Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[JasonXe]

I can't really count Cloud as bishounen simply because most bishounen characters aren't constantly drowning in a sea of their own angst.

You think Radien can handle Omnislash and neo bahamut? shit nez lol. Forget about Cloud, Radien from Mortal Kombat can take on Radien from mgs.

j/p, im bored

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Why do you keep spelling it Radien? It's Raiden.

[Jay Gee]

He referred to both Raiden's as "Radien." LMAO!

[Passive]

Not even snake could take on neo bahamut you twit. ffs lol stop comparing a fantasy character to a realism character. It's a dumb idea so dont do it.

Raiden Is a kick ass character, get over it :P Seriously i have no idea why anyone could think raiden was a sissy (better than pussy). He has been through so much shit since he was a child which 99.5% of the worlds population wouldnt survive through. Stop seeing his physical image and judging him purely on the blonde flowing hair and the slender build, its a stupid way of seeing who he is. IF you actually listened to MGS2s cut scenes and codecs then you would know how hardcore he is. But no doubt anyone who says raiden sucks is either comparing him to snake or skipped most of the codecs and scenes in MGS2. both very dumb ideas. Dont compare snake to anyone because they will just look silly :P and play through MGS2 again if you skipped the scenes because its a kick ass game with a really good story (just ignore fatman lol)

I know you all were hoping to play solid snake in the first ps2 MGS game but get over your little bitch fest about raiden taking over for a game. Its pathetic and lame. He served as a refreshing change from snake and im glad kojima made the change because if you played as snake through 2 i bet some people on here would be saying they are sick of snake. Instead we played as someone who was a sort of sleeker version of snake, he's skinnier, faster but a little green. I dont hold that against the character so why do others? No im not saying be like me, i play WoW so dont be like me :P Im saying stop anting the same thing churned out over and over. dont conform the the change is bad idealism that halo 3 went with. Thats what makes the MGS series so damn good in my opinion because the way each game is different.

I bet if there is a part in MGS4 where you get to play as raiden none of you will bitch. Because he looks cool now.


/very annoyed rant

[LaLiLuLeLo]

MGS4 will be the first time we've played as Solid Snake in 3 games.

[JasonXe]

He referred to both Raiden's as "Radien." LMAO!

ahh, finally someone notice lol. There both fantasy characters btw.

[Passive]

Raiden isn't a fantasy character. He's a fictional character based on realism. Cloud is a fantasy fictional character.

[Gummy]

MGS4 will be the first time we've played as Solid Snake in 3 games.

:high five:

[Bsack]

Raiden isn't a fantasy character. He's a fictional character based on realism. Cloud is a fantasy fictional character.

I don't think the game itself is based on realistic physics. Do you think Raiden in MGS4 would be able to stab himself and still be able to do all the crazy ass fighting if it was realistic. The nature of the game is kinda real, but when you get to the parts where people start using their special abilities that's when it takes a very quick downfall from realistic. In a sense you can kind of compare it to like Xmen or something because they have those weird magic powers.

[Passive]

:lol:

Sorry i had to lol at that. Raiden didnt even feel that through his stomach. the only part of raiden left is his spine and head. The game is alot more real that FFVII. It's based in the future too so dont say cyborgs are bullshit :P and xmen is still more believeable that FF games. i didnt see monsters xmen? or demons? or any of that i saw the next evolution of the human race. the members of Dead cell and or foxhound are just the next evolution or a victim of genetic testing.

Yes im pissed off because people keep tyring to prove me wrong.

[Segitz]

MGS4 will be the first time we've played as Solid Snake in 3 games.


What about MG 1 and 2?

The Acids had some stange stories, especially the second one, so they don't count (Snake being a clone and whatnot

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Not since 1. You play as Solid Snake in MGS2 for about 2 hours (if you're slow) and that's just to set the player up for the MGS1 "roadmap" expectations that we all had, to be thrown into MGS2 proper which is Raiden's character.

[Passive]

Segitz Lali did mean MG1 MG2 and MGS1. MGS3 was naked snake/jack/big boss remember? not snake? and you play as raiden in MGS2. So yes MGS4 will be the 3rd Solid Snake game.

[Bsack]

Who's trying to prove you wrong? You've made it clear that you're dorky enough yourself by trying to know everything there is that pertains to video games. What's your explanation of the people with the super human powers in MGS3? That took place or seemed as if it took place around WW2.

And as of now cyborgs are not realistic nor do they seem to be coming about in our life time. Keep it real bud. I never said FF seemed real now did I?

[curryking1]

^Guys chill lol.

All Passive meant is that MGS is to be grounded realistically, not be absolutely real. He means in the environment and the capability of the regular person. MGS is 'grounded' in reality (general concepts of stealth, the environment developed with real world climates/areas in mind) even if it has supernatural beings and cyborgs and Octocamo and whatever else in it as well.

[Segitz]

Segitz Lali did mean MG1 MG2 and MGS1. MGS3 was naked snake/jack/big boss remember? not snake? and you play as raiden in MGS2. So yes MGS4 will be the 3rd Solid Snake game.

What the heck... how could I miss all that^^

Man, I am bad^^

[³¹¹]

Yeah MGS4 closes the trilogy.

[Passive]

I still dont consider the snake games a trilogy :P as they are a part of the story. it not like you say there are 2 star wars trilogies. one for luke and one for ani. (although i argue that all 6 are about ani/darth)

[Bsack]

^^They are about ani/darth vader.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah MGS4 closes the trilogy.

...but...it's quadrilogy at this point. You can have a trilogy with 4 installments. :spit:

[masteratt]

lol I had to check if quadrilogy was a word :doh:

Should be though, we can use it to describe the MGS saga.

[curryking1]

Or you could just call it a trilogy with one prequel....

Idiot! :P

[masteratt]

That's not very catchy though.
Yeah MGS is a great trilogy with a prequel.
BOO!


Now let's test the quadrilogy style:
Yeah MGS is a great quadrilogy.
Awesome!

[curryking1]

Quadrilogies are for dum dums. :P

[Passive]

SIF! thats blasphemy! what about the Alien Quadrilogy?! awesome films!

[cliffbo]

SIF! thats blasphemy! what about the Alien Quadrilogy?! awesome films!

i think that proves Curry's point. 1 and 2 great... the others shite

[curryking1]

Hmm, I didn't really mean to have a point there lol :P

But I guess.... except I've never watched the Alien films lol.

[the boney king of nowhere.]

the word's tetralogy.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Is that right? Cool. Not as fun to say as quadrilogy though.

[the boney king of nowhere.]

yeah...

tri = 3
tetra = 4
penta = 5

...or something

[LaLiLuLeLo]

GREEK VS. LATIN, WHO WILL SURVIVE??? :-p

[masteratt]

Snake will survive!

[AC!D]

Definitley us GREEKS Lali:)

[LiquidEagle]

GREEK VS. LATIN, WHO WILL SURVIVE??? :-p

:laugh: I think that question's already been answered, considering one of those is a dead language :-p

[Segitz]

:laugh: I think that question's already been answered, considering one of those is a dead language :-p

There are still people living in Greece, you know!!

[Passive]

lol. Latin ftw to be honest. almost every european language is a derivative of latin. You don't get much cooler than that.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

There are still people living in Rome :P And it propagated into many, many other languages.

In fact, Spanish is the early Germanic tribes' failed attempt at adopting latin as their on to get in good with the Romans. Fancy that.

[LiquidEagle]

lol. Latin ftw to be honest. almost every european language is a derivative of latin. You don't get much cooler than that.

Not German! :-D

[AC!D]

Lets settle this in terms of gaming! Greeks gave us Kratos, Jason, Achilles, Alexander, Leonidas, Odysseus and hercules :) Then just when you think it could not get any better it does APHRODITE, ELLEN OF TROY and damn i wish they would keep me captive the Amazons/sirens. That would be great game for Will Wright to make The Sims Ilse of the Amazons lol :)

[Sephiroth_VII]

Not Danish, Norwegian, or Swedish either, but they're related far out anyway.

