Motorstorm: About to hit it's target?

[makeitlookreal]

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/104,1157683258,59730,0,0.html

Check out the above link. Some amazing new pics of Motorstorm. Very small pics, but very interesting and they look stunning!

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m01.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m02.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m03.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m04.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m05.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m06.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m07.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m08.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m09.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m010.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m011.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m012.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m013.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m014.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m016.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m017.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m018.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m019.jpg.jpg

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m020.jpg.jpg

IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE REST JUST KEEP ADDING NUMBERS TO THE END OF THE URL

The LAST image is the most impressive to me. Look at the HUGE ammount of DIRT being kicked up. Now THATS Motorstorm!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

you sure those pictures aren't from the original '05 trailer?
And also keep in mind that shrinking images down makes them look better.

[masteratt]

Motorstorm always looked impressive to me.

Matches it's E3 05 target? I'll say so- Even if I don't count these pics posted.
Also it shows impressive next-gen physics.

[Nameless]

you sure those pictures aren't from the original '05 trailer?
And also keep in mind that shrinking images down makes them look better.
The pics are different from the 2005 E3 footage and some of the pics are from the most recent HD trailer released. Also, I agree the smaller pics do increase the pic quality, but I have been hearing a lot of buzz about Motorstorm being the most impressive PS3 launch window title... :pepper:

[Siraris]

Well I thought Motorstorm looked almost exactly like the target trailer (sans polishing effects) for a while now. There's some sort of misconception from people that when a game is in development, that's how it will look when it comes out. Being a developer myself, I can tell you that you could be forced to release some media when a part of your code base is broken, or not fully implemented, and so you can't really show off what it can do. Furthermore, if a developer is focusing purely on graphics at an early stage of development, you're in for a big disappointment from the game. There are many other areas that should be implemented before worrying about polishing up the graphics.

Does anyone have the E3 trailer handy? There's a TON of pics on that site if you scroll down below the renders of the vehicles. A TON.

Edit* I hit submit by accident... if those are in fact what the game looks like, show it to the Europeans, it will take away most of the sting of the delay. WOOPTY WOOP! :D

[makeitlookreal]

The last image is really the one that impressed me the most. You can clearly see a LOT of dirt is being kicked up. It simply looks darn good!

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m013.jpg.jpg

[liver_kick]

Some nice new shots in there, looks like its really coming along. Motorstorm has looked a lot better in motion regardless.

But man, I have to get this off my chest (even though it'll likely go through one ear and out the other). I wish fans would stop obsessing over CG target renders in general. They are CONCEPT REELS. Shiny storyboards to hype up the product. Its silly to give them so much weight, holding them up as some kind of bar or standard that must be achieved. The development process is an arduous one and the end product will stand on its own. Whats important is Evolution is a terrific studio with a great pedigree and a super concept for a new franchise. This game is going to kick ass.

[makeitlookreal]

Check this one out from above. Super-Cool!

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m016.jpg.jpg

[LaLiLuLeLo]

now that I take a better look, they aren't from any cg videos shown. So if these are legit then man lookout everyone motorstorm is hot! And liver_kick I agree with you 100%

[makeitlookreal]

Also, save them for future reference just in case they are pulled for some reason. BTW, the Resistance images released to do (some of them anyway) are actually still under embargo but the whole world got them anyway because they leaked out! :-)

[Nameless]

IGN will be posting a new article about Resistance with new footage today!
Good stuff...

[masteratt]

Let's hope it's not that five sec footage from the ad.

[ddaryl]

Those are the real deal, and yes another dev has hit the mark

[makeitlookreal]

From those images what differences do all of you notice?

I have noticed:

1) More dirt being kicked up.
2) Background textures (maybe) being kicked up a notch.

The truth is these shots make me WANT to think the game has recieved an upgrade. However, we cannot really know with such tiny images. I want to say, that these are some amazing images. But I do not know for 100%.

If these images look just as good in full 720P then I think they could be very close to matching their render target.

[rob the slob]

Here's what the game looks like in normal sized screens.
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/716/716445/motorstorm-20060704031132809.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/716/716445/motorstorm-20060704031136668.jpg

[ddaryl]

Here's what the game looks like in normal sized screens.
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/716/716445/motorstorm-20060704031132809.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/716/716445/motorstorm-20060704031136668.jpg


looks like somone feels threatened.

[agentorange]

I say again the pics are TOO SMALL TO BE JUDGE OKAY. Pics tend to look better when decrease in size. Lets wait for a bigger one or a HD trailer.

