Lair

[VG Aficionado]

[B]Originally Posted by beelzebozo on neogaf
EGM review by crispin, greg ford, and garnett (scores listed in that order):
6.0, 5.5, 5.0Funny. Play magazine (multiplatform, like EGM) gave it a 9.

they say it looks awesomeYeah, they couldn't deny that.

but has some control issues."We don't like motion sensing" :dur:

there's some other stuff"It can't be done on the 360" :pinky:

[Gummy]

You are your own reviewer.
Definitely getting this game.

[LiquidEagle]

Funny. Play magazine (multiplatform, like EGM) gave it a 9.

Yeah, but Play gives damn near ANYTHING high score IMO.

Not to knock Lair, but Play's reviews are some of the least trustworthy in my opinion.

Anyhoo, I'll probably hold off on a day 1 purchase and wait for it to hit the Retail Loyalty Site Sony has for game retailers :-p

[woundingchaney]

Im thinking Gamepro gave the game 3.75 out of 5 (which is about 75%). Although this is currently speculation as I havent seen any solid confirmation of the review itself.

[section]

Why blame the game on it if they don't know how to use the controller? :moon:

[Gummy]

They were actually using this controller.
http://www.atarixlr.com/site/images/big_controller_2.gif

[section]

Ah, EGM is about the same as 1UP. Didn't think of that :P

Now I'm not wondering anymore.

[the poe collector]

http://www.jonco48.com/blog/denial_small.jpg

[section]

^^Shouldn't that be "an apple"? :D

[VG Aficionado]

:lol:

[karibu]

That low scores?
That's it, I'm canceling my Ps3 preorder...

Seriously, never trust reviews.
You're better judge than anyone else.

[Passive]

I played it and it was awesome. They can eat a dick.

god i love how you behave XD its great Lali. btw i kinda trust your opinion over reveiwers anyway haha, because your not getting payed to say its bad or good. and you know how to use a sixaxis.

[evillion]

another thing to remember just one a side note. not all score games are fun or the ones u like. HL2 used to get awards from everywhere but for me it's rather boring and not as enjoyable as doom3. just giving an example here.

[Passive]

well your example sucks! HL2 kicks the shit out of Doom3!!! you loser!!


j.k but proves your point :P i prefer HL2 over doom3 :P its all about personal taste. and obviously these reviewers didnt like it. so what? doesnt mean we wont.

[the boney king of nowhere.]

http://static.pici.se/pictures/DQeJxYlDD.jpg

[Dakota Grabowski]

lol blatant stealing from GAF, give credit where credit due Seahorse

[the boney king of nowhere.]

sorry, i actually took it from the gametrailers forums.

[curryking1]

10, 10, 10, 10?

Wut? Lol! Crazy :P

What game is actually under there???

[Rockmond]

10, 10, 10, 10?

Wut? Lol! Crazy :P

What game is actually under there???

Zelda

[Rockmond]

Originally Posted by beelzebozo on neogaf
EGM review by crispin, greg ford, and garnett (scores listed in that order):
6.0, 5.5, 5.0


Godamn.

They shitted on Lair...

*Watches Xbots have a field day*

[Dakota Grabowski]

sorry, i actually took it from the gametrailers forums.

ahh okay... well they originated from gaf.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

god i love how you behave XD its great Lali. btw i kinda trust your opinion over reveiwers anyway haha, because your not getting payed to say its bad or good. and you know how to use a sixaxis.

Well I mean, I picked up the game...and it made sense. And I played for 20 minutes for 2 of the days we were there at the hangar.

[curryking1]

Zelda

Lol, ya, that was my first guess. It's funny how the review is totally unspecific that you could replace the name with anything and the whole review would still make sense hahaha. That's wicked :)

[Viper]

http://static.pici.se/pictures/DQeJxYlDD.jpg

Holy shit, Lair was developed by Nintendo????


:P

[woundingchaney]

Oh Shit Son LOL

[yoshaw]

:lol: at wounding's attachment.

[LiquidEagle]

I'm just pissed that EGM gave Lair all 10's right there, yet FIFA got the EGM silver award! What gives!?

[9thPower]

like 5.0 for Killzone: Liberation? Bahhh.... Lair will be good, count on it!

[Shadow Voa]

Haha well this is enjoyable to watch, my friend is buying it so I can take a look at it then. Still not interested but Im hoping for a demo to give it a shot...

A demo not like Heavenly Sword... <_<

[Segitz]

I am still more on Lairs side of the fence than HS... (the demo was a big letdown for me, I mean I have both God of War games, which are top of the line adventure games)

Lair is a game that involves dragons... Not cartoon dragons like DQ, no "real life" dragons with fire and such, eating people... Only little other games can top this ("A new Metal Gear??" "Yes, Metal Gear Rex...")


Since I usually give little credit to most reviews, I might try it (fingers crossed for a pre release demo) or rent it before I buy it. Hopefully Eurogamer will review it soon, as I cherish their reviews more than the others (and YES, GeoW and Halo didnt get 9s and 10s there, which I for one appreciate very much, I found Halo to be a VERY dull game)

Let's see how this game pans out. Sadly we have to wait a little more till it is released though.

[acousticvan]

Whos getting this game? I know I'm getting it because I love dragons.

[backbreaker]

I'm picking it up regardless of the reviews, egm reviewed the game from a month old build as per 1up. I'm interested in the flight controls and the story for something new. I'm tired of the beaten path of first person shooters, I need something different and this reminds me of Reign of fire / Lord of the Rings.

Here's a video of the final build already up in a kiosk in Tiwain.

http://n4g.com/ps3/NewsCom-55408.aspx#Comments

[9thPower]

As announced earlier this week, development on Lair has finished and the game is off to duplication! It will be in stores on August 14. I learned a ton of new stuff making this game - and if you pour 2 1/2 years of your life into something, it had better be worth it on some personal level.

http://www.langsuyar.com/news/images/lairDone.jpg

I'm aware of the reviews, of course. Some are very positive, some are not. The common complaint in those bad reviews seem to be the controls - putting the dragon streering on the motion-sensitive SIXAXIS controller doesn't sit well with some of the experienced gamers. First of all: try it out yourself, give it a chance!
And if you want my side of the story, I will share a simple anecdote: Victoria's family, lead by my 83-year old grandfather in law was able to pick up Lair in less than 5 inutes, fly around with the dragon and play the first mission of the game.That experience right there beats anything that the reviewers can say. Because let's face it: the hardcore crowd is an important part of the market, and I sincerely hope that everybody who reads my page and/or hangs out on NeoGAF, IGN, 1UP on a daily basis will buy Lair and enjoy it. Your guys' opinions are important, and they matter.

BUT... making a game that my entire (extended) family can play, that's how we will keep the creative flame (and our industry!) alive.

Check the official sources for more information on Lair. I enjoyed the experience and have tons of ideas on what to do next. In other words, I have already moved on to the next project... :)


P.S.: Hope you like the new vegetation in the final build :)

OMG :buldge: the vegetation, the dragon, the soldiers.... THE GRAPHICS!!!! :buldge:

here the Link: http://www.langsuyar.com/news/news.html

[OmniCloud]

Yup...yup...day one purchase...

I bet the guys who give the game 5.0 are people who scoff at Wii--lol..

anyway, graphics/storyline alone seem to be more than a 5.5 calibur game--this is gonna be a nice addition to PS3's library I think...

[curryking1]

Is it just me or is there waaay too much bloom in that pic? lol :P

I love a lot of Lair videos and pictures, but this is defo not one of those pictures lol. I hope it's not consistently bloomed like that for that level, or it's from a lightning bolt and in motion there isn't so much 'white' everywhere lol.

Anyways, still waiting to see for myself how it plays. I'm sure it'll still be fun. The only thing I'm scared of is that maybe Factor 5 tried to go straight from X-Wing to Dragon and made the Dragon a plane basically. I kind of wish the gameplay was more close combat, I always imagine dragons as very up front and physical kind of beasts, not really long range missile launching animals. I don't think in an FMV conveying the power and strength of a dragon they will ever show a dragon being able to rapidly launch 'fire missiles' or shooting something with their breath from absurdly long range.

I dunno, I always wished for a dragon game, and everything in this fits that bill of what I wanted except what I'm seeing from the gameplay. I don't really want to fly around and shoot stuff with a dragon, I'd personally want to fly around and then go up close to a tower or climb lizard like around castle walls and totally abuse everything in that way. O wellz. :P

[VG Aficionado]

=-o

[OmniCloud]

I am still more on Lairs side of the fence than HS... (the demo was a big letdown for me, I mean I have both God of War games, which are top of the line adventure games)

Lair is a game that involves dragons... Not cartoon dragons like DQ, no "real life" dragons with fire and such, eating people... Only little other games can top this ("A new Metal Gear??" "Yes, Metal Gear Rex...")


