Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[VG Aficionado]

Fear not, the PS3 version hasn't been cancelled (upper left corner) ;)

http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07233/mgs420thanniversary.png

The Raiden artwork in the background of the banner at the 20th anniversary site is new too.

[curryking1]

Damn straight it only says PS3! But of course they didn't announce anything different from before yet, or even announce anything much new yet.

Man, Snake looks so badass in that pic... he always looks badass lol.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

limited edition? It's mine.

[VG Aficionado]

limited edition? It's mine.That's if I don't get it before you do :norris:

[GTShotoKen]

So is the game running at 60fps now? The latest trailer had gameplay running at 30fps so I'm kind of confused.

[solidsnakejej]

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/976/mgs4comparaisonej1.jpg
Left : Old trailer Right new trailer .....

They ' ve taken off the PlayStation 3 logo....Lol

They didn't have it on the TGS trailer.

Edit:http://xs116.xs.to/xs116/07233/TGSmgs.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs116&d=07233&f=TGSmgs.JPG)

[curryking1]

So is the game running at 60fps now? The latest trailer had gameplay running at 30fps so I'm kind of confused.

The trailer running at 60 doesn't mean the game is, could've been sped up for the trailer. But it'd be nice of course lol.

[VG Aficionado]

There has never been any word on the framerate they're aiming to achieve. The trailers you'll find on the Internet are meaningless since the vast majority of times they're encoded at 30fps regardless of the source. Even the ones at the KojiPro site.

They didn't have it on the TGS trailer.True, and Kojima confirmed it's exclusive well after TGS 2006 :-p

[Segitz]

Hm... maybe the LE includes Snake branded cigs :D

I will buy it, for sure, if it isnt too bloody expensive (100€ max max... not one dime more)

[Sephiroth_VII]

200£ max for me, since it's the last MGS. I wonder if it'll be a japan- or US-only release? Europe rarely gets stuff like this.

[solidsnakejej]

Here is a picture of the TGS 06 trailer
http://xs116.xs.to/xs116/07233/TGSmgs.JPG.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs116&d=07233&f=TGSmgs.JPG)

[VG Aficionado]

I don't think that even a premium package with a lot of memorabilia would go above 150 €. We might get a limited edition in Europe, but I don't think there have ever been premium packages here. I'll import whatever they release though, it's MGS4.

[Red]

No more ps3 only?

http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07233/mgs4comparaisonej1.jpg

[VonGak]

Already posted in this very thread, RED.

[VG Aficionado]

Read the previous page of this thread, Red.

[Rockmond]

No more ps3 only?

http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07233/mgs4comparaisonej1.jpg

WOO-WOO!

ALL ABOARD THE FUD TRAIN!!!

:susp:

[frosty]

the subtitle in the first pic is priceless... the legend of a 360 mgs4 was meant to die.

[Coded-Dude]

"some bloodlines were never meant to be born"

[Epix]

I wouldn't look too deep into this. The video still says Due out in 2007, but I think they've already stated it's a 2008 title.

[GTAce]

"some bloodlines were never meant to be born"

:lol:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

people are reading into that?

Um, wow. Just wow.

[OmniCloud]

:laugh: Damn, if this many people really want to play MGS4, why don't they get a PS3?:huh:

If you want it to come to X360-you can't be all that broke assuming you or some1 you know paid for that system?

hahhhahahahahhaa, ridiculous stuff really...

[VG Aficionado]

No Metal Gear fan (and many other gamers for that matter) would wait a full year to play a port of MGS4 and with the risk of surfing the Internet to encounter massive spoilers all around anyway.

[Red_Eyes]

Old Trailer with new engine, animations and effects? (http://www.playfrance.com/news-ps3-tv-un-trailer-pour-mgs-4.html) (according to playfrance?)

This new remaster trailer with new animation, lighting system, and particle effects is just incredible.

[VideoGame mania]

When is the game coming out, in the remastered trailer 2007 ?
No Metal Gear fan (and many other gamers for that matter) would wait a full year to play a port of MGS4 and with the risk of surfing the Internet to encounter massive spoilers all around anyway.
Agree, I would go nuts watching others playing MGS4. I bought a PS3 earlier just to play MGS and GTAIV this year. Of course there are other games, but those two will change everything for me.

[LiquidEagle]

Not taking premium packs into account (there are plenty), there was a limited edition of MGS3 Snake Eater with a silver background cover instead of white background cover. I preordered it but it was too late :cry2:

We never got one here in the States :'(

If I see that image comparing the logo's presence one more time I'm going to spam every mod until they lock this thread. It doesn't mean shit, so just stop even giving it the time of day with a glance.

[Nameless]

Sounds like viral marketing at it's best...
If there's a big enough outcry the title will make it's way to the 360.
I think the title will eventually make it to the 360, but it will be 6 months to 1 year after the PS3 launch IMO. I don't really care if MGS4 is released on any other consoles I just want the PS3 to remain the target platform.

[LiquidEagle]

There's a difference between viral marketing and FUD though. Viral Marketing is a company generating buzz through weird websites and cryptic messages, and FUD is people taking things out of context or just plain making things up to try and substantiate lies. This has FUD written all over it, and even so there wouldn't be an announcement for MGS4 on 360 until after the PS3 version came out, and this would be terrible viral marketing by any standards.

[mario25]

:laugh: Damn, if this many people really want to play MGS4, why don't they get a PS3?:huh:

If you want it to come to X360-you can't be all that broke assuming you or some1 you know paid for that system?

hahhhahahahahhaa, ridiculous stuff really...

People don't want MGS4 to come to the 360 to play it, some want that to happen because it would mean big news and traffic, other just want to brag the 360 stole an exclusive............but I'm sure some few are really interested in actually playing the game. (but, no true MGS fan want to play a port)

[mario25]

So, what was the purpose of the "remastered" trailer??...it looks the same or worse than before..........

[Z]

people are reading into that?

Um, wow. Just wow.

you'd be surprised how many want to steal your prised pet for any reason. the funny thing is, I have never seen PS gamers obsessed to such a level for wanting a port of a non PS game to come to their system of choice. everybody just wants to snap MGS4 and FF13 so madly its insane. :matrix:

[LiquidEagle]

So, what was the purpose of the "remastered" trailer??...it looks the same or worse than before..........

Are you serious!? It looks much better (in parts)!!! In no way can I possibly imagine it looking worse. If the better framerate, sparks, smoke effects, and motion blur are bad looking in any way, please check yourself in to the nearest loony bin :-p

[VG Aficionado]

So, what was the purpose of the "remastered" trailer??...it looks the same or worse than before..........Well, "remastered" is not a proper word for it, but what would you call this anyway?

http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/afrika/mgs4/MGS406vs07.jpg

[Smokey]

where can i download this new trailer directly onto my PS3??

[VG Aficionado]

You can't. The video quality itself is not really worth it anyway.

[Smokey]

:( ta VG

[KRA]

i don't have ps3.
but maybe you can download it from here
but it isn't HD.

gametrailers remastered trailer MP4 (http://download.gametrailers.com/gt_vault/t_mgs4_e32k6_remastered.mp4)

[VG Aficionado]

Kra's link should be what you're looking for, smokey. However, don't expect amazing video quality at all.

[evillion]

so can we expect wats shown in the trailer b gameplay quality? this is really gonna pwn if gameplay has that graphics

[KRA]

it will have even better graphics i think. there is some time to improve.
and by the way.
isn't it strange that in the end.
it is coming in 2007 in the remastered trailer ?!

[VG Aficionado]

There's a chance it's going to be a bit better than that. Hideo mentioned long ago that from now on, there wouldn't be a quality difference between gameplay and cutscenes (Uncharted proves this is possible), which would make the game seamless. Also, even though this version of the E3 2006 trailer probably runs on one of the latest versions of the game engine, they're still using a year old game assets, which means that since then, they've probably remade some textures and made some changes in character models.

