Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[VG Aficionado]

LMAO! :laugh:

I didn't intend to sound harsh before, but jax, please think twice before posting like that, because it's quite obvious we're huge MGS fans and we are well aware of what's available :-p

[makeitlookreal]

I'm going to wait until they provide us with the real HD clip. Quite frankly, I appreciate the weaker clips but it's frustrating to get such tiny little clips.

I wish Kojima would at least let those magazines have their exclusive and then after a week or two give us the real footage.

I really do appreciate everyone that is making an effort to get the clips.

[VG Aficionado]

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[LaLiLuLeLo]

That's yo assss, mister postman.
hahaha....or in this case, mr. guerrilla fighter.

Man, why is this game SOOO beyond the others...jeeezus.

[Nameless]

Notice how every NPC looks different!
That would always bother me with other games that anytime you have numerous characters on screen you would always notice twins...

The character design is superb, considering each individual looks different. It makes watching the massacre more powerful, it's like damn that dude got fucked up...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

"Is he dead?"
"Nah, he's just fucked up!"

hahahha

[Nameless]

"Is he dead?"
"Nah, he's just fucked up!"

hahahha
LMAO!!!

[VG Aficionado]

Posting again :)

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Latest HD video, only new parts (229 MB). (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6QUDGB1V)

I edited the HD video (dropped the second part because we had it already, didn't we? :)) and upped it to megaupload. Took some time :) But man it looks good in HD.

Don't know how many times it's already put up somewhere already but this video is simply totally amazing. In a way that everybody needs to see it. At least 5 times.

[VG Aficionado]

Latest HD video, only new parts (229 MB). (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6QUDGB1V)Added to the video archive thread, and you've been +repped :)

[Raijin]

For those who have a weak PC and cant read properly 720p videos, here's a link to the 640x360 version:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AEOF9VQP

[section]

Added to the video archive thread, and you've been +reppedOh, thanks.

What I've been very happy about with the new videos is how they've implemented a lot better facial animation system than which they utilized in E3'05 trailer. It seems to allow very refined expressions, amazement, anger, fear and so on. As you can see at the poor guy's face when a Gekko starts to move towards him.

The expression on Snake's face when he dropped his cigarette in the earlier trailer was almost priceless :)

[Fazares]

i d say the last screen looks quite ugly though..

[VG Aficionado]

i d say the last screen looks quite ugly though..Yeah, let's ignore all the greatness and just focus on what looks bad even considering it's a close-up of a very short scene during an action-packed sequence :duh:

[Fazares]

Yeah, let's ignore all the greatness and just focus on what looks bad even considering it's a close-up of a very short scene during an action-packed sequence :duh:
looks bad nonetheless....so the soldiers cloth textures...

[makeitlookreal]

What I'm looking forward to at TGS is seeing the latest model of SOLID SNAKE. That is what's going to be amazing. If they can take the art work of E3 and combine it will the bump mapping and realism of TGS Snake is going to look simply stunning.

[VG Aficionado]

looks bad nonetheless....so the soldiers cloth textures...Yes, we all know it's easier to complain about details than to acknowledge the whole thing, we don't need you to remind us over and over again :doh:

[Fazares]

What I'm looking forward to at TGS is seeing the latest model of SOLID SNAKE. That is what's going to be amazing. If they can take the art work of E3 and combine it will the bump mapping and realism of TGS Snake is going to look simply stunning.
hmmm...they look almost the same,to me...bump mapping included:shrug:
Yes, we all know it's easier to complain about details than to acknowledge the whole thing, we don't need you to remind us over and over again :doh:
this isnt the point...
btw mgs4 gfx have still a long way to go....they could use more bump mapping for example...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

wait wait wait, what exactly is ugly about that bottom screen?

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hmmm...they look almost the same,to me...bump mapping included:shrug:

this isnt the point...
btw mgs4 gfx have still a long way to go....they could use more bump mapping for example...

Fazares you aren't making any sense.
They could use more bump mapping? In what way exactly? Do you know what kind of material his clothes are supposed to be made out of? Is everything supposed to be extremely bumpy looking in games, even if the material it's portraying isn't bumpy?

What the hell.
and sorry for the double post.

[Fazares]

Fazares you aren't making any sense.
They could use more bump mapping? In what way exactly? Do you know what kind of material his clothes are supposed to be made out of? Is everything supposed to be extremely bumpy looking in games, even if the material it's portraying isn't bumpy?

What the hell.
and sorry for the double post.
i didnt intend the clothing....
though they could use better textures for the clothes as well...

[VG Aficionado]

i didnt intend the clothing....
though they could use better textures for the clothes as well...Sony could add 4 GB of video RAM with 10 times more bandwidth, and Kojima Productions could just put a single character in the whole scene with all of the memory and bandwidth available while rendering him at 1 fps to show textures that would make your eyeballs explode, but hey, this is the real world!

[Fazares]

Sony could add 4 GB of video RAM with 10 times more bandwidth, and Kojima Productions could just put a single character in the whole scene with all of the memory and bandwidth available while rendering him at 1 fps to show textures that would make your eyeballs explode, but hey, this is the real world!
we dont need this...really....gekkos textures are still better though they need a bit of bump mapping..
btw if u think i can only make bad appointments...i can tell u i did appreciate the new motion blur effect in the leizpig video:hugegrin:
but i want them to at last show another video showing the main characters...they look next gen enough to me,at least...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Fazares you just sound like you like being disagreeable. And not for the sake of constructive criticism, but just to be an ornery old bastard. And as far as I'm concerned they're the best looking disposable NPCs I've ever seen.

And what the hell does 'needs more bump mapping' mean? Do you even know what you're talking about?

[Fazares]

Fazares you just sound like you like being disagreeable. And not for the sake of constructive criticism, but just to be an ornery old bastard.
its just your impression...i m just frank...

And what the hell does 'needs more bump mapping' mean? Do you even know what you're talking about?
yes i know....

[VG Aficionado]

Phew, I almost thought Fazares was another all-whining member :) Just wait until TGS man, and please try to be a bit more positive.

Wow, 3001 posts, 151 pages... and the title still hasn't been properly renamed from "Mgs4" to "MGS4"!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well pleeeease explain what 'more bump mapping means'.
I'm just a little miffed that the best looking game out there doesn't look good enough to you. What's your bar of comparison?

If it's your imagination, then....I don't know what to tell you.

[Fazares]

Well pleeeease explain what 'more bump mapping means'.
I'm just a little miffed that the best looking game out there doesn't look good enough to you. What's your bar of comparison?

If it's your imagination, then....I don't know what to tell you.
i didnt say it doesnt look good enough to me...dont manipulate my words...
best looking game.....highly debatable....good looking game...not debatable...

[Nameless]

i didnt say it doesnt look good enough to me...dont manipulate my words...
best looking game.....highly debatable....good looking game...not debatable...
I would like to hear your definition of Bump Mapping...
(I can explain the concept if you run into problems...)

[Fazares]

I would like to hear your definition of Bump Mapping...
(I can explain the concept if you run into problems...)
i d like to hear yours first:thumbl:

[Nameless]

i d like to hear yours first:thumbl:
LOL...

[Fazares]

LOL...
i wasnt joking....i will correct u if needed...:smile:

[Nameless]

Simply put, Bump Mapping provides additional details to a surface.
Actually it adds what appears to be surface roughness. Instead of using additional polys, bump mapping can provide the minute details to objects (like the cloth in the uniforms you complained about...)

I'm not sure if you have seen the HD footage, but I would agree with many in these forums that MGS4 is the best looking realtime images seen to date.

If you would like to elaborate on my explanation of bump mapping feel free. Peace

[Fazares]

Simply put, Bump Mapping provides additional details to a surface.
Actually it adds what appears to be surface roughness. Instead of using additional polys, bump mapping can provide the minute details to objects (like the cloth in the uniforms you complained about...)

I'm not sure if you have seen the HD footage, but I would agree with many in these forums that MGS4 is the best looking realtime images seen to date.

If you would like to elaborate on my explanation of bump mapping feel free. Peace
congrats....i already knew what u posted....what kind of bump mapping explanation do u think i could give to u...?:lol:
i own moto gp 2006 on the xbox360 and i know its shortcomings and its strong points...

[makeitlookreal]

What I meant by more bump mapping is that in the TGS MGS4 trailer Snake's face was a little more graphically realistic. It looked more like *reality* and I have read online that it was obvious a lot of detailed bump mapping was helping to do that. Then if you fast forward to E3 of 2006 Snake's character model changed. It still looked VERY GOOD, but maybe lost a little DETAIL but ARTISTICALLY looked even better. The new artistic design of his face simply looked better.