[Passive]

Not German! :-D

Actually, yes german :P Okay originally gemanic tribes spoke their own native tounge but by the time the crusades took place latin was adopted into the language and into the alphabet.

Lets settle this in terms of gaming! Greeks gave us Kratos, Jason, Achilles, Alexander, Leonidas, Odysseus and hercules :) Then just when you think it could not get any better it does APHRODITE, ELLEN OF TROY and damn i wish they would keep me captive the Amazons/sirens. That would be great game for Will Wright to make The Sims Ilse of the Amazons lol :)

Okay first off its Helen of Troy not Ellen :P
secondly yes greek has awesome heroes. The original greek language wasn't from latin or even borrowed sentence structures, wording any of that. BUT through the evolution of the greek language Latin types and hints have been added to it and im talking as far back as 300bc. so sorry lol greek also got help from dead latin.

Not Danish, Norwegian, or Swedish either, but they're related far out anyway.

Okay these 3 are all germanic launguages. Which the lanuage they borrowed from borrowed from latin :P so wrong again XD

- Swedish (old swedish i mean, which as evolved into the swedish spoken today) has tell tail sign as early as 1280AD
- Noregian originally spoke Old Norse (which is the very early language most germanic tribes spoke, which lali menioned) but then was replaced with the later germanic speach which had latin incorperated into it due to christian crusades bringing latin.
- Same for the Daish language as it was for Norwegian.

So okay these languages didnt start off with a latin base but they sure as hell have it in them now. :P

[LaLiLuLeLo]

And english is the utlimate bastard mut language of them all!

[Passive]

Pretty much. and its the hardest to learnas a second language due to it being so fucked up.

[GTAce]

Ach ihr habt doch alle keine Ahnung. :-p

MGS4 discussion anyone? lol

[FantasyGhost]

PREVIEWS: Metal Gear Solid 4, MG Online

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SCEA’s Peter Dille called it “the mother of all exclusives”, but is the recently delayed title shaping up to justify the hype?
First and foremost Metal Gear Solid 4 is a Metal Gear game, with its roots in that lineage almost overbearing at times. It is exactly like its predecessors in some of the most important and varied respects – often fluid, often fiddly, sometimes astonishingly tense and sometimes tedious.

Graphically, it is a great-looking game, despite it being a good two years since first sight. The setting is superbly realized, from blown-out buildings and cars to the dust trails that kick up in the wake of bullets. It is hardly exceptional in the smallest details, however, and the likes of Heavenly Sword have more realistically rendered characters, but this may be due to the typically strong characterization as much as the effects of ageing, and as with its predecessors MGS4 will likely be overhauled significantly before release. A major disappointment, however, is that despite all of the flashy graphical effects, shadows are not important. In a stealth game, with the power of PS3, enemies should be able to notice such things and respond accordingly. In the TGS demo, they did not.

Movement proves responsive and slick, with Snake’s ability to maneuver from any position a major new freedom. Sneaking up on enemies is much easier than it has been thanks to the combination of this and the camo suit, allowing you to move quickly and silently and take refuge almost anywhere in the scenery. It can feel unnatural at times, however, such as with the diving roll which ends with Snake standing upright and stopping his movement very briefly.

Combat, on the other hand, is unquestionably improved, with a shoulder camera and reticule or auto-aim feature available, and a huge range of options for taking down enemy soldiers.

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There was a little too much emphasis in the demo on moving through set checkpoints to trigger cutscenes, while the structures around you look as though they should be of some use but contain nothing but dead ends and empty, boxy rooms. The structure of Metal Gear games has always excelled at giving opportunities for experimentation along a linear route, however, and it is likely the case here beyond what could be demonstrated in a short time.

However, the bigger problem is that the enemy AI on standard soldiers seems to have progressed little: their reactions upon discovering you are the same as they’ve always been – and it’s disappointing to see them pile out of an armored transport during an in-engine cutscene (which could easily have happened during play), beautifully animated and almost scarily realistic, and then once the game restarts reverting to the same tired patrol routes we’ve seen over and over again.

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Metal Gear Online

As regards the other half of MGS4, Metal Gear Online, a stand was set up at TGS with two teams of six facing off against the another in a relatively small map with a warehouse in the centre. It’s often hard to tell what kind of tone Kojima Productions is attempting to strike with Metal Gear games, but tongue-in-cheek moments are most definitely absent from MGO: it is a straight-up, tactical team shooter.

There is a range of options to choose from before beginning – you can select up to four specialties for your soldier, from proficiency with an assault rifle to a talent for CQC. When the game begins there’s a screen allowing you to choose your primary, secondary, and explosive/tactical weapons (such as grenades, smoke grenades and claymores).

A quick team salute will reveal the location of your team, shown as blue or red wire- frames through walls and obstacles, and a useful map shows their location and direction of interest, making it easy to direct group movement as well as follow formation.

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Combat is like a more measured Gears Of War, based on tactical maneuvering, cover firing and team movements – your characters have less destructive capacity and move slower than Fenix and co, but overall the pattern of cover/retreat/advance/roll/shoot all seems very familiar. That is no bad thing, of course, and MGO works admirably well when grouped teams meet each other in tense standoffs.

The weapons also have the usual limitations: the machine-gun has recoil that makes it impossible to fire accurately in anything but bursts, while the shotgun is powerful but requires frequent, and slow, reloading.

The only uncomfortable feature is the close combat, which is a bit of a mess, but will be tightened up before release. MGO is enjoyable enough and a significant improvement over MGS3’s online play – the only problem is that it seems very much an online mode rather than a standalone game. Well made, certainly, but impossible to conceive of as anything other than a budget download for owners of MGS4.

Of course, both games doubtless have other tricks up their sleeves and this isn’t the full Metal Gear story. But in terms of MGS4, what can be inferred from the TGS demos is that it is another progression for the series, but perhaps a somewhat more linear one than was hoped for. No change, then, when perhaps change is just what is needed.

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[Smokey]

now dont kill me for saying this BUT... all the vids & gameplay ive seen of mg4 i really hope they makem more fluid in their animations (like walking, running etc) this is my only complaint with mg4. as all this is just awsome in COD4. also when you play online the sounds you hear of yourself walking & you teamates is just so awsome on COD4. it has alot to live up to in my eyes







BOOM headshot






BOOYA

[Red_Eyes]

now dont kill me for saying this BUT... all the vids & gameplay ive seen of mg4 i really hope they makem more fluid in their animations (like walking, running etc) this is my only complaint with mg4. as all this is just awsome in COD4. also when you play online the sounds you hear of yourself walking & you teamates is just so awsome on COD4. it has alot to live up to in my eyes







BOOM headshot






BOOYA
Alrite everybody, take out your shotguns. Time to silence this critic. LOL.

[curryking1]

I'm sure the sound will be amazing, but I'm also a bit disappointing in the animations in MGS4 also. MGS2 was 'like woah' for animations when it came out and it's still pretty frigging smooth, MGS4's look kind of blocky to be honest.... they don't look much improved over MGS3...

[KRA]

I'm sure the sound will be amazing, but I'm also a bit disappointing in the animations in MGS4 also. MGS2 was 'like woah' for animations when it came out and it's still pretty frigging smooth, MGS4's look kind of blocky to be honest.... they don't look much improved over MGS3...

hey maybe that's the reason of delay :)

[masteratt]

Yep, as a big MGS fan, I agree with smokey and curry's criticism.

When I watch videos I can feel that there is one more layer of polish Hideo has to put in the game but KRA made a great conclusion- It's still not coming out for ages so I'm sure they'll do their best and make it look amazing as always.

[Passive]

I wouldn't say the animations are bad or blocky or anything i will agree they need work but they aren't any sort of eyesore. They just seem to scripted at the moment.

