas like the PS2.

The 360 has more mature second gen games, more AAA titles, and more systems in bigger quantity as well as having a year start with 10 million units planning to be shipped like the Dreamcast.

The 360 is half the price of the premium PS3, and $200 less than the premium PS3. Similar to the $150 vs. $300 situation yet the PS2 still sold even though the games had worser graphics and quality compared to the DC even though it had a higher price.

I'm just saying there are similarities. But that doesn't mean what happened last gen, will happen this gen.

On what F'ing planet did the DC have better visuals than the PS2?! At the PS2's launch, there wasn't anything competing visually with the likes of Dynasty Warriors, Ridge Racer V, SSX or even Tekken Tag.

Gross exaggerations of the DC's abilties are still annoying to me. The best thing the DC did at the time over the PS2 was in maintaining better textured [bad] ports and little else. It did not have overall better visuals and considering that most of what the DC really had/has to offer were shallow arcade titles and failed "experiments", I wouldn't say that their games were better overall either.

I had PLENTY of friends who owned the console (all Sony haters, BTW), just about every game and not one game made me say "DAMN, I need to own this system!". At most, I enjoyed TXR2, but even that turned out better on the PS2 (as TXRZero). The best use for that thing seemed to be for NES, SNES and Sega Genesis emulators (for which I eventually bought the console off someone for 20-bucks).

People really need to let that shit go. The Dreamcast was NOT that great of a console. If we talked about the Genesis or even the Saturn, then yeah, I'd agree. But I always get the feeling that people give more credit to the DC simply due to death-pity and just overall distaste for anything Sony related. Seriously, there really wan't anything truly innovative OR ground-breaking on the console. It just seemed more like a "transitional champion" until the next real console came along to fill the need.

But yes, I'm sure that the 360 has "more mature" 2nd gen games. Y'know, like Killswit--- 'er Gears of War and plenty of multiplat titles that you can get on the PS3 at the very same time (or will end up being ported). The best thing coming down the pipeline for that console is still Mass Effect, and lord only knows when THAT thing will be ready.

I do believe that the DC/360 comparisons to the PS2/PS3 are justified. The 360 to me, just like the Dreamcast is an overrated, lackluster console, full of shallow, mediocre content that audiences are overbloating in order to justify an empty purchase against another company that they hate so strongly. Essentially, another half-hearted, transitional champion until the real meat arrives a year later; just somethin' to keep you busy, like an undercard bout before the Main Event.

Myself personally, I just wanna' play games that I know I can't get anywhere else. Games that stimulate me as both a hardcore gamer and as an artist/developer. I mean, I can only play but so many cookie-cutter anime fighters, shallow arcade ports or darkly lit, normal-mapped FPS's before I go brain dead here.

But...that's just my view on it.

[Applefiend]

I can see me defending Dreamcast here...

Well.. Kinda... As I keep harping on PS2 was good for 7 years, 2000-2007. Dreamcast was good for a year, tops. That ain't a classic console, that's a crap console.

But what a year....

Virtua Fighter 3tb
Jet Set Radio
Virtua Tennis
Sega Rally 2
Skies of Arcadia
Samba De Amigo
Tokyo Extreme Challenge 2
Space Channel 5
Shen Mue 1+2
SF Third Strike
Seaman
Ultimate Fighting Championship
Soul Calibur
first ever online console mmorpg, pso
Resident Evil code veronica
rayman 2
head hunter
Ikaruga
Rez
Ready 2 rumble boxing
Crazy Taxi 1 + 2
Metropolis Street racer
Zero Gunner 2
Sonic Adventure 1+2

All for $99!! How can you hate that?

I'm cataloguing m DC games today btw. :)

DC has two basic tricks, FSAA, pretty damn cool trick in 1999, and fairly decent quality textures. A lot of PS2 haters are very hung up on those two tricks, but for the most part DC games are very low poly count. Graphically not that great. But if you like single texturing and low poly counts, phhwwaahhh! Graphics heaven.

A lot of segans think they got the best year of gaming ever(They went from Playstation and Saturn to Soul Calibur), then got it snatched away from them by evil Sony. Bollocks of course...

[Killing Moon]

I can see me defending Dreamcast here...