A moderate upgrade may be expected, that's all I could hope for. It looks stunning already, so I wouldn't complain in any case.

Regarding a release date, I guess we'll see a hint of the final one at E3 next month. I don't care when it's released as long as it's polished.

[evillion]

hopefully we c more footages at e3, im sure this alone would make sony the centre of spotlight. densetus no MGS4 da!

[Smokey]

KRA thanks anyway but that vid was shocking lol it was black & white with a green overlay on the top 3/4s of vid :shrug:

[VonGak]

I so hope Kojima Productions will keep shut about the game going multi platform or not because up till now the prospects of a 360 version has managed to silence all Movie Gear Solid, cheesy story and boring game-play comments.

Oh and the "re-mastered" trailer is such a neat inexpensive way to keep the game i people's mind.

EDIT: almost forgot

Bouc Emissaire at NeoGaf has made an even better comparison of the two videos

http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/afrika/mgs4/mgsgif5.gif

[VG Aficionado]

http://generationdreamteam.free.fr/afrika/mgs4/mgsgif5.gif:shocked:

[VideoGame mania]

Konami debunks remastered trailer. http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20070607104048156073&releaseId=20051216153655522074]
nothing new till E3, maybe new footage I hope.
http://i12.tinypic.com/6fskggo.jpg
Gameplay baby!

[VG Aficionado]

Er... it's there for all to see, they don't need to debunk that it's not new footage :shrug:

[VonGak]

Konami debunks remastered trailer. http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20070607104048156073&releaseId=20051216153655522074]
nothing new till E3, maybe new footage I hope.
http://i12.tinypic.com/6fskggo.jpg
Gameplay baby!

LOL, something tells me that Konami is out of touch with Kojima Productions or more likely GamesRadar are making up the stories as they go. :moon:

[VonGak]

Er... it's there for all to see, they don't need to debunk that it's not new footage :shrug:


Maybe our fanboy minds are playing tricks with us so we only see what we want to see. :D

[VideoGame mania]

LOL, something tells me that Konami is out of touch with Kojima Productions
Sony bought KP June 11th confirmed :heybaby:

[VG Aficionado]

Listen to Otacon! (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/radio/the_report/the_report_043.mp3)

[VonGak]

Listen to Otacon! (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/radio/the_report/the_report_043.mp3)

I would if that selfish bastard to Ryan Payton hadn't turned off Otacon's mic.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

it's otacon! vongak, what are you talking about? he's talking the whole time.

[TEEDA]

We 'd better wait for next E3 trailer , I hope they will reveal the bosses

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/95955027420070607174042.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/54138129020070607174439.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/79584971020070607174106.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/131041209920070607174521.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/35924225420070607174626.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/198765706420070607174604.jpg

[VG Aficionado]

I'm going to miss Ocelot's personality... until the plot twist happens, that is.

[Epix]

@TEEDA: Are those diffs from the two versions of the trailer? Can someone diff the Gekko scenes to compare the particle system? It looks like they went Full Range RGB or something.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Do you mean can you see the difference? Cuz yeah, it's immediately obvious. It made my jaw drop all over again.

[TEEDA]

@TEEDA: Are those diffs from the two versions of the trailer? Can someone diff the Gekko scenes to compare the particle system? It looks like they went Full Range RGB or something.

Well yeah , the pics are from the new version of the trailer from gamtrailers, so it has a bad resolution. and the other pics are from the HD from IGN from last year trailer.

I 'll try to grabb some pics of the particle effects.

[curryking1]

LOL! OMG! Otacon and his voice being interviewed! HAHAHHA, I can't stop laughing! It's like the guy straight out of the game being interviewed, I'm imagining Otacon actually talking hahaah, it's just too awesome! Otacon is a movie star :P

[TEEDA]

ok here are more :

http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/156281890620070607183627.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/118929910620070607183700.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/192588323920070607183733.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/82582635020070607183751.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/127771957620070607183834.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/122397429020070607184144.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/76530990920070607184202.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/125944915920070607184436.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/29098008320070607184452.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/155799016120070607184529.jpg
http://www.enregistrersous.com/images/178511502620070607184551.jpg

[Epix]

The lighter (grainier) one's are the latest trailer, correct?

[LiquidEagle]

Yeah. Looks sooooooo nice :-D

[VG Aficionado]

Thanks man :)

I wonder if the game will ultimately look almost black and white or whether there will be some wild color changes throughout the game. Good thing there will be more locations than the Middle East (namely South America and Eastern Europe).

[VonGak]

it's otacon! vongak, what are you talking about? he's talking the whole time.

Nah I just made fun of the difference of voice level. :)

[curryking1]

The lighter (grainier) one's are the latest trailer, correct?

I'm pretty sure the darker and higher contrasted one is the newer version. In motion the spark effects are looking much finer that the older ones in motion.

It's looking a bit bright though. TEEDA did you make those? They look too dark compared to the video I'm watching. I wonder if maybe the playback settings are making it look so highly contrasted?

Maybe it's just me being confused though lol.

Edit - Yes, wait, it is me just being confused, those lighter pictures are the new trailer lol.

Thanks man :)

I wonder if the game will ultimately look almost black and white or whether there will be some wild color changes throughout the game. Good thing there will be more locations than the Middle East (namely South America and Eastern Europe).

Ya, I hope the lighting is exclusive to the Middle Eastern setting. It seems more appropriate for a place like that (except the sky seems a bit too yellow, I personally don't like the look of the sky if that's the art style they are going for with the yellow sky in that setting), but for other settings I hope the colours a different. I think a lighter tinge of yellow would be better, but that's just me lol.

In the trailer, when Otacon is crying a bit, we get to see the vintage blue tinge of MGS lol. I bet in the jungle areas we'll see a lot more variation and the full range of colours.

[TEEDA]

curryking1 > Yup I took the screecaps but , yes they are different from the video because for a certainr eason it looses in color I don't know why.
But the clearer pics are from gametrailers and the darker with the kind of orange tone, is from the HD from IGN.

[Diresu]

My god the IGN boards are in an uproar over the omission of the ps3 logo at the end. Which is made weirder by Konami denying that they even released a remastered trailer at all.

[Segitz]

I dont think much of the colors were changed...

I rather think, it is because of the codec/encoding/decoding differences.

Because, as we know, MGS has a very disctinct choice of light and post processing. This would also mean, that they changed lighting (or rather post processing) in every single scene with the same degree. Everything is "only" lighter and with less color.

Using poor codecs also can contribute to this effect. As flash is being used on the koji pro site, I can definately say, the codec sucks.

[GTShotoKen]

My god the IGN boards are in an uproar over the omission of the ps3 logo at the end. Which is made weirder by Konami denying that they even released a remastered trailer at all.

What boggles my mind is that Konami took the time to re-release the trailer in the first place with E3 so damn close.

I also feel the same confusion as you do Diresu with Konami denying that the trailer was remastered.

I guess they are really anxious to let people know that MGS4 hasn't become inferior since its original envisioning in the TGS2005 trailer.

[Diresu]

What boggles my mind is that Konami took the time to re-release the trailer in the first place with E3 so damn close.

I also feel the same confusion as you do Diresu with Konami denying that the trailer was remastered.

I guess they are really anxious to let people know that MGS4 hasn't become inferior since its original envisioning in the TGS2005 trailer.


I suppose that could be it but as you said why so close to E3. If anything you would think this would steal away some thunder from the E3 showing, unless this IS the E3 trailer they plan to show...which would be dissapointing to say the least.

[GTShotoKen]

I suppose that could be it but as you said why so close to E3. If anything you would think this would steal away some thunder from the E3 showing, unless this IS the E3 trailer they plan to show...which would be dissapointing to say the least.

I pretty much agree.

By the way, the whole PS3 logo issue seems to be intentional. I don't see why there would be a reason for them to forget it since all they had to do was copy those frames into the remastered trailer.

