Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots [Archive] - Page 3

Domination

09-24-2005, 01:21 AM

Y'know, that really got me laughing my ass off. It reminded me of the hype of the Emotion Engine for the PS2. Remember that?

I saw the spinning showing-off part as how Sony were marketing the EE to the max. And then the machine fell over... :splitspin

LOL! Well, let's just say I found THAT no different from Nintendo hyping the N64 or Microsoft hyping the Xbox before those two fell over to the inferior platform.;-] But that merely covers the situation we are at now. This time Sony isn't two years behind the other two competitors and Microsoft isn't two years ahead of Sony. So although I can agree that some form of it is most likely hype, it doesn't seem to be just hype (not that I expected much from the EE to begin with) from what we are seeing compared to what was seen when they were facing Sega.;-]

We look at SCE's past track record with launch dates. They aren't good. The PSP for the PAL regions launched 9 months after its launch in Japan.

I doubt that strategy's gonna change anytime soon.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but by your logic, we may as well assume that the PS3 will have two controller ports, too, since that seems to be in the reference of "history" as well.:)

dantruon

09-24-2005, 02:45 AM

i think they are going to launch the ps3 in North America the same time as in Japan maybe 2 months the latest, because everyone know that Xbox best market is in the USA and if Sony let the xbox360 has a long head start there, it wouldnt be to wise of them in an economic sense. Therefore, i can see the PS3 ship to the usa before June 2006.

Black Dragon37

09-24-2005, 03:18 PM

Well, since we heard from PSM that Sony intends the PS3 to be launched worldwide before the end of summer next year, let's keep our fingers crossed.

@Domintion:

I was referring to Sony's launch dates with their consoles. The JAP PS2 launched at late/ early 99/2000 (can't remember the exact date). The PAL version was released at November 2000.

We're talking big launch gaps with Sony's consoles. Here' hoping that the Xbox 360's "simultaneous" launch dates become successful, so that Sony can follow Microsoft's footsteps. :cheers:

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09-24-2005, 03:49 PM

rpgamer_2k5

09-24-2005, 06:23 PM

Y'know, that really got me laughing my ass off. It reminded me of the hype of the Emotion Engine for the PS2. Remember that?

I saw the spinning showing-off part as how Sony were marketing the EE to the max. And then the machine fell over... :splitspin
Yawn. The aim of the EE and GS was to be comparable to a arcade system, while being low cost. The Cell and EE have completely different aims, the Cell is clearly a beast, aimed at the hi-end sectors.

Ken Kutaragi has a white paper available which will give you an idea of what Sony was aiming at, with the PS2. I feel like uploading them. Ah what the heck, I'll upload two of them and keep them up for an hour. :D

Link:
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel3/4017/11535/00520683.pdf?arnumber=520683
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/40/17556/00809374.pdf?arnumber=809374

PS: Both are completely DIFFERENT. Damnit, many need to get that into their head. The Xbox 360 isn't the Xbox, just because it is by Microsoft and is being hyped. :twitch:

Black Dragon37

09-24-2005, 06:56 PM

Hey hey, calm down. I only saw the machine's antics as parodies Kojima-san used about the current generation consoles. Nothing wrong with that...

Domination

09-24-2005, 08:43 PM

Um kinda off topic but, u didn't expect much from the emotion engine, but have u played God of War, Jak 3 or GT 4? 4 mb of vram can do that?? What happens when u add 252 mb more? The PS3 can come out in december 2006 for all i care i'll still get it before i buy a xbox 360. I have like 15 ps2 games to buy this year i'm pretty certai that they can hold me over untill the ps3 comes out.

Oh geez... No. What I'm saying is people were expecting movies. I new that wasn't going to happen based on the PS1 leap alone. I was expecting a leap similiar to the CG in Streer Fight EX: Plus Alpha on the original PlayStation. I found later that that aim wasn't far from the truth. Actually, it was exceeded. Now we are at the PS3. I was expecting Tekken 4 CG based on the other two consoles. It looks to be that it'll be surpassed as well. So as you can see, I didn't expect much, but I did draw a line as to what could be expected if a similiar leap was used.

Saibo

09-24-2005, 10:43 PM

whats up with the trolls in this thread? Maybe i should go onto the Nintendo Now and XBOX360 forums and say, im not impress with this game or that game,etc..but than again that would be trolling.

Simple put if you have nothing good to say, dont say anything. Hence why i havent said anything about GOW, or Revolution.

And yes i hate trolls, not just on gaming site, but 3DCG site.

What im really looking forward to about MGS4, is not the visual(which IMHO, is the best of all next gen console), but the stuff you cant see with the naked eye, which Kojima seem to be focusing on alot in this game. Its the small things that make this game a masterpiece, the wind, the stuff flying around, everything is dynamic not static like 99% of the games, which makes it that much more immersive. Its like the envoriment(spelling?) is alive...something you dont feel in most other next generation games. Its probably the same reason,why i love Shen Mue so much, the dynamic aspect + episodic story telling.

09-25-2005, 12:38 AM

Jasonps3

09-25-2005, 02:38 AM

And just imagine, they ain't using the final beta kits on this game yet. They don't even have the RSX yet.

frosty

09-25-2005, 02:43 AM

Y'know, that really got me laughing my ass off. It reminded me of the hype of the Emotion Engine for the PS2. Remember that?

I saw the spinning showing-off part as how Sony were marketing the EE to the max. And then the machine fell over... :splitspin

I would hardly say a machine that sold 90 million units and handed the xbox and gamecube their asses on a plate "fell over".

OutlawAdidas

09-25-2005, 02:46 AM

I would hardly say a machine that sold 90 million units and handed the xbox and gamecube their asses on a plate "fell over".

Units shipped and units sold are two different things buddy

Goki

09-25-2005, 02:47 AM

frosty

09-25-2005, 02:48 AM

regardless, it still outsold M$ and ninty

Generic Wheaties

09-25-2005, 02:51 AM

Does anyone seriously belive the graphics can get better. Im not talking bout framrate incerease or bit better resolution but actual visual, like more polygons, better textures!!, Kinda hard belivein this is on beta dev kits!! I know they are talented(Kojima team), but dammit, this is almost legendary....

I know! But it'll be bound to happen. I can't believe that launch games are looking that good. I can't imagine what the games towards the end of the PS3 life cycle will look like.

OutlawAdidas

09-25-2005, 02:56 AM

regardless, it still outsold M$ and ninty

and yet, Nintendo with their measely 18.5 million units sold, they still made more of a profit than sony and MS

Fats

09-25-2005, 02:58 AM

People, please ignore OutlawAdidas. Let's keep this thread on topic.

Domination

09-25-2005, 04:09 AM

Units shipped and units sold are two different things buddy

I guess that means they are giving them away for free. :uhh:

Furthermore, the same could easily be said about the Xbox or the Game Cube, making the total different no better than what is being shown now. ;-]

and BTW, make that 91 million.

OutlawAdidas

09-25-2005, 04:15 AM

I guess that means they are giving them away for free. :uhh:

Furthermore, the same could easily be said about the Xbox or the Game Cube, making the total different no better than what is being shown now. ;-]

and BTW, make that 91 million.

No, but units shiiped is just how much they have shipped altogether since the system launch. That doesn't necessarily mean that they have sold every single PS2 model. There could still be some in stores. And yes, it can be said about the GC and Xbox. Shipped doesn't necessarily mean sold

Domination

09-25-2005, 04:27 AM

No, but units shiiped is just how much they have shipped altogether since the system launch. That doesn't necessarily mean that they have sold every single PS2 model. There could still be some in stores. And yes, it can be said about the GC and Xbox. Shipped doesn't necessarily mean sold

Well, now it's at 91 million. You can't seriously think 90 million is still in stores right now, could you? I guess what my point is is that it really doesn't matter since the distance apart/gap, rather that be the units sold or not, will still remain the same at the end of the day unless you were looking to compare something different. :spiral:

frosty

09-25-2005, 05:40 AM

once again, it makes no difference, how much was made, because more people have chosen to purchase ps2 than any other console, there are more gamers playing them, more gamers buying games for them, therefore more developers developing games for it due to it's massive user base, therefore more and better games. don't get me wrong, nintendo makes some great games, but you can only handle so many mario and zelda sequels.

ACE0000

09-25-2005, 05:40 AM

I'd say the shipping and sold are very close, I'd highly doubt there are ever much more then a million in stores at any given time, or else why would they even ship more??

ACE0000

09-25-2005, 05:43 AM

If you mean the companies total profits, obviously there is a difference between Nintendo which sells only consoles and games, not to mention probably makes quite a bit on merchandise, and Sony which is an electronics giant and the game division is only a part of the huge company, and Microsoft a software giant whose game division is even smaller comparative to the rest of the company then Sony's.

Maya 5.0

09-25-2005, 07:14 AM

yup, looks like mgs4 will do for ps3 what mgs2 did for ps2. this looks to be truely a system shifter. and keep in mind this is only the first trailer. wait till more is known about it like all the crazy characters, plot twists, mechanics, design, physics, etc. that the series is known for.

No offence but i wouldnt go that far.Let's just hope a character switch or crazy story does not happen or we might have a mob tear down Konami.

OutlawAdidas

09-25-2005, 07:46 AM

ACE0000

09-25-2005, 07:51 AM

sony makes most of thei profit from their game division.

I know that sony makes a lot of their profits from games, all I'm saying is that the margins are much higher when you specialize then if you are spread out over many different markets, obviously Nintendo's profits are high with such low sales because their costs are low, mostly because they specialize in a certain field only.

also I should mention the Gamecube is probably fairly cheap to produce, since it's small, not the most powerful of the three and doesn't have excess features. Along with the fact that those little discs the Gamecube had are probably cheaper then DVDs to mass produce also.