Well.. Kinda... As I keep harping on PS2 was good for 7 years, 2000-2007. Dreamcast was good for a year, tops. That ain't a classic console, that's a crap console.

But what a year....

Virtua Fighter 3tb
Jet Set Radio
Virtua Tennis
Sega Rally 2
Skies of Arcadia
Samba De Amigo
Tokyo Extreme Challenge 2
Space Channel 5
Shen Mue 1+2
SF Third Strike
Seaman
Ultimate Fighting Championship
Soul Calibur
first ever online console mmorpg, pso
Resident Evil code veronica
rayman 2
head hunter
Ikaruga
Rez
Ready 2 rumble boxing
Crazy Taxi 1 + 2
Metropolis Street racer
Zero Gunner 2
Sonic Adventure 1+2

All for $99!! How can you hate that?

I'm cataloguing m DC games today btw. :)

DC has two basic tricks, FSAA, pretty damn cool trick in 1999, and fairly decent quality textures. A lot of PS2 haters are very hung up on those two tricks, but for the most part DC games are very low poly count. Graphically not that great. But if you like single texturing and low poly counts, phhwwaahhh! Graphics heaven.

A lot of segans think they got the best year of gaming ever(They went from Playstation and Saturn to Soul Calibur), then got it snatched away from them by evil Sony. Bollocks of course...

I hate to do this, but let me break this down.
Virtua Fighter 3tb- very good, I’ll give you that. This game made me like VF along with Fighter Mix on the Saturn
Jet Set Radio- was okay for about 20min. The Japanese OST was the best part
Virtua Tennis- perfect example, nice arcade game, but not much depth
Sega Rally 2- no. boring and very dull
Skies of Arcadia- EXTREMELY generic JRPG. Other than flying ships, it wasn’t more generic than any of the Wild Arms series
Samba De Amigo- cute…not much else. Just, cute.
Tokyo Extreme Challenge 2- Xtreme Racer, you mean. I’m always a Shotoku Battle fan and noted this game already.
Space Channel 5- no. just…no. Not even remotely great, just cute, again.
Shen Mue 1+2- I’m sorry, but this game was a severely failed experiment. I commend Suzuki on giving it an attempt, but open-ended games are not on Japanese developers’ list of talents.
SF Third Strike- Broken. While better than CVS2, SFIII is NOTORIOUSLY broken via the parry system.
Seaman- cute, but not much else.
Ultimate Fighting Championship- THIS I was a fan of because it was the first of its kind. Plus you’re preaching to the choir, I’m a MMAist.
Soul Calibur- was good, but the Calibur series, while in depth in some areas, is much too “user friendly” for casual audiences compared to Soul Edge.
first ever online console mmorpg, pso- PSO is not an MMO. You play 4 players at a time within dungeon crawl missions. Again, cute, but only for “console gamers” who don’t know any better.
Resident Evil code veronica- RE has always been a bad series, even on the PSOne. It gets by purely through (again) console gamers’ own ignorance.
rayman 2- you got me. EXCELLENT game
head hunter- Dogshit. I don’t even know WHY you mentioned this
Ikaruga- Meh…was similar to another Treasure shooter (character based side scrolling) for the PSOne,but the name escapes me right now. And nowhere near as good as Radiant Silvergun on the Saturn (its prequel).
Rez- cute game. I have it also on the PS2.
Ready 2 rumble boxing- cute game, had it also. Not much else.
Crazy Taxi 1 + 2- Part 1, was fun. But again, a quickie arcade game. Part 2 was the same shit again.
Metropolis Street racer- okay game, but not much else. A half-hearted attempt at out GT’ing GT, via arcadey mechanics
Zero Gunner 2- meh
Sonic Adventure 1+2- the first game was okay, but had an EXCELLENT OST. Part 2 was trash through and through. The beginning of the end for the Sonic series.

The DC did have some uber-easy, but halfway decent shooters. Like GigaWing, for example. Power Stone was okay, but I've already played Ergheiz, it's just more wacky.

[Applefiend]

IGN gave head hunter 9/10! Called Highway Challenge in the UK.

