Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[Matt]

Oh that better be true!

Pleeease pleeease PLEEEEEEEEEASSE!

[Shadow Voa]

Logic Error; Suggest immediate reboot.

[TEEDA]

LoL i can see a 155 secondes demo limited in time....frustrating...LOL

[Diresu]

*head explodes*

[solidsnakejej]

I doubt it because Ryan said that they didn't want to take resources away from the actual game. It's most likely a video of the level they played.

[wotter]

Ryan said (GAF) they're wasn't going to be a demo. They want to spend all their time on the final game, so I really doubt that a demo will come. A 'final' trailer or so would be great though.

[masteratt]

Would you guys download the demo?

I wouldn't.
When I get the full game I don't want to go "Oh, bah. This is the bit I done in the demo."
In a game like MGS4, it matters to me.

[Sephiroth_VII]

I will, oh God I will. As long as there are no spoilers concerning the story, I'm game :hugegrin:

[Shadow Voa]

I would murder a small child for a demo, and then murder his entire family for the full game. And then attend the funeral with a bandanna and a smoke.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Cigar, ya' newb.

[Jay Gee]

Would you guys download the demo?

I wouldn't.
When I get the full game I don't want to go "Oh, bah. This is the bit I done in the demo."
In a game like MGS4, it matters to me.
I was thinking the same thing would happen with the Uncharted demo, but it didn't. I played through lights out up to the new part and wasn't bored at all.

[Diresu]

well if MGS2 demo is anything to go by, it won't really detract from the real game. Wasn't much of a spoiler in it so hopefully this would be the same.

[³¹¹]

The MGS3 demo was the same way, it didn't give away story but let you play through the first little bit. I just want to get the controls down so that when the game does launch I can be efficient and not have that learning curve.

Kojima is not that stupid to let us know what is going on from the demo.

But see the thing is, why aren't they releasing it? It's not that they have to prepare a demo, it's already been made! Just throw that thing up on the PSN and we'll rock it.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Demo in February?

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7730/mgs41xq7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/1196838936209.gif
Would you guys download the demo?

I wouldn't.
blah blah blah blah blah
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/0bRSjack_hitit.jpg

[masteratt]

Tsk tsk tsk.

Your lack of .gifs are starting to get to bad levels.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well what are you gonna do about it?
Yeah I thought so.

[masteratt]

Well I was going to link you to some new .gifs but fine.

Hmph!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

>_>
<_<
You wanna fight about it! Let's take it outside!


























Outside = PM.

[masteratt]

Let's talk about MGS4 instead.

Release date pleaaaaaaaaaaaase.

[PUNK em 733]

I would murder a small child for a demo, and then murder his entire family for the full game. And then attend the funeral with a bandanna and a smoke.



ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!

[KiLLA2006]

[off topic]all i can say is i wouldve murdered an entire family for the packers to lose, and well they did and i didnt even have to send an ounce of blood to the floor!
Go Patriots, But Bears are much better! Yea i said it![/off topic]

i would absolutely download a demo to get ready gameplay-wise to how i will approach the game, though its just a demo it will help me to get use to the controls and make the most of the main game!

[Sephiroth_VII]

The MGS3 demo was the same way, it didn't give away story but let you play through the first little bit. I just want to get the controls down so that when the game does launch I can be efficient and not have that learning curve.

Kojima is not that stupid to let us know what is going on from the demo.

But see the thing is, why aren't they releasing it? It's not that they have to prepare a demo, it's already been made! Just throw that thing up on the PSN and we'll rock it.

Bug testing. Wouldn't do the game any good if the demo kept freezing randomly when crouching.

[FantasyGhost]

Despite Ryan Payton already stating that Kojima Productions have no plans to release a demo of Metal Gear Solid 4 onto the Playstation network, Playstation World Magazine are reporting that a demo will indeed be available in Febuary. This is a UK magazine so the Feb date is most likely for the European Playstation Store.

>> Playstation World Scan

Thanks to TomEmo12 of Gametrailers for posting the scan.

Update:

I e-mailed the editor of PSW and asked him to confirm that this is true, and he replied that a Konami Rep confirmed that the build they played will be on PSN sometime in relation to the games release. If the game stays on track as Konami has said so far then it should arrive around Feb as the magazine states.

Original Reply:

"Hi,

At the time of writing the article a Konami rep told us a demo, the demo we played in our office for the magazine article, would be on the PSN Store. It's finished, we played it, so something should be appearing this month. It could all depend on the game's final on sale date, if it has moved to May then a demo could appear later, possibly February.

Keep checking the mag, or our website www.computerandvideogames.com.

Cheers,
Ian"

Now let's hope for Konami to say something to make it official.http://metalgearsolid4.net/2008/01/20/metal-gear-solid-4-demo-coming-to-the-playstation-network-next-month.html

[Sephiroth_VII]

:hugegrin:



:djparty::praise::djparty:

[Nameless]

If we see a demo in Feb I would expect a March launch!!! :djparty:

[Jay Gee]

I say wait until after the little tax break. Ppl who get a little something can buy the game, then put the rest in the bank.

[³¹¹]

Well I don't think they are ahead of schedule since the intro seems like it isn't finished yet (according to podcast 74 I believe), and besides March is not within that Q2 range.

[Epix]

Well I don't think they are ahead of schedule since the intro seems like it isn't finished yet (according to podcast 74 I believe), and besides March is not within that Q2 range.
According to Payton, the game is essentially complete. They're in the bug fixing/polishing state now, which with Kojima, could be a several month process in itself.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I'm sure putting a Kojima level of polish to the game will take debugging at least 2 or 3 months. It was like, 3 or 4 play throughs of MGS3 before I started seeing glitches in the enemy A.I., with little shit that would slip through quality control.