OutlawAdidas

09-25-2005, 07:53 AM

yea i understand wat you mean. but i'm not factoring their other divisions, only their game division.

ACE0000

09-25-2005, 07:55 AM

yea i understand wat you mean. but i'm not factoring their other divisions, only their game division.

Yes I know what you mean in the game divisions alone Nintendo had a higher profit, I'm just saying it's not really an apples to apples comparison, since the Nintendo company as a whole is really a strictly game company.

and I just like to talk business, since I'm a International Business major at RIT right now, and it's fun.

OutlawAdidas

09-25-2005, 08:02 AM

thats cool. Business is business. I just focus on the games side of business, not the other stuff. I could careless about the other stuff. But hey, every game company has a role in the industry

frosty

09-25-2005, 08:04 AM

sony makes most of thei profit from their game division.

Of course they do, they are the kings of the console market!

also, i do believe that many people weren't really satisfied with MGS2.

SO WHAT! It's just your opinion anyways. You can believe all you want, but if you are going to argue a point, back it with facts, not biased beliefs.

ACE0000

09-25-2005, 08:06 AM

Yeah this is kind of getting a little off topic now, but I actually love the business of video games in particular, it's so competitive and cut-throat lately with tons of marketing hype, etc. etc. It's a very exciting line of business to be involved in I'm sure and I'd like to try it out a little after I graduate, but on that note we should get back to MGS4, there was one thing in particular I was wondering about that video, did anyone besides me notice when the one metal gear thing dropped out of the sky and one of it's legs got stuck, and it like kind of had to pull it out and then kicked a little dirt up, I just have to wonder everytime I watch that wether that was scripted for some reason or it was jut the AI interacting with actual real time physics, if it was indeed unscripted it would be really cool, although I suspect it probably was scripted...

ACE0000

09-25-2005, 08:09 AM

SO WHAT! It's just your opinion anyways. You can believe all you want, but if you are going to argue a point, back it with facts, not biased beliefs.
He does kind of have a point though, a lot of people were slightly dissapointed with MGS 2 some didn't like Raiden, others thought the plot was too convoluted. I personally played it all the way through and enjoyed it, not as much as the original MGS, and also not quite as much as MGS3 but I did enjoy it and the only thing that really dissapointed me was not enough snake, since you can never get enough snake.

OutlawAdidas

09-25-2005, 09:20 AM

Of course they do, they are the kings of the console market!

SO WHAT! It's just your opinion anyways. You can believe all you want, but if you are going to argue a point, back it with facts, not biased beliefs.

don't you mean "King" <--singular, not plural.

Yes it is my opinion, but i know people who share the same opinion.

Angeljuice

09-25-2005, 11:25 AM

sousuke

09-25-2005, 12:42 PM

...I am a serious gamer and don't want to waste time reading about Ninty rubbish.

"serious" and "gamer"... heh, doesn't sound like you play games for fun ;D

Black Dragon37

09-25-2005, 01:19 PM

Seconded.

gibmonster

09-25-2005, 03:24 PM

and yet, Nintendo with their measely 18.5 million units sold, they still made more of a profit than sony and MS

you do realize that there is no correlation between profit and how satisfied people actually are with the consoles right?

and you do realise that profit, retained earnings and cash flow are 3 very separate and different things right?

and have you actually considered that research and development costs money? and that profit does not indicate debt-equity gearing? and that there is a correlation between r&d and the final product?

either way, sony and micro$oft are a better hedged than nintendo. (of course, investors are well advised to do their own hedging rather invest in hedged companies- but sony & M$ attract more cash anyday)

your numbers come from appear to come from game sites. journalists tend to know jack about interpreting financial reports. (yes i study accounting and finance too).

no matter how much more tangible the r&d/engineering/production ends of the value chain may appear, you can't ignore the business side of gaming- all these companies have creditors and investors to appease. business is the reason games ever got this big, genres get played to death, games get released seemingly unfinished, and the reason why nintendo peddles lunchboxes rumored to cost $US20.00 to manufacture.

anyone whos read M$ "analysis" of the PS3, or who has used their products will tell you they have a tendancy to make whatevers convenient then shove it down peoples throats.

nintendo is worse. the difference is:

a) they've actually managed to come up with a "solution" cheaper than using off the shelf parts

b) they're better at coming up with gimmicks that make them look innovative.yeh i'm talking about the controller. its a great novelty, but in the case of the GC most thirds party games were multiplatform- and the GC controller simply was not conducive to the interfaces designed by many developers. they, like M$ and sony shove certain things down developers throats... problem is they don't have as much influence when it comes to pulling it off...

venomv

09-25-2005, 03:31 PM

Nintendo have already had far more forum space than they are worth.
I have never liked the company or the games and never will.

"So the next Ninty will have crap graphics, no HDTV support, a very short predicted lifespan,... but hey, there will be loads of brightly coloured big-eyed characters and a remote that you can shake at the screen (a bit like a babies rattle)." WHAT A REVOLUTION.

I am a serious gamer and don't want to waste time reading about Ninty rubbish.

Brightly colored big-eyed characters, hmm you could say that about alot of japanese games, probably the mojority of them being on PS3 cause they have the most games, so probably the most japanese games with brightly colored big-eyed character.

But about the discussion earlier about profit, I think you if you compared console-console Sony made more. As soon as you factor in handhelds Nintendo wins pretty easy. Its one thing they are really good at and so far no one has been able to touch them in handhelds. PSP might but that remains to be seen.

And I liked MGS2, just not as much as the first one and it took a bit before I got used to Raiden. But it was still a fun game I would just rather have Snake. I havn't bought MGS3 yet but I'll probably love that one too, and the MGS4 trailer looks pretty good.

Angeljuice

09-25-2005, 07:03 PM

"serious" and "gamer"... heh, doesn't sound like you play games for fun ;D

We all like different types of game, and get fun in different ways. The balance of nintendo software tilts HEAVILY towards the Cutesy graphic stuff that I hate.
I have a right to an opinion you know. Just because I'd rather pull teeth than play the latest Mario or Ratchet and Wotsisface, doesn't mean I don't enjoy games.

I can and do own shedloads of A-list titles on Playstation, without going near the genre that I dislike so intensely. I would find this almost impossible to do on a Ninty console.

rpgamer_2k5

09-25-2005, 07:49 PM

Units shipped and units sold are two different things buddy
Huh? Units shipped and units sold are the same, in Sony's perspective. Most retailers that sell PS2s are not owned by Sony; they purchase the PSX, PS2, PSP from Sony, while they sell the consoles to consumers.

The same applies to all firms: Microsoft and Nintendo.

How many consoles are still lying around Walmart? I see many consoles, GC, PS2, PSP, and Xbox. However, why does the demand (ie. retailers purchasing [note: not free] PS2s continue to rise? No retailer would purchase extra PS2s if there is no consumer demand. Infact the PS2s unit price has still remained the same, which only means:

[Consumers] demand for PS2 is high.

Hence:
[Retailers] buy more PS2s to meet the demand of the [consumers].

When retailers purchase the PS2 from sony, they are selling the console to retailers. So Sony is making money even off the idle PS2s, which still happen to be a few; hence BOTH Sony and the retailers have not reduced the price, and usually never have promotions, like the Xbox.

LiquidEagle

09-25-2005, 09:09 PM

Back onto MGS4... :laugh:

This Nintendo stuff isn't worth it, OutlawAdidas isn't worth the time, and MGS is infinitely more important guys! :-D

So can we expect the next trailer to be at E3, or is there an ECTS or something in between?

Chris Metal

09-25-2005, 09:27 PM

Last time I went to ECTS, Sony never had a strong presence, if any. I saw next to nothing. It's pretty much a hardware accessories, graphics or dev tools exhibition. There were some games that were demonstrated but there were mainly, PC and GameCube. Anything else like X-Box was for Developers only when they demonstrated XNA. GDC was going on a couple of days before. The Playstation Experience in the UK I think is the next big thing for Sony.

Goki

09-25-2005, 09:37 PM

Any1 know if ECTS or whaterver it was called, is still on, or was it scrapped!??

Black Dragon37

09-25-2005, 09:38 PM

I have no idea...

Chris Metal

09-26-2005, 12:23 AM

Any1 know if ECTS or whaterver it was called, is still on, or was it scrapped!??

It's on usually every year. taken place around the same time as GDC in UK at same place which is Earls Court in London I believe unless they changed the venue from when I went. Though they wouldn't have to it's certainly large enough. ECTS is in association with GDC the get to go you have to be a member of the media/press or computer trade industry etc. Luckly I work for a multi-format site currently in production so have access to press office and such and as signed member I was granted access. infact I should really see if ECTS was on and has passed this year...

EDIT: Infact I do remember Sony having somewhat of a presence, but I believe it was at the GDC going on at the same time in a different part of the building. There was a talk on programming for the PSP etc... and I missed it, I was pissed off.

Jasonps3

09-29-2005, 01:13 AM

Here'e part of Hideo Kojima's Blog on the Japanese Website explained and translated by 1up.com

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3144171

FerrianX

09-30-2005, 07:23 PM

Revolver Ocelot Returns for MGS4 (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/654/654973p1.html)

Not sure if this has been already been mentioned but here it is, for all you Ocelot fans.

LiquidEagle

09-30-2005, 08:26 PM

I wish I wish I wish that blog would be translated into English!

I'm pretty sure everybody knew Ocelot was going to return for MGS4, he was in the character art that listed the characters in the E3 press materials (which I have on my headboard, right behind me, and I love and adore it), and whether or not it had been outright said he'd be in it, I assumed he was gonna be in it since he's integral to finishing up MGS2's story. I need to kill that SOB, and quick!

delta110

10-01-2005, 01:45 AM

"I wish I wish I wish that blog would be translated into English!"

http://www.metalgearsolid.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=72501

Black Dragon37

10-05-2005, 04:38 PM

New info on MGS4 (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/654/654973p1.html) is out...