[carambole5]

looks like somone feels threatened.

Rob the Troll ?

[ddaryl]

Rob the Troll ?


:piss: Rob the Troll

[Death & Eggs]

Nice Motorstorm screens!! I'm very anxious to see how it looks in motion at this point in time!

[carambole5]

I say again the pics are TOO SMALL TO BE JUDGE OKAY. Pics tend to look better when decrease in size. Lets wait for a bigger one or a HD trailer.

The quality of a lot of elements has clearly improved. Bigger pics will only show this better.

[senas8]

Brilliant! Infact im going to preorder this one.

[VG Aficionado]

Hasn't this magazine issue been released yet? Because it includes a MotorStorm interview. (http://www.gamepro.com.au/index.php?id=1329147418)

MotorStorm looks better and better each time. I don't think It'll end up looking like the E305 teaser, but it will be an impressive game by the time it releases anyway.

[senas8]

Amen. Going to look up that magazine later today.

[agentorange]

I just hope that the game really reach that E3 2k5 target. Im realy looking forward too this one and have higher expectations on this one than the others.

Show some new HD video and bigger pics Sony.

[frosty]

U want bigger pics that beat the target renders? look in the heavenly sword thread.

[ddaryl]

U want bigger pics that beat the target renders? look in the heavenly sword thread.

or the Resitance thread

[Crossbar]

Here you have some more high res shots!
I think I recognise some as old, but anyway.

http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/ms/SS/MStorm_06.jpg
http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/ms/SS/MStorm_07.jpg
http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/ms/SS/MStorm_08.jpg
http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/ms/SS/MStorm_09.jpg
http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/ms/SS/MStorm_10.jpg
http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/ms/SS/MStorm_05.jpg
http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/ms/SS/MStorm_04.jpg
http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/ms/SS/MStorm_03.jpg
http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/ms/SS/MStorm_02.jpg
http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/ms/SS/MStorm_01.jpg

[agentorange]

Okay thanks . The cars especially the wheels looks good and the damage effects. The environment? Well needs more improvement.

[EvilTaru]

The last image is really the one that impressed me the most. You can clearly see a LOT of dirt is being kicked up. It simply looks darn good!

http://www.famitsu.com/game/coming/2006/09/08/h-104_59730_m013.jpg.jpg

The mud effect is coming together nicely.:grouphug:

[Illmatic]

The lighting is great IMO. I'm not too fussed on how much more detailed they make the environments, i'd be happy to buy the game like that. I'd rather them add some AA to the game actually.

This game is going to be alot of fun.

When i see this screen
(i'm talking about the big fucker)

http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/ms/SS/MStorm_09.jpg

For some reason i think of this song ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1fWNxZwIj4

I guess i'll be blasting that with a custom soundtrack when i roll with that beast!

[CreativeWriter]

Yeah, aliasing needs some work. Rock-wall textures, too. I'm not a big racer fan, but I guess I have an interest in Sony doing well. Maybe these kinds of games will be more fun online. There's not much replay value after you master to courses and the AI in most racers...

[Illmatic]

Alot more high res shots:

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/ms.htm

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/6074/ms2dj7.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1276/ms4xi5.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2971/ms3zb6.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3580/ms1hz2.jpg

:XD:

[Illmatic]

Didn't notice this before, but damn!!

http://www.sigmirror.com/files//336/MStorm_071.jpg

:heybaby:

[VG Aficionado]

Is that a bike flying? =-o I'm really impressed by MotorStorm.

[overclocked]

Target render completed. Hardware MIA...
Cant stand to hear more about these games not getting to their targets when they clearly do and go ahead like in Heavenly Sword.

[woundingchaney]

Looks about the same to me. Parts I like parts I dont so on and so forth.

I think the whole mayhem part of the game is rather well done with the wrecks and what not. Also the bikes are pretty damn cool. Im not big into racers but this could add a good spin on the stale genre.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Neat, but I want some hi-res!

EDIT: Hadn't seen page 2. Yay!!!!

[Crossbar]

Make this a March launch title and I'll forgive Sony!!!

[yoshaw]

HOLY......!

The game looks phenomenol in the pics on first page!!! SDTV's are going to pwn this game 0_0

http://xs106.xs.to/xs106/06365/ms25.jpg

[Rubbernek]

HOLY......!

The game looks phenomenol in the pics on first page!!! SDTV's are going to pwn this game 0_0

http://xs106.xs.to/xs106/06365/ms25.jpg

This is part of the latest batch of screens (some of the other ones are from the E3 build).