[EvilTaru]

I was hoping they would have an L1 aiming system similar to Uncharted where you L1-aim at the direction of where your camera is pointing so you're always aiming at what you're looking at, and you can detach character movement/direction character is facing from camera direction, that would make boss fights more manageable because you can always be looking at a boss or enemies even when you're running away but you also have the choice of looking in the same direction of where you're heading.

[Epix]

Update:

Ryan Payton, the man in charge of localizing the heavily anticipated Metal Gear Solid 4 for us English speaking audiences, has said time after time that Kojima Productions will not release a playable demo of MGS4. Payton insists that the time required to release a demo would be time away from completing the full game. That doesn’t stop fans from praying their will be one.

For a moment, it looked as if the millions of prayers had been answered. In the current issue of the UK gaming magazine Playstation World, they get some hands on time with a MGS4 demo. At the end of their preview, they say “Want more MGS4? Well, you’ll get it very soon. The stage played here will be out on the PSN store in the next month“. PS3 forums across the web have been on fire lately after the editor of PSW, Ian Dean, confirmed to MetalGearSolid4.net that this was indeed not a typo, and that the demo was slated to appear on the Playstation Network in February.

However, earlier today, MaxConsole contacted Konami and spoke with their public relations rep. They maintained that “We do not comment on speculation, I am afraid”, indicating that PSW’s confirmation was nothing more then speculation.

If you like to play the word twisting game, at least they didn’t specifically say there was no demo… Nonetheless, it looks like we are still in the dark on the issue. MGS fans, keep praying!http://exgn.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/mgs4-demo-debunked-again-well-sorta/

[³¹¹]

As much as I would love a demo, there are sooo many great games coming in the next months that will make time fly by. So it's not crucial that I get a demo but still, I really really want one.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Untill Ryan or Kojima comes out and says "no," I'll presume they changed their mind on the issue since the last time Ryan commented on it.


Of course Random PR Representative isn't going to comeout and confirm a demo without the blessing of the higher-ups.

[Zer0-Sum]

I don't want a demo, I want the full game. The full game that is polished till it gleams like the sun. Kojima will deliver. Patience my young Padawan's, patience...;)

[Kiosko]

Yeah I wouldn't like a demo for MGS4. When I had MGS3s demo I was going crazy for the full game.

[LiquidEagle]

I was hoping they would have an L1 aiming system similar to Uncharted where you L1-aim at the direction of where your camera is pointing so you're always aiming at what you're looking at, and you can detach character movement/direction character is facing from camera direction, that would make boss fights more manageable because you can always be looking at a boss or enemies even when you're running away but you also have the choice of looking in the same direction of where you're heading.

MGS4 has something very similar, I don't remember how it feels in comparison to Uncharted though.

BTW, Ryan Payton just mailed me some badass Kojima Productions logo stickers and a copy of Portable Ops Plus because it took him awhile to send me that photo we took at E For All. Such a cool guy! He must be ridiculously busy right now and the fact that he did that really shows quality :-D

[Jay Gee]

I wanna kick you in the balls so hard...

[GTAce]

Lucky bastard! :-p

Im so jealous, you cant imagine what i would give to have the contact to some specific game developers...

[Diresu]

So much ..hate....for Liquid...

[LiquidEagle]

lol you can kick me all you want, just know that Ryan Payton is a stand up guy :-D

[Zer0-Sum]

Wow Liquid, you got hooked up with some first rate swag. Supa kool!:thumbl: I too am jealous though.....:cry2:...can we have some too?

[GTAce]

lol you can kick me all you want, just know that Ryan Payton is a stand up guy :-D

The next time you mail with him say "greetings from GTAce from Germany". LOL

I think its awesome how the contact is with you and that he finds the time for this, respect!

[³¹¹]

ken i has stikr?

[LiquidEagle]

I'm too afraid to put the stickers on anything 'cause I don't want them to fade or peel off eventually, so for now it's going on the shrine. hehe

[tolkyn]

Surprised this wasn't posted yet

21 minute gameplay demo on Gamersyde (http://www.gamersyde.com/news_5819_en.html)

[Jay Gee]

The comments in there are classic: "Need to tighten up those graphics." "Splinter Cell looks better than this." But what they're actually saying is that "I need to downplay this game as much as possible because I know it's not coming to their shitty console of choice."

[Red_Eyes]

The comments in there are classic: "Need to tighten up those graphics." "Splinter Cell looks better than this." But what they're actually saying is that "I need to downplay this game as much as possible because I know it's coming to shitty console of choice."

It's as if they hope that by downplaying the game, they will convince MGS fans to not buy it and thus, result in the doom-ation of the PS3.

[Jay Gee]

Update your quote on me pwease. It's missing a few words.

[jako]

Surprised this wasn't posted yet

21 minute gameplay demo on Gamersyde (http://www.gamersyde.com/news_5819_en.html)

Nice find (+ rep) . domwloading it in HD in MP4.

[Epix]

Nice find (+ rep) . domwloading it in HD in MP4.

Upload to MegaUpload when you're done.

[³¹¹]

All these people playing the game on video are not cool. I understand that this guys is inverted (FTW btw) so he fucks up, but he also crawls like a million times and gets shot numerous times.

Can someone just play the demo and showcase it for those that can't play it instead of butchering it for us? Jesus.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah I think I'll save myself the trouble of watching someone play metal gear solid badly. It's bad enough watching my friends.

[cliffbo]

All these people playing the game on video are not cool. I understand that this guys is inverted (FTW btw) so he fucks up, but he also crawls like a million times and gets shot numerous times.

Can someone just play the demo and showcase it for those that can't play it instead of butchering it for us? Jesus.

what do you expect in a world of FPS... people are getting too impatient to actually play games these days, they just want to laugh out loud at a headshot and pretend they're real men when they do it (SAD!)

[Epix]

what do you expect in world of FPS... people are getting too impatient to actually play games these days, they just want to laugh out loud at a headshot and pretend they're real men when they do it (SAD!)Umm....that'sTactical Stealth Espionage thank you. Now go repent your sins.