Jasonps3

10-05-2005, 05:18 PM

Ferrianx already posted it.

Black Dragon37

10-05-2005, 05:37 PM

And so he had. Argh! :laugh:

Red_Eyes

10-20-2005, 02:37 AM

"Hideo Kojima attends secret warfare exercises for MGS 4 so you don't have to.

You want proof? Well check out the evidence of this montage of pictures from Kojima's very own Hideo blog, which show him attending a top secret training camp designed to give him and his team a taste of the real-life jungle and urban warfare which is set to feature in Metal Gear Solid which is careering onto PS3.

Apparently Kojima and his team delved deep into Japan's Tochigi prefecture, which lies in the Kanto region and trained up in survival and warfare exercises to give them a hands-on appreciation of what it must be like to the Snake. Apparently they were at it all night, doing all kinds of special forces related malarkey including advanced weapons training."

Source: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php(que)id=127654

xbdestroya

10-20-2005, 03:02 AM

Kojima - you rock so much my man, so so much. Now that's research for your game!

VG Aficionado

10-20-2005, 03:03 AM

MGS4 will be seriously good. I already expect it to be, just like all MGS titles, but each time there's news about it, it seems even more obvious. Another masterpiece is being made. Still, what I'm most looking forward to is for the conclusion(?) of some storylines, even though I'll enjoy all of its features.

Jungle and urban scenarios, huh? Sounds like a confirmation for several war zones, even though Kojima himself already stated there would be several ones. I predict there will be 5 different war zones to sneak in.

Danji

10-20-2005, 03:34 AM

Kojima team! Rock rock on!
http://www.geocities.com/danjiegret/051018_06.jpg

Buy all our games and toys!

That joke took an incredible amount of work, kojima really didn't want people to host those images elsewhere, huh?

Zak

10-20-2005, 03:42 AM

nice MGS4 is gonna be so schweet.

O.D.S

10-20-2005, 05:45 AM

MGS4 is going to kick so much ass!

Heres the links to the images:
http://www.blog.konami.jp/gs/hideoblog/2005/10/000154.html
http://www.blog.konami.jp/gs/hideoblog/2005/10/000148.html#more

heres a question some guy posted towards the bottom of the page:
MGS4をXBOX 360にも出してください。

VG Aficionado

10-21-2005, 09:40 PM

Behold! Here is the English version of Kojima's Blog!

Here, here! (http://www.blog.konami.jp/gs/hideoblog_e/)

Too bad it's not up to date... yet. Anyway, here's a notice from the translation group in charge of Kojima's blog:

Link: Notice (http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/deltahead/KojimaBlog.html)

O.D.S

10-22-2005, 05:47 AM

anybody else having problems viewing the site?

warmachine

10-22-2005, 12:06 PM

Isn't the facility on the pictures the same as the one from the movie Battle Royal?

The blog rocks and so will this game! ;)

O.D.S

10-22-2005, 04:16 PM

No its cool, it seems it fixed itself,

Haris

10-23-2005, 04:53 PM

4 is gonna be so sick. Too bad I haven't played 3 yet because it's only on PS2.

Anyone think MGS3 Subsistence is gonna come out on Xbox, like MGS2 Substance did?

Black Dragon37

10-23-2005, 05:12 PM

MGS3 Subsistence is coming out on Xbox as well as PS2.

Illmatic

10-23-2005, 05:52 PM

MGS3 Subsistence is coming out on Xbox as well as PS2.

Are you sure? I've only seen it listed as a PS2 title. :shrug:

VG Aficionado

10-23-2005, 06:05 PM

MGS3 Subsistence is coming out on Xbox as well as PS2.There were rumours about Xbox and PC versions, but that will never happen. MGS3:Subsistence is PS2 exclusive and will remain that way.

Never expect a Metal Gear title on platforms other than Playstation family from now on.

O.D.S

10-23-2005, 06:06 PM

Yeah as far as i know its only a PS2 title for now

Black Dragon37

10-24-2005, 12:35 AM

I stand corrected, then. :)

VG Aficionado

10-24-2005, 06:11 PM

Metal Gear Solid 4 Trailer Coming Home
Konami to include trailer with limited version of Subsistence.
by Anoop Gantayat

October 24, 2005 - Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence already has enough bonus content to ensure purchase by even those who cleared MGS3 when it saw release last year. But Konami and Kojima Productions have decided to add a bit more insurance, in the form of a trailer for a certain Metal Gear Solid 4.

A pamphlet handed out at the PlayStation-sponsored Akihabara Entertainment Festival in Tokyo (we've scanned the pamphlet... see below) reveals that the Japanese version of Subsistence will include a video of Metal Gear Solid 4. The pamphlet doesn't make clear if the included video will be the Tokyo Game Show trailer or something new, but seeing as how a high resolution version of the trailer has yet to make its way onto the internet, the former seems likely.

The trailer will be included on the third disk in the Subsistence package, known as "Existence." This disk, which also includes a three and a half hour edit of MGS3's cinematic scenes for those who are too weak-sauce to work through the full game in order to experience the storyline, is only included in the first run of the game and in the special head set bundle, so those wanting to make sure they get a glimpse at MGS4 will want to pick up one of these two versions. Subsistence is set for Japanese release on 12/22 of this year.

There's no word yet on the possibility of this awesome bonus being included with the US version of Subsistence, which isn't scheduled for release until the first quarter of 2006. We'll let you know once Konami starts talking.Link: IGN (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/660/660905p1.html)

I already planned to get Subsistence and now I just can't miss the first edition, which will be the only one that will feature the third bonus disk - I hope it will be available for territories other than Japan. I still haven't seen a single flawless MGS4 trailer, so this DVD quality one will be mine. Who knows when we will be able to watch a true HD version.

O.D.S

10-24-2005, 08:19 PM

Oh man this is great news!, its just that im not sure Konami will look after us over here in Australia. I really do hope we also get the "whole package"...and maybe something a little extra on the side? heh?...c'mon Kojima!!

LaLiLuLeLo

10-26-2005, 08:09 AM

There were rumours about Xbox and PC versions, but that will never happen. MGS3:Subsistence is PS2 exclusive and will remain that way.

Never expect a Metal Gear title on platforms other than Playstation family from now on.

the game is just too tightly built around the ps2 architecture (which is painfully unique), even more so than mgs2. And the xbox and pc ports of mgs2 had wicked slowdown. They pushed ps2 even farther with 3, I don't see it happening really. They would have said so by now, when they first announced substance they showed all the consoles it was releasing on.

10-26-2005, 11:34 PM

I really don't care if other systems get a certain game as long as I have a PS2 version to play. ;)
anywho, I did expect a trailer to be available on Ac!d2. turned out to be for Subsistence. well, it's all good.

nesman

10-26-2005, 11:48 PM

I really wish I had a PS2

10-27-2005, 08:51 PM

I wonder when will we see a new trailer. since Subsistance will most likely have the current one, I don't think we can expect a high quality version of it to be downloadable from Konami or provided to major gaming sites.

maybe in two months or so we will be giving another trailer?

The_One

10-27-2005, 09:38 PM

Who knows... Perhaps we'll get a new trailer in the February Sony "surprise" party thingy majigy.

Well, all I know is that I'm pre-ordering MGS:Subsistence once the release date for the US is confirmed :D.

Jasonps3

10-29-2005, 08:15 PM

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/vids_1.html

HI RES DIRECT FEED TRAILER!!!

VG Aficionado

10-29-2005, 09:26 PM

Too bad that even the insider 160 MB version only runs at 30 FPS unlike the original, which did at 60 FPS. Besides, sound is too weak and picture quality, although it is very clear, it is not the sharpest one I've seen around. Can't wait for the DVD version in MGS3: Subsistence before a true HD version appears.

The_One

10-29-2005, 11:49 PM

The high res version is for insider only at IGN... *sigh*

O.D.S

10-30-2005, 04:22 AM

well who has a membership at IGN?....could you get the trailer and upload it?

Jasonps3

10-30-2005, 05:40 AM

I'm not sure if this will work but it's a try:

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/vid_1297568.html?mu=http%3A%2F%2Fxfersf04.ign.com% 2F%5E1691548954%2Fmovies%2Fstreamingmovies.ign.com %2Fdocroot%2Fps3%2Farticle%2F662%2F662646%2Fmgs4_1 03005_wmvhighwide.wmv%3Fposition%3Dfront

O.D.S

10-30-2005, 06:06 AM

Nah it doesnt work dude, but thanks for trying.

If someone else has the high res version video...upload it to a free host. Thanks!
(cant wait till substance is released in Australia

Jasonps3

10-30-2005, 06:11 AM

Rats!! Oh well.

Applefiend

10-31-2005, 06:25 AM

They've definitely cleaned up that demo since TGS, the one I saw at TGS was much rawer.

Which means it's getting even better, good oh.

Danji

10-31-2005, 08:06 AM

someone give me a way to upload soon and I will.

O.D.S

10-31-2005, 08:23 AM

Well use either one of these sites:

http://rapidshare.de
http://www.yousendit.com
http://www.megaupload.com

need other hosts?. BTW thanks for doing this!

Danji

10-31-2005, 06:56 PM

two of those are sending sites, the other one (the sharing site) doesn't work at all.

NeoPlayStation

10-31-2005, 08:24 PM

MGS4 720p Direct Feed (361.36 MB) (http://www.gamesmediamirror.com/leech_1894_1_en.html)

:)

Maya 5.0

10-31-2005, 09:11 PM

Sweet find Neo.There seems to be a moderat amount of seeders so that is good.

NeoPlayStation

10-31-2005, 09:18 PM

Thanks, Maya. The bitrate is huge: +6Mbits/seg. But the movieclip is fantastic!

