Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[makeitlookreal]

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=mgs&message.id=156231

Metal Gear Solid 4 Gameplay Pics (SCANNED)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

It's probably snake with a mask. reminds me of snakeeyes from GI-Joe. haha..

[solidsnakejej]

New info from magazine, Fom here (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=834222&postcount=18)

+ Kojima says, this time the game play style is not that Snake holds a gun while sticking to the wall. He's weltering in mud while camouflaged by Octo-Cam.
+ All the pics on the magazine article are from gameplay.
+ 6 minutes trailer at TGS
+ When Snake shoots a gun the viewpoint looks like Resident Evil 4 but it's unclear it's the final one in the game.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Joy. Joy. Joy. Joy. Joy.

[yoshaw]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f95/jarosh-gaf/mgs4a.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/81af6a079f4956352ac4f6dc99434c4e.jpg
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f95/jarosh-gaf/mgs4b.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/650d70da15ffd82ede55bc4dfb786743.jpg

cleaned scans chose your colors lol

BTW look at the second scan , at the bottom right picture, the last one, you can see the little robot.from the first Trailer last year.

Whoa, just noticed your post. The colors feel much better in the 2nd version. Thanks!

[section]

These photos and your talk put my stomach in a knot. In a positive way :)

Thanks for the scans, I'm only wondering what this thread will be like when the six minute gameplay vid is shown and released...

*A madhouse I tell ya'll* ;)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

EXPLOSION OF AWESOMENESS. that's what it'll be like.

[yoshaw]

This thread will be closed forever according to XB to start a brand new one. Same goes for all other major PS3 game threads. :(

[LaLiLuLeLo]

That makes me sad. Is it too big? :(

[Z]

I think if enough want it to still be the MGS thread than Xb can let it be.
I think he wants a fresh new thread (with a link to this one in its first post) as a service for all the new comers to get easier access to all the latest news.

talk to Xb. he isn't as scary as he looks. ;)

[Sephiroth_VII]

I wonder who the ninja is in the picture behind Snake? (Raiden was not wearing a full face mask unless they changed the character design and I doubt that...)
No need to say the game is amazing, because who would expect anything else...
Ok.. Just før the sake of it, here're my personal guesses:

1. Snake in the full Octocamo suit. +It seems natural,since it appears to be affecting his face as well. -It would be very bad at showing his facial expressions, which are very important in MGS4, especially now that much of the storyline will take place in-game.

2. Grey Fox. +Well, they've recovered him from the depths of the burned down Zanzibar Fortress, so why shouldn't they be able to do the same at Shadow Moses? -I wonder how much could be left of him. Also, he was pretty unstable.

3. Raiden's new suit. +None, really... Oh, wait, maybe his "manly" thighs will be hidden better!!! -The cyborg suit is cooler...

4. Big Boss. +We've seen his charred body in MGS4 artwork, and this might just be the reason why the US government refused to turn over his remains. The suit would be to hide his body, which looks pretty bad in the artwork, and the Solid Eye System would function as an artificial eye. -Well, none really. I'd like to see him in action for the last time. He was a good man.:salute:

BTW: The MK-II is stealing ammo from that goon! LOL!!!

EDIT: Why not keep this the MGS4 thread? There's so much info in here, and it'd be sad to see it drop to the bottom of the forums, and then disappear.

[Smokey]

i thought he was just closing it until TGS is over :(

[TEEDA]

little details

the upcoming Metal Gear Solid 4 TGS Trailer will have a Length: About 6 Minutes.

* If you shoot the perspective changes into the RE4 Shoot Mode."

[Sephiroth_VII]

"but it's unclear if it's the final one in the game." (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1241533&postcount=3228)

[cliffbo]

why is everyone getting so excited with these scans? we've seen vids and crisp, clean HD scans. i don't get it. am i missing something?

[Sephiroth_VII]

It's gameplay, that's why!!!! Also, that shadowy character in the background is set up with Snake much like Nero is with Dante in the DMC scans, which I feel insinuates a special relationship between them.

Or maybe, it's just Snake, but meh.

EDIT: From 14 to 24 viewers in a few minutes. Wow.

[RavenFox]

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=mgs&message.id=156231

Metal Gear Solid 4 Gameplay Pics (SCANNED)
*faints*

[Sephiroth_VII]

No, Ravenfox!! Don't die!! MGS4 isn't out yet!!

[cliffbo]

It's gameplay, that's why!!!! Also, that shadowy character in the background is set up with Snake much like Nero is with Dante in the DMC scans, which I feel insinuates a special relationship between them.

Or maybe, it's just Snake, but meh.

EDIT: From 14 to 24 viewers in a few minutes. Wow.

now i see, cheers, but they are not the cleanest pictures. i'll wait for TGS before i let my excitement run away with me... mmmm... no to hell with it! March release, fewer consoles, 1080p upgrade for 360... pah... give me my PS3

[Handycrap101]

OHHHHH MYYYY GOOOOODD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*faints*

[LiquidEagle]

Trailer's gonna be incredible :D

[curryking1]

In the words of Toronto's favourite Raptors announcer!

"ARRRREEEE YOOUUU ************ING KKIIIIIDDDDINNNNGG MEEEEE?!?!"

Ok I added in the profanity but the rest is all real!

BUT WHAT THE ****! THOSE GFX ARE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!

EDIT: Look how detailed it is! Even the enemies face looks spectacular!!! Check out first page where Snake is in the dumpster and the soldier's mask has fallen off!

[McLaren]

good looks on the scans

[yoshaw]

Speaking of pwnage

http://xs206.xs.to/xs206/06384/mgsocto.jpg

This soldier is about to get the biggest scare of his life. BOO! lol

[PUNK em 733]

I knew it, no game is gonna top MGS4 at TGS.

[OmniCloud]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PS3 HAS DONE IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!WHY IS MSG4 SO GREAT????

LOL...it's hard to believe that these graphics will be surpassed probably by a year after the game is released. Simply fantastic looking game. The view looks like RE4 which gives u good perspective and a nice camera angle to show off all the graphics. And of course you'll be able to go first person to really pin/point ur shots. I'm about to REP EVERYONE ON THIS PAGE TWICE!

[PUNK em 733]

To put it in another way, MGS4 is a game that is at least a yr away, so basically the graphics are unfinished, yet it looks better than ANY 360 game out or that is coming out in the foreseeable future.

Now that is saying something to the PS3's power.

[OmniCloud]

Ur absolutely RIGHT...And I will be saying SOmething when I PICK MY SYTEM UP this Winter...-I told u so:)

It's simply amazing that Hideo Kojima can make a game that looks this good, fresh, and amazing. Sony should really pucker up for this guy for delivering the game exclusively. But then again Hideo had nothing but Praises for PS3 besides some minor dissapointments w/the controller and price. Yeah just like u said Punk em-Now that is saying something to the PS3's power.--I'm SOOO tempted right now to go back to my why PS3 is destined for success thread!! LOL..07 can't get here soon enough!

[PUNK em 733]

Ur absolutely RIGHT...And I will be saying SOmething when I PICK MY SYTEM UP this Winter...-I told u so

LOL exactly bro, I'll be doing the same.

[PUNK em 733]

But then again Hideo had nothing but Praises for PS3 besides some minor dissapointments w/the controller and price.


I understand the price arguement, but what's his beef with the controller?

[Insane Metal]

To put it in another way, MGS4 is a game that is at least a yr away, so basically the graphics are unfinished, yet it looks better than ANY 360 game out or that is coming out in the foreseeable future.

Now that is saying something to the PS3's power.

I don´t agree. From an art direction point, yes, MGS4 >>> any 360 game. But technically speaking, GoW still >> MGS4, IMHO. Of course, overall, MGS4 simply owns everything, but graphically speaking I still think GoW is more beautiful.

I´m being as imparcial as I can, sorry if that bothers anyone ;)

[OmniCloud]

^I'm not angry at ur post man...This is a forum dude not a PS3 brainwashing program-it just might seem that way since they are tons of Sony fans these days...

I don't quite understand ur post tho-Doesn't technical quality in the end mean GRAPHICS?? I mean if a game uses more textures, but another game uses less-but has better techniques that u don't notice that less textures-doesn't that mean it's better technically?? Seriously I'm not trying to downplay ur post at all-I'm actually curious as I don't have the slightest clue about tech-head stuff..

[TEEDA]

http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm

Konami announced that Hideo Kojima will be revealing a new game title at Tokyo Game Show on September 22 between 3:10 - 3:40PM.

ZOE 3 !! !ZOE 3 !! looool please

[solidsnakejej]

I wish they would announce it but it also could be his Wii title.

[PUNK em 733]

What happenede to all our other posts???

[xbdestroya]

What happenede to all our other posts???