Heh, not going to argue you point by point, but if you're used to Playstation 1, Saturn and N64, there's some good gaming there, and a few classics. And if Miyamoto thinks Samba De Amigo is great, why can't I... You do like Shiggy don't you? Everytime someone says no a pikmin dies.

But you either like Sega... Or you don't.

[woundingchaney]

As for 360, I'm having a hard time finding games I like for 360 this christmas, I don't think my taste is *that* weird. I just got Saints Row, next week I'm getting Dead Rising, and at christmas Gears of War, but I'm having zero trouble finding PS2 games I want...



Im finding good games and those I like what Im having trouble with is finding good lasting games. For the most part Im buying games and playing through them once only to discard them for store credit to get another fix. The 360 has some very good titles but it is really lacking the definitive experience at the moment.

This fall there is a few (not a lot) 360 titles I want and really only one or tow PS3 titles, but the pc is really what has me going for the holidays (LOL cant believe Im finding more and more interest in pc gaming these days).

[Smokey]

Resident Evil code veronica- RE has always been a bad series, even on the PSOne. It gets by purely through (again) console gamers’ own ignorance.
well call me ignorant cause i love em. it was my first game on ps2. the only gripe i had was the awkward movement carried over from ps1 :)

[Applefiend]

Yup, me too. Most 360 games I bought I've banged through in 7-12 hours and then sold. Not a big fan of multiplayer. Saints Row may be derivative as hell, but it's one of the few original 360 games that actually lasts you a long time in single player, that's why I got it even with my reservations.

360 is a very expensive hobby...

[Fats]

Christ, Resident Evil is a bad series... Well I'll be damned...

*continues to be amazed by RE4*

[woundingchaney]

Yup, me too. Most 360 games I bought I've banged through in 7-12 hours and then sold. Not a big fan of multiplayer. Saints Row may be derivative as hell, but it's one of the few original 360 games that actually lasts you a long time in single player, that's why I got it even with my reservations.

360 is a very expensive hobby...
LOL

At this point I could agree although about twice a month I just sell whatever game I beat and then add about 20 dollars for a new title. There are a few that Im still playing like Obl., DOA4, Burnout and TT but for the most part I agree the games need the lasting value. Although Im very big on online gaming so that may differentiate between our opinions.

One thing Im extremely disappointed in is that its about 9 months into the game and we are still playing ports, everything is a simple rehashed pc or last gen title. I havent seen one title thats built around the system yet, although this fall should change that. As much as I hated to hear about PS3 delays and what not I think they made a wise decision in this instance, this way they can keep their last gen games on a last gen console and come in this winter or beginning of next year when things blossom.

[extremeps3gamer]

Well, yeah, I think I'm feeling what most of us are feeling at the moment. A little distrust towards Sony for twisting the truth again, but overall, I'm feeling a little better over the whole ordeal. I just hope that Sony can pull themselves out of this gutter and really shine like the Golden Playstation days. :)

I totally agree with you!!!!

[extremeps3gamer]

I don't know why everyone gets so upset about the bad news sourroding the ps3 there's gonna be bad news and the reason for the delays is because shortages of parts for the ps3 reason for shortages of parts problems manufactering the parts

[PUNK em 733]

On what F'ing planet did the DC have better visuals than the PS2?! At the PS2's launch, there wasn't anything competing visually with the likes of Dynasty Warriors, Ridge Racer V, SSX or even Tekken Tag.

Gross exaggerations of the DC's abilties are still annoying to me. The best thing the DC did at the time over the PS2 was in maintaining better textured [bad] ports and little else. It did not have overall better visuals and considering that most of what the DC really had/has to offer were shallow arcade titles and failed "experiments", I wouldn't say that their games were better overall either.

I had PLENTY of friends who owned the console (all Sony haters, BTW), just about every game and not one game made me say "DAMN, I need to own this system!". At most, I enjoyed TXR2, but even that turned out better on the PS2 (as TXRZero). The best use for that thing seemed to be for NES, SNES and Sega Genesis emulators (for which I eventually bought the console off someone for 20-bucks).

People really need to let that shit go. The Dreamcast was NOT that great of a console. If we talked about the Genesis or even the Saturn, then yeah, I'd agree. But I always get the feeling that people give more credit to the DC simply due to death-pity and just overall distaste for anything Sony related. Seriously, there really wan't anything truly innovative OR ground-breaking on the console. It just seemed more like a "transitional champion" until the next real console came along to fill the need.

