Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[Nerve-Damage]

HQ PIC'S (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/imgs_1.html) :trismile:

[KiLLA2006]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/KiLLA2005/metal-gear-solid-4-2005091507283927.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/KiLLA2005/metal-gear-solid-4-2005091507284335.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/KiLLA2005/metal-gear-solid-4-2005091507283829.jpg

BEAUTY AT ITS BEST

[Mr_Nothin]

lol FPS = Forget Pre-Rendered Stuff....
oh...that kojima

[black_13]

well i know MMST is the type of movie format for Linux.

It should play with a player like MPlayer which I'm trying to get and see if it works better with that. If I can actually get it work, i'll try to upload it somewhere else.

[LiquidEagle]

Whoopsie!

[Jasonps3]

Also try this:

http://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=33LT3XCVDEOHW3KCXYRVGETQSK

[Raijin]

Are you kidding me? Real-time stuff!!!???

Unbelievable!

[black_13]

here's another link i found.

http://files.filefront.com/mgs4wmv/;4145005;;/fileinfo.html

They're all bad quality though, a high res version should be up tom by konami.

[LiquidEagle]

Bad quality or not, this game is beyond beautiful. Easily passes Killzone if you ask me.

Another note -- The MGS4 hour hasn't even started yet. We could very well see another trailer with more to it, possibly Raiden, Vamp, or so on. This was probably (this is a complete guess) shown in the first hour about Kojima Productions in general, and I'm guessing that in an hour of discussion about MGS4, we'll see more. We can only hope...

[Nerve-Damage]

Credit: _leech_
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/769/mgs4consoleover5xn.jpg

[LiquidEagle]

:laugh: x 10

Too good, too true.

[KiLLA2006]

LMAO that is the funniest kick to the nads ever displayed on a big screen tv poor microsoft they were the prey for this swift kick

[xbdestroya]

Oh man just watched the low res trailer - INCREDIBLE!

Wow.

Wow wow wow.

Can't wait for the high res, but damn forget nonsense about still shots and aliasing; all that just fades away when you're watching the trailer.

Did anyone catch the line about how the robot companion has a Cell procesor? Too much!!!! :smoke:

[LiquidEagle]

1up's impressions of the trailer also say that Otacon says the Cell is the key to the console war or something like that, I wonder if it's just missing from this cut or something? Anyways, I've been glued at my computer long enough! I need food before the next hour starts! hehehe

[Saibo]

Oh man just watched the low res trailer - INCREDIBLE!

Wow.

Wow wow wow.

Can't wait for the high res, but damn forget nonsense about still shots and aliasing; all that just fades away when you're watching the trailer.

Did anyone catch the line about how the robot companion has a Cell procesor? Too much!!!! :smoke:

some smaller things that you..missed. notice when the wall got bombed, he falls flat on his face on the floor. It create a imprint on the left side of his face(you can see it abit later), not only imprint, but dirt was present on it also.. :aim=-o:

[xbdestroya]

some smaller things that you..missed. notice when the wall got bombed, he falls flat on his face on the floor. It create a imprint on the left side of his face(you can see it abit later), not only imprint, but dirt was present on it also.. :aim=-o:

I noticed the scratches/dirt, but didn't know they came from the fall. Awesome! :birthday:

[TEEDA]

completely outstanding , Sony didn't Lie at all , Konamy proves it can't wait to See more games like DMC 4 , Tekken , GT5 and of course Killzone soon .
is the 130 MB torrent file a fake ?

[LiquidEagle]

Still downloading... So I'm not sure yet. It was added on 5/19/05 so I've heard it's the E3 video running on PS2 hardware, but it was "refreshed" today, whatever that means. I'll post as soon as I find out. It's tough 'cause there's like no complete sharers...

Also, what gets me is the detail on even the hydraulics and the screws on MGM2. Holy macaroni! I didn't notice that dust thing though, time to re-watch :-D...

***ANOTHER EDIT*** I noticed the imprint! Noice! Also, when it shows the Metal Gear walking with the troops, it digs up and piles up the sand around it as well. I had to watdch it in slow-mo to make sure, but it does. I can't believe how this game not only looks amazing, but it's got so much going on under the hood it's ridiculous.

[Slipphreake]

I really wish I could watch it right now (it sounds incredible), but I have to go to work. So maybe when I get back it will be uploaded somewhere.

[xbdestroya]

Guys just wait for Konami's video to go up for the high-res. I think that torrent might be the E3 teaser = not what you want.

Until then, this is the way:
http://files.filefront.com/mgs4wmv/...;/fileinfo.html

[Saibo]

Also, what gets me is the detail on even the hydraulics and the screws on MGM2. Holy macaroni! I didn't notice that dust thing though, time to re-watch :-D...

yeah, that was impressive also:D, what, you didnt notice the dust?:P thats the first thing i notice, and junk flying around, it truelly feels like a battle scene!!

you guys want to see something funny, just read all the denail:

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=373097

some people...<rolleyes>

[xbdestroya]

Yeah it's pretty ridiculous alright. I think some people were just expecting - well, not expecting to like it as much as they did. And since Kojima defuses the 'pre-rendered' line straight off in his trailer, the accusation becomes, "well, it's not live gameplay..."

Psssh!

[LiquidEagle]

Just finally finished the torrent and it's the E3 trailer. I'll re-edit my post to get rid of it since it's totally useless here. Sorry about posting before trying guys.

As for the denial, I don't even want to read past the second page. I'll just get mad :laugh:

What didn't those guys understand about "Forget the Pre-rendered Stuff!" though?

[Mr_Nothin]

Im just now thinking of this!!
"No Place To Hide"
Are all of those people looking for snake?!?!
Why would that many people and machines walk around looking for somethin?
It must be really significant.
"No Place to Hide"
OMG, thats going to be intense.

[casualkiss]

The torent file is the previous E3 trailer, not the new one! (how dissapointing is that). If anyone has the torrent link to the NEW trailer in HD, please post it.

[xbdestroya]

There's no way the HD trailer will be leaked yet - I just don't think it's possible. Seriously, post #270 in this thread - just download the 20MB low-res version. You are seriously missing out every moment more of your life you go on without seeing this.

[Illmatic]

some smaller things that you..missed. notice when the wall got bombed, he falls flat on his face on the floor. It create a imprint on the left side of his face(you can see it abit later), not only imprint, but dirt was present on it also.. :aim=-o:



I noticed the scratches/dirt, but didn't know they came from the fall. Awesome! :birthday:


I seen it as: The dirt on his face was caused by the fall, and the marks are sweat marks from sweat dripping down his face. :smoke:

[LiquidEagle]

Gamespot says Konami will be putting the trailer on the MGS4 site after the show closes for the day, which is about an hour from now I believe. That means you can watch this trailer a good 5 or 6 times in low res to prep yourself for the hi-res one!

Of course Gamespot could be wrong, don't hold me responsible if it isn't up!

Sorry again about the bad torrent link!

[TEEDA]

from gamespot

We don't need to tell you that Guns of the Patriots looks utterly incredible--the screenshots certainly speak for themselves--and unlike some other PS3 games shown back at E3, we can say with confidence that enough aliasing and pixellated textures were evident in this trailer to indicate that it was running smoothly in real-time. This is pretty much one of the best-looking games we've ever seen.

lol

[KiLLA2006]

Just finished watch WOW, i noticed it all, especially the line "Its running on a Cell Processor" (reffering to the little machine otacon was talking on) HILARIOUS!!! I also noticed the dirt and dismissed it saying, no they couldn't even try that... then at later review THEY DID IT!!!

[xbdestroya]

Yeah, I'm going to bed now, as much as I don't want to. Eastern US and all. ;)

Anyway to anyone who has not yet seen the video, your orders are to watch it!

Here is the link: LINK (http://files.filefront.com/mgs4wmv/...;/fileinfo.html)

:smoke:

[LiquidEagle]

Suddenly, the trailer cuts to the viewpoint of the larger Metal Gears patrolling the street: It's spotted Snake, so he has to make a run for it. Snake's high-tech new eyepatch comes in handy, allowing him to scan the area, view a large overhead map, and get critical info on targets. Snake and his robot pal make a run for it, leaping and shooting in majestic slow-mo as the stunningly realistic cityscape shatters around him. The spindly, bidpedal Metal Gears leap across the street, causing massive, earthshaking thuds as they land. Bullets fill the air, absurd amounts of debris, smoke, and particles obscure your vision, and intense waves of heat warp your view. War on the PS3 looks like hell, and MGS4's "No place to hide" mantra seems all too true.

Sadly, the action comes to an end quickly, leaving you wanting more. Snake recalls Otacon's explanation of his little robot and asks, "Hey, what is that Cell processor, anyway?" Here, Kojima breaks the fourth wall and goes all meta on us: Otacon breaks out his laptop (complete with Zone of the Enders 2 wallpaper) and shows Snake Sony's rubber-duckies-in-a- bathtub demo, followed by the too-good-to-be-true Killzone PS3 demo from E3. Otacon continues, telling Snake that the Cell processor is "The key to winning the console war." He also promises that MGS4 will be "worth the wait." We're guessing he's right.

That's from 1up.com. It's not only funny as hell, but it's got more action...hopefully the Konami version has this bit in there. Whoever was recording this video for the low-res version we have obviously didn't know that Metal Gear trailers will have at least 2 false endings with random stuff happening afterwards :laugh:

[KiLLA2006]

Sleep time for me, but ill be up bright and early night

[L3XO]

hmm, i think the big robots legs should be fixed up to look more roboty.. just looks a bit weird.

as for the small otacon robot, i think the dancing and twirling is a bit unrealistic, anyway, thats my thoughts so far. Model graphics look good, but the actual texture quality looks kind of low, bit like HL2, didnt see any bumpmapping or HDRlighting either.