[GTAce]

I think you completly missunderstood his pretty good post.

[cliffbo]

Umm....that'sTactical Stealth Espionage thank you. Now go repent your sins.

yes, but obviously the people who have been demoing MGS are FPS fanatics, that's why they have no idea how to play the damn thing

[Sephiroth_VII]

I think he meant to write "in a world of FPS," as in a world dominated by them.

[Epix]

Then I shall repent. Good Day.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

hey just a simple misunderstanding. Let's be friends!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/1189523283930.gif

[cliffbo]

this brings up an interesting point actually. we PS fans have been born and bread on MGS and we are fully aware of the demands of the game and how it's supposed to be played. now take your average xbox fan and you'll see they've been born and bread on gun-ho gameplay with running and gunning being their main strategy. this could be one reason that MGS never did that well on Xbox and another reason why kojima won't ever port this game over

[GTAce]

But it has FPS mode LOL provez teh MGSQUAD for teh threesixty....



Meh not funny anymore.

[cliffbo]

But it has FPS mode LOL provez teh MGSQUAD for teh threesixty....



Meh not funny anymore.

yes it has FPS mode, but the gameplay remains the same and demands patients not mindless meat-heads running around like silly children pretending to be men because they have virtually killed someone.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

But it has FPS mode LOL provez teh MGSQUAD for teh threesixty....



Meh not funny anymore.

On this we can agree.

[LiquidEagle]

The comments in there are classic: "Need to tighten up those graphics." "Splinter Cell looks better than this." But what they're actually saying is that "I need to downplay this game as much as possible because I know it's not coming to their shitty console of choice."

haha sounds like sarcasm to me, but I don't wanna bother watching the video to see if they're genuine...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

At some point you realize that some people don't want to be impressed, or are afraid to be impressed.

[GTAce]

On this we can agree.
Isnt it sad that even ironic jokes against something completly ridicioulous arent funny anymore?

Never mind i cant wait to see the other environments, i bet you will have to use specific stealth technics for every environment.

[cliffbo]

Isnt it sad that even ironic jokes against something completly ridicioulous arent funny anymore?

Never mind i cant wait to see the other environments, i bet you will have to use specific stealth technics for every environment.

LOL... irony can get you into a lot of trouble ;). i can't wait to creep around in the jungle sections of this game, i love all that sedate stealth stuff, it's soooooo rewarding

[LaLiLuLeLo]

EXACTLY. I like a few FPS games just fine, but MGS gameplay is so much more rewarding.

[curryking1]

Why is it that every time I see an MGS4 gameplay video I feel like breaking something?

"What's over there? Oh, it must be my imagination." "Who's that!?" "It's the enemy!"

Now why do the reactions of the enemies mirror that of those I saw in a PS2 game? They appear to walk, talk, and do the same things. They even animate the same. Even Snake's animations don't seem anything impressive. His crawl, walk, run, crouch walk... they all look almost second rate....

Is simply adding a ragdoll to the death animations super impressive? Looks rather ugly in my opinion except for in very few choice gifs we've seen.

'More wide open spaces, larger areas...'

Why does it simply look like MGS3 but with a 'wider' space? Is that supposed to be impressive? Is wider and more open and easier to run around like a headless chicken 'better?'

'More complicated environments...'

Really? I didn't noticed anything very complicated. I saw some stairs, some windows....

The whole schematic of everything I see of this game seems wrong. The whole graphics seem kind of unimpressive and in terms of art and atmosphere pretty far from their target; what happened to the crispness and dust and debris filling the view? Why wide? Why is wide so much better? Is it just because we're in third person view now? Why is the third person view so much better? I'm still not convinced that the third person view was the better move for Metal Gear.

Is more open for Metal Gear the better Metal Gear? Did Kojima really believe third person was the better way for the MGS series? Was Kojima convinced that no more could be done from a neo-isometric view point and that he achieved everything that could be done from that angle? Is MGS just magically so much better now because you can strafe sideways in a wide open street?

If he did think that, I think he may have made a big, big mistake. This third person stuff from here looks worse-than-cookie-cutter with a MGS overcoat.

Seriously, is this going to be a crappy version of Spinter Cell starring Solid Snake?

Has third person been added in MGS to sedate the ones who probably are least interested in MGS? To quiet down the people who don't even care for it's what it does or tries to achieve?

I just think something is really, really wrong and I'm praying it's just this first level fooling the crap out of me.

At least this is just the first level it seems like, and I'm still going to buy it. But it better not be just 'this.' When has it been? I don't know, but I'm still worried as hell.

cliffbo, stop saying stupid things about fans here and fans there and trying to act like you have a solution or even know how to fix a problem. I have a fun little wish that maybe someone would punch you in the face and take a picture of it and post it on here. And then punch you in the face again.

[cliffbo]

cliffbo, stop saying stupid things. I have a fun little wish that maybe someone would punch you in the face and take a picture of it and post it on here. And then punch you in the face again.

what the f**k Curry!? i'm actually saying very sensible things, you just don't understand them obviously. what you just said is SENSIBLE?

[GTAce]

Woah man whats up with ya dude?

[curryking1]

this brings up an interesting point actually. we PS fans have been born and bread on MGS and we are fully aware of the demands of the game and how it's supposed to be played. now take your average xbox fan and you'll see they've been born and bread on gun-ho gameplay with running and gunning being their main strategy. this could be one reason that MGS never did that well on Xbox and another reason why kojima won't ever port this game over

Yes cliffbo, you certainly are the genius. I mean, no 5 year old child could ever come up with this stuff.

^I dunno, I just saw this post, and I thought it was stupid....