But yes, I'm sure that the 360 has "more mature" 2nd gen games. Y'know, like Killswit--- 'er Gears of War and plenty of multiplat titles that you can get on the PS3 at the very same time (or will end up being ported). The best thing coming down the pipeline for that console is still Mass Effect, and lord only knows when THAT thing will be ready.

I do believe that the DC/360 comparisons to the PS2/PS3 are justified. The 360 to me, just like the Dreamcast is an overrated, lackluster console, full of shallow, mediocre content that audiences are overbloating in order to justify an empty purchase against another company that they hate so strongly. Essentially, another half-hearted, transitional champion until the real meat arrives a year later; just somethin' to keep you busy, like an undercard bout before the Main Event.

Myself personally, I just wanna' play games that I know I can't get anywhere else. Games that stimulate me as both a hardcore gamer and as an artist/developer. I mean, I can only play but so many cookie-cutter anime fighters, shallow arcade ports or darkly lit, normal-mapped FPS's before I go brain dead here.

But...that's just my view on it.


A-MEN! I would rep you to high hell if i could.:thumpsup:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah he said it right there.

[GTShotoKen]

I really don't agree with him at all, but it's nice that his hearts in the right place. :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I think people are sleepin' on ps3 and when it hit's it's gonna drop bombs on ya moms.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Resident Evil is a bad series!?!!?

[Applefiend]

Suprised the dude wasn't chased out of the forum by villagers with pitch forks for dissing Soul Calibur on Dreamcast. :) Unlike 2006, 1999 was a killer classic year for gaming, mostly down to Dreamcast, the rest down to Square.

[NickSCFC]

The 360 to me, just like the Dreamcast is an overrated, lackluster console, full of shallow, mediocre content that audiences are overbloating in order to justify an empty purchase against another company that they hate so strongly. Essentially, another half-hearted, transitional champion until the real meat arrives a year later; just somethin' to keep you busy, like an undercard bout before the Main Event.

Did PS2 have any FPS games as good as Halo 2?

No

Will PS3 have any FPS games as good as Halo 3?

Very unlikely!

[ddaryl]

Did PS2 have any FPS games as good as Halo 2?

No

Will PS3 have any FPS games as good as Halo 3?

Very unlikely!



LMAO

Nice strong argument :tardbang:

[VG Aficionado]

PS3 will get a port of Half-Life 2. Even if it's not exclusive, that's going to make me ignore Halo 3 completely.

[Kiwi]

Did PS2 have any FPS games as good as Halo 2?

No

Will PS3 have any FPS games as good as Halo 3?

Very unlikely!

Well there aren't that many FPS games that'll beat Halo (at least on the console platform anyway), but the argument you're putting forward isn't a particularly great one.

Halo is a good game, but you can't base your whole Xbox vs PlayStation argument on a single game.

[Sephiroth_VII]

I'm sorry, but I've tried Halo, and I think it's wildly overrated.

HL2 & UT beats the crap out of it, even when playing it on PC, with a PS controller.

Give me ONE thing that you feel makes HALO superior.

[Smokey]

Give me ONE thing that you feel makes HALO superior
its only superior in xbox's minds, if there was no HALO xbox would be...what?

[Kiwi]

I'm sure if there wasn't Halo the acclaim would be shifted onto something else.

[Garfunkel]

shhhhh be quiet guys, remember it is the only good game they have remember!

[Kiwi]

I was actually going to give some examples in my previous post, but I couldn't think of any.

Don't get me wrong, I own an Xbox, and the only real complaint I have is the lack of decent titles.

[Black Dragon37]

The thing about Sony is that they can market their console product with a lot of confidence in their PR. So people would abviously be very disillusioned and disappointed with Sony went their claims fall flat due to various circumstances.

What makes people love/hate Sony even more is that they act on the few words that I remember from Batman Begins:

Why do we fall?

So that we can learn to pick ourselves up.

If you look at it this way, this is why they are loved and hated at the same time: they'll go on like nothing happened, regardless of the many obstacles they crashed into.