Kojima does have a sense of humor though so I don't know what logic this trailer and all the issues around it hold in his mind.

[masteratt]

Wait why does the 2006 trailer look better than the "re-mastered" 2007 one? :huh:

Maybe Kojima is showing how the game would look if it was on X360? :p lol

[Diresu]

I pretty much agree.

By the way, the whole PS3 logo issue seems to be intentional. I don't see why there would be a reason for them to forget it since all they had to do was copy those frames into the remastered trailer.

Kojima does have a sense of humor though so I don't know what logic this trailer and all the issues around it hold in his mind.

Well I think if there was to be a 360 version (which lack of logo seems to indicate to some people) it would be known by now because it would have had to be in development for a long while now. This is contrary to Kojimas interview few months ago when he flat out denied it. I would not be surprised in the least if this is Kojima branded humor just because of the fact that the rumor won't die.

[GTShotoKen]

Wait why does the 2006 trailer look better than the "re-mastered" 2007 one? :huh:

Maybe Kojima is showing how the game would look if it was on X360? :p lol

Well...the 2006 trailer is available in direct-feed and 720p.....do I have to say more?

There are more particle effects in the remastered trailer and the framerate is much more stable (60fps too). At least we can tell that much from the new trailer.

[masteratt]

Ah, thanks for clearing that up :thumpsup:

[Red_Eyes]

That's because Konami didn't release a remaster version. Instead, Microsoft fanboys took the trailer and remove the PS3 logo, then release it, making it seems like Konami did. LOL.

Seriously though, Konami is right. There is no new content. Only remaster old content.

[Nameless]

The trailer is not even HD so why is everyone picking it apart...
I just want to see an offical direct HD feed of MGS4.

[VG Aficionado]

It's more than obvious why the whole internet is talking about it man, the improvements are totally noticeable and it's not like the trailer wasn't excellent before. Just because it's not HD it doesn't mean it can't be interesting, and it shows.

[LiquidEagle]

Let's just stop the chatter about the logos. It doesn't mean shit and nobody should make it out to mean shit. How the fuck does the exclusion of the PS3 logo mean it's coming out on 360!? By that logic, it isn't coming out on any platforms because there aren't any platform logos. End of story, it's not worth talking about. Let's not talk about the IGN boards either. Go somewhere else if you want to perpetuate rumors or beat dead horses, please. :-/

As for the color scheme & stuff, I wonder if they'll change it -- as always there's tons we don't know about the game (and won't know until it comes out and we actually play it), and we may get more at E3, but it may be as late as August or Sept. (Either Leipzig or TGS) before we see any new areas or hear American voices & what-not. We'll see...

[Z]

here's a thought; what if instead of them re-working a year old trailer, they actually let it run again in-engine. the difference will be the trailer will 'automatically' use the improved engine and resources to output the same video in a better way.

or doesn't it not work that way?

PS. I have my full attention devoted to the smackdown that is MGS4 at E3. I'll bet my good eye that it will be playable- privately or publicly!

[KRA]

here's a thought; what if instead of them re-working a year old trailer, they actually let it run again in-engine. the difference will be the trailer will 'automatically' use the improved engine and resources to output the same video in a better way.

or doesn't it not work that way?

or they actually made it that way :)

but anyway it don't have to be quite that simple because.
the engine could evolve into something quite different.
you know that old trailer was made on very earlly engine.

[Segitz]

Let's just stop the chatter about the logos. It doesn't mean shit and nobody should make it out to mean shit. How the fuck does the exclusion of the PS3 logo mean it's coming out on 360!? By that logic, it isn't coming out on any platforms because there aren't any platform logos. End of story, it's not worth talking about. Let's not talk about the IGN boards either. Go somewhere else if you want to perpetuate rumors or beat dead horses, please. :-/

As for the color scheme & stuff, I wonder if they'll change it -- as always there's tons we don't know about the game (and won't know until it comes out and we actually play it), and we may get more at E3, but it may be as late as August or Sept. (Either Leipzig or TGS) before we see any new areas or hear American voices & what-not. We'll see...

Yes, even the TGS didnt have a PS3 logo...

And to the color scheme. I think, as I said in my prev. post, comes from differences in the codecs and such.

[Z]

mar my words; seven years from now, there will still be 'rumors' of MGS4 coming to X2 (or by that time, they'll call it an 'up-scaled X3 port!)...

[yoshaw]

Maybe Kojima is showing how the game would look if it was on X360? :p lol

Oh, you didn't!

LOL

[Smokey]

Oh, you didn't!

LOL

ya he did :moon:

[LiquidEagle]

here's a thought; what if instead of them re-working a year old trailer, they actually let it run again in-engine. the difference will be the trailer will 'automatically' use the improved engine and resources to output the same video in a better way.

I'm with KRA -- maybe that is what they did, and that's why they don't consider it remastered? :-p

Regardless of the visuals, it's undeniable that the music is changed and is a different mix/arrangement from the original E3 trailer.

[Sephiroth_VII]

I just replayed MGS1, but the GC version. Raven actually says "My spirit and my flesh will become one with the ravens" when he's about to die, so I guess that explains the scene in the MGS4 trailer.

Oh, and he also says: "Snake! I will be watching you, understand?", which again has something to do with the trailer.

[cliffbo]

Originally Posted by masteratt View Post
Maybe Kojima is showing how the game would look if it was on X360? :p lol

can we please stop knocking the inferior hardware...

[LiquidEagle]

I just replayed MGS1, but the GC version. Raven actually says "My spirit and my flesh will become one with the ravens" when he's about to die, so I guess that explains the scene in the MGS4 trailer.

Oh, and he also says: "Snake! I will be watching you, understand?", which again has something to do with the trailer.

:laugh: yeah, when I first saw those ravens in the trailer I thought it was going to be Vulcan Raven's return or something!

[curryking1]

It was! Figuratively... :)

[Sephiroth_VII]

Oh, and also, Ocelot seems to have a vaccine for FOXDIE, he says so in the ending sequence. Maybe Old Snake can be cured?

[curryking1]

Maybe he will turn back into Young Snake! :O

[Sephiroth_VII]

Doubt it, but it's Kojima, soooo....

G' night.

[VG Aficionado]

In MGS1 for PS1, you can hear Vulcan Raven's breathe in the room where you defeated him, while you see some ravens flying around. And that starts a while after "I'll be watching".

[Diresu]

Maybe he will turn back into Young Snake! :O

maybe thats why you see the glimpse of young snake in the trailer....

[cliffbo]

will you fellas stop waffling on about MGS! every time i see this thread pop back up the pecking order, i think some new information is in the offing, only to find you're talking about how many polygons go into making his tash! pack it in will you! how many is it, as a matter of interest?

[curryking1]

His stash is cool though. I mean, that's like 6000 polygons right there! :D

[cliffbo]

His stash is cool though. I mean, that's like 6000 polygons right there! :D

maybe if he shaved, they could have more detail in the background. i wonder if that works in the real world too...mmmmmmm... if everyone shaved, perhaps i wouldn't need glasses! it's worth a try!

[VG Aficionado]

Cliffbo... just STFU :norris:

[curryking1]

It's kind of interesting to bring that up though.

I know for a fact FF X was all like 'Yo check out my polygons dude! So many polygons in my face and my nose!'

But then FF XII comes later and once again they find out less polygons is actually quite a bit more reasonable to make better looking graphics.

Now, this isn't to say I want the super moustache to take leave.

What I'm saying kind of is, it seems that early on, a lot of devs, even the best ones, kind of like overshoot the amount of polygons they need. But I guess this has to do with learning the architecture, but I kind of find it odd how apparent and uniform that trend was with the PS2 going from early gen to the latter part of the generation. Or at least how uniform it was for games I am thinking of right now.