Since I usually give little credit to most reviews, I might try it (fingers crossed for a pre release demo) or rent it before I buy it. Hopefully Eurogamer will review it soon, as I cherish their reviews more than the others (and YES, GeoW and Halo didnt get 9s and 10s there, which I for one appreciate very much, I found Halo to be a VERY dull game)

Let's see how this game pans out. Sadly we have to wait a little more till it is released though.Don't judge an entire game on 5 mins of playtime...

I checked out a bunch of sites with impressions from like the first half of the game--and there all in agreement that's its one of PS3's biggest games...

Not that much longer now--but I think it will surpass God of War in more than a few ways--acting for one.

Back on topic--Lair looks awesome...biggest draw distance I've ever seen in a game--can't wait to try out the motion controls...

Freakin-newbs--"WAaaahha, I like to use the analog, I don't like change..waaah" lol

Warhawk/Lair are gonna change the way flight games are made on PS3!

[Sephiroth_VII]

The graphics... THE GRAPHICS!!!

[VG Aficionado]

If you were a MGS3 boss, you would have exploded.

[curryking1]

Lol! :D:D:D

[Cyrus]

I have it preordered from videogamesplus and I'm not canceling it. I doubt it's a 5/10 game, more like 7-9/10.. We'll see then..

[Nameless]

I have the feeling that once you get acclimated to the control scheme and motion control the game will be a great experience...

I'm still on the fence, because no multiplayer makes me question the replay value so I'm tempted to rent this title. If they release a demo prior to game release and I like the gameplay I will purchase the title on day one.

I just have to be somewhat selective with game purchases, because I own both consoles and there's numerous AAA titles being released this fall.

Its good times when you have to debate purchase of a title like Lair, because there's so many good games being released.

Honestly, it would have been better for Lair if they could have released the game in June or July during the game drought.

[Segitz]

Don't judge an entire game on 5 mins of playtime...

I checked out a bunch of sites with impressions from like the first half of the game--and there all in agreement that's its one of PS3's biggest games...

Not that much longer now--but I think it will surpass God of War in more than a few ways--acting for one.

Back on topic--Lair looks awesome...biggest draw distance I've ever seen in a game--can't wait to try out the motion controls...

Freakin-newbs--"WAaaahha, I like to use the analog, I don't like change..waaah" lol

Warhawk/Lair are gonna change the way flight games are made on PS3!

I don't do that, but since this is not exactly my genre I wasn't sure at all if I'd get it or not. And I really don't think, I'll buy it full price at all. And the other game sites (like Eurogamers et al) played exactly the same demo I did, and I myself (who will spend the money after all) did not find the demo too good (graphically it was good, but the controls were very uninteresting imho)


Yes, I can see people don't wanting to play with the motion sensor (which kills the Wii for them). I mean, it is rather different to the controls of old. My brother for example still plays GT4 with the D-Pad (and is rather good, we did the S-Lincences without the wheel on 50-50 bronze-silver) because he does not like the analogue sticks. I can't imagine giving him the PS3 pad to play Lair motion sensed (I will force him though^^)

But giving it a low score because of that is rather harsh (same with the early Wii scores on Gamespot for example). If they cannot manage to play it this way, so be it, but change is bound to come. There'll surely come many new games, which don't let you choose to play analogue.


But, as I said before, not many games can come up with something as cool as Dragons (a GTA in the middleages would be cool though^^)

[Fazares]

are these the people that never played motorstorm with motion sensing turned on....?
welcome chang3....

[ddaryl]

I'm defintely not buying this on day #1. All the gameplay videos I saw didn't show me much of a game...

I'll wait and here what the consensus is for the rest of ya's and then decide.

[curryking1]

No one rents games anymore eh? Or try it at a friends house? You could get a nice little play yourself to see how it is you know, you are buying it you know lol, not that taking a few people's opinions off here is not a good thing lol :P

[Segitz]

Problem is, most of my local rental stores don't carry PS3 stuff yet (not even Blu Ray). YES, this sucks!

And playing at a mates house? Hm, I doubt, Lair will run on either PS2 or Wii (maybe a PC^^), because these are the only consoles my mates have (my bro has a GC which he never plays)... So this again kills off playing the game somewhere else... (problem is, if this game gets a USK18 rating, then shipping rental, or whatever you wanna call is, is a bit problematic AND more expensive)


I think, I will get this game anyhow. I mean, if I don't like it, I could still sell it afterwards.

[Fats]

Apparently, and I'm not even going to link the source because I personally don't find it that reputable, but Lair has received a whopping 9/10 from both Edge and Gamezone. If it has indeed received a 9 from Edge, then it's a day one purchase for me.

Take it with a grain of salt though as these scores have been "leaked". :shrug:

[OmniCloud]

Apparently, and I'm not even going to link the source because I personally don't find it that reputable, but Lair has received a whopping 9/10 from both Edge and Gamezone. If it has indeed received a 9 from Edge, then it's a day one purchase for me.

Take it with a grain of salt though as these scores have been "leaked". :shrug:Cool...reviews should be coming soon...

Nice leak Fats

[chartwel]

Apparently, and I'm not even going to link the source because I personally don't find it that reputable, but Lair has received a whopping 9/10 from both Edge and Gamezone. If it has indeed received a 9 from Edge, then it's a day one purchase for me.

Take it with a grain of salt though as these scores have been "leaked". :shrug:

the EGM ones were leaked too. i wouldnt be surprised if they were all around like this though, as clearly this game was always going to be a love it or hate it type game.

[VG Aficionado]

9 from Edge? That would be amazing if true.

[NeoPlayStation]

EGM Review (scan):

[9thPower]

Wow... soooo professional, starting an article with "what a drag".... I rest my case... :whip:

[curryking1]

Que? What's wrong with that?

[cliffbo]

i've had my reservations about this game for a while now... i've got to say it's not a game i will be getting. no doubt though, even if it isn't brilliant, CPi will get his pound of flesh here... and whose to say he doesn't deserve it. lets be honest if it disappoints eh? HS demo was a big disappointment and i'm really getting bad vibes about Lair... hope i'm wrong, i really do

[Sephiroth_VII]

In EDGE I trust... Most of the time anyway, so if they give it 9, I'll definitely get it day 1.

EDIT: EGM: We want analog sticks, waaah!!! :cry2:

[cliffbo]

In EDGE I trust... Most of the time anyway, so if they give it 9, I'll definitely get it day 1.

EDIT: EGM: We want analog sticks, waaah!!! :cry2:

ye, ye, i'm not saying 'for sure' here, i've just got this gut feeling... i can't see where the depth is going to come from, it seems limitted somehow. i can see a few pointless missions thrown in to stretch the playing times.

[Raitei]

is that harry potter in the background ? :P

[masteratt]

HS disspointed some people (not me but I didn't think it was AMAZING), Lair obviously sucks (what a surprise...not saying that sarcastically)..Looks like Sony isn't delivering.

Uncharted- It's all upto you :salute:

[curryking1]

Lol! I saw Voldemort there now I've noticed it hahaha, good call :P

Great last book btw. Started off pretty poorly though, but overall awesome :):):)

I personally never looked at HS or Lair as going to blow everything away. Both at the beginning I thought they were going to be really big hitters, Lair actually more so than HS at the very first times we saw them circa E3 05 or whatever. After I saw Lair's gameplay I started to have some serious doubts about it. It just looked waaaaay too clunky to me, even if the graphics are pretty awesome. HS I always looked at as like..... the magnitude of Prince of Persia, no more, no less. It's cool, but it's not that cool.

To me, it's like people expecting immediate AAA accepting of titles like Bioshock (although I think this will be a very cool game and deserve it although I don't see the mass appeal hitting) or Mass Effect or Too Human. Similarly with HS or Lair, I'm just not seeing them being great powerhouse games. I think they'll push some PS3 sales, but I see neither being things that are truly big. Just my gut feeling, I don't have really high hopes for either. I think they'll sell decent, but nothing iconic of the Playstation you know? Kind of like.. MediEvil... or Jet Moto.. or stuff like that.

But remember masteratt, those titles are third party, and newbie third parties with Sony. :P

I'm still sticking to my juggernauts of MGS4, GTA IV, FF XIII, FF VS XIII, GT5/P and KZ2 for my personal enjoyment. Maybe supplement that with some R&C, Uncharted, an ICO game, a future Kingdom Hearts and maybe even Getaway or Eight Days if they seem worthy ;)

[Gummy]

HS disspointed some people (not me but I didn't think it was AMAZING), Lair obviously sucks (what a surprise...not saying that sarcastically)..Looks like Sony isn't delivering.