Well, there were two posts that were deleted - yours and the one quoting it. :smoke:

The reason why was because due to the global nature of the forum, the analogy used to ascribe a certain 'zealotry' to Evil Taru was a little... well, strong. Whenever possible, try not to use comparisons that directly involve a negative stereotype associated with a religion, race, nationality, sexual preference, etc...

I just quietly made them disappear because I didn't want to make a big deal out of it. But... anyway that was the reason.

Not anything against you personally PUNK em. :smoke:

[satriales]

I understand the price arguement, but what's his beef with the controller?
He was upset that rumble has been removed. He said that if it was removed because of the tilt feature (as Sony claim) then they could have had a button to switch between tilt and rumble.

[Nameless]

The picture of Snake in full stealth camo mode was bananas!!!
I can't wait to see the GAME PLAY trailer and see what the haters have to say, because trust me the footage will be something special and the talk of TGS! (MGS is more popular in the US & UK, but it will get major props at TGS!) :shocked:

[OmniCloud]

What I haven't figued out is Why MGS isn't selling like Halo or GTA??! The series achieves so much with every iteration and simply OWNS everything on the market for consoles when it's released. Sales are certainly great-but haven't reached the MEGA 1million copies in a day type of sells...hmmm..what the heck are people playing:huh:

[xbdestroya]

Well, to be fair Halo and GTA are more get in the action right now type titles... whereas MGS has a very deliberate pacing and more thought involved.

[Nameless]

^ Agreed...
MGS is not a cookie cutter type of game for every gamer.
I think the game appeals to a mature audience based on the complicated plot and style of play. MGS is as much about the story and characters as it is about actual gameplay, it's like experiencing a great action/suspense movie and being part of the action.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah it's a bit of a thinking man's game (that is if you want to get the most out of it) and it's not easy access like those other games which require less use of dominant brain functions. Hehehe.
But yeah, gabe from penny arcade hated mgs3 and I understand why, it's cuz his personal tastes are games that are immediately engrossing and easy to get into. MGS games have a bit of high penetration requirement from the player. So there are fewer people that are a MGS gamer than are not. Lucky for us the games are still huge successes (some genuinely goodgames are lucky to sell 500,000 copies, let alone a few million, like mgs).

[yoshaw]

http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm

ZOE 3 !! !ZOE 3 !! looool please

YESS! God please let it be ZOE3. That'd be the ultimate one two TGS punch from Konami.

[Raijin]

YESS! God please let it be ZOE3. That'd be the ultimate one two TGS punch from Konami.


It will be a DS game. Nothing to get excited over...

[OmniCloud]

@XB, Nameless, LaLiLuLeLoI feel where u guys are coming from...I'm still just amazed tho. Not at why the game isn't up there with sells, but just how so many gamers are missing out on an Amazing series!!! I couldn't believe how much comparisions were made with Splinter Cell and MGS-I was like:huh: I don't give a HOooTaNanY about no Sam Fisher-but Snake has a past, present, and future that's full of complexities.(is that a word?) u grow to appreciate the characters. It really is a shame so many people are missing out on one of the best video games period. I guess the same could be said for Zelda tho...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

It is. It's a damn shame. People miss out, nothing you can do but preach the gospel and hope people catch on. If one person listens, then you've succeeded. :)
...Yeah people are crazy splinter cell can't touch mgs.

[yoshaw]

It will be a DS game. Nothing to get excited over...

Or maybe a 360 title? Kojima was seen seated next to Itagaki at the MS briefing. :look:

Noooooo hehe who knows man. We'll find out tomorrow or after that.

[Nameless]

MGS and Splinter Cell are completely different games not a good comparison. Honestly no game matches up well with MGS it's in a league of it's own...

I'm a Splinter Cell fan, but honestly there's no comparison to MGS, the MGS experience is a unique one that all hardcore gamers should experience...

[Insane Metal]

My post was deleted :(

But no problem I think^^

[mario25]

Ooooh My God!!!!! The Grafix!!!!! :XD:

[OmniCloud]

MGS and Splinter Cell are completely different games not a good comparison. Honestly no game matches up well with MGS it's in a league of it's own...

I'm a Splinter Cell fan, but honestly there's no comparison to MGS, the MGS experience is a unique one that all hardcore gamers should experience...^Agreed...
As long as I get one person to play MGS4 right Lalilulelo? lol...

what the heck was the "LaLiLuLeLo" anyway??! Was it the patriots secret name or something? I'm gonna have to play all the games over before MGS4. The ending on part 2 scared me a little when I was younger. I was playing MGS2 by myself at like 2am and the Colonel came out like "6954 maple trees in the bushes..." I was like what the HECK IS THAT!!! I thought the game malfunctioned or something. then he kept calling me saying weird stuff like colors and seasonal changes--I really thought some1 was messing wit me for a good 15 minutes....sry for the rant guys just sharing some of my memorable moments in gaming...hmmm that'll be a good thread starter...NOBODY TAKE MY IDEA!

[Nodieza]

What I haven't figued out is Why MGS isn't selling like Halo or GTA??! The series achieves so much with every iteration and simply OWNS everything on the market for consoles when it's released. Sales are certainly great-but haven't reached the MEGA 1million copies in a day type of sells...hmmm..what the heck are people playing:huh:


Same reason why great musicians, artists and movie creators never get noticed, how many of you have heard of Dream Theater? Probably one of the most skilled bands to ever grace the earth and yet there name isn't common, It's mind boggling isn't it?

[OmniCloud]

I feel ya man...btw-nice signature

[Nodieza]

I feel ya man...btw-nice signature

Thanks love your title under you Avatar, Couldn't agree with you more.

Fity cent game selling more than Mgs is almost painful to think about... MGS to take back the tiltle of best game ever :gunner:

"All you need is love" ~Teh Beatles ^.-

[curryking1]

If Konami's new game would be ZOE3 though, the game would be up, no joke, that would be really kickass. Here's to holding onto a little thread of hope!

[yoshaw]

Same reason why great musicians, artists and movie creators never get noticed, how many of you have heard of Dream Theater? Probably one of the most skilled bands to ever grace the earth and yet there name isn't common, It's mind boggling isn't it?

Dude, what are you talking about? Dream Theatre is like one of the best known musicians in the world. They might have a niche market but believe me they are well-known. The first time I was introduced to their music was thanks to a Bangladeshi colleague of mine. Surprised yet? :) lol

[/offtopic]

[Nameless]

^ Who the **** are Dream Theatre? :huh:
We all have the same taste in videogames, but music is a different story... LOL!

On topic:
I don't think we should ever shut down this mega thread let's see how far this thing can go.
I think a lot of MGS fans come to this mega thread, because it contains the most comprehensive collection of MGS series/MGS4 information... Don't rock the mutha***king boat!

[Raijin]

Btw, can someone put the title of this thread in full capital letters please? :D

[mario25]

MGS4 TGS Trailer details at IGN (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/733/733889p1.html)

About the tentative release date, I'm not surprised at all. I was expecting the game to release by the end of 2007.

[xbdestroya]

^ Who the **** are Dream Theatre? :huh:
We all have the same taste in videogames, but music is a different story... LOL!

On topic:
I don't think we should ever shut down this mega thread let's see how far this thing can go.
I think a lot of MGS fans come to this mega thread, because it contains the most comprehensive collection of MGS series/MGS4 information... Don't rock the mutha***king boat!

Sorry Nameless, but it's got to get rocked. ;)

I understand your feelings on the matter - there have been other mega-threads throughout PSINext's history as well. What ends up happening is that only a hardcore subset of the forum goes and contributes to them regularly, where the majority either lose interest or are simply too intimidated to read through what they've missed and bring themselves up to speed.

As a compromise I'll tell you what - we'll lock it for TGS, start up the new MGS4 thread, and after it's all said and done maybe just merge it into this one and you guys can pick up where you left off. :smoke:

But come TGS we can't have people looking for MGS info, clicking on page one of this thread, and basically having a heart attack.

[Applefiend]

IGN have some new MGS4 TGS trailer info

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/733/733889p1.html

IT'S ALL GAMEPLAY!!! WOOOOOO!

TGS 2006: MGS4 Trailer Details
Early details on the Tokyo Game Show trailer. Plus, a few intriguing comments from Kojima.
by IGN Staff

September 20, 2006 - Although Konami hasn't issued official word on the matter, one of gaming's finest traditions will indeed be continuing at the Tokyo Game Show. The latest issue of Famitsu reports that the Konami booth will, as just about everyone out there had been expecting, house a Metal Gear Solid 4 trailer.


Director Hideo Kojima revealed to the magazine that the trailer will clock in at about 6 minutes length. A bit short, but to make up for it, Konami will also be showing the E3 trailer.