So that's also to say, maybe right now, the way they know how to get the most detail out of the PS3 is the way they are doing it right now, and I guess they will learn a better way later, who knows.

[Fats]

Would this be an appropriate time to post the image of a train wreck?

[curryking1]

Do we (it's not just me is it?) really derail stuff that badly? :(

This is having to do a teensy bit about MGS4, no? lol :P

One more thing though, the game moustache is probably not anywhere close to 6k polygons, it just wouldn't make much sense. It's probably something a lot simpler but gives the same idea as the 6k one made to model Old Snake.

[cliffbo]

Do we (it's not just me is it?) really derail stuff that badly? :(

This is having to do a teensy bit about MGS4, no? lol :P

no that's not derailing a thread! you made a good point about my joke, that's all... lol. VG looks angry oooooooooooooo

[curryking1]

I think he's (half?) joking lol, that's what Chuck Norris is for, VG doesn't seem like an angry type of person :P

[Fats]

:shrug:

http://usera.imagecave.com/scottbakalar/blogstuff2/trainwreck.jpg

[cliffbo]

I think he's (half?) joking lol, that's what Chuck Norris is for, VG doesn't seem like an angry type of person :P

he might have been joking, but he really upset me

[GTAce]

:lol: @Pic

[curryking1]

Wow! I can't derail a thread THAT badly.

Can I? lol!

he might have been joking, but he really upset me

Drink some mango juice! Always makes me happy :)

....

Hmmmm.... maybe I can derail that badly.... o wellz

[cliffbo]

Wow! I can't derail a thread THAT badly.

Can I? lol!



Drink some mango juice! Always makes me happy :)

....

Hmmmm.... maybe I can derail that badly.... o wellz

it's alright i feel better now, thanks for your support Curry :) LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[LiquidEagle]

Does anybody else immediately think of Vulcan Raven any time they hear a Raven or a Crow? :-p

[curryking1]

*slowly raises hand...*

More often than maybe I'd like at least lol :P

[Z]

In MGS1 for PS1, you can hear Vulcan Raven's breathe in the room where you defeated him, while you see some ravens flying around. And that starts a while after "I'll be watching".
that's creepy. I haven't noticed it.
It's kind of interesting to bring that up though.

I know for a fact FF X was all like 'Yo check out my polygons dude! So many polygons in my face and my nose!'

But then FF XII comes later and once again they find out less polygons is actually quite a bit more reasonable to make better looking graphics.


it isn't about over shooting themselves. it is as simple as them getting more efficient and resourceful at getting better results. one would expect a raw-strength approach initially until skill is required ans shown later on. many titles follow that procedure. Halo 1 had more polys per character than Halo 2 yet the latter looks better. GTA3 and SC2 take more disk space than their sequels- even though the sequels have more content.

[curryking1]

^That's what I said after... lol. It should have to do with them getting to know the architecture over time also, so they figure out a different way to get better results. At this time, they don't know the better way so they choose the best they have now.

[Fazares]

Do we (it's not just me is it?) really derail stuff that badly? :(

This is having to do a teensy bit about MGS4, no? lol :P

One more thing though, the game moustache is probably not anywhere close to 6k polygons, it just wouldn't make much sense. It's probably something a lot simpler but gives the same idea as the 6k one made to model Old Snake.

they officially said...mustache=about the same as a mgs3 soldier
and snake hair=60k vertices....

[Epix]

MGS4 Released date from a Hollywood Video computer captured. (http://www.rumorreporter.com/?p=263)
DATE: 11/01/07

This is just a rumor and most likely just a temporary holding place date. rumorreporter.com has been buzy today.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

A soldier in MGS3 couldn't have been any more than 3000 polygons, and that's pushing it. They're not that detailed, they just have really good texturing. A vertex and a polygon aren't the same thing, a vertex is basically a dot. A polygon is a triangle (for example). So 6000 vertices is 6000 points, which are used to create lines, or shapes.

And yeah, the release date is probably just placeholder, because all we know is 'november' as the tentative release date.

[Z]

I am told not to believe release dates that are listed for the first day in a month. I don't know how that doesn't happen, but what the heck.
they officially said...mustache=about the same as a mgs3 soldier
and snake hair=60k vertices....
yu know that is technically feasible, right? ;)
Lali
A soldier in MGS3 couldn't have been any more than 3000 polygons, and that's pushing it.
If I remember the old quote, they were talking about pure polygons. in which case, 3K wouldn't be anything compared to how many they can push with PS3. look at how many poly's Lair users, or GT5, or the others.

[Segitz]

One polygon in a game usually is a triangle and a triangle has 1 face, 3 edges and 3 vertices (basic 3d stuff).

If the mustache alone has as many faces as a basic MGS3 solider, it is imho a bit too much (if ingame model, not cutscene) as those ressources can be put into stuff, better suited for it. But as todays games like HS have ~3mil polys in given scenes (B3D forum, NAo said so iirc), having that many polys on the beard alone is ok :D

I am soooo psyched for this game, I just cant stand it, yet I have to wait looooong before I finally get my hands on it. It would be nice, to have the real release date already (even if it would get pushed back (max a month!))

[yoshaw]

Do you guys know who subbed/encoded that leaked mgs4 video? (points @ mustache soldier reference vid)

Ok, I'll give a hint.



One was from B3D and the other....





:smoke:

[Epix]

Where do you live Yoshaw? Dubai?

[VG Aficionado]

Snake in MGS3 was comprised of 1900 polygons approximately, after undergoing a polygon reduction from about 3900 (the character model looked the same and the hardware would perform better). I saw this in a pic of the programs they used to make the models. It's probably posted somewhere in the previous MGS4 thread.

I'd say that a MGS3 soldier has about 1000 and 1500 polygons, given that their faces aren't as detailed as the main character models and so.

[Z]

If the mustache alone has as many faces as a basic MGS3 solider, it is imho a bit too much

it is too much, but that doesn't mean the final game will actually have all that. these are early result numbers that often change as the project gets finalized for release.

PS. remember the comments Kojima said about the hair? he said he MAY make some kind of interactivity possible with it like beard growing as you play, head hair getting wet when rain falls or you get water on it. he even proposed a far possibility of including a shaving mini-game. lol

that guy is wack...in a good way of course. ;)

[Fazares]

of course i know what a vertex is..i just repeated what they said in the old mgs4 real time demonstration....if someone can post that old vid..btw, i heard a mgs3 soldier is made of about 3k triangles and 5k for snake char model....

[solidsnakejej]

Some info from the KP Report 45, the remastered trailer was for GC 06 and we will be seeing new environments soon.
http://mp.i-revo.jp/user.php/kp-ryan/entry/101.html

[VG Aficionado]

South America and Eastern Europe confirmed for E3 =-o (I guess)

[Z]

what ever they do, MGS will own every major game show unveiling for the next decade.

[Diresu]

what ever they do, MGS will own every major game show unveiling for the next decade.

Damn straight.

[VG Aficionado]

Let's just say MGS4 has pwned them already :norris:

[Diresu]

Let's just say MGS4 has pwned them already :norris:

Kojima can just walk on stage, walk right of. Not show a damn thing and it would still be the"best of E3"

[curryking1]

Kojima should dress up as Solid Snake, and it would make sense to do it too! He said he's really feeling 'old' in the sense he feels different things now because of his age, and he even said he wants to explore with MGS4 what it feels like to be old because of that as well. He should definitely do that!

[Diresu]

Kojima should dress up as Solid Snake, and it would make sense to do it too! He said he's really feeling 'old' in the sense he feels different things now because of his age, and he even said he wants to explore with MGS4 what it feels like to be old because of that as well. He should definitely do that!

LMAO Oh that would own so much. I would friggin frame that image...oh I can't stop laughing at the thought.

[yoshaw]

Let's just say MGS4 has pwned them already :norris:

And then there was the phantom :worthy: known as .......





















.... ZOE3 =-o OMG! what'd I just say?!