What I am saying is that if they could use the NEW model of Snake with the *slightly* better detail we saw at TGS then it would be an even BETTER model all together.

EDIT: If anyone doesn't like the fact that some of us are expecting the game to look even BETTER than what we saw at E3 of 2006 please remember KOJIMA's PROMISE at E3 that the final version would have GREATLY ENHANCED GRAPHICS.

[Nameless]

congrats....i already knew what u posted....what kind of bump mapping explanation do u think i could give to u...?:lol:
i own moto gp 2006 on the xbox360 and i know its shortcomings and its strong points...
You sir are an idiot and I rarely make statements like that...:smirk:

[Fazares]

What I meant by more bump mapping is that in the TGS MGS4 trailer Snake's face was a little more graphically realistic. It looked more like *reality* and I have read online that it was obvious a lot of detailed bump mapping was helping to do that. Then if you fast forward to E3 of 2006 Snake's character model changed. It still looked VERY GOOD, but maybe lost a little DETAIL but ARTISTICALLY looked even better. The new artistic design of his face simply looked better.

What I am saying is that if they could use the NEW model of Snake with the *slightly* better detail we saw at TGS then it would be an even BETTER model all together.

EDIT: If anyone doesn't like the fact that some of us are expecting the game to look even BETTER than what we saw at E3 of 2006 please remember KOJIMA's PROMISE that the final version would have GREATLY ENHANCED GRAPHICS.
hmmm...i took a look at my e3 2006 mgs4 pic showing snake and otacon....and the face looked just as detailed as the tgs2005 one...

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You sir are an idiot and I rarely make statements like that...:smirk:
wtf???
want a cookie for knowing the obvious dont u....?:buldge:
sorry for the double post...

[Fats]

Can I have a Cookie?

*Belly rumbles*

[Fazares]

Can I have a Cookie?

*Belly rumbles*
what kind of cookies do u like?:pleased:

[Sephiroth_VII]

Fazares, please post a pic of a console game with better graphics, and then we'll talk.

Not to mention provide an example of your idea of good quality for bump maps, keeping in mind that this is a mass-produced goon, and that they most likely will have 50-60 of them on-screen at once, plus some Gekko's, and a very demanding model of Snake.

Thanks.

[Fazares]

Fazares, please post a pic of a console game with better graphics, and then we'll talk.

Not to mention provide an example of your idea of good quality for bump maps, keeping in mind that this is a mass-produced goon, and that they most likely will have 50-60 of them on-screen at once, plus some Gekko's, and a very demanding model of Snake.

Thanks.
heavenly sword is my example....
btw kojima said the gfx will improve so...

[makeitlookreal]

Kojima said the graphics would GREATLY improve.

[Fazares]

Kojima said the graphics would GREATLY improve.
i trust kojima...just like u...hesnt sony...after all....:cheers:

[yoshaw]

Kojima said the graphics would GREATLY improve.
Can you provide a link where Kojima said that? Just curious you see.

[solidsnakejej]

Here (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/gallery/galleries/8.%20Scans/Magazine%20Scans/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%204/949.jpg) Yoshaw. The graphics will get better because they have atleast 8 more months and I believe they have said that they are still working on getting all the HD textures into the game so it will look better.

[Sephiroth_VII]

heavenly sword is my example....
btw Kojima said the gfx will improve so...
I, too believe that the graphics will be better by the time MGS4 is released, but I disagree that HS looks better now.

Give me a screenshot of the HS heroine fighting that looks better than Snake from the E3 trailer, please. :pirate:

[solidsnakejej]

I don't think that you can compare the two games because they are two very different games and two different art styles.

[makeitlookreal]

"GREATLY ENHANCE THE VISUALS OF THE FINAL PRODUCT"

That is the key statement.

[venomv]

Art style makes a compairison of the two kinda stupid though, one could say they like the look of Heavenly Sword better, and you can't argue with them.

[Nameless]

It seems like all the threads are going sideways lately...
What's the point of comparing HS to MGS4 just does not make a lot of sense.

I was hoping all the negativity would not pollute the MGS threads, but I was incorrect. TGS can't get here fast enough, it could just lead to more pointless bickering.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

when did kojima say they would greatly improve? I remember him saying they would 'be even better' but he never gave some measurable number or scale to go by, or what the details would go into. Are you forgetting the part about him saying he was going to focus a lot of attention on things that you couldn't see? Did you consider that graphics also includes framerate, animation, collision detection (always a bitch) and lots of other subtleties besides polygons and texture mapping that aren't immediately distinguishable in screenshots?


ANYWAY.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Here (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/gallery/galleries/8.%20Scans/Magazine%20Scans/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%204/949.jpg), LaLilLuLeLo.

[yoshaw]

Here (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/gallery/galleries/8.%20Scans/Magazine%20Scans/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%204/949.jpg) Yoshaw. The graphics will get better because they have atleast 8 more months and I believe they have said that they are still working on getting all the HD textures into the game so it will look better.

Thanks. But I wouldn't really venture into the greatness when Kojima has already proven MGS4 is TEH HOTNESS!!!! lol ;)

I'd be surprised if he could get MGS4 anymore visually appealing that what it already is. I mean GOD, IMO, it beats the shit out of any game I've seen including the oh so hyped pop n stop shooter from the other spectrum.

Fingers crossed for this great enhancement MILR n likeminded are expecting. I personally wouldn't really care if it happens or not as in its present state anyone can see it is above anything else without a doubt IMO.

[overclocked]

I have a request, small or big depending on interest regarding the three MGS titles. p1 on PS One and p2 and p3 on PS2.
Would appreciate if you could PM me to keep the thread rolling.

[Fazares]

It seems like all the threads are going sideways lately...
What's the point of comparing HS to MGS4 just does not make a lot of sense.

I was hoping all the negativity would not pollute the MGS threads, but I was incorrect. TGS can't get here fast enough, it could just lead to more pointless bickering.
really, i was talking about gfx....objectively....the art style doesnt matter...
I, too believe that the graphics will be better by the time MGS4 is released, but I disagree that HS looks better now.

Give me a screenshot of the HS heroine fighting that looks better than Snake from the E3 trailer, please. :pirate:
i was talking about the npc not the main chars...
Here (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/gallery/galleries/8.%20Scans/Magazine%20Scans/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%204/949.jpg) Yoshaw. The graphics will get better because they have atleast 8 more months and I believe they have said that they are still working on getting all the HD textures into the game so it will look better.
ur post made my day....if they will get all the hd textures(npc particularly)then...we can start talking about it as the best looking game to date....

[solidsnakejej]

Snake is in the GC trailer at about 39 sec and almost gets hit by the truck. Found by JitsuX (http://www.metalgearsolid.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=246462#246462) of MGS:TUS forums
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v430/j_d_e_p/SnakeGCTrailer.png

[chrismt]

ZOMG.

He gets hit within the first 30 minutes and you play the rest of the game as Sub-Zero.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Lol. You have good eyes, jej. I've been looking for him, but I couldn't find him.

+Rep.

[VG Aficionado]

Great find! I guess someone has scrutinized the trailer already frame by frame.

Just before that truck hits the gate, can you hear a shot breaking glass? Then take a look at the windscreen on the truck that almost hits Snake. Hmmm...

[Sephiroth_VII]

Yeah! Snake must've shot the driver! Maybe to use them as a distraction for Liquid's troops?

I wonder if this'll be revealed in the TGS trailer, or maybe even be a part of the final game!

[masteratt]

Uh-Oh!
Is Snake fighting both sides!? =-o

[Nameless]

Good eye, Snake almost got trucked...

[Fazares]

i saw the gc trailer at gs and the still image(before u start the buffering) was snake e3 2006 face...but sharper...wtf...?
http://www.gamespot.com/

[VG Aficionado]

Nah, I guess it was a sniper and Snake was reminded once again that there's no place to hide ;)

[LiquidEagle]

It's cool how a few frames after the bullet breaks the windshield you can see blood spatters on the driver's window. Rawked.

Anyhoo, I only see something resembling Snake's character model's back for like 4 frames as this guy avoids the truck. I didn't see him after that, and I don't think it's necessarily him. Even so, it really isn't that big of a deal.

Wow, this game looks more impressive than any movie I've ever seen.

Of course I could say that about every MGS :laugh:

Counting to TGS!!

[PUNK em 733]

IMHO if MGS4's graphics stay the way they are now, we should worship at Kojima's feet, if they get even better, by a great deal or a slightly, we should pray to him instead of god.:tardbang:

[Nameless]

Since we are waiting on TGS for some new MGS4 info, let's take a looks at some of the characters and memorable moments from MGS2. (MGS4 is actually the sequel to MGS2, since MGS3 was a prequel...)