As for the sound :P dont worry Smokes the sound will be amazing. Better than COD4 even. Wanna know why i know that? Because they are using fully uncompressed there is no audio loss at all from the original recordings. So im not being to bold when i say the sound will be perfect.

[LiquidEagle]

That was one of the worst previews I've ever read.

[GTShotoKen]

I have to say that the writer of this article definitely came in to the demos looking for things to scrutinize.

It's hard to enjoy a game as much if you are only playing it to find its faults.

I know the writer didn't say the games were bad or anything, but you can't really tell if he/she enjoyed the demos or not based on what was said. You only got to know what was "wrong" with them.

[cliffbo]

oooooooo people are hitting on MGS!!!!!

[Epix]

Ohh, cmon guys. You know no one can go from standing->kneeling->stomach->kneeling->standing->kneeling->stomach->kneeling->stomach like Snake can.

[Red_Eyes]

Ohh, cmon guys. You know no one can go from standing->kneeling->stomach->kneeling->standing->kneeling->stomach->kneeling->stomach like Snake can.

You want to be able to go from one of those stance to the next very quickly, that's why the animation is the way it is. Of course they can make it very realistic. But that'll mean you'll be pretty slow when switching stance.

[Passive]

:lol: @ Epix, its the truth.

And i agree with you Red_Eyes

[Smokey]

im a huge MGS fan thats why im really hoping for the change to fluidity. MGS1 was the game that got me into gaming full stop.

[julps31]

I don't know...personally I don't see anything "choppy" or unfluid (if thats a word lol) about the animation. I think it looks fine and not neccesarily stands out as bad. Might not be Uncharted realistic but its done well imo.

[Smokey]

have you played cod4

[LiquidEagle]

have you played cod4

I've played COD4 and MGS4 :)

[Smokey]

I've played COD4 and MGS4 :)

O'rly?

[Passive]

Please don't get him started smokes :P i've only just supressed the urge to kill him.

[Smokey]

start liquid start i havnt heard... where, how, when WTF??

[Passive]

*leaves thread*

[Smokey]

crybaby

[LiquidEagle]

:lol:

I played the MGS4 demo at E For All in Los Angeles back on Oct. 18th & 19th... lemme find the posts with my experiences... *check back on this post*

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1717545&postcount=4177
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1717622&postcount=4187
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1718160&postcount=4227
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1718649&postcount=4264 (Pics from the event)

Those are the big ones :)

[Smokey]

all i can say is awsome LiquidEagle... damn wouldve been a treat & a half.

[julps31]

have you played cod4Lol i wish. But thats simply my impressions from watching the gameplay movies. I think they look fine. COD might eclipse MGS animations wise (wouldn't know first hand) but just from what my eyes tell me now I don't think they look out of place at all in MGS. Mind you I felt the same way you do about the animations in earlier builds of MGS where the animations where pretty much identical to the past MGS games. But they are MUCH better now and the only way they resemble the past MGS games is the enimies stance imo.

[yoshaw]

LOL @ thread!!

I'm not contributing much these days but you guys are cracking me up good while I'm on the sidelines. rep smokey,passive,liquid.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Fuck that preview, there are at least 6 months between the TGS demo and MGS4's release.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Fuck that preview, there are at least 6 months between the TGS demo and MGS4's release.

lol true that.

[Smokey]

LOL @ thread!!

I'm not contributing much these days but you guys are cracking me up good while I'm on the sidelines. rep smokey,passive,liquid.

always think of ya when 'in before the lock' needs to be brought out mate... i do it for.. Truth, Justice & the Yoshaw way

[LiquidEagle]

Happy 6th birthday, MGS2! :birthday:

[Sephiroth_VII]

Happy BD!

[³¹¹]

For some reason today when I was driving around, hunting for Assassin's Creed, I was a little saddened. After all these years of playing MGS and loving the quirks, it is now all going to be changed so that Westerners will get their feel from the game. But is that not what makes some MGS what it is? I mean, it probably is for the better but I hope there is an option to make it non-Westerner.

Also, I hope I get a big TV in time for this.

[LiquidEagle]

Ever since MGS2 though, MGS has been more popular in America, which is why it was released in America first (6 years ago today! :-p)

It'll still very much have the quirks...don't worry. Johnny Sasaki is in full force still ;)

[julps31]

For some reason today when I was driving around, hunting for Assassin's Creed, I was a little saddened. After all these years of playing MGS and loving the quirks, it is now all going to be changed so that Westerners will get their feel from the game. But is that not what makes some MGS what it is? I mean, it probably is for the better but I hope there is an option to make it non-Westerner.

Also, I hope I get a big TV in time for this.What makes you feel it'll be any less quirky? I'm sure it'll just as humorus and quirky as the other games because nothings really proven otherwise to me.

[fadesurf225]

For some reason today when I was driving around, hunting for Assassin's Creed, I was a little saddened. After all these years of playing MGS and loving the quirks, it is now all going to be changed so that Westerners will get their feel from the game. But is that not what makes some MGS what it is? I mean, it probably is for the better but I hope there is an option to make it non-Westerner.

Also, I hope I get a big TV in time for this.

If anything, it's gonna be quirkier. Cuz Snake's goin out with the bang, remember?! Hideo Kojima wouldn't let us down. Maybe he'll let us listen to the dialogue in japanglish?

btw, 311's my favorite band!!!

[dnpmakkah]

Ceb at Gaf wrote what he thinks this game will be reviewed like...lol

"...while MGS4 does feature the best of both worlds by sticking with the tried-and-true MGS core mechanics all while borrowing elements from Gears of War, we can't help but wish that Kojima Productions had pushed the envelope in more ways. The FPS view doesn't control as smoothly as Call of Duty 4, the over-the-shoulder view is not as responsive as it was in Gears of War. The loading times between areas also reduce immersion - it would've been nice if MGS4 had featured the same loading-free streaming technology used in games like Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. Also, even though the cutscenes are meticulously rendered and the story that plays out is one of gaming's finest, some people might find the constant breaks from the gameplay action to be annoying.

Lastly, while MGS4 does include an online multiplayer mode, the levels and game modes are simply too few in numbers for it to have a real lasting appeal.

Final rating: 8.9"

[³¹¹]

Wait, I should explain myself better than that. I love the humour. I love Raiden. I love Kojima's splattery shits. I love it all.

What I meant by quirks was controls. The thing that annoyed me most was when I was standing and then crouched, if I moved while crouched I would lie down and then I would have to hold the button to go all the way back up. It was this entire area that I was directing my anger at. Because I read somewhere that it was to be remedied. And just how Ryan is trying to make it feel at home for us Westerners.


And thus making it the lowest ranked Metal Gear ever (for a 3d console)?!

What mechanics has it borrowed from Gears?

The 3rd person? Oh wait.
The cover system? Um..
The option to go 'over-the-shoulder'? What is an option?
Loading times? Geese, I don't recall these in previous games.

And for fucks sake, that futureview takes gripe with the "Free Trial" of MGO? That guy is fucked. I hate him.

[TrueVCU]

If Ratchet and Clank couldn't make money being a PS3 exclusive, how can MGS4 which has an even bigger budget?

because people love it, which is apparently the opposite of what your parents did with you

[Segitz]

If Ratchet and Clank couldn't make money being a PS3 exclusive, how can MGS4 which has an even bigger budget?

I think I know, how you make money^^ Either MS pays you, or you are unemployed^^


But now now^^

How will MGS make money? First of all, it is likely that MGS4 will break even in Japan alone. Square said some time ago, that this is what happens with their games, and that is pretty impressive. And since Japan is Sony and Nintendo land, MGS4 will sell massively good there.

Then there's the US and Europe, where too it will sell many units, possibly more than Gears of War (although in a slightly worse time of year (i.e. not pre xmas)).

