View Full Version : Loads of new Fatal Inertia screenies !
Insane Metal
09-16-2006, 03:09 AM
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/733/733140/fatal-inertia-20060915053525212.jpg
Wow !!! Looking very very good ! :hugegrin:
More here: http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/749/749967/imgs_1.html
Nameless
09-16-2006, 03:11 AM
Nice picss... Wow :shocked:
I can't wait to see this game in motion 720P baby...
frosty
09-16-2006, 03:45 AM
what a jump in quality, this is from around E3 of this year:
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/703/703919/fatal-inertia-20060501100411978.jpg
And now:
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/733/733140/fatal-inertia-20060915053509682.jpg
Look at the foliage and especially the textures and geometry of the rocks in the background. Night and day difference. Also notice the absence of anti aliasing in the first pic.
OmniCloud
09-16-2006, 03:49 AM
has any1 seen the game in motion? Cuz these screens are SCREAMING nextgen to me....
Nameless
09-16-2006, 03:49 AM
Agreed... The textures are bananas in the new pics! :shocked:
frosty
09-16-2006, 03:50 AM
Man, imagine a game like this with the 6 axis tilt!!!
saxdawg00
09-16-2006, 04:00 AM
Man, imagine a game like this with the 6 axis tilt!!!
omg....
dockthepod
09-16-2006, 04:03 AM
Amazing what some motion blur will do for a game.
Siraris
09-16-2006, 04:07 AM
God this game looks SICK now. I called it with the last batch of screens and everyone told me I was crazy to see potential. This game could be a huge hit. Is it going to be at TGS?
Undercover Cop
09-16-2006, 04:10 AM
:)
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/257/930023_20060915_screen001.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/257/930023_20060915_screen002.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/257/930023_20060915_screen005.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/257/930023_20060915_screen006.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/257/930023_20060915_screen007.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/257/930023_20060915_screen008.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/257/930023_20060915_screen011.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/257/930023_20060915_screen012.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/257/930023_20060915_screen013.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/257/930023_20060915_screen015.jpg
Insane Metal
09-16-2006, 04:21 AM
God this game looks SICK now. I called it with the last batch of screens and everyone told me I was crazy to see potential. This game could be a huge hit. Is it going to be at TGS?
Yup !!! Playable !! :cheers:
Pluto
09-16-2006, 04:42 AM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
They're beautiful! This game should be a hit!
McLaren
09-16-2006, 04:49 AM
my freaking goodness!!!!
frosty
09-16-2006, 05:06 AM
Fatal Inertia weapons fact sheet (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=jjxamybab.0.sj99pxbab.r6bzdxbab.469&ts=S0206&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.koei.com%2Fcompany%2Fmedia%2Fim ages%2FFI_Weapons_FactSheetv1.pdf)
Fatal Inertia ship classifications (http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=jjxamybab.0.wj99pxbab.r6bzdxbab.469&ts=S0206&p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.koei.com%2Fcompany%2Fmedia%2Fim ages%2FFI_Ships_FactSheetv4.pdf)
makeitlookreal
09-16-2006, 05:08 AM
I'm simply astounded.
Seriously, a while back I had dismissed this game as being very weak looking. But now it's downright amazing. It's been upgraded tremendously!
I'm floored. Literally I'm picking my jaw up from the ground.
What could be causing all these massive upgrades to PS3 games all of a sudden? It's as if suddenly they went from "good" to stunning in a very short period of time.
You can do whatever you want, but I'm going to say this.....
This makes me AT LEAST WONDER if the PS3 did not get some sort of RAM upgrade or *something* to account for the upgrade we are seeing in this game, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Motorstorm, and tons of others!
Seriously, I'm floored! What could be doing this!?!
NeoPlayStation
09-16-2006, 05:09 AM
The motorstorm team needs to see this background screens :)
frosty
09-16-2006, 05:10 AM
6 days and 2 hours, we will begin to find out.
Pluto
09-16-2006, 05:11 AM
I bet Motorstorm, and any other launch game is will see similar updates.
There might still be hope for Genji! [ Gameplay wise..probably not. ]
curryking1
09-16-2006, 05:13 AM
This makes me AT LEAST WONDER if the PS3 did not get some sort of RAM upgrade or *something* to account for the upgrade we are seeing in this game, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Motorstorm, and tons of others!
...Or it could just be that the games are closer to being finished... lol! It's making me wonder a lot too! I haven't been so excited for even the PS2 when it came out.
It's like some hidden potential of the PS3 is just about to be shown now because all we got was craptacular unfinished stuff before. New MGS4 stuff looking mighty sharp, an actual next gen Burnout, getting better and better stuff of Resistance, and now this?
Can TGS really outmatch all this!?! It almost definitely will and that will be quite a treat for all of us indeed!
EvilTaru
09-16-2006, 05:17 AM
I like the upgrade, good job everyone. ~_~
OmniCloud
09-16-2006, 05:32 AM
I can't remember but did any1 from KOEI say u can use the tilt to control ur vehicle?
Hrama
09-16-2006, 05:38 AM
Wow, that jump in quality is amazing. This is looking more and more impressive. Nice to see the motion blur is there too now.
Siraris
09-16-2006, 05:49 AM
6 days and 2 hours, we will begin to find out.
Actually less than that, since Japan is 14 hours ahead of Eastern. So more like almost 4 days! :bigpimp:
curryking1
09-16-2006, 05:52 AM
^Not more like 4 days, 5 days would make a lot more sense. There are many more hrs in a day than 14 lol!
fly from air to underwater, and heat ripples from jet vents. Gotta love it.
makeitlookreal
09-16-2006, 06:05 AM
All I am saying is that these screenshots are taking an amazing leap forward. I'm stunned.
Could it be due to more time on the hardware? Sure.
Could it be due to the normal updated devkit? Sure.
Could it be due to developers figuring out how to better utilize the Blu-Ray drive and HDD? Sure.
But what what really facinates me is if this could be due to a significant upgrade in RAM or some other feature. That is what really has me curious. These upgrades are really significant and they are across multiple games.
Whoa.... I can't help but wonder.