Uncharted- It's all upto you :salute:

I agree, HS was pretty damn good.
I was mad when it cut me off, I wanted more. :matrix:


Naughty Dog all the way, hah!

[cliffbo]

HS disspointed some people (not me but I didn't think it was AMAZING), Lair obviously sucks (what a surprise...not saying that sarcastically)..Looks like Sony isn't delivering.

Uncharted- It's all upto you :salute:

Sony has nothing to do with this. i'm really picky about which games i pick up, but obviously others will be very happy with their purchase :)

[masteratt]

Sony has nothing to do with this.
I'm sorry I was under the impression that PS3 is Sony's console and that they signed and picked the games to hype :p

Obviously some people will like it and some won't but these are supposed to be THE games on the PS3 to have.

[Shogun042]

you forgot about SOCOM (greatest game ever made).

[curryking1]

O ya! And SOCOM, love that game :)

[cliffbo]

I'm sorry I was under the impression that PS3 is Sony's console and that they signed and picked the games to hype :p

Obviously some people will like it and some won't but these are supposed to be THE games on the PS3 to have.

Sony can only hope that these companies deliver... and no doubt some people will think they live up to the hype. all i'm saying about the HS demo is that it was way too small and as far as Lair is concerned, i have reservations. for all i know, it might blow me away, but even if it doesn't it will probably be a great game for others. i absolutely detest FPS, but millions of people love them. it's RAC and Drake for me... and obviously MGS!

[masteratt]

I wasn't referring to you specifically.

I meant the general take on these two games.
In terms of selling the PS3- They didn't deliver.

[cliffbo]

I wasn't referring to you specifically.

I meant the general take on these two games.
In terms of selling the PS3- They didn't deliver.

you can't apply past tense here Masteratt... 'it looks like they may not deliver' is acceptable though :) we could be wrong though

[masteratt]

Let's hope so.

[curryking1]

Nah I think we're right :P

[cliffbo]

Let's hope so.

what's your concerns about Lair?

[masteratt]

lol suxorz.

If Uncharted goes down the drain too =-o

What will we play with out PS3s? lol
Maybe only MGS4 will be enough :p :cloud9:

what's your concerns about Lair?
I was concerned about it to begin with and the mediocre score confirmed it.
I'll definately give it a go to see if I like it but I don't think I'll enjoy past a rent.

To be honest I am a bit frustrated with PS3s lack of games and was looking forward to Lair beating my expectations but it didn't.
So now there is MORE waiting.

[supagohan]

Personally me no thinky that Lair will be that great....the dragon nerd in me wants it to but the sensible nerd is telling me otherwise.

[cliffbo]

lol suxorz.

If Uncharted goes down the drain too =-o

What will we play with out PS3s? lol
Maybe only MGS4 will be enough :p :cloud9:

LOL...er...mmm.... SuperStardust?

[9thPower]

Que? What's wrong with that?

:lick:

*runs* :rotate:

Edit: a moment of madness....

[masteratt]

Don't mean to sound trolly- But what's the next biggest game on PS3?

I'm wondering how long I have to wait.

[curryking1]

GTA IV is mine, slated for October 16th.

[Segitz]

GTA4 and MGS4 will be my games (GT5P being a "smaller" game)

Maybe Uncharted (I like such games, if they play well) and well... I dunno

[hybridofsteel]

Don't mean to sound trolly- But what's the next biggest game on PS3?

I'm wondering how long I have to wait.

Warhawk followed by Stranglehold.

[masteratt]

Warhawk is so fucking awesome- there is no way THAT'S going to be a let down.

Out in August still?

[Fazares]

gt5p....lbp...hs.....minna no golf 5....uncharted..... ratchet and clank....

[AC!D]

Did i miss something whats wrong with Lair?
Sorry but im to lazy to read back.

[OmniCloud]

Did i miss something whats wrong with Lair?
Sorry but im to lazy to read back.It got a bad review and people are worried it will suck...lol

Warhawk/Lair/Uncharted/R&C/Haze/Unreal/GTA4/Burnout/PSN titles (Everyday Shooter, Echochrome) and a possibly the beginning of LBP!

Come' now fellas...there will be SOMETHING for you to play on PS3 this year, if not then perhaps another console suit you--cuz that's more than enough gaming for me...and that's just 07 baby;)

btw-I think Lair has already lived up to the hype in one aspect. It's a game to show off how amazing your PS3 looks--that's worth a purchase for many people right there...

And fellas--did any of you goto gamevideos.com or gametrailers and see the HS builds that's being shown? OMG--how could any1 doubt this game. play mechanics are freakin' awesome, animations are top notch and the game will probably win awards for the cutscenes and story!!!

U guys are some tough critics:shifty:

[Shadow Voa]

Not purchasing or renting this, my friend is picking it up on day one or two and I'll be down at his place anyway. I'll check it out then but so far my reservations about HS, Lair, Warhawk (small exception there) have been confirmed it seems.

Ok, Uncharted and White Knight Story... youve still got my attention, show me something worth purchasing that isnt multiplatform!!

[Red_Eyes]

So a good review (9 from Play magazine) and an average review (5/6 from EGM).

I trust Play magazine.

[Ballygowan]

Personally, I don't trust Play Magazine. What with them being totally affiliated with the Playstation only, so, I'm going to sit tight and wait for other reviews.

[VG Aficionado]

Play magazine is multiplatform. It's not PSM or OPM.

[Ballygowan]

Ah, I was speaking of this.

h t t p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_(magazine)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I think I just lost all respect for EGM. I love this game, can't wait to get it. seriously, fives and sixes? That's a low blow. But then numerical game scores are pretentious anyway...

[Coded-Dude]

PLAY - "The voice of PlayStation Gaming for over a Decade"

[VG Aficionado]

I had been told Play magazine covered all platforms. I have no idea if it's true or not :shrug:

We'll see what most multiplatform magazines say about Lair. EGM = Ziff Davis Group = 1crap...

[OmniCloud]

So a good review (9 from Play magazine) and an average review (5/6 from EGM).

I trust Play magazine.Don't bother, just wait until all the reviews are out to make a final judgment...

I dunno what the hell everyone else is gonna be playing, but my PS3 is definitely getting all the attention this year! I will buy out some time for Mario galaxy/Smash brothers tho...

I really don't understand the complaints about HS (other than being too short) The game looks amazing, for a change, 1up agrees with me...The boss cut-scene rivals MGS--I kid you not...Honestly, what the hell IS impressive nowadays guys?

http://www.gamevideos.com/

[Shadow Voa]

^ Resident Evil 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII.

[curryking1]

Drugs Omni. Only drugs are impressive these days. No drugs, no sale.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Don't bother, just wait until all the reviews are out to make a final judgment...

I dunno what the hell everyone else is gonna be playing, but my PS3 is definitely getting all the attention this year! I will buy out some time for Mario galaxy/Smash brothers tho...

I really don't understand the complaints about HS (other than being too short) The game looks amazing, for a change, 1up agrees with me...The boss cut-scene rivals MGS--I kid you not...Honestly, what the hell IS impressive nowadays guys?

http://www.gamevideos.com/

Omni you gotta understand that some people just....are inferior.

[OmniCloud]

LMAO:lol:@Lali & Curry

well at least ShadowVoa showed that he just has specific preferences and that he's a graphics whore;) j/k

RE5 trailer was like OMG tho=-o
That and Killzone are 08 stuff--can't worry bout that now.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

ALL MEN ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL. That is the Spartan way. ;)

[OmniCloud]

ALL MEN ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL. That is the Spartan way. ;)Agreed...lol

btw-just watched a video of lair and even if that get's boring after 3 or 4 hours--there's no WAAY Lair is not gonna be in my collection.

The freakin draw distance is amazing, I can just fly around for hours without doing anything admiring the atmosphere..

Really-where is your imagination people?

Some guys on 1up said they were having fun in HS just bout doing after touch with weapons/items and hitting people in the groin/ass with them...

Even if Lair is nothing more than flOw with awesome graphics, it's fun gameplay for many many people...

Or am I the only one who's having this much fun with motion/sensing gaming?:shifty:

[julps31]

I had been told Play magazine covered all platforms. I have no idea if it's true or not :shrug:

We'll see what most multiplatform magazines say about Lair. EGM = Ziff Davis Group = 1crap...I don't know. I got a play magazine a year or two ago and its definantly multi-platform. But i'm guessing theres a Play magazine in the UK thats just Playstation gaming. While theres another one (not affiliated) in other teritories that covers multi-plaform games.