[Theo]

Just watched the video! It's incredible, even at small size and in horrible quality! Bring on the HQ version already...

BTW: Didn't Kojima mention that we'll see Raiden in the TGS demo?...Perhaps we have yet to see a "full version"...

[GUNDAMSEED]

i stay whole night to see this i can go to sleep now . all sony need was mgs4 WTF this trailer kick so much ass. tor hopefully they have a high res one .

good night to all

[LiquidEagle]

Well Konami updated their top TGS site with a small blurb that shows up as a bunch of boxes and italicized f's & g's to me, but it's small and I can't seen an update anywhere, so I think it just says the first day of TGS ended. Now would be the time that they would update with that MGS4 video, but I haven't seen anything yet. I think it's safe to go to sleep guys :-þ

[Illmatic]

Shorter, but higher res.

http://xboxattitude.free.fr/videos/mgs4_tgs2005.wmv

This got my heart pumping

:smoke:

[Chris Metal]

Well one thing we can tell from the trailer is it takes place X years after MGS2. I'm pretty sure thats what it said, or X years after Big Shell.

[Illmatic]

Wasn't it "X Years after Big Shell"?

Everyone should check out the higher res clip i posted just above, the camera is on an angle, but it looks amazing, seeing it in this quality is like seeing MGS4 for the first time again.

[Chris Metal]

When I look at the high res vid, I hardly notice aliasing, If at all. But damn it looks nice!

[dantruon]

Man i so grateful for this site with the up-to minute update, in contrast at beyond3d, there is not even a single thread about mgs4 the biggest game title at tgs this year, so dissappointed. But on the positive note, mgs4 is magnificient !!!

[Maya 5.0]

Yes i believe it was " X years after Bigshell"

I am just loving the way we can see the Metal Gears and soldiers walking down the road.Their walk and motions just seem so natural.

O and we for sure need the video of that "The console war is over" picture posted before.That should be on our front page.

[Illmatic]

Man i so grateful for this site with the up-to minute update, in contrast at beyond3d, there is not even a single thread about mgs4 the biggest game title at tgs this year, so dissappointed. But on the positive note, mgs4 is magnificient !!!


They've had a few, the first was locked due to stupidity, now the main thread is here.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23576&page=1&pp=25

I got the high-res clip from there.

[dantruon]

They've had a few, the first was locked due to stupidity, now the main thread is here.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23576&page=1&pp=25

I got the high-res clip from there.

My bad, i didnt look into the console game thread, there are some good arguments going on in there while everyone waits for the HD trailer.

[Jasonps3]

There's going to be more than one MGS4 Trailer on the site, because it says "TGS Trailers" on the site.

http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/english/mgs4_04.html

[Fats]

Okay, okay... I take back EVERYTHING that I've said. That really did look beautiful, I had the chills and everything. The pictures clearly didn't do the game justice!

[julps31]

All I can say after watching that trailers is WOW. Saying this game looks incredible is an understatement. Talk about CG quality graphics. This game is gonna kill man... Can't wait for the hi-res.

[Saibo]

hmm, i think the big robots legs should be fixed up to look more roboty.. just looks a bit weird.

as for the small otacon robot, i think the dancing and twirling is a bit unrealistic, anyway, thats my thoughts so far. Model graphics look good, but the actual texture quality looks kind of low, bit like HL2, didnt see any bumpmapping or HDRlighting either.

I disagree, i think the contrast in the organic looking leg, against the rest of the robotic looking body , keeps your interest longer.

The MK II robot twirling wasnt meant to be realistic, IMO..it was meant as comedy relief..i sure had a good smile/laugh. Its Kojima style, which it learn from a film maker. Contrast serious/scary feeling with a side of comedy.

I just hope they support a keyboard and mouse for online play.

[woundingchaney]

Well once again all we are presented with is scripted scenes and no real idea of gameplay. I realize the marketing strategy behind this but its getting kind of old. I may sound like a broken record here but the trailer is obviously a cut scene and probably doesnt represent the actual gameplay (opinion). It was a very well done trailer but thats all it is (at least the one I found on Gametrailer, cant seem to find any others).

[The_One]

Yeah, I'm going to bed now, as much as I don't want to. Eastern US and all. ;)

Anyway to anyone who has not yet seen the video, your orders are to watch it!

Here is the link: LINK (http://files.filefront.com/mgs4wmv/...;/fileinfo.html)

:smoke:
Nooo! Broken link!

[Fats]

Try one of the other links The_One!

[julps31]

Shorter, but higher res.

http://xboxattitude.free.fr/videos/mgs4_tgs2005.wmv

This got my heart pumping

:smoke:Did you try this one The One.

[Illmatic]

Short version) High-Res + camera on an angle.

http://access.scej-online.jp/counter/tgs2005/pv_tt.wvx


Full length low res.

http://files.filefront.com/mgs4wmv/;4145005;;/fileinfo.html

[The_One]

Did you try this one The One.
Yeah, I saw that one already.

@Vejita: Thanks for the second link, w00t!

[julps31]

I checked the longer one one Gametrailers and was impressed by the look of the gameplay with the first person camera angle. So I would download both if I was you. Can't wait for the full hi-res trailer.

[The_One]

Hey, you guys saw the part where Otacon says that the MKII is equiped with the CELL Processor? The MKII kinda danced around and fell over, maybe that's Kojima's subtle joke that the CELL is hard to program for, hehe :D.

[Saibo]

Well once again all we are presented with is scripted scenes and no real idea of gameplay. I realize the marketing strategy behind this but its getting kind of old. I may sound like a broken record here but the trailer is obviously a cut scene and probably doesnt represent the actual gameplay (opinion). It was a very well done trailer but thats all it is (at least the one I found on Gametrailer, cant seem to find any others).

omg, lets not start that here..its bad enough at beyond3d. Its a realtime cutscene, the only thing it'll show me, is the look and feel of the game, just as MGS2 did with their e3 cutscene. Watever the gameplay is like, in the final product for MGS4..its going to pwn,regardless. This is Kojima,were talking about.

[Domination]

Well once again all we are presented with is scripted scenes and no real idea of gameplay. I realize the marketing strategy behind this but its getting kind of old. I may sound like a broken record here but the trailer is obviously a cut scene and probably doesnt represent the actual gameplay (opinion). It was a very well done trailer but thats all it is (at least the one I found on Gametrailer, cant seem to find any others).

If you mean actual gameplay where the AI takes over for a quick second, then I agree. But if you mean CGI, then that is just plain false. Metal Gear does not have CGI cut-scenes. Hideo Kojima also said he would show a real-time gameplay trailer of Metal Gear 4 at TGS AFTER he was done mentioning that all the footage seen IS the actual in-game footage you will be playing through with Solid Snake.

[Saibo]

If you mean actual gameplay where the AI takes over for a quick second, then I agree. But if you mean CGI, then that is just plan false. Metal Gear does not have CGI cut-scenes. Hideo Kojima also said he would show a real-time gameplay trailer of Metal Gear 4 at TGS AFTER he was done mentioning that all the footage seen IS the actual in-game footage you will be playing through with Solid Snake.

He is refering to someone actually playing the game, as if it was a product, or a demo fo someone playing. Something that shows off the gameplay itself, showing off the HUD, showing switching weapons, switching from first person view to third person view..that kinda stuff. You can kinda of see hints of it, when they went from first person view to ironsight on the solider gun, id imagine it would be possible to switch to third person view in the product, as Kojima already added a 3D camera in MGS3: Subsistance ;) . I dont know if we'll be able to peak around the corner of walls or not..but that be made clear later on.

I dont know why people are expecting to see gameplay footage, from a game that is barely done, their engine isnt even done either(and thats saying alot for thee best looking game for the next gen).

[Domination]

He is refering to someone actually playing the game, as if it was a product, or a demo fo someone playing. Something that shows off the gameplay itself, showing off the HUD, showing switching weapons, switching from first person view to third person view..that kinda stuff. You can kinda of see hints of it, when they went from first person view to ironsight on the solider gun, id imagine it would be possible to switch to third person view in the product, as Kojima already added a 3D camera in MGS3: Subsistance ;) . I dont know if we'll be able to peak around the corner of walls or not..but that be made clear later on.

I dont know why people are expecting to see gameplay footage, from a game that is barely done, their engine isnt even done either(and thats saying alot for thee best looking game for the next gen).

Believe me, I can understand that, but what I am saying is the game was already confirmed outside of Sony to be all in-game footage by the man himself; Hideo Kojima. That would be like me ignoring the fact that Gears of War is real in-game footage for the 360 even after it was confirmed by the developer. I never saw one controller to demonstrate this game running on the 360, but it coming from the actual developer was enough. But I guess when it comes to anyone else other than a favorite supplier, they must be getting bribed on the side to say such things.

Seriously, I don't mean to sound so blunt nor am I targetting a specific person at this time since it seems to be over at B3D as well, but some people really need to swallow their pride and let the ego go sometimes. The excuses are just getting ridiculous.

[Illmatic]

^I totaly agree.

The problem a select few are having is that they think in-game cut scenes look better than the actual game while your playing. They need to understand that it looks the same, it's not like in the cut scenes the textures are rendered at a higher res and the geometry magically goes up and such. It actually looks the same, but in cutscenes you get different camera angles and animation sequences than what you'd get during gameplay for obvious reasons.

edit: although aliasing might be slightly less apparent during cutscenes.

[Saibo]

Believe me, I can understand that, but what I am saying is the game was already confirmed outside of Sony to be all in-game footage by the man himself; Hideo Kojima. That would be like me ignoring the fact that Gears of War is real in-game footage for the 360 even after it was confirmed by the developer. I never saw one controller to demonstrate this game running on the 360, but it coming from the actual developer was enough. But I guess when it comes to anyone else other than a favorite supplier, they must be getting bribed on the side to say such things.