This looks on par with the target render.
Very very impressive.

[yoshaw]

There's a lot more where that came from!!!

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/ms.htm

Check the bottom for concepts of other tracks to be included in Motorstorm.

[sif]

Yeah there are a few that seem like they are from a newer build, with more and better foliage and more volumetric and higherdensity mud, also some shots seem to have AA and others do not, see below. Touched up or later build?

http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/ms/SS/MStorm_07.jpg

[Undercover Cop]

Old crappy pics from E3 resized:

http://www.resizepictures.com/images/500/00415158.jpg

http://www.resizepictures.com/images/500/00415159.jpg

http://www.resizepictures.com/images/500/00415160.jpg

http://www.resizepictures.com/images/500/00415161.jpg

[yoshaw]

Crappy???.... WTF!

Check if you're still wearing your glasses.

[Fats]

Exactly my thoughts.

[OmniCloud]

WHy did they change the color of the dirt?? IT's looks better in the E3 target render...besides that-game looks crazy...Europe will definitely have a better launch in March...The actual games looks more like clay and red dirt-while the trailer reminds me of a desert--is that just better quality?

[Leedogg]

MotorStorm is going to be a AWESOME! Definitely picking this up at launch!

[Grovestreet]

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4189/ms51qy7.jpg
Imagine the fun you could have on those Bumps?

[Viper]

The color change of the dirt could just be real time lighting from the time of day.

[Voidler]

Holy shit, first screenshot of MS that's impressed me :o

[yoshaw]

Yea, there are 4 more at the Gamewatch website but ofcourse all 5 of those(at the bottom of Gamewatch page) are concept renders. Check bottom right of the pics for confirmation that those are renders, not ingame.

Holy shit, first screenshot of MS that's impressed me :o

How about this one ;)
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3580/ms1hz2.jpg

[dnpmakkah]

These images look really good. I think it is close to it's target..and nearing it faster day by day especially since this is a first generation game. I can't wait to see it on video.

[BruceWayneIII]

Here's what the game looks like in normal sized screens.
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/716/716445/motorstorm-20060704031132809.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/716/716445/motorstorm-20060704031136668.jpg

They are not really new anymore...

[Leedogg]

Question

When do they normally start producing the game and sending it out to distrabution? (sorry cant spell) 30 days out? 60 days out? I'm guessing this game right now is getting finalized.

[carambole5]

Question

When do they normally start producing the game and sending it out to distrabution? (sorry cant spell) 30 days out? 60 days out? I'm guessing this game right now is getting finalized.

A game is usually "gold" 3 weeks before its release date. But it could be shorter (ie: Test drive unlimited was finish august 28th and it is in store today).
So they still have around 2 months.

[makeitlookreal]

Once again, there are tons of new images here:

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/ms.htm

Now, these are my opinions after viewing these higher resolution images.

1) The background textures have improved significantly. I still do not think they 100% match their render target but they are consistantly improving.

2) The mud has improved tremendously. Much more is being kicked up.

3) The vegetation looks MUCH BETTER! In some of the previous releases and screenshots the vegetation looked *totally* lame. Now, the grass and trees look MUCH better.

4) The vehicles also look like they are improving. In a FEW of the screenshots there is a lot of aliasing occuring. However, I think those issues will be fixed.

---

To sum it up this game might not reach it's actual target render (but who really knows), but I think it's possible. Even if it does not this game has EXCEEDED what many, many people thought.

This game is already pretty darn close to it's target render in my opinion.

[Nameless]

Considering the game is not a launch title the team still has several months to add additional shaders and tweak lighting, the game could meet or come very close to the E3 2005 footage. I'm extremely impressed with this title and the 360 had nothing close to this quality with the 360 launch IMO. PGR3 was the most visually impressive launch window title for the 360 and I believe this game will exceed PGR3 visually when released next year.

I want to see more first person camera angles of the action, because it looks very impressive and that was the main camera angle used during the 2005 E3 footage.

[makeitlookreal]

I agree Nameless. If this game is not released until March or so of 2007 this game could have time to get many, many improvements. In my opinion it is already more exciting to look at than anything the 360 has produced.

What's going to be nice is at TGS when the world gets to see the latest build of the game. Now that is going to be exciting.

Do you happen to see how the vegetation has improved? That is one thing that I noticed from these screenshots.

[chrismt]

Put a 56k warning on this thread! Jesus.