Maya 5.0

10-31-2005, 10:08 PM

Just finished getting it 5 minutes ago and not only does it look good but the audio sounds awesome and i have crappy logitech headphones.I can only imaging how they will sound on grado's.

VG Aficionado

10-31-2005, 11:26 PM

Excellent quality version, the best one I've seen so far until we get the DVD version or the real original HD 720p version. However:

Major defect: 30FPS instead of 60FPS.
Minor defect: the presence of a logo.

Still, probably the most enjoyable version to date.

raVen

11-01-2005, 01:12 AM

was this the trailer shown at the recent event if so it looks likes its been tweaked... snakes hair isnt at as grey as it use to be, or is that just me? :dur:

Applefiend

11-01-2005, 02:47 AM

Definately tweaked since TGS. The TGS version had poorer textures. That's why they had all those guys with "No Photos/Cameras" signs walking around.

Gettin' better and better...

O.D.S

11-01-2005, 05:39 AM

OH YEAH, thanks neo!

Danji

11-01-2005, 05:58 AM

Just to re-post on the new page the link here it is.

Bittorrent required. Azureus recommended. (http://www.gamesmediamirror.com/leech_1894_1_en.html)

Everyone +rep Neoplaystation for that.

VG Aficionado

11-01-2005, 02:05 PM

You know, with this latest video, I've been able to see some little details like those notices in white letters all over Snake's suit. We all had already seen that "SOLID EYE SYSTEM" notice, but now I'm able to see more of them.

Take a look at Snake's shoulder at 2:24; I can read "... DESIGNATED(?) LOCK(?) TO REMOVE FASTENER". You can also read that "TO LET THE WORLD BE" symbol very clearly.

At 2:34; you can read: "POWER LINE... AVOID APPLY..." right below something that looks like a power jack on his right hand.

At 4:20; am I reading "HI-POWER ASSIST LOAD (...) PROTECTOR (serial number)"?

At 4:31 I can read the same hand notice which says "POWER LINES BELOW - AVOID APPLYING PRESSURE".

At 4:38, I read over Metal Gear Gekkou's leg: "CAUTION... LEG JETTISON... AND OPEN DOOR(?)... EXPLOSIVE(!)...".

At 4:42, I read "WARNING: KEEP CAMERA WINDOW CLEAR(N?)" over the Metal Gear Gekkou intelligent camera.

At 4:45, you may read some code generated by MGG which can also be read in an official screenshot.

At 6:28, you can read "Compact OLED HD Monitor" at the left of Metal Gear Mk. II's screen. I read "FLIP..." on the right.

At 7:58, I read "ELBOW PROTECTOR SHOCK PLATE(?) HERE(?)".

I'm sure there are so many other details that can be spotted now that we're able to see these details, surely more eyes paying attention will find more things than I have in a little while. Maybe some of you are able to read what's on those papers flying off the ground? Or spot more notices over Metal Gear Mk. II and on Otacon's monitor?

Now seeing that those Metal Gear Gekkou biomechanical legs are similar to Snake's suit, even though I already had a suspicion on this, I'm quite sure Snake's suit will be biomechanical too and will assist him due to his weaker physical condition and might need a charge from time to time. Will it also have mimesis possibilities? I also foresee a moment throughout the game in which Snake will be forced to get rid of his suit and rely just on his own old body.

And there are many other things that are more noticeable in this version, such as those symbols in the background when these "FPS: Forget Pre-rendered Stuff" messages appear, which are the same ones as in the E3 press kit (which actually mean something about the setting). I could go on forever saying things such as that MSX sound easter egg and so on. This (teaser) trailer is just too good to be watched only once without paying full attention to it or to walk away after watching it thinking it's just about eye candy and has no depth at all.

Now I realise that we'll all need an HDTV set to truly appreciate the next generation games and all their details. Oh boy, do I look like a detail freak or what?

O.D.S

11-01-2005, 02:23 PM

WOW VG Aficionado, thats quite a post!

Yeah about the suit...In every MGS the main character was caught and forced to escape so i can forcee another scenarion like this...without the suit!

I always admire Kojimas work...with all the easter eggs and clues that he puts into everything. Cant wait for more about this game.!

Handycrap101

11-02-2005, 12:13 AM

Did you notice on his chest his has that symbol and underneath is it has *educated guess* Philanthropys new slogan.

Illmatic

11-02-2005, 02:07 AM

Sorry to drop the bomb but, i took alot of screen captures :smoke:

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If it's too many mods, just let me know and i'll just post the links.

EDIT:

Changed to thumbnails

VG Aficionado

11-02-2005, 02:59 AM

In the first "FPS" scene, when Snake CQCes the soldier, you can observe the soldier's eyes respond and move accordingly to the natural reaction you would expect in that situation. He closes his eyes when he's blinded by the sun flare (great HDR moment), then he opens them, looks at Snake's hand, and then the eyes focus towards Snake while he tries to hit him and shoot him. That was so great, even when I've already seen great eye animation in PS2 games.

archash

11-02-2005, 06:24 AM

this trailer rocks! BIG TIME!

About the opening FPS scene : i initially thought that Kojima was try to take a stab at HALO, but then yeah, i think he is trying to mimic Killzone for those non-believers out there.

O.D.S

11-02-2005, 06:51 AM

This is amazing stuff!..MGS4 is going to be awesome

Thats some nice screenshots Vejita..only to the people with 56k or less, could you host those images with imagevenue? (just so this thread doesnt slow down too much. thanks dude!
LINK to imagevenue: http://www.imagevenue.com

TEEDA

11-02-2005, 03:23 PM

has anoyone noticed this : " let the world be "

http://x11.putfile.com/11/30508220762.jpg

VG Aficionado

11-02-2005, 03:28 PM

has anoyone noticed this :

http://x11.putfile.com/11/30508220762.jpgLike I said before:

Take a look at Snake's shoulder at 2:24; I can read "... DESIGNATED(?) LOCK(?) TO REMOVE FASTENER". You can also read that "TO LET THE WORLD BE" symbol very clearly.You can see that left shoulder notice a few frames before that screenshot you posted.

Red_Eyes

11-02-2005, 06:49 PM

I just downloaded it, and I was disappointed...

Disappointed that my computer is too slow to play it at a reasonable speed.

But this is all I had to say about MSG4's HD Trialer: HOLY SHIT!!!

dantruon

11-03-2005, 01:43 AM

I just downloaded it, and I was disappointed...

Disappointed that my computer is too slow to play it at a reasonable speed.

But this is all I had to say about MSG4's HD Trialer: HOLY SHIT!!!

well you can use software such as tmpegenc to converted the HD trailer to a dvd quality mpeg and you can view it with no hassle on the cpu.

11-03-2005, 05:53 AM

in Snake's face after he hits the dirt when the wall explodes. he stands up with a mark on the side of his face. it may be dirt from the ground, but I noticed a symetric lines ala Z.O.E's and Metal Gear Ray's lines on the armor's surface. am I seing things or is it true?

Illmatic

11-03-2005, 10:53 AM

I thought those biped tank things were being dropped by some type of aricraft or helicopter, but they're actually jumping from the back of the squad to the front. Did most notice this or am i just a bit late to the party?

How the hell are you supposed to get away from them if you get spotted, they look pretty mobile so i'd say they can run pretty fast, they'd have alot of weaponry and they can jump to huge heights and lengths, and if there really is going to be fully destructible enviroments then you'd be pretty much screwed. Don't get spotted!!

11-03-2005, 08:32 PM

and just wait until you see the real Metal Gear! these are only the small fry!

archash

11-04-2005, 03:36 AM

just a thought:

if that really is solid snake in the trailer(i initially thought it to be big boss, but because of the eye patch thing i think i made a wrong guess) he really is aging really fast. not to spoil anything for us hardcore mgs fans, but i can't imagine what MGS5 would be like(i know....waaaaaay ahead of the future, MGS4 isn't even up to 10% yet) with a really old snake. i'm not in a position to blab here really, but i just can't help but wonder...

anways, i'm sure kojima-san will come up with another brilliant storyline to explain everything just like he always does:cheers:

11-04-2005, 03:53 AM

archash

11-04-2005, 04:11 AM

don't take things too seriously. they can come up with anything. also, Snake can still be this old in future games. games are creative art. they don't have to follow logic. take for example the discussion of why in MGS4 you can use enemy weapons but you couldn't in MGS3. people here went to far with it, but in reality it is very simple and basic: MGS3's gameplay doesn't allow you to use enemy weapons. and since you can collect dogtags, one may question why this is (the Uncanny Vallie play's a role here). so they added to the game a simple reason; finger print recognition on weapons.
now in MGS4, gameplay and mechanics evolved and now you can use enemy weapons. it is as simple as that. by the way, that goes for the use f a knife in 3 & 4 but not 2.

everyday logic doesn't have to imply to gaming. in fact, it may even spoil the game :)
i know what you mean, i'm just banking on the fact that in kojima's interview(can't seem to find the link), he does state that he's not making a game for kids and he's in his 40's or something like that. the thought also crossed my mind that he might be the same age as he is on MGS4, or they might do an-MGS3 move on MGS5 and set the game when snake was younger(maybe between 2&3)

thanks for your thoughts, i just hate to see snake grow so old so fast like that:-(

raVen

11-04-2005, 05:02 AM

well MGS5 will either be about Raiden or some new character I this game, although it'll be about Snake will show a tighter more mature Raiden you'll want to play as.

archash

11-04-2005, 05:10 AM

well MGS5 will either be about Raiden or some new character I this game, although it'll be about Snake will show a tighter more mature Raiden you'll want to play as.

i'm really hoping for a major Raiden comeback (raiden-haters out there don't flame me!:-X ), maybe not as a main character, but something in the lines of megaman+zero tagteam action with snake. i do hope they incorporate that in MGS4, with all the 'hints' of multiple playable characters that is

Red_Eyes

11-04-2005, 05:19 AM

Kojima did stated that in MGS4, Raiden will be very cool this time around.