Seriously, I don't mean to sound so blunt nor am I targetting a specific person at this time since it seems to be over at B3D as well, but some people really need to swallow their pride and let the ego go sometimes. The excuses are just getting ridiculous.

My point was, he wasnt debating weather its ingame or not,,he wants to see a gameplay part of it :). Me on the hand, i could careless, i think Kojima is going to pwn, in this area. I kinda think, alot of xbox fanboys would still nitpick on MGS4, even if Kojima show off some gameplay footage though...

Watching the video again, i kinda see Kojima poking fun at KillZone, and implying its feasible to do on the PS3. :D

I totally agree on your last statement, it is indeed getting ridiculous.


^I totaly agree.

The problem a select few are having is that they think in-game cut scenes look better than the actual game while your playing. They need to understand that it looks the same, it's not like in the cut scenes the textures are rendered at a higher res and the geometry magically goes up and such.

Well, one of the xbox fanboys at beyond3d thinks otherwise..i seriously think he was either smoking something green or, has never played a MGS game ever.

As far gameplay animation, i dont think Kojima is using the conventional method, they arent canned animation..call it a gut feeling ;) His doing something unique. We'll see if im right, later on. :cheers:

in other news:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000101&sid=a31Bxym5Bqtc&refer=japan

[NeoPlayStation]

The demo is running in SDK Alpha. It means Cell 2.4Ghz (3.2 in final sdk), 2G/seg bandwith CEll->GPU (35G/seg in final sdk), a half of memory of the final sdk and the final GPU isn´t in the kit. I believe than final game will be better.

[Saibo]

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23601

credit to "one":


A report of "MGS4 on PS3" event @ TGS 2005
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs4.htm

Preliminary to the MGS4 trailer, the E3 trailer and its sequel new PS2-generated joke trailer "METAL GEAR RAIDEN SNAKE ERASER" were shown. Then Kutaragi's video message came ("MGS team is beyond my expectation I want to play MGS4 now blah blah"), and the MGS4 trailer was on screen.

BUT, the awesome thing is, after the trailer shown, they picked a scene in the trailer and actually manipulated (zoom-in, zoom-out, changing viewpoints, adding effects etc.) Snake in realtime on a PS3 devkit, on the stage...

self shadow
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs408.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs409.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs410.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs411.htm

depth of field
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs412.htm

lighting and fog
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs413.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs415.htm

(engineers controlling it)
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs414.htm



EDIT: fixed links

[Domination]

My point was, he wasnt debating weather its ingame or not,,he wants to see a gameplay part of it :). Me on the hand, i could careless, i think Kojima is going to pwn, in this area. I kinda think, alot of xbox fanboys would still nitpick on MGS4, even if Kojima show off some gameplay footage though...

Watching the video again, i kinda see Kojima poking fun at KillZone, and implying its feasible to do on the PS3. :D

I totally agree on your last statement, it is indeed getting ridiculous.




Well, one of the xbox fanboys at beyond3d thinks otherwise..i seriously think he was either smoking something green or, has never played a MGS game ever.

As far gameplay animation, i dont think Kojima is using the conventional method, they arent canned animation..call it a gut feeling ;) His doing something unique. We'll see if im right, later on. :cheers:

in other news:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000101&sid=a31Bxym5Bqtc&refer=japan

Well, I can't really argue with that. But I will say that the trailer was so well out of place that many things could have easily represented the actual gamplay - much like MGS3:SE's trailer. But yes, I would agree to that as well.

[xbdestroya]

"One" is the ultimate source of any information out of Japan.

Since we already knew the thing wasn't pre-rendered, what Kojima did is less 'shocking,' so to speak, but still awesome. ;)

EDIT: Your links are all busted though with the 'copy&paste' Saibo. Can you correct via using the source URL from the pages themselves? I can do it for you if you like as well. :bigpimp:

EDIT: Ok I fixed it. :bigpimp: :bigpimp:

[Saibo]

"One" is the ultimate source of any information out of Japan.

Since we already knew the thing wasn't pre-rendered, what Kojima did is less 'shocking,' so to speak, but still awesome. ;)

EDIT: Your links are all busted though with the 'copy&paste' Saibo. Can you correct via using the source URL from the pages themselves? I can do it for you if you like as well. :bigpimp:

EDIT: Ok I fixed it. :bigpimp: :bigpimp:

Im still new to the quote function :P. Anyway, whos the girl on the left?..she is hot..

If she works for Kojima Production..i might have to put in a resume, even though i dont speak japanese. :cheers:

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs402.htm

[KiLLA2006]

ahhh... i didn't miss much... OTHER THAN METAL GEAR RAIDEN???
i didnt even know that was anything... so were can i get these new trailers...
man going to sleep at 2am central US can kill you jeez
IM TIRED!!!

[woundingchaney]

If you mean actual gameplay where the AI takes over for a quick second, then I agree. But if you mean CGI, then that is just plain false. Metal Gear does not have CGI cut-scenes. Hideo Kojima also said he would show a real-time gameplay trailer of Metal Gear 4 at TGS AFTER he was done mentioning that all the footage seen IS the actual in-game footage you will be playing through with Solid Snake.


Hang on Dom,

Im disappointed because I wanted to see a gameplay example of the game. All this cutscenes and what not are very nice and all but it doenst really represent the game to me. I dont believe that the trailer was cgi. There is still the ongoing debate of whether real time cutscenes look better than gameplay (personally I think they do, cutscenes have a tendency to be velvety smooth and more polished), however I do expect the final game to be at this quality. I wasn't trying to start a pre-rendered debate here (God do you guys think all Im good for is starting a flame fest :aim8-): )

[tazz3]

did any of u see the trailer for mgs 4 i did.
it blows everything out of the water. even killzone.
thank god i am geting a ps3.

[xbdestroya]

I wasn't trying to start a pre-rendered debate here (God do you guys think all Im good for is starting a flame fest :aim8-): )

I agree, leave Wounding alone everyone.

We talk about being among the best 'non-fanboys' on the net, so let's try and make sure we don't lose that in all the MGS4 hype. Certainly among the XBox fanboys of the net, Wounding is of the most reasonable and mild variety - if he could even be considered a 'fanboy' at all! So let's not bug him for wanting to have gameplay instead.


http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/happy/icon_egypt.gif

(had to change up the smilies)

[Coded-Dude]

I haven't gone through all 50+ links provided within this thread to wacth teh clips. I did however, download a full length clip and watch it all the way through.

MGS4 is going to pwn all!

Anywho, the clip was video camera footage of teh bigscreen presentation....is there a high res video of the actual footage(not a video recording of the projected demo)?

Made me want to go smoke a cigarette and shoot some bad guys.....

[Danji]

Well thanks to snake and his new drug problem i have decided to pick up a heroine addiction :(

[Saibo]

Hang on Dom,

I wasn't trying to start a pre-rendered debate here (God do you guys think all Im good for is starting a flame fest :aim8-): )


I know you werent, im pretty sure Dom knows also(by now). BTW, my xbox fanboy comment, was not direct at you..it was torward the ones at other site*cough* teamxbox*cough*. Alot of them are arguing the same thing, thats not gameplay footage..thats cut scene,blah,blah,etc. Like i said, before, even if they get a gameplay footage..they'll find something else to nitpick about(OMGZ, the particles arent "natural", OMG, i cant set that tree on fire, Kojima lied!!).

But more important question..who's the hot chick on the left? Im a asian guy, so i had to ask :)

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs402.htm

:bigpimp:

[woundingchaney]

I know you werent, im pretty sure Dom knows also. BTW, my xbox fanboy comment, was not direct at you..it was torward the ones at other site*cough* teamxbox*cough*. Alot of them are arguing the same thing, thats not gameplay footage..thats cut scene,blah,blah,etc. Like i said, before, even if they get a gameplay footage..they'll find something else to nitpick about(OMGZ, the particles arent "natural", OMG, i cant set that tree on fire, Kojima lied!!).

But more important question..who's the hot chick on the left?

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs402.htm

:bigpimp:


Dont worry about it man. As far as fanboys, well yeah I am an xbox fanboy but not to the point of ridiculing any other person for their preferences, or attempting to negate or deny obvious achievments in gaming (despite the dev or the intended system). It is fair to say that I am a Sony fanboy as well (not big on NIN especially after the controller fiasco), however I am somewhat skeptical to the overall system power of both consoles.

What I really found impressive on the trailer was the character models (absolutely amazing) and partical (dust) effects. Other than that I was kind of disappointed in background quality and the models used for the machinery. I would like to see movement fluidity (is that a word?) and really an over all impression of gameplay (also amount of onscreen characters). Of course this is an early build and things will be improved upon.


I dont the the trailer was the quality of KillZone. In Killzone the amount of onscreen action, onscreen characters, partical effects, background detail, viewpoints, vehicle physics blow MGS4 out of the water (opinion ). I will say that the character models of MGS4 are superior to KillZone.

[Maya 5.0]

I haven't gone through all 50+ links provided within this thread to wacth teh clips. I did however, download a full length clip and watch it all the way through.

MGS4 is going to pwn all!

Anywho, the clip was video camera footage of teh bigscreen presentation....is there a high res video of the actual footage(not a video recording of the projected demo)?

Made me want to go smoke a cigarette and shoot some bad guys.....


At the moment that is what we are really waiting for.these low res versions are good and all but they are only good for so long.I get the feeling it wont be released untill after the show.