[TEEDA]

And then there was the phantom :worthy: known as .......


Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ZOE 3 !!!! AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :clap:


















.... ZOE3 =-o OMG! what'd I just say?!

[makeitlookreal]

I want to see how the graphical quality of the game has held up. Remember, Kojima said that the graphical quality would be at least as good as what we saw at the Tokyo game show a couple years ago. If they match that level of quality I will be very happy.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yes MILR, we all know you're a graphics whore. Same s*** different day. What's new?

[Nameless]

^^ MILR do you have your PS3 yet? :huh:

[VG Aficionado]

Remember, Kojima said that the graphical quality would be at least as good as what we saw at the Tokyo game show a couple years ago.He never said that. Regarding graphics, he did say that the TGS 2005 trailer represented what the PS3 could do, and then he said that what we saw at E3 2006 would get better. Considering that the PS3 has to process a lot more things than graphics, they will have to find a balance between game processing and graphics processing, so don't expect TGS05 graphics level simply because not all of the hardware resources can be dedicated to graphics.

But you just will ignore all common sense and believe what you'd like to believe until disappointment hits you with a golf club in the head, won't you? ;)

[LiquidEagle]

The graphics are TGS 05 level (or better with the motion blur now), just stylized more so less detail is generally visible.

[VG Aficionado]

Some things are better and some things are worse, but there's really absolutely nothing to complain about. Even those gameplay screenshots that looked "meh" back at TGS 2006 aren't representative of the graphics judging by what the gameplay looked like (I'm not talking about animations and whatever, that will surely improve as well).

I just wouldn't bother to discuss the graphics as I'm confident I'll have nothing to worry about. I'd rather discuss the storyline or the gameplay, but that's MILR for you ;)

[Smokey]

so don't expect TGS05 graphics level
ive watched the TGS 05 Vid & E306 one & i tell ya the 05 one looks shit compared to the latset ones. i mean its tooo colourful that aint metalgear I tell ya

[VG Aficionado]

Yeah, the visual style is more spot-on in the latest trailers, and I'm sure it will still improve. Not exactly what graphics are all about, and everyone has their own taste, so whatever.

[Saibo]

ive watched the TGS 05 Vid & E306 one & i tell ya the 05 one looks shit compared to the latset ones. i mean its tooo colourful that aint metalgear I tell ya


your joking right? lol. because as a 3D artist i can see the differences between the 2. the TGS trailer was just better. Snake and Octacon had more polygons/higher texture resolution compare to the E3 06 trailer, which is understandable since they are doing more with the latter demo.

The lighting in the remaster trailer is definitely better than before. More important the frame rate has improve alot!

[hevymac]

I was there (TGS 05) and it WAS in real time. Hideo was moving to camera and explaining it all. The shadow system was much less complicated. So please, non of this "TGS 05 was not real time.....

[Smokey]

nah not joking. i dont have a clue when you people say polygons/higher texture resolution. im not here to count polygons im hear to see my favorite game look as good as it can. and to me the latter looks alot better than 05 version. i know his mo & crap looked *more detailed in 05* but the colour the style didnt look as good. im counting polygons lol god forbid

[makeitlookreal]

Nameless,

No, I do not have my PS3 yet.

Omega told me that he was going to be sending it out soon (perhaps in a weeks time I think he said) about two months ago when he asked for my shipping information.

However, it did not arrive. I finally contacted him and he responded by apologizing for the delay, but did not give me any additional information.

So I'm totally at a loss when it comes to when my PS3 will arrive.

I realize I'm getting it for free so I'm not in a rush. I'm very thankful for it!

However, I'm hoping he will contact me again and at least give me a general time line of when I might get it.

[Nameless]

^Good luck...

[makeitlookreal]

Hello Nameless,

Thanks for the kind words!

I'm tremendously looking forward to my PS3.

I'm hoping that I will be able to play MGS4 on it!

[curryking1]

No MILR, MGS4 will not work on your PS3! I read it in the stars!

[makeitlookreal]

I basically meant that I hope I get my PS3 by the time MGS4 ships.

[Nameless]

^ If you do not have it before the end of the year I doubt you will ever see the free console... I would recommend you start considering a plan B just in case the free console does not happen.

[makeitlookreal]

Nameless,

I was promised the free console and I believe that Omega will keep his word. I don't think he would lie to me.

I plan to play MGS4 on it.

[yoshaw]

I smell cheese.

[makeitlookreal]

Yoshaw,

What do you mean by, "I smell cheese."

[GTShotoKen]

Well, Omega should just give me a PS3 for now just to let you know that one's coming and he has the ability to...or anyone....come on!!!! :(

[makeitlookreal]

Well, I think MGS4 is going to be an awesome game.

Who here thinks it will match in graphical quality what we have seen so far?

[Red_Eyes]

Why would it not match? It could only get better.

[Z]

freakin PM each other this stuff! it is enough that the thread is being MILRed to have personal matter thrown in as well. I want my metals of gears talk to go on!

[VG Aficionado]

Z is right, this is no place to discuss MILR's matters. Stay on topic, please.

[Z]

and I thought it would help by putting him on my ignore list...

*focuses on Psycho Mantis to distract mind*

[makeitlookreal]

Who here thinks MGS4 will have a jungle scene?

[VG Aficionado]

South America has been confirmed as a location, so maybe. And no, in any case it won't look like Crysis, not even close.

[makeitlookreal]

I read that in the PS2 MGS games that they did jungle scenes well.

[Smokey]

I read that in the PS2 MGS games that they did jungle scenes well.

why dont you play it MILR

[VG Aficionado]

MGS3 is almost entirely set in a jungle. More of a reason not to repeat the same kind of environments in MGS4, the fans want new experiences.

why dont you play it MILRHe only cares about the graphics :(

[makeitlookreal]

I'm hoping MGS4 will be all over the place. I want to see sunny beaches, deserts, jungles, and combat in cities.

[Z]

I think he would have the only negative comment on Crysis anywhere. lol

I wonder what he thinks when looking at himself in the mirror? "that nose looks totally off. not enough specular lighting on eyes. I look dead. lip sync is off. cloth animation is old gen. *butt-heads wall* pain simulation inaccurate. *talks* voice recognition un usable."


man, that's scary. he sounds like an alien...oh my God I figured it out! call NASA!!


(sorry pal. just having fun. ;p)

[LiquidEagle]

If it's in South America I think we can count on some kind of a jungle since MGS3 taught us to land several miles outside of the target and infiltrate from there... Or you can ride a truck in :-p

[VG Aficionado]

I just don't expect a full-blown jungle, which wouldn't make sense to begin with.

[Z]

I expect the first game to be short and confined as much as MGS2 was for MGS3 since it is their first PS3 game and online will take a portion of their development. but who knows. in any case, I know I'll love whatever they throw at me. :)

[VG Aficionado]

Short? From what we know, I think MGS4 will be even longer than MGS3. That's the feeling I'm getting.

[masteratt]

Yeah I mean c'mon at one point he complained to Sony that he wanted bigger Blu-Rays.

I doubt Kojima was doing that just for PR.

I expect at least 35hours of solid gameplay from this title.

I mean, just the fact that it has 5 locations ensures we are in for a loooooong ride.

[Z]

Short? From what we know, I think MGS4 will be even longer than MGS3. That's the feeling I'm getting.
no I mean wearing shorts...*trying disgracefully to cover up*. Snake would look much more badd-ass wearing shorts!

okay, maybe as long/short as MGS3- which by the way I am fine with. it is about how much fun you have not how long a game is. MGS3 took me about 15 hours or so to finish, iirc, and I enjoyed it.
throw in online and you can forget to ever sleep again for the next two weeks.
Yeah I mean c'mon at one point he complained to Sony that he wanted bigger Blu-Rays.