[curryking1]

Hey! My imagination just happened to conflict with the Lair developers imagination about what a dragon should be doing and stuff like that. And I don't like the gameplay... Besides, I didn't buy GTA SA or 'buy' Oblivion to go sightseeing even if it offered that lol. It'd be cool but I wouldn't have really played them then lol.

You know, where's your imagination, OmniCloud, look at that name! NO IMAGINATION! WUT! BEAT THAT! XD

[dnpmakkah]

Man these guys must of really disliked the controls/gameplay to give it such a low score. We should have received a demo of this game. I really want to see what all the fuss is about.

[OmniCloud]

Hey! My imagination just happened to conflict with the Lair developers imagination about what a dragon should be doing and stuff like that. And I don't like the gameplay... Besides, I didn't buy GTA SA or 'buy' Oblivion to go sightseeing even if it offered that lol. It'd be cool but I wouldn't have really played them then lol.

You know, where's your imagination, OmniCloud, look at that name! NO IMAGINATION! WUT! BEAT THAT! XDLMAO!!! Ahh...but you see, OmniCloud is indeed unique...

U sir, probably assumed that OmniCloud is a simply salute to the great FF7 and it's hero. But in fact, Omni--is a prefix that means all powerful therefore, an all powerful Cloud is the domain of Jehovah, or God...

And it is him and only him that resides in the OmniCloud or (all the clouds), waiting to judge us pathetic humans...

See--I'm more crazy than you gave me credit for;)

[Junox50]

Everyone seemed to be liking it one minute. Now they hate it? People are strange.

[LiquidEagle]

I think I just lost all respect for EGM. I love this game, can't wait to get it. seriously, fives and sixes? That's a low blow. But then numerical game scores are pretentious anyway...

I lost all respect for EGM in 2001 when they gave Halo perfect 10s and put it above MGS2, and then they lost even that shred of credibility they had left when they gave Metroid Prime perfect 10s. BLECH!!

[Segitz]

I lost all respect for EGM in 2001 when they gave Halo perfect 10s and put it above MGS2, and then they lost even that shred of credibility they had left when they gave Metroid Prime perfect 10s. BLECH!!

I am completely with you on that and I add Gamespot to the list, giving PDZ a 9 and RFOM a 7.9 (or so)...

[ddaryl]

Agreed...lol

btw-just watched a video of lair and even if that get's boring after 3 or 4 hours--there's no WAAY Lair is not gonna be in my collection.

The freakin draw distance is amazing, I can just fly around for hours without doing anything admiring the atmosphere..

Really-where is your imagination people?

Some guys on 1up said they were having fun in HS just bout doing after touch with weapons/items and hitting people in the groin/ass with them...

Even if Lair is nothing more than flOw with awesome graphics, it's fun gameplay for many many people...

Or am I the only one who's having this much fun with motion/sensing gaming?:shifty:



Graphics are great but gameplay is what I want. So draw distance does little for me besides add atmosphere. Atmosphere without gameplay is useless. Gameplay without depth gets boring and repetitive. Repetitive is not worth $60 for me. Heck I don't buy any game for the sake of trying it. $60 is good money, and I expect a lot for $60. Lair simply must deliver an engaging game that keeps me interested past the 1st couple of levels/challenges.

I am still very interesting in hearing in depth impressions from people about Lair, and I am still considering a game I will purchase, but if the gameplay is shallow, and the depth is missing I just have to pass, and maybe pick it up in a bargain bin down the line.

Just an opinion.

[Passive]

hmmm can i recite a loved quote of mine?

Warning: If you are reading this then this warning is for you. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. Don't you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all that claim it? Do you read everything you're supposed to read? Do you think every thing you're supposed to think? Buy what you're told to want? Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex. Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Quit your job. Start a fight. Prove you're alive. If you don't claim your humanity you will become a statistic. You have been warned - Tyler Durden

Why is it that most of you are now owrried about a game you haven't played simply based on someone elses opinion? 90% of the people in the thread were looking forward to Lair and now after a few reviews you are doubting it and saying its a bargin bin buy? or a rent? what the F*uck guys? cant you make decisions on your own? i bet if none of you played the Warhawk beta and you read bad reviews on it you would shun it like this. the only games you wouldnt do it to are series games like MGS or RE. Seriously think for yourselves for once? the games looks great, from what i could tell the score is good, the atmosphere look amazing, story sounds reasonably deep. and from what ive *seen* the gameplay looks good, i have no idea how the dragons fly but i'll give it a whirl because i was looking forward to this game like all of you were. but unlike some my opinion and interest wasn't changed based on someone elses review.

think for yourselves for a change.

/2 cent rant/

[Shogun042]

amen.

[curryking1]

what the F*uck guys? cant you make decisions on your own?

Hey! I've always been critical of Lair's gameplay from what I saw from vids, I came up with that myself. Humph!

And secondly, reviews are, for most of us, our first impressions of and even contact with the final game, so it's not entirely bad to take a few reviews into consideration. Trying it out is best but reviews can serve as a good early warning system and sometimes be a good preview of quality.

P.S. I ain't talking about using these for fuel fanboy wars, I'm just saying I often use reviews to help me choose what games to buy. Honestly, I would never have played Dark Cloud or Dark Cloud 2 if I didn't read reviews. I wouldn't even have played MGS2 or been introduced to the MGS universe without reviews. They have good uses for the normal games buyer person.

I watch some gameplay vids of games to check a little preview of the gameplay, I check out those point form forum posts for features of games and I read a bunch of reviews sometimes for a preview of the whole package. It's information that I choose to use and I don't see anything wrong with that. Sure, maybe I'm slightly influenced by the stuff I read and the impression I get from what I read, but honestly I don't have time to try out every game in the world you know? I use it to the best of my abilities to find the games I most want to play, nothing more. Is that being a tool? I don't think so. Don't be so quick to point the gun.

[section]

Well it's true people here and everywhere else need to test different things themselves to make judgements, otherwise it would be blind idiocy and worshipping of the gaming genre/console/system/car/type of sex.

But I think the concensus here is that this title, in some occasions, has been and probably will be reviewed in somewhat too harsh a way, blaming the game for few things specific just because of the 6axis controller.

And that sort of quick judgement doesn't sound fair to me, not the least bit. In EGM's case, without reading the actual review, it sounds like the players haven't ever used 6axis controls before. If they have they would like to steer dragons in a different way.

Now it may be that it was Sony's wish for Factor 5 to implement only 6axis controls for flying and additional movement. But I can't believe it's really that impossible to get good grip of the overall movement and the basic principal controls shouldn't be that flawed in a shipped title as it sounds according to EGM review.

So gamers should hate Wii because it forces players to use certain controls? Wiimote has got a lot more intricate and subtle motion sensor controls but 6axis can't be so seriously flawed you can't get the steering right in a flight title.

But I'll judge it myself, day one purchase for me.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well it's true people here and everywhere else need to test different things themselves to make judgements, otherwise it would be blind idiocy and worshipping of the gaming genre/console/system/car/type of sex.

But I think the concensus here is that this title, in some occasions, has been and probably will be reviewed in somewhat too harsh a way, blaming the game for few things specific just because of the 6axis controller.

And that sort of quick judgement doesn't sound fair to me, not the least bit. In EGM's case, without reading the actual review, it sounds like the players haven't ever used 6axis controls before. If they have they would like to steer dragons in a different way.

Now it may be that it was Sony's wish for Factor 5 to implement only 6axis controls for flying and additional movement. But I can't believe it's really that impossible to get good grip of the overall movement and the basic principal controls shouldn't be that flawed in a shipped title as it sounds according to EGM review.

So gamers should hate Wii because it forces players to use certain controls? Wiimote has got a lot more intricate and subtle motion sensor controls but 6axis can't be so seriously flawed you can't get the steering right in a flight title.

But I'll judge it myself, day one purchase for me.

No, everything I've heard about Sony as a publishing house refutes the very thought of that. Everyone goes on about how they give designers their creative freedom, so I'm sure it was all Factor 5's decision.

[section]

OK, well so it was F5's own decision and you could think they were happy with what they implemented. Case closed :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

And they do not shut up about how excited they were/are to have implemented the motion controls because the analog stick was a pain in the ass to get the full range of motion in flight.

[AC!D]

Have you guys learnt nothing in this so called next gen.
Journalists views have become so erratic that it does not help to take one review to dissuade you from said game.
I mean take a look at resistance fall of man it got a 9 from IGN a 6 from Eurogamer an 7.9 from gamespot. Talk about Erratic.

I mean seriously do yourselves a favour and rather gauge the industry average review for a game before you judge it.
IGN does a industry review next to its own review and allows it's readers to give reviews and averages that.

Secondly rather ask the guys who went to E3 on this forum Lali, Wounding, Frosty, Liquid if they had a chance to play it and what their impressions were.