Nerve-Damage

11-04-2005, 05:58 AM

A new video for MGS4 at the end of the year?
(http://www.ps3-live.com/news-ps3/une-nouvelle-video-pour-mgs4-en-fin-d-annee.html)

Translated:
At the time of Akihabara Entertenement Festival, Kojima announced that Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence would be accompanied by a video of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Patriots, without specifying if this video would be that already shown, the case seemed obvious.

However Konami A put, récement, to it video high resolution, of that seen in Tokyo game show, has provision of public, the blows this same video in the next MGS3 would not cause great excitation.

Will Kojima make us the pleasure of new a video?

archash

11-04-2005, 06:43 AM

A new video for MGS4 at the end of the year?
(http://www.ps3-live.com/news-ps3/une-nouvelle-video-pour-mgs4-en-fin-d-annee.html)

Translated:

i sure hope it will include some of the other MGS characters(if it pushes through that is)

Hal Obayashi

11-04-2005, 07:10 AM

I think the true beauty with Metal Gear Solid 4 is how much the developers have to build upon. I mean, you have the story with Raiden and Rose, Otacon and his sister, Snake and 'destiny,' the eradication of the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo, the abduction of Olga's child.... the possibilities are endless.

Danji Ikari shed some light as to the meaning behind this perplexing title, and it is this: Near closing, the Colonel (JFK) expends a lot of energy explaining to Raiden how people are just weapons. He says weapons don't deserve to think for themselves. "The people in this war are weapons," thus GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS spawns. A great connection I think only he would spot.

So it seems Snake dies; it seems the world goes to shit; and, of course, it seems Kojima is leaving this to his younger staff. Worry not, this last title includes the genius obsessed with western culture, and we will finally get some insight on those unanswered and still lingering questions.

I am frankly excited for this the fourth title, and an actual sequel. It'll be a tough duty to continue a classic like Sons of Liberty, and I am sure Raiden, or Jack the Ripper, will make a cameo in one way or another.

Jasonps3

11-04-2005, 02:34 PM

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=8346&type=wmv

HD Trailer!

VG Aficionado

11-04-2005, 03:28 PM

Gametrailers' not-really-HD versions are not recommended vs the 1280x720 version posted earlier in this thread. They have half the bitrate, half the resolution and VERY poor encoding on top of that. They also run at 30FPS unlike the original trailer which runs at 60FPS, not to mention their frame rate is not even consistent.

VG Aficionado

11-04-2005, 07:14 PM

I wonder if any of you has spotted this one (click to enlarge):

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I think I don't need any words to explain this ;-)

O.D.S

11-04-2005, 07:20 PM

lol great spotting VG Aficionado.

11-04-2005, 10:48 PM

Hal Obayashi

11-05-2005, 01:46 AM

Kojima's comment about how we will like Riden was a sarcasm note to the hillarious E3 trailer. even when Rose tells her lesbian sister that maybe she'll find a chance in MTG5 is also a comidic jesture. I doubt we will ever see Riden again due to both the outrage response to her and Kojima himself making fun of her on numerous occasions.

another thing is why the hell bring that dope shit again when you can simply create a new kick-ass like any of the MGS villian cast?

as for the included demo: I say it will be the same one but with added details and effects. there may possibly be short clips added like from different angles and what not, but I don't expect anything major. I hope I am wrong. I can't wait for two particular hell-raisers: Vamp and Shalashaska!Z--perhaps we would receive a change of roles, where we'd be cast in the story of one of those villains? I think such a title would be awesome; the person I'd love to play as would have to be Ocelot. Besides him, I wouldn't pick Vamp, but Fat Man, whom was portrayed as a pawn of the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo, and maybe even Olga with all the twists regarding her in the story. Imagine leading the Sons of Liberty mercs!!

I believe the possibilities are nearly endless for this title--so many directions are available, but only one, probably the best one, will be chosen.

11-05-2005, 02:19 AM

Amen.

Red_Eyes

11-05-2005, 07:22 AM

Danji

11-05-2005, 08:57 AM

Hope he's careful with that sword.

I've been holding that joke in for months. :)

Maya 5.0

11-05-2005, 09:44 AM

Or we can go back in time again and have a Bigboss,Greyfox and Solidsnake all in one game.I drool just thinking about it :).

O.D.S

11-05-2005, 10:19 AM

^ Maybe after Kojima finally decides to call it quits on the MGS series (although i personally dont want him to) will we see something along those lines, (almost a MGS3 type of game to fill in the gaps).

CrumCon

11-05-2005, 11:41 AM

Well, people were shocked when they see MGS2: Sons Of Liberty few years ago, and now compare it to MGS3: Snake eater..

I just cant imagine sequel to Guns Of Patiots

O.D.S

11-05-2005, 01:25 PM

Hideo Kojimas web blog has been updated.

Although its only updated one day (September 30th) so far, its still a good read.
Check it out here: http://www.blog.konami.jp/gs/hideoblog_e/

raVen

11-05-2005, 04:30 PM

Quote me on this.

Raiden will be the main character of MGS5 and Hideo Kojima will have very little if anything to do with the game.

CrumCon

11-05-2005, 05:17 PM

After the fifth installment, they should rest the serie in peace before it went down in quality ;) , cause without Kojima im pretty sure MGS serie wont end well.

So after the 5th, let it die and so it would remain as one of the finest video game serie of all time.

VG Aficionado

11-05-2005, 05:55 PM

Hideo himself said that if there was a demand for more Metal Gear, he would produce them, although he most probably won't direct, write or design them anymore. They won't necessarily be bad games, but they won't be Hideo Kojima games and us fans will very probably be disappointed because of our expectations.

If Raiden gets more popular worldwide after MGS4, I wouldn't mind seeing a Metal Gear Raiden (tentative title). Anyway, I never thought he was a bad character in the first place... his voice actor is the one to blame for the criticism, IMO. And once I watched interviews with Kojima where he reveals his intention with Raiden and his meaning in MGS2, I got to love him... er, like him a lot... errr, think he was cool in his own way.

Anyway, I really hope there won't be any more Metal Gear Solid games without Hideo Kojima' script, direction and design. Let the MGS saga remain great forever.

11-05-2005, 10:15 PM

Well, if you take a look at the character designs and posters for MGS4, you'll see someone that look like Raiden, holding a baby and a sword.
and you just had to ruin it for me, huh? lol
yep, I now painfully remeber that she was pictured holding a kid. she got pregnant and had a kid, wippy! -not...
who well bet with me that that child is Olga's? but wait a minute. by the time of MGS4 (X years after) the kid is simply too young to be Olga's. hmm...

Hope he's careful with that sword.

I've been holding that joke in for months. lol
I hope she falls and stab her self through the stomic. now that would be hillarious. I can dream can't I?
Or we can go back in time again and have a Bigboss,Greyfox and Solidsnake all in one game.I drool just thinking about it .[QUOTE]
that was my hope for MGS3. I was really looking forward to Big Boss to fight Grey Fox. before I knew it took time that early, I hoped for Snake to take on both Grey Fox and Big Boss. but there is still hope: MGS3: Subsistance will feature- and for the very first time- an English version of the original MSX first Metal Gear Solid game (who said Box was MS's first console? ;) ) and its FamCom sequel (which Kojima had nothing to do with). as snake, you will face off the cell group Darck Chamber, and also take on Grey Fox and Big Boss as the final fight. I am looking forward to knowing more about the story of that time since the gameplay doesn't look to be that good.
[QUOTE]I just cant imagine sequel to Guns Of Patiots
Kojima said this will be the end of the triology (that being 1,2 & 4).
they can do whatever they like from there.
I never thought he was a bad character in the first place... his voice actor is the one to blame for the criticism, IMO.
nope. it was them humiliating her in the game. she was nieve (spelling), a rooky, dumb, stripped naked (really, how low can you get?) and nobody even noticed her. heck, even Ocelot said she was a guinepig for finishing up the simulation. "was the other dumb chick on the codec real or not?" give me a freakin' break! she doesn't even know if here lover is real or not? excuse me, I gotta go throw up now.
to repeat, even Kojima is making fun of him since that monkey appeared. how can he mock it so much only to make it the hero in future installments?don't forget E3's mocking as well.

about Kojima designing: he didn't design shmut. it was all the great work of Shinkawa. they guy did everything you see in all Metal Gears AND ZOEs! now that's freaking talent! of course, Kojima could make suggestions and give samples, but it is Shinkawa's word that is final.

about Kojim leaving: MGS is one of Konami's biggest franchises. you think they will ruin it? I don't know about you, but I am very confident in the entire Kojima Production team to deliver. also, who could rigth the story. maybe help in directing.
I am not worried the least about this great franchise to keep on kicking. they could have added few new things to MGS2 and called it 3, but now, they go all crazy like with it. they could have improved on 2&3 and called it 4, but no, they go all out with it- again. it would be imposible for such amazing advancements to suddenly fail. we will see the series slowing down for a couple of chapters before we can start worring. this series along with very few others (like FF) are some of the rare franchises that keep on leap froggin in every installment. that is why Konami is one of my favorite game companys.

VG Aficionado

11-05-2005, 11:20 PM

about Kojima designing: he didn't design shmut. it was all the great work of Shinkawa. they guy did everything you see in all Metal Gears AND ZOEs! now that's freaking talent! of course, Kojima could make suggestions and give samples, but it is Shinkawa's word that is final.

Metal Gear Solid 4 credits (http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/english/mgs4_04.html)

First sentence in credits: "Game Designed by HIDEO KOJIMA"

I of course know that MGS character designer is Yoji Shinkawa. I was talking about Metal Gear titles designed by Hideo Kojima.