I think he made that comment in a mag as a candid way to show they are pushing boundries. I would be very surprised if the game ended up filling even 20G. and don't forget about dual layer BDs. :)

in any case, with such graphics and technology as we've seen last year, I cannot complain about anything if I had the MILRs.



I mean, just the fact that it has 5 locations ensures we are in for a loooooong ride.
the thing is, I would never rush such a game. I feel sorry for those who wait months and years for games like KH2 only to finish it in 7 hours or something. the KH++ launched in Japan and in less than 24 hours, a YouTube video was showing the ending...:moon:

I take my time with these fantastic offerings. I look around, search levels, experiment, backtrack, try different approaches, etc. I try to get the whole fix. after all, it isn't everyday you get to play such projects. ;)

[Smokey]

freakin PM each other this stuff! it is enough that the thread is being MILRed to have personal matter thrown in as well. I want my metals of gears talk to go on!

youre joking right?

[makeitlookreal]

I think he would have the only negative comment on Crysis anywhere. lol

I wonder what he thinks when looking at himself in the mirror? "that nose looks totally off. not enough specular lighting on eyes. I look dead. lip sync is off. cloth animation is old gen. *butt-heads wall* pain simulation inaccurate. *talks* voice recognition un usable."


man, that's scary. he sounds like an alien...oh my God I figured it out! call NASA!!


(sorry pal. just having fun. ;p)

Hello Z,

I'm not offended. Don't worry, I know you were just teasing me.

I don't mind at all being teased about aliens, because extraterrestrial life is one of my favorite topics. If they could integrate a storyline about an extraterrestrial organism into MGS that would be awesome!

By the way, Crysis does look very impressive. I'm certain that MGS will not match it, but I hope it comes close.

[VG Aficionado]

The more you post in this thread, the more we know you are having totally wrong impressions of what Metal Gear Solid is about, MILR. Please forget about extraterrestrial beings and colorful stuff because you will never find that in MGS games. Please stop.

[makeitlookreal]

VG,

From what I understand MGS already has cloning, cyborgs, vampires, and spirits. Why could it not have an alien organism?

[NeoPlayStation]

South America has been confirmed as a location, so maybe. And no, in any case it won't look like Crysis, not even close.

South America is more than a tropical forest, VG.

[curryking1]

VG,

From what I understand MGS already has cloning, cyborgs, vampires, and spirits. Why could it not have an alien organism?

Go play MGS, and understand.

[makeitlookreal]

curryking,

That is not answering my question. It seems like the world of MGS is already pretty wild. You have all kinds of creatures including vampires, cyborgs, spirits possessing people, and all sorts of things. It seems almost anything is possible in the MGS universe.

[curryking1]

MGS isn't about extraterrestrials invading earth. It's about more real world conflicts and exploring real world scenarios through somewhat more believable unreal world scenarios or even extreme style forecasted world scenarios for the future, with an over the top coat of paint.

MGS is about people doing amazing things, or grotesque things, or supernatural things, or evil things to each other.

Why are there things like spirits? This guy is from Japan. Hideo Kojima isn't Tom Clancy where everything is confined to realism. Spirits, speaking to the dead, psychological things, these things have the same meaning as they would in a fictitious historical rendition of history (that's the weirdest ending of a sentence ever lol).

There are a few animes that are about history, but are modified slightly with magic and spirit meeting because they help to explain some sort of theme with entertaining/different means. Same as in MGS. Fear, Joy, Fury, Sorrow, End, and Pain. These all are people with supernatural abilities who represent obstacles, literally and figuratively, for Big Boss in MGS3.

[makeitlookreal]

curryking,

I was not thinking so much of aliens invading earth as some human organization getting a hold of an alien organism or DNA and weaponizing it. For example, remember how in the Aliens movies the military wanted to get a sample of the DNA so they could make a weapon? What if one of the members of the private mercenary companies made some sort of super soldier that utilized alien DNA or some kind of disease?

Of course what would be really interesting if a common threat to all of humanity arrived in the MGS universe. I wonder how all the different factions would react?

[curryking1]

Ok, that's an interesting application.

But there's one major reason why I don't think it will happen.

MGS is talking about real world scenarios. Yes, maybe aliens isn't that far fetched for the MGS universe to be used as a weapon.

But there are things that are more applicable to the real world. MGS2 was about information control, the internet. MGS4, is going to explore 'the future of real war.' That means from MGS2 it's going to take the nanomachines to control minds of soldiers in war and emotions in war, and it's also going to go further into biotechnology and using biology as weapons.

This biological weapons, like the Gekkos or Rays from MGS2, that's kind of like your 'using aliens as weapons' but it's not aliens. It's using biotechnology, which is a real world thing, yet over the top by a little or a lot.

And about introducing a common threat. I'm not saying it's uninteresting, but please understand me. The real world, there is no real common threat. MGS is exploring a future world of ours, where there probably will again, be no common threat. MGS is to explore the future world where every one has weapons, and so many people are fighting, and racing for technology and Metal Gears, and what could happen if this continued for X amount of time and finally the situation exploded into some grand war.

A common enemy or introducing an alien is something maybe similar, but not the best way to explore real world scenarios right now. And maybe you're thinking by saying there should be a common enemy it will be telling the world to unite against something? You see, that's not a very effective way of talking about a real world situation in my opinion. The world is not that simple, and to talk about more complicated issues, something like that just isn't effective to me.

[yoshaw]

Lemme smack some sense into the alien hybrid theory that is being induced into MGS4. Guys, Solid Snake is out there for his last ever outing. Kojima wants Snake to die in peace in some gun blazing adrenaline filled scenario. Not some tentacle hentai where Snake gets tortured by so called 'extra terrestrials' and his genes get transported to Uranus. Where he gets cloned n reproduced with Alien DNA to battle mini-gear-rex's.

Ahhh Bollocks!! ... I fell for you guys trap >_< Wait for E3 ok. Quit messing with my fav series. Your scenario sux! Leave it to the pro, in this case Kojima Pro ;)

[Smokey]

Guys, Solid Snake is out there for his last ever outing
BLASPHEMY dont say that :(

[OmniCloud]

BLASPHEMY dont say that :(I'm telling you guys..Snake is gonna turn into Big Boss...He's tired of being the hero--If he doesn't get Meryl or even get his life back from Foxdie, he's gonna go beserk, and you'll have to fight him in MGS5-my two cents anyway:shrug: lol

[Smokey]

I'm telling you guys..Snake is gonna turn into Big Boss...He's tired of being the hero--If he doesn't get Meryl or even get his life back from Foxdie, he's gonna go beserk, and you'll have to fight him in MGS5-my two cents anyway:shrug: lol

thats more like it, meryl needs a good spankin too :heybaby:

[VG Aficionado]

South America is more than a tropical forest, VG.Who could have guessed! :susp:

[LiquidEagle]

I'm pretty sure Brazil takes up the entirety of South America and that country is all jungle. So no, South America is not more than a tropical forest.

[VonGak]

LOL what's next, that Europe is more than the UK?

[makeitlookreal]

At the end snake's consciousness needs to be put into a younger clone's body.

[curryking1]

.................................................. .....


.................................................. ................................................

[Sephiroth_VII]

:wtf:

[masteratt]

HAhahahahahahahahaha, been reading the thread and oh man MILR, you HAVE to write a story for one of the MGS games.

You just have to, hahaha.

Awesome stuff :laugh:

[LiquidEagle]

At the end snake's consciousness needs to be put into a younger clone's body.

dude, not even joking -- PLAY THE METAL GEAR GAMES. I can't stress it enough that you need to play those games and understand the universe. You'll realize how far-out your suggestions are related to the MGS universe and you'll gain a real appreciation for the world KCEJ West/KojiPro built.

[VG Aficionado]

He's going to be so disappointed by MGS4... he's not going to understand a thing and the graphics won't live up to his expectations.