While previous trailers were comprised of cut scenes, the new trailer will be made up of nothing but game play sequences. Konami has taken liberty with the camera in order to make the trailer easier for viewers to understand, but aside from the perspective changes, this will be our first look at MGS4 gameplay.

Famitsu seems to have gotten its hands on the trailer in advance and was able to deliver a few screenshots and details. The trailer shows a number of new gameplay elements. In one scene, Snake uses an oil drum to sneak around -- a replacement for the classic box, perhaps? In another scene, Snake is avoiding enemy patrols. We see Snake carefully making his way over an arched gateway, just above the viewpoint of his armed foes.

In addition to these traditional types of "sneaking," MGS4 introduces a new form, the Octocam. Short for octopus camouflage, this new gameplay system lets Snake change color in order to match his surroundings. The effect is heightened in dark areas like tunnels and caves.

This gameplay system is also highlighted in the trailer. In one scene, Snake is shown crawling on a battle field in the direction of enemies who are firing in his direction, but over his body. Snake has changed color to match the ground and is attempting to get close to the enemy in order to toss a grenade from close range.

In another sequence, we see a giant Metal Gear unit marching through a narrow street. Look closely, and you can see that Snake is camouflaged on the ground, and is aiming a gun directly at the mechanical beast.

Still another sequence shows the aftermath of Snake infiltrating a building through the window. A guard, having taken note of the noise, runs back to inspect the window. He doesn't seem to notice Snake who's adopted the properties of the tiled walls.

The trailer also shows a number of battle situations, in doors and out. And we're not talking just Snake with a gun here. It appears that the Metal Gear Mark II robot that's operated by Otacon will also be capable of attacking. One scene shows Mark II extending a wire out and shocking an enemy soldier.

In addition to killing off enemies in gun fights, Snake will also have an opportunity to negotiate with enemies. This was called the CQC system in Metal Gear Solid 3. The trailer shows Snake having pinned down and enemy, apparently questioning him for information. You'll be able to get information, items and weapons from enemies.

Speaking on MGS4 with Famitsu, Kojima made note of one of the big updates from previous titles. The game is no longer about "sneaking missions." You have a goal, and you're free to decide how to get there. You can use stealth to get to the goal with minimal resistance, or you can kill off all your enemies.

Kojima also had some saddening news to report to the magazine. Konami has previously promised a 2007 release for Metal Gear Solid 4. Apparently, the release will take place, at the earliest, late in the year, as the game still has over a year's development time.

Looks like we'll be getting a few more trailers before sinking our teeth into Kojima's last Metal Gear game.

p.s. Dream Theatre suck

[Nameless]

But come TGS we can't have people looking for MGS info, clicking on page one of this thread, and basically having a heart attack.
LOL! I guess you have a point, carry on...

[mario25]

APPLEFIEND I POSTED THAT FIRST!!!!!!!!:realmad

[OmniCloud]

I think Mario25 beat u to it man...LOL..I didn't see that post yet!!!Don't worry Mario+rep son..

[Applefiend]

Damn, beaten to the draw again. *spits out tobacco*

[mario25]

I think Mario25 beat u to it man...LOL..I didn't see that post yet!!!Don't worry Mario+rep son..

Thanks lot dude...my first rep......:cry2:

[makeitlookreal]

AWSOME!!!

One more year of development time ahead on MGS4!

I think that's awsome, because if what we see tommorow looks amazing just think how great the game will look a year from now after all the amazing graphical polish is added in the last few months!!!

I think the release of MGS4 will be the biggest event in video gaming history.

If this is going to be Snake's final mission I'm sure Kojima is going to have his people working as hard as possible putting every final touch on the game!

I expect it to look BEYOND anything we have seen so far graphically, with HUGE worlds, LONG storylines, MANY levels, and overall the best game in history.

MGS4 will rock the world!

[Nameless]

^ LOL... You should be a hype man!

[xbdestroya]

That and you should play a Metal Gear Solid game so that you understand the context these statements would even fit in! ;)

[Fillibuster]

LOL xb. Course I can't say anything. I was the same guy a couple days ago. I'm almost done with MGS2 and I'm pumped for MGS3. I was definitely missing out...

[Sephiroth_VII]

XB: Why not make a TGS sub-forum, and then create an MGS4 thread there?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

AWSOME!!!

One more year of development time ahead on MGS4!

I think that's awsome, because if what we see tommorow looks amazing just think how great the game will look a year from now after all the amazing graphical polish is added in the last few months!!!

I think the release of MGS4 will be the biggest event in video gaming history.

If this is going to be Snake's final mission I'm sure Kojima is going to have his people working as hard as possible putting every final touch on the game!

I expect it to look BEYOND anything we have seen so far graphically, with HUGE worlds, LONG storylines, MANY levels, and overall the best game in history.

MGS4 will rock the world!

Ohhhh MILR. I expect the graphics to look better by the time it releases (MAYBE) but not whole worlds better. Kojima's team has a large team of talented designers and programmers and artists, and they, unlike most other teams, tend to get their graphics engines running the way they want earlier in their development cycles than later, like other games. So don't get too excited for the game to look like SOOO much better when it releases. It's definitely an amazing game on all accounts, I'm sure. But still try to stay level headed and leave it at that. I trust they're mostly working on building levels, story telling and tweaking, rebuilding, and reworking the gameplay to get the best possible gameplay they can.

[xbdestroya]

XB: Why not make a TGS sub-forum, and then create an MGS4 thread there?

Well, it's admin level stuff to create additional forums, so outside of my realm of power... and besides, I don't like the sub-forums anyway! :smoke:

It'll go pretty smoothly, so no worries.

[GTShotoKen]

Didn't Kojima already say that he only wanted the game to look so good, since he wanted to dedicate alot of the PS3's processing powers to the things we couldn't see.

If he had went into this game with the same mindset of the previous Metal Gears then I wouldn't doubt that he would have hit photo realism with MGS4. the game looks insanely gorgeous now anyways though.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah. He said they would bring the graphics to a level the fans expect, and then if the system allowed focus on the subtleties and underlayers of the world they're creating. It's not about realism it's about the natural.

[Illmatic]

Some pretty good quality scans.


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:smoke:

[yoshaw]

The pictures are name lo at the end of their titles. Must be some high-res scans floating around. Hopefully someone will post them too. :hugegrin:

Oh by the way, solid snake face mask confirmed ;)
http://xs306.xs.to/xs306/06384/SolidSnakefacemask.jpg

[LiquidEagle]

:lol: good catch.

Not that I figured it to be anybody else...

[Nameless]

^ Nice!

[yoshaw]

And check this out! Some awesome sneaking skills by snake. To be able to fool them soccer loving gekkos like its a piece of cake, now that's an old but experienced snake to root for! lol ;)

Motherfkng snake on the motherfkng ground!
http://xs106.xs.to/xs106/06384/SolidSnake-mofo.jpg

[agentorange]

I like the ala RE4 and Gears of WAr top of the shoulder view. I hope that will be the standard viewing for MGS4. Those kinds of view shows much better graphics

[Nodieza]

I like the old school views, but the option to switch between those and 3rd person would be sweeter, certain situations require certain views.

Top shoulder view would probably work well for MGS, just trying to imagine that...

Not sure how good that would be for RE4 though >.>

[agentorange]

I like the old school views, but the option to switch between those and 3rd person would be sweeter, certain situations require certain views.

Top shoulder view would probably work well for MGS, just trying to imagine that...

Not sure how good that would be for RE4 though >.>

Oh my you havent played RE4 yet? Thats one of the best RE and it uses the over the shoulder view.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

great scans! Whenever I look at japanese magazines or websites, I think, "This is what being illiterate feels like."

[Z]

great scans! Whenever I look at japanese magazines or websites, I think, "This is what being illiterate feels like."
I feel ya, man. *sigh*

(gets back to learning Japanese)

[Sebastiano]

I am not sure if these new trailers have been posted yet.

http://www.gamespot.co.kr/vidoes/0,39048625,39235400,00.htm

http://www.gamespot.co.kr/vidoes/0,39048625,39235401,00.htm

For some reason I can't view them on my PC. let me know how they are

:cheers:

[Marjoh]

Well those vids didn't really show any of the over the shoulder camera. But even combined, it's not six minutes. I can't wait to see the full trailer in high rez.

.aZF

[NeoPlayStation]

video 1 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H3XL1080)
video 2 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KRXFQEES)

[Sephiroth_VII]

Yay!! It's looking good. Always nice with a small preview before the real deal.

[GUNDAMSEED]

MGS4 and DMC4 has just won sony tgs and it's not even started yet two vids look so awesome .

[Sebastiano]

thanks Neo.

Downloading as we speak :pepper:

[Killing Moon]

I just hope to God that it’s not the same crappy control and camera scheme. Subsistence didn’t help at all implementing a 3rd person cam when you can’t aim the friggin’ gun. And continuously using a static 1st person view is dumb as all get out.