If you have never played MGS2 SPOILER ALERT!!!!
Enjoy!

Tanker Start
http://www.mgstus.org/downloads/cutscenes/mgs2/01_tanker_start.wmv
Olga Battle
http://www.mgstus.org/downloads/cutscenes/mgs2/03_olga_battle.wmv
Ocelot
http://www.mgstus.org/downloads/cutscenes/mgs2/04_ocelot_backstabbing.wmv
Snake's death?
http://www.mgstus.org/downloads/cutscenes/mgs2/05_tanker_end.wmv
Raiden's Intro
http://www.mgstus.org/downloads/cutscenes/mgs2/07_introducing_raiden.wmv
Vamp's Intro
http://www.mgstus.org/downloads/cutscenes/mgs2/08_vamp_vs_seals.wmv
Fortune's Intro
http://www.mgstus.org/downloads/cutscenes/mgs2/11_fortune_vs_seals.wmv
Return of the Ninja
http://www.mgstus.org/downloads/cutscenes/mgs2/15_ocelot_meets_ninja_again.wmv
Vamp Battle
http://www.mgstus.org/downloads/cutscenes/mgs2/18_vamp_battle.wmv
Fortune VS Snake
http://www.mgstus.org/downloads/cutscenes/mgs2/25_snake_vs_fortune.wmv
Fight to the Death & the birth of the new raiden
http://www.mgstus.org/downloads/cutscenes/mgs2/29_solidus_battle.wmv

[LiquidEagle]

Very nice. Is that all the scenes they have though?

The harrier fight/Ray's re-emergence is one of my favorite scenes for sure, and I also think Snake's speech to Raiden and after the credits is very important too.

There's also plenty of dialogue on top of Arsenal Gear that's very important :D

Very nice though. +rep :)

[Nameless]

Nah... I was tempted to post all the scenes, but decided to post some of the most memorable moments...

[VG Aficionado]

It's cool how a few frames after the bullet breaks the windshield you can see blood spatters on the driver's window. Rawked.I noticed that too :hugegrin: Too cool!

[makeitlookreal]

MGS4 sure is a big leap from MGS2!

[Nameless]

MGS4 sure is a big leap from MGS2!
It's obvious you are not a real MGS fan, so please stop pretending...
The point of the cut scenes was to recap the story and get all the real fans hyped for MGS4 I could care less about discussing the graphics of MGS2, because for the time the game was released it was incredible and ahead of it's time...

[Nameless]

Also, for all you Grey Fox (Cyber Ninja) fans here's some footage from MGS Twin Snakes since Grey Fox only had a cameo appearance in MGS2.
Perhaps Grey Fox could make an appearance in MGS4 and have a battle with Raiden, that would be fucking amazing...

Cyber Ninja putting in some work...
http://www.mgstus.org/downloads/cutscenes/mgs_tts/05_Massacre.wmv
Octacon & Snake meet the ninja
http://www.mgstus.org/downloads/cutscenes/mgs_tts/06_PreNinja.wmv
Snake VS Grey Fox (Snake is a bad ass!)
http://www.mgstus.org/downloads/cutscenes/mgs_tts/07_PostNinja.wmv

[OmniCloud]

+rep Nameless....Good trip down memory lane...Please don't let Snake die:(

I got it!!! Maybe Snake doesn't Really die in MGS4-but he grows weary of being a hero and feels in the end it's just pointless--thus creating theh new BIG BOSS!!!-speculation...

[Beenie Man]

I never played any of the MGS series. I might try to play from 1-3 and Twin Solid to understand the story in MGS4.

[Nameless]

I never played any of the MGS series. I might try to play from 1-3 and Twin Solid to understand the story in MGS4.
Twin Snakes was released on the Game Cube (remake of MGS), you would need to play MGS on the PS2 if you don't have a Game Cube (MGS was a PSone game).

I would suggest playing MGS3 first (it's a prequel to MGS), then play MGS & MGS2. If you don't mind seeing some old school graphics the games are very enjoyable and MGS3 still is a good looking title... :usa:

PS: If you just want to learn more about the story line check out the links below:
MGS3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_3
Metal Gear
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_%28video_game%29
MGS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid
MGS2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_2:_Sons_of_Liberty

[Goki]

NAMELES +REP

Please would you be able to post some MGS scenes from PSone, I wanna see whether im just imaginnig things or that MGS1 has the best voice acting in the whole series. Damn this stuff brings memories, too bad my ps2 is broke i really wanna play Snake eater again

[Sephiroth_VII]

I'd say that you should play the games in the same order as they were published.

You just won't get the same out of MGS3 without MGS2, lol!!

[Nameless]

Goki,
Here's some memorable scenes from MGS on PSone...

Once again spoiler alert for anyone who plans to play MGS or Twin Snakes!

http://www.metalgearsolid.org/show_downloads.php?id=639

[Nameless]

I'd say that you should play the games in the same order as they were published.

You just won't get the same out of MGS3 without MGS2, lol!!
Seph, You make a good point, perhaps you should play MGS2 before MGS3, because several subtle jokes are in MGS3 based on stuff from MGS2... If you are strictly looking for story line you can play MGS3 first.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Yeah, but who would miss the chance to laugh at pre-ninja-Raiden?

[Goki]

Goki,
Here's some memorable scenes from MGS on PSone...

Once again spoiler alert for anyone who plans to play MGS or Twin Snakes!

http://www.metalgearsolid.org/show_downloads.php?id=639


Sniff Sniff,


Look at the vid "Grey fox dies" at the end of it, when snake shouts out "Foooox"

Compare that to the vid "Tanker end" in MGS2 where Otacon after snakes gets drowned goes "Snaake"

The difference is staggering in quality of voice actors, MGS has had the biggest effect on me of all the series due to its cinematic likeness, voice acting plays a huge role in that.

[Nameless]

Sniff Sniff,


Look at the vid "Grey fox dies" at the end of it, when snake shouts out "Foooox"

Compare that to the vid "Tanker end" in MGS2 where Otacon after snakes gets drowned goes "Snaake"

The difference is staggering in quality of voice actors, MGS has had the biggest effect on me of all the series due to its cinematic likeness, voice acting plays a huge role in that.
I'm not sure if Grey Fox really died because he made a cameo in MGS2 and saved Raiden's life... There's still hope he could show up in MGS4 based on the timeline he should not be that old...

[solidsnakejej]

Olga was the one in the cyborg suit in MGS2. Grey Fox is dead and should stay dead because it would just ruin his death in MGS1.

[Nameless]

My bad you are correct it was not the real Cyber ninja in MGS2...
I guess it was wishful thinking, because seeing Grey Fox and Ninja Raiden battle would be great!

[Smokey]

i love this Thread memories aaahhh :)

[solidsnakejej]

Hopefully Grey Fox might be a secret character in MGO.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Grey Fox is pretty much immortal. They can just repair his body again, and everything will be just fine.

[Smokey]

just watched MGS2 intro again, my god i remember getting chills watching it i used to watch it all the time. the best intro to a video game ever!!!!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah it is pretty friggin boss.

[Matt]

just watched MGS2 intro again, my god i remember getting chills watching it i used to watch it all the time. the best intro to a video game ever!!!!

Yea man that was absolutely amazing when it came out. I'm very confident this one will have the same effect as the others.

[agentorange]

After seeing the new HD vid my hopes for MSS 4 is back again. The old video when you watch it looks like the games graphic have been downgraded. But in HD it looks good

[TEEDA]

took some screencaps from the 3 minutes only GC2006 MGS4 720 trailer :

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/143/bscap0000qs1.jpg
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/3581/bscap0001xj6.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1091/bscap0002rj5.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7399/bscap0003bw3.jpg
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2640/bscap0004ly8.jpg

[Nameless]

Once again the NPCs are the most detailed I have seen in any title to date...
I have yet to see a duplicate character and that's a first, they actually cheat with the soldiers since they have mask to cover their faces.

[dnpmakkah]

Wow...something about this picture looks so good. The colors look so vivid. Just look at that jacket. The ripples in it makes it look like you can just reach out and grab it. I know many people harp on the monotone color scheme but it looks amazing in my eyes. This level that we keep seeing seems to be taking place in the desert, which by all accounts will have that yellowish haze to it. I hope this game has an awesome soundtrack.
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/3581/bscap0001xj6.jpg

[LaLiLuLeLo]

um, it's a metal gear game. OF COURSE IT WILL HAVE AN AWESOME SOUNDTRACK.

Every inch of every metal gear game oozes pollish.

[dnpmakkah]

^ Yep, I'm sure it will. I remember playing MGS3 and climbing that ladder. Everything went quiet and all you could hear was Snakes footsteps as he climbed up. Then the song started playing...."what a thrill....." It was perfect.