Let me tell you how ficle a review can be. The guy who has been previewing Lair for the last 6 months on Kotaku with numerous plays hated the game until E3 where he said finally the controls feel good after you get used to them and Lair has depth and strategyto it in terms of varied mission structure and gameplay to it something he was worried about before.

Maybe The guys from EGM just don't like flying games or maybe they are fat slobs who can't be arsed to move their hands around and hate on the Wii too.

Don't kill the game before it's been released or before you have even played a demo i.e CHILL OUT GUYS! give the game a chance.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

A Lair demo tomorrow would be most wise and auspicious.

[Raitei]

apparently, there wont be a demo til after release.

its in an IGN lair article

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well that's stupid. Get one of the damn E3 levels and put it on the store. How hard is it, I really wonder. If you're gonna finish the damn game, putting a demo out after the game has released seems backwards doesn't it?

[VG Aficionado]

Possibly because a demo at this point wouldn't feature the latest build, like Heavenly Sword.

[curryking1]

Well that's stupid. Get one of the damn E3 levels and put it on the store. How hard is it, I really wonder. If you're gonna finish the damn game, putting a demo out after the game has released seems backwards doesn't it?

It's not totally backwards, it'd still be giving people the opportunity to play it who haven't already tried it out and still promote the game. It'd lose the effect of letting people try it before the game comes out, but I don't think it'd be that much of a difference I guess. It'll still be there to try is all I'm saying I guess, I might try the demo out after the game releases myself.

[Raitei]

Lair is delayed


Playstation Blog
Wow, even I didn’t see this one coming! Due to an extra step in QA testing to enhance the community features in the game, the release of LAIR, originally set for August 14th, has changed to September 4, 2007. Natural challenges that arose while finalizing the offline game to include key online features - such as leaderboards and medal systems - have led to the difficult choice of pushing back the release date. We appreciate everyone’s excitement and patience for the game and look forward to its release on September 4.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

SONOFABITCH!!!

Goddammit, man. I was really looking forward to this.

[curryking1]

I'm imagining Lali is pissed right now lol.

Edit - O damn he got there b4 me lol.

[GTAce]

September 4
Damn i was close with my europe launch date...

[Red_Eyes]

Lair delayed better equal control issues resolved.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Lair delayed better equal control issues resolved.

Dude, I played it, it works fine. Even great. I don't know what EGM's problem was.

[AC!D]

Damn all these games i want are getting released around September, October and November this is really gonna get expensive!

Lair, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet, GTA, GT5 prologue, Unreal, Haze, Uncharted, COD4, Folksoul, Timeshift, Jericho, MOH, Rock Band, Kane and Lynch, Fifa, Pro Evo soccer and Mercenaries 2 are just the games i want on PS3.

Then i want Mass Effect and Bioshock on another i mean seriously why don'y they space this shit out!!!!!!!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I know! I was hoping to space time between Lair and Heavenly Sword in September but I'm pretty sure they come out on the same damn day now. Fuck!

[Shogun042]

dammit. oh well warhawk at the end of the month, hopefully whatever 'issues' there were will be resolved.

fear not, Heavenly Sword is coming out Sept 12, so it'll have some space.

i guess Warhawk should be the one to set the tone for this holiday season, because hell if they released just the beta minus the crashes i'd buy it for $60.

/off topic

anyways maybe they could put out a demo during the wait?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

That's what they need to do man. This is ridiculous. Gimme something to hold me over for the next goddamn month.

THIS IS NOT GANGSTER, FACTOR 5. THIS IS VERY NOT GANGSTER.

[Nameless]

Damn all these games i want are getting released around September, October and November this is really gonna get expensive!

Lair, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet, GTA, GT5 prologue, Unreal, Haze, Uncharted, COD4, Folksoul, Timeshift, Jericho, MOH, Rock Band, Kane and Lynch, Fifa, Pro Evo soccer and Mercenaries 2 are just the games i want on PS3.

Then i want Mass Effect and Bioshock on another i mean seriously why don'y they space this shit out!!!!!!!

I share the same concern...
I own both consoles and there's a lot of games being released in a short period of time. I would not be surprised if some smart publishers manage to delay their games if they feel the game will get lost in the mix...

There's already wispers that Uncharted may be delayed until 2008...

[Shogun042]

^ highly doubt that about uncharted. as far as a shitton of games coming, i think part of the reason UT3 is PS3 exclusive this fiscal year is because Halo is going to steamroll all but CoD4 on the 360 side as far as FPS games go.

anyways back on topic, Lair delayed isn't a huge deal. Madden comes out the 14th so that'll hold me over.

[mokmok]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=176336
A long thread from GAF regarding framerate issues with a "preview" build...

[Kartoffelkind]

i think part of the reason UT3 is PS3 exclusive this fiscal year is because Halo is going to steamroll all but CoD4 on the 360 side as far as FPS games go.

This is the reason y Haze (x360) is delayed...the reason for UT3 to be delayed ist because of troubles between MS's XBL and Epics online/mod/map-plans.
There are no problems with the PSN..Epic is able to allow mods and maps created @pc to be played on ur ps3...but MS doesnt want to share this plans...its an old problem with MS and i heard it just with the first UT2k7-Techdemo for the Ps3 (when it was exklusive for Ps3).

[LaLiLuLeLo]

^ highly doubt that about uncharted. as far as a shitton of games coming, i think part of the reason UT3 is PS3 exclusive this fiscal year is because Halo is going to steamroll all but CoD4 on the 360 side as far as FPS games go.

anyways back on topic, Lair delayed isn't a huge deal. Madden comes out the 14th so that'll hold me over.

WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE???

FUCK THE FUCKING FOOTBALL GAME!!!

(j/k btw)

[section]

Man, only wondering if they had plan B in mind: If the reviewers hate motion sensor controls so much enable dual analogs in the last minute :P

Has the GAF thread revealed any further info? Because don't want to spend hours there reading atm.

[lips]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=176336
A long thread from GAF regarding framerate issues with a "preview" build...

lol many peeps have been saying only copies out there are from an earlier build. I just hope they have ironed it all out. Controls are supposed to be fantastic, according to link. Thats the important part. All I can say it the 128 bit color will hopefully really really impress to keep us all cheering in the stages.

[mokmok]

^Apparently the original post is from a games journalist who got a preview build of the game - he even posted an imaged on the disc!

He says the framerate is very rarely 30fps and often a LOT less. He also complains about the color palate and over use of HDR lighting. On the upside he had no problems with the motion control!

[hybridofsteel]

It seems the game could use a bit more polishing. We'll see how the final product works out in a couple weeks.

[Raitei]

i think Lali may go out and kill someone....

It's ok man....


Im going to be so broke come the end of september

[VG Aficionado]

The last three months of the year are going to rock, but until then... :-/

This is the reason y Haze (x360) is delayedNot at all. Haze is being primarily developed on the PS3, which is why it'll be ready first on it.

...the reason for UT3 to be delayed ist because of troubles between MS's XBL and Epics online/mod/map-plans.And because it didn't start development on the 360 until more recently.

[yankeefan06]

I just that report on IGN about the delay. I would rather wait and have a polished game then have it rushed and be horrible.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

i think Lali may go out and kill someone....

It's ok man....


Im going to be so broke come the end of september

THE WILL PAY FOR THIS TRANSGRESSION!

[LiquidEagle]

Delay? Well that sucks.

[Siraris]

There's a really good interview with Julian Eggbrecht on the latest episode of the Full Moon podcast from Insomniac. He talks a lot about the design of the game and how it all came together, how the framerate was really bad up until literally a few weeks ago (it's fixed in the final build and the review copies framerate was still poor), his experience with PS3, and comments on the EGM review.

Just to paraphrase for those who don't want to listen, he said that he is having a followup "battle" with Crispin from EGM (because EGM felt so bad for the review scores). He also went on to say that they totally expected this response, because Factor 5 felt that the Sixaxis control scheme was going to alienate some hardcore gamers (EGM's major gripe with the game), but he talks more earlier about how the game did not control as well with the analogue sticks not only in actual translation into the game, but also just in the emotional connection of actually feeling like you are flying the dragon.

Great listen for the interview (which is very candid and honest) as well as a bunch of new info on Ratchet and Clank Future.

http://insomniacgames.com/podcast/podcast.php

[makeitlookreal]

In my experience with my PS3 the one thing I do not care for is motion control. I did not like it in the Motorstorm demo, Super Rub A Dub, and I don't like having to use it in Resistance Fall of Man to shake off Chimera. There is nothing wrong with it and it works "ok." But so far I feel much more comfortable using the ordinary controls.