Siraris
09-16-2006, 06:48 AM
All I am saying is that these screenshots are taking an amazing leap forward. I'm stunned.
Could it be due to more time on the hardware? Sure.
Could it be due to the normal updated devkit? Sure.
Could it be due to developers figuring out how to better utilize the Blu-Ray drive and HDD? Sure.
But what what really facinates me is if this could be due to a significant upgrade in RAM or some other feature. That is what really has me curious. These upgrades are really significant and they are across multiple games.
Whoa.... I can't help but wonder.
Or maybe it could be that it takes time to get a proper game up and running, regardless if you're using an already established engine like UE3?
Graphics are the last thing that should go into a game. Net code, AI, physics and gameplay, that's what is important to implement first, and then worry about graphics.
adam2407
09-16-2006, 07:03 AM
OMG! OMG! OMG! OMG!
Can't wait to lay my hands on this game at TGS (^o^)
LaLiLuLeLo
09-16-2006, 07:13 AM
I'm simply astounded.
Seriously, a while back I had dismissed this game as being very weak looking. But now it's downright amazing. It's been upgraded tremendously!
I'm floored. Literally I'm picking my jaw up from the ground.
What could be causing all these massive upgrades to PS3 games all of a sudden? It's as if suddenly they went from "good" to stunning in a very short period of time.
You can do whatever you want, but I'm going to say this.....
This makes me AT LEAST WONDER if the PS3 did not get some sort of RAM upgrade or *something* to account for the upgrade we are seeing in this game, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Motorstorm, and tons of others!
Seriously, I'm floored! What could be doing this!?!
What the case most likely is, MILR, is that now that they have the bugs and gameplay mostly completed and fixed, ironed out and to where they want it, they can focus on bringing the graphics to a good level. If they spend all their time on getting the visuals up to scale early on in development that's usually counter-productive, and a bad sign on the gameplay side. It makes more sense to get the game playing right, and then in the later stages of the development cycle, really make the game shine.
Kabbage
09-16-2006, 07:41 AM
Needs More..... Realtime!!!
VG Aficionado
09-16-2006, 10:39 AM
Wow, it's hard to believe this game's graphical improvements have been so steady since we first saw gameplay and real time footage. At the beginning I didn't expect it to be a very decent looking game, but now it is. Now it only needs some good gameplay and start selling!
yoshaw
09-16-2006, 11:29 AM
They're improving the graphics, that's for sure.
Red_Eyes
09-16-2006, 11:32 AM
Anti-Aliasing = So much better looking
Fazares
09-16-2006, 01:01 PM
it looks like theyr using motion blur...btw it looks very good...i m surprised...
woundingchaney
09-16-2006, 01:09 PM
This game got a much needed face lift and is looking pretty good currently. Im looking forward to TGS so we can see how gameplay is shaping up as well.
Man I would love to work in video game journalism LOL.
cliffbo
09-16-2006, 01:46 PM
I'm simply astounded.
Seriously, a while back I had dismissed this game as being very weak looking. But now it's downright amazing. It's been upgraded tremendously!
I'm floored. Literally I'm picking my jaw up from the ground.
What could be causing all these massive upgrades to PS3 games all of a sudden? It's as if suddenly they went from "good" to stunning in a very short period of time.
You can do whatever you want, but I'm going to say this.....
This makes me AT LEAST WONDER if the PS3 did not get some sort of RAM upgrade or *something* to account for the upgrade we are seeing in this game, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Motorstorm, and tons of others!
Seriously, I'm floored! What could be doing this!?!
I've said this a million times MILR... they were holding back on the textures and showing us downgraded builds so that when the games finally hit, they blow us away... and they did not want to give the opposition a chance to get close before the PS3 released... this is photorealism fella, look at that water...
Grovestreet
09-16-2006, 01:49 PM
Bloody hell! Thats all I gotta say.
Pumpkin Head
09-16-2006, 02:29 PM
very nice indeed.
yup, sure enough, nay sayers can't look me in the eye right now. to thee, I have only one thing to say: In Your Face!!
I always said this will be the unofficial Wipeout. kinda like my Wipeout bastard till the reall hover king swoops by.
depending on the feel of speed the game gives me, I might pick this one up immediately. again, the emphasis for me is s.p.e.e.d. strech my cheeks two feet backwards or let me walk!
jaxmkii
09-16-2006, 05:32 PM
wow Looks like this one just got added to my launch list...
makeitlookreal
09-16-2006, 06:13 PM
Cliffbo,
I accept that your notion of saving the best graphics until the end in this case has proven to be true.
However, this is not photo-realism. One thing I have learned is just how GOOD photo-realim actually is and this is not photo-realism. The PS3 may have the power to get close to photo-realism according to the human eye, but it does not have the power to do actual photo-realism in a game like this (or probably any game). Now, this game looks GREAT and has gotten a BIG boost. But it is not photo-realistic.
cliffbo
09-16-2006, 06:15 PM
Cliffbo,
I accept that your notion of saving the best graphics until the end in this case has proven to be true.
However, this is not photo-realism. One thing I have learned is just how GOOD photo-realim actually is and this is not photo-realism. The PS3 may have the power to get close to photo-realism according to the human eye, but it does not have the power to do actual photo-realism in a game like this (or probably any game). Now, this game looks GREAT and has gotten a BIG boost. But it is not photo-realistic.
take a cheap phone, take a picture, check the res and tell me its not photo realistic. it is possible.
Smokey
09-16-2006, 06:16 PM
Cliffbo,
I accept that your notion of saving the best graphics until the end in this case has proven to be true.
However, this is not photo-realism. One thing I have learned is just how GOOD photo-realim actually is and this is not photo-realism. The PS3 may have the power to get close to photo-realism according to the human eye, but it does not have the power to do actual photo-realism in a game like this (or probably any game). Now, this game looks GREAT and has gotten a BIG boost. But it is not photo-realistic.
you will have to wait till we get HOLODECKS mate :) buuut i dont think it will be in my lifetime
Insane Metal
09-16-2006, 06:47 PM
yoshaw, remember that Fatal Inertia gameplay video @ playfrance ? From E3 ? Could you get a download link for us please ? :hugegrin:
Raitei
09-17-2006, 01:16 AM
looks awesome. I somehow saw this coming
I've never really taken any screens at face value, they all seem underwhelming at first, but that would have been the case considering, as im sure it was said before, that developers would have been spending time mostly on the game itself.