[Matt]

um, it's a metal gear game. OF COURSE IT WILL HAVE AN AWESOME SOUNDTRACK.

Every inch of every metal gear game oozes pollish.

Are they using the same guy who did the music for the previous games?

[solidsnakejej]

Well nothing about the soundtrack has been announced but Nobuko Toda did the music in the trailers so far. No word on whether Harry Gregson-Williams or Norihiko Hibino will be involved in MGS4.

[makeitlookreal]

I don't care if they use filtering in the game, but just hope the whole game does not use one filter. I want the game to adjust accordingly to the different settings and situations. For example, if he is stuck in the middle of the desert and dying of thirst I don't want the world to look hazy. I want the bright sun to be shining.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

don't worry milr, kojima and his team know what they're doing. no need to even worry about such things.

[Nameless]

MILR is not a real MGS fan he just jumped on the bandwagon, because it's currently the most visually appealling PS3 title.

MILR you should really play some of the older MGS titles, it will give you a true appreciation of MGS4 and team Kojima...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yeah I know.:dazed: :speechles :duh:
it's too bad, really.

[yoshaw]

Are they using the same guy who did the music for the previous games?

Harry Gregson Williams will be back. No doubt about it. He was in MGS3 but not as heavily active as the previous game. Konami had one of their own sound designer working along with him. 'Snake Eater' the MGS3 theme song was composed by this new konami dude.

I'd bet Harry Gregson williams will be back for the 4th one as it is the last in the series(according to Kojima). So he'd be wanting to use the best of the best in the industry. And for those who don't know Harry's work. He's one of Hollywood's pioneer music directors who worked on amazing movies such as,

-The Rock
-The Replacement Killers (my fav. HGW movie)
-Kingdom of Heaven
-Enemy of the State
-Shrek series
-Phone Booth
-Spy Game
-Broken Arrow
-Chronicles of Narnia(2005) and many more

So again, those who don't know, Konami's been using a Hollywood music composer to represent Solid Snake all this while(from MGS2 on PS2 to date).

Edit: mistake, ty VG

[VG Aficionado]

Since MGS1? I thought his first score on the series was MGS2's.

[yoshaw]

Bah >.< Yes Yes I meant MGS2. corrected! thanks.

[Sephiroth_VII]

I don't care if they use filtering in the game, but just hope the whole game does not use one filter. I want the game to adjust accordingly to the different settings and situations. For example, if he is stuck in the middle of the desert and dying of thirst I don't want the world to look hazy. I want the bright sun to be shining.
Kojima told us this directly in an interview. He said that not all the locations in the E3 trailer were in the middle east, but he had applied the same filter to make the audience believe that they were.

If you want the link, I'll find it for you when I get home.

[VG Aficionado]

We've been through the "I don't want the whole game to look the same all the time" discussion over and over again. Kill it now.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yes. PLEASE.

[Smokey]

they could use turd as a filter MILR & it would be awsome :)

[section]

On a bit different note I finished MGS2 - Sons of Liberty yesterday night for the first time. And boy was it one helluva experience :)

So now I'm waiting MGS4 anxiously knowing a lot more about Kojima's wonderfully twisted plots, excellent character portraying skills and steady quality as a director.

[Smokey]

On a bit different note I finished MGS2 - Sons of Liberty yesterday night for the first time. And boy was it one helluva experience :)

So now I'm waiting MGS4 anxiously knowing a lot more about Kojima's wonderfully twisted plots, excellent character portraying skills and steady quality as a director.
have you played MGS or MGS3 yet?. IMO MGS on ps1 is what makes you love the Series but MGS2 is an awsome game.

[cliffbo]

they could use turd as a filter MILR & it would be awsome :)

:nono:

[Smokey]

:nono:
lol

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Speaking of metal gear solid 2. I think everyone who has played it should read
this article (http://www.insertcredit.com/features/dreaming2/index.html) critiquing, or discussing mgs 1 and 2 as post modern art. It's pretty great reading.

[Smokey]

Speaking of metal gear solid 2. I think everyone who has played it should read
this article (http://www.insertcredit.com/features/dreaming2/index.html) critiquing, or discussing mgs 1 and 2 as post modern art. It's pretty great reading.
good read LaLiLuLeLo2003, i think im going to have to play MGS2 again (played it a million times already :)) makes me want to go through & read even deeper :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Shoot, I've read that article at least 5 or 6 times.

[Matt]

I just went through the first game recently. I don't think I had gone through it since it first came out. Got me right back into the series. Now, time to get another copy of MGS2.....

Cool article btw.

[Smokey]

read even deeper
sorry i meant read into the game even deeper as i play :)
I just went through the first game recently
me too

[makeitlookreal]

In the Metal Gear Solid series do you ever get to control vehicles?

[cliffbo]

In the Metal Gear Solid series do you ever get to control vehicles?

MILR get the Snake Eater and take out 'The End' then you will understand Kojima

[Epix]

In the Metal Gear Solid series do you ever get to control vehicles?

Dude, seriously. We should all chip in like $.50 and get MILR a MGS game.

[Gaul]

or we can take turns beating his ass until he buys one without wasting our money.....
...
...
...
Shake n Bake!


But seriously guys i mean cmon... everyone knows if you cant control vehicles in a game, it obviously sucks ass ;) :)

[yoshaw]

or we can take turns beating his ass until he buys one without wasting our money.....

I don't care if he buys mgs or not but can I participate in this feast of knuckles for other reasons :king: hehe


j/k

[Sephiroth_VII]

Great article. Also, as he says, start reading Haruki Murakami. He's a great writer!

[solidsnakejej]

Just to give a heads up there might be info in next week's Famitsu.
http://www.metalgearsolid.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=247430#247430

[Sephiroth_VII]

Like they say, it'll be released around TGS, so new info is expected!

[LiquidEagle]

I looked into the article a little bit, but I really don't need any convincing that Metal Gear is an extraordinary piece of art on many levels. I don't really see it as that awkward piece of post-modern art that writer sees it as though -- it's wonderful storytelling with suspense, drama, romance, humor, and any other great part of a story told through amazing characters as they convey wonderful themes. The music and the art direction combine even more forms of art into one higher level piece of work that shines like nothing else.

Of course, Kojima has said before that games aren't art, and I don't think they should be made with art totally in mind. Games are made first and foremost to entertain, so in that sense they resemble a toy -- games shouldn't be made for art's sake but for peoples' enjoyment most. That doesn't mean games can't be viewed artistically or as a means of expression, story-telling, and a way of appealing to peoples' emotions.

Can't wait for TGS, btw :-D

[VG Aficionado]

I know many of you won't believe it, but MGS4 will be at this year's TGS (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/732/732250p1.html) =-o

[TEEDA]

and from GAF it seems that there will be new infos this week or next week on the next famitsu.

[VG Aficionado]

and from GAF it seems that there will be new infos this week or next week on the next famitsu.News on Famitsu? This week or next week? I can see why GAF is such a reliable source of rumours! (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=61700) :duh:

[yoshaw]

Gamefronts reporting, that Degenki HP spoke with Kojima in their recent issue about the TGS trailer. Kojima mentions the new trailer is supposed to clarify the playable atmosphere of the game.

I'd take he's talking about the ingame gameplay sequences and how we're gonna finally see them. Nice! :) So maybe we should expect a E3 2000 like debut trailer. And as we already know it, new famitsu is also gonna have more details next week.

[VG Aficionado]

warmachine told me that a while ago. Nice!

[LiquidEagle]

I think we might see some gameplay cinemas then. A lot of the debut trailers for MGS2 and MGS3 was gameplay, and it was actually Kojima playing. I hope we see some of that. He's already proven that the cinemas in this game will destroy anything else :-D

[VG Aficionado]

1st anniversary (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=39333&page=4) ;) Or almost!

[LiquidEagle]

Felt soooooo long ago.

[section]

Only 'bout a year or so more of waiting ;)

Was interesting reading folks' old predictions of the game at the beginning of this thread. Some questions have been answered but more raised.

Having finished MGS2 recently I understand now how big a change in the traditional MGS franchise it actually is to not be able to rely purely on stealth anymore. And that's one of the main factors I'm looking forward to in MGS4, how they have designed and balanced the "no place to hide" -theme with their usual espionage elements.

[LiquidEagle]

Well if we get to side with either the soldiers or the Arab guys (probably defending their home turf).... after seeing that Leipzig video I think I'll side with the high-tech solders :-p

[Gaul]

im going to side with the mooing karate robot women.
(300th post!)