So I thought I would say... it's stupid? :P

[cliffbo]

what do you expect in a world of FPS... people are getting too impatient to actually play games these days, they just want to laugh out loud at a headshot and pretend they're real men when they do it (SAD!)

yes, but obviously the people who have been demoing MGS are FPS fanatics, that's why they have no idea how to play the damn thing

this brings up an interesting point actually. we PS fans have been born and bread on MGS and we are fully aware of the demands of the game and how it's supposed to be played. now take your average xbox fan and you'll see they've been born and bread on gun-ho gameplay with running and gunning being their main strategy. this could be one reason that MGS never did that well on Xbox and another reason why kojima won't ever port this game over

yes it has FPS mode, but the gameplay remains the same and demands patients not mindless meat-heads running around like silly children pretending to be men because they have virtually killed someone.

LOL... irony can get you into a lot of trouble ;). i can't wait to creep around in the jungle sections of this game, i love all that sedate stealth stuff, it's soooooo rewarding

what's stupid about these Curry, pray tell

[cliffbo]

Yes cliffbo, you certainly are the genius. I mean, no 5 year old child could ever come up with this stuff.

^I dunno, I just saw this post, and I thought it was stupid....

So I thought I would say... it's stupid? :P

have you been drinking? i'm having a conversation with other people here and you come in here with that crap attitude for some unknown reason... in future could you please refrain from being so personal, it puts you down on this forum

edit: and what's with this genius stuff? are we to take it then that your opinion of the game is perfect? check yourself out before you attack me fella... really

[GTAce]

So I thought I would say... it's stupid? :P
Yeah man but your last paragraph was way to extreme and your whole post was very negative.
Dont be so rude man, i know you can do better. ;)

[Coded-Dude]

I think the game looks great.......how would you(curry) have Kojima change the gameplay.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/1188703022555.gif
Curryking, calm the fuck down, seriously what's with the outburst? The guys got like 30 rations, he's obviously playing it on Hella-Stupid-Easy.

[LiquidEagle]

Curry, just wait to play the game for yourself, man. This isn't MGS3 in the Middle East, not by a fucking longshot. There is so much to this game, and there is so much in the demo that when you play it, you'll know it's the real deal. I can understand your frustrations when you've only seen the same stupid area for the past year now (if not more), and the people playing it are morons, and this game gets trashed purely because of bias and rampant stupidity in the online gaming community, but when you hold this game in your hands -- trust me -- it will go way beyond anything you've ever expected from a video game :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

This is coming from a first hand witness. LiquidEagle's played it for himself. IF I could only somehow....steal his memories...

[curryking1]

I hope you guys aren't annoyed that I have some conflict with the game, it's just my opinion.

I'm not sure how I was negative? I just don't like it in the way I see it.

If you are annoyed at the way I lambasted cliffbo I'd be fine with that though.

^And I'm not white lol. I take that as offense :P

What is so wrong with my post about MGS? It's just.. what I thought, how should that impact your thoughts on the game or anger anyone else in anyway???

I'm not sure how my post was angry? I was just asking a lot of questions, I just don't like it. Why is that a bother and hostile to everyone? I didn't mean it to be.

I don't want to say it... but I think you guys are thinking it's hostile simply because it was in different opinion of that of the way MGS4 is...

I'm trying to kind of gather why my post was responded to in such a way.... The only thing I wrote in a hostile manner was to cliffbo, but that doesn't seem to be the focus of why everyone is questioning my post....

At least not all of you responded like I was a crazy man lol. Is it really that offensive that I don't really like what's going on with MGS4 from what I've seen so far? That really shouldn't be such a problem....

@Coded-Dude - I don't know how to be uber specific and I don't think I could be in words to describe all the things I don't like..

But I look at the gameplay and what I personally see is a lot of average, impersonal action gameplay.

What I would've dreamed up for MGS4 would be is something very close-up, Snake's body focused in a far smaller scale, a lot more human and personal, one on one encounters with enemies and messing with their minds and stuff.

That's what I 'wanted' I guess, I dunno.

And Liquid :P

Ya man, I'm still waiting on that of course like everyone else here, and I'm hoping you'll be right and it's the real deal. :)

[LiquidEagle]

There'll be opportunities for that, no doubt, but this demo's made to show off more of the firefights if anything, and this game made me jump twice while playing it... it's intense when you get caught :-p

[cliffbo]

If you are annoyed at the way I lambasted cliffbo I'd be fine with that though.

but why Curry, your post is far more aggressive and negative than anything that i posted. all i pointed out is that those that have been demoing it have obviosly got the wrong mentality for this game.

edit: and for the record, i don't give a damn if you don't like the game, all i'm concerned with is your uncalled for personal attack

[curryking1]

Cliffbo, I'd be very amazed if you had the capacity to point out anything hostile in my post except the last part towards... yourself.

If your definition of hostile is 'not liking parts of MGS4' and asking some arbitrary questions, then yes... my post was obscenely hostile and I am a terrible person for saying anything in conflict with MGS4's awesomeness.

[cliffbo]

Cliffbo, I'd be very amazed if you had the capacity to point out anything hostile in my post except the last part towards... yourself.

If your definition of hostile is 'not liking parts of MGS4' and asking some arbitrary questions, then yes... my post was obscenely hostile.

you don't like the game... who cares. i'll post what i didn't like just so that you can't switch this to try and make it look like i'm attacking you because of your opinion

cliffbo, stop saying stupid things about fans here and fans there and trying to act like you have a solution or even know how to fix a problem. I have a fun little wish that maybe someone would punch you in the face and take a picture of it and post it on here. And then punch you in the face again.

i think everyone on this forum would feel a little aggrieved at an attack like this. that's violence fella and very nasty...

[³¹¹]

Finally a Policy Switch?

No FPS. This is MGS.

[curryking1]

I think I just said I indeed was hostile towards you? I'm glad you could find and point out to everyone what I've already quite been happy to admit.

Notice the part... 'except the last part?' '...towards yourself?'

And I'm sorry I physically abused you over the internet.