Hideo Kojima put his heart in Raiden's character for MGS2. He always was aware of Raiden's effeminate look, since he wanted a really good looking young man as the main character, and Shinkawa decided to make him look that way (those eyebrows and hair...). Kojima jokes about Raiden in MGS3 and later not because he despises him, but because it is a healthy therapy for him to accept the criticism. However, he even laughs at Raiden in MGS2 itself: when doubtful President Johnson grabs his groin, when Iroquois Pliskin (AKA SS) and Peter Stillman thought "Raiden" was an odd name, when he got pee all over himself ... he was really destined to take the piss out of himself! (Pun intended)

I'm quite sure one of the reasons why Kojima wanted to leave the MGS series after MGS2 was because so many people hated Raiden - and honestly, most people hated Raiden not because he looked effeminate, but because players couldn't be the charismatic Solid Snake most of the time. Surely Kojima got depressed after MGS2 was released, despite of selling millions.

And, you know, someone's got to do Solid Snake's job when he's not around. And guess (or remember) who got the codename of Snake before getting it changed to Raiden.

Saibo

11-05-2005, 11:39 PM

MGS4, it will heavy base on psychological warfare, at least base on the description Kojima gives at his site. I never really understood that aspect, but after reading more of it..im more excited by MGS4 more than ever. It opens up alot of possiblities for the game, gameplay and ending.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_warfare

VG Aficionado

11-05-2005, 11:51 PM

Good one, Saibo. And yes, that is one of many reasons why MGS4 is going to be so great and still be an awesome game even after the 3 previous truly great MGS titles. By the way, I had already read that article about psychological warfare, and I thought there was something funny about it.

The rise of Microsoft based on its control of operating system technology for most personal computers in the 1980s and 1990s proved that control of the most basic information elements of a system could yield a great deal of power to interfere with competitors and rivals. The term ontological warfare came into use to describe, for instance, Microsoft's methods of modifying APIs to ensure that competitors could not ever fully exploit the operating system itself. Doubt that competitors could do so caused a great many companies not to be funded or invest in competing efforts, according to a United States Federal Court finding of fact against the company.No commentaries on this.

Hal Obayashi

11-06-2005, 01:53 AM

Just to reassure some of you of continued excellence in the Metal Gear Solid series, Hideo Kojima admitted to having little if nothing to do with the third; he supervised AC!D and he will probably do the same for the fourth home console installment.

This will not, however, drop the quality nor affect the caliber of the series nor make it less playable, less lovable, and less of a thrill. What happened to Dragon Ball when Akira Toriyama left the stage will not happen to MGS, and I am sure of this because Kojima is.

As for what does happen in later installments, yes, Kojima won't have anything to do with it, but he's got a team of super-talented and prominent entities whom will not rest until they deliver upon Kojima's promise. Kojima Studios, don't circumvent an allegiant follower; don't disappoint a community of gamers like this one, but most importantly, do what you must to outfit us with the best game possible.

GTShotoKen

11-06-2005, 05:36 AM

With this new Metal Gear, I've been wondering if there will be a new "Ninja" and if the suit will have any upgrades this time around.

I just get a tingling sensation seening the characters in ninja armor deflecting hundreds of bullets with there swords.

When will our beloved snake get ahold of one of these suits and run wild?

11-06-2005, 05:53 AM

sorry, but saying Kojima or any other dev would leave a successful franchise because one character wasn't accepted is silly. Kojima 'has' to ease up since he took charge of the entire games of 1 & 2. that is demanding. that is why he keeps saying it is the last games since 2. he works long hours and his social life is suffering. he brought this to himself really. he could focus on some things like storytelling, and let others help him out. there is no reason for not supervising and act as a consultor, but why carry all the load alone?
in any case, you will keep seeing Kojima's name for a long time in the MGS series. Konami could just ask him one question, then boom; his name appears in the credits. the Kojima name has some weight in it. heck, a whole division of Konami is called Kojima Productions. the man deserves it all for the dedication and effort he put in his games.

And guess (or remember) who got the codename of Snake before getting it changed to Raiden.
that means nothing. he was used to simulate a training program identicle to MGS1's experience (Shadow Moses?). it would have been expected to be called Snake. like the famous gamer Shakespeare said: "Riden by any other name would smell just as rotten".

and to finish off any more doubt that anything was good about the pathetic monkey, is there anymore humiliation after what was done to him in MGS3? remebers that physco Vorg's play object? (I am trying to avoid extremely offensive words as much as possible). Konami could have made a new character to play that role, why pick Riden in particualr?
oh, God I hate to even talk about that...breath damn it, keep on breathing...
First sentence in credits: "Game Designed by HIDEO KOJIMA"
I may not have made my point clear. sure poor Kojima took on the mother load, but I was refering in particular to character and mecha design, and that goes for the ZOE games as well. Kojima even said that he sometimes gave suggestions about some characters. sometimes some of his ideas would be used, and sometimes he would be totally ignored. he was saying that in a laughing matter, but the principle still stands.
with all regret, back to the Riden comment; in design he was perfectly good. nothing wrong. he had the moves (twist jump, raising from a hang, and minor others) he had the cool suit, under water breather, the works. he had the looks (Japs like beautiful young men- the perverts!). what killed him, even worse; humiliated him silly, was all that happened in the game and after words (Kojima's comments, E3, MGS3, feedback, mock ups from every official source, etc.).

Danji

11-06-2005, 12:07 PM

Just to reassure some of you of continued excellence in the Metal Gear Solid series, Hideo Kojima admitted to having little if nothing to do with the third
I explicitly recall him talking about doing character design with Yoji Shinkawa for the characters in MGS3 and also doing the way they died because it was a tribute to an old show in Japan. Also he talked about the Radio (healing & hurting) idea..

In any case, my point is that he had a lot to do about MGS3.

VG Aficionado

11-06-2005, 12:55 PM

sorry, but saying Kojima or any other dev would leave a successful franchise because one character wasn't accepted is silly.I didn't say that. I said: "I'm quite sure one of the reasons why Kojima wanted to leave the MGS series after MGS2 was because so many people hated Raiden...". I never said it was the sole reason for him.

that means nothing. he was used to simulate a training program identicle to MGS1's experience (Shadow Moses?). it would have been expected to be called Snake.He was trained to be Snake. He does the same things Snake does (only that he is not as experienced nor he has Big Boss' genes - and I also admit he's yet to become nearly as cool as SS). Remember he always thought that the S3 plan meant "Solid Snake Simulation".

By the way, not that I like IGN forums, but you might want to check this thread:

Wild speculation before the release of MGS2 (http://boards.ign.com/Message.aspx?topic=9222200)

If I was asked: Who will inherit Snake's duties?
I would reply: Raiden will. He is destined to be the next Snake, not in name and legend, but in aptitude.

Oh, by the way, if you want proof that Raiden will be the next hero, just ask for it ;)

Konami could have made a new character to play that role, why pick Riden in particualr?Because since he's the loathed one, Kojima probably wants to get some lost MGS fans' sympathy back, thus mocking at Raiden. I honestly didn't laugh at Raidenovitch, but I understood Kojima's point. Also, if you have ever seen "Secret Theater", one of the things they say about it is something along the lines of "There's nothing too sacred to not make fun out of it". There is nothing about the characters or even about the plot Kojima and his team consider too important to the extent that there can't be any jokes about it.

I may not have made my point clear. sure poor Kojima took on the mother load, but I was refering in particular to character and mecha design, and that goes for the ZOE games as well.Then again, read my previous post: "Hideo himself said that if there was a demand for more Metal Gear, he would produce them, although he most probably won't direct, write or design them anymore." I talk about the games here. Then my reply to your post: "I of course know that MGS character designer is Yoji Shinkawa. I was talking about Metal Gear titles designed by Hideo Kojima."

with all regret, back to the Riden comment; in design he was perfectly good. nothing wrong. he had the moves (twist jump, raising from a hang, and minor others) he had the cool suit, under water breather, the works. he had the looks (Japs like beautiful young men- the perverts!). what killed him, even worse; humiliated him silly, was all that happened in the game and after words (Kojima's comments, E3, MGS3, feedback, mock ups from every official source, etc.).I'm afraid there was something of "Change Syndrome" to this matter. I mean, this situation was something a bit like "Oh man, PS3 is going to have boomerang controllers... I want my good 'ol Dual Shock 2 back!". Raiden was never accepted by many people because HE IS NOT SOLID SNAKE. He has the talent but he doesn't have the looks, or even the charisma... yet. Likewise, I'm not saying some people disliked him because of that reason, but because of his somewhat whiny personality and voice actor (too exaggerated).

Anyway, I don't disagree with some of your opinions, it's just that I feel you haven't read my posts correctly! Next time read them more carefully, please ;)

LaLiLuLeLo

11-06-2005, 06:50 PM

GTShotoKen

11-06-2005, 07:21 PM

Personally, I like Raiden's character. I do think people just had a bad case of 'change' syndrome. (OMG! Gimme my snake back!) One guy I know who hadn't played mgs1 yet liked Raiden just fine, if that tells you anything. I think he was a great character to introduce, and really appreciated him once you learned that he was actually a soldier since he was a kid.

The guy ate gun powder for crying out loud. If that's not hardcore, then I don't know, man. People just don't appreciate the fact that YES HE'S A ROOKIE. He was anyway. He'll be back in mgs4, all battle-hardened and experienced. He has the moves. Only now he'll have the 'tude. Oh yeah baby.

I was kind of thinking he might come back as the ninja. You know, since friggin olga was dressed up as the ninja, why not Raiden? He's got the HF Blade.

I didn't like Raiden because he didn't fit the role of a soldier at all. He looked like the typical girly man hero that belongs in a typical rpg and some of his moves were obnoxious. What kind of special forces soldier does cartwheels to quickly sneak around open doorways and various objects. Snake's diving role was much more convincing.