[Viper]

In my experience with my PS3 the one thing I do not care for is motion control. I did not like it in the Motorstorm demo, Super Rub A Dub, and I don't like having to use it in Resistance Fall of Man to shake off Chimera. There is nothing wrong with it and it works "ok." But so far I feel much more comfortable using the ordinary controls.

This is kinda natural to some degree.

Many people felt more comfortable with D-pads than analog when it was introduced. You don't hear anymore problems with it now though.

[VG Aficionado]

I wouldn't be able to go back to digital only control. I already enjoy motion sensing to the extent I've been able to use it so far, and I'm sure there's a lot more to see about it. It's certainly the future of gaming and I want more games to take advantage of it. I wouldn't want to go back to analog control only if motion sensing is properly implemented, which could very well be the case with Lair.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

This is kinda natural to some degree.

Many people felt more comfortable with D-pads than analog when it was introduced. You don't hear anymore problems with it now though.

Yeah, it's new, so it has its growing pains. Change syndrome is in full effect until (1) Developers start using it consistently well and (2) our bodies get accustomed to using it.

[lips]

Isn't this the first title from Factor 5 for a Playstation? I wonder what future titles they have in store.

[curryking1]

Better be a Star Wars flight game! I want to see how that'd look on the PS3 :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Better be a Star Wars flight game! I want to see how that'd look on the PS3 :)

Uh...good.

I'm really content without flying another X-wing. And Factor 5 was so happy to not do another one I can't help but understand.

I mean, yeah it gets prettier and prettier but how many times do I have to fight on hoth, or blow up the deathstar?

[curryking1]

I've honestly done it.. never.

So it'd be a first for me :)

[lips]

lol, yeah it would look good!

I don't really expect it either, what with force unleashed from lucas own dev, you know...

[CreativeWriter]

So, I'm really curious about the development of this game. I had two concerns watching the preview vids: missing shadows on land NPCs and camera jerkiness (I would imagine the camera should follow the dragon as it swoops about, rather than staying centered--that "spiral dive" the dragon keeps doing also looks too mechanical). It'd be nice to see what reviewers say about this, but with the QA delay we can't trust those preview-build EGM comments... Hmm... I still don't know what to think about this game.

[Coded-Dude]

Wow, even I didn’t see this one coming! Due to an extra step in QA testing to enhance the community features in the game, the release of LAIR, originally set for August 14th, has changed to September 4, 2007. Natural challenges that arose while finalizing the offline game to include key online features - such as leaderboards and medal systems - have led to the difficult choice of pushing back the release date. We appreciate everyone’s excitement and patience for the game and look forward to its release on September 4.

/cancels pre-order, drops game rating a point, mails bomb to lying ass PR reps.

[BruceWayneIII]

/cancels pre-order, drops game rating a point, mails bomb to lying ass PR reps.

No one lied. Everyone - including Factor 5 and Sony - expected the last build to be the final and planned the launch around that. Until the unexpected happened: trouble with some part of the game.

Please pay attention to the word 'unexpected' - can't claim that people lied, right? That would imply that they already knew about the 'unexpected' flaws. :)

[Fazares]

i m glad minna no golf 5 wasnt delayed as well...lol...

[Rockmond]

Play Magazine were the only one who played the gold version of Lair

We (Play) received the same review copy that I assume all the other mags did, which had optimized frame rates in the earlier missions, but poor frame rates in the last few missions and several bugs. We contacted Factor 5 and asked for all known issues and Julian himself replied with a detailed list, promising that the later levels were being optimized for frame rates, the bugs were being fixed, and that one aspect of the control would be improved. They said they would have a gold master candidate ready by our ship date, so I wrote the review on the assumptions that their promises would be kept, got the gold master candidate right before we went to press, and played that version for a few hours to confirm that they had addressed the issues. That gold master candidate was dated roughly a month ago, and as far as I know represents the game's final optimization.

I'm not sure what version the OP played—ours were never labeled "Preview Code", but a print mag's Review Code is sometimes a web site's Preview Code. Our last-received version of the game does not run at a rock-solid 30 fps, but I did not consider the frame rate problems to be an issue at all. I don't mind a few frame rate dips into the 20's here and there, if it's for the purpose of making an otherwise amazing looking game. I'm certainly not as sensitive to frame rate issues as the OP, but I don't think the average game enthusiast is either.

Just something to point out to the people who want to hate on Lair here—Sony and Factor 5 went all out to make sure the print mags got review copies as early as possible and frequent updates so that they could have reviews out before the game's release (which was at that point supposed to be August 8th, I think). Companies do NOT do that when they don't have a lot of faith in their games, so clearly both Factor 5 and Sony thought they had a critical hit on their hands, and any suggestion that they're trying to bury it or "send it out to die" is absurd. And having written the 9 review, I (obviously) agree.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=176336&page=12

[VG Aficionado]

What? Lair doesn't suck? No way! :pinky:

[wotter]

Faith restored, can't wait!

[Shogun042]

later on J. Stevenson from Insomniac says how he really enjoys the game.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

See how much fools wanna listen to me!
Hmph!

[OmniCloud]

See how much fools wanna listen to me!
Hmph!:lol:

[Segitz]

I never said anything different, though Lair still is not on my "going to buy list" and isn't preordered yet (my favourite store STILL hasn't updated), but if the reviews say, the game is long (at least 15hrs, hopefully more) and the controls are fun (not frustrating (not because of motion sensing, but I hate bad controlling games) and easy to pick up) I am sure to get it at full (import) price. This will set me back ~45-50€ in Germany incl both shipping and taxes.


EGM + 1UP were always a red veil for me. First, their internet page is SLOW as hell (worse than GS imho) and second, I really don't like their "looks" (EGM reads meh and 1UP is even worse, you can't find shit)


Hopefully the demo will come pre-release though. AND, I hope the EU version is done ASAP (hopefully a WW release, but I doubt it).

[LaLiLuLeLo]

At this point, with the US version pushed to the first week of september I think the different territories' releases are just weeks apart, which is almost what qualifies as 'world wide launch' these days..

[NeoPlayStation]

AT&T Blue Room Lair Special:

http://www.attblueroom.com/gaming/mediaplayer.php?pid=87593&item2=Exclusive%3A%20Lair%AE%20Pt%202
http://www.attblueroom.com/gaming/mediaplayer.php?pid=87364&item2=Exclusive%3A%20Lair%AE1
http://www.attblueroom.com/gaming/mediaplayer.php?pid=87641&item2=Exclusive%3A%20Lair%AE%20Pt.%203
http://www.attblueroom.com/gaming/mediaplayer.php?pid=87721&item2=Exclusive%3A%20Lair%AE%20Pt.%204

Sorry if already posted

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yay promotion and product placement. Rohn isn't gonna whip out an iPhone in the middle of a cutscene is he? :laugh:

Pretty cool, the woman, the host seems like she's just nodding her head like, 'yeah surrrre, cool, that's interesting.'

[AC!D]

I guess it would be way too optimistic to hope that 3 weeks is enough to implement rumble?

[VG Aficionado]

Who says it isn't implemented already? According to Codemasters, Colin McRae Dirt already has rumble implemented in case Sony releases a new controller. I wouldn't be surprised if more titles are just waiting for it to be released to enable rumble or touchsense features.

[AC!D]

Who says it isn't implemented already? According to Codemasters, Colin McRae Dirt already has rumble implemented in case Sony releases a new controller. I wouldn't be surprised if more titles are just waiting for it to be released to enable rumble or touchsense features.

I hope so cause rumble with dragons would be a better gaming experience for me.

[curryking1]

A bit offtopic....

Sorry for going back to Star Wars, but I would definitely guess a really awesome looking Star Wars flight game might be really great for some immediate and short term positive effects on the PS3's popularity. I mean... I'm sure it would get out there that the PS3 may be the only system with the Death Star (that maybe most of us have seen already a million times, but not me! :D) looking as good as only a next gen system could do it. It'd just look so cool! Fark I want to see it.... lol....

[AC!D]

A bit offtopic....

Sorry for going back to Star Wars, but I would definitely guess a really awesome looking Star Wars flight game might be really great for some immediate and short term positive effects on the PS3's popularity. I mean... I'm sure it would get out there that the PS3 may be the only system with the Death Star (that maybe most of us have seen already a million times, but not me! :D) looking as good as only a next gen system could do it. It'd just look so cool! Fark I want to see it.... lol....

I felt the same way when i heard Bethesda was making a star trek game on the 360 and it looked pretty but i nearly cried when i played the demo.

[LiquidEagle]

Now is Joystiq's queue to say that Factor 5 went in to fix things that EGM gave them a bad review for :laugh:

[yoshaw]

http://xs218.xs.to/xs218/07323/lair-boxart.jpg

[TrueVCU]

I... I Want...

[Nameless]

Nice box art...