I would rather a game looked sub par but played above average than the other way round IMO
Undercover Cop
09-17-2006, 01:34 AM
One of the Heavenly Sword devs over at neogaf.com is saying that those FI pics were clearly doctored. I hope they have their own game up to par for this Friday.
yoshaw
09-17-2006, 01:36 AM
Heavenly sword dev at neogaf? Can you paste a link for us to see?
Nameless
09-17-2006, 01:43 AM
^ I was just in the Inertia thread on Neogaf looking for the comment and had no luck... Unless it was posted in a different thread it could be UC trying the start some shit...
VG Aficionado
09-17-2006, 01:46 AM
A developer posting in a forum full of n00bs? Unless someone else quoted him from other more serious forum, I find it hard to believe they even bother to visit that place to analyse other games.
Fazares
09-17-2006, 01:47 AM
it could be UC trying the start some shit...
why r u even surprised...?
Undercover Cop
09-17-2006, 01:50 AM
Heavenly sword dev at neogaf? Can you paste a link for us to see?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4329560&postcount=123
Why do people get fooled by a faked blur so easily?
That blur is not in game, it's simply using an insane number of samples.
Anyway lighiting is much better, not it looks like that ships belong to the scenery :)
And yeah, Neogaf has long confirmed that he is a dev for HS. You can post at the official Heavenly Sword boards at ninjatheory.com to check it out if you want...
Nameless
09-17-2006, 01:55 AM
^ That comment was weak man...
You're trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill, I was more impressed with the textures and lighting than the damn motion blur. I do have to admit I would like to see the game in motion, because numerous 360 titles have impressed me with screenshots, but once I saw the title running on my HD television I was slightly dissapointed. (i.e. PGR3, Test Drive, NBA 2K6) Peace
Undercover Cop
09-17-2006, 01:59 AM
A developer posting in a forum full of n00bs? Unless someone else quoted him from other more serious forum, I find it hard to believe they even bother to visit that place to analyse other games.
The HS devs do talk a lot with the gaming community.
It did strike me as odd for one of their devs to say something like that, cause I've spoken with them before on their own boards and they rarely talk about stuff like that. The only time I can remember it coming close to something like that is a couple of my threads over there where they lightly bash the Genji 2 guys, and that wasn't really anything.
Ah who am I kidding? HS owns.
Fazares
09-17-2006, 01:59 AM
hmmm...suddenly blur looks unfeasible...when a good deal of next gen games are using it without a hitch...smells like...
Domination
09-17-2006, 02:00 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4329560&postcount=123
And yeah, Neogaf has long confirmed that he is a dev for HS. You can post at the official Heavenly Sword boards at ninjatheory.com to check it out if you want...
LOL! Maybe it's just me, but I don't think that person is a dev for Heavenly Sword (Sony Defensive Force? :err: ), and even if he was, how do he know if the stills were doctored or not if he's not developming the game?
Raijin
09-17-2006, 02:05 AM
LOL! Maybe it's just me, but I don't think that person is a dev for Heavenly Sword (Sony Defensive Force? :err: ), and even if he was, how do he know if the stills were doctored or not if he's not developming the game?
It's nAo, Dom...
and yes you can easily see the pics are doctored to me. The Blur is not natural. But nothing new here.
Fazares
09-17-2006, 02:07 AM
It's nAo, Dom...
and yes you can easily see the pics are doctored to me. The Blur is not natural. But nothing new here.
hmmm it looks just as natural as the ms one...:-/
yoshaw
09-17-2006, 02:09 AM
yoshaw, remember that Fatal Inertia gameplay video @ playfrance ? From E3 ? Could you get a download link for us please ? :hugegrin:
Sorry, I just noticed your post. I don't recall a video from playfrance. Was it a gameplay vid or just a trailer?
Oh shit, I pressed Ctrl+W. I hate your sig lol
Raijin
09-17-2006, 02:12 AM
hmmm it looks just as natural as the ms one...:-/
huh what? I dont get what you meant.
VG Aficionado
09-17-2006, 02:14 AM
Sorry, I just noticed your post. I don't recall a video from playfrance. Was it a gameplay vid or just a trailer?It's been on the video thread since E3, yosh :)
Fazares
09-17-2006, 02:15 AM
huh what? I dont get what you meant.
a hint...ms doesnt stand for microsoft:lol:
yoshaw
09-17-2006, 02:16 AM
Well, there you go :) :cheers: VG
Domination
09-17-2006, 03:56 AM
It's nAo, Dom...
and yes you can easily see the pics are doctored to me. The Blur is not natural. But nothing new here.
Didn't know that, Raijin. Thanks. :thumbl: I guess now I know this guy isn't the same person in which I thought it was, thank heavens.
Getting back on topic...
Sadly, I hadn't paid much attention to the stills, let alone the blur, until this recent. So I'll have to check it out.
Applefiend
09-17-2006, 06:03 AM
Welcome to our new gameshow, Applefiend ****s with your head.
Which game has better graphics... This one?
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/fatalinertia/21.jpg
This one?
or...
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/716/716445/motorstorm-20060704031134278.jpg
This one....? :)
Muhahahahaha!
makeitlookreal
09-17-2006, 06:06 AM
Too much darn blur in the Motorstorm pic.
Carlos
09-17-2006, 06:10 AM
Ohh.....I hate the peoole going to TGS, I'd kill to play this. It looks like WipeOut in full 3D glory.
Nameless
09-17-2006, 06:11 AM
Based off the current screenshots I would say Inertia, but I need to see the game in person. Honestly, I'm shocked by the drastic improvement displayed in the most recent pics and would like to see the game in motion before I get too excited for this one. I have seen a few games that looked incredible in screenshots, but not the same in motion. Test Drive is a great example, the screenhots are amazing, but in motion the game is impressive, but not amazing... Peace
Raijin
09-17-2006, 06:22 AM
Welcome to our new gameshow, Applefiend ****s with your head.