Ok jokes aside though, honestly though, sorry. I just felt like adding that in at the end, and my bad. I shouldn't have, but I did, so... sorry. Ok?

XOXOXOXO

[cliffbo]

I think I just said I indeed was hostile towards you? I'm glad you could find and point out to everyone what I've already quite been happy to admit.

Notice the part... 'except the last part?' '...towards yourself?'

And I'm sorry I physically abused you over the internet.

Ok jokes aside though, honestly though, sorry. I just felt like adding that in at the end, and my bad. I shouldn't have, but I did, so... sorry. Ok?

XOXOXOXO

well now you've spat your dummy out, perhaps the rest of us could carry on chatting amicably

[cliffbo]

Finally a Policy Switch?

No FPS. This is MGS.

good point! perhaps that is exactly why he coined that phrase

[GTAce]

Im sorry curry but youre acting like an ass at this moment and i know you can better which makes me pretty sad, no personal attack in here btw. i still think youre a cool guy.
But you 2 should make that via PM because this is a freakin' MGS4 thread and an MGS4 thread doesnt deserve that (i fear LaLis sandwiches).

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Doubting Kojima was mistake number 1!

[Segitz]

Please ladies... stop it, or I will call you girls names from now on!


Back on topic... this video that is


First, I'd like to point out, the dude who played it, was indeed not much of an MGS gamer. He killed on purpose, which is not the sense of this game (at least, I think it is not^^). He had some serious troubles with the controls which made everything quite jerky and "unwatchable".

What I found a bit sad/bad is, that there's no self shadowing at all in this game. It makes it look less good. The cutscene with MG MKII showed this to great detail. Snake "stood out" of the environment somehow. At least the touched up the motion capture in terms of face movement and lipsyncing. Still a bit stiff, but much better than before.

[³¹¹]

I don't really know what you mean. Explain what I should be looking at and when during the Mk II.

[Segitz]

I don't really know what you mean. Explain what I should be looking at and when during the Mk II.

When the MKII cutscene starts, I felt that Snake "stood out" of the environment, as if he was plastered onto it (he was less dark than the rest of the room). It's hard to describe, but old games often had this, if the lighting system between the environment and characters was disconnected.

Maybe it's just me (as always^^) or this gets remedied later on, but I thought this looked quite bad (but the rest was rather nice^^ Gotta love Snake, that he finally learned how to bend over^^)

[Shadow Voa]

cliffbo, stop saying stupid things about fans here and fans there and trying to act like you have a solution or even know how to fix a problem. I have a fun little wish that maybe someone would punch you in the face and take a picture of it and post it on here. And then punch you in the face again.

LMFAO HAHAHAHA!!!! That actually made me tear up

what the f**k Curry!? i'm actually saying very sensible things, you just don't understand them obviously. what you just said is SENSIBLE?

You do have a dendancy to piss people off, me personally I dont like you either since you are the cause of all the wrong in the world and the derailing of this beautiful MGS4 thread, and for that I can never forgive you.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

alright drop it. Voa, you're late.

[Shadow Voa]

Roger that, I was busy reading the manual about scenarios like this one.

[OmniCloud]

I like MGS:pleased:

[dnpmakkah]

I wonder what the music will be like. I love Snake Eater in MGS3...do you guys think we will hear that type of music or something completely different? Everytime I heard Snake Eater it made me so sad, but that's what made the game that much better.

[Shadow Voa]

I want the music from the first TGS trailer. The one with all "No Virtue.. No Vice" etc in the trailer.

[O.D.S]

I wonder what the music will be like. I love Snake Eater in MGS3...do you guys think we will hear that type of music or something completely different? Everytime I heard Snake Eater it made me so sad, but that's what made the game that much better.

Well Harry Gregson-Williams is still doing the musical score so it should atleast be on par (or even exceed) MGS3's music

[cliffbo]

i can't wait to see this game played properly.

[³¹¹]

Segitz, that is what I thought you meant.

As far as the music goes, I think for the most part it can be summed up with that one acoustic version of the main theme. This played during one of the first trailers, I think that one where Snake says 'war has changed' every other word.

[cliffbo]

Segitz, that is what I thought you meant.

As far as the music goes, I think for the most part it can be summed up with that one acoustic version of the main theme. This played during one of the first trailers, I think that one where Snake says 'war has changed' every other word.

is that the same music as when he runs across the bridge in the rain, throws off his rain coat and dives off the edge?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

No. Not even kind of the same songs, actually.

[cliffbo]

No. Not even kind of the same songs, actually.

could someone post that tune up, i can't recall it :)

[cliffbo]

new pics!?

http://www.xgn.nl/ps3/screenshots/357/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/

[³¹¹]

Sadly no. They are from the most recent trailer on the PSN. But seem to be suffering from some colour problem.

[³¹¹]

What a brutal fucking podcast.

[Fats]

Okay, I'm going out on a limb here and deciding that these haven't been posted. Moar to follow!

[Fats]

Moar as promised!

[Fats]

One moar!

[³¹¹]

I'm too lazy to get back to the previous page where someone asked if those were new and they're not. They were taken from the latest trailer and something terrible happened to them making them take on greenish/filtered look.

Are they new screenshots? Yes. Screenshots of new material? No.

[Fats]

Thought as much. :lol:

[julps31]

Those screens look sexay lol. Nevermind the green filter...lord knows MGS2 had an overall bluish tint to it. And it worked perfectly for that atmosphere.

[³¹¹]

Another boring podcast...

with the exception that the BATB unit will be getting some background information throughout the game. The ratio of background information is said to be more than MGS3's bosses but less than MGS2. Ryan also said that it is not really like straight up Crying Wolf telling you her story but like in codecs, cutscenes and stuff other people say.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Podcasts are stupid because it's not like they have something worth talking about every week. Yet there they are, talking about nothing anyway, because there's only so much they're allowed to tell us in the first place about the game we're there to hear about. It's just a waste of life.