Good looking pics nonetheless, hopefully I can get 1 of the 2 PS3s that will be in Gamestop in November to play it.

[carambole5]

Considering the game is not a launch title the team still has several months to add additional shaders and tweak lighting, the game could meet or come very close to the E3 2005 footage. I'm extremely impressed with this title and the 360 had nothing close to this quality with the 360 launch IMO. PGR3 was the most visually impressive launch window title for the 360 and I believe this game will exceed PGR3 visually when released next year.

I want to see more first person camera angles of the action, because it looks very impressive and that was the main camera angle used during the 2005 E3 footage.

Evo has stated it will be a launch title.

[Nameless]

Evo has stated it will be a launch title.
Which territory...
It could easily be a UK launch, I doubt the US/JP.

[carambole5]

On Evolution Studios: “a ‘next-gen’ PS3 launch title called MotorStorm”

confirmed in an interview not to old.

And the delay in Europe was unknown by this time, so...

[CrumCon]

The only thing i care about this game, is the sense of speed. Cause this game SUX in motion.

They really need to work on this.

[liver_kick]

The only thing i care about this game, is the sense of speed. Cause this game SUX in motion.

They really need to work on this.

Sense of speed is dead on in the first-person views we've seen IMO. Third person in racing games generally dull your point of reference and look a lot slower.

[woundingchaney]

Sense of speed is dead on in the first-person views we've seen IMO. Third person in racing games generally dull your point of reference and look a lot slower.
Great statement. Racing games have to be played in teh FP view for the complete since of speed, I prefer the infron of car cam. I guess that FP view LOL. A third person view completely kills this scenario (I dont really even like the cockpit views)

[Crossbar]

Great statement. Racing games have to be played in teh FP view for the complete since of speed, I prefer the infron of car cam. I guess that FP view LOL. A third person view completely kills this scenario (I dont really even like the cockpit views)
I agree, FP view is king, I want to have the same feel as when I am messing around with my car in real life, but no speed limits. LOL

[Pluto]

Rob isn't a troll. He just likes accurately sized images.

http://www.errorlloyd.com/images/troll1.gif

THESE are the real trolls you're after. :) Even in the larger images, the quality of the game is evident.

[woundingchaney]

Who is Rob. Have I missed something here???

[Pluto]

RobTheSlob. [ He's on the previous page. ]

He has been deemed a troll, and sentenced to a forum hanging for pulling up large images of Motor Storm to show the difference between the resized images.

[Fazares]

looks good,without any reasonable doubt....

[OmniCloud]

Well-burnot in 3rd person is just as intense as first...and a lot easier to avoid crashing as well...(I'm talking about Burnout 3 not the sequel where u can bump cars all over the place) It would be much better if the game gotta bost in fps

[liver_kick]

Well-burnot in 3rd person is just as intense as first...and a lot easier to avoid crashing as well...(I'm talking about Burnout 3 not the sequel where u can bump cars all over the place) It would be much better if the game gotta bost in fps

Burnout has a hyper stylized speed though. Its 0-200mph and no gear in between. ;) Same thing with other arcadey or futuristic racers. Hell, something like F-Zero GX is almost impossible to play in first person (unless you're really really good at it).

With Mo'storm its going for a psuedo sim approach, and off-roaders aren't supposed to be super fast to begin with. So first-person or cockpit view makes a big difference. Plus with off-road racing its particularly effective because the camera reacts to every bump and dip in the terrain, adding to the immersion (and helping you adjust the vehicle accordingly).

[Crossbar]

In Motorstorm competitors may get very physical with each other. I can imagine that 3rd person view may give an edge in certain situations because you can better see if someone is heading for you.

[BruceWayneIII]

I always go for first person view. And the Motorstorm clips looks to be most fun in first person view. Besides, there's a lot of action going on around you, so it's not likely to wheel ahead in 'US Circuit Racer - Burnout'-speed.

Although, that's the speed that get's my adrenaline flowing.

[woundingchaney]

I like the FP in Burnout but in all honesty I get crushed online because of this. Burnout runs so damn fast its ridiculous, But as stated I dont think that MS is built around speed more of a Rally scenario although Im still going to have to go with the FP view because its so damn cheesy staring at my car the whole race..

[Viano]

not sure those are new pictures or not

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/ms39.jpg

scroll down for more

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/ms.htm

[OmniCloud]

Dunno if they're knew or not either Viano-but they look really good...THis game is confusing me tho...SOme shots look Incredible but It's like how is that camera angle even possible when playing the game??! Some of these have to be from like a Replay or something I guess...

defintely one of PS3's most impressive games tho...Screw GT-this is the new RACER!!

i kid...i kid...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah first person view for me. More direct response, and my timing is better.