[section]

I was always waiting for them to change the name :)

Lair an sich always reminds me of Dragon's Lair and Dirk the Daring. Not that it's bad but they could have come up with something even more cool name.

But to think of it, what other thing comes to mind of lair than dragons?

[satriales]

The LAIR Score - Part one (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/08/13/the-lair-score-part-one/)

The score for this game is unique also in that it truly presents a large scale symphony in three acts. Quite simply, to give you a sense of the scale of what we did, the music alone in this game would fill three complete movies! Thus was the task; to create a work richly melodic, deeply passionate and savagely primal, all to fit right in with the theme, tone and dramatic elements of LAIR.

I didn't quote the whole thing because if you follow the link they have a sample of the score you can listen to.

[Passive]

hmm the score isnt to bad, i usually dont go much on the brass dominance, but it does suit the game i think.

hopefuly there will be a few more string driven ques in the game. or at least a less booming "we are marching to war" type thing. I know the game is esentially a war game, but it should still have some calmer cut scene moments.

[TrueVCU]

Traditional orchestra is nice, but the more I watch Battlestar Galactica the more I come to respect the things that can be done with percussion.

[Carlos]

http://xs218.xs.to/xs218/07323/lair-boxart.jpg
Nice. I saw that on a Best buy ad for 59 dollars.

When is it coming out?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

September 4th.*







*As long as they don't wait until the last minute to completely shit a chicken and push it back even further.

[masteratt]

Patience Is A Virtue.

That should be Sony's PS3 campaign.

[curryking1]

That's the most boring campaign slogan ever lol! I mean it like wreaks boringness and whatnot lol :P

But ya, I agree, the shoe does fit at least today :)

[masteratt]

I was being satirical btw.

Now that i said that, my joke is not funny to me any more :(
damn.

[Siraris]

http://www.gameplayer.com.au/Home/FEATURES/FEATURE/tabid/1488/Default.aspx?CID=0475d4d9-8cdd-4471-9b4c-2993a5c1509f

Interview with Julian

[Fillibuster]

I don't know if this has been posted yet but I was checking gamerankings.com and there are three scores for Lair...

EGM-5.5/10
Gamepro-3.75/5
Play Magazine-9/10

Kind of all across the board.

[GTShotoKen]

Wow, this game looks to be the shining example of try before you buy.

[OmniCloud]

I always wait for IGN/Gameinformer/Gamespot

Reading through all three of those and comparing there pros and cons has never steered me wrong:shrug:

but still, there are just some games that you really have to just play for yourself...

Anyway, Lali has already confirmed by Lair purchase;)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I always wait for IGN/Gameinformer/Gamespot

Reading through all three of those and comparing there pros and cons has never steered me wrong:shrug:

but still, there are just some games that you really have to just play for yourself...

Anyway, Lali has already confirmed by Lair purchase;)

Trust in men and you are doomed to failure. But trust in Lalilulelo, and you will never fail.

[GTShotoKen]

Dragons are great....Nothing to see here. ;)

[Sephiroth_VII]

Lali's reaction when he reads the above post-->:banned:

[GTShotoKen]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't be banned....I love dragons!!!

[Sephiroth_VII]

There's an "EDIT" button, ya know :susp:

[chartwel]

http://blog.us.playstation.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/main_menu.mp3

main menu music. now that shit is epic. love it. the audio score for this game is gonna be incredible.

[FantasyGhost]

Is that a bug?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1057/1063819826_9c90c7cb41_b.jpg

[warmachine]

No, it's a feature! ^^

[GTAce]

:laugh: :lol:

[FantasyGhost]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1187/897460428_481ff1cfe3_b.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1344/897747726_8d39e0e5ec_b.jpg
Few more from that SCEA flickr board

[GTAce]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1344/897747726_8d39e0e5ec_b.jpg

MAAAN this game looks better and better.

[Raitei]

wow.. this looks mesmerising

[yoshaw]

I cant see sheeeeet! Someone upload those pics to xs.to please.

[GTAce]

http://xs218.xs.to/xs218/07335/897460428_481ff1cfe3_b.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs218&d=07335&f=897460428_481ff1cfe3_b.jpg)
http://xs218.xs.to/xs218/07335/897747726_8d39e0e5ec_b.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs218&d=07335&f=897747726_8d39e0e5ec_b.jpg)
http://xs218.xs.to/xs218/07335/1063819826_9c90c7cb41_b.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs218&d=07335&f=1063819826_9c90c7cb41_b.jpg)

[yoshaw]

you da man!

[Raitei]

bugger you gtace

bugger you

[GTAce]

:-p

[Sephiroth_VII]

Whoa, this game is looking better every time we see it. September can't come fast enough!! :rant:

[OmniCloud]

man...fook screen shots, game looks up and down sometimes, I wish the final release would just hurry up and get here so I can see if it's awesome or not..

Hurry up Factor 5:rant:

[Nameless]

This game has went from a must buy to rental...
Too many great games being released this fall & winter and I'm not convinced this is one of them...

[frosty]

Morgan Webb just said as of the latest interview Factor 5 says Lair is now running at 1080p @ 60FPS. Any truth to this?

[Nameless]

^ The game was always suppose to run at 1080P, but I thought the frame rate was 30 fps. If they managed to pull off 1080P 60fps with the draw distance required for this title it would be an amazing technical feat this early in the PS3's life cycle...

[GTShotoKen]

If that's true, it could seriously impact reviews. The fluidity of gameplay really makes a difference in how someone might enjoy it, not to mention graphics which just look more pristine when running at 60FPS.

[frosty]

no joke. I thought it may be a mistake, but one would think they wouldn't let something like that slip.

[GTAce]

EDIT: Nvm wrong thread LOL sorry.

EDIT2: WTF? Never 1080p@60. lol
That would be huge.

[BruceWayneIII]

Waaaaaayyyyy to many screens for me to post here:

http://ruliweb.empas.com/data/rulinews/read.htm?num=15620

It's a mix of menus, cutscenes and gameplay. Enjoy!

[GTAce]

Bruce?

FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK those are greeeeeeeaaaaaaaaat! =-o

EDIT: Holy shit that game looks to fucking great.... wow.

[BruceWayneIII]

First image I posted is from a cutscene, but the other three are gameplay. There's also some HD video, but download speed from Ruliweb is terrible, so I don't know if it's worth the trouble - yet...


I don't have to see a dozen of reviews before buying this beauty. Day one purchase.

[curryking1]

Those graphics are certainly god damn awe-inspiring, nice...

........aannnnnnd this is once again on my list of games to look into purchasing.

[OmniCloud]

=-o

[LaLiLuLeLo]

It's massive! Gooood god!

[Nameless]

Can anyone confirm the rumors of 1080P 60fps, because if that's true I may reconsider a day one purchase...

At this point it's still a rental especially considering the reports of short game length...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I dunno about 60FPS, but it's 1080p. :/ Not sure how that's the difference between a rental and a purchase...

[Nameless]

^ The game would run silky smooth at 60fps and would really become a showcase piece for friends and family... Also, the gameplay is smoother at the increased fps so I would be more inclined to take a leap of faith since I will not have a chance to play a demo first... Honestly, I can't say that the 1080P 60fps bullet point would absolutely make it a day one purchase, but it would be a step in the right direction...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

HABDASHERY!

I can't wait for this game. Even though they've got the hubris to make me wait anyway! Grrr.....

It would be silky smooth, but it was still pretty damn smooth at E3 (aside from that one part where I flew high up and the ENTIRE city was in view, it stuttered, but apparently the framerate has been stabilized) whatever the target framerate was.

[Siraris]

The latest Podcast Beyond Episode from IGN was pretty harsh on Lair. All 3 guys said it was painfully unpleasant to play. Not for graphics, but for the actual gameplay/repetitiveness :(

[makeitlookreal]

If this game can run at a solid 60FPS at 1080P then I think it will impress many people.

[bigwig]

despite mediocre reviews Im still going to pick this up...it at least looks great...plus I am slightly sceptical...there are some games that scored highly, then bore me to death, and yet this interests me slightly

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I just had a blast using the controller as reins on a horse....or in this case dragon. It worked well, and I guess EGM had trouble with it because they're disabled or legally retarded, but to me the fun was immediately apparent.

[flipflop]

This game has got to have cost Sony probably $15 million!. Instead of contracting out a couple of these developers such as Factor 5 Sony should of bought exclusives such as GTA.

[mokmok]

I don't know where these 60fps rumors came from but, Julian Eggebrecht clearly states on the Insomniac Full Moon podcast that it runs mostly at 30fps with occasional drops to the mid 20s.

But like most, I would love to see Lair running at 1080p/60fps locked!