Which game has better graphics... This one?
http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/fatalinertia/21.jpg
This one?
or...
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/716/716445/motorstorm-20060704031134278.jpg
This one....? :)
Muhahahahaha!
The Motorstorm pics is from an old build anyway. I expect some improvements on this title. Cant wait for TGS.
yoshaw
09-17-2006, 09:06 AM
0_0
Them Inertia pics have really jumped in quality, haven't they? The pics apple is comparing are actually more in favor of the FI game. I never imagined I'd be saying that ... ever... if this was still E3 time. lol
Applefiend
09-17-2006, 09:32 AM
Yeah, to me FI is visibly better looking than Motorstorm, probably because FI has less complicated vehicles on screen,vehicles that have more room for shiny metal effects, and they hit the ground running on Unreal 3.0 Engine.
With FI there's more room for neon effects and plasma stuff and all that. Motorstorm has to look "real" which is a disadvantage. Unreal 3.0 engine has to excel at sci fi like effects as it's main client is UT2007.
But yeah Nameless is 100% right, we gotta see it looking that great in motion.
But I just say that top picture and it struck me... They're graphically ahead of Motorstorm!
Fazares
09-17-2006, 10:47 AM
so what about fi fake blur..?
everyone can see the way blur is done in the ms pic...and itsnt doctored...
btw that ms screen isnt one of the best....
yoshaw
09-17-2006, 11:04 AM
But I just say that top picture and it struck me... They're graphically ahead of Motorstorm!
I'm wondering about the day some developer gets 60fps out of Unreal Engine3. It is going to mark a significant day in gaming I assume. :pleased:
VG Aficionado
09-17-2006, 11:21 AM
I'm wondering about the day some developer gets 60fps out of Unreal Engine3. It is going to mark a significant day in gaming I assume. :pleased:Well, you've heard the (grounded) rumours about UT2K7 running at 49fps on beta PS3 hardware, haven't you? ;)
Domination
09-17-2006, 01:06 PM
I see what he's talking about now, although i prefer the doctor stills better. Then again, I need to see this game in motion.
Grovestreet
09-17-2006, 01:43 PM
Early pics to Present.
October 26th, 2005
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2005/271/930023_20050929_screen003.jpg
May 2006:
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/128/930023_20060508_screen004.jpg
Notice a little more effects going on. Little more environmental detail and polish to everything.
May 2006:
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/129/930023_20060510_screen004.jpg
Again, more environmental polish, new location with more detail to the vehicles as in October 2005.
June 2006:
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/173/930023_20060623_screen003.jpg
More layers of detail to the environment again, more polish but still very rough.
August 2006:
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/220/reviews/930023_20060809_screen008.jpg
Level of polish is becoming present now. Effects going on, clean water detail, nice environmental detail. Everythings shaping up little by little.
Late August 2006:
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/236/930023_20060825_screen001.jpg
Environment complexity boosted even more. Everything looking nice and clean and polished, still a little rough though.
Present:
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/257/930023_20060915_screen012.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/257/930023_20060915_screen006.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/257/930023_20060915_screen015.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/257/930023_20060915_screen001.jpg
A damn good Improvement.
Viano
09-17-2006, 02:12 PM
looks.. fast and furious
masteratt
09-17-2006, 04:08 PM
This is shaping up to be the cleanest, sharpest and fastest game on the PS3.
A game to replace Wipeout?! =-o
Effulgence
09-17-2006, 04:57 PM
This game 'looks' great but i'm a little worried about the controls. I don't have good experience with racers in 3d compared to flat track racers like F-Zero and Wipeout.
cliffbo
09-17-2006, 04:57 PM
those pics ARE photorealistic.
overclocked
09-17-2006, 05:53 PM
Either it stinks or do well. Not because of graphics but game-play.
These games are really hard to get right(the most difficult i would say) from my experience of playing the genre.
Its hard to get above average and easy to slick under that 7.5-8 of 10 points.
ddaryl
09-17-2006, 05:53 PM
Yep, PS3 games seem to continually make solid jumps in the graphics departments. It's really been amazing watching all these games "come of age" so to speak
Viano
09-17-2006, 06:00 PM
those pics ARE photorealistic.
no they are pre-rendered!! ..
sorry I get too excited recently doing new songs..
does FI support online?
if so the it's kinda crazy cuz most games support online, pretty big difference from PS2, the real 4th D lol.♪
masteratt
09-17-2006, 06:05 PM
Forget 4D!! That's PS2.5!
We are going for FIVE DIMENSIONS!!! ;)
Raitei
09-17-2006, 08:19 PM
can we have 6... one for each axis :P
VG Aficionado
09-17-2006, 08:24 PM
can we have 6... one for each axis :P
OMG, 6D! Eat that, real life!
yoshaw
09-17-2006, 08:24 PM
^Wish Granted.
in an old TV documetary, I remember them saying there are 14 proven dimentions and could reach 17. there would presumably be many others.
we only know 4 dimentions. I alwas get headaches trying to figure out what could others possible be...
always loved physics. :)
frosty
09-18-2006, 12:19 AM
I've heard people speak of as many as 26 dimensions, all curled around our 3 dimensions.
PUNK em 733
09-18-2006, 12:24 AM
Good GOD! The reflection on the red racer, the motion blur is just right...I am shocked at the jump this took. Usually you have 1-3 games that you might wanna pick up at the launch of a system, but with the PS3 there looks to be 5-6 games at least.
Beenie Man
09-18-2006, 12:29 AM
Some of you guys are complete graphic whores. Few months back ''Not that interesting, graphics are some of the worst of PS3.'' Or ,''Psst I'll pass on this one, I'll take Wipeout PS3 thank you.''
Now these screens come out ''wow, definately picking this game up.''
Or ''the graphical jump is amazing, can't wait to play it.''
It is becoming increasingly sad to see how people say a game will not be that great because of graphics when next gen is supposed to be about both next gen graphics(some people's standards vary) and NEXT GEN GAMEPLAY.