[CrumCon]

But cant they make the 3rd person view with the sense of speed of E3 2005 trailer?
Cause in the 2005 E3 trailer the 3rd view looks incredible, great sense of speed, if not THE BEST to date.

I really think its possible, its just a matter of camera view and some blur effects here and there.

[Smokey]

First Person for me. i find in third person if the arse end is hanging out my brain keeps subconsiously trying to correct it (when it dont need correction) this is what ill be using......

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/BFG-SMOKEY7/CopyofMStorm_04.jpg

[Grovestreet]

I dont like that view, I want a view from INSIDE the car, Not from the bloody bonnet, I want to see the drivers hands on the steering wheel, Mud flying up on the wind screen when a Motorbike or some other vehicle drives out in front of you, Also I want the sense of speed to be better aswell.
My 2 Cents.

[Smokey]

I dont like that view, I want a view from INSIDE the car, Not from the bloody bonnet, I want to see the drivers hands on the steering wheel, Mud flying up on the wind screen when a Motorbike or some other vehicle drives out in front of you, Also I want the sense of speed to be better aswell.
My 2 Cents.
ill be trying out in cab view as well :) thats what i hate about GT series you either have 3rd person or "road" view sucks i reckon

[masteratt]

You try to create 700 unique high-detailed dashboards then ;)

If GT ever has dashboard/cockpit cam (unique for each car, mind) I think a few guys in the dev team might die lol

[Smokey]

no all i wanted was a good Bonnet view like in rally games & V8s3 (toca) v8s has the best bonnet view around :)

[Grovestreet]

New?
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/8543/motorstormgi9.jpg
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1953/motorstorm1ip7.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2043/motorstorm3wl8.jpg

[masteratt]

Who cares if they are new or not, they all look great, thanks.

[OmniCloud]

^Ditto-I wanna see a cockpit view like in the E3 demo-that would be crazy to have mud fly on the screen!!!

[ddaryl]

sure would like to see a different enviroment sometime in thenear future

but otheriwse there looking good with still months to go.

[Grovestreet]

Not sure if these are New screens but whatever.
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6833/ms17cy3us4.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/442/ms19rj8jy1.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9296/ms43ew2nz1.jpg

Check out that height what the motorbike is jumping over!

[masteratt]

Haha- I am loving the crashes.

Do the parts stay on the ground or do they reset with the car?

[Nameless]

Haha- I am loving the crashes.

Do the parts stay on the ground or do they reset with the car?
Good question...
I would like a persistent environment so things get worse and worse as the race progresses. Also, for online play it would be nice if once your vehicle is destroyed you're done for that race... (perhaps a respawn option...)

[Grovestreet]

Not a bad looking view...
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8787/motorstormdy7.jpg

[LaLiLuLeLo]

cool. that's concept art though.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Haha- I am loving the crashes.

Do the parts stay on the ground or do they reset with the car?
Well, the whole idea with Motorstorm is that when the track gets damaged, it stays that way, so I assume that's a yes.

[CrumCon]

The conyons looks unnatural, MotorStorm is about realism.. the canyon looks too flat, unnatural, and uninspiring, boring.. you name it.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

but...you're judging all that from pictures?

[CrumCon]

nope, ive seen all released videos, yes gameplay vids as well. the canyon looks boring, and the game doesnt have sense of speed in 3rd person view, lunlike the E3 2005 trailer with mindblowing 3rd person view sense of speed an camera stutter.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well, we'll see won't we?
Besides it's probably the first level. Few first levels of any game are particularly intense. And I doubt we've seen the entire seamless level as a whole.

[masteratt]

I think frosty played it at E3 and I rmember watching it- It looked kind of fun (there weren't many vehicles and the damage system wasn't built in yet and the guy said it was only at 50% so it wasn't as good looking/playing as these screenshots).

Which reminds me- Someone seed the 3xperience DVD torrent please.

[dnpmakkah]

Looks like they have added fire to this game now. Remember those "sparks" that were nasty. I guess they have been polishing this game up a bit since we last saw it.
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6833/ms17cy3us4.jpg

[VG Aficionado]

I wonder if cars can explode. Can't wait to play MotorStorm!

[makeitlookreal]

Could the fire be some sort of speed boost or nitro?

[Sephiroth_VII]

No. This is a rally game, made to be realistic. It's not NFS: Rally.