[LiquidEagle]

Wounding, what do you mean by viewpoints when you say the Killzone trailer was better (looking) than the MGS4 trailer? That's the only one that made me go "huh?" :laugh:

[woundingchaney]

Wounding, what do you mean by viewpoints when you say the Killzone trailer was better (looking) than the MGS4 trailer? That's the only one that made me go "huh?" :laugh:


Oh, well, I was referring to the first person camera when the character jumped out of the ship, as he looks around, interacts with other characters, etc. I realize this was done in the MGS4 trailer but not to the extent it was taken in the KillZone trailer.


Yes, I realize the MGS series is a third person game.

[julps31]

Oh, well, I was referring to the first person camera when the character jumped out of the ship, as he looks around, interacts with other characters, etc. I realize this was done in the MGS4 trailer but not to the extent it was taken in the KillZone trailer.


Yes, I realize the MGS series is a third person game.What makes you think the first person view point wasn't real-time gameplay? Maybe you can controll snake in first person in MGS4. Even if its not I think thats what the actual game will look like.

[woundingchaney]

What makes you think the first person view point wasn't real-time gameplay? Maybe you can controll snake in first person in MGS4. Even if its not I think thats what the actual game will look like.


Well since MGS has always been third person and the line This isnt FPS this is MGS, I guess the question is what makes you think the first person view is actual gameplay.

(of course I not excluding the possibility)

[.®]

um i think the first person part was a shot at the speculation about the ps3 power, he seems to be reproducing the killzone trailer making fun at those that doubted the ps3.

[Goki]

any1 know when the direct feed trailer is gonna be available?

[Domination]

Hang on Dom,

Im disappointed because I wanted to see a gameplay example of the game. All this cutscenes and what not are very nice and all but it doenst really represent the game to me. I dont believe that the trailer was cgi. There is still the ongoing debate of whether real time cutscenes look better than gameplay (personally I think they do, cutscenes have a tendency to be velvety smooth and more polished), however I do expect the final game to be at this quality. I wasn't trying to start a pre-rendered debate here (God do you guys think all Im good for is starting a flame fest :aim8-): )

Of course not. It's just that it's an obvious, ongoing debate that is being blown completely out of proportion when it really shouldn't be.

Let me also point out that Metal's cut-scenes are the exact style of the actual gameplay if not inferior. There is never anything superior about MG's cut-scenes in comparison to it's game footage. But that's beside the point. Hideo Kojima has confirmed that that is real-time gameplay. I try to compare it to Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater since people once thought the samething as far as a multiple camera angles possibly not representing the actual game. But I do understand what you are saying. I felt, though, that this should have been addressed long before it started since some seem to not be in the know.

[woundingchaney]

Of course not. It's just that it's an obvious, ongoing debate that is being blow completely out of proportion when it really shouldn't be.

Let me also point out that Metal's cut-scenes are the exact style of the actual gameplay if not inferior. There is never anything superior about MG's cut-scenes in comparison to it's game footage. But that's beside the point. Hideo Kojima has comfirmed that that is real-time gameplay. I try to compare it to Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater since people once thought the samething as far as a multiple camera angles possibly not representing the actual game. But I do understand what you are saying. I felt, though, that this should have been addressed long before it started since some seem to not be in the know.

I really couldnt say as to how MG cutscenes compare to the gameplay of a game (its been years since I played 2 and never got around to playing 3). I think it is far to say though that many real time cutscenes in games look superior to the gameplay (not in this case necessarily, as I have stated I believe that the game will look this good while playing).

[Domination]

I really couldnt say as to how MG cutscenes compare to the gameplay of a game (its been years since I played 2 and never got around to playing 3). I think it is far to say though that many real time cutscenes in games look superior to the gameplay (not in this case necessarily, as I have stated I believe that the game will look this good while playing).

Well, let's put it this way: Metal Gear is one of those games, and believe me, I'm not just saying that for my own amusement neither. But like I said earlier, that's beside the point since the footage we saw was said to be actual gameplay.

As far as Killzone, there are things that Killzone does better than Metal Gear and vice-versa. I've experienced this with the first two games. So, I'm not too surprised that Killzone has slightly better looking areas than Metal Gear or the other way around. It's all about art direction. http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/happy/smile.gif

[LiquidEagle]

I don't think any of this is gameplay. This is all part of a cinema, and *maybe* Kojima was controlling the guard at the beginning of the video. Both MGS2 & MGS3 had loads of gameplay in their initial trailers, but I don't see any that looks like it in this trailer. That's no reason to think it won't look as good in gameplay as it does in this trailer. Obviously that's not the discussion and nobody's disputing that. I will say though, that towards the beginning, when Snake is checking around the corner before he goes into the building, that actually does look like it could be gameplay. I also love how Snake repositions the butt of his gun to handle a left-hand corner. It's a small detail, but the fact that it's there just shows how much attention Kojima pays to detail, and this is most definitely what a next-generation game should be. It should not only look amazing, but have things going on that you don't notice, things you take for granted in the real world, and essentially have a purpose. Up until now things have happened automatically, on cues, and Kojima did what he could to change this in MGS3, but now things can be fully realized. Part of his philosophy with MGS3 was A + B = C -- the player experiments with this item on that guard and expect a result (the C). Kojima tried to come up with as many C's as possible (which was a HUGE amount), but now he wants to take it to the next level, and I wish other developers would take a hint from where he's going in this generation. Instead of normal-mapping the hell out of everything and making draw-distance a non-issue, they should be looking at how to make things more natural and put the power of the PS3 to work! What good is a fancy-looking brick wall if it still stands up to a rocket impact?

Back to the MG cutscenes, they're very much the same as the actual gameplay. I can't think of a single thing in all the cinemas that couldn't be done as you were playing the game.

[julps31]

Yeah I wouldn't worry about it. The in-game models and environments usally look exactly the same to me and if the cinematics do look better its not a big enough difference to even notice during gameplay. I'm sure they use the exact same models for gameplay as the do for the cinematics. Only difference is the motion capture.

EDIT: Oh yeah...about the first person mode in the trailer. Of course you won't play from that angle but i'm just saying that most likey thats using the actual in game engine. So you can use that to judge what the actual game will look like.

[curryking1]

any1 know when the direct feed trailer is gonna be available?

The direct feed trailer should be available sometime soon (hopefully at least before TGS is over) on the official Konami Japan site. Here is the link:

http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/japanese/mgs4_04.html

Go here if you want the shaky-cam trailer which is available in low and high quality for Windows Media Player and Quicktime.

http://www.1up.com/do/download?cId=3140656

And some recommended sites for information on MGS4:

www.1up.com, www.gamespot.com, www.ign.com (these ones seem to have well written articles compared to most other sites)

IGN.com has the most abundance of pictures for all the PS3 games (check out Vision Gran Turismo's screenshot, absolutely destroys anything PGR3 got on Gran Turismo, and I'm only being slightly biased for how much better it looks, that's how good amazing it is), 1up has the videos coming I believe the most frequently, and Gamespot is just my favourite games site lol

Well, what can I say about the trailer? I dunno because I haven't thought of words to express my happiness yet, unless you include a rant of me going omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg forever. This was almost like too much too fast maybe, but either way, phenomenal to an infinite exponent will express at least a part of my omgomgomgomg happiness.

P.S. I recommend downloading the Quicktime high quality one from 1up.com, I think it is better quality than the high quality WMV one, whatever I am saying now does not concern how the 1up videos compare to the one that will be posted on konami's MGS4 site, it has not been posted on their site as of my post.

[Coded-Dude]

you rock curryking1

[Fats]

Yeah, thanks curryking1!

Just sat and watched the whole 9 minutes there... I'm SO looking forward to this game now. Makes me feel all giddy inside!

[TEEDA]

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=9/25819421218.jpg&s=x1

look how his tongue is generated by the Ps3 , such little detail is even modelized .

[curryking1]

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=9/25819421218.jpg&s=x1

look how his tongue is generated by the Ps3 , such little detail is even modelized .

Wow TEEDA, that was an excellent shot you got there! Did you take it yourself? Very impressive find indeed!

No problem specialpro and Dude, I'm really glad I could help you guys out. Any time I post up here I'll try to be as positive of an effect as possible (of course within the rules of the site, probably won't see me much after TGS though or maybe even after this post lol b/c I better start crunching for school and stuff).

Did anyone else find that the beginning part with the first person (from the soldier's perspective) looked on par or even better than Ghost Recon for the 360? The character models were undoubtedly leagues better, but what really took me out was that the environments in the MGS4 trailer felt much more 'natural.' I guess Mr. Kojima and his team are doing wonders with the next MGS and matching his words with substance.

P.S. And by god if anyone can tell me how to make a normal smily face in text I would really appreciate it (similar to the one that is an icon you can represent your post with, and that blue winky one is cool too lol).

[LiquidEagle]

Did you write that trailer's file name yourself, TEEDA? :-D

Yeah I noticed the tongue in the trailers. Too cool! It's just a tongue, yet it impresses the hell outta me!

[Domination]

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=9/25819421218.jpg&s=x1

look how his tongue is generated by the Ps3 , such little detail is even modelized .

It's strange you mentioned that because in the interview (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/vids_1.html) Kojima talks about how he, unlike other developers, isn't looking to really use the PS3's overall raw pushing power to focus on eyecandy (or in his words, "things you can see"), but rather focus the PS3's power on making a world that acts alive. IMO, that makes a better gameplay experience, which I prefer more than the other. However, if that's true with this much already accomplished, then I can only imagine what would happen for those developers looking for the opposite?