It worked first time: the PS2 had worse negative publicity than the PS3 is currently getting, yet it pushed the Dreamcast off the Guiness Book of Records as the fastest-selling console at launch (980,000 units in 48 hours) and has become the biggest selling console ever.

I'm currently reading a feature on GamesIndustry.biz about Sony's humilating delay (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=19517) and its predicted aftermath(?). Good read, it is. :)

[Applefiend]

Well, you know Halo 2 is an online thing. You have Halo 2, all your little mates online have Halo 2, you play together, don't have to be good, everyone has it.

But not me...

Main thing Halo 2 has going for it is the soundtrack and some very well shaded cutscenes.

[jaxmkii]

Did PS2 have any FPS games as good as Halo 2?

No

Will PS3 have any FPS games as good as Halo 3?

Very unlikely!

Any game ANYGAME! that takes less than two clips to kill a man is better than halo

so yes the answer is Red Faction shit actualy blewup (geomod)

oh and the MP in RFII was way cooler

[Kiwi]

MP TimeSplitters kicked arse as well.

[Fazares]

am i right...?
did i hear someone dissing the dreamcast....?
arghhhhh...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Dreamcast was cool and all but it's not the martyr console everyone loves to romanticize it as.

[Fazares]

Dreamcast was cool and all but it's not the martyr console everyone loves to romanticize it as.
indeed its better....

[Killing Moon]

Dreamcast was cool and all but it's not the martyr console everyone loves to romanticize it as.

Exactly.

And for the guy with the Halo comments, it's never been that good of a game. Mostly overrated for (again) console gamers and Xbox fans. Essentially, those who don't know any better via neglect of PC games.

[woundingchaney]

Halo is a great game.

[Applefiend]

Halo 1 is a great game.

Halo 2 is it's dissapointing sequel.

On single player it just doesn't deliver, Half Life 2 does, and does on XBox. Most people who bought Halo 2 played it as a single player game, that's quite disturbing.

On multiplayer, horribly overrated. Terrible waste of time, get a cheap ass PC with UT2004/HL2/etc. The fact people willingly still pay 50 bucks a year to play dinosaur games like Halo 2 is also quite disturbing.

[EvilTaru]

I admit I was kind of mad but after seeing the Resistance footage (which was not supposed to be the stuff they showed on Tuesday according to Dunham at IGNPS3), I am very much looking forward to an exciting launch.

[Kiwi]

Halo is a great game.

Agreed, but I got annoyed with the people who made it out to be the 2nd coming of Christ.

[EvilTaru]

Agreed, but I got annoyed with the people who made it out to be the 2nd coming of Christ.

It's got that "tin with ray-gun trying to save humanity" savior thing going though. :P

Holy smoke I think Sega should make Yakuza 3 for the PS3, since they're going with the Yakuza series on the PS2 with Yakuza 2. Yakuza is total pwnage.

That Federer is just unnatural... is there one thing in his game that is bad?

[OmniCloud]

MP TimeSplitters kicked arse as well.
Timesplitters was so under appreciated man...I agree with with Killing Moon tho that the DC/360 comparision is justified. Sony indeed has the oppurtunity to steal the show again just like with PS2. I'm just not sure they're gonna do it. They need a GTA calibur exclusive-and I dunno if they can do that 3 generations in a row. Would be crazy if they did tho...

btw-Applefiend speaks the truth!! Halo was a great game! what many people fail to realize is that a LOT of people don't even look at PC games (like myself) for buying. My PC is for doing PC stuff-THAT'S IT! I game on my consoles and thats it. Halo was a good muliplayer and single player game-and it was not overrated-Halo 2 well....

[Kiwi]

Sony indeed has the oppurtunity to steal the show again just like with PS2. I'm just not sure they're gonna do it. They need a GTA calibur exclusive-and I dunno if they can do that 3 generations in a row. Would be crazy if they did tho...

There's bound to be one at some point. Just you wait.

[OmniCloud]

I hope so...what genre do u think it will be tho?? What hasn't been done yet in consoles games? Is it even possible for a game to sell as much copies as GTA?

[EvilTaru]

I hope so...what genre do u think it will be tho?? What hasn't been done yet in consoles games? Is it even possible for a game to sell as much copies as GTA?