Kojima even made fun of Raiden in game by having the President second guessing his masculinity (to put it politely). Kojima also made him Volgin's gay lover in MGS3, so that pretty much sums his views up for Raiden.

The whole plot between him and his girlfriend in MGS2 was absolutely ridiculous also, and only served as a decent laugh.

He also didn't eat gun powder exclusively. His unite leader snuck it into his food to make him easier to control, so I wouldn't call him hardcore in that since.

I'm not saying that Raiden hurt the story of MGS2 in anyway, but he didn't fit his role in the story.

Goki

11-06-2005, 08:01 PM

His voice acting wasnt convincing either. I mean i know he looks feminine, but hte guy was speaking like a 14 year old emo kid"!!!

PhYmon

11-06-2005, 08:13 PM

VG Aficionado

11-06-2005, 08:54 PM

I dont know if any of u guys realize it but the size of 361 MB for only 8 mins of a video, is a huge thing for the fact that PS3 is going to have 50 GB of storage so can u imagine the possibilities that it comes along.. Even amazing landscapes, larger number of enemies and so on!Actually, it should be at least double than that size because this HD trailer runs at 30FPS instead of 60FPS as the original one does. Anyway, the bitrate should be even higher than double, so expect 1 min videos to be 400+ MB in size in order to be true HD (Assuming 50 GB / 120min =~427 MB per minute). Only Blu-ray will be able to deliver.

Anyway, there won't be any pre-rendered videos in MGS4, maybe a couple of presentation ones and that's all.

CrumCon

11-06-2005, 09:11 PM

Many dev this generation suing in-game engine for most of their movies because of the limited storage capacity of current DVD's. Even Square-Enix followed the suit using in-game engine for most the movies in their games.

with PS3.. they could do everything they desired to

11-07-2005, 06:15 AM

VG Aficionado: I totally agree with you. you even explain my point with further details.
Anyway, I don't disagree with some of your opinions, it's just that I feel you haven't read my posts correctly! Next time read them more carefully, please
moi?! ('me' in French). I am..wounded *puts hand on heart and other arm on face poetically-like*. I read every post. I also pay extrea attention when picking small details from a post to point out. sure I am not perfect (I am only a alien), but these slip ups are totally unintentional :)

Oh, by the way, if you want proof that Raiden will be the next hero, just ask for it
I am afraid to. do you mean for the 4th or 5th game? oh shmut, I asked!

Gaming Guru clearly explains the hate for Riden. also, just to point out, there is a difference between making a joke, and directly humiliate someone. Riden was bitch slapped with the latter the whole game- and beyond.
CrumCon
Many dev this generation suing in-game engine for most of their movies because of the limited storage capacity of current DVD's. Even Square-Enix followed the suit using in-game engine for most the movies in their games.

well, not entirely. the reason for the decline of CG cut scenes in games is the same reason for the decline of anime as cut scenes. the reason being price and time. anime is more expensive and takes longer to do than CG. of course, with the advancements in CG details, the price gap may have narrowed a bit, and to an extend the time one as well. with the details of in game graphics today and cetainly in the next cycle, the need for high detailed CG to be less. we can clearly see the faces, eye color, emotions such as smiles, grunts, etc. that cosed pre-renderes to appear a lot less this generation. with PS3, expect CG to be used even less.
with PS3.. they could do everything they desired to
BD is definitly huge. in fact, it is the hugest (yeah, I know, but it sounds better than 'biggest') mass storage format available. you may bring up Holographic discs, but I'll consider them when they get a mass release date and serious backing.
storage size is a different topic. it is discussed intensively in the BD vs HD-DVD thread. just to mention, Itagaki (DoA/TN head) is complaining about the size of current DVDs and said the DoA video demo took up a big amount (don't remember exact size, but we are talking about Gs here).

VG Aficionado

11-07-2005, 11:49 AM

I am afraid to. do you mean for the 4th or 5th game? oh shmut, I asked!Beware Raiden haters: the logic in this post will be so undeniable that its truth could give you the creeps!

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WILL RAIDEN BECOME THE NEXT METAL GEAR HERO?

First, a brief Norse mythology lesson from The MGS2 Theory That Will Live In Infamy! (http://boards.ign.com/Message.aspx?topic=9222200) (I checked the information by myself and this is more accurate than you can think of)

There are 4 main characters in Norse mythology. Odin, Thor, Tyr, and Loki.

Odin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin): Odin ruled the heavens and earth omnisciently. By drinking from Mimir's fountain he became the wisest of gods and men, but he purchased the distinction at the cost of one eye. He was a master at battle, and is the greatest fighter in all of Asguard. (Plus, Odin has a beard!) Odin = Big Boss

Thor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thor): The son of Odin. He is a true hero. He died at Ragnarok (end of the world), and sacrifices himself for mankind. He is the god of thunder, and a brother to Loki. Thor = Solid Snake

Tyr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyr): God of war. Often called the one handed god. his hand was taken by a Fox. There is much debate about his lefthandedness. In the norse culture the right hand was given for a pledge, which could be why the right hand was placed in the wolf's mouth. A left handed person was sometimes considered evil because he could use a weapon with his left hand even though he shook with his right hand. Tyr = Revolver Ocelot

Loki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki): He was an enigmatic, mischievous, sometimes demonic figure who appears as an enemy of the Thor, stirring up all kinds of trouble that others must contend with. He is Thor's brother. Loki = Liquid Snake = Solidus SnakeNow consider this. What does "Raiden" mean? Is it the name of a WWII fighter aircraft? True, but...

You know, if they asked me, I'd say Raiden is the name of the GOD OF THUNDER IN JAPANESE MYTHOLOGY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raiden).

Raiden's first codename was Snake. Raiden can do the same things Snake does, including taking a Metal Gear down (several ones, in fact). Raiden went through the S3 plan, which he thought meant "Solid Snake Simulation", and it really was that to some extent (Shadow Moses VR training - a reference to MGS1 fans too). If there is someone as skilled as Solid Snake to dedicate to his duties when he's not around, that is MGS2's Raiden.

Conclusion: Solid Snake = True Hero == God Of Thunder = Raiden

Final conclusion: Solid Snake == Raiden

P.S. Is it a coincidence that Raiden's real name is "Jack" (Big Boss name)?

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FURTHER SPECULATION

In every Metal Gear title, the main character kills a member of their family.(MAJOR MG/MGS SPOILERS AHEAD) In MG1 and MG2, Solid Snake has to kill Big Boss. In MGS1, Solid Snake kills Liquid Snake. In MGS2, Raiden kills Solidus Snake, his spiritual father. In MGS3, Jack (not Big Boss yet) is forced to kill The Boss, his mentor and mother-like figure.

Now, we know that Big Boss will appear in MGS4 in a way or another. Will Solid Snake have to kill him once and for all? However, take a look at this poster (http://junkerhq.net/Wallpapers/MetalWorksWallPaperFull.jpg) from "Metal Gear Solid 2: The Perfect Metal Works". Raiden's closest "relatives" are Solidus Snake (spiritual father) and Solid Snake (spiritual uncle). Will Raiden have to kill Solid Snake to become the only one hero at the very end of MGS4? To be totally honest, I would hate Raiden forever if he killed Solid Snake, so I hope things won't happen this way. Will Solid Snake kill Raiden? Surely many Raiden haters would love this plot twist, but I don't see this happening either. Will there be two or three possible endings for MGS4 like in MGS1? Who knows. The only thing I know is that I can't wait to play MGS4!!!!

Anyway, in MGS4, Raiden will have the opportunity to prove us how great he really is, in every way, and so the Metal Gear Solid saga will come to an end as we know it while Metal Gear Raiden arises for good...

And I believe I'd rather see a Metal Gear without Snake than a non-Hideo-Kojima Metal Gear Solid with a Snake without such a great influence behind him.

Sorry for the long post, this is dedicated to MG/MGS fans. Part II coming soon!

EDIT: Go to Raiden could be the next Metal Gear hero - Use your logic (PART II) (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=847142&postcount=670) for more details.

Applefiend

11-07-2005, 01:31 PM

For my MGS4 obsessive friends...

http://www.archive.org/details/RetroCore-TokyoGameShow2005

About near the end of the video (800MB, sorry), our fearless Scouser Yakumo sneaks a video camera into the MGS4 screening, and the guys showing the video stop the trailer and zoom around a scene in real time on a PS3 dev kit.

O.D.S

11-07-2005, 03:28 PM

For my MGS4 obsessive friends...
Thats right! good find Applefiend

Applefiend

11-07-2005, 06:35 PM

Yeah, you can see them turning Snakes hair green, zooming in and out, changing the lighting on Octacon. It's all real time folks, on those slow alpha kits.

Groovy.

11-07-2005, 08:57 PM

VG Aficionado:
First, a brief Norse mythology lesson

now that's just creepy. I bet even Kojima doesn't know any of this.

Anyway, in MGS4, Raiden will have the opportunity to prove us how great he really is

to tell you the truth, if a great character appears with kick-ass armor/moves, I will be sold immediately faster than a kid in front of a cutton candy shop- even if this character's name 'happens' to be Riden.
good post by the way :)

about Cyborg Ninja: I rather leave him squashed (get it?) in glory than to bring him back being anything less than the best character ever created (along with FFX's Auron of course). what they did in 3 was ridiculous. sure he had a good desing (liked the original one better) but he did absolutely nothing. just standing there. he was even so slow he couldn't cut off a hand (and certainly not to deflect bullets). where is all the 'ninja' in Cyborg Ninja? hell where is the 'cybore'? in 1, his suit was amazing, doing things like stealth, extremely tough exo-sckeleton. his mask desing was the best ever. aaah, the memories. those were the days.

speaking of kickass characters, 3 seriously disappointed me. MGS is known for having THE best villian casts period. I don't know what the heck happened in 3, but I don't want to see it again.