[Sephiroth_VII]

MS wouldn't pay him to post here. He's probably just a poor sod with no life, or money.

[cliffbo]

The thing that annoyed me most was when I was standing and then crouched, if I moved while crouched I would lie down and then I would have to hold the button to go all the way back up.

lol... i've actually spat my dummy out over this on many occasions. it's really frustrating...

"Get up!... just f*****g get up!... nooOOOOO!!!! don't lay down... RUN!"

[curryking1]

I had that problem to start, then I just got better at the game :P

[cliffbo]

I had that problem to start, then I just got better at the game :P

i do tend to panic lol.

[Segitz]

Yeah, I do too...

The crouch controls in MGS1-3 really annoyed me^^ Thankfully we now can walk this way (WALK THIS WAY!!)

[julps31]

Ceb at Gaf wrote what he thinks this game will be reviewed like...lol"...while MGS4 does feature the best of both worlds by sticking with the tried-and-true MGS core mechanics all while borrowing elements from Gears of War, we can't help but wish that Kojima Productions had pushed the envelope in more ways. The FPS view doesn't control as smoothly as Call of Duty 4, the over-the-shoulder view is not as responsive as it was in Gears of War. The loading times between areas also reduce immersion - it would've been nice if MGS4 had featured the same loading-free streaming technology used in games like Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. Also, even though the cutscenes are meticulously rendered and the story that plays out is one of gaming's finest, some people might find the constant breaks from the gameplay action to be annoying.

Lastly, while MGS4 does include an online multiplayer mode, the levels and game modes are simply too few in numbers for it to have a real lasting appeal.

Final rating: 8.9" Worst...review ever! lol... Even if it is a future casting review. The fps view doesn't controll as smoothly as COD? WOW. Last time I checked MGS isn't a fps game. The over-the-shoulder view is not as responsive as it was in Gears of War? Who cares?

If it controlls well and doesn't detract from the gameplay it shouldn't matter it its as good as gears of war lol. :duh: Gah...nevermind. I'll be playing MGS4 while this guy is replaying Gears because of its great over the shoulder view lol.

[Segitz]

Worst...review ever! lol... Even if it is a future casting review. The fps view doesn't controll as smoothly as COD? WOW. Last time I checked MGS isn't a fps game. The over-the-shoulder view is not as responsive as it was in Gears of War? Who cares?

That's what its all about! Seeing as Uncharted gets compared to Gears of War and then saying it is not as good etc...

[³¹¹]

I wish I could really kill one person. It would be that guy. Like to really shoot him.

[Smokey]

ill be lookout

[Sephiroth_VII]

Isn't it just a GAF pun aimed at ridiculing the outrageous reviews some PS3 games have been receiving?

[raVen]

Yeah seemed like satirical to me... you know... like he's poking fun at reviewers...

[Smokey]

im still up for lookout

[LiquidEagle]

Smokey's ready to get things moving but he doesn't want to get his hands dirty :-p

[Smokey]

i can be front man if ya want, i just didnt want to take 311s thunder

[LiquidEagle]

:lol:

I'll be the first to get up-in-arms for MGS/Kojima so I might go into berserk mode and just get it done myself if somebody pushes the right buttons hehe

[³¹¹]

i hope it was a joke. people can't be that stupid.

[LiquidEagle]

http://mp.i-revo.jp/user.php/kp-ryan/entry/149.html?lp=1

CORY BARLOG!!! Gotta listen to it still, wanted to tell you guys first :)

[Sephiroth_VII]

Thanks for the update, Liquid!

[LiquidEagle]

Well it was recorded before Barlog left Sony, but it's still a good listen and Cory Barlog's a really cool guy :)

[Sephiroth_VII]

Any news is good news ;)

[³¹¹]

Just finished one of the greatest torrents. MGS 1/2/3, all the cutscenes were recorded. Mmmmmmmmm.

[Nameless]

^ Provide a link!

[³¹¹]

http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3414587/Metal_Gear_Solid_Movies_(MGS_Twin_Snakes__Sons_Of_ Liberty__Snake

[Jay Gee]

^ Provide a seed!
Fixed it for you.

[curryking1]

6.54.... GB.... ow. Lol!

MGS ftw :-D

[Smokey]

http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3414587/Metal_Gear_Solid_Movies_(MGS_Twin_Snakes__Sons_Of_ Liberty__Snake

how do i download it its in another language?

[Shadow Voa]

The download has begun...

[curryking1]

^^Smokey to download torrents.... If you're talking about the video though I'm pretty sure it would be in English, just my hazardous guess.

You install something called utorrent or a similar torrent file thing. Takes like 2 seconds.

Then you go to your browser, click the download torrent thing, let your torrent program ask to use it, click yes, away you go on downloading a torrent.

P.S.

Does anyone know when the MGS Compilation thing is being released? And of course where lol.

[Smokey]

arnt those torrent things real slow :(... yeah & sorry i mean site not in english :)

[curryking1]

Torrents are fast, unless your internet is slow ;)

I mean like.. it'll be fast :P

They always start slow because they need to connect to lots of people, but soon enough it gets to peak speed and you're d/ling 6.54 GB of MGS movie-age. :-D

[Segitz]

Why didn't you say earlier you wanted them? I've had those for several years now^^

Sucks though that much (especially in MGS2) is left out (look at when you meet the bomb disposal guy and the codec stuff afterwards).

[Smokey]

my cables fast enough but insnt it got to do with 'seeds' or somethin?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yeah, I don't see any seeders (people sharing the file).

[Smokey]

i just hate downloading anything that runs at less than minumm 300KB/s shits me

[curryking1]

Yep, from what I know, seeds are the people who have completely downloaded it and are continuing to share it.

But what I'm guessing you don't know is that people who have even partially downloaded the files can also contribute to uploading and sending data to other users, but generally people who are 'leechers' are contributing less by uploading at a stronger rate than they are downloading.

But yes, going by number of seeds is generally the best way to go about things, but also it's good to factor in the peers too. 1:10 seeds to peers is even good when there's like 10 or more seeds I would guess.

P.S. I didn't realise there was only 1 seed for this torrent lol :P

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yeah... 1 seed. Awesome... Anyone who finishes it up here, continue to seed it, yeah?

[³¹¹]

I can seed tomorrow. I'm currently dedicated to seeding this other torrent.
If you want, I break them up and seed them that way so that they are smaller.

Deal? Just wait until tomorrow.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

*shrugs* It was more of a polite suggestion than a mandate. I can't make you.

[Smokey]

make him, make him, make him

[LiquidEagle]

psh, I don't need the cinemas when I have them up here (I'm pointing to my head)!!

[Sephiroth_VII]

I've had this downloaded for a year, should I have posted it?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

psh, I don't need the cinemas when I have them up here (I'm pointing to my head)!!

TRUE.

[³¹¹]

It's a nice refresher.

[LiquidEagle]

Lol, you guys are confusing a calendar date with a fiscal date. When a company gives a quarter, it's fiscal, not calendar.

However, is the Q2 a quote from Konami/Sony or just from the media? If it's media, it could be either.

This may be old news, but the Kojima Productions website (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/english/index.html) clearly says 2nd Quarter of Calendar Year 2008, so it's fortunately not Fiscal Q2, eh? Not sure if this was already stated, but it was news to me, and relieving news at that :-D

[LaLiLuLeLo]

IN YO' FACE!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/ocelot_hangesture.gif

[julps31]

Damn...now all of a sudden i got the urge to re-play mgs3. Just from that gif lol. So many great moments.

[curryking1]

IN YO' FACE!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/ocelot_hangesture.gif

OMG BEST GIF EVER! *caps

[³¹¹]

Has anyone else practiced his hand gesture before going into the shower?

[Sephiroth_VII]

No... :look:

[Segitz]

No... :look:

I did^^

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I do.