The thing is that GTA is NOT doing things that haven't been done, basically it's a bit of a mature Zelda-type open-world action-adventure game with a bunch of missions but without the boss fights. What Sony needs to do besides innovating is take various existing gameplay concepts and incorporate them into a seamless, open-world game but in a VERY POLISHED way.

The problem in the past is that the Getaway series lacked polish big time, same with Killzone. It's all about execution. This was how God of War got its critical acclaim. THIS is what Insomniac is doing with Resistance, making a polished, well-rounded, fully featured game, this is what the developers at Sony needs to do, concentrate on execution and level of polish, good gameplay design, intuitive controls, good camera, good story, variety in gameplay, immersiveness and seamlessness. Innovation is meaningless if the developer can't turn it into a polished game.

I think Sony should take one of their best teams and make more of a fantasy open-world game with great boss fights. The whole Zelda-type 3D action adventure genre has not be adequately explored, and if done well with appeal, this can be very lucrative genre.

[Kiwi]

I hope so...what genre do u think it will be tho?? What hasn't been done yet in consoles games? Is it even possible for a game to sell as much copies as GTA?

Well not including GBA games, Gran Turismo 3 is the largest selling game of the current lot of consoles, so who knows where our next bestseller will be coming from.

[OmniCloud]

^Yeah I thought about GT when I was posting....Honestly, Sony has enough franchises alone to have a great system. GoW, and GT being a few off the top. But I guess it will come down to what Evil Taru said-the polish levels of these games has to go up considerably. And I agree mostly. GoW didn't exactly do anything revolutionary or knew-it simply was polished to death and thats the reason it has gotten so much praise even comparing it to Zelda in some cases. I'm also looking forward to what the ICO team does next...

[woundingchaney]

Agreed, but I got annoyed with the people who made it out to be the 2nd coming of Christ.
Yeah unfortunately when a game reaches a certain magnitude everyone tends to overhype the hell out of it.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Success is 1 percent inspiration 99 percent persperation.
-Alexander Hamilton

It doesn't matter how good your idea is if you don't pull it off.

[kaphwan]

Now that I think about it, PS2 was delayed shitloads, especially to Australia.

No, I didn't care about delays then either.

[Applefiend]

XBox was delayed in Australia a year after Europe....!

Getting back on topic, it's interesting going to other forums, and you see the Sony news they have in their forums, it's always:

"KK said this strange thing"
"PS3 delayed"
"Numbers cut"

Every single story is negative. It's like PS3 is some Pandora's box for all the negativity in gaming. Bollocks. It's a games console, a very powerful one, you plug it into your TV, it plays great games. It's also not expensive. If you're mad you jump into threads and start arguing and convince zero people. What you do is this:

"Screenshots from Devil May Cry 4"
"Resistance, 40 players online!"
"Motorstorm new pictures"

You get the same response, "Shame this isn't coming to 360, I ain't paying $100 extra for a console", the usual crap. But it sows seeds in their minds. IOne day they'll wise up, crack, and buy one to play one of these killer exclusive games.

Give them reasons to buy these things, awesome gaming reasons. Best medicine for the negative crap.

Why will PS3 succeed? Great games. In fact the best games. Use that.

[Smokey]

:worthy: :worthy: :worthy: ^appleFiend^ :worthy: :worthy: :worthy:

[xbdestroya]

Applefiend I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at in that last post of yours...

Are you giving a guide for planting seeds of thought, commentary on how other forums conduct themselves, or...?

I guess the question is, do you see your role as someone who should be enticing other people to buy the PS3?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I think it's more of making a point. And combating the folks who are just hating sony because it's in style now, and it's a very short-sighted mindset. A year from now it will have all blown over.

My friend, who doesn't have the means to get a ps3 said the other day, 'I realized that I'm not mad at sony as I am sad that I can't afford to support them and the great games/experiences coming to their shiny black box.'

[cliffbo]

Applefiend I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at in that last post of yours...

Are you giving a guide for planting seeds of thought, commentary on how other forums conduct themselves, or...?