From what I’m seeing, the in-game animation still appears stiff and robotic like the PSOne/PS2 games. And was that a rear naked choke that Snake did to that guy from the camouflage section?

[xbdestroya]

The animation in MGS4 is awesome; very realistic motion on the part of the characters.

[Grovestreet]

Is it just me who thinks this doesn't look to good? I mean the graphics look ok, Maybe thats just because its low quality, But those movements...They look crappy, All of a sudden I have lost my hype in it:doh:

[Waku]

The graphics are okay, but not mind-blowing. Gears of War, Mass Effect, hell even Lost Planet loons better than this.
This is as good as the animation gets:
theimageplace .net /uploads/ 2d7325fbf8. gif
theimageplace .net /uploads/ 4f7b113f4d. gif

(I can't post links so just put that in your browser and eliminate the spaces.)
After that it's all over the place. The part where the soldiers walk past Snake, when the robot tases the guy and he falls unnaturally like Fight Night Round 1.

Seriously, it looks like a slight upgrade to the MGS3 engine.

Downgrade complete.

[curryking1]

I think it is just the low quality making it look kind of uninspiring, but I agree that sometimes, or more than enough times the animations are a bit jerky. But this is gameplay from cinematic angles, so I would hazard a guess that the animations look a lot more appreciable when you are viewing from a gameplay perspective.

[dnpmakkah]

Is it just me who thinks this doesn't look to good? I mean the graphics look ok, Maybe thats just because its low quality, But those movements...They look crappy, All of a sudden I have lost my hype in it:doh:Somewhat agree. Something is off about that footage. I'm hoping it's the low quality video. :unsure:

[Waku]

It's on Youtube.

[dnpmakkah]

The graphics are okay, but not mind-blowing. Gears of War, Mass Effect, hell even Lost Planet loons better than this.
This is as good as the animation gets:
theimageplace .net /uploads/ 2d7325fbf8. gif
theimageplace .net /uploads/ 4f7b113f4d. gif

(I can't post links so just put that in your browser and eliminate the spaces.)
After that it's all over the place. The part where the soldiers walk past Snake, when the robot tases the guy and he falls unnaturally like Fight Night Round 1.

Seriously, it looks like a slight upgrade to the MGS3 engine.

Downgrade complete.Do you only think 360 gams look better than this?:eek2:

[Waku]

I think it is just the low quality making it look kind of uninspiring, but I agree that sometimes, or more than enough times the animations are a bit jerky. But this is gameplay from cinematic angles, so I would hazard a guess that the animations look a lot more appreciable when you are viewing from a gameplay perspective.
Bullshit. it's been DOWNGRADED.
NOT up to par with TGS 06.
NOT up to par with E3 06.
NOT up to par with Leipzig 06.

Non-high es feeds don't make animation seem jerky.
All Kojima did was add animation you haven't seen before. The actual animation itself is garbage and very MGS3-like.

Even Splinter Cell blows this away.
So much for the flagship PS3 title. If even Kojima has to downgrade his stuff, this is very bad news for Sony's TGS conference.

youtube.com/watch?v=SodV-7n7HxU
youtube.com/watch?v=-PO6LccFj5E

[RavenFox]

lol at the ridicule. Everytime a low quality vid or image is released we get this? I mean wtf was all the other Metal Gear coverage? A dream?

edit: Man that video is damn sweet. Crawling animation is very nice but I can see where some of the running animation will need a bit tweaking.

[Phryne Astynome]

Bullshit. it's been DOWNGRADED.
NOT up to par with TGS 06.
NOT up to par with E3 06.
NOT up to par with Leipzig 06.

Non-high es feeds don't make animation seem jerky.
All Kojima did was add animation you haven't seen before. The actual animation itself is garbage and very MGS3-like.

Even Splinter Cell blows this away.
So much for the flagship PS3 title. If even Kojima has to downgrade his stuff, this is very bad news for Sony's TGS conference.

youtube.com/watch?v=SodV-7n7HxU
youtube.com/watch?v=-PO6LccFj5E

You could show a little bit more tact than that you know. You also signed up today so people might be a little suspicious of you. Try to respect the rules of this forum please.

[warmachine]

Wohoo! Another XBot!

Can somebody discribe me how the ignorelist works? :P ^^

@Waku: Yeah, you are right! The video sooo doesn't look like the E3 and TGS-Trailer. A real DOWNGRADE!
Shame on you, Konami!
Shame on you, Kojima!
[/sarcasm]

Comparing a video upped on youtube in the shittiest quality you can ever have, with a 720p Hi-Res footage really is just...ridiculous! -_-

[Waku]

This has better animations.

ht tp : / / lillebo . org/ misc/Gif . gif

[dnpmakkah]

This has better animations.

ht tp : / / lillebo . org/ misc/Gif . gifYep, well I guess you have decided then that MGS4 is crappy and not the game for you. I guess you won't be coming back in this thread anymore huh? Especially since you don't like the way it looks and runs now.

[Waku]

Wohoo! Another XBot!

Can somebody discribe me how the ignorelist works? :P ^^

@Waku: Yeah, you are right! The video sooo doesn't look like the E3 and TGS-Trailer. A real DOWNGRADE!
Shame on you, Konami!
Shame on you, Kojima!
[/sarcasm]

Comparing a video upped on youtube in the shittiest quality you can ever have, with a 720p Hi-Res footage really is just...ridiculous! -_-Sorry, but the HD version isn't gona magically correct the terrible animation and improve the graphics.

You guys are only wowing over the animations that you haven't seen before in MGS games (though they have been in other games, mind you). But the actual quality of the animations are MGS3 level at best.

Quantity over quality.

If Kojima was the PS3's ace in the whole, then this conference tonight is gonna be filled with even more dissapointments.

[xbdestroya]

l
edit: Man that video is damn sweet. Crawling animation is very nice but I can see where some of the running animation will need a bit tweaking.

Actually it was the running animation I liked; especially when the rifle was in hand and he was running towards the camera. The side to side movement with gun in hand reflected how one would be if they were tired of running and had to compensate for a significant weight in hand as well.

I don't know, I understand that from stance to stance the fluidity can be broken by a sort of robotic transition, but overall I feel there's a very strong sense of 'realism.' With over a year of development left, I'm sure the transitions will get a little bit of work on them.

Frankly I think the game's looking good.

Anyway those are just my own thoughts on it...

[xbdestroya]

Waku ok, can you please let me/us know why you joined this forum to post right now? I don't want to paint you as something you're not, which is why I'm looking for a little bit of clarification, but if indeed you're just here to revel in the 'downgrade' of MGS4... I mean...

[satriales]

I must have seen a different video to everyone else because I thought it looked just as good as the other trailers (taking the video size and quality into consideration). The animation looks great, but obviously it's not going to be as perfect as the cutscenes. I can't wait to see a direct-feed trailer now.

[Waku]

Waku ok, can you please let me/us know why you joined this forum to post right now? I don't want to paint you as something you're not, which is why I'm looking for a little bit of clarification, but if indeed you're just here to revel in the 'downgrade' of MGS4... I mean...have you seen Bioshock? Gears? Lost Planet? Mass Effect? Splinter Cell? Assassin's Creed? They ALL look better than this!

[Waku]

I must have seen a different video to everyone else because I thought it looked just as good as the other trailers (taking the video size and quality into consideration). The animation looks great, but obviously it's not going to be as perfect as the cutscenes. I can't wait to see a direct-feed trailer now.
Downgraded expectations FTW.

[dnpmakkah]

Just watched the videos again and must admit that the animation is a bit off. The way the soliders move their legs are choppy. I really do not see the smoothness of the previous videos but as of right now it does seem a bit too much like the movements from MG3. The video quality is horrid so I will have to wait to see how it looks when presented in a better video feed.

[Ben-N1ce]

X can you just ban that clown and get it over with.

Thanks

[adam2407]

have you seen Bioshock? Gears? Lost Planet? Mass Effect? Splinter Cell? Assassin's Creed? They ALL look better than this!

yeah yeah what ever.

[xbdestroya]

Yeah he's been banned. I felt I even gave him a chance to pull back a little and yet still state his opinions on MGS4 (negative or not). BUT... it's TGS and no time for clowning around today.

[Phryne Astynome]

Yeah he's been banned. I felt I even gave him a chance to pull back a little and yet still state his opinions on MGS4 (negative or not). BUT... it's TGS and no time for clowning around today.

This forum truly is the only sane video game forum out there with some notable exceptions.

On topic: The animation has its problems but it will obviously be improved. I should say, the way people are complaining about the graphics, you would think that it was coming out at launch.