[Jay Gee]

I had a horrible dream last night where I was watching a MGS4 cutscene where the character models had bad mo-cap and moved as if they had no weight to speak of. Oh, and there were jaggies. I was watching two 9/11 conspiracy theory movies last night, so I can only attribute my fucked up dream to that.

*shudders*

[curryking1]

:O

That's scary man...

[LiquidEagle]

:laugh: one night before E3 a couple years ago I had a dream that I was at E3 but couldn't find Metal Gear... It was terrible :'(

Anyhoo, I do that Ocelot hand gesture all the time, and "DON'T YOU FORGET IT!" (does hand gesture)

[julps31]

Lmao...the horror. Lol...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

That's...that's terrible.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/SpellingBeeOwned-a9c.gif

[Sephiroth_VII]

What a horrible nightmare :(

It isn't related toMGS, but before I received my PS3, I dreamt that i received it, then dropped it on the tiled floor in the kitchen as I was taking it out of the box, and it broke. Inside was some Japanese guys face, maybe KK, but I can't remember. I blame it on all the weird images of the PS3 posted online.
Spot on with the gif, lali. Where's it from?

[curryking1]

I think it might be from the 80th National Spelling Bee.

Just a hunch.

Lol j/k :P

[LiquidEagle]

:lol: you sarcastic son of a bitch

[Fats]

MGS4 must sell 1m on day one

Metal Gear Solid 4 has to sell over a million copies on day one if it is to be profitable, GamesIndustry.biz reports.

Still, game producer Ryan Payton is adamant it will not become multi-platform to recoup costs, and stands eagerly beside his old friend PlayStation.

"The PlayStation brand has always been good to us, and we're pretty bullish on the PS3," Payton told Reuters. "We're telling our fans that if you want to play Metal Gear Solid 4, you have to buy a PS3."

Reuters' report adds: "Payton said the new 'Metal Gear Solid' needs to sell over a million copies on the first day it goes on sale due to its costly production."

It is no secret rising development costs mean it is tougher to make money on exclusive titles these days, but PS3 has a particularly hard struggle as it hasn't sold as many consoles as its rivals.

Fantastically named IDC analyst Billy Pidgeon believes this new batch of games cost around USD 10 and 50 million to develop. Coo.

"You might be able to weather one title coming in at 500,000 in sales," warned Pidgeon, perched atop a power line. "But two or three failures like that and even big publishers are going to be hurting."

But Sony has looked into this miserable future and prepared against the demise of third-party exclusives by ramping up its own internal development. It now has 15 studios working on games, according to marketing boss Peter Dille, which is more than both Microsoft and Nintendo combined.

Apparently we will also see the same number of PS3 exclusives released between September 2007 and April 2008, too.

Dille added: "We understand publishers are needing to recoup their investment. From our perspective, as long as the games aren't going exclusive to other platforms, PS3 gamers are not actually losing anything."

What a wise old fellow.

Bringing it all to close is news that only two PS3 games have ever sold over one million copies, where as its older brother PS2 has had nearly one hundred surge over that mark. Still, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune at the end of next week, wink nudge.

Source (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=88556)

[Segitz]

Why "on day one"? I've read this article a few days back, and I am still not convinced by this assumption.

I mean, does it matter if it's day one or week or even month one? Isn't the overall "full price" sales the "problem? I mean, does it matter? If it sold 1 copy on day one, but 10million on day two, would it matter?

Looking at MGS2, MGS4 will sell. MGS2 sold over 7 million copys according to Wikipedia.

MGS2 was released in November 2001, when the PS2 had an installed base of ~20million units (End of September 2001, don't have other numbers here). Launch sales according to VGC are ~550k units, half of what MGS4 needs to do. So, according to this, it won't be "successful".

Gears of War "just" managed to sell 1.1mil units on day one^^

[Red_Eyes]

1 million only? I am sure 3 millions PS3 gamers will be waiting in line to buy this game. On day one.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

alright everyone, our mission is clear. We must all buy 3 copies of MGS4.

[³¹¹]

I plan on it.
Playing copy.
Fondling copy.
Sealed copy.

[Shadow Voa]

This is one of the few games Id camp for, though I dont think that will be the case. It's a far better series then almost anything out there but realistically speaking, we all know it doesnt receive the attention or major sales it deserves. So to Red_Eyes Im disagreeing because of that, but in the end there is at the very least one million gamers who got the PS3 for this game and will grab it day one.

The other two million... well who knows why they bought the system. Blu-ray player... Final Fantasy XIII... ?

[OmniCloud]

This one has gotten a lot of coverage and BIG Ps3 games are not just popping up every month. It could very well do those numbers on day one, since a lot of people are waiting for it.

I know I'll have my pre-ordered...

[Jay Gee]

If they release a special edition, I'll be buying that one. They'll more than likely charge more than its worth, but I'll buy it just to help Konami for keeping it a PS3 exclusive.

[masteratt]

Special edition with a Hideo Kojima socks that costs $200 will be bought by me just to say "Thanks for keeping it PS3 exclusive and using the power of the PS3."

[Shadow Voa]

With my hype for this game up more then usual, what's two things you guys would want in your Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots LEGACY EDITION (I love that name)?

Me personally, I would want the soundtrack for the game and all the cutscenes on a separate disk for my viewing pleasure. Separate disk? Opps, forgot its on Blu-ray that won't be needed haha.

[masteratt]

Separate disk? Opps, forgot its on Blu-ray that won't be needed haha.
lol :cheers:

Though I remember Hideo saying he wanted bigger Blu-Rays for MGS4.
Wonder if he was just marketing talking to favour his friends at Sony.

[Diresu]

If any game is gonna sell a mil in a day, its MGS4.

[masteratt]

Unfortunately, no.

MGS never enjoyed great sales :(

[Shogun042]

i thought MGS3 sold like 3.6 million?

[Diresu]

Unfortunately, no.

MGS never enjoyed great sales :(

Selling 3 million + each installment is better then great sales.

[masteratt]

Oh, I was under the wrong impression then.

In that case: Fucking great! :beer:

[solidsnakejej]

Well considering MGS and MGS2 did 6 and 7 million respectively MGS3 looks like a failure sales wise. But considering it came out around the same time as GTASA and Halo 2 it was no surprise that it didn't do as good as the other 2.

[gibmonster]

This game is a very considerable reason..to many...THE reason to buy a PS3. If it's a million they're looking for. I can see it happening on day one.

[Sephiroth_VII]

I think that most PS3 owners are either hardcore fans or AV-enthusiasts, so although it has a low install base, I think it's possible to sell enough copies because of the high percentage of hardcore gamers who own the system.

[Segitz]

Well, I am not a hardcore gamer (more AV-Enthusiast, as Seph says), but MGS games are worth the money without waiting for any review (I even got the Acids ones, and I do not regret it, they gameplay is really nice, although the storys sucked pretty hard^^)

iirc, Subsistance cost 40€ at launch in Germany, so if a newer edition of MGS4 gets released, what is likely, then I'll be getting that too, but not at full price!

[LiquidEagle]

If they release a special edition, I'll be buying that one. They'll more than likely charge more than its worth, but I'll buy it just to help Konami for keeping it a PS3 exclusive.

I'm confused, are you talking about MGS4? This whole "more than it's worth" thing isn't computing with me...

[Diresu]

I'm confused, are you talking about MGS4? This whole "more than it's worth" thing isn't computing with me...

Yea as long as they don't charge 160$ for a mini green helmet Ill be alright.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

If they release a special edition, I'll be buying that one. They'll more than likely charge more than its worth, but I'll buy it just to help Konami for keeping it a PS3 exclusive.

....what?

See now you've gone and made chuck norris mad.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/1185687729975.gif

[Sephiroth_VII]

I love those gifs, haha!

^^You're saying you wouldn't pay 160 USD for a special edition containing Snake's bandana? SHAME ON YOU!!!!