[False_Messiah]

I'm pretty sure Brazil takes up the entirety of South America and that country is all jungle. So no, South America is not more than a tropical forest.

http://wikitravel.org/upload/pt/thumb/b/b4/Saopaulo_copan.jpg/425px-Saopaulo_copan.jpg

Sao Paulo, Brazil. Yes, its pretty ugly. No, Brazil capital is not buenos aires.

[LiquidEagle]

http://wikitravel.org/upload/pt/thumb/b/b4/Saopaulo_copan.jpg/425px-Saopaulo_copan.jpg

Sao Paulo, Brazil. Yes, its pretty ugly. No, Brazil capital is not buenos aires.

hehe just wanted to make sure you know I was being sarcastic in my earlier post :-p

I'm not sure exactly where MGS4 would take place in South America but I'm thinking Colombia since that's generally the big hotspot.

San Hieronymo Peninsula, anyone? :-D

[VG Aficionado]

Funny that MPO didn't have any jungle sections. I guess it's because they had to keep the map design simple and PSP would have had a hard time processing something as detailed as MGS3's jungle. Still, it was surprisingly long and varied, IMO.

[Segitz]

Funny that MPO didn't have any jungle sections. I guess it's because they had to keep the map design simple and PSP would have had a hard time processing something as detailed as MGS3's jungle. Still, it was surprisingly long and varied, IMO.

I dont think, the PSP would have had many problems with that, but rather the memory constraints (esp. the SLOW UMD drive) were the culprit. Looking at GTA VCS, R* did a great job at converting it to the PSP, esp. considering that the PSP is such a small system. (tbh. the PSP is a magnificient piece of engineering. Major amounts of bandwidth thru eDRAM etc. and the like)


Kojima (or some of his affiliates) said, they converted the MGS3 engine to the PSP at nearly full speed, but the PS2 version can rely on a (compared to UMD) rather fast DVD drive for streaming stuff. Imho, MGPO was a great game, but lacked in certain occasions (especially cutscenes, those pictorials were just "bad" compared to what we saw in MGS3).

I hope, MGS4 is a bit less linear than MGS2 and 3 were. In those, you couldnt do anything else then following the main story. As Kojima said, you are in a war zone, my view on this is more of a sandbox environment. And I hope, they do at least a little bit of this (and GREAT cutscenes, we all know, Kojima is a movie god :D)

[VG Aficionado]

Considering there were some slowdowns during gameplay, I think the PSP was almost fully exploited as it was. Regarding loading/streaming, all the environments and music were fully loaded in memory in just a few seconds and I doubt they used all of the available memory considering PSP renders at a lower resolution than PS2, that it has better compression support and that some environments weren't too big, although others were. The UMD drive was always idle during gameplay. It only worked during load times, codec conversations and cutscenes.

As for the cutscenes: well, MPO is a "cheap" MGS title. It doesn't have the same production values as MGS2 or MGS3, but it feels like they successfully made an almost nearly as good game with like a 5th of the budget. It is so long, so varied and in many ways so different to traditional MGS titles, yet it manages to feel like the best PSP game yet.

In any case, I liked MPO in all ways and I was still very impressed with the not-so-far-from-PS2 visuals.

Regarding MGS4, it's been confirmed that it uses a streaming engine and that the war zones are not linear, as there's always a way to sneak through them and/or go Rambo on the battlefield.

[LiquidEagle]

As a fan of the MGS DGN (anybody else have it?), I really like the cinemas in MPO and I thought it was a cool style choice for the smaller screen, but I'd never want to see something like that happen in a console MGS.

God dammit I can't wait for MGS4.

Also, regarding the MGS DGN -- has anybody read the Psycho Mantis fight? It's very awesome how they handled it, and if the movie is indeed based on Shadow Moses, that's how the movie should do it!

[Z]

wait a sec; did Koji say there will be a playable at E3 a while back? I know TGS will have one, but did he say something about E3?

suddenly, I have another game to define E3 along with Killzone. if only FF13 would be shown in a playable form I would have the best threesom in my life! (or is that foursome?).

in any case, TGS will have MGS4 and FF13 in playable form- one way or another. and no, the latter isn't confirmed by anyone other than my uncanny instincts.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

As a fan of the MGS DGN (anybody else have it?), I really like the cinemas in MPO and I thought it was a cool style choice for the smaller screen, but I'd never want to see something like that happen in a console MGS.

God dammit I can't wait for MGS4.

Also, regarding the MGS DGN -- has anybody read the Psycho Mantis fight? It's very awesome how they handled it, and if the movie is indeed based on Shadow Moses, that's how the movie should do it!

Hell yeah I got The digital graphic novel. It's awesome. I agree about the Mantis scene.

[curryking1]

That's a foursome I think Z. I'm pretty sure you're supposed to include yourself ;)

And damn.. I want the DGN.. lucky bastards....

[Shadow Voa]

I'm telling you guys..Snake is gonna turn into Big Boss...He's tired of being the hero--If he doesn't get Meryl or even get his life back from Foxdie, he's gonna go beserk, and you'll have to fight him in MGS5-my two cents anyway:shrug: lol

Though I suspect despite the trailer mentioning his genes wiped out, there is another. I told this to Seph once, a New Snake emerging forward (son of SS with Meryl?) or in this case, he could be a Perfect Snake as it were. He's the ultimate legacy I believe in the end of MGS4. But that's just me...

[Sephiroth_VII]

Your theory isn't impossible. The Patriots may have chosen to create a new Big Boss recently, which accounts for his young looks. They need someone who can fight Snake and Liquid, now that Ocelot can't help them anymore.

[masonite]

Your theory isn't impossible. The Patriots may have chosen to create a new Big Boss recently, which accounts for his young looks. They need someone who can fight Snake and Liquid, now that Ocelot can't help them anymore.

what if they created one already? whose name starts with R.....


the story behind him is pretty shady, theres still a few blank spaces that could possibly be filled - if he was unimprotant he'd have just been cut after MGS 2, but he's back, and they're trying to make him likeable - i reckon that could be because he's the spiritual successor.



I also wonder whose side he is going to be on... because now he's a mean motherf*cker, who ain't gonna take no crap from nobody...

http://homepages.nyu.edu/~lb620/images/coolrunnings3.jpg

[Sephiroth_VII]

He doesn't look like BB at all, so I doubt it. But, if they were able to isolate the Super Soldier gene, it's possible that they've created an army of clones who doesn't look like him. They wouldn't stop at Raiden, but rather continue producing them.

[GTShotoKen]

I believe there will be a huge plot twist where we find out that Big Boss was actually born from Metal Gear and the snake lineage is able to fire Nuclear Missles from their quadriceps.

The reason why Solid Snake survived longer than Liquid Snake was because Liquid received the dominate, but unfortunately irradiated genes.


But the main plot of the Metal Gear series is truly just a conspiracy devised by the patriots to keep Duke Nukem Forever from surfacing to the masses.

...I know...I just felt random....

[curryking1]

^Knock that MILR out of your head dangnabbit!

MGS is hilarious.

It makes people say awesome stuff like 'Super Soldier Gene.' :)

My guess is... Another Snake is made.

Why I think my guess is wrong... I think that would make for a horrible plot. I don't know why, but I don't think that's what Kojima has in store for us.

Well.. the only thing that I can picture though is that, or Snake is cured. Yet I'm still leaning towards the former, even if I still think it's wrong...

Ya.......

[Smokey]

i still cant beleive MGS thread aint a sticky

[LiquidEagle]

Lest ye all forget...
There's room for only one Snake, and one Boss!

I'm not sure how that disproves a Snake clone but I like to think it does because I don't particularly like the idea of another Snake :-p

[LiquidEagle]

Okay, I need help here:

With Metal Gear's 20th anniversary fast approaching, I wanted to celebrate. I want to play through every Metal Gear, but I can't figure out how. I could either go in chronological order of release, or chronological order of events in the series. Which do you guys think I should do, and when should I start? I was originally planning to play them all leading up to July 7th and finish on that day, but maybe I should start on the 7th? Please give me suggestions on order and when I should start/finish... I need help! It's not really that big of a deal I guess but I want to do something cool :-D

[VG Aficionado]

:laugh:

Just play them whenever you have time. I will play them all in cronological order of events, not release, when MGS4 gets a final release date.