VG Aficionado

11-07-2005, 09:44 PM

now that's just creepy. I bet even Kojima doesn't know any of this.Do you honestly believe there can be so many coincidences by pure chance? I know it's hard to imagine that an average writer/creator could produce such a thick and convoluted script that would expand over so many years and still keep its very own logic, but we are not talking about an average guy here. Hideo Kojima is a brilliant creator and there's nothing in his games that hasn't been included for a good reason. However, I understand that there can be people who fail to see so much genius expressed through videogames. Paraphrasing my user title, videogames are a fine art thanks to people like Hideo Kojima.

good post by the way :)No problem :) There's still a lot of things I could say about Raiden and his own Metal Gear saga, not useless speculation, but speculation based on facts and established logic. I'll post Part II of that post when necessary, I wouldn't want to bore anyone with my thoughts.

11-08-2005, 01:52 AM

I wouldn't want to bore anyone with my thoughts.
by all means, keep'm coming! keep'm coming!

some call him the Spielberg of video games. you notice more and more hidden and deep meanings everytime you re-play a game. that is why you can't simply have one go and throw the game. MGS is one of the finest serieses ever created.

Nodieza

11-08-2005, 06:02 AM

Ahh MGS oh how I love you so.... childhood memories, god I wish I was Grey Fox.... Arktic Fox my game tag is my tribute to Grey Fox... Mgs 3 was great, I beat it in 18 hours spread across two days, I was so hooked, I thought it was perfecly balanced. Though I still like the original Mgs 1 better because their was much more emphasis on sneaking around and actually using the items and tech they gave you while in 2+ you could just shoot them with the stupid tranq gun.... Extreme diff. made Mgs2+ fun along with the dog tags.... MGS3 had the best and most versetile boss fights plus Ocelot+younger=cool and the best story elements that are on par with MGS1 if not surpassing it. Like Danji said, it was hard not to choke out a tear. Poor Bobby doesn't feel emotion huh Danji?... I must've played #2 like 12 times by now and I finally got the story around play #6 and it dawned upon me, this game rocks and Kojima is a gaming genious even with Raiden, it didn't bother me much although Snake is much cooler... David Hayter I love you too. "Metal Gear!" "Crawl on the ground like the snake you are!" So many memorable quotes in Mgs1 plus liquid has THE BEST VOICE ACTOR EVER!!!! "Brother!".... ahh sorry I had to get that out.... SLAYER OF LESBODIA!!!!!!!!! Danji... ^.^

Note by danji: (hahah, you done got modjacked bitch) If you (the people who aren't Nodieza or me) have ever done the theater on Substance with Fortune in vamp's position in the seal slaying scene then you will know who the Slayer of Lesbodia is. (the name is derived from the word lesbian for the people who didn't catch it)

LaLiLuLeLo

11-08-2005, 10:52 PM

Yeah, specifically it was gunpowder in the food. But still, not like you could take that kind of punishment. HE KILLED PEOPLE FOR A LIVING. AT LIKE 10. I think his voice was kind of weak tho (the japanese voice actor has way better bass in his voice). For some reason they hired Quinton Flynn (real adventures of johnny quest) to do Raiden's Voice. He is snake's successor. Period. I honestly think the people who don't like him just have Change Sydrome and need to stop whining about it. I think he fit his role as Raiden very well. He's watson and snake is sherlocke holmes. It's still snake's story, just through objective eyes. He was a ROOKIE soldier, he wasn't hard (seemingly) or grizzled. He was a newb, his childhood soldier days notwithstanding. Kojima made that 'Raikov' character in 3 BECAUSE of fan's negative response to Raiden. It's because of that he's resorted to making fun of them. CUZ OF WHINY GIRLY MEN LIKE YOU. (j/k) Solid Snake : Raiden :: Grey Fox : 'Rookie' Solid Snake

I think the problem is guys feeling emasculated when they played as raiden when they were expecting to play as uber macho snake the whole game.
Props to Kojima for breaking expectations, I say. By the end of the game, Raiden was 3 Dimensional character, you can't argue that.

With that said, I hate Rose. She's retarded, and I hope she died in childbirth.

I loved Snake Eater's bad guys, dunno what you're smokin' Z.

If your name was THE PAIN, no one would mess with you dude. You know it.

They're way more badass/creative than mgs2's villains. Fortune! She has a big gun, and can stop bullets.

Vamp! He has knives. And..can stop bullets. In his defense tho I really love to hate him by the end of the game,which is the job of any villain.
Fat Man- He's a fat guy, on roller blades, planting bombs....on roller blades

Olga- she gets...shot. She dressed up like the ninja...okay.

Only decent character was Solidus, who has tentacle armor...a machine gun, and katanas. His boss fight was lame though.

And then there's good ol' ocelot, who gets away, you don't even get to fight him, possessed by liquid snakes arm. Yes his arm.

and the reason they all explode after you beat them is because kojima likes power rangers. Seriously.

Danji

11-08-2005, 11:47 PM

Yea, the japanese voice actor has a lot more bass. it was frightening watching the polygon demos and have the japanese voice actor yell "SNAAAAAKE!" when you're expecting wussy little raiden.

There is one word to describe raiden in MGS2. Narcissistic. This can change by 4 though due to him having to protect his new wife and child let alone the lessons he learned from snake in 2. Raiden will be back, and he'll be cool I'm sure.

The Raidonevitch thing was hilarious though.

Goki

11-08-2005, 11:59 PM

Ah as far as boss fights, nothing beats MGS1, I never in my dreams expected such varied and entertaining, and encapcuating boss fights ever in 1 GAME!

Raven, Ocelo, Mantis, Wolf, The harrieer, GODAMMIT, BEST GAME EVEA!! MGS1 !!!

VG Aficionado

11-09-2005, 12:37 AM

and the reason they all explode after you beat them is because kojima likes power rangers. Seriously.Yes, he did state that. He didn't say Power Rangers, but "insert Japanese counterpart here" in place of PR.

MGS3 features some of the greatest and more charismatic characters in a videogame, ever. Specially The End (good thing he didn't become Old Boy in MGS2, although I would had loved to see Old Boy in action) and of course The Boss: she has to be the most charismatic woman I've ever met in a videogame. Also, Volgin is perfect as a totally evil villain, he managed to transmit that feeling. EVA made me be attached to her. And it was fun to see a young Ocelot. To sum up, I don't think there's a single bad character in MGS3.

Yea, the japanese voice actor has a lot more bass. it was frightening watching the polygon demos and have the japanese voice actor yell "SNAAAAAKE!" when you're expecting wussy little raiden.That's how it should have been in the US version. I wonder if they'll hire the same voice actor for MGS4 and ask him to sound tougher or someone totally new will do for that matter.

VG Aficionado

11-09-2005, 12:52 AM

by all means, keep'm coming! keep'm coming!All right, all right :) Here it is, by popular demand ;)

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RAIDEN'S PLACE AND PURPOSE IN MGS SERIES

General look at MGS series:

MGS1 main subject is genes. Big Boss genes establish as the central matter of the whole series.

MGS2 main subject is memes, the units of cultural transmission. Raiden does not have the soldier genes of Big Boss like Les Enfants Terribles do, but there is a fundamental feature that he indeed has: Raiden has Solid Snake's memes. Raiden can do the same things Solid Snake did in Shadow Moses as he acquired that knowledge thanks to VR training. He did defeat Metal Gear Ray - several times actually! That's a critical must to become the next Metal Gear hero.

MGS3 is about the scene. Read "Speculation on Metal Gear Raiden" below to see the connection with Raiden.

MGS4 is about the will (sense) to be conveyed to the next and youngest generation. Solid Snake is older not only because of his old genes, but also because it represents Hideo Kojima's will of an old man to pass the baton to a young staff. And who is younger than Snake and is able to take over his duties? Raiden is. I believe Snake WILL ask Raiden to become the one to save the world in future conflicts, and that is his destiny. Raiden will be the one who'll fight in his place.

These are the three Metal Gear Solid games. Because of this, the Metal Gear Solid series finished with the third game.

In the meantime, I have passed the soul of MGS on to gamers. I have passed on the way of making MGS to the production staff. The younger generation with whom I struggled to make three MGS games was supposed to launch into a new battlefield, MGS4, without me.

However neither the soul nor the will of the experience were passed on to them, either to gamers or my staff. I seem to have forgotten something in the MGS series: I have forgotten to pass along the will (SENSE).

Only I can pass this on; I must show it by myself. Therein lies the reason for a forty-two year old game designer to return to direct production. To reveal the soul that continues to change and to grow, even if we grow to old age – this is the final thing that I must pass on to the next generation.Source: Hideo Kojima's Blog - Tuesday, 27 September 2005 (http://www.blog.konami.jp/gs/hideoblog_e/2005/09/000166.html)

SPECULATION ON "METAL GEAR RAIDEN"

Scene... from MGS3:

The Boss: "People aren't the ones who dictate the missions."

Jack (Big Boss): "Then, who does?"

The Boss: "The times. People's values change over time, and so do the leaders of a country."What if, after the yet unknown events of MGS4, Solid Snake becomes the main villain? Our friends today are tomorrow's enemies, and vice versa. This has happened so many times (e.g. Big Boss, The Joy & The Sorrow, Naomi Hunter), why should this be impossible? Hideo Kojima himself already stated that Solid Snake will not die in MGS4, so he could still be around by the time Raiden goes solo and kicks in. What if Raiden was forced to face Solid Snake before the end of MGS4? However, anything beyond that is beyond my understanding of the MG/MGS series and my imagination.

Hmmm, I think that's about all of the important points that make me believe there will be a canonical Metal Gear Raiden after Metal Gear Solid 4, if there will be anything at all. There will be no more Metal Gear Solid games as we know them, with maybe the exception of Metal Gear Solid BD