[Undercover Cop]

So will these fantastic, colour-corrected, mind blowing graphics - last seen at the TGS 05 - been seen again in a week?

http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/5495/2004641498334260282_rs.jpg

http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/3741/2004636764593828631_rs.jpg

http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/5219/2004661594968945576_rs.jpg

http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/5874/2004624173980174621_rs.jpg

http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/3748/2004654558897747268_rs.jpg

http://aycu25.webshots.com/image/4744/2004615107143517115_rs.jpg

http://aycu23.webshots.com/image/702/2004663863591617817_rs.jpg

http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/4566/2004632502795817360_rs.jpg

http://aycu39.webshots.com/image/2318/2004609222505640449_rs.jpg



Or will they be staying at the downgraded, washed out, pea soup green levels?

http://www.photodump.com/direct/PBMunky/mgs4002.jpg

http://www.photodump.com/direct/PBMunky/mgs4012.jpg

http://www.photodump.com/direct/PBMunky/mgs4025.jpg

http://www.photodump.com/direct/PBMunky/mgs4018.jpg

http://www.photodump.com/direct/PBMunky/mgs4013.jpg

http://www.photodump.com/direct/PBMunky/mgs4016.jpg

[makeitlookreal]

Kojima said that the final MGS4 will be GREATLY graphically better than what we saw at TGS or E3. We will see graphics better than any of the images you just posted.

[Undercover Cop]

Kojima said that the final MGS4 will be GREATLY graphically better than what we saw at TGS or E3. We will see graphics better than any of the images you just posted.
If that happens... Sony wins by default without breaking a sweat. :trismile:

[Fazares]

frankly, i like the tgs 2005 mgs4 atmosphere more....

[makeitlookreal]

Remember what everyone is saying. That most of the graphical polish does not occur till the END of development. If MGS4 has another YEAR before launch just consider how amazing it will be.

[curryking1]

Can people stop fighting? Jeez! I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that we just want to talk about the games. Can you people leave all your sidestory personal dilemmas off the main boards at least?

It doesn't take a lot to ignore things anyways, in fact it doesn't take anything at all...

Besides, a breath or two never hurt anyone to calm themselves.


BACK ON TOPIC STARTING.... NOW lol.

It feels good to know that the soldiers from the most recent MGS trailer look exactly like the ones from the E3 2006 trailer. The ones in the Leipzig one from 2006 that are tapping each other and delivering cover fire for each other had the same quality I believe.

I love how MGS is so vastly improving their graphics and making a next gen looking game, all the while keeping the same visual style that MGS is known for. I give lots of props to the art teams at Kojima Studios.

frankly, i like the tgs 2005 mgs4 atmosphere more....

I agree with you here. It looked to me that the atmosphere was more visually appealing as well. They did use some TGS footage in the newest MGS trailer so maybe those graphics are the actual real time in game graphics now. I would personally prefer them as well.

[Undercover Cop]

frankly, i like the tgs 2005 mgs4 atmosphere more....
Well that's a given. That was artfully directed, and we had an actual storyline to get a bite of. The TGS trailer was merely reintroducing the main character while showing off the graphics.

Don't get me wrong, I would gladly play MGs4 if it came out on the PS2, but MGS4 actually fulfilling its promises on all fronts would do a lot to bolster confidence in Sony's line. That franchise commands a lot of respect from among people who don't even play it.

Except whiny Nintendo fanboys, of course.

[xbdestroya]

The thread has been pruned.

Undercover Cop I'm serious, stop egging people on. There's only so far you can push things here day after day you realize...

Anyway to quote a great man:

Can people stop fighting? Jeez! I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that we just want to talk about the games. Can you people leave all your sidestory personal dilemmas off the main boards at least?

It doesn't take a lot to ignore things anyways, in fact it doesn't take anything at all...

Besides, a breath or two never hurt anyone to calm themselves.


BACK ON TOPIC STARTING.... NOW lol.

[Domination]

Remember what everyone is saying. That most of the graphical polish does not occur till the END of development. If MGS4 has another YEAR before launch just consider how amazing it will be.

I agree. People so underestimate Kojima sometimes. :) *cough* Son of Liberty & Snake Eater *cough*

:stirpot:

[makeitlookreal]

I read every spoiler I come across.

Now, lets get back on topic. What do you think would be the best locations for different levels of MGS4. I think we are going to get a real treat by seeing some different levels at TGS this year. Which ones would you like to see? In my opinion, here are some possibilities.

1) A city.
2) Forest
3) Jungle
4) Mountain
5) Arctic
6) Desert
7) Beach
8) Space platform (this is supposed to be in the future)
9) Underwater base.
10) Hospital (He is in the hospital being stabalized and an enemy comes trying to kill him. He fights the badguys in the hospital.)
11) In an Air Plane with hand to hand combat?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I read every spoiler I come across.

Now, lets get back on topic. What do you think would be the best locations for different levels of MGS4. I think we are going to get a real treat by seeing some different levels at TGS this year. Which ones would you like to see? In my opinion, here are some possibilities.

1) A city.
2) Forest
3) Jungle
4) Mountain
5) Arctic
6) Desert
7) Beach
8) Space platform (this is supposed to be in the future)
9) Underwater base.
10) Hospital (He is in the hospital being stabalized and an enemy comes trying to kill him. He fights the badguys in the hospital.)
11) In an Air Plane with hand to hand combat?

Underwater base?
Hahaahaha. no.
I'd be really, really, really surprised.
Space platform..nah.
11) was a cutscene was mgs3. which is why you should play these games to have some idea as to what the heck you're talking about!

[makeitlookreal]

I don't have a console to play them on right now.

However, even if it was not in the previous games does not mean it cannot be in the newest game.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Of course not.
But kojima doesn't really repeat himself too much.
MGS-hmmm, whoa!
MGS2-Whoa! Hmmm?????
MGS3-Whoaa!!! Snff......:cries:

[Nameless]

^ Good question...
I want to learn more about the plot and the characters in the game, I'm not that concerned with the enviornments.
MILR, you will come to realize MGS fans are concerned about the gameplay and story first, visuals take a back seat. (just icing on the cake!)

[Voidler]

Dude, why don't you please play the MGS games MILR? :P It's like your a fanboy of them but you've never played them. Do you have a PS2?

[Nameless]

Dude, why don't you please play the MGS games MILR? :P It's like your a fanboy of them but you've never played them. Do you have a PS2?
Nah, MILR is a not a MGS fan he is a fan of MGS4's visuals there's a huge difference...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yeah if it didn't look as good as it does he wouldn't be interested.

[Voidler]

Nah, MILR is a not a MGS fan he is a fan of MGS4's visuals there's a huge difference...Well that's what I meant :doh:

[makeitlookreal]

In my opinion a good story with good gameplay would occur across many different environments. For example, I could see part of the mission be in space because a movable space weapons platform has been deployed by outer heaven able to dodge other space based weapons and target any nation on the planet. Outer Heaven could be accepting money from one nation to target other nations. Snake could be sent in a proto-type vessel to take out the platform. However, there could be some files hidden inside a computer in the platform. He would have to carefully let the weapons platform destroy his ship, he would have to get a spacesuit with small thrusters to allow him to sneak onto the platform, enter the platform, get the data, take out the few humans in the platform, set an explosive charge to destroy it, get into the escape pod, crash back through the atmosphere, and land right onto the outskirts of a battleground. Boom, a cool part of the story that is interesting and appropriate but puts him right back into the desert, arctic, for jungle!

EDIT: I am a fan of the visuals but I have also read a few webpages explaining some of the storyline of the various games and it does indeed sound interesting. I like how they mix high technology with a SPIRIT taking over a body, with some science fiction thrown in, and personal drama. The story is already a MIX of several components. How many other games have spirits taking over a body, Cyborgs, tons of great drama, great combat, and hunting for wild food in the jungle? This game is already an assortment of different parts. Why not add more?

[Nameless]

^ It's like talking to a brick wall... :(
MILR, it's cool that you are excited for MGS4, you are preaching to choir, but take some time and learn more about the title before commenting on the storyline and game settings. Most of the people who post are MGS fans and have knowledge of the MGS universe. In many situations your MGS "suggestions" are out of wack based on the established universe.

"Do you understand the words coming out of my mouth..." :crazy:

[Voidler]

lol, just play the games man. You really aren't understanding the spirit and the atmosphere of MGS games if you think that's a good idea.

[makeitlookreal]

From what I have read the game is already all over the place in many ways. I don't see why all of you seem to be so afraid of something new in the game.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

We're not afraid.. Most of your ideas wouldn't make any sense in mgs. It's only in the near future and the technology, and the story telling is a lot more grounded than you realize.

[Maya 5.0]

Yes.In my book it should alway's be Story,Gameplay and then graphics.

[Lekko]

I read every spoiler I come across.