[Smokey]

how can i play them all on my PS3 or are we only talking PS1 onwards here??

[VG Aficionado]

You can play MGS1, 2 and 3 on your PS3, although if you care about rumble you'll have to use your PS2.

Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2, the old classic games, are included in MGS3: Subsistence.

The only canonical Metal Gear game that would require another system is Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops.

[GTAce]

MGS2: Substance doesnt work on the PS3. at least not the game disc lol.

[VG Aficionado]

Not even after the latest firmware updates?

[GTAce]

Nope, a buddy from me bought it for ca. 2 weeks and it didnt worked on our PS3s just the bonus disc works and not even good.
Every cutscene/video crashed and with some strange, loud, beeeep sounds. 8/

[VG Aficionado]

Too bad. I'm sure it's on a priority list of games to be tested and fixed on software BC. MGS3 works great, and so does the original MGS2.

[satriales]

I'd love to see MGS1 released on PSN. I've got MGS2 and 3, but I haven't played MGS1 since the PS1 days and then I sold it along with the console when moving to PS2.

[VG Aficionado]

Blasphemy!

[LiquidEagle]

Substance works on American PS3's :-p

And c'mon VG, I need a better suggestion than "play them when you have time" :laugh:

Maybe that's what I'll do though...

[VG Aficionado]

And c'mon VG, I need a better suggestion than "play them when you have time" :laugh:Play them all on the 7th :-p

[LiquidEagle]

:lol: I'll just play them when I have time

[VG Aficionado]

What? Can't you play them all on a single day? What kind of fan are you? :norris:

[Z]

if I am allowed to go 1% FF7 Fanatic wacky and could dream up a wish it would be this:

I would wish for a MG and MG2 remake on PSN. I would gladly accept MGS1 quality. that should be cheap, quick and easy to make with a ton of cash at the end of the snake rainbow. make it happen Konami! ...pretty please?

[Segitz]

MGS2SoL works on PAL PS3s... dunno why Substance wouldnt work. But more important to me was MGS3S, as it was borked in update 1.7 (but fixed in 1.8)

[VG Aficionado]

MGS2SoL works on PAL PS3s... dunno why Substance wouldnt work. But more important to me was MGS3S, as it was borked in update 1.7 (but fixed in 1.8)I think MGS3 Subsistence had some minor glitches in 1.60. I specifically remember Snake's leg having random seizures :shrug: I guess the emulation had more glitches than those as I didn't play it from beginning to end, so that's probably why they decided to leave it out until they polished the emulator a bit more. In 1.80, I didn't see those "seizures" or whatever they were, everything seemed totally all right. 1.81 is said to be a bit better than 1.80 in terms of PS2 BC, by the way.

[section]

^^I'm only wondering why they haven't updated the B/C database on their official site. It still doesn't list various already compatible titles, like various MGS iterations.

[VG Aficionado]

Because there are so many PS2 games... :-p

[VG Aficionado]

MGS4 set in year 2015 confirmed! I guess :-p

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=167209

Also at the back of the mag where the release date for next issue is, there is always a pic in background of what front cover is going to be to do with. This one has Snake and then 1972-2015...

And is it me or... that format looks like tombstone birth-death dates format? :cry2:

[yoshaw]

In-game Campbell scream,

Snakeh, snaaaakeh, snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakeeeeh

cue in

Real life Yoshaw scream,
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :cry2:

[VG Aficionado]

:emo:

[Z]

MGS4 set in year 2015 confirmed! I guess :-p

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=167209



And is it me or... that format looks like tombstone birth-death dates format? :cry2:

shee! just ignore that. you didn't read or see anything! it ain't true if you pretend it isn't. that is a life rule! *shuts ears and eyes and runs like a roadrunner*

[Shadow Voa]

His life is drawing to an end whether we like it or not, or is it? Will he go out valiantly? Perhaps submit to time? Or suicide?

Hell, maybe he will just walk away from this like usual... or maybe not...

*glee*

I cant wait to find out either way, this game will have me on the edge of my seat, it's going to be awesome!!

[Sephiroth_VII]

I doubt he'll commit suicide, since Kojima is trying to make us think he will. I'm ready to bet 100 USD that there will be a totally unexpected twist, and that none of us will be able to guess what happens.

[section]

^^MGS5 confirmed :)

And they can always make a prequel, even if he dies. The movie world opened this endless coffin of often unwanted sequels.

[VG Aficionado]

Interestingly, videogame prequels/sequels don't ruin the original so many times as many movie prequels/sequels do. Oftenly, the changes are for the better.

[section]

^^Agreed. Matrix wasn't supposed to be a trilogy but after the Wachowski brothers understood how well it would sell, with a hefty load of help from the movie studios they made two sequels, which both are quality-wise far from the original.

Original Nightmare on the Elm Street was great, almost none of the sequels weren't. Ocean's 11 was great, 12 wasn't. Dunno about 13.

But MGS3 was better than MGS2. Haven't still played MGS enough to say anything about it.

[VG Aficionado]

Well, The Matrix trilogy quality is a matter of overall perception, IMO. The storyline is actually consistent on all three, as there even are hints in the first one about things that happen in the following ones. However, the first movie was self-contained and satisfactory on itself, while the others have some intentional plot holes that the viewers have to fill for themselves and the Wachowski brothers had a lot of freedom to create their vision as they really wanted it to be like instead of having to take the more commercial approach that the first one was pretty much forced to take. Couple all that with the complex process that movie making is with its problems and imperfect solutions, and the result is bound to disgust many average moviegoers.

Anyway, back on topic... I'm totally sure Snake will die somehow :cry2: Although that doesn't mean he couldn't get back to life somehow as well :-p

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I like the entire matrix trilogy!

[VG Aficionado]

I read in a magazine about 8 years ago that Kojima liked the first one so much that he arranged a meeting with either the Wachowsky brothers or with John Gaeta (The Matrix trilogy VFX supervisor), I can't remember who exactly, well before MGS2 was announced. There's a bullettime-like moment in the Tanker section (when Olga shoots Snake with her special knife + single bullet gun) that I think definately has something to do with that.

[makeitlookreal]

The first Matrix movie was great.
The second one was average.
The last one was awful.

[Z]

I read in a magazine about 8 years ago that Kojima liked the first one so much that he arranged a meeting with either the Wachowsky brothers or with John Gaeta (The Matrix trilogy VFX supervisor), I can't remember who exactly, well before MGS2 was announced. There's a bullettime-like moment in the Tanker section (when Olga shoots Snake with her special knife + single bullet gun) that I think definately has something to do with that.

he did talk to them, but it could be just a chat between creators with nothing serious project wise. as for the Matrix influence in MGS2, as with every single visual media production from milk commercials to movies to cartoons to you name it; every body was doing the martix bullet time slow motion camera swirl- and I loved each and every single one of them.

it was hilarious seeing Scary Movie mocking that one in the first or second movie. lol

[Smokey]

and look at the crap StarWars prequels

[LiquidEagle]

Vg.... you're almost at 10k posts! :-D

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Listening to 'Debriefing' from the MGS3 soundtrack.

;_; ;_; ;_; ;_;

[LiquidEagle]

Listening to 'Debriefing' from the MGS3 soundtrack.

;_; ;_; ;_; ;_;

That's my favorite track. One of the key MGS songs that I have on my PS3 to listen to at any time (among The Best is Yet to Come, Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday, and a remixed Snake Eater)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

dude do you have MGS2' and or MGS1 ost? Because I can't find 'em and I'm not buyin' 'em.