[TEEDA]

wow we get really really close to Final fantasy the spirits within quality render .
we ll get games with this quality in the years to come or the months maybe why not lol .
http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2001_Final_Fantasy:_The_Spirits_Within/final_fantasy_the_spirits_within_008.jpg
http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2001_Final_Fantasy:_The_Spirits_Within/donald_sutherland_final_fantasy_the_spirits_within _001.jpg

:aim=-o:

[LiquidEagle]

Haha you make a good point. At the same time, Kojima said that if they can't do this without keeping the graphics up to par, they'd abandon the idea and keep it looking good (which they thankfully didn't have to do!). I always keep in mind that Kojima has many many skilled artists working with him. They do more with less like no other developer can. When Silicon Knights made The Twin Snakes, Kojima shared a lot of tips with them on how to model humans, and the characters in TTS used less polys and looked better than the characters in Eternal Darkness. Solid Snake's model in MGS2 uses 2,000 polys as opposed to Samonosuke's 10,000 or so polygons, but you really wouldn't know it. I think Snake Eater is a complete testament to how skilled they are with the things they pull off. This may sound stupid, but the way the plastic bag around Snake's head looks when he's in captivity gets me every time. The way it's reflective and it expands and contracts realistically as if Snake was actually breathing under it, I just love that kind of detail. I have no doubt it'll be at least 10 fold moreso in MGS4.

Anybody notice the decal on the tank that says "MGS 04"? tee hee! The little writings on MGM2 are cool too.

Also, when you read the description of Snake as MGM2 scans him, it says that he's still with Philanthropy. I guess this isn't really a surprise, but it's worth noting. If anybody can read that whole thing, please post it, 'cause the version I've looked at is just too hard to read the whole description.

[Pro A.]

Saw the trailer just a little while ago. This is gonna be a great game. Kojima could very well make the greatest shooting game of all-time with this singular title. If the story holds, he has hit the jackpot.

[Nerve-Damage]

Credit goes too: ONE (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23601)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A report of "MGS4 on PS3" event @ TGS 2005

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs4.htm

Preliminary to the MGS4 trailer, the E3 trailer and its sequel new PS2-generated joke trailer "METAL GEAR RAIDEN SNAKE ERASER" were shown. Then Kutaragi's video message came ("MGS team is beyond my expectation I want to play MGS4 now blah blah"), and the MGS4 trailer was on screen.

BUT, the awesome thing is, after the trailer shown, they picked a scene in the trailer and actually manipulated (zoom-in, zoom-out, changing viewpoints, adding effects etc.) Snake in realtime on a PS3 devkit, on the stage...

self shadow
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs408.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs409.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs410.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs411.htm

depth of field
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs412.htm

lighting and fog
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs413.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs415.htm

(engineers controlling it)
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs414.htm

Then Otacon scene was explained. Otacon is also in realtime, not movie.
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050916/mgs413.jpg

Edit: Links work now! :spiny:

[ACE0000]

that was actually posted about 2 pages back in this thread allready by saibo

[Nerve-Damage]

that was actually posted about 2 pages back in this thread allready by saibo

:shifty:

How did I miss that?

OOOoooooo well :aim:-p:

[ACE0000]

It's ok you were probably just excited, since it's proof that it was real time and still that amazing looking.

[Nerve-Damage]

you were probably just excited,

:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[Saibo]

the stupidity of some xbox fanboys,regarding MGS4 trailer:

"sony probably asked them to render it out at 60fps@1080p just like Heavenly Sword."

-scooby_dooby-

I dont know where to start with that kinda of ignorant statement..its beyond me... Especailly since Kojima team demo it off, tweaking the engine in realtime, flare,dof,fog,etc.

anyway, thanks curry, the 1up quicktime one was much better quality..i didnt even notice snake in the beginning with the low quality ones, until i saw the new one :D. make you think, maybe snake can do invisible in this game also?

[Nerve-Damage]

HOLLY SH**!! :praise:

I just saw the HD-trailer of MGS:4 on G4TTV "Attack of The Show" a few minutes ago. The low-end trailers running around the net don't do the demo/game justice!

[dantruon]

i hate the word "coming soon"

[Nerve-Damage]

MGS:4 is being shown again at 4am EST on G4TTV "Attack of The Show" . :rockon: :rockon:

[Danji]

Then that means I just re-woke up in time for Awesome happy get!

[Maya 5.0]

I'm watching the show right now but as of yet they have just showed a clip of it only.Do they show the whole thing or just when they report from TGS?

[ZipIt]

Nice trailer when it has more development time for improvements. I'm impressed with the presentation of this trailer. Can't wait for the Hi-res ones.:crazy2:

I hate it when the website says "coming soon". I thought it was supposed to be posted after the first day of TGS?

[chrismt]

argh where's the video on 1up? saw the shaky cam video though and this game looks insanely awesome. looking forward to this one more than any other ps3 game. i just hope they don't come up with cheesy villians like mgs3. was a fan of the enemies in the first two though.

[Danji]

The clip they show is cut short (extremely) and sucks in my oppinion. I liked the meca one much more due to the fact it has all of the jokes and awesome parts in it (except for it supposedly cuts short).

[chrismt]

Yeah I think there was supposed to be more in that they didn't show the developers messing with the game to show it's in realtime, and the part where snake questions whether the cell processor will win the console war also wasn't shown.

[LiquidEagle]

1UP's Quicktime video had it all, but for some reason I can't find that page anymore with the downloads! When I go to the downloads page from my history, it says 0 downloads...

Right now I'm downloading a torrent file for that episode of Attack of the Show (9/16, I'm guessing). Hopefully that has it! Also, the TGS report is up at Kojima Productions' Japanese site, but not the English site. When I manually typed in the URL, I got to the TGS report site, but it was a lousy template! It just had the whole alphabet over a couple times! What a jip!

[Garfunkel]

hahaha reading some xbot quotes is so hilarious
"it's not real"

JUST HACK IT YOU LOOSERS

i have only ever played a demo of mgs 2 but i am looking very farward to this
(the facial detail is a tad scary at times)

[thedynamite007]

I think since it is next gen and with the power of PS3 there is an option to shave his mustache since he will also be equipt with shaver and shaving cream as his utility tools. And if you dont shave it, depending on how long who play the game his mustache will grow more longer. So we must finish the game faster hehehehe!!!

[julps31]

Did anyone else find that the beginning part with the first person (from the soldier's perspective) looked on par or even better than Ghost Recon for the 360? The character models were undoubtedly leagues better, but what really took me out was that the environments in the MGS4 trailer felt much more 'natural.' I guess Mr. Kojima and his team are doing wonders with the next MGS and matching his words with substance.*slaps CurryKing1*... Come on now lol. That goes with out saying. The MGS4 graphics engine is about ten times better than the Ghost Recon graphics engine, so to even compare it is like diluting MGS4s graphics (no offense to Ghost Recon Lol). Obviously if the characters are more detailed and the graphics engine allows for incredible detail its gonna blow it away. So maybe what you shoulda said is MGS4 demo is better then...any other game i've seen (realtime at least). Just my little rant for MGS4 lol.

[curryking1]

Lol julps31, that is probably what I should have said. The thing that I was trying to point out though was that the First Person stuff in MGS4 (which we all know is being tailored to be third person) looked easily better than anything we've seen for Ghost Recon for 360. But yea, MGS4 definitely looks better than any game I've ever seen as well.

I did think it was a little bit odd that some textures were kind of low res, just b/c everything looked so good, but really Ghost Recon ain't got nothing on MGS4's environments for how realistic they look. Gears of War is probably a better match up against MGS4's environments (GoW environments look very lush and vibrant, even though there are also a few low res textures in GoW still... and I was wondering why there are still those flat textures that are supposed to represent debris, they look out of place). Particle effects though, MGS4 definitely will probably end up being realistic and believable, especially with those big dirt and dust clouds appearing after the mini-metal gears steps... I despise those red explosion effects in GoW b/c they also look very out of place in such a beautiful game, and if anyone saw that gameplay video with the 'flowing' oil from 1up.com, that flow was more like something I would see from Spyro the Dragon on PS1, I hope they fix the explosions and this oil thing in GoW, muzzle effects and those bullets flying around in GoW look really awesome though).

MGS4 however, the environments I felt looked more realistic than the GoW ones. And by realistic I mean like looks more movie-like than game-like.

P.S. If anyone comes across gameplay footage of the faces in Ghost Recon for 360, they'll look like Solid's face in MGS1 compared to MGS4's faces from this movie. The soldiers face (like eyes and mask), and Snake as a whole, in the MGS4 trailer looks almost CGish, and by 'looking almost CGish' I mean looking better than anything else for real time stuff (I'm talking about the guy that gets his ass whooped by Snake at the beginning of the trailer). GoW faces to MGS4 faces? Pictures make it seem like they are close, but motion tells the real story I would say (MGS4 takes the face war).

P.P.S. If you have the Quicktime format of the high quality trailer, I would recommend pausing the video when Snake has the soldier on the ground so you can see how detailed even the soldier was made. You'll notice that the quality of the soldier's helmet, mask, eyes, etc. are quite comparable with Solid's face (but it is almost for sure less complicated, being w/o hair, moustache lol, and other more intricate facial features) but even so makes it seem like the soldier is as 'detailed' as our main character Mr. Snake (when I say as 'detailed' though, I mean it's not as much like past games where the main character looks easily noticeably more detailed than any enemies, NPCs, etc.)

Ok this will be my last post of the year, I can't have forums distracting me from school work lol, I'll come and view stuff tho but I'll be posting again come Summer 2006 lol!

[warmachine]

I don't know if it has already been posted, but I don't think so:

Some direct feed scenes (http://files.lachy.org/mgs4_directfeed.wmv)

You just have to love this game! The visuals are just too good to be true! ;)

[julps31]

I don't know if it has already been posted, but I don't think so:

Some direct feed scenes (http://files.lachy.org/mgs4_directfeed.wmv)

You just have to love this game! The visuals are just too good to be true! ;)Good stuff warmachine. I knew somebody said it was on G4 but I don't have G4 anymore. Thanks for the trailer man. Plus know that I can see his face I can tell its really snake.