Now, lets get back on topic. What do you think would be the best locations for different levels of MGS4. I think we are going to get a real treat by seeing some different levels at TGS this year. Which ones would you like to see? In my opinion, here are some possibilities.

1) A city.
2) Forest
3) Jungle
4) Mountain
5) Arctic
6) Desert
7) Beach
8) Space platform (this is supposed to be in the future)
9) Underwater base.
10) Hospital (He is in the hospital being stabalized and an enemy comes trying to kill him. He fights the badguys in the hospital.)
11) In an Air Plane with hand to hand combat?

#11. MOTHER F-ING SNAKE ON A MOTHER F-ING PLANE!

[Voidler]

From what I have read the game is already all over the place in many ways. I don't see why all of you seem to be so afraid of something new in the game.Reading a synopsis is different thing from experiencing a game. MGS, even with its fantasy characters, has always had a realistic backdrop. Sending him up into space is silly, esspecially to just retrieve some files (that's Splinter Cell story scope). Not to mention the space setting leaves no grounds for good character development (or really gameplay for that matter)

[Nameless]

#11. MOTHER F-ING SNAKE ON A MOTHER F-ING PLANE!
LMAO!!! :cheers:

[OmniCloud]

Oh my GOODNESS MILR!!! U haven't even played 1 MGS game!!!?? I PITY DA FOOL!:Mrt: Reading a little back story is nothing like playing the games man...SPOILER ALERT!

U know nothing of Big Boss-and how he used to be just like Snake. U don't know that Snake is actually the INFERIOR clone in the "The terrible children" project yet he overcome obstacles and battles and even surpassed Liquid with his Will to survive. Or how about how Big Boss became BigBoss?? Or how Raiden is Snakes virtual clone. Or how Grey Fox is Snake best friend but they were enemies on the battlefield. Or how Otacon fell in love w/Sniper Wolf right before Snake put a bullet in her head!! Point-U have to play the games to appreciate the greatness that is MGS.

[solidsnakejej]

In my opinion a good story with good gameplay would occur across many different environments.

IMO that wouldn't be true about a game like MGS. MGS is know for it's environments that are based in one area like a jungle or a arctic base. If it were to go to many different places then the devs would have two problems to deal with one being why would the character go there and two would be the time constraints they have to make the environments. I'm expecting there to be a few environments. Along with the desert there probably be a urban European setting and I'm hoping for a Arctic or true jungle setting. But we most likely won't see these until the game gets close to coming out. For TGS the only thing I really want to see is Vamp and a few other characters.

[Voidler]

Look, it's Eva in MGS4:

http://www.break.com/top_rated/grannymachinegun.html

[yoshaw]

Maybe MILR can watch them limited edition dvd's that came with Subsistance. Which has the storyline narrated in sequence. But it really won't be like playing the actual games I guess.

[Nasadus]

I wonder if Kojima will bring back Arsenal Gear. If i remember correctly it crashed into NYC (near the Federal Hall) at the end of MGS2 but it wasn't damaged too much as far as i could see. I also remember reading somewhere that the Arsenal Gear in MGS2 wasn't the only one. It was just part of a larger network. So maybe we'll see it back in MGS4. I think it would fit rather well in the whole "Outer Heaven" theme.

[Grovestreet]

My goodness MILR...What in the world? Go play a damn MGS Game so you know what its all about!

"I could see part of the mission be in space because a movable space weapons platform has been deployed by outer heaven able to dodge other space based weapons and target any nation on the planet"
WTF!?

[masteratt]

hahahahahaha!!!
Holy shit MILR comes up with crazy ideas man.

Was MILR the boss of 'cpi' in those crazy stories??? hahah ;)

[cliffbo]

I don't have a console to play them on right now.

However, even if it was not in the previous games does not mean it cannot be in the newest game.

you really must get a console and play MGS fella. its very difficult to explain why the MGS series are the best games out there, you have to play them to find that out. its the detail and depth that makes these games brilliant. for instance, in snake eater you get a menu for mending broken bones with a full sized snake. i turned him around a few times and upside down... when i came out of the menu and back to the game snake threw up... its this attention to detail that is sooooo endearing and its what make MGS fans very protective.

[Nameless]

hahahahahaha!!!
Holy shit MILR comes up with crazy ideas man.

Was MILR the boss of 'cpi' in those crazy stories??? hahah ;)
LMAO!!!!

you really must get a console and play MGS fella. its very difficult to explain why the MGS series are the best games out there, you have to play them to find that out. its the detail and depth that makes these games brilliant. for instance, in snake eater you get a menu for mending broken bones with a full sized snake. i turned him around a few times and upside down... when i came out of the menu and back to the game snake threw up... its this attention to detail that is sooooo endearing and its what make MGS fans very protective.

QFT

[yoshaw]

Viano, can you try and translate this for us bro? It's the dengeki online Kojima interview I guess. But very detailed. If you could share us the highlights of this blog entry. Major rep will be awarded no doubt!

Here's the link
http://www.mediaworks.co.jp/blog/001/2006/09/tgs_konami_part1.html

[LiquidEagle]

https://www.konamistyle.jp/em/enq/enq_form.php?qIds=D9mqMBoow

This also caught my eye as I was checking out the Japanese KojiPro site for TGS info... some kind of questionaire about what you like most from Kojima and what series you'd like him to continue... not sure how that's TGS related but there are a few questions I couldn't translate well.

[Fillibuster]

Yikes...I hate to say, but i'm in the same boat as MILR. I haven't played any MGS, but I'm thinking about buying Subsistance. Doesn't have MGS2 on there also? I'm really pumped for MGS4 becuase it looks amazing, but I agree with you guys; I need to play the others first. Where should I start to get the jist of what's going on?

[Nameless]

Fil, it's not the same as playing the games, but here's a link to my previous post for all the cutscenes in MGS & MGS2. (SPOILER ALERT!)

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=39333&page=153

[Sephiroth_VII]

Fili, no, MGS2 isn't included with subsistence. Buy the games, please!!!

[Fillibuster]

Thanks guys. I'm gonna head to EB today and see what they have...

[Fazares]

hahah...i played every mgs game since the ps1 era...the advantage of being a veteran...ahaha...

[LiquidEagle]

As Cinematic as MGS is, you're really missing a ton when you don't play it, so pick up MGS1 first, play through, then rock MGS2 and MGS3. Substance and Subsistence aren't necessary to take in the story, but they're certainly better values!

Substance is pretty hard to find in stores, but EB sells MGS2 for $4.99 used now and MGS3 is like $13 used, $15 new. I know this because I try to sell as many Metal Gears as possible when I'm at work :laugh:

[Z]

I just hope they won't ruin Ocelot. I don't want just a tipical 'businessman' that only talks and dresses up. I want crazy 'gun fight' Ocelot to give Snake nightmares!

[Voidler]

I want Ocelot's voice, not Liquid shitty unmatching one :(

Does anybody know if Ocelot was speaking with Liquids Japanese voice over or Ocelot's voice over in the E3 trailer?

[RavenFox]

hahah...i played every mgs game since the ps1 era...the advantage of being a veteran...ahaha...
Actually Ive played it since the NES. Fought original Metal Gear with grenades.
Also the gameboy had a very good version also. MILR has alot of catching up to do.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I want Ocelot's voice, not Liquid shitty unmatching one :(

Does anybody know if Ocelot was speaking with Liquids Japanese voice over or Ocelot's voice over in the E3 trailer?

Pretty sure it was liquid's voice actor. Not 100% sure.
I do know for certain that liquid's voice actor is in the game though.

[VG Aficionado]

I'm sure it's Liquid's voice actor. By the way, there's something interesting about him:

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/1994/banjoninjaoldsnakefx1.jpg

Don't you think his face is a bit too familiar? ;)

[Voidler]

Damn it. Ocelot had the most bad ass voice too (atleast in the English version). Liquid is overrated.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Liquid's Japanese voice is really beast.
I like his english voice too though because it's really snooty and just has that, "Man I'm so better than you" tone in it. It's not even the british accent (which is also cool imo), Just his inflections and diction just suggest that he knows how awesome he is... even though he had an inferiority complex... And he's just such a cantankerous ornery bastard! Trying to plunge the free world into eternal war and all. He's this really refined super villain.

[Voidler]

Liquid's Japanese voice is really beast.
I like his english voice too though because it's really snooty and just has that, "Man I'm so better than you" tone in it. It's not even the british accent (which is also cool imo), Just his inflections and diction just suggest that he knows how awesome he is... even though he had an inferiority complex... And he's just such a cantankerous ornery bastard! Trying to plunge the free world into eternal war and all. He's this really refined super villain.It doesn't fit when he's talking through Ocelot though, it just doesn't work :shrug: I hope Snake doesn't sound that bad aswell.