I guess the question is, do you see your role as someone who should be enticing other people to buy the PS3?

no, he's just providing an antidote for those of a lesser constitutions, to use when faced with the deluge of negativity that inevitably finds its way here. :)

[OmniCloud]

One word for all the Bashers-GET A LIFE-Seriously I think I contribute a significant amount of time to gaming in general and even this forum. And my social life (mainly my girl) is always saying I spend WAY too much time doing either. But how much time do u have on ur hands if ur arguing online to some1 you''ve never met or seen (and probably wont ever see) about videogames??! LOL...I've said it a number of times--these forums are hilarious:-)

[xbdestroya]

I think it's more of making a point. And combating the folks who are just hating sony because it's in style now, and it's a very short-sighted mindset. A year from now it will have all blown over.

My friend, who doesn't have the means to get a ps3 said the other day, 'I realized that I'm not mad at sony as I am sad that I can't afford to support them and the great games/experiences coming to their shiny black box.'


Well I know what Applefiend's root concern was, it's just I think feeling the need to combat it - rather than simply refute it - is going too far in the other direction. And I just wanted to clarify whether or not that's what he was indeed endorsing. :)

I think other PS3 sites are either generally populated by blind Sony-fan zealots, or populated by the sort of 'haters' Applefiend described. Here I think we just want to be a site that discusses things intelligently; that deals with and addresses bad news when it arrises, and that looks past the hype and glitz of good news when that too comes our way. (Because there is a lot of hype and glitz mind you!)

Basically, to do our best to understand both the business and technological sides of the Playstation effort, both positive and negative, and of course discuss the games as well.

[Smokey]

no, he's just providing an antidote for those of a lesser constitutions, to use when faced with the deluge of negativity that inevitably finds its way here. :)
thats what i got too, he always has excellent posts imo love reading them :)

[Phryne Astynome]

This console generation came too early so Sony is bearing the brunt of the damages inflicted by Microsoft's early entry. Not that I am blaming Microsoft for anything, they had to enter early or they would have sustained even higher losses. Personally, none of the games that are coming out for either the PS3 or X360 interest me in the least.

Off Topic: Xbdestroya, on behalf of all Californians, I apologize for the behavior of George "Macaca" Allen. He is unfortunately from an area that I used to reside in. Hopefully, this disgraceful Californian transplant will lose in the VA elections.

[xbdestroya]

Phryne! Long time no see. :smoke:

I agree, Microsoft's move to force Sony's hand went well for them, and it was really the only thing they could reasonably do to pick up global marketshare. At the same time it forced Sony to accelerate, and unfortunately it didn't all come together as seamlessly as they would have liked or hoped.

That said, George Allen... man, have I been witness to a slew of jokes at his expense! Yeah, I hope he loses as well.

[jaxmkii]

Right now im more enthused than ever about PS3 regardless of all the BS the games are looking great.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

This console generation came too early so Sony is bearing the brunt of the damages inflicted by Microsoft's early entry. Not that I am blaming Microsoft for anything, they had to enter early or they would have sustained even higher losses. Personally, none of the games that are coming out for either the PS3 or X360 interest me in the least.

Off Topic: Xbdestroya, on behalf of all Californians, I apologize for the behavior of George "Macaca" Allen. He is unfortunately from an area that I used to reside in. Hopefully, this disgraceful Californian transplant will lose in the VA elections.

We hate George Allen! (see 'location).

EDIT: LaLiLu I edited your post to be a little less 'strong' in the language. ;) Plus we don't want things to get too political here... but yeah, George Allen...

[Phryne Astynome]

Yeah good to see you too xbdestroya. It has been a while. I should mention that Nintendo is the only company that I can see, not having any sort of launch problems like MS or Sony. Ironic isn't it? Especially when you consider that Nintendo was last in the market share.

What this shows is that the next-gen was indeed too early. If MS delayed to late 2006 and Nintendo and Sony to early 2007, I personally think that there might not have been as many troubles on either the hardware or software development side. The developers for example could have received more training if next gen was delayed to late 2006/2007 rather than late 2005. Of course, this is just my opinion.

On the topic of Sony, my opinion hasn't changed much except that Sony shouldn't have rushed this launch. They should have taken their time and not behave in that haphazard manner.

Off topic: LaLiLuLeLo2003, LOL, George Allen is quite a character and I agree with you.