I am not so innocent myself though(read back on my bashing of Resistance a few months back as well as other games).
ddaryl
09-18-2006, 12:34 AM
The 1st A in a Triple A game is = graphics
I look forward to AAA games, but I will wait to hear much more about the game play before I get excited for Fatal Inertia.
Beenie Man
09-18-2006, 12:36 AM
So then by your logic, GTA 3-5(Vice City and San Adreas), are all AA games because they have not so great graphics or WOW is AA or lower because it does not have great graphics.
You add to my logic as you too seem to think a game must have really great graphics to be an AAA game.
bilbobob007
09-18-2006, 12:37 AM
Some of you guys are complete graphic whores. Few months back ''Not that interesting, graphics are some of the worst of PS3.'' Or ,''Psst I'll pass on this one, I'll take Wipeout PS3 thank you.''
Now these screens come out ''wow, definitely picking this game up.''
Or ''the graphical jump is amazing, can't wait to play it.''
It is becoming increasingly sad to see how people say a game will not be that great because of graphics when next gen is supposed to be about both next gen graphics(some people's standards vary) and NEXT GEN GAMEPLAY.
I am not so innocent myself though(read back on my bashing of Resistance a few months back as well as other games).
I think you will find most people here along with me are stunned at just how much this game as moved along. Some people will always be wowed by looks. Hell look at those ladies that grace the catwalks for a livin. Most you would not want to take home to your mother. But just every so often there is probably one with brains as well as looks. Hope this game is one of that ilk.
Does anyone have the original screens to hand to put up against the new ones just to properly show how its come along looks wise?
Applefiend
09-18-2006, 01:17 AM
Well, you know, you plonk $499.99/$599.99 down on a new games system you need something eye popping to show your mates.
OmniCloud
09-18-2006, 01:18 AM
I'll wait to see the game in action first. No futuristic racer has topped Wipeout or F-zero yet IMO so...
Orginally posted by Beenie Man
So then by your logic, GTA 3-5(Vice City and San Adreas), are all AA games because they have not so great graphics or WOW is AA or lower because it does not have great graphics.
You add to my logic as you too seem to think a game must have really great graphics to be an AAA game.
Graphics are what attracts u to a game. But AAA games don't have to have the best graphics in the world. But they do have to have GOOD graphics. GTA wasn't the best eye candy around, but the graphics were good. The environment were so large that stick figures would have been impressive in that situation. DMC, SoTC, these games don't neccesarily have amazing graphics--but the look and design of the titles standout. So in a way-the first A in AAA does sort of stand for graphics. Not in a technical sense like how many textures or if it uses bump mapping or not, but just Overall how the game looks on ur screen.
ddaryl
09-18-2006, 01:50 AM
So then by your logic, GTA 3-5(Vice City and San Adreas), are all AA games because they have not so great graphics or WOW is AA or lower because it does not have great graphics.
You add to my logic as you too seem to think a game must have really great graphics to be an AAA game.
Yes IMO one of the A's is definitely reserved for graphics.
But nobody said a world as large as GTA has to have graphics on par with different types of games. This is just you being a bitch.
Come down off your soap box son, and take a deep breathe and open your head a little. and stop being one of those snobby, "I'm much better then the rest of you gamers" type of person
I love graphics, and lots of games do appeal to me because of there graphical or they are un-appealing because of their lack of graphical level. If you have a problems with that too fucking bad, I represent the majority of people who buy video games and video game systems. I liek waht I liek and I don't care even a a little what you think I represent.
You can bitch whine and pound your chest, btu the reality is everyone loves the pretty games, and the pretty games will always catch more peoples attention
ALWAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Beenie Man
09-18-2006, 01:57 AM
Did you just call me a bitch because you do not agree with my opinion. I mean I would have expected a more rational response. But no, I was only expressing my opinion on how graphics are first thing people judge and rate a game and how good it will be. If you read my whole post, I stated that I am not so innocent myself. I said Resistance looked stale and ugly because of the graphics(at E3 2K6) but now I am praising the game for the jump in graphics. However, like Applefiend said, for $500-600 for a system, anybody would expect top notch graphics. But I also expect top notch gameplay technical wise(fun and engine like physics, animation, etc.) that will improve the gameplay experience and with top notch graphics that present the game immersively. I am not whining, just stating what I noticed over the past few months so don't claim I am and don't put words in my mouth saying claiming that my post is saying ''I am better than any of you gamers.'' I was only stating what I noticed over the past few months, if you do not like my post, present your disagreement in a rational way without calling certain shit because you dislike my post. If you do not like my post, then ignore it.
But anyway, the game is looking real good especally the reflections, but I wonder how the gameplay is.
Carlos
09-18-2006, 01:57 AM
I'll wait to see the game in action first. No futuristic racer has topped Wipeout or F-zero yet IMO so....
Probbably never will, unless companies start to step up their game in next gen. F-zero is hard to top at this point, since the series keep getting harder and harder by each release.
WipeOut XL cannot be matched, at this point, that's the high point of the series, as the rest of the series has gone downhill in quality, WO3 was good, but not as strong as its predessors.
I'm expecting companies to use the next generation consoles as the stepping stones for racers, especially futuristic racers.
Nodieza
09-18-2006, 02:52 PM
Some of you guys are complete graphic whores. Few months back ''Not that interesting, graphics are some of the worst of PS3.'' Or ,''Psst I'll pass on this one, I'll take Wipeout PS3 thank you.''
Now these screens come out ''wow, definately picking this game up.''
Or ''the graphical jump is amazing, can't wait to play it.''
It is becoming increasingly sad to see how people say a game will not be that great because of graphics when next gen is supposed to be about both next gen graphics(some people's standards vary) and NEXT GEN GAMEPLAY.
I am not so innocent myself though(read back on my bashing of Resistance a few months back as well as other games).
Thank god I wasn't the only one noticing everyone two facing on this game.
This game always looked "good enough" but it never made the game bad like a lot of you seemed to have thought.