[VG Aficionado]

I've got the feeling I will prefer the original Japanese voice actors rather than the English ones this time.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Hmm, didn't bother me in MGS2. Just felt it worked to show that liquid has indeed taken over.

Fun Fact: The guy who did the voice work for Liquid Snake in the english version of mgs did leonardo's voice in the original TMNT cartoon.

[LiquidEagle]

Cam Clarke ftw!

I'm sure we'll get both in the final game, and like MGS2, it'll sound fine.

...TGS DRAWS NEAR! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaughh!

[solidsnakejej]

schedule for Kojima Production at TGS 9/22. 40 mins of MGS4
http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/japanese/event/tgs_2006_event_01.html

[VG Aficionado]

40 minutes trailer!!!

j/k ;)

EDIT: from 14:00 to 14:40 the three TGS days! With a different guest each day.

[Sephiroth_VII]

:wank:
Forty minutes... Next time, he'll just make a full-length feature film and be done with it!!!

[Marjoh]

According to "one" of B3D, the new trailer to be shown this week at TGS will be compilation of gameplay. This may be the trailer that would silence the critics.

aZF

[TEEDA]

Hideo Kojima does a podcast blog / internet radio show called "Hidechan Radio" at

http://www.blog.konami.jp/gs/hideoblog/

and in the latest one

http://www.blog.konami.jp/gs/img/hid...o_105_htao.mp3

it's been confirmed that while the trailers so far were realtime demo sequences, the MGS4 trailer for TGS 2006 is a compilation of gameplay.

Also, from 5:55 to 7:04 in the same mp3, Yumi Kikuchi, one of the voice actors of MGS series and the radio hostess of "Hidechan Radio", watches the trailer and you can hear the sound (and her "oh" and "ah"). You hear roars of metal gears and gunshots. Though some cameras are modified for the trailer and she didn't notice it's a gameplay when she first saw it, Kojima says what she saw was a real gameplay controlled by a player. According to Kikuchi and Kojima the movement of Snake in the new trailer is very inconspicuous and subdued (He's hiding in somewhere?).

thx to Angelcurio from PS3forums

[curryking1]

I hope you're right Marjoh. The single thing the world is waiting on MGS4 for (besides having the actual game in our hands) is to see some vintage gameplay courtesy the great dev house at Kojima Studios.

EDIT: Hey thanks TEEDA for the heads up!

[VG Aficionado]

TGS is going to be awesome! :hugegrin:

[makeitlookreal]

I think the gameplay will not look that much different from what we have seen so far. The graphics will look exactly the same and the camera work will be great. Remember, Kojima stated they are working on a REVOLUTIONARY new camera system for the game.

[Insane Metal]

Oh my. My HD will suffer nextdays :crazy:

[LiquidEagle]

Silence the critics? :laugh: Honestly by now, f**k anybody who doubts that what Kojima shows us is real-time, especially when he says it's real-time.

[Smokey]

Silence the critics? :laugh: Honestly by now, f**k anybody who doubts that what Kojima shows us is real-time, especially when he says it's real-time.
i will KILL who doubts kojima :)

[VG Aficionado]

Kojima Pro schedule (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.konami.jp%2Fkojima_pr o%2Fjapanese%2Fevent%2Ftgs_2006_event_01.html&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=es&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools)

?????? Production concert□ chairmanship: Sato ball river way
□ coming out orator: Kazuo Kojima Okamura law discernmentZ.O.E. 3? MGS movie officially announced? A new IP? Something else?

[TEEDA]

Hopefully we' re probably going to have more screens and infos from MGS4 tomorrow , If I remember Last week someone from GAf said that this week's Famitsu we ll have more infos and/ or pics from MGS4.
And it will be out today( wednesday in japan now ) , so stay tuned !

[Nameless]

Silence the critics? :laugh: Honestly by now, f**k anybody who doubts that what Kojima shows us is real-time, especially when he says it's real-time.
QFT! :cheers:

[curryking1]

Hopefully we' re probably going to have more screens and infos from MGS4 tomorrow , If I remember Last week someone from GAf said that this week's Famitsu we ll have more infos and/ or pics from MGS4.
And it will be out today( wednesday in japan now ) , so stay tuned !

I'm holding you to that lol!

[Undercover Cop]

Hopefully we' re probably going to have more screens and infos from MGS4 tomorrow , If I remember Last week someone from GAf said that this week's Famitsu we ll have more infos and/ or pics from MGS4.
And it will be out today( wednesday in japan now ) , so stay tuned !http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/4931/c319f15e1e9a78f4b4dc098a6c6aa1.gif

[Z]

I thought they wouldn't show gameplay till E3. this is great news. I don't want to spoil anything from MGS4. I saw two teasers and that was enough. now, I only want to see how the game play is done.

by the way, since I was offline for a while hunting chilidogs, did they say what was the secret weapon (that OOOO something) they were so excited to incorporate, or are they still playing coy?

[yoshaw]

I think the gameplay will not look that much different from what we have seen so far. The graphics will look exactly the same and the camera work will be great. Remember, Kojima stated they are working on a REVOLUTIONARY new camera system for the game.

Go play Subsistence, that REVOLUTIONARY camera has already been implemented in it. Don't expect too much different camera angle in MGS4 from subsistence especially in terms of a revolution. Surely MGS4 would get a much much tweaked version of the already revolutionary MGS3Subsistance camera.

Jeez, why is it everytime I read your posts, its like your speaking of insurmountable objects that only exist in ether but you want them. Wait, that's rhetorical question so don't reply to this. It's so annoying you know. Get someone to lend you a PS2 and play subsistance for christs sake. Atleast you'll learn something about the premise of the PS3 game if not learn how Kojima makes his games. >.< :swear:

Silence the critics? :laugh: Honestly by now, f**k anybody who doubts that what Kojima shows us is real-time, especially when he says it's real-time.

Them are the true words!!! Look no further than that.


did they say what was the secret weapon (that OOOO something) they were so excited to incorporate, or are they still playing coy?

I've yet to learn about that. Maybe someone else knows but I'm not sure if it was even revealed in public.

[Jasonps3]

Just a little preview courtesy of CVG:

19-Sep-2006 Hideo Kojima's all-consuming MGS series readies itself for the ultimate battle where all will be resolved!

Right now the only thing certain about Metal Gear Solid 4 is that all the loose threads ill be tied up and there'll be a definite end. So says creator Hideo Kojima - and he should know all about finales, having announced his retirement from the series once MGS 4 is released next year. (And that's a definite this time).

Not that MGS 4 needs any extra help when it comes to making gamers dribble like toothless pensioners at the thought of what might be in store. The astonishing, Hollywood-standard action sequences and intriguing character cameos that can be seen in the amazing trailer (cast eyes right if you haven't seen it) have kept fans everywhere guessing for months. Will Snake really do a Kurt Cobain and eat a bullet? Whose gravestone is he saluting? And could Raiden really look any more camp?

Advertisement:SUITED AND BOOTED
Aside from Raiden's ambiguous sexual orientation, the biggest talking point is Snake's new hi-tech camouflage suit that lets him blend into environments as long as he remains motionless. Dubbed the 'Octacamo' after an octopus' ability to change its colour in order to match its surroundings, expect to use the suit an awful lot when pursued by relentless Metal Gears or large groups of enemies. Once camouflaged, the suit appears to be pretty foolproof, and Kojima has even stated that if Snake was to stand next to a wall with bullet holes then he would appear to be sporting holes too.

Just who Snake's allies and enemies are may be partly down to how you decide to play the game. Of course, the return of Liquid Ocelot makes it clear who the big baddie is, but ordinary foot soldiers aren't specifically friends or foes. You'll be able to make and break alliances, possibly playing factions off each other to benefit Snake. It'll be interesting to see how this open world freedom is resolved given Metal Gear Solid's traditionally linear, cut-scene heavy format.

We're especially looking forward to toying with Snake's enemies rather than simply sneaking by them or slitting their throats. According to Kojima "who controls the fear can decide the outcome", meaning you'll be able to scare enemies into submission by creating noises and generally creeping them out. Yes, they'll piss themselves.

WAR AND PEACE
With nearly every character from the Metal Gear Solid series returning, the game certainly has its work cut out trying to develop them all. So far we've seen Raiden, Ocelot, Otacon, Naomi Hunter, Meryl Silverburgh and Colonel Campbell, with plenty more still to be revealed. Given the number of lengthy cut-scenes in previous games, giving them all equal screen time won't be a problem, but wrapping up their individual stories satisfactorily could be a bit trickier.