[woundingchaney]

Lol julps31, that is probably what I should have said. The thing that I was trying to point out though was that the First Person stuff in MGS4 (which we all know is being tailored to be third person) looked easily better than anything we've seen for Ghost Recon for 360. But yea, MGS4 definitely looks better than any game I've ever seen as well.

I did think it was a little bit odd that some textures were kind of low res, just b/c everything looked so good, but really Ghost Recon ain't got nothing on MGS4's environments for how realistic they look. Gears of War is probably a better match up against MGS4's environments (GoW environments look very lush and vibrant, even though there are also a few low res textures in GoW still... and I was wondering why there are still those flat textures that are supposed to represent debris, they look out of place). Particle effects though, MGS4 definitely will probably end up being realistic and believable, especially with those big dirt and dust clouds appearing after the mini-metal gears steps... I despise those red explosion effects in GoW b/c they also look very out of place in such a beautiful game, and if anyone saw that gameplay video with the 'flowing' oil from 1up.com, that flow was more like something I would see from Spyro the Dragon on PS1, I hope they fix the explosions and this oil thing in GoW, muzzle effects and those bullets flying around in GoW look really awesome though).

MGS4 however, the environments I felt looked more realistic than the GoW ones. And by realistic I mean like looks more movie-like than game-like.

P.S. If anyone comes across gameplay footage of the faces in Ghost Recon for 360, they'll look like Solid's face in MGS1 compared to MGS4's faces from this movie. The soldiers face (like eyes and mask), and Snake as a whole, in the MGS4 trailer looks almost CGish, and by 'looking almost CGish' I mean looking better than anything else for real time stuff (I'm talking about the guy that gets his ass whooped by Snake at the beginning of the trailer). GoW faces to MGS4 faces? Pictures make it seem like they are close, but motion tells the real story I would say (MGS4 takes the face war).

P.P.S. If you have the Quicktime format of the high quality trailer, I would recommend pausing the video when Snake has the soldier on the ground so you can see how detailed even the soldier was made. You'll notice that the quality of the soldier's helmet, mask, eyes, etc. are quite comparable with Solid's face (but it is almost for sure less complicated, being w/o hair, moustache lol, and other more intricate facial features) but even so makes it seem like the soldier is as 'detailed' as our main character Mr. Snake (when I say as 'detailed' though, I mean it's not as much like past games where the main character looks easily noticeably more detailed than any enemies, NPCs, etc.)

Ok this will be my last post of the year, I can't have forums distracting me from school work lol, I'll come and view stuff tho but I'll be posting again come Summer 2006 lol!


Well time for a GoW vs MGS4 debate.

(trying to stay non-biased here) (would like to state that we are comparing cutscene to in-game footage, whether or not there is a difference is beyond my knowledge [I dont expect there to be] so use your own judgement on the matter, but for the love of god please dont flame me :yum: )


MGS4:
advantage in facial features and definete advantage in facial movement
advantage in overall movement of characters
love the hair

GoW:
wonderful detail in background and environments
superior lighting (of course the trailer of MGS4 doesnt give one a good idea of lighting engine)
wonderful detail in enemies and body armor (yes I prefer it over Snake's suit however not by much)


Equal/Too soon to tell:
Sound
Particle effects
interactive environments/objects in environment
character control/over-all gameplay
storyline
physics
etc


I couldnt personally say which one is more impressive. I am able to say that I was very impressed with the trailer overall, yet I am still very impressed when I see GoW media. Is MGS4 the best looking game so far, well I dont know there are aspects of the game I wasnt impressed by along with things that shocked me. Is it superior to GoW, yes in many ways, yet in some it is found lacking. I think as of right now its a matter of opinion, but being a MS fan I cant say that one out weighs the other (take that for what it is worth). :bigpimp:

[Black Dragon37]

I don't know if this is known but check this out from the trailer, when the robot comes in...

Snake: "Is that remote control?!"

Otacon: "Yup. And this mechanism is equipped with a Cell Processor."

It's not about the games. It's about the marketing. lol

[Ice Phoenix]

1up.com has posted a video of Kojima san actually manipulating the trailer to prove its real time, check it out.

http://www.1up.com/do/download?cId=3140656

The lighting and shadowing is great

[Saibo]

cant we not debate in this thread please? lets keep it MGS4 centric(without the debate).

[GUNDAMSEED]

Plus we have not even seen a full high res trailer for it . Man it unfair to compare MGS4 to GOW when gears of war has a HD trailer out . even the G4 tv spot i saw lost some detail . maybe after we a hd for MGS4 we can which one has the better whatever . until then the debate should wait . Damn where is HD mgs4 trailer .

[NeoPlayStation]

MGS4 low quality cam video is much better than Gears of War HD (720p) video.

[Darkon]

Better quality mgs 4 trailer (http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=35UWQDIT7MD950TM5F0CYRL7Y2)

[LiquidEagle]

Thank you! I've been trying to download that video for so long, but their servers were always down!

[Goki]

Thaaaank u Darkon, im downloading now, is this direct feed btw??

[NeoPlayStation]

Thaaaank u Darkon, im downloading now, is this direct feed btw??

No. The best is de Ruliweb video (126Mb).

Edit: This is the Ruliweb video hehhe

[LiquidEagle]

I think since it is next gen and with the power of PS3 there is an option to shave his mustache since he will also be equipt with shaver and shaving cream as his utility tools. And if you dont shave it, depending on how long who play the game his mustache will grow more longer. So we must finish the game faster hehehehe!!!


Honestly, that wouldn't surprise me. Remember the razor in MGS2? I laughed so hard when Raiden gets this cool stuff from Pliskin and then he just goes, "uh....here." and hands him a razor without saying anything else. Hi-larious.

[Domination]

Well time for a GoW vs MGS4 debate.

(trying to stay non-biased here) (would like to state that we are comparing cutscene to in-game footage, whether or not there is a difference is beyond my knowledge [I dont expect there to be] so use your own judgement on the matter, but for the love of god please dont flame me :yum: )


MGS4:
advantage in facial features and definete advantage in facial movement
advantage in overall movement of characters
love the hair

GoW:
wonderful detail in background and environments
superior lighting (of course the trailer of MGS4 doesnt give one a good idea of lighting engine)
wonderful detail in enemies and body armor (yes I prefer it over Snake's suit however not by much)


Equal/Too soon to tell:
Sound
Particle effects
interactive environments/objects in environment
character control/over-all gameplay
storyline
physics
etc


I couldnt personally say which one is more impressive. I am able to say that I was very impressed with the trailer overall, yet I am still very impressed when I see GoW media. Is MGS4 the best looking game so far, well I dont know there are aspects of the game I wasnt impressed by along with things that shocked me. Is it superior to GoW, yes in many ways, yet in some it is found lacking. I think as of right now its a matter of opinion, but being a MS fan I cant say that one out weighs the other (take that for what it is worth). :bigpimp:

I think this could really go well in the PS3 vs 360 thread. But for my input, even though I somewhat agree, MG4 will be ready either on PS3's launch, which is 6 months from now, or it'll be ready much later compared to a Gears of War title readying its launch this Nov. or Dec.. In total, MG4 probably has six months developement time compared to an almost finished Gears of War.

[woundingchaney]

I think this could really go well in the PS3 vs 360 thread. But for my input, even though I somewhat agree, MG4 will be ready either on PS3's launch, which is 6 months from now, or it'll be ready much later compared to a Gears of War title readying its launch this Nov. or Dec.. In total, MG4 probably has six months developement time compared to an almost finished Gears of War.


Yes, I agree with that.

[GUNDAMSEED]

Man i don't think were going to see MGS4 until 2007 but u never know . He might try to get it out 2006 arounds xmas . But still i think mid 2007 if not later .

[LiquidEagle]

Maybe this is old news, but I just noticed in the ruliweb version that Snake has the "mark" on his uniform. Look at the pop-up window here to see what I'm talking about if you don't already know.

http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/english/mgs4_01.html

For a release date, I'm expecting fall 2007. MGS1: 1998, MGS2: 2001, MGS3: 2004, MGS4: 2007. I'd be very surprised if it was any sooner.

[GTShotoKen]

I never heard Gears of War was almost finished, also every other report and developer comment says that Gears of War won't come out until early-mid 2006.

I don't think we will see Metal Gear until winter of 2007 (if Hedio Kojima knows how to use magic), but more likely fall of 2008 (heck, maybe even later).

[TEEDA]

MGS 4 tech demo real time (http://zdmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o1/1UP/mgs4_kojima_realtime_demo_quick.zip)

here is the tech demo of the game , not the trailer .

[Goki]

At the end of the MGS4 trailer, Otacon says, "So snake what do u think of the new setting*/mission,/something. Then he says "Itll sure be worth the WAIT"

Im thinking this is Kojima saying, dont expect untill late 06 early 07 !!

[Goki]

Hey Guys, someone wanna go deep into what Kojima meant by "unseen" Like im thinking theres some heavy calculations goin on the processcor, apart from drawing graphics, like Are the development team really gonna make charchters with muscle tissue and all kinda stuff like FFTSW. Also in what other way could u make use of the cell processor apart from eye candy.?? Do u think that no single soldier in the game will be generated, but actually the whole game has a cast of soldiers, each on differing in some way.

Also one thing id hope is if the soldiers got rid of the mask. Id like to see some faces now that next gen allows it. Sure its a lot of work drawing individual faces, but im sure itd be worth the wait

[Hrama]

Sounds like some pretty lofty goals there, but with Kojima behind the wheel, I wouldn't put hardly anything past him.