[cliffbo]

Podcasts are stupid because it's not like they have something worth talking about every week. Yet there they are, talking about nothing anyway, because there's only so much they're allowed to tell us in the first place about the game we're there to hear about. It's just a waste of life.

pointless jibberjabber, cliquey asides and vacuous commentary

[AlanZ]

People! can any tell me how many countries/places or regions the snake will do adventure in mgs4?

[masteratt]

Five.

Was that a quiz or were you really asking?

[AC!D]

Five.

Was that a quiz or were you really asking?

I thought it was three are you sure?
South America, the middle East and somewhere the developers wont mention yet.

[solidsnakejej]

They said that it's south America, Middle East, eastern Europe and two others they have yet to announce.

[AC!D]

Ok thanx.

[Sephiroth_VII]

And one of them will without a doubt be Shadow Moses island. Maybe the last one will be Zanzibar Land?

[LiquidEagle]

And one of them is will without a doubt be Shadow Moses island. Maybe the last one will be Zanzibar Land?

Definitely a good guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like NYC -- who knows what that city's like after Arsenal Gear crashing into it, not to mention the US probably doesn't have the military clout it formerly had with PMCs on the rise. Whatever the 5th location is, I'm sure it'll be special (as if Shadow Moses wouldn't/won't be special enough :-D)

[cliffbo]

Movie Preview: Metal Gear Solid (2009/10)

By Richard Mooney

Snake?..Snake, come in! Snaaaaaake!


Metal Gear Solid

The Metal Gear Solid (MGS) series has a cult status amongst gamers that few videogames have achieved.

Created by Japanese games guru Hideo Kojima back in 1987 on the NES(Nintendo Entertainment System) as Metal Gear, the series started off as an 8-bit stealth game and has evolved into one of the most pioneering videogames on the planet.

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is scheduled for a release this year on the PS3 and looks set to be one of the most amazing gaming experiences ever created.

Back in May 2006 Hideo Kojima announced that an film adaptation of MGS was in development.


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About a year later in February 2007 it was announced that Sony Pictures bought the rights to the movie and their vice chairman, Yair Landau, said that the biggest challenge for the studio would be translating the epic scale of the MGS series to the silver screen.

Hideo Kojima said in late 2004 that in terms of story, a movie version of MGS must stand on its own and have its own story away from the video games.

It’s no secret that the MGS storylines are some of the most complex and intriguing in videogame history. The stories centre around Solid Snake, a former soldier of the Elite US special Ops team, Foxhound and his battles against the different incarnations of ‘Metal Gear’.

A ‘Metal Gear’ is bi-pedal walking tank with the ability to launch nuclear warheads. The ‘Metal Gears’ usually fall into the hands of terrorists and it is from here the storylines kick off.

Despite sounding clichéd the storylines do delve far deeper than you would think for a video game. They explore the nature of war, several philosophical themes, censorship and genetic engineering amongst other things.

If the movie is to be anything like the videogame, it will probably follow the same story structure. This could lead to several large scale military battles and a climactic skirmish between Snake and the ‘Metal Gear’. The Metal Gear is essentially a giant robot and would most likely be recreated using CGI in a fashion similar to 2007’s Transformers.

In terms of casting nothing has been set in stone, but Batman actor Christian Bale was widely thought to be playing Solid Snake. These rumours as of yet, have not been confirmed.

David Hayter, the voice actor of Solid Snake in MGS and the screenplay writer of the first two X-Men films, penned a treatment for the movie that was described as a digital Apocalypse Now. However Sony Pictures snubbed this and, as of yet, there is no actual writer attached to the project.

Videogame movies do not have a pretty past. Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Super Mario Bros, the Resident Evil franchise are all but to name a few of the flops. Fans have come to cringe at their naff one-liners and badly put together production sets. Let’s hope that whatever happens with the intended MGS movie that its blockbuster potential is realised and Uwe Boll doesn’t get his hands on it.

http://icscotland.icnetwork.co.uk/whatson/whatson2/tm_headline=movie-preview-metal-gear-solid-2009-10&method=full&objectid=20467364&siteid=50141-name_page.html#story_continue

[LiquidEagle]

Is there supposed to be news in there? I don't see a single bit of new information...

Man I really hope Christian Bale is Solid Snake though... and I still want to be Johnny Sasaki just for kicks :-p

[Sephiroth_VII]

Please god, let this happen, and let it be good....

[LiquidEagle]

With Christopher Nolan directing, Christian Bale starring, and music by Harry Gregson-Williams (or Michael Giacchino), this movie would be destined for absolute greatness.

It kinda sucks now that I think of it, but Heath Ledger would have made a great Liquid/Master Miller too IMO.

[Goki]

I wouldnt call RE movies a flop, not a LOTR success but dfntly not a flop.

[Passive]

hmm weird how everyone is wanting Bale for snake :P When Kolima said in an interview he'd like Viggo Mortenson as him (imo i agree with the master, viggo is a better actor and has the face for it)

and as far as nolan for director? I'd say no to that aswell seeming as he's not much of a veteran director and no offence but the few films he's made arent all that amazing.to be honest id rather none other than kojima to direct. seriously i dont want spielberg i dont want vebeski or Doug Liman. because i just dont trust anyone but Kojima with making a movie about my all time favourite game series.

[³¹¹]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/174563.html


As much as I watch the variations of these, I still smile. Hopefully this hasn't been posted yet.

[Red_Eyes]

to be honest id rather none other than kojima to direct.

I concurred.

[Smokey]

hmm weird how everyone is wanting Bale for snake :P When Kolima said in an interview he'd like Viggo Mortenson as him (imo i agree with the master, viggo is a better actor and has the face for it)

and as far as nolan for director? I'd say no to that aswell seeming as he's not much of a veteran director and no offence but the few films he's made arent all that amazing.to be honest id rather none other than kojima to direct. seriously i dont want spielberg i dont want vebeski or Doug Liman. because i just dont trust anyone but Kojima with making a movie about my all time favourite game series.