Potential plot holes or not, clearly it's all looking amazing and Solid Snake's greatest adventure yet. Check back next month for even more new MGS 4 screens and info.


Can't wait to scare some enemies!

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=146163

[VG Aficionado]

Can't wait to scare some enemies!You could do that in MGS3 already: you could throw them bees, alive snakes or spiders, could make them believe an alligator was sneaking up behind them... even in MGS2 you could point a missile launcher to their faces and they would run away! But now this will be taken to the next level and become even more psychological :spiny:

[yoshaw]

According to this guy posting Famitsu scans at neogaf. There is something regarding in Famitsu about the comeback of a supposedly lost feature in MGS4.

Regarding MGS4...... Metal Gear Mk-II is back!

IIRC, that's the mini-robot you see in the original TGS'05 trailer with the Otacon screen on it. Kojima was reported as saying it's implemention in MGS4 gameplay was hard to manage so they canned it. But now its reappearance is going to bring new mechanism to probably never heard before controls on a console. I'm dreaming PSP control of MKII over WiFi. OMG, I so wish that to be the case but don't run with this idea as fact. It's just me imagining BS. Sorry

[VG Aficionado]

Kojima confirmed after E3 that both the Solid Eye System and Mk-II will appear in the final game. There were just some stupid rumours about Mk-II being too difficult to implement, but Kojima never said they would discard it in the end. Maybe it won't be playable, but as long as it's included, it's fine by me.

[yoshaw]

Well, famitsu just double confirmed it. Maybe they were talking about it being shown during the trailer?

[VG Aficionado]

Well, famitsu just double confirmed it. Maybe they were talking about it being shown during the gameplay?Fixed ;)

MGS4 will pwn.

[masteratt]

MGS4 will pwn.Well...DUH!
;)

As much as I am excited about MGS4, I am even MORE excited about what will happen after MGS!
A different franchise? MGS with new characters and new story? Or a mix of both?

And even mroe exciting- What will Hideo do next?! Since he doesn't have to make MGS anymore! Will he go multi-platform? Start another franchise (doubtful)? Create games for the Wii only (he loves that console)?

Oh how amazing.
Not as amazing as the day I will slide MGS4 into my PS3!...That sounded twisted :dur: :shrug:

[Z]

seriously, there are two games that when they come out, people will go banans over PS3:
MGS4 & FF13/Versus13

they will do what MGS2 and FF10 did for PS2- which is selling every last piece of hardware...twice. let's hope that MGS4 and FF13 will also come out only a year after launch- well, the later at least since the first is already announced.

[NeoPlayStation]

MGS 4 camouflage?

http://www.multiplataforma.blogger.com.br/camouflage.jpg

[VG Aficionado]

=-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o

...fake? I hope not!

[Voidler]

I thought camo wouldn't cover the face

[VG Aficionado]

I thought camo wouldn't cover the faceKojima said that at first they did some tests making it cover the face as well, but then they decided to use face paint to complement the octocamo. They probably changed it again.

[Old_Timer!]

maybe we can find a camo mask, you know how it was in MGS2/MGS3

[Cyrus]

seriously, there are two games that when they come out, people will go banans over PS3:
MGS4 & FF13/Versus13

they will do what MGS2 and FF10 did for PS2- which is selling every last piece of hardware...twice. let's hope that MGS4 and FF13 will also come out only a year after launch- well, the later at least since the first is already announced.

I would add GT5 to that list ;)

[sif]

Cam shots but it is a start!

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2526/mgs4scansvh1.th.png (http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mgs4scansvh1.png)

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1589/mgs4scans1vt7.th.png (http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mgs4scans1vt7.png)

EDIT: added second image

[VG Aficionado]

Gears Of War has been pwn3d! I mean: GeOWNED!

[sif]

Really? In these pics I cannot see a thing (although you might be right)!

[TEEDA]

Told you there were scans lol ! great jobs

[masteratt]

Gears Of War has been pwn3d! I mean: GeOWNED!
?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? HOW DARE YOU!
Gears Of war does not deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as MGS let alone you are indirectly comparing them!!!!!!!!!!

FOR SHAAAAAAAAME!!!!

Anyway, umm..what can I say? Great scans. The one where he is crawling and making his way across the bridge (top left of the second scan)- Gameplay cam?

[Z]

I would add GT5 to that list ;)
as you can add a few other dozens. these were just the pinnical at their time.

*impatientlly waiting for the next-gen SOCOM fix!*:damarus:

[sif]

Better shots

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1348/mgs41fk2.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mgs41fk2.jpg) http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7025/mgs42xf6.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mgs42xf6.jpg) http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1386/mgs43wv4.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mgs43wv4.jpg) http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/930/mgs44cq8.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mgs44cq8.jpg)

EDIT: both sets courtesy of chittagong at GAF

[TEEDA]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f95/jarosh-gaf/mgs4a.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/81af6a079f4956352ac4f6dc99434c4e.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f95/jarosh-gaf/mgs4b.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/650d70da15ffd82ede55bc4dfb786743.jpg

cleaned scans chose your colors lol

BTW look at the second scan , at the bottom right picture, the last one, you can see the little robot.from the first Trailer last year.

[VG Aficionado]

?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? HOW DARE YOU!
Gears Of war does not deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as MGS let alone you are indirectly comparing them!!!!!!!!!!

FOR SHAAAAAAAAME!!!!LOL. They're two very different games and MGS4 is hands-down utterly superior to me, so no more mentioning "that" from me. I just wanted to make some fun based on the camera angles shown in some of the screenshots where Snake points his gun.

Awesome stuff =-o

[Insane Metal]

Better shots

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1348/mgs41fk2.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mgs41fk2.jpg) http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7025/mgs42xf6.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mgs42xf6.jpg) http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1386/mgs43wv4.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mgs43wv4.jpg) http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/930/mgs44cq8.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mgs44cq8.jpg)

EDIT: both sets courtesy of chittagong at GAF

Jesus. Fking. Christ O_______O

[adam2407]

hey, who,s the ninja? Raiden?

[Grovestreet]

Holy christ! Amazing! Must...See....Footage.....COME TGS!

[bigwig]

very impressive...instant purchase...looks to be even more impressive in gameplay

peace

[yoshaw]

Non-believers pwned! 0_0

[dnpmakkah]

I wonder if those "behind the shoulder" views are gameplay or cutscenes. I would love it if the game was in 3rd person. I know most hardcore MGS fan's would like the camera system to stay as is...but I kind of want it to go in a new direction.

[yoshaw]

^MGS4's camera will be behind Solid Snake's shoulder ala 3rd person(2nd ala MGS3:Subsistance). Not from the top as it was in before Subsistance. However, I believe Kojima will include an option for hardcore nerds like me and have a on/off button for it(on the way)

[satriales]

So now you can hide under a barrel instead of a cardboard box :)
I can't wait to play this game.

[dnpmakkah]

^MGS4's camera will be behind Solid Snake's shoulder ala 3rd person(2nd ala MGS3:Subsistance). Not from the top as it was in before Subsistance. However, I believe Kojima will include an option for hardcore nerds like me and have a on/off button for it(on the way)Was there an article regarding this. If so please let me know I would like to read up on it. I know whatever camera angle is used and how is it is used will be awesome...and if they do use 3rd person this game will get a truely NEXT-GEN feel to it.

[TEEDA]

Wow yes , Maybe you ll be able ton controll one of those mini Metal Gear lol.
I want ZOE 3 now !!!

[dnpmakkah]

It's so strange how it's been about 4 months since E3 and we've managed to wait patiently but now with only a few hours left till TGS time is moving slowly. Just imagine what it will be like the week before system launch. Yikes.

[yoshaw]

Article? We don't need article my friend. There's a full MGS game out there with a 3rd person camera. :)

Have you played/heard of MGS3 Subsistance? The 3rd person camera they used for that game was the first step in creating a true 3D behind the player working camera for MGS4. So if you own a PS2, rent Subsistance and have a taste of the earlier steps of MGS4 camera.

[Nameless]

I wonder who the ninja is in the picture behind Snake? (Raiden was not wearing a full face mask unless they changed the character design and I doubt that...)
No need to say the game is amazing, because who would expect anything else...

[yoshaw]

I have a theory about that.

I believe the guy in the mask with the snakeye is Solid Snake himself. A full octacamoflauge should include the face too in order for Snake to survive super hard situation involving human soldiers and gekkos both. Humas are smarter than Gekkos so Snake might need his face covered in with the surrounding as well as the rest of his body, unlike the E3 trailer.

[Nameless]

^ good point... I still hope it's a Ninja, because Grey Fox was a bad ass...

[Smokey]

^ good point... I still hope it's a Ninja, because Grey Fox was a bad ass...
agreed :)