[Jay Gee]

Uhh, I'm saying that's EXACTLY what I'd do. I'm also saying that the contents of those "Special Edition" versions of games cost less to set up than what they sell them for. And in MGS4's (and KZ2, for that matter, if they release a SE version) case, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

*returns to Uncharted*

[Sephiroth_VII]

I hope you detected the sarcasm in my post.

[Jay Gee]

That post was more a clarification to the posters above you about my stance on "Special Edition" versions of games. Nothing against you at all, fella.

[julps31]

Lmao @ that gif...classic. Haha...

[Diresu]

I love those gifs, haha!

^^You're saying you wouldn't pay 160 USD for a special editing containing Snake's bandana? SHAME ON YOU!!!!

Only if it gives me infinite ammo.

[LiquidEagle]

Only if it gives me infinite ammo.

Only if you can survive electro-shock torture/interrogation :-p

[Shadow Voa]

Infinite ammo? Real men do it with CQC!!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

On the streets gangs talk about big boss like a ghost.

"Yo I heard dat mug beat down 10 armed men wit' his bare hands!"
"Now that's gangsta."

[Shadow Voa]

Cleaning up crime too? He's not a hero... never was

[Diresu]

Only if you can survive electro-shock torture/interrogation :-p

Hehee...I dunno I am more worried about the running around naked part... =(

[section]

Just finished Metal Gear Solid and wow, now I finally understand something about MGS4 trailers :)

Easily the best MGS game so far for and one of the best overall game experiences for me, took about 14 hours to finish on normal difficulty.
Almost 10 years late but better than never :)

Man there were a few hair pullingly frustrating moments though, Vulcan Raven took some 7 continues and Rex something near 10. But as with all MGS series bosses they are quite easy when you finally catch the idea and the rhythm of their doings.

[LiquidEagle]

Nice, so you've played MGS2 & 3 already?

[julps31]

Just finished Metal Gear Solid and wow, now I finally understand something about MGS4 trailers :)

Easily the best MGS game so far for and one of the best overall game experiences for me, took about 14 hours to finish on normal difficulty.
Almost 10 years late but better than never :)

Man there were a few hair pullingly frustrating moments though, Vulcan Raven took some 7 continues and Rex something near 10. But as with all MGS series bosses they are quite easy when you finally catch the idea and the rhythm of their doings.You should be ashamed. Lol..j/k. Its funny people play MGS 9 years after it was released and it still has the same effect. That shows you how great a game it is. So many memorable moments and characters in that game. Definantly a classic.

[curryking1]

Yesss!!! Go section!!!

I only played MGS1 a year ago now, and it's my top five games easily. All my top five games are on the PS1 hehehe

<3 PS1 :)

^So true man, MGS1 is timeless in every sense of the word. A true classic if there ever was one. The concepts, gameplay, presentation; all perfection.

[Kartoffelkind]

<3 PS1 :)

^So true man, MGS1 is timeless in every sense of the word. A true classic if there ever was one. The concepts, gameplay, presentation; all perfection.

word, man! At not only MGS1 is...the whole console is timeless!

I also played MGS a few months ago for the first time, after i bought it...few days later MGS2 and MGS3, and now i understand y everybody loves it..there is no way not to love this game/these games..cant wait for MGS4 to come out Oo.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

While forcing TrueVCU to play through MGS (to bring him up to speed on the mythology and why I'm one of the top ten Hideo Kojima dick-riders (not ashamed to say it)), our friend Brian was watching, who'd never been exposed to the game, and he was blown away. In the sense that, he'd never been privy to that kind of a game in the PSone days, sure maybe on PS2, but he was astonished at the level of story telling and gameplay sophistication in a PSone game. That game was ahead of its time.

[Jay Gee]

The only other type of story on a PSX game that floored me was Final Fantasy Tactics. There were a few others, but that one stands out as starkly as MGS does.

[Fats]

Metal Gear Solid is the only game that I can genuinely go back to and play and gain instant satisfaction from, regardless of how much time has passed. Go back and play without nitpicking at the outdated graphics, or the fact that Snake doesn't have a mouth. It just doesn't matter in the slightest. It's just so engrossing on every single play though, and when it's ended, you want to do it again. Without a doubt the single greatest God damn game ever made.

There. I said it.

[Jay Gee]

Yeah, Snake doesn't have a mouth. Neither does Optimus Prime. Guess what? THEY'RE BOTH AWESOME.




P.S.
Bay Formers Optimus Prime doesn't count. Sry.;)

[VideoGame mania]

Why you say it's coming in November, has Konami confirmed it ?

[curryking1]

The mouths in the Transformers movie put me off.... Optimus Prime DOESN'T HAVE A ***KING MOUTH! He's a robot, he can use a god damn speaker, jeez.

Metal Gear Solid is the only game that I can genuinely go back to and play and gain instant satisfaction from, regardless of how much time has passed. Go back and play without nitpicking at the outdated graphics, or the fact that Snake doesn't have a mouth. It just doesn't matter in the slightest. It's just so engrossing on every single play though, and when it's ended, you want to do it again. Without a doubt the single greatest God damn game ever made.

There. I said it.

I agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeh. Anywhere I drop myself in this game, ultimate. Ulti-***king-mate.

In my opinion as well, it is in fact the best thing in gaming period. I have my favourites, but to choose one single thing in gaming that is just 'the mother ***king best ***t ever,' the best thing that has been created in gaming.... it would no doubt be Metal Gear Solid.

Just look how sexy that name is even.

Metal Gear Solid

***K! Sexy...

[LiquidEagle]

Yeah... MGS fucking rules...

[Smokey]

Metal Gear Solid is the only game that I can genuinely go back to and play and gain instant satisfaction from, regardless of how much time has passed. Go back and play without nitpicking at the outdated graphics, or the fact that Snake doesn't have a mouth. It just doesn't matter in the slightest. It's just so engrossing on every single play though, and when it's ended, you want to do it again. Without a doubt the single greatest God damn game ever made.

There. I said it.

[TrueVCU]

Yeah... MGS fucking rules...

quoted for spiritual truth

[Jasonps3]

A Legendary Game that gamespot gave it a 8.5 or around there. I can still remember when I tried to find Meyrl Codec Frequency and Campbell said to look on the back on the CD Case on the back of the Game's CD Case there was Meryl Codec Frequency. Very creative Hideo.

[PUNK em 733]

*SNEAKS IN THROUGH BACK DOOR*


:look:


GOW is the best game


:uhh:


*RUNS THE HELL OUT OF THREAD*

[Smokey]

Crap

[LiquidEagle]

A Legendary Game that gamespot gave it a 8.5 or around there. I can still remember when I tried to find Meyrl Codec Frequency and Campbell said to look on the back on the CD Case on the back of the Game's CD Case there was Meryl Codec Frequency. Very creative Hideo.

Yeah... Gamespot fucking sucks...

In a strange twist, that Jeff Gerstmann guy who reportedly got fired for giving Kane & Lynch a "poorly toned" review at Gamespot was the same jackass who gave MGS an 8.5!! Rejoice! :)

[Red_Eyes]

Yeah... Gamespot fucking sucks...

In a strange twist, that Jeff Gerstmann guy who reportedly got fired for giving Kane & Lynch a "poorly toned" review at Gamespot was the same jackass who gave MGS an 8.5!! Rejoice! :)

Was he the one that gave Ratchet and Uncharted low scores too?

[Jay Gee]

No, that was some other douche. It was Aaron Thomas, IIRC. Ryan Davis was the limp wrist who gave Uncharted an 8.0.

[BruceWayneIII]

^ so there still no hope :)

[masteratt]

He clearly lives 20 years in the future and occasionally comes back to present time to review PS3 games which obviously doesn't meet his standards.

[LiquidEagle]

The future has no identity crisis!