It is sad that the majority wouldn't play a game that will most likely play awsome just because it doesn't look next gen. :unsure:
Props to Koei, I always had fate in you. ^.^
agentorange
09-18-2006, 03:00 PM
If only theres a new wipe out game that will be much better
Nodieza
09-18-2006, 03:13 PM
^ please why do you say that, this is a new IP with different mechanics, this thread isn't about wipe out or F zero so quit bringing it up unless comparing it to Fatal Inertia, a game in which I assuming nobody here has played.
Insane Metal
09-19-2006, 02:57 AM
Could somebody get the download link for me please ? http://www.playfrance.com/video-fatal-inertia.html
+rep to whoever make it^^
Applefiend
09-19-2006, 03:03 AM
Good video, that really shows how the game plays, a direct feed 720p version of that would go down very well. +rep
Insane Metal
09-19-2006, 03:06 AM
Good video, that really shows how the game plays, a direct feed 720p version of that would go down very well. +rep
I thought everybody had already seen this video... itīs old, its from E3 :thumpsup:
Since then the game has taken several upgrades, even the HUD is different now...
Canīt wait to see it :)
Applefiend
09-19-2006, 03:08 AM
Oh... old? bah!
EvilTaru
09-19-2006, 04:41 AM
The game should both look and play better now that they've had time to tune it since the E3 build. :3
OmniCloud
09-19-2006, 04:44 AM
old?? I've never seen it either...lol +rep anyway-U can tell the physics will be really good even from that. There's one part where the racer gotta boost or someting I dunno-but I hope the games runs at that speed-cuz it looked kinda slow for a futuristic racer in that build..
EvilTaru
09-19-2006, 04:47 AM
I think the speed can be a little faster and hopefully they will tweak it that way. :3
Nameless
09-19-2006, 04:50 AM
^ I agree the speed seems a little slow... Anyone know the frame rate on this game, because I did not get a sense of speed from that footage. It felt like I could get out of the damn ship and run faster. ;)
Hrama
09-19-2006, 06:21 AM
Seriously, I felt the same thing Nameless. I mean, even Kinetica (if anyone remembers it on PS2) and Mario Kart seemed faster than this. It should be blazing speed especially if they have motion blur like the latest screenshots have.
VG Aficionado
09-19-2006, 10:43 AM
Fellows, I've had a link to that playfrance gameplay video in the video thread since E3! I think you all should take a good look at the archive again, because I'm sure you've missed a number of things :cowboy:
lynux3
09-19-2006, 10:52 AM
I hope that footage isn't a representation of the final product. Way too slow to be fun.
BruceWayneIII
09-19-2006, 11:06 AM
I agree it seems a bit slow, however, this is not just a racer and I am sure we will be more than busy handling the battles as we go. A lot of games look easy just by watching - playing them can be a very different experience.
Insane Metal
09-19-2006, 02:22 PM
Download link anyone ? :cry2:
please !
BruceWayneIII
09-19-2006, 02:41 PM
Download link anyone ? :cry2:
please !
just to back to post #102 for the link - it's on the same page as your post.
Insane Metal
09-19-2006, 02:59 PM
just to back to post #102 for the link - it's on the same page as your post.
What ? I didnīt find it :o
ddaryl
09-19-2006, 03:30 PM
it's definitely an older build of the game, so hoepfully the sense of speed will increase before launch.
I think the speed can be a little faster and hopefully they will tweak it that way. :3
just to put it out there, this could be like RR, Wipeout and other racers where you really don't feel the speed at first. but as you progress, your veihcle gets faster and faster. by the final stages, I am zooming at speed that were the reason I originally got the games for.:)
overclocked
09-19-2006, 08:50 PM
just to put it out there, this could be like RR, Wipeout and other racers where you really don't feel the speed at first. but as you progress, your vehicle gets faster and faster. by the final stages, I am zooming at speed that were the reason I originally got the games for.:)
Uhmm speaking of WipeOut :susp: , well i think the developers said that physics would play a major part. Esp when it(if) starts to go fast.
And Welcome back Z! :grouphug:
thanks Overclocked. :)
now where is my PS3+ 85 games 'welcome me back' present?
okay, I like you, so make that with 84 games. O_o
Insane Metal
09-19-2006, 09:52 PM
No download link for me yet ? :cry2:
frosty
09-21-2006, 08:51 PM
Got loads of new (15 to be exact) still under embargo screens of Fatal Inertia. They look sweet. The embargo is up as soon as TGS starts at 8 pm central, so I will post them here then.
BruceWayneIII
09-21-2006, 09:04 PM
^^ Sounds great, I'm really looking forward to that.
frosty
09-21-2006, 09:09 PM
^Also, all the screens are 1920x1002 resolution... a slightly resized 1080p image?? Perhaps we have yet another 1080p title on our hands.
section
09-21-2006, 09:24 PM
Umm, do they look good? Please, tease us a bit. ;)
BruceWayneIII
09-21-2006, 09:24 PM
If they don't include company info at the bottom/top it's possible they were just cropped instead. A resize out of constraint would seem weird.
Insane Metal
09-21-2006, 11:40 PM
What ? It´s 6:40pm here... what time will I see the screens ? =/
frosty
09-21-2006, 11:47 PM
6 paciffic (about 3 more hours)
VG Aficionado
09-21-2006, 11:54 PM
3 hours and 5 minutes left!
frosty
09-22-2006, 12:30 AM
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1243112&postcount=38
satriales
09-22-2006, 12:38 AM
They look stunning. Nice one!
Raijin
09-22-2006, 12:46 AM
They look stunning. Nice one!
Ah? I think these look like complete ass to be honest...
Also, I guess those shots were upscaled to 1080p (hell It's not even at proper 1080p, simply because of the resolution 1920x1002 and not 1920x1080, I might be wrong though...)
frosty
09-22-2006, 12:48 AM
I doubt that, why upscale an image, making it look worse? I think they were just cropped a little.
Raijin
09-22-2006, 12:50 AM
I doubt that, why upscale an image, making it look worse? I think they were just cropped a little.
Well to be honest it happened quite a few times in the past. I doubt this game is in 1080p, imo.
CrumCon
09-22-2006, 01:14 AM
this game has been confirmed to be 720P
frosty
09-22-2006, 01:43 AM
^link?