[TEEDA]

http://www.hightymes.org/IGN/video/MGS_4.wmv]Better MGS 4 GOTP close to direct feed (http://)
taken from a tv channel

[solidsnakejej]

the trailer is up on the Konami site
http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/english/mgs4_04.html

[Illmatic]

Argh, i don't have the right codec.:susp:

EDIT:

Fixed it, i was streaming through RealPlayer, it works fine with WMP, it's still not high res though O_o

[Domination]

1UP seems to have the better quality version so far.

[Illmatic]

Yeah it does. But 1up cut out the killzone bit and the "key to winning the next gen console war" part.

But yeah, 1up has the better quality one at the moment.

[dantruon]

the trailer is up on the Konami site
http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/english/mgs4_04.html
it still say coming soon

[solidsnakejej]

It on there here is the direct link
http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/movie/tgs2005_mgs4.asx

[NeoPlayStation]

The same video from Konami (download version):
http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2W9O7B50R99WM2DML8UM4PCEVI

[Rukawa]

Is there any scene of Snake asking Otacon about Cell in that video? How the image quality.

[NeoPlayStation]

Is there any scene of Snake asking Otacon about Cell in that video?
Yes. it's very funny

How the image quality.

Low res: 388x218 pixels. All subtitles visible. It´s must see, no doubt.

[Ice Phoenix]

Its up Its up Its up!!!!!!! the direct feed at the official site is up!!!

http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/english/mgs4_04.html

[Jasonps3]

Solidsnakejej beat you to it.

[Ice Phoenix]

Doh! anyway, OMG, there were so many things I never even saw in the other trailers, sooooo awesome

[Illmatic]

The most impressive thing i noticed from watching the low res direct feed was the sound effects, man the sound is awesome.

I hope we don't have to wait long for the Hi-Res or HD quality direct feeds, it feels like i've been waiting forever already.

[RzrWire]

Article from Game Geek News: http://www.gamegeeknews.com/?p=219
Video Proof from 1up: http://www.1up.com/do/download?cId=3140656

Original Article:
Today Mr. Kojima (and a sidekick) held a special presentation at the Tokyo Game Show in order to prove to everyone just how powerful the PS3 actually is.

They replayed the MGS4 trailer shown earlier at TGS, only this time they paused it part way through and began panning with camera and zooming in on Snake’s face. At the same time the levels of lighting and other visual properties were changed in real-time proving once and for all that the MGS4 trailer was not pre-rendered bukkake.

A video of Ken Kutaragi even popped up during the presentation that showed him personally thanking Kojima for doing such a great job of showcasing the PS3’s abilities.

It’s also worth mentioning that they PS3 unit this one running off of was a little bit bigger than your average PC. That’s usually around the normal early size of console dev kits.

The more I see stuff like this the less impressive Microsoft's XBox 360 & Games look. Sony is giving us an amazing console and I can't wait!

[RzrWire]

Download the HD Version of the MGS4 Trailer. A Ruliweb exclusive!!! Follow the link below and enjoy.......

http://ruliweb.dreamwiz.com/data/rulinews/read.htm?page=1&num=13890&find=subject&ftext=[tgs

[Saibo]

Download the HD Version of the MGS4 Trailer. A Ruliweb exclusive!!! Follow the link below and enjoy.......

http://ruliweb.dreamwiz.com/data/rulinews/read.htm?page=1&num=13890&find=subject&ftext=[tgs


current cant download from either link, question is it direct feed(non of that cam stuff)?

edit: nevermind.

[Domination]

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6175/mgs31hh.jpg
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/3131/mgs118tt.jpg

More stills...

[Illmatic]

Cheers Jag, that's definately the best quality footage so far, so many details you don't notice on the low res footage.

[Yoshigizmo]

Gametrailers has a direct feed trailer of MGS4, if anyone is interested.

[dantruon]

This HD (im assuming is 720p) sample of MGS4 should shut all the non-believer up.
http://files.lachy.org/ruliweb_mgs4_hd_sampl.mpg
Bitrate ~= 8000Kbytes per second.

Thanks to Gholbine at beyond3d.

[Chris Metal]

This HD (im assuming is 720p) sample of MGS4 should shut all the non-believer up.
http://files.lachy.org/ruliweb_mgs4_hd_sampl.mpg
Bitrate ~= 8000Kbytes per second.

Thanks to Gholbine at beyond3d.

Damn my PC I'm having to use cause my other one's broken won't run that, it'll be too choppy, unplayable, like all the other HD footage. :( low Rez for me...

[RzrWire]

This HD (im assuming is 720p) sample of MGS4 should shut all the non-believer up.
http://files.lachy.org/ruliweb_mgs4_hd_sampl.mpg
Bitrate ~= 8000Kbytes per second.

Thanks to Gholbine at beyond3d.

This is the same one I posted above only the one I posted is the full trailer in beautiful HD. Only problem is it's 126mb so those of you with slower conections are better off with the sample version.

[Chris Metal]

It's not my connection, I have 2MB, but it's the computer, if I run anything with a relatively high bitrate/resolution It goes all choppy and pauses all over the place... unwatchable. dunno why, but I would of thought a 1ghz P3 laptop would of been ok. *shrugs*

[RzrWire]

It's not my connection, I have 2MB, but it's the computer, if I run anything with a relatively high bitrate/resolution It goes all choppy and pauses all over the place... unwatchable. dunno why, but I would of thought a 1ghz P3 laptop would of been ok. *shrugs*

1ghz isn't going to do it. I've got an outdated 900mhz comp. that sucks ass at playing any high quality vids. I have to use one of my friends comps. or burn them on a cd and watch them on my work comp. New PC is next on my to-do list. For HD vids I think they recommend a P2.4ghz or higher.

[dantruon]

This is the same one I posted above only the one I posted is the full trailer in beautiful HD. Only problem is it's 126mb so those of you with slower conections are better off with the sample version.

Yes is from the some source but totally diffrent quality. Just download and watch it man.

To give you an idea what the image quality is, the video is around 5 seconds long but it take up 13 Megabyte, now that is what i called HD quality. So the 126 MB posted by you is not the same quality as this one.

[RzrWire]

If that's the case dantruon then why are they holding the rest of the footage hostage!? 5 seconds in Super HD isn't going to cut it for me:nono:

[SS]

That video was awsome! All the other videos dont come near the quality of the 5 second one. Its 1440 x 1088 resolution, the next highest quality is 720 x 480. If anyone has the full version of that video you must put it up! (please)

[The_One]

Once again... Kojima has said that MGS4 will be the last MGS he's going to direct. Considering how MGS4 is like the TRUE sequel to MGS2 (Guns of the "Patriots", hint hint, wink wink), and the fact that snake is pretty old, I'm thinking that MGS4 will actually be the last "sequel" MGS in the series.

[Illmatic]

I think it's good he's moving on, you don't want to be stuck working with the same series year after year. Kojima and Yoji have some amazing talent and i think they'll keep pumping out classics. I just hope their next project is on PS3. Who knows, maybe Kojima will come back to the MGS series later on down the track.

[julps31]

I just watched the direct feed on the official Konami site. I love the Cell jokes at the end. Thats Kojima humor right there lol. The audio is great. It makes me more excited for the game. Can't wait for the hi-res feed.

[Red_Eyes]

Anybody saw the TGS trailer for MGS3 Subsistence at IGN? The trailer for Subsistence starts out exactly the the trailer for MGS4, with a soldier walking around in first person mode, then instead of Snake coming in and beating up the soldier, it's that scientist from MGS3. Very cool. Go check it out.

[LiquidEagle]

As an aspiring game designer, it would be a complete dream of mine to be the one who helps make MGS5 a reality. Of course, it's probably just a dream, but I can honestly say that's been an aspiration of mine for years :-D.

That HD video is awesome, even if it kinda hiccups (at least on my screen it does, and I have a 3.0 Ghz with 1 GB of RAM and a Radeon 9550SE). This must be like straight from the presentation video or something (or maybe a DVD like they did with the MGS2 trailer), and hopefully it surfaces soon. Now that we're entering a high-definition generation, there's no reason for us to have these tiny, pitiful screenshots that look like crap -- if these games are really going to be running at 1920 x 1440 or whatever, I want screenshots to match! Same goes for videos. If the actual game is gonna run at a high resolution, why not let the trailers be in high res too!?

Anyhoo, I'm pretty glad Kojima's moving on. He's been wanting to do new stuff for years, and I think if fan demand and other pressures kept him on Metal Gear for too long, he'd get *really* sick of it, and might even hate it in a way. That would obviously affect his work negatively, and he wouldn't be reaching his potential as somebody who always puts his all into his games. The new things Kojima has worked on/supervised, like Zone of the Enders (which we already discussed) and Boktai, are extremely original, innovative, and entertaining too. The man has a great mind, and he can really cover a broad array of genres & styles, I really wanna see that explored.

[Danji]

I helped my friend get a Pentium D DDR2 Beast of a machine, now it's time for payback. *burns video to a disc to later see on his computer*

[warmachine]

harlekin from www.consol.at forums recorded the MGS4 videostream.

Downloadable here! (http://rapidshare.de/files/5258716/tgs2005_mgs4.asf.html)

Killzone footage und Cell jokes included! ;)
Have Fun!

[KiLLA2006]

Once again... Kojima has said that MGS4 will be the last MGS he's going to direct. Considering how MGS4 is like the TRUE sequel to MGS2 (Guns of the "Patriots", hint hint, wink wink), and the fact that snake is pretty old, I'm thinking that MGS4 will actually be the last "sequel" MGS in the series.

I highly doubt that it will be the last one.. i think either they'll clone snake, like big boss... or raiden will take the role as main character but kojima will not be directing...

[Maya 5.0]

Yes Konami makes too much off of MGS to just drop it like that.A new director will step up and continue.