[section]

Yeah, finished MGS2 on PS2 first, then MGS3 on PS3 and now MGS which I enjoyed the most. MGS3 is the second best for me at the mo'. Haven't even thought of portable ops yet but now I supposedly must obtain that too.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Yes, you must ;)

[jako]

Nice video of "Metal Gear In The Matrix Shell"

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/144158.html

[curryking1]

Yeah, finished MGS2 on PS2 first, then MGS3 on PS3 and now MGS which I enjoyed the most. MGS3 is the second best for me at the mo'. Haven't even thought of portable ops yet but now I supposedly must obtain that too.

:O, same order as me. I liked MGS1 the best as well.

[masteratt]

Yeah the general list of awesomeness would go:

MGS1
MGS3
MGS2

[section]

I initially started MGS1 on PS2 but didn't realize until tried to save for the first time it needs a PS1 memory card :P

With PS3 I didn't even have to think of playing it through on one go :)

What was your favourite character/boss? I do love Psycho Mantis but Ninja/Grey Fox is just on par on the mad coolness level.

[julps31]

Man..all the bosses were amazing in MGS. I think my fav had to be psycho mantis...or Revolver ocelet...er. Maybe vulcan raven lol. But seriously I don't know if i could choose lol. Man i love the first time you meet with grey fox (after the slaughter..you know what i'm talkin about if you played it). That part was baaaad asss...

[Smokey]

Man i love the first time you meet with grey fox (after the slaughter..you know what i'm talkin about if you played it). That part was baaaad asss...
oooh yeah

[curryking1]

Grey Fox was ***king mindblowing.

All the computers getting destroyed, all the windows being totally smashed, Gray Fox frigging flying all over the place.

I mean.... seriously, it's like the most epic one on one, man to man, mano e mano (sp?), in your face battle. ***king hardcore MGS-age right there.

It's hard to really pick just one... they played all so awesomely.... I might give it to Psycho Mantis but only ever because of the 1-->2 player thing.

His thing all around was wicked too though, having to use his vision to cross check where he is if you lose him or he's invisible, that battle was fun as hell. And so was the map you battle Raven in, the huge crates getting destroyed, that battle was damn ***king awesome. God... all too good.

MGS wins all.

[LiquidEagle]

I actually decided I like Snake Eater more than MGS1... After talking with my friends about all the different things we did in all these different parts, and after going over the story again and just taking in the amazing graphics & abilities, my heart was won over :)

[Smokey]

:susp:

[Segitz]

I actually decided I like Snake Eater more than MGS1... After talking with my friends about all the different things we did in all these different parts, and after going over the story again and just taking in the amazing graphics & abilities, my heart was won over :)

I agree,

MGS3 has such an incredible storyline paired with amazing visuals. For me, Subsistance is a 10/10 (Snake Eater only 9.5 because the camera annoys me).

[Nameless]

The lastest MGS4 news is very exciting, because we will now get MGS4 & MGO in one package!


Since the announcement of Metal Gear Online, it’s been left unclear whether or not it would be released as a standalone title or bundled together with Metal Gear Solid 4. It’s only common sense that the two should be paired together, but early talk didn’t seem to suggest that they would be.
Well, the January ‘08 issue of the new PlayStation: The Official Magazine (formerly PSM) was just dropped off in my mailbox headlined on the cover with exclusive confirmation that MGS4 and MGO are in fact being integrated into one value-packed MGS experience for the PS3. Hurray!

The news comes as part of the magazine’s “Top 10 Games of ‘08″ cover story, with MGS4 obviously sneaking away with the #1 spot. Beyond the exciting news of the MGS4/MGO merger, there are some other details revealed about MGO too, including word that it’ll support up to 16 players in modes like Deathmatch, Team Deathmatch, King of the Hill and Team Sneak on five “Starter Pack” maps.

Character customization sounds like a point of emphasis for the title too, with the article stating that players will be able to customize their characters with up to three special skills (they sound very similar to the perks in Call of Duty 4), and that skills and weapons will level up over the course of play. There’s plenty more discussed as well, so keep an eye out on news stands and pick up a copy to read up on all the details, or if you have a subscription be on the lookout for your issue to arrive anytime now.


Source: http://www.vgblogger.com/?p=2233
*I know it's a blog and we will have to wait for the article & Konami's confirmation...*

Hell Yeah!
http://i12.tinypic.com/8axnlg5.gif

[Segitz]

Yeah, but other "reputable" (not Gamespot^^) confirm this story, so...

I will kick your asses in MGO :D

[Smokey]

i dont think ill ever play MGS online

[Diresu]

Grey Fox was ***king mindblowing.

All the computers getting destroyed, all the windows being totally smashed, Gray Fox frigging flying all over the place.

I mean.... seriously, it's like the most epic one on one, man to man, mano e mano (sp?), in your face battle. ***king hardcore MGS-age right there.

It's hard to really pick just one... they played all so awesomely.... I might give it to Psycho Mantis but only ever because of the 1-->2 player thing.

His thing all around was wicked too though, having to use his vision to cross check where he is if you lose him or he's invisible, that battle was fun as hell. And so was the map you battle Raven in, the huge crates getting destroyed, that battle was damn ***king awesome. God... all too good.

MGS wins all.

Yea that Gray Fox fight is my all-time favorite boss fight. I will never forgot the one specific line from that fight.

"Hurt me more...Make me feel alive again!"

Just the way he says it, and the power behind it was something that gave me goosebumps when I hear it.

[GTAce]

That news is... old or isnt it?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

no it's new. MGO was originally gonna be a seperate game.

[satriales]

Last we heard, MGS4 will include a taster of MGO. Until we get confirmation I'm inclined to believe that is still the case.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well, yeah, it was gonna come with some starter content. But this article is saying the whole shibang will be in it.

[GTAce]

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1689423&postcount=3888

Yeah thats what i mean.^^

[³¹¹]

This is great news. I'm glad that I'll be getting the full version (or whatever wasn't originally planned) on day one. I just hope that it comes out before RB62.

I fucking can't wait for this game.

And on another note, my MGS kubricks finally arrived from Play-Asia! They are so adorable. I got Old Snake, new Raiden and Solid Snake (3x). So I plan on selling the two Solid Snakes to get my money back.

[LiquidEagle]

Well, yeah, it was gonna come with some starter content. But this article is saying the whole shibang will be in it.

It still says "Starter Pack" :(

[Jay Gee]

Whatever we get (Full game/Starter Pack), it won't be played until I beat the SP at least twice.

[Handycrap101]

*MGO Aficionado enters*

Good news. I absolutely need this issue to figure out some more info though.

[LiquidEagle]

I need it to add to my collection of magazines with MGS on the cover :-p

[Handycrap101]

I need it to add to my collection of magazines with MGS on the cover :-p

I have a mildly impressive collection of MGS cover mags but my most prized issue is this one:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/BILLSRULES101/scancover.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/BILLSRULES101/scan1.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/BILLSRULES101/scan2.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/BILLSRULES101/scan3.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/BILLSRULES101/scan4.png
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/BILLSRULES101/scan5.png

It brings back so many memories... :(

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Remember ye not the former things. Nor consider the things of old.
Behold, I will do a new thing.

















MGS4/ONLINE!!!!

[³¹¹]

I hope we get the same boxart as the japenese version. I've always thought they've had better stuff.