Since they're very focused on realistic damage models and physics, I can't imagine them not letting the cars explode.

[masteratt]

@ MILR: Well...yes, that's exactly what it is lol

When you boost, the fire spits out like that which wasn't in the previous screenshots/vids so this game is really under heavy development :thumbl:

[Sephiroth_VII]

^You think so? I'd hoped that there'd be no nitro-like features... Oh well. Sorry MILR, you may be right.

[masteratt]

Has anyone watched the E-mpire E3Xperience thing?
While Frosty is playing, the guy mentions (hell, brags) about the Boost system and the motion blur kicking in (and how, appereantly- it's only possible on the PS3).

So Boost is confirmed- I am not sure if that's what causes the flames but it's an easy jigsaw to put together ;)

[Beenie Man]

Looks like they have added fire to this game now. Remember those "sparks" that were nasty. I guess they have been polishing this game up a bit since we last saw it.
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6833/ms17cy3us4.jpg

Wow this game is really, really, really, really, pretty.:beer:

I can't wait to see it in motion and on a HDTV.

[jako]

When I think of you lucky Americans ot Japaneses that will play it in 2 months (if it really is a launch title), whereas us poor :( Europeans that will have to wait another 6 months. grr !!

[CreativeWriter]

When I think of you lucky Americans ot Japaneses that will play it in 2 months (if it really is a launch title), whereas us poor :( Europeans that will have to wait another 6 months. grr !!

I have a feeling most of us in the US won't be playing it in 2 months. At least, I'm confident I won't be able to find one at launch, not having any connections to EB/Gamestop store managers, etc. It'll be very hard to check the forums that day and see reactions to the launch games... It'll be even harder to see people selling PS3s on ebay.

[Fazares]

i will probably import a jap or usa one....if this is the problem...

[jaxmkii]

No. This is a rally game, made to be realistic. It's not NFS: Rally.

Since they're very focused on realistic damage models and physics, I can't imagine them not letting the cars explode.

cars dont explode.... they burn yes but dont explode that is hollywood not realism

[jaxmkii]

i will probably import a jap or usa one....if this is the problem... your going to have a hardtime getting them to give theres up if theres a shortage

[makeitlookreal]

Cars can indeed expload. It's more likely for them to just catch fire and burn, but they also can expload. Remember, gasoline has the same explosive potential per volume as dynamite! If the gas tank is impacted just right the vehicle could indeed expload. I will say that catching on fire is probably much more common.

[CrumCon]

Its far from the target render:

you see, i dont care if they couldnt manage to make the game looks as good as the target, but it has to have the same sense of speed and the camera angles/views as the target.

in this case, MotorStorm fails in both of them.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614797/motorstorm-20060117013120694.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614797/motorstorm-20060117013044617.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614797/motorstorm-20060117013046007.jpg

[jaxmkii]

Cars can indeed expload. It's more likely for them to just catch fire and burn, but they also can expload. Remember, gasoline has the same explosive potential per volume as dynamite! If the gas tank is impacted just right the vehicle could indeed expload. I will say that catching on fire is probably much more common.

thats only part true

the gas has to be atomised with air at a ratio of 12:1 buy weight in a vapor form than compressed to a pressure of 12 bar (12 times the pressure of one atmospher) and heated to flashpoint that will occure naturaly if compressed quickly (the pricibles of how a compression or deseil engine works) other wise you'll need a spark.

to achive that level of explosiveness you have to recreate that conditions of the internals of a combustion engine. ther is NOTHING you can do to a gas tank to achive this

even if you straped a stick of dynomite to the tank. the dynomite would rupture the can atomise compress and heat the gas but it would still have a relitivly slow burn as most of the oxygen would be consumed in the origanl blast.

in short gasoline dose not explode it burns thats why we use as fuel and not Nitromethane but thats a whole differant animal

[Rai]

the only reason ppl say it doesnt reach its target is because of the camera angles the e3 vid showed....If a replay was shown, I'm sure they would all change their minds...

[Smokey]

in short gasoline dose not explode it burns
that is why i hate all those CRAP blowup scenes in movies

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yeah. cars blowing up for NOOOO reason. just because they crashed.
hahaha.

[jaxmkii]

that is why i hate all those CRAP blowup scenes in movies
thank you

still dont belive take a dixie cup of gas throw a match on it and observe:stirpot:

[Fazares]

your going to have a hardtime getting them to give theres up if theres a shortage
i m lucky...where i live only few cats could (or would)afford the money to buy an import one....:thumbl:
my favourite store already imported many jap ps2, 6 years ago...u wouldnt like to know the prices though:quagmire:

[woundingchaney]

Contained gasoline will explode.