Beenie Man
09-22-2006, 03:51 AM
I am suprised by the amount of PS3 games that are 1080p at 30fps and 60fps.
DEATHRAY
09-22-2006, 04:11 AM
im impressed with the look of the game but not the speed. jet moto had a better sense of speed than this.
Grovestreet
09-23-2006, 03:15 PM
New footage.
http://uk.media.ps3.ign.com/media/749/749967/vids_1.html
Site launched.
http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/fatal/
Insane Metal
09-23-2006, 05:59 PM
New footage.
http://uk.media.ps3.ign.com/media/749/749967/vids_1.html
Site launched.
http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/fatal/
Thank you grove !
OmniCloud
09-23-2006, 06:28 PM
=-o!!!! IS that one of the prettiest racers you've ever seen or What!!! I think the speed is almost just right-I dunno if there's a boost yet but they can't make the game go too fast then all the weapons would be too hard to use, just boost it up a little and it'll be perfect tho. Besides that-the physics are incredible. The weapons are varied. And the visuals--nuff said...Wipeout Watch out!
Actually really looking at the gameplay-It seems most of the footage was taking when people were turning and employing weapons and stuff-there's no shot of a straight away dash where u can get a sense of how the fast the game will go. I really wanna play this title!
lynux3
09-23-2006, 06:42 PM
Someone up the 4-min teaser from IGN, please. :P
dnpmakkah
09-23-2006, 06:49 PM
Nice very nice. I know the quality of the video is not the best but from what i can see, that game looks really good. It looks like Star Wars the movie when little Anikan (sp?) is in that race.
yoshaw
09-23-2006, 06:56 PM
Posted a gameplay vid in here.
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=62257
dnpmakkah
09-23-2006, 07:25 PM
Posted a gameplay vid in here.
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=62257Damn I thought that was going to be a new video. I got so excited to see it. Unfortunetly for me it's the same one from above (I see what you meant now). Oh well, this game is heading in the right direction.
Insane Metal
09-27-2006, 02:13 AM
More new screens
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/735/735456/fatal-inertia-20060926115848666.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/735/735456/fatal-inertia-20060926115843745.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/735/735456/fatal-inertia-20060926115844901.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/735/735456/fatal-inertia-20060926115846432.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/735/735456/fatal-inertia-20060926115847572.jpg
Looking REALLY good :smoke:
Pluto
09-27-2006, 03:03 AM
LOOKING GORGEOUS.
I'm in love with this game. Now slap some online play in it, and I'm there. :)
julps31
09-27-2006, 06:31 AM
Just watched the trailer on IGN and was VERY impressed. Only thing is the sense of speed is lacking IMO. This game has potential...
LaLiLuLeLo
09-27-2006, 06:45 AM
man, gonna have to pick this up, trusting the controls are good. I mean, what? Koei? Making a game that's not about china's warring ages? Or japan's feudal era? Or...or...something to do with dynasties and warriors? And it's looking impressive????
Incredible.
agentorange
09-27-2006, 08:13 AM
I still hope for a new wipeout game
PUNK em 733
09-27-2006, 08:23 AM
I'm gonna have to go with Motocross over this.
CrumCon
09-27-2006, 09:56 AM
This is just another Wipeout but racing in non-circuit
Grovestreet
11-10-2006, 05:48 PM
New screens...VERY Nice, eh?
The snowy glacier stages shown for the very first time, exclusively at the SpeedTree website.
http://www.havamedia.net/CGR/8/M/HAVAContent/Images/14000/14460.jpg
http://www.havamedia.net/CGR/8/M/HAVAContent/Images/14000/14461.jpg
http://www.havamedia.net/CGR/8/M/HAVAContent/Images/14000/14462.jpg
http://www.havamedia.net/CGR/8/M/HAVAContent/Images/14000/14463.jpg
http://www.speedtree.com/gallery/index.php?Page=70&Sort=0
:thumpsup:
Edit: Didn't notice it was already posted, Sorry.
LaLiLuLeLo
11-10-2006, 05:50 PM
Cant' wait. The graphics are on point. Let's just pray that they get controls sharp, and we'll have a hit!
VG Aficionado
11-10-2006, 05:50 PM
For a racing game where you will not be stopping to watch the landscape most of the time, and for being a first generation game by a developer who didn't seem very promising, it looks amazing!
Edit: Didn't notice it was already posted, Sorry.Just linked, not posted :-p
Bliss
11-10-2006, 09:18 PM
those pics ARE photorealistic.
I'm under total shock....this game looks too good ! It's amazing how it improved...and I'm just wondering what RSX really is....if 1st gen games already look like this.......I'm impressed by PS3 !!!!!!
Kiosko
11-10-2006, 09:57 PM
Fatal Inertia will be my first PS3 racer.
LaLiLuLeLo
11-10-2006, 10:24 PM
Oh, so they're using speedtree middleware? It's pretty friggin impressive, imo.
VG Aficionado
12-14-2006, 12:16 AM
Tons of new screenshots here (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/749/749967/imgs_1.html)
Official website here (http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/fatal/)
Coming on February 2007
OmniCloud
12-14-2006, 12:45 AM
Still Pretty....
Domination
12-14-2006, 12:56 AM
Tons of new screenshots here (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/749/749967/imgs_1.html)
Official website here (http://www.gamecity.ne.jp/fatal/)
Coming on February 2007
This game has really improved since the last time we saw it at E3. It defintely matches the the trailer.
The_One
12-14-2006, 02:12 AM
This game has really improved since the last time we saw it at E3. It defintely matches the the trailer. Seconded--This game is pulling a "Motorstorm" as well :laugh:.
Is there any official confirmation as to how many players will be supported split-screen style? This seems like a very fun game for a multiplayer gaming party.
Killing Moon
12-14-2006, 04:08 AM
This game has really improved since the last time we saw it at E3. It defintely matches the the trailer.
Seconded--This game is pulling a "Motorstorm" as well :laugh:.
Is there any official confirmation as to how many players will be supported split-screen style? This seems like a very fun game for a multiplayer gaming party.