[Coded-Dude]

I think they will continue the name and concept(business decision), but many of the characters and much of the story will change with the director......

[GTShotoKen]

harlekin from www.consol.at forums recorded the MGS4 videostream.

Downloadable here! (http://rapidshare.de/files/5258716/tgs2005_mgs4.asf.html)

Killzone footage und Cell jokes included! ;)
Have Fun!

How do you download it. I only see an upload option.

I looked at the bottom of the screen and it says I have choosen to download the file, but it says I have chosen to download 28331 KB in one hour and it won't let me download anything.

[Coded-Dude]

THE OFFICIAL TRAILER FROM KONAMI (http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/japanese/mgs4_04.html)
^Download it from here..... ;)

[The Dude]

ahhhh Metal Gear one of the few reasons I want a PS3

[Carn]

How do you download it. I only see an upload option.

I looked at the bottom of the screen and it says I have choosen to download the file, but it says I have chosen to download 28331 KB in one hour and it won't let me download anything.


Select "Free", scroll to the bottom of the new screen. A timer is running (30 seconds I believe), and you can download the file after its done ticking...but the message you got means that you might have already opened that second screen, making the system think that you already downloaded it..so if you wait it will be available again (I think..)

[.®]

has anyone else noticed that xbox fanboys are trying really really hard to compare Gears of War to Metal Gear Solid 4. Why is that? Is GoW the best that the xbox 360 has to offer at this moment i really hope not.

[Maya 5.0]

For some reason i cannot play that .asx file and i have used VLC,Real,WMP Classic.It starts for a couple seconds and then freezes.

[rpgamer_2k5]

has anyone else noticed that xbox fanboys are trying really really hard to compare Gears of War to Metal Gear Solid 4. Why is that? Is GoW the best that the xbox 360 has to offer at this moment i really hope not.
GoW is far from the best title the 360 got. I believe the two promising titles are Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey. :) [eM] also seems like a title worth looking at as well.

Sony better get a lot more RPG titles on their back. Final Fantasy, Endless Saga, and Shin Megami Tensei RPG is not enough. =^D

[MediaStream]

has anyone else noticed that xbox fanboys are trying really really hard to compare Gears of War to Metal Gear Solid 4. Why is that? Is GoW the best that the xbox 360 has to offer at this moment i really hope not.

It's called 'teh shine' effect.

All the xbox/peecee gamer/programmers I know live for 'teh shine.' It is The Holy Grail of graphics to them. It's why a very average graphics engine like the one in Halo or Halo 2 is held up as being something special. It's got a shiny character.

[warmachine]

@Gaming Guru: With Internet Explorer I got the same problem like you. Then I tried Mozilla Firefox and it worked. So give Firefox a try.

[.®]

people still use internet explorer?? wow.

[The_One]

people still use internet explorer?? wow. IE is the fastest thing since Donovan Bailey...

FF might be good, but IE still opens up faster! Take that Mozilla! On top of that, some sites gets all skewered on FF.

Maxthon is the way to go ;).

[Coded-Dude]

some sites gets all skewered on FF.
you can contribute taht to MicroSofts unwillingness to be standard.
Most cases are webpages written in Frontpage or only tested on IE.
Which, honestly, I think is horrible programming practice....just plain lazy!

[Danji]

ditto

[The_One]

How do you expect Microsoft to hold onto its monopoly if it submits to standard :laugh:.

[Coded-Dude]

Honestly.....I don't expect ANYTHING from Microsoft.

[woundingchaney]

has anyone else noticed that xbox fanboys are trying really really hard to compare Gears of War to Metal Gear Solid 4. Why is that? Is GoW the best that the xbox 360 has to offer at this moment i really hope not.


Well essentially the comparison is the best looking games on both platforms. Really Im more impressed so far with Kameo than GoW, but GoW does have the shock factor (much like MGS4 does with the PS3).

[Jasonps3]

Metal Gear Solid 4 Trailer on G4

10 P.M. Eastern, 7 P.M. Pacific

September 21st on Cinematech

Hope someone can Tivo it.

[Illmatic]

Wow, i just checked out this 3min HD footage.

http://222.122.42.71/tgs/hdv/ruliweb_hdv_mgs4_shot.wmv


His hair even blows in the wind (most noticeable at 1m57s), and you can even see the pixels they simulate on the LCD display of the robot, damn!!

[L3XO]

gameplay looks awsome, but the grahics dont really differ much from todays to graphic games on PC. i hope they bump up the texture quality, cause its a bit low, and perhaps use more pixel shaders.

[dantruon]

i think this trailer just outdid anything on the pc at the moment, and yes i agreed the texture need to improve on some of the background but as always when we play metal gear only snake character is what matter, that snake model is the best i've ever seen .

[julps31]

gameplay looks awsome, but the grahics dont really differ much from todays to graphic games on PC. i hope they bump up the texture quality, cause its a bit low, and perhaps use more pixel shaders.Huh..people never can be satisfied. Show me one game that looks as good as MGS4. Most of the footage looks CG. Even with the texture quality. Look at the first person footage. How many war FPSs look that good? Maybe you expect too much but as far as I can tell it looks better than most if not all PC war games (RainBow Six, Battlefield, Quake 4, Doom ect.) Compare sceens.

[Nerve-Damage]

http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/4264/mgs4skin0im.jpg

Realtime folding skin anyone!?! :rockon:

Takes a lot of geometry to do that, also its rumored/fact that Snake mustache alone is made up of 60,000 polygons depending on the growth period. Article:Translation Coming Soon (http://www.jp.playstation.com/psworld/game/event/tgs2005/34.html)

[Nerve-Damage]

In SCE booth last day 繧ｵ繝励Λ繧､繧ｺ "PLAYSTATION 3" event! 繧ｳ繝翫Α Kojima Kazuo director ' METAL GEAR SOLID 4 (temporary) ' apparatus demonstration

"TGS2005" last day, from 16:00, SCE booth "PLAYSTATION 3" at theater "METAL GEAR SHOCK! The special stage event which is entitled METAL GEAR SOLID 4 ON "PLAYSTATION 3" "was held. As for at this event completely 繧ｵ繝励Λ繧､繧ｺ! Because opening notice projecting it just started shortly with the monitor inside the theater, they were the circumstances where also the attendance person is surprised to abrupt event start.

Stage started from the interview image whose Kazuo Kojima of 繧ｳ繝翫Α game software company Kojima production supervision is short, to that "PLAYSTATION 3" was let flow at the theater ' METAL GEAR SOLID 4 (temporary) ' (below ' MGS4 ') you start from image screening of long shaku. When screening does one conclusion, in the small stage which is installed in the monitor left hand, Kojima director of the SCE Hosoya Megumi person and the guest who serve chairmanship appeared.

In audience inside theater "today -! "With as for the Kojima director which used voice smilingly, in the audience who has been made 繝昴き繝ｳ" how the combining which is the red sandal wood? While this "the metal gear shock" the combining which is (laughing)"with throwing joke, ' MGS4 ' the presentation was begun.

Latest ' MGS4 ' image being something which is for the first time released in the world, did MGS ' image announcement "until now ' directly with E3, but ' 4 ' with TGS first release of desire was achieved at last. The Japanese beginning and it is the world first ", that Kojima director. ' MGS4 ' with in regard to becoming largest attention title "TGS2005" being relieved "with favor, it increases. Because so is true fight from this, tightening the body, we would like to persevere, don't you think? is ", that to comment, to introduction of concrete game contents.

According to Kojima director, as for the latest concept "NO PLACE TO HIDE".
However "it is the game which hides, there is no about to hide. You deny by your by your, it is. This time the battlefield is the stage. So far the artificial building and it was Alaska, and ' 3 ' with the jungle. So the latest stage is not, concreteness "the place" calls the battlefield "" "environment" is. As for the battlefield, is always environment fluxional with the war situation. Environment changes always. The sense in such sense, (it was locked) there is no place where it hides, in ", (Kojima director)

Of course, this concept is something which was warmed from the time before, but you say that with "PLAYSTATION 3" finally it became actualization possible.

The enemy troop, including the building, there are various ones "in the battlefield. With "PLAYSTATION 3" it can express that material and the like, at last. This time, it is such challenge. And ' 4 ' with, the professional thinking "the part which is not visible" it increases. When hard evolves, the part and the listening which are visible by any means it stresses to just the expression of the part which it exceeds, it is, but because that making the set of the movie cleanly, more largely, is just the 繧・ getting near, when you see, simply 繝上Μ繝懊ユ and it is simultaneous. So, with "PLAYSTATION 3" we would like to rise to higher seeing. Is not set and "it designates that the world" is made as goal ", (Kojima director)

From here, similarly from the Kojima production, high section Kunio of Kiyoshi Shinkawa of the art director and the lead/read programmer joining, "PLAYSTATION 3" while to do the demonstration play by the apparatus, to introduction. The snake is projected while in the picture where, making expand making the camera reduce, are drawn in that arm are not the dummy either pattern and to the letter which and clearly you can read entering in a state where (繧ｪ繧ｿ繧ｳ繝ｳ it made in the equipment which letter of "mania soul"!) Hair also the 縺ｳ coming being due to physical calculation, number of the enormous polygons (the enemy troop 1 body 縺ｶ of the approximately time before it is even in mustaches 1 of the snakes!) Among other things being used was explained.

Furthermore, it meaning that also expression of the shadow is real, the shadow individual of the character (the self shadow) real of the reflection and lighting also modification of thing and the depth of field where expression becomes possible being to be, free you say that furthermore it can actualize realistic movie camera work, due to the fact that among other things the focus adjusting is possible in all places of the modeling.

"Clean image can make with" PLAYSTATION 3 ", but those where simply, we would like to do truly are ahead from there. Keeping piling up the filter from here, it