[frosty]

Let the TGS fanboy troll invasion commence! Idiots FTL! XBD, keep an eye on this fella. I feel he doesn't plan on contributing to our community. Just an Xbot with a thinly veiled agenda. As for the video, on par with all previous videos by far. The running animations are the same as before, the graphics are better if anything (notices extremely high res textures, something that was bitched about during TGS 05'). Sure, they need work, but I imagine a lot of this game does especially considering it doesn't release until next year. We've all seen what a little time can do for a game (motorstorm, fatal inertia anyone???) so be patient and don't judge based on grainy you tube videos. And yes, going from shit cam footage to HD makes a NIGHT and DAY difference in graphical quality seen.

^Edit, Thank you XBD, you da man!

[Nameless]

lol at the ridicule. Everytime a low quality vid or image is released we get this? I mean wtf was all the other Metal Gear coverage? A dream?
QFT!

I'm tired of all these damn bandwagon fair weather MGS fans! Honestly get the **** out of the thread if a low quality vid is going to make you question the game... The game still has a year to go in development, you just can't please some people... Kojima put this gameplay sh*t together just to shut up the critics, I think the game is too early to be showing gameplay, but I'm sure Sony made the request to hype the power of the PS3. I would have preferred a cinematic trailer providing more information about the actual storyline and characters. (I do admit I was curious about the camera angles during gameplay) I have no doubt the game will look incredible and have strong gameplay.

Perhaps we should start a new thread to talk about game visuals, because it pisses me off when people are bitching about minuscule details, " I can't see the pours in Snake's skin anymore, this game is gonna suck it's been downgraded..." Come on, you don't realize how f**king stupid you sound. :rant:

[TEEDA]

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8003/bscap0000qv2.jpghttp://img125.imageshack.us/img125/431/bscap0001yk0.jpg

looks like he will wear some mask or something but what for ?

[EvilTaru]

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8003/bscap0000qv2.jpghttp://img125.imageshack.us/img125/431/bscap0001yk0.jpg

looks like he will wear some mask or something but what for ?

It's part of the ioctacamo so he can blend into the environment, with the bulletholes being used as a camo (you can see bulletholes in the environment near him), enemies thought he was dead and just walked right by thus allowing Snake to roll over and pop them both in the head.

[makeitlookreal]

Kojima said the graphics of the final game would be far great than what we saw at last years TGS or E3. We really can't tell anything from these low quality trailers, and will have to wait until we see it in true 720P HD. However, if the graphical quality is not yet as high as we want (exceeding that of last years TGS and E3) then we have an entire YEAR for them to get the game up to par. I'm confident Kojima would not present such amazing footage at Leipzig, TGS, and E3 to let us down in the final product.

Yes, I expect to see the pours on Snake's face like we did at last years TGS. But I expect it to happen and I also expect that this footage will look BETTER than what we saw at last years TGS!!! We just have to see it in HD first.

This gameplay is going to look better than what we saw last year graphically speaking, and I also agree that it's dumb to compare low resolution cam footage footage to HD direct feed transfer.

[venomv]

I think they may have had to lower the quality slightly to get gameplay running smoothly this early. These things take time, they were just showing off the graphics and animations before, gameplay takes a bit more and they probably want to make sure it ran smooth as silk (in regards to framerate) when they where showing it. It will look just as good as it did before, or probably better, by the time it launches, in 10 frikin months!

[Sephiroth_VII]

I think they may have had to lower the quality slightly to get gameplay smoothly this early. These things take time, they were just showing off the graphics and animations before, gameplay takes a bit more and they probably want to make sure it ran smooth as silk (in regards to framerate) when they where showing it.
^QFT

Totally agreed. We all saw how choppy the E3 vid could be. they probably couldn't get the fps up to a satisfying level in time for TGS, so they decided to cut down the gfx's a bit.

I expect it to be E3 level again by the time it's released.

It is, of course, entirely possible that it's just the low-res vid.

[dockthepod]

I don't understand how anyone can make judgements based on these movies... The encoding looks like it's 5 fps. At least the youtube ones I saw. Maybe there are better ones that you can somehow get the quality from, but don't put any stock in the youtube encodes.

[Smokey]

youtube quality is always Crap

[solidsnakejej]

I don't see how they can come up with the graphics aren't as good as the previous when all we have is a low res camera feed video. Well atleast there is about another 3 more mins of trailer to come and the HD version.

[dnpmakkah]

I don't think people are questioned the graphics. I think people see the animation as a bit choppy and almost everyone who has said so also stated that with this footage you can't tell until we get higher resolution feeds.

[solidsnakejej]

Not here but a few other sites. heres some better shots.
http://www.gamespot.co.kr/i/news/2006/200609/0921/la_news060921_tgs18.jpg
http://www.gamespot.co.kr/i/news/2006/200609/0921/la_news060921_tgs23.jpg
http://www.gamespot.co.kr/i/news/2006/200609/0921/la_news060921_tgs32.jpg

[dockthepod]

Okay, I saw a better encode (ie, non-youtube) and I see what people are seeing about the animation. I hate to say it, but it's looking really bad. They need to do some serious work there.

[section]

Well in my eyes the animations are at the moment of traditional MGS trademark style. There's lot of nostalgic to them and mostly they've always fit to the overall scheme.

But knowing they will still be spending over a year creating the game I'm already amazed by the quality of lighting, effects and textures.

[dnpmakkah]

Wow those 3 pictures above looks really nice. Nice find. This is the problem Sony faces. Sony naturally has to uphold to a higher standard due to it's name and historical dominance and E3 2005 didn't help. If this game as is was on the 360 it would be awesome since people don't expect much from it but on the PS3 everyone demands higher quality. Kind of ironic if you ask me...I myself am sometimes guilty of this. I have such high hopes for Sony...the funny thing is that looking back they have never let me down.

[xbdestroya]

The entire animation algorithm has probably just been ported straight from the PS2 versions to get running on PS3 for the purposes of some exploratory gameplay.

This game is at least twelve months away - possibly more like eighteen.

I'm sure between now and then they'll tweak out the engine, one component at a time. In the interim, chillax people, and wait for soem direct feeds. :smoke:

Whether you like the animation or not, I have a feeling the game's still going to impress once a direct feed is provided.

[yoshaw]

What Xb said, Also, Kojima is going to tell people the details of the trailer. Like how it was constructed, how it was put together in time and those kinda details. He did that last year so I suggest people hating on the animation to wait for his personal demos and fansub translation.

[Killing Moon]

have you seen Bioshock? Gears? Lost Planet? Mass Effect? Splinter Cell? Assassin's Creed? They ALL look better than this!

Wow, I can't stand MGS4's animations either, but you need to get the f**k outta' here if GeoW is your defense. Really, that animation is even WORSE.

[Shadow Voa]

God people need to chill out on MGS4, there's still lots of time before this is polished and prepared to perfect. Plus as Yoshaw said, Kojima-san himself will give us the lowdown on how this was all put together and speak about gameplay footage. This is a great time to be a Sony/MGS fan, TGS 06 is going to be sweet!!!

[Killing Moon]

Is it just me who thinks this doesn't look to good? I mean the graphics look ok, Maybe thats just because its low quality, But those movements...They look crappy, All of a sudden I have lost my hype in it:doh:

I have to agree.
It looks great in stills, but they're using the very same stiff, stilted animation schemes from the last 3 games.

Animation, among anything else is what's going to help turn the tide of visual quality for the future. Not just friggin' lighting and normal maps (even if they DO look sexy).

[liver_kick]

The entire animation algorithm has probably just been ported straight from the PS2 versions to get running on PS3 for the purposes of some exploratory gameplay.

That was my hunch as well. There's a couple new things but the transitions look pretty rough in parts and it seems rather legacy like you said. Kojima has harped on animation being a big focus so hopefully its work in progress. They did a similar bit with the TGS '05 trailer using MGS 3 assets for the backgrounds while focusing on Snake's next-gen model and lighting and people still criticized that, so what can you do.

As for the graphics... where on earth are people seeing a downgrade? I mean specifically? Lighting, shadows, textures, modelling, shaders, particle fx etc? Its cam footage so its hard to get fine details and I guess I can't say either way with confidence, but nothing is jumping out there as "downgraded" to me.

[Killing Moon]

God people need to chill out on MGS4, there's still lots of time before this is polished and prepared to perfect. Plus as Yoshaw said, Kojima-san himself will give us the lowdown on how this was all put together and speak about gameplay footage. This is a great time to be a Sony/MGS fan, TGS 06 is going to be sweet!!!

C'mon, let's be real here. I believe that it's pretty obvious that they're not going to change the animation schemes for this title. Maybe for the NEXT MGS....maybe.

We can wait all we want. That animation is NOT getting upgraded. There are just certain obvious guarantees from certain developers that we depend on. THIS is one of them, unfortunately.

Curse me all you want, but you know I'm right.

[masteratt]

Anywho, I think I get the gist of the gameplay.