[BruceWayneIII]

Three Speech hands on preview:

Courtesy of Three Speech reader and regular contributor Tom Eccles.

http://www.threespeech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Lair1.1.jpg

After reading what various game review sites and magazines thought about L.A.I.R, I was really looking forward to getting my hands on it. You take the role of Rohn, who rides a veracious dragon defending the skies for the Asylian civilisation – currently at war with the Mokai. The game involves fierce air combat with other dragons, as well as ground fights with enemy soldiers.

The first level of the game is a basic training exercise – like something on a flight simulator. Guided by another warrior you fly up, down and through hoops. You get the idea. Then you get your first taste of combat with another dragon. It’s not very exciting, but it introduces you to the scene and controls so it’s worth going through.

Talking of controls, L.A.I.R’s can be quite complicated. For what should be a simple game, Factor 5 put in some fairly complex controls which will probably take some getting used to. The easy part is moving – simply tilt the Sixaxis in the way you want the dragon to move, then tapping X speeds you up while L2 or / and R2 will put on the ‘brakes’. To target an enemy dragon (or an enemy object; i.e. a catapult) you hold either L1 or L2 until you see a red glow around it – then you can press square to send balls of fire, or circle to swing in and physically ‘attack’ them. After this, things get complicated – you sometimes enter a mode where the two dragons latch onto each other and fight, giving you the option of biting or breathing fire over the enemy. Other times, you enter a mode where you have to line up your dragon with the other before you can attack, and I have yet to be successful in doing this.

http://www.threespeech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Lair2.1jpg.jpg

One of my favourite parts of the game is landing on the ground and ripping through crowds of enemy infantry. To land you have to fly close to the ground and hit L2 and R2 – after which you can run around on the ground. You can breathe fire onto the Mokai troops or simply hit them with your dragon’s claws. You can even swoop down, pick a soldier up and drop him to his death over the sea. During the game you will not only meet enemy dragons and soldiers, but also rhinos and other weird creatures. In game, often in the parts with big armies, you have a bar at the top telling you who is winning - sort of like a set of scales. The massive battle scenes are definitely one of the best parts to L.A.I.R..

L.A.I.R’s full 1080p graphics look great, the water movement is extremely realistic, the enemy dragons look great and the sky is beautiful. One thing that looks especially good is the lightning during dark scenes, where the sea and any other dragons in the sky get lit up in the flash. Its lighting is fantastic, and you’ll definitely be impressed when you’re flying through the skies. The game runs at 30 frames per second - however when you do actions that require quite a lot of power, or there are lots of dragons on screen, it goes down which is disappointing. Despite that, the game does look great and swooping down onto a mass crowd of infantry is a joy.

http://www.threespeech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Lair3.1jpg.jpg
http://www.threespeech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Lair4.1.jpg

L.A.I.R has mission-based gameplay, set in different locations with different objectives. The storyline follows on from each mission and there are a lot of cinematic scenes to help tell the story. If you like story driven games, then L.A.I.R is definitely for you. After the mission, you get a scoreboard which has how much damage you’ve done, how many people you’ve killed, time taken etc. and if you do well enough you get graded with a medal. You can then go to the online leader boards and check how you’re doing compared to others. There will also be online forums for you to use.

http://www.threespeech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Lair5.1jpg.jpg

Finally, the soundtrack to the game is fantastic. Composed by John Debney (who produced soundtracks for Sin City and Passion of the Christ), the game provides appropriate music for whatever you’re doing in game and it sounds great. The battles are brought alive by the fast paced soundtrack, in uncompressed 7.1 surround sound, which does a great job of immersing you into the game.

L.A.I.R has great gameplay, its 1080p graphics look superb and the heavy storyline really brings you into the game. Its faults in my opinion are the often complicated control system and the frame rate noticeably dropping when you’re in combat with lots of Mokai dragons or troops. However, its mass combat scenes really draw you into the game and if you’re one for a full, dense storyline, then L.A.I.R is definitely worth picking up.


http://threespeech.com/blog/?p=554#more-554

[evillion]

http://i13.tinypic.com/4vriotl.jpg
twin giant snake FTW!
OHH dear mama...this is right up there with hollywood quality! best console graphics along with kilzone2.

[evillion]

Three Speech hands on preview:

at last, the good impressions the game truely deserves. and once u get used to the controls i suppose there wont b any complains then.

[warmachine]

PSM Review Scores:

Lair (PS3, Factor 5): 5,0/10
Warhawk (PS3, Sony): 6,5/10
All-Pro Football 2K8 (PS3, 2K Sports): 8,0/10

Not looking too good! :(

[Fats]

Yikes...

[Sephiroth_VII]

I haven't played LAIR much, but from my experience with Warhawk, that review seems really unfair!

I'm starting to think that PSM has some sort of bias against motion controls.

[Fats]

Seems people are crying FAKE REVIEW, but that's to be expected when the fanboys get defensive. On the other hand, didn't they give CaC an 8? Seems a little bizarre anyway.

BTW - Lair got an 8 from PSW, no link though.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Man, this game is a fine example of 'reviews are worthless, play it for yourself'.

[VideoGame mania]

PSM Review Scores:

Lair (PS3, Factor 5): 5,0/10
Warhawk (PS3, Sony): 6,5/10
All-Pro Football 2K8 (PS3, 2K Sports): 8,0/10

Not looking too good! :(

Crap, I won't buy those games at full price the reviews are atrocious from all sites and mags. Sony dropped the ball big time.
So, because of a review, you're decided to give up on games that looked promising beforehand? I'd at least give them a rent if I were you.
I don't like renting games or anything, a friend of mine will share Warhawk with me.
Lair only got looks, the core of the game is empty, fly there, protect this and that. ect.
Even Sony is ashamed to show this game, Heavenly Sword right now is their top priority.

[Sephiroth_VII]

So, because of a review, you're decided to give up on games that looked promising beforehand? I'd at least give them a rent if I were you.

[curryking1]

That sucks about the reviews, but oh well. One of the most impressive things visually btw tho is how detailed even the soldier models are.

The closest comparison of scale is ME2 TW and the soldiers in that game completely pale in comparison to the soldiers in this one. The graphics are just retardedly good in this game, it's simply ridiculous how they pulled off this scale with those visuals.

I'll gripe about the gameplay later when I actually try it, and if I indeed have gripes with it, but that's for another time.

[Shogun042]

that warhawk review came out of left field. i don't know what game they were playing but i had a blast with the beta and besides the freezing bugs there wasn't a whole lot that needed to be fixed IMO.

anyway, i'm getting Lair for the story.

[yoshaw]

The closest comparison of scale is ME2 TW and the soldiers in that game completely pale in comparison to the soldiers in this one.

ME2 TW? You mean the game called Maidens Ecstacy2 Titillating World? :tardbang:

[Nameless]

I agree that reviews are not always a good indicator of game quality, but typically if a game receives good reviews across the board it's a solid title...
Considering Lair has been hit or miss based on reviews and the reported short SP campaign I will definately rent this title.
If Factor 5 decided to release a Lair demo and the demo was great I would reconsider my position... I was amped up for Heavenly Sword and after playing the demo it only confirmed my excitement for the game. I was never really amped up for Lair so I definately need to play before I pay... The same applies to Bioshock I was not excited for the game, but after playing the demo I was sold... A good demo can go a long way especially if your game is getting tough reviews...

I still plan to buy Warhawk day one regardless, because I have been waiting for a 3rd person multiplayer shooter on the PS3. Also, everyone I know who played the beta had nothing but positive comments.

[rob the slob]

I knew LAIR would be crap. Factor 5 just cant make fun games.

Warhawk on the other hand I will be picking up. My best bud got into the beta and he told me it was a blast. Me and him usually have the same taste in games so I'm not worried.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Ssshh..

[Fazares]

this reminds me about some super rub a dub reviews...

[GTAce]

I knew LAIR would be crap. Factor 5 just cant make fun games.

Warhawk on the other hand I will be picking up. My best bud got into the beta and he told me it was a blast. Me and him usually have the same taste in games so I'm not worried.

You say because of the review LAIR is crap but Warhawk is still good because a friend told you so?
Why are you judging LAIR from the review instead of wait till you or a friend of yours play it?

[curryking1]

ME2 TW? You mean the game called Maidens Ecstacy2 Titillating World? :tardbang:

Yes... of course yoshaw.

Is this guy retarded or something? Man! What a crazy mother ***ker!

;)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

You say because of the review LAIR is crap but Warhawk is still good because a friend told you so?
Why are you judging LAIR from the review instead of wait till you or a friend of yours play it?

don't bother.
"Some men aren’t looking for anything logical. They can’t be bought bullied reasoned or negotiated. Some people just want to watch the world burn."