[Smokey]

Nitromethane
but i would prefer to run my car on this lol (as long as its tuned for it) but even without a tune there are benefits to have :)

[jaxmkii]

Contained gasoline will explode. only if oxygen is present and the gasoline is in vapor form. the resulting explosion is relitivly weak won't even rupture a ploycarbonate bottle.

try it at home kids!

take a shotglass of gas pour it into a empty 2 liter soda bottle and stick one of those grill lighters to the rear!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

great fun

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but i would prefer to run my car on this lol (as long as its tuned for it) but even without a tune there are benefits to have :) your thinking of ethonal

nitormethane would blowyour car up.

nitromethame is waht Topfuel dragsters use and they cut it 50/50 with methonal alcohal and it still shortens the life of there engines to less than 4 seconds of runtime:skull:

[makeitlookreal]

I just want to make sure everyone knows that playing around with gasoline is not a good thing to do unless you are a carefully trained expert like the Mythbusters.

[satriales]

I just want to make sure everyone knows that playing around with gasoline is not a good thing to do unless you are a carefully trained expert like the Mythbusters.
The mythbusters actually tested whether petrol tanks explode when shot at. They don't.

[Kabbage]

The mythbusters actually tested whether petrol tanks explode when shot at. They don't.

Unless you are using tracer rounds, at a certain distance, and then it will only catch fire (Maybe Because of all the holes in the gas tank from previous bullet holes , they said).

[PUNK em 733]

Gas vapors are greatly more dangerous than gas itself. Hell I saw a demo were the a guy took a bit of gas and dipped a lit match into it, and the match got snuffed out like it was dipped in water.

[dnpmakkah]

Sounds like we are all starving for some more PS3 news!

[curryking1]

Gas vapors are greatly more dangerous than gas itself. Hell I saw a demo were the a guy took a bit of gas and dipped a lit match into it, and the match got snuffed out like it was dipped in water.

:huh: ...... :kweh?:...... I don't think you know what you are talking about Punk em 733 lol! What does that have to do with the differences between vapours and plain gas? lol!

School is now in session!

You do know that not all gases are like, you know, the ones that explode? lol! Everything would be exploding all the time lol! Ever hear of argon gas in your incandescent light bulbs?

It's called a lack of oxygen = No combustion. You should read this formula...

2 oxygen molecules + let's say 2 carbon atoms joined to be a molecule, so 1 molecule of C2 (carbon can be found in many molecules, never as a single atom tho) <----> 2 carbon dioxide molecules + X amount of energy (energy = the combustion, release of energy like heat energy, sound energy, you need oxygen for combustion)

2 oxygen molecules + 1 carbon molecule (of 2 carbon atoms) <---> 2 carbon dioxide molecules + X amount of energy

This is all elementary school knowledge, I have no idea how to make it simpler other than saying oxygen + carbon ---> carbon dioxide + energy

Let the schooling end lol!

[Hrama]

Umm can we please get back to Motorstorm now?

The fire looks good, but I would like to see it in a high def screenshot so I can see exactly what is going on. And yeah, it would be damned awesome if the vehicles also exploded.

[stanDarsh]

^What he said, this isnt science class 101, back to talking about Motorstorm

[LaLiLuLeLo]

seriously.
I look forward to this game.
I'm gonna get warhawk and resistance at launch, and then I'll be getting 1 or 2 games every other week (pay checks! woot!). Definitely gonna pick this up as soon as I can (presuming it doesn't suck).

[makeitlookreal]

One thing that makes me think the game will be good is that there has been so much silence about this game. You never hardly read interviews with the folks making Motorstorm. We have several interviews from the folks making Heavenly Sword, Resistance, MGS4, and others but very little from the folks at Evolution Studios.

I think they are going to surprise us with a brand new build we have not seen before.

[jaxmkii]

I just want to make sure everyone knows that playing around with gasoline is not a good thing to do unless you are a carefully trained expert like the Mythbusters.
or a 15 year auto tech vet...

than knowing how to deal with gas and fire is life saving knowlege:flamed:

yes motorstorm will be my first PS3 purchase

[yoshaw]

The fire looks good, but I would like to see it in a high def screenshot so I can see exactly what is going on.