Use the "Com-Suit" (my name for it ;)) to blend with the textures of the environment but WATCH OUT as it has battery of some sort.

That little robot is your "second man" providing you with help and ammo and probably needles (to re-charge your suit).

Obviously there is more to it as it sounds a bit too bland for a MGS game.
*Turn on com-suit* *kill* *turn off com-suit*

about animations: CMON PEOPLE FOR F SAKE THE GAME IS A YEAR AWAY!!!!!

[liver_kick]

C'mon, let's be real here. I believe that it's pretty obvious that they're not going to change the animation schemes for this title. Maybe for the NEXT MGS....maybe.

We can wait all we want. That animation is NOT getting upgraded. There are just certain obvious guarantees from certain developers that we depend on. THIS is one of them, unfortunately.

Curse me all you want, but you know I'm right.

I won't curse you, but what are you basing your logic on? Something like animation algos are hardly set in stone 12+ months before release. For a recent example Resistence didn't have it's excellent rag doll system in place until a couple months ago.

I dunno, there seems to be some weird eagerness in the gaming community these days to shit on works in progress without applying any context to the course of development.

[Fazares]

i dont know why but the gfx looks better than e3...looking at the scans....

[xbdestroya]

This thread will be the 'official' thread for MGS4 discussion once TGS begins.

[yoshaw]

I dunno, there seems to be some weird eagerness in the gaming community these days to shit on works in progress without applying any context to the course of development.

QFT

PS: I wanna put emphasis on that not only does QFT stand for Quoted for truth but also, Quite Fucking True! Well said Liverkick!

[Grovestreet]

There was no bloody Ragdoll physics either, I hope they add Ragdoll in the final version or this aint gonna be to good.

[fknuckle]

Those 3 pics solidsnakejej(sp) posted look great,and that's from a cam.I love how the skin/texture on that dead guys face looks that's on the ground close to the screen...Looks wonderful,No graphics complaints here

[venomv]

It is impossible to judge the graphics from those videos, but the animation needs some help, it does seem pretty likely they used the MGS3 animations....

[bigwig]

C'mon, let's be real here. I believe that it's pretty obvious that they're not going to change the animation schemes for this title. Maybe for the NEXT MGS....maybe.

We can wait all we want. That animation is NOT getting upgraded. There are just certain obvious guarantees from certain developers that we depend on. THIS is one of them, unfortunately.

Curse me all you want, but you know I'm right.


I know you dont know at least... I mean lots of games have animation up grades...check lost odyssey, the animation is pretty damn poor at this point, but Im sur eit will improve

peace

[Grovestreet]

In Part 1 of that gameplay I see alot of dumb AI and other things.
At 18 sec in you can see Snake just leaning on a wall and for some reason nobody notices him. I dont know maybe they are the soldiers he is helping.
At 46 secs in you see 2 soldiers coming while Snake is playing dead. The soldiers movements are exactly the same.
At 51 secs you see Snake actualy killing one of them and the other one just keeps walking like he is has blind or something. God damn it man, your friend got killed right next to you!
At 1:08 minutes you see Snake moving while he is in a plain, normal barrel. And Snake is also just moving while 3 soldiers are watching him. Then he turns towards them and attacks them while the barrel is spinning
At 1:10 minutes you see them shooting at him and he just keep on rolling. What is that barrel made out from? Titanium?
And at 1:12 minutes Snake actualy TAKES DOWN 3 SOLDIERS with just rolling the barrel at them.
They were all shooting at him, but he rolled them over and they just went down like they got hit by a CAR or something.

Sorry I sound like an MS Fanboy, Complaining over.

[venomv]

Maybe it was a lead barrel............But I thought that was pretty funny though.

[yoshaw]

How do you know from a cam footage that he wasn't taking damage while getting shot at rolling inside the barrel? If you've played other MGS games you know gunfire doesn't instantly kill snake, there is a lifebar that depletes with every bullet he takes you know. Kojima took liberty with the camera angles but is showing gameplay.

Please people, stop with the hair splitting nonsense based on a cam footage! What gives that the piss poor encoding job resulted in crap animations of the resulting video. Let's wait for the US media footage before going bollocks over a korean cam footage.

[Nameless]

I'm starting to think developers should not show work in progress, because morons expect a polished complete product and do not consider you are getting a sneak peak at an incomplete piece of work... The game is a year away, but all the final AI & physics should be implemented, if that's the case the game would be released at launch dumb ass. Also, we have some people analyzing every particle of dirt saying sh* t like, “I can't see Snake's nose hair so the engine was downgraded." Expectations are starting to get ridiculous, IMO. Considering the game is still early in development you would think people would be excited, because of the level of quality so early in development...

It's interesting to see the MGS fans and the people who just jump on the latest videogame bandwagon. All the money spends the same so I guess in the bigger scheme of things it doesn't matter, but you sure do ruin our MGS thread. Peace

[OmniCloud]

YO!!! What is the issue HERE:huh: MGS series is the creme of the FREAKIN CROP!!!!! no game has EVER disapointed and this will be no different. Did any1 read there idiot post before actually posting it??! Some of u guys sound like ur programmers or something:huh: The game ain't comin out till the end of 07 at the earliest. Look at how far Resistance has come and its just a launch title. I usually don't get madd at people for posted something prematurely-but some of u are forgetting just who Hideo is just from a couple crappy builds from a crappy vid from an early game. That's just BOGUS...if any1 calls themselves a true gamer, then they should really watch what they say. If MGS4 vids are looking like MGS3 come September October or whatever next year then we can bash all we want! But untill then-many of u are simply talking outta ur ass:mad:

Nameless-I just read ur post man...I'm seriously bout to go off on SOMEBODY in here..Don't disrepect KOJIMASAN+rep man...I know the real MGS fans when I see em...

[dockthepod]

I am indeed a programmer (games even...). I don't expect things to be perfect, but I also don't expect Kojima to show something so unpolished looking. The thing that really made the previous trailers so great was the animation, much more so than the graphics for me at least. I understand that things are a work in progress, but to me it's just really strange for them to show something that looks like this after the near perfection of the previous trailers. I'm sure that things will change before ship date, and I'm sure the game will be fantastic. I just don't understand why they'd show it in this state.

[OmniCloud]

^I feel u man...

[Nameless]

^^ To simply prove the visuals are ingame...
I agree it was not a good idea and they should have stuck with cinematic trailers. I may be wrong, but I think Sony put on the pressure to show some actual gameplay to hype the PS3. (PR folks don't know sh*t about game development...)

It's not that big of a deal, because all the real MGS fans know Kojima will deliver, but it just ruins the thread to have all these other people bitch about every nuance of the footage...

[Phryne Astynome]

I am indeed a programmer (games even...). I don't expect things to be perfect, but I also don't expect Kojima to show something so unpolished looking. The thing that really made the previous trailers so great was the animation, much more so than the graphics for me at least. I understand that things are a work in progress, but to me it's just really strange for them to show something that looks like this after the near perfection of the previous trailers. I'm sure that things will change before ship date, and I'm sure the game will be fantastic. I just don't understand why they'd show it in this state.

People whined about the textures and the frame rates in the previous trailers actually. So the previous trailers could be considered unpolished as well.

Personally, I am not interested in the next gen like I used to be and I probably won't purchase a next gen console until 2009/2010 at the earliest.

[The_One]

I am indeed a programmer (games even...). I don't expect things to be perfect, but I also don't expect Kojima to show something so unpolished looking. The thing that really made the previous trailers so great was the animation, much more so than the graphics for me at least. I understand that things are a work in progress, but to me it's just really strange for them to show something that looks like this after the near perfection of the previous trailers. I'm sure that things will change before ship date, and I'm sure the game will be fantastic. I just don't understand why they'd show it in this state. Konami probably forced him to, just like how Ken Kutaragi forced the creator of the GT series to showoff an "incomplete and utterly craptastic 1 week port of GT4" during E3 2006.

[curryking1]

Please ignore, sry!

[xbdestroya]

Ok, transition time...

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=62164

[Nameless]

What time will the MGS press conference begin?

[DEATHRAY]

someone said something about there being no rag doll physics.

first part of the clip, look at the guys body after Snake shoots him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbZ6nvU2vRI

[curryking1]

Thanks for the video DEATHRAY.

[TEEDA]

MGS 4 6 minutes TGS 2006 trailer : ( WMV direct streaming )

mms://i-revo1.channel.ne.jp/tgs2006/kojipro/mgs4_tgs2006_j_03_xGqqXl5w.wmv

[The_One]

Wow, nice twist at the end!

Snake is Young Again!!!

[Fats]

Bah. I can't even get it to work.