[FantasyGhost]

Official Playstation magazine preview.
Jan 2008 issue
All questions answered?
After trailers, teasers, and countless printed column inches and disposable digital coverage you’d think we were all fully apprised of what to expect from Metal Gear Solid 4. But be it the cryptic information of dance of genius director Hideo Kojima keeping us constantly unbalanced or a simple case of being lost in translation, even some of the franchise’s most hardcore fans couldn’t definitively put a finger on how MGS4 would play.
We know how it will look, As a frontline PS3 showstopper, MGS4 has with every showing elevated itself to the position of bona fide system seller. Enthusiasts still wanting to jump on the Playstation bandwagon cite MGS4 as the tipping game. How can you not? Solid Snake, hair flecked grey by time and the accelerated aging of his cloned heritage is probably the biggest hero on the Playstation. Those teasers also introduced series characters that will play a role in this spiritual sequel to metal gear Solid 2.
As the announced final game in the metal gear series, associate producer Ryan Payton confirmed to us that the claim that Guns of the Patriots would answer every unresolved question was absolutely deadly serious. What if MGS4 is your first Metal gear game? Will this information fly over your head? Possibly, but the presentation should allow you to stay clued into the big picture progress. For series veterans, when a past scene is conjured in the story, you can hold down a button to view a quick scene from the original game. So when you hear about Metal Gear Rex, you’ll have access to flashback that plays from the earlier MG game to provide background to your current situation. You should be prepared to sit back and watch the action unfold in several areas, as the cinematic cutscenes are currently estimated as running a full four hours. ”it’s definitely more than MGS3,” Payton confirmed.

Hands-on playtest. Oh. Yes.
Making progress is a big deal for MGS4. For the first time, you’ll be pointed to your current mission objective on-screen. In part that’s a response to the vast world being potentially unwieldy as you manage so many skills, moves, and even remote mechanical devices. Your Octocamo suit lets you blend into any surface. It’s completely seamless as you control Snake’s movement, ducking behind cover, and blending to a patterned tile finish. Some 300 surface textures ensures that Snake’s suit will be well stocked with chameleon abilities come the conclusion of the game. (While Ryan Payton’s job as Associate Producer sounds awesome, filled with critical gameplay responsibility, he also has to name all 300 surface textures individually since once stored in the Octocamo they can be called on for whatever situation you’re in to provide critical cover.)
During our playtest we faced off against several enemies. They flanked, sought cover, and frankly provided the kind of challenge that gamers may well appreciate for its realism, but required all new level of awareness from us to be effective in tight situations. But then the moment occurred that sold us beyond any trailer, PR spiel, or even past familiarity could deliver.
Though hidden behind cover, our position was blown. The grenade that sailed to within a few feet was just additional detritus. So when it exploded, propelling us several feet into a prostate state of being dazed, injured, and mostly dead, the shock factor was sufficient to freeze our movements. Good job. If we’d flicked the analog stick just a smidge we’d have alerted the approaching guards that our feigned death state was more feign than death. Our breath held as tight as our lungs would allow, the guards approached, and spotting our prone body, crouched and swiped a hand over this apparent mass of worm fodder. It was magic. Confirming to their superiors that the threat was neutralized, we could jump behind cover, and plan some major payback.
Seriously, we dare you to move in that situation. It was intense, stylish and utterly realistic as animations kicked in that we didn’t even imagine they existed. With 200 staffers on the project, it’s absolutely evident where the work of the thirty animators was well utilized.

Ready for Launch
Payton had to rerecord a few lines of dialogue to direct players on how to deal with certain challenges. An armored Striker comes into view, and so many gamers at Tokyo game Show started lobbing grenades at it that it was clear better messaging was needed for Snake to know that this tactic wouldn’t work. But such is the complexity of MGS4’s gameplay that we’re not surprised it has required additional time to be readied for perfection. Just jumping into the game worlds, meeting with the PMC allies that you can fight alongside, trading weapons with them to ensure the good guys are always as well stocked as possible, is a deep, intense experience.
We’re waiting for all those questions to be answered. And as we wait we can tell you that MGS4 plays with such amazing acuity that the addition of MGO to the main product is merely an icing on the cake that’s cooking in the hands of such talented chefs that we have no doubt their talents will shine come release day. No doubt, no question, no argument: Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (even before the metal gear Online addition) was out top choice for “must have” of 2008, and the integration of the online element simply serves to enhance that position. Pre-order. Now.Some more MGS4 from this forum (http://www.360indians.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7&st=380&p=58150&#entry58150)

[Sephiroth_VII]

:drool:

Do I even have to say this? +REP!!!

[masteratt]

Finally some worthy new info!
Excellent read.

Oh MGS4, how we want you.
And I might buy three copies just to show my appreciation for Hideo's loyalty.

[Jay Gee]

I want the Super Special Mega Rare Ultra Limited Edition with authentic blood/urine/stool samples from Hideo Kojima himself. Retail price? DOES IT FUCKING MATTER?!?!?!

[³¹¹]

Let's see what this new podcast has to say...

[Diresu]

Let's see what this new podcast has to say...

Apparently the "sell a million on day one" was a misquote.

[Jay Gee]

LOL Let the backpeddling begin. I'll listen to this comedy tonight. The game WILL sell a million on day one, but to hear him say it in that context was kind of disheartening. So it was either a misquote for the sake of a FUDticle, or he actually said it and not a damn thing was taken out of context.

[VG Aficionado]

*doesn't read thread*

My new ringtone: the codec! (http://www.megaupload.com/es/?d=2X9GS9ND)

[Diresu]

LOL Let the backpeddling begin. I'll listen to this comedy tonight. The game WILL sell a million on day one, but to hear him say it in that context was kind of disheartening. So it was either a misquote for the sake of an FUDticle, or he actually said it and not a damn thing was taken out of context.

Its their policy not to talk about sales numbers so I will side with Ryan on this one.

[Bsack]

I have the Codec ringtone also and I've had it for quite a while now, but I have it for all the text messages I receive. It's awesome. =)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yep. Had that for a while now. Did it mah self!

[³¹¹]

I used to have Adium set with the MGS2 soundset, but it got really annoying. Not the MGS, but just that every little thing you do there would be a sound.

[LiquidEagle]

Yo! Ryan Payton sent me the picture of him & I from E For All when he was giving demonstrations & answering questions :-D

Notice the "Praying Mantis" to the right side as well... AWESOME!!

btw, Gamestop/EB stores just started taking reservations on MGS4, FINALLY. I've been checking daily for the past 8 months or so, and it's finally happened, while I'm on holiday! :laugh:

[chartwel]

i also hope to god they go all out for the special edition. we need every metal gear game to be included on the blu-ray disc, with the 20th anniversay video recap in HD, etc, etc, etc. that would be cool if they made the metal gear games in HD to, but i know there is no way that is happening.

[hidex]

i also hope to god they go all out for the special edition. we need every metal gear game to be included on the blu-ray disc, with the 20th anniversay video recap in HD, etc, etc, etc. that would be cool if they made the metal gear games in HD to, but i know there is no way that is happening.

I really hope they do have a special edition with every metal gear game. I only played snake eater. I was like holy shit this game is amazing. I need to play the others.

[Jay Gee]

I suggest starting with Solid when you do, cuz going from Sons of Liberty to Solid will be taking a LOT of abilities from Snake that way.

[Shogun042]

wait, if EB is taking pre orders they must have some general release date then right?

[BruceWayneIII]

wait, if EB is taking pre orders they must have some general release date then right?

no

[Gaul]

wait, if EB is taking pre orders they must have some general release date then right?

not at all. Its just a garuntee that when the game is released you will get your copy.

[hidex]

I suggest starting with Solid when you do, cuz going from Sons of Liberty to Solid will be taking a LOT of abilities from Snake that way.

Ya thats what I would do. I'm just hoping they give us a special edition with all the other games. lol My only problem is I hate buying used games so I haven't played any of the older ones.

When I went to eb they had one of those dvd cases with mgs4 but it only said coming soon. well something like that. I don't think there is any pre-orders yet.

[Jay Gee]

I only want a Special Edition of the game, so Konami had better have those ready to ship worldwide with the regular version as well.

Help me help you, Konami.

[chartwel]

I really hope they do have a special edition with every metal gear game. I only played snake eater. I was like holy shit this game is amazing. I need to play the others.

in all honesty there is no reason why these shouldnt be included in the game. they will all easily fit on a DL BR disc. and talk about giving people even more of a reason to spend the money on the game.