Yeeeeaaaaaaaaah, but unfortunately now it's revealed to be a whored title. Poor Koei, down the tubes again.
20-bucks, childreeeeeeeeen!! :shrug:
curryking1
12-14-2006, 05:26 AM
I still think this game looks pretty crummy. I don't think it deserves to be breathed in the same sentence as Motorstorm lol.
jaxmkii
12-14-2006, 05:54 AM
I still think this game looks pretty crummy. I don't think it deserves to be breathed in the same sentence as Motorstorm lol.
QFT.
its just another example of why multiplatforing sux:cowboy:
Shadow Voa
12-14-2006, 06:19 AM
^ Why cause as soon as you find out it's no longer exclusive, the "mysterious" symptoms of why this game no longer is good set in?
This is Assassin Creed all over again, the game looks fine and I'm sure it will play just fine as well. Face it, securing exclusives is tough stuff and if you want the games you got to step up and throw down the cash...
julps31
12-14-2006, 06:29 AM
Assassins Creed all over again? I don't remember anybody talking down about it after it when multi-platform. Sure we don't talk about it as much as we would be its still on my list for anticipated next-gen titles. And i'm sure when theres another preview it'll be posted here.
frosty
12-14-2006, 06:31 AM
The multi-platform argument is moot in this case, as development began as a PS3 title, therefore it is more likley to take advantage of PS3's abilities than say, FNR3.
Shadow Voa
12-14-2006, 06:36 AM
^ Another good point, and yeah there were people that were taking shots at AC after the announcement of a 360 game as well.
frosty
12-14-2006, 06:45 AM
And to hate on a title just because it's out on 360 is foolish anyway, as 360 is still a very capable machine. If you think GeoW is the best it can do, well, that's like saying Munch's Oddyssey is the best Xbox could do... until a game like Chronicles of Riddick comes along and bitch-slaps that notion. We're only a year into it's life cycle. Will 360 hit it's ceiling first? most likley. But until that happens, don't complain because a game is being made to also run on it.
Kabbage
12-14-2006, 06:46 AM
Sure we know that it did... where is the link saying PS3 development started first.
Uninteresting games can still be called uninteresting when they go multiplatform.
That doesnt mean it going multiplatform makes it uninteresting... it was uninteresting as a damn exclusive.
Just Like AC4.
Kabbage
12-14-2006, 07:05 AM
I guess going multiplat is the only thing that makes it uninteresting and not:
1) Making a game that isnt going to push the envelop on any of the consoles it is on
2) Koei being notorious for phoning it on on the games that it makes Dynasty Warrior 6: Extreme Samurai Legend Warriors 2 for example.
3) How much gameplay have we seen that looks worthy of calling the game interesting.
The same can be said about Bladestorm...Uninteresting strategy game that can no longer be called uninteresting because it is now multiplatform and any uninteresting claims will be shot down as platform bias fanboyism.
HAHAHA:laugh:
Shadow Voa
12-14-2006, 07:13 AM
@ Frosty
I expect nothing less from you Frosy, respectable post as usual.
+ rep
curryking1
12-14-2006, 07:57 AM
@ShadowVoa - trust me, I don't hate on the game because it's on the 360 now. I still think Assassin's Creed is one of the best looking games coming out soon. It being multiplatform hasn't changed my view of it at all. It's not like now I hate the gameplay or anything now either. I still love how they are putting in that cool crowd stuff and how the are trying to make the castle environments very interactive (scaling walls and stuff).
Like come on man... you're making me cry... lol!
I was really excited for this game when they showed the CG because I thought it could actually look like that first trailer. Ever since I saw the first screenshot of this game though.. I was like... Ok.... this looks pretty awful...
Koei seems to be a pretty... not great dev also.... at least they have hot booth babes!
I'm very much with Frosty also.
Carlos wrote:
"Probbably never will, unless companies start to step up their game in next gen. F-zero is hard to top at this point, since the series keep getting harder and harder by each release.
WipeOut XL cannot be matched, at this point, that's the high point of the series, as the rest of the series has gone downhill in quality, WO3 was good, but not as strong as its predessors.
I'm expecting companies to use the next generation consoles as the stepping stones for racers, especially futuristic racers."
This reminded me of a old ps game called rollcage (there also is a "rollcage 2"), if I remember well. It was certainly not as popular as wipeout, but it was very good and considered even better by many. It recieved high score reviews as well.
On topic: FI has obviously been improved grately in terms of graphics wich is good, but I agree with Beenie Man. The game play is what counts the most and especially a recer like this needs to get that right. This tittle has potential and I have expactations for it.
VG Aficionado
12-14-2006, 11:07 AM
Sure we know that it did... where is the link saying PS3 development started first.Fatal Inertia was first shown at TGS 2005, and gameplay was demonstrated up and running last year on PS3, albeit it looked to be very early in development. FI for 360 was announced very recently, there is no release date for it, there is no media at all... FI for PS3 will be out in two months and has been playable since E3 this year. Take all these facts for what it's worth.
ddaryl
12-14-2006, 11:14 AM
Sure we know that it did... where is the link saying PS3 development started first.
VG is right, this game has been built from the ground up for the PS3. It will then be ported to the Xbox 360.
Kabbage
12-14-2006, 11:38 AM
VG is right, this game has been built from the ground up for the PS3. It will then be ported to the Xbox 360.Again where is the proof to that.
I can say I'm right and have it hold just as much weight as what you are saying. Why would Koei be any different from any other developer and start their product in the easier development environment then make it work on the harder platform.
VG Aficionado
12-14-2006, 12:07 PM
Again where is the proof to that.Here (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1102136&postcount=1). Fatal Inertia running on PS3: showcasing demo at TGS 2005 and playable demo at E3 2006.
At this moment, FI is just an announcement on 360. If it had started development around the same time as the PS3 version, we would have seen something already. KOEI went multiplatform very recently and the best way to show it would be posting screenshots of their games on other platforms. And they haven't. There aren't even release dates for other versions either.
The absence of 360 proof is no evidence of existence by any means, and believing the contrary is nonsense. Take these facts for what they're worth!
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