[TEEDA]

If you can't watch perfectly or have some problems I suggest you to view it there, at the website i' m working for :

http://www.playfrance.com/news-tgs-2006-metal-gear-solid-4-le-trailer.html

[Shadow Voa]

I'm in total shock... did I see what I think I did?

[Siraris]

Wow it plays for 4 seconds and then the video stops.

[solidsnakejej]

yes!! I was hoping this would happen. I'm download with hidownload almost done.:banana:

[yoshaw]

I'm more than 50% done uploading it. wait for it.

Direct feed low-res 6min trailer(42.4MB)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KMVK0VML

[ivarinn]

omg
mog
gmo

[Fillibuster]

OMGzzzz!!!111!1!!!1!111

[carambole5]

You definitely should check this out

ruliweb.dreamwiz.com/data/rulinews/read.htm?page=&num=14981&find=&ftext=

just add h t t p: //

click on the screens and look at the resolution...

And a video here:

ruliwebfile.dreamwiz.com/mpeg3/tgs2006/TGS06_MGS4_PV_RP.mov

340mb

[Fats]

If you can't watch perfectly or have some problems I suggest you to view it there, at the website i' m working for :

http://www.playfrance.com/news-tgs-2006-metal-gear-solid-4-le-trailer.html

+Rep. Thank you.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Oh...my....fucking...god (http://ruliwebfile.dreamwiz.com/mpeg3/tgs2006/TGS06_MGS4_PV_RP.mov)
Same link as carambole^

[Nameless]

Whoa.... Is the old man face part of the Octo Camo? WTF... :wtf:

[Siraris]

All those shots are 1080p btw.

[Nodieza]

Jeeeesus, everyone can finally stfu about the gameplay and visuals, that's just the coolest trailer I've seen, then ending boggled my mind. Awsome!!!!

[solidsnakejej]

Oh and BTW that raven at 5:13 to 5:17 could be a symbol for vulcan raven. Plus HGW doing the music FTW.

[Pumpkin Head]

That was incredible...wow

[Illmatic]

The official footage is here ;)

http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/english/index.html

[Shadow Voa]

@ Teeda
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TEEDA again."

You are my hero man, once I spread some around its coming straight back to you!!!

[yoshaw]

UPLOADED

MGS4 trailer (lowres directfeed 42.4mb)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KMVK0VML

[Rai]

thank u

[dnpmakkah]

Yes that video is very nicely put together. Music is very atmospheric. I can't wait till I can download the video and not have to sit through the interuption.

[MaceSin]

Holy Shit!!

[yoshaw]

Not working? :(
http://ruliwebfile.dreamwiz.com/mpeg3/tgs2006/TGS06_MGS4_PV_RP.mov

[liver_kick]

Awesome, thanks yoshaw!

[Red_Eyes]

I must said, the young Snake at the end of the trailer is pretty surprising. But is that really Solid Snake? Or is that Big Boss? Or, is the old Snake actually Big Boss and the young one is Solid Snake. Or, is it all just the work of the camo-suit? Liquid?

[TEEDA]

Not working? :(
http://ruliwebfile.dreamwiz.com/mpeg3/tgs2006/TGS06_MGS4_PV_RP.mov

Looks like they are uploading it , it goes from 140 MB to 203 MB and now 243 MB

[iceman2654]

Absolutely amazing. It's nice to see that touch of humour

[curryking1]

Looks like they are uploading it , it goes from 140 MB to 203 MB and now 243 MB

Those bastards! Why can't they upload the video and then give the link for it! I d/l it for nothing! I have very limited d/l bandwidth at university you bastard site!

[PUNK em 733]

HOLY SHIT!! I knew there was gonna be a surprise twist in this game...there always is in a Kojima game.

[solidsnakejej]

Doubt it but does anyone know if there is going to be live coverage for kojima production line-up?

[TEEDA]

Those bastards! Why can't they upload the video and then give the link for it! I d/l it for nothing! I have very limited d/l bandwidth at university you bastard site!

440 MB now I wonder if it will be up to 1 GO lol

[Sephiroth_VII]

It's at 454.49 mb now. I think we've got an HD-version!!! Download now, it's completed!!!

[curryking1]

440 MB now I wonder if it will be up to 1 GO lol


Urggh! It better not! My daily d/l limit IS 1 GB LOL!

Maybe I'll just wait for midnight, not a long time to go lol.

[yoshaw]

Looks like they are uploading it , it goes from 140 MB to 203 MB and now 243 MB

454.95MB now! Been this for the last 4 mins

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Man why is so huge!? It's only 6 minutes, right???

[Nameless]

^ I have the gut feeling it's 1080P resolution...

[Carlos]

The trailer is crazy, I mean the sneaking, everything is nuts.

MGS4 will MAKE the PS3. No doubt.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

GODDAMNIT.
IT'S SO HUGE, MY ETA IS LIKE 4 HOURS.
*CRIES*
Sigh....
Not fair.

[solidsnakejej]

I only have a hour and a half left.

[liver_kick]

400k a sec, 10 minutes left. :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

SCREW YOU BUDDY.
here, smaller, more manageable version at gametrailers.com.
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1743

[dockthepod]

Okay, so what the hell? Why did the animations look so much worse in the shaky cam footage? These aren't perfect, but they don't look offensive like in the other shot. I'm so confused!

[Carlos]

Oh my god, we're complaining about camera style now?

You guys wanted realism, you got it, but now that you guys saw a good looking game with a realistic, and stylish camera, you start complaining.

[liver_kick]

UGH. I have no idea whats going on with that huge file size, but its NOT HD. Same res as the original. WTF?

[dockthepod]

Oh my god, we're complaining about camera style now?

You guys wanted realism, you got it, but now that you guys saw a good looking game with a realistic, and stylish camera, you start complaining.

Was that to me? I was talking about the previous shaky cam footage that showed up this morning. The animation was all crazy in that one. In this one, it looks much much better. It's quite vexing.

[Raijin]

I still didnt get any new video from MGS4, so I'm waiting! But the whole upgrade, downgrade seems absolutely hilarious.

[masonite]

yeh, some of the emotions and mevements seemed a bit sudden and wooden, but they could just be placeholders until the final version. like when snake grits his teeth, or when the gear turns around. but then other times it was very fluent... IMO, it was probably rushed in to make the trailer. even so, it was incredibly impressive, especially that stuff with the barrel...and you could actually see through the rusted holes in the barrel!!!

looks like theres going to be huge combinations of movements too though, which opens up huge new possibilities for how to approach each part of the game. good times ahead....

also, i wonder if they made that twist at the end (the one everyone is making spoiler warnings for) due to public reception? or if it was always on the cards...

[yoshaw]

UGH. I have no idea whats going on with that huge file size, but its NOT HD. Same res as the original. WTF?

You mean the ruliweb quicktime 400+meg file? 0_0 It's not HD???

Fuck ruliweb, I better stop my slow as hell download NOW! 20-30KB/sec speed and if all its gonna give me after 3 hours is a low-res file. Motherfu.... aarrrgh.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

man, I posted a link to the gametrailers video. It's just under 50megabytes.
And..man that was amazing.

[liver_kick]

You mean the ruliweb quicktime 400+meg file? 0_0 It's not HD???

Fuck ruliweb, I better stop my slow as hell download NOW! 20-30KB/sec speed and if all its gonna give me after 3 hours is a low-res file. Motherfu.... aarrrgh.

Yeah the ruliweb vid, sorry I didn't clarify. Its 400+ megs and the same res as the other direct feed. I have no idea whats going on there.

[Garfunkel]

bloody good stuff! i had no interest in mgs untill 4 was unveiled and now i am lovin' it

[LaLiLuLeLo]

HEY. LOOK OVER HERE.

SCREW YOU BUDDY.
here, smaller, more manageable version at gametrailers.com.
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1743

[Sephiroth_VII]

They just posted an uncompressed version!!!!!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

is anyone paying attention to me?

[yoshaw]

^LOL Yes, once was enough >.< Gametrailers has the same as the one I uploaded to megaupload. No?

Liverkick
Thanks for the warnings mate. Saved me 3 hours of useless bandwidth expenditure and time.

[makeitlookreal]

Is the Ruliweb version true HD? What is the deal with that trailer? Should I download it or not? What resolution is it?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

no it isn't. it's not worth the bother for 450+ megs.. just download the gametrailers.com one I posted. sheesh.

[makeitlookreal]

The game trailers version is not even STANDARD definition. It's 480 x 270! Does anyone know of a 720P or higher version of it can be located!

[OmniCloud]

man..screw the freaking Hi-res stuff-u guys are so technical-u can see everything clearly on the trailers from sites--More Importantly--WHO"S THAT FREAKIN GUY AT THE END OF THE TRAILER?????????????????????!!!

[curryking1]

Thanks for the trailer link LaLiLuLeLo2003

So... would anyone like to let me in on what the deal was with the end of that trailer?