Because Bale is the best pick.... no questions :)

and LiquidEagle i agree about Heath too

[LiquidEagle]

hmm weird how everyone is wanting Bale for snake :P When Kolima said in an interview he'd like Viggo Mortenson as him (imo i agree with the master, viggo is a better actor and has the face for it)

Viggo would definitely be a good Snake, and he's a great actor (not as versatile/dedicated as Bale IMO, have you seen the Machinist, American Psycho, and 3:10 to Yuma?), but Kojima also qualified his pick of Mortensen by saying he's a little too old for the role now (something along those lines, that isn't verbatim). btw, who's "Kolima?" :-p

and as far as nolan for director? I'd say no to that aswell seeming as he's not much of a veteran director and no offence but the few films he's made arent all that amazing.to be honest id rather none other than kojima to direct. seriously i dont want spielberg i dont want vebeski or Doug Liman. because i just dont trust anyone but Kojima with making a movie about my all time favourite game series.

Not a Nolan fan? You have my condolences :-p I think Nolan has more than proven himself as a fantastically solid director and writer, especially with complex plots that skip around through points in time (Memento, The Prestige, Batman Begins), pretty much all of his films handle backstory and making things relevant with the flow of a story. Also, adaptation-wise, Nolan has truly brought Batman to his prime... as my brother says, "He just gets it." He's got a great ear/eye for how things are to play out and how to bring somebody as iconic as Batman to the movie screen and really make it work. On top of that (this is sounding more and more like a love-letter to Christopher Nolan :laugh:), all of Nolan's films have impeccable casting. Namely Christian Bale & Michael Caine :-p

Anyways, talking other directors, I definitely can't see Gore Verbinski doing this, and Doug Liman may do a good job, Spielberg would do a good job just because he's really really good, but it wouldn't have that MGS touch. I think Michael Mann, JJ Abrams, Paul Greengrass, or James Cameron would be my next most-wanted.

And of course, this movie must have a huge budget and be taken very seriously by Kojima, Sony Pictures, the cast/crew, and anybody involved in making it. This can't just be another videogame to movie adaptation, not in the least, they have to pull out all the stops, because that's how Kojima makes his games.

[Segitz]

Depends on which snake we want to display really...

If they want Old Snake in the movie, they missed Sean Connery (he did a great job as special op in "The Rock").

Imho, Clive Owen (Sin City) would make a good young Ocelot. A bit different, than the one portrait in MGS3, but I think, he could pull it off. Tom Jane (The Punisher) could also fit in there somehow...

Christian Bale as Snake is... I don't know, I can't befriend myself with this idea. His portrayal of Batman, Cleric and Machinist were all great, but Snake is just completely different.

As director... This is a HARD nut. Michael Bay with MUCH less bang. Something along when he did Bad Boys and The Rock (two of my alltime favourites). Hopefully one, who doesn't abuse CGI to the max (I HATE THAT!)

[LiquidEagle]

Christopher Nolan doesn't like using CGI ;)

Sorry but until they officially announce a director I'm going to pimp out the idea of Christopher Nolan directing without fail :-p

Anyhoo, I definitely think Clint Eastwood would be the best Old Snake... The great thing about Christian Bale is that he already ate a snake in the jungle in Rescue Dawn, so he's already won the role of "Snake Eater" ;)

[Bsack]

Are they actually talking about making a film based on the MGS series or are you guys just speculating who would fit as an actor? I'm just curious?

[Sephiroth_VII]

Are they actually talking about making a film based on the MGS series or are you guys just speculating who would fit as an actor? I'm just curious?

This (http://imdb.com/title/tt0808372/) should answer your question.

[VG Aficionado]

(*doesn't read the thread*)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/19/99901330_8583cc0770.jpg

[Sephiroth_VII]

I wonder if he's going to do one of those in every thread:lol:

[masteratt]

Okay, let me just bleach my eyes now.

[Sephiroth_VII]

If what he posted annoys you, send him a picture of the MGS4 bosses :stirpot:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I have that saved on my computer from last year. I love it.

[Shadow Voa]

Hey I posted that one.... anyway its that time of the year!!

http://www.vgcats.com/news/valen/snake.jpg

[Coded-Dude]

^he's wanking it with his other hand....*its true*

[Raitei]

can somebody repost vg's image on imageshack. i need to print it at school, but it doesnt like flickr :P

[LiquidEagle]

If what he posted annoys you, send him a picture of the MGS4 bosses :stirpot:

:lol: I just got that! haha

[Jay Gee]

Oh, no! Spoilers!

[masteratt]

I always spoil myself when playing MGS.

[Epix]

^Spoil or soil?

[masteratt]

Why can't it be both? :smoke:


(i thought by putting that emoticon there, i would escape the lack of sense in my last post)

[LiquidEagle]

http://mp.i-revo.jp/user.php/kp-ryan/entry/162.html

Ryan Payton and Mark MacDonald are back for one more show before Mark heads back to the Motherland for the mother of all vacations. They also preview next week's show which will feature Alexis Tylevich and Ken Imaizumi!

Ryan Payton

[³¹¹]

Payton said there will be nothing at GDC in terms announcements but I think 'emergence day' will be shortly after.

Or I could be very wrong, the volume on my computer was too low and couldn't hear everything. But for the most part, another bland podcast.

[LiquidEagle]

To be honest I haven't listened to it... Mark McDonald's alright but... meh.

Anyways, is that rumor about an MGS4 demo in February still floating around or was it debunked?

[Coded-Dude]

didn't they say there would be no demo.......

[³¹¹]

Payton said a few podcasts back that the demo rumour has been squashed. No demo.

[masteratt]

Yes!
No temptation to break my MGS4 virginity before the full game.

Good news for me.
Sorry for the rest of you who wants the demo.

[LiquidEagle]

I already had it :-p

[Smokey]

we gettin a demo??

[LiquidEagle]

we gettin a demo??

:lol: Somebody didn't do his daily reading of the MGS4 thread

No demo...

In other news, I've decided (not sure why, really) to personally adapt Metal Gear Solid into a screenplay for a movie, I want some experience creating screenplays and I'm hard-up for original ideas right now, plus circulating this would be pretty cool and seeing how other MGS fans react to it... I'm having trouble introducing certain plot elements right now, so just a heads up I may call upon you guys as fellow MGS experts for advice ;)

[Passive]

^^^ well you know i'll add my input if you want seeming as im a MGS freak :P send me a pm with some ideas if you're up to it.

[Smokey]

:lol: Somebody didn't do his daily reading of the MGS4 thread

No demo...

In other news, I've decided (not sure why, really) to personally adapt Metal Gear Solid into a screenplay for a movie, I want some experience creating screenplays and I'm hard-up for original ideas right now, plus circulating this would be pretty cool and seeing how other MGS fans react to it... I'm having trouble introducing certain plot elements right now, so just a heads up I may call upon you guys as fellow MGS experts for advice ;)

haha... also i could play old fat snake in your screenplay :heybaby:

[LiquidEagle]

haha... also i could play old fat snake in your screenplay :heybaby:

:laugh: I'm totally writing myself in as Johnny Sasaki

[Segitz]

:laugh: I'm totally writing myself in as Johnny Sasaki

I have the matching Castor Oil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castor_oil) for you... if you REALLY wanna do it in front of a camera^^

I'd rather be someone behind the scenes, like Major Zero or Sigint... (btw... in MGS3, he at first says, Major Tom and then changes because "he found out something"... I dunno what that reason is, but in Germany, there is a song called Major Tom?!?). I've got very much personal experience in weapons training etc. (I was a Bundeswehr Luftwaffe soldier for some time, as you know)

[³¹¹]

There is a song by David Bowie, not sure of the title but it says something like, "ground control to major tom".

[Sephiroth_VII]

No, it was because he'd read a book in which a group of POWs were trying to escape by digging tunnels. They tried and failed several times, and gave each of the tunnels a name.

He thought the tunnel they finally escaped by was called Tom, but it wasn't which is why he changed his codename. Tom ended in a dead end.

[³¹¹]

I hope you weren't referring to me, I was just replying to the fact that Segitz mentioned something about a Major Tom song.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Nope, just reminding Segitz of what Major Zero found out.

[Segitz]

Yes, and I meant the Major Tom song^^ (There was a Neue Deutsche Welle "hit" about Major Tom^^ (Neue Deutsche Welle is something along Nenas "99 Luftballons")

[Sephiroth_VII]

Lol!

[³¹¹]

Not sure if you guys have seen this but at TUS there is a MGS4 track from the new Smash Bros game.

It's a sick fucking tune. It's called the 'Theme of Love' and is listed as Track 10 on this page.

http://www.metalgearsolid.org/show_downloads.php?id=1443

And this is only a glimpse of what the rest should sound like...

[ddaryl]

There is a song by David Bowie, not sure of the title but it says something like, "ground control to major tom".

Old David Bowie is a must have in the collection IMHO

The name of the song is "Space Oddity"

[curryking1]

Not sure if you guys have seen this but at TUS there is a MGS4 track from the new Smash Bros game.

It's a sick fucking tune. It's called the 'Theme of Love' and is listed as Track 10 on this page.

http://www.metalgearsolid.org/show_downloads.php?id=1443

And this is only a glimpse of what the rest should sound like...

I thought Metal Gear Solid fell into Pirates of the Caribbean at the start of that lol!

But definitely man, this is the first serious theme MGS4 track I think anyone has been exposed to.

Amazing find, thanks a lot. My love and interest in MGS4 has definitely been rejuvenated just with this theme song...

I look forward to another amazing Metal Gear Solid soundtrack. Metal Gear Solids 1 through 3 are amazing soundtracks, I love them.

Edit - Holy ***K!!!! I love you for those links... that is the best ***king instrumental Snake Eater I've ever heard. You rock man...

[Sephiroth_VII]

Moving track. It sounds like a remix of the one used in the E3 '06 trailer.

[Handycrap101]

Meh... the lack of news/footage at GDC news is a little disheartening. I was hoping for something.

A few podcasts back though, Ryan did say that while MGS4 is still in a media black out, MGO is not. Hopefully they have some sort of Online demo at GDC or we start seeing previews soon. I need my MGO fix ASAP.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

We shouldn't really be privy to that stuff anyway, it's not for us.
Sucks, but, that's the way it is. I'd rather have the info than not, but, our leverage is dubious at best.

[AC!D]

What do you guys reckon is next for MGS after Koj leaves the series ?
Possibly remakes of the first 2 games for PS3 ?

[Sephiroth_VII]

Prequels :(

[³¹¹]

Remakes? Naw fuck that noise. I want new content.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I honestly want to see remakes/reimaginings of the original MSX games.

[AC!D]

Remakes? Naw fuck that noise. I want new content.

I dunno im thinking it would be kinda nice to pit Naked against Solid on next gen consoles assuming of course Eva's return in MGS4 doesnt mean a return for Naked snake in that game witch im starting to get the feeling will be the memorable moment Koj keeps going on about.

[AC!D]

I honestly want to see remakes/reimaginings of the original MSX games.

Yeah thats what i meant the first 2 MSX games. Naked VS Solid ftw!

[Sephiroth_VII]

They would have to add to the original script, of course. nOtherwise, it wouldn't b up to the MGS standard.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah, hence 'reimagining'.

[TrueVCU]

I dunno im thinking it would be kinda nice to pit Naked against Solid on next gen consoles

MGS Fighting game? That's nothing but a