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/ms17.htm

:beer:

[ddaryl]

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/ms17.htm

:beer:


I have to admit, I am not a big fan of this level of blurr. In motion it may look considerably better, but in screens it sucks

[jaxmkii]

LMAO all the cars are F&^%$ UP

[PUNK em 733]

I love when ppl try to make themselves come like they are superior. *SIGH*

[liver_kick]

I have to admit, I am not a big fan of this level of blurr. In motion it may look considerably better, but in screens it sucks

Not to single you out, but I think its pretty silly to see so many complaints about how motion blur looks so blurry... in screen shots. ;) Not just Motorstorm but seemingly every game using it lately. Its amazing how often this comes up on various forums.

I really think gamers need to start adjusting to the concept that static pictures aren't really giving us the accurate impression of graphic quality quite the way they used to. Frame by frame, 3D rendering used to be a good deal simpler. Pics in the mags told us a lot. Now all the dynamic lighting, shadow, particle, physics, animation, shader, post processing fx et al the hardware enables today simply fail to fully translate unless they're witnessed in motion. Key word being dynamic. Shiny screenshots just don't carry the same weight anymore. Thank god for broadband!

[ddaryl]

Not to single you out, but I think its pretty silly to see so many complaints about how motion blur looks so blurry... in screen shots. ;) Not just Motorstorm but seemingly every game using it lately. Its amazing how often this comes up on various forums.

I really think gamers need to start adjusting to the concept that static pictures aren't really giving us the accurate impression of graphic quality quite the way they used to. Frame by frame, 3D rendering used to be a good deal simpler. Pics in the mags told us a lot. Now all the dynamic lighting, shadow, particle, physics, animation, shader, post processing fx et al the hardware enables today simply fail to fully translate unless they're witnessed in motion. Key word being dynamic. Shiny screenshots just don't carry the same weight anymore. Thank god for broadband!


I agree with the theory you are trying to relate.

As i said in screens it sucks, and I am aware of its useage. However I still feel Motorstorm is using it too stongly but this is based upon screens. I will need to see it motion to appreciate it. Someone else mentioned that this is a boosting effect. When you apply boost to your vehicle you get more motion blurr. That is an acceptable overuse for me.

I think gamers need to adjust there expectations on many screenshots for multiple reasons, but that's a different argument

[frosty]

There is very mild motion blur all the time, but it really kicks into high gear when you hit L1 for the boost.

[liver_kick]

I will need to see it motion to appreciate it. Someone else mentioned that this is a boosting effect.

Yeah its overused for the boosting effect but also during regular driving as frosty said. Its a lot more subtle/natural looking in motion. You can see the effect it has on the first person view in particular. Check out the trailer on the website (uses flash)... http://www.motorstorm.com/en_GB

HD version is in the video thread too I think.

[Crossbar]

I think they also use motion blur to cover up for running at 30 fps, that's ok for me as long as the game flows naturally.

There's a lot of simulation going on there, all the dirt flying, destructable tracks, fire, not to mention the physics of all moving parts of the cars. If the developers get the time to complete this game the way they want to, I think it will be a major show case for the Cell CPU. :)

[makeitlookreal]

If they want to use motion blur to give a sense of speed that is fine. I just don't want them to use an excessive ammount.

[BruceWayneIII]

Motion blur is the anti-aliasing of fast moving pixels...

No motion blur in racing at e.g. 30 fps would be noticeable.

[yoshaw]

Its far from the target render:

.... and the camera angles/views as the target.

in this case, MotorStorm fails in both of them.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614797/motorstorm-20060117013120694.jpg

Fails in both? Not really!!! I believe Motorstorm will atleast cover the camera angles just fine. Looking at this picture below is enough to suggest they are including target render like camera angles.

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060908/ms36.htm

And your speed issues are covered with the Nitro boosts the game offers. I saw 4 available by default in the E3 version. You could probably gather more or upgrade it in more ways than one I assume. A word of advice though, this game is not Burnout. And the tracks are not pavements the last time I checked. Dirt tracks are supposed to be slower to drive on than tarmac. Be glad that they're letting you to use nitros. :)

[RavenFox]

Were these posted? Yes PS3 is more powerful than the other two

[RavenFox]

More..sorry if already posted. Yeah I think they were but what the hell eh..lol. Good to look at again.

[dnpmakkah]

Some of these are new to me. Thanks Raven

[Red_Eyes]

Do I notice a new lighting system in the newest shots? Looks like HDR.

[VG Aficionado]

Do I notice a new lighting system in the newest shots? Looks like HDR.Even the GDC demo featured HDR back in March.