Excellent music in the trailer by the way. And it does seem almost for sure that they simply ported the animations straight from MGS3, I'm convinced they will be replaced by more fluid animations later.

I was really impressed with the fear aspect of the game. I actually felt sad for the guy that was running away and it was disturbing in a way like it is always to see a grown man run fearful and cry like that. That aspect was well done I found.

Excellent trailer no doubt, and the graphics are quite the amazing for sure.

[curryking1]

Thanks for the trailer link LaLiLuLeLo2003

So... would anyone like to let me in on what the deal was with the end of that trailer?

Excellent music in the trailer by the way. And it does seem almost for sure that they simply ported the animations straight from MGS3, I'm convinced they will be replaced by more fluid animations later.

I was really impressed with the fear aspect of the game. I actually felt sad for the guy that was running away and it was disturbing in a way like it is always to see a grown man run fearful and cry like that. That aspect was well done I found.

Excellent trailer no doubt, and the graphics are quite the amazing for sure.

[CrumCon]

The soldiers moves like shit, man im dissapointed. i though we would see realistic animation from the characters, b ut all the soldiers has the same moves as the other soldiers.

a big let down.

the trailers shows great realistic animations, but gameplay looks so dull

[LaLiLuLeLo]

The game trailers version is not even STANDARD definition. It's 480 x 270! Does anyone know of a 720P or higher version of it can be located!

sorry milr. You'll just have to be satisfied with 'pretty good' at the moment. It's not like you can't tell the graphics aren't amazing (cuz I know that's all you're interested in).

[julps31]

Wow @ the end of the trailer. Thats a shocking twist lol. Is the trailer floatin around this thread, the same trailer that was posted in the Tgs keynote speech thread?

But the game is lookin incredible...looks like it'll be up there with the best MGS's. And MGS is one of thos games that leave you with memories. This should be good.

[Carlos]

Agh. Whatever you naysayers, I'm getting MGS4.

E-mpire is turning into a GAF-bitchfest.

[makeitlookreal]

Click this for 1080P!

http://image2.ruliweb.com/data/news7/09m/tgs2006/22/ps3/mgs4_16.jpg

This is a HUGE image of Snake where you can see he looks every bit as good as what we saw at TGS in the demo. For that to now be in 1080P is amazing. I would rather it be in 720P with more effects, but the sheer power of the PS3 is stunning.

What I was trying to ask earlier is if the previous link to the ruliweb file is actually a WORKING file? Is it REAL? Can I download it?

[julps31]

Yea man...the textures in the game look amazing. I could tell that from the 40MB trailer. Everything looks fine to me...including the in-game animations. Even though i would like them to be more veried since it does look a lil akward to see them walkin side by side in the exact same way lol. No biggy tho...everything is so smooth and crisp. I forgive it.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

the ruliweb file is the same quality as the gametrailers one. only it's 9 times the size.

[Nodieza]

man..screw the freaking Hi-res stuff-u guys are so technical-u can see everything clearly on the trailers from sites--More Importantly--WHO"S THAT FREAKIN GUY AT THE END OF THE TRAILER?????????????????????!!!


I am thinking either it's old snake wearing a young face camo or the other way around. If that's the real young snake then I've missed what Kojima has been trying to do with this game, so confused...

PS Love your new sig ^.^

[julps31]

Same thing i was thinking...^ But thats the obvious conclusions. But i'm excited to see how it turns out.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

He's messing with our heads yet again. Don't think about it, it's a trick somehow. He's just messing with us like always. Just smile at the purty pictures and the gameplay.

[Nodieza]

Yeah but one thing I did notice, none of the shots (in the new trailer mind you), had "old snake" wearing the solid eye, yet the "black masked snake" did and if I remember correctly the masked person had a white mullet, and "young snake" didn't have the solid eye, that's got my mind going all over the place. 3 diffferent people?

Kojima kojima, pulling a MGS 3 having us believe there is more to it than meets the eye....

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Sigh....I'M TELLIN YOU MAN. Don't think about it! It'll just hurt!
Just smile and wave. smile and wave....

[Applefiend]

My guess is that "the freaking man at the end of the trailer" is next generation Solid Snake. They made a new one from his genes. Probably ties into his gun in the mouth at the end. He kills his own image, then kills himself.

:)

[VG Aficionado]

Fellows, I'm so impressed!!!! =-o

[yoshaw]

Where had you been? You were missed and more importantly you missed it all. And it was chaos but fun! Although wherever I wanted to update someone had already beaten me to it, I hate my upload speed :cry2:

[VG Aficionado]

I've been in Morpheus' realm, if you know what I mean ;)

And when I turn my computer on 90 minutes ago... man, this is what I call a blowout!

A new young Snake? What the hell??? =-o

[VG Aficionado]

The new gameplay trailer was very interesting and impressive, but I understand why some people are (unfairly) disappointed. Good thing I can see the whole picture of this matter. They should have included a "Work in progress" tag though since it looks like we will still have to wait for more than a year to get our hands on it. It's just really unfair to compare it to other nearly-finished games or games that aren't even similar.

Oh, and I guess Naomi's role will have something to do with the ending of this new trailer ;)

[Z]

I love how the octocam is working. they showed more more ideas on how to use it than I thought possible. and the controls- oh the controls. you can rol over, crawl on your back and fire...they really look like they are amping the MGS control scheme.

another idea I got is when I saw him 'blending in' with the statues. it seems that there will be 'ideal' blending places where Snake will assume a specific pose in the game. really good trailer.
I would seriously be up to a full movie made with those graphics and presentation.

[.®]

I'm so confused, he was old then young again and... the mask, the solid eye was there then it was gone. I'm not even going to try I give up.

[agentorange]

I hope no one will be angry with me. I love MGS series but after seeing the pics and vids and comparing it to the first pics and vids when it was unveiled last year, its justs me but I think it is downgraded a bit especially the textures

[solidsnakejej]

It's not looking to good for young snake. In the trailer around 5:40 you can see gray hair coming out of the back of the mask. Is Kojima trying to trick us?
http://xs206.xs.to/xs206/06385/Old_snake_1.jpg (http://xs.to)
http://xs206.xs.to/xs206/06385/old_snake_2.PNG (http://xs.to)

[B Dizzle]

the younger guy at the end of the trailer is . . . . . .. . . . .







Snake's (sexually ambiguous)cousin Toad. He loves tie-die shirts, makes wooden furniture and creates his own soya-based recipes. He doesnt get out much:there have been few women linked to him and you'd have to be some hardcore papparazzi to get any intimate snaps of him enjoying his favourite past-time (playing the harpsichord in a basque and mules).

MGS4 may be his coming out party........

as for the rest of the trailer. great gunga-munga Kojima did it again!!!

on another topic

does the textue resolution tell you how great a game this is gonna be? does 2x,4x or 214x AA define, in your humble opinion, whether a game is worthy of purchase.

I can see from the 3inch sqaure window that I watched the trailer in(gamevideos.com taking some heavy hits) that this game will take no prisoners. 720 or 1080 wont make that any clearer.

[NickSCFC]

Click this for 1080P!

http://image2.ruliweb.com/data/news7/09m/tgs2006/22/ps3/mgs4_16.jpg

This is a HUGE image of Snake where you can see he looks every bit as good as what we saw at TGS in the demo. For that to now be in 1080P is amazing. I would rather it be in 720P with more effects, but the sheer power of the PS3 is stunning.

What I was trying to ask earlier is if the previous link to the ruliweb file is actually a WORKING file? Is it REAL? Can I download it?

1080 doesn't always mean 1080p...

the game could be 1080i, I wish developers would list these things.

[VG Aficionado]

My own little theory on the young Snake:

The old Snake really suicides, but not before finding Naomi and transferring his memes to a younger clone. Thus, the young Snake is the same good ol' (pun intended) Snake we all know and love.

To be honest, I think they should have kept this twist for the release. It would have had the contrary effect that Raiden's appearance had in MGS2, IMO :) I wonder if there's more to it though, since Kojima loves to tease us... Could this be related to the Patriots' immortality? Transferring their memes to younger bodies to live on. Emma hinted at this possibility in MGS2.

[Z]

I say he just dies his hair. remember in MGS2, you could re-play the game with 2 or 3 hair colors (each having its own status alteration).

sure, some may say 'but his face isn't wrinkled', but it doesn't bother me. I don't net-pick too much when we only have a 6 min. trailer. I am moe spoofed by the gameplay atmosphere. and damn, what an atmosphere it is!

also, MGS influenced games dramatically with its 'espionage' mechanic. sure, it wasn't the first game to use it, but it sure as hell told everyone else to play monkey. and now, I think it is obvious that the Octocam will do the same; it looks like many a game will use the same principle in their game. kudos to Kojima and Konami to yet again influence the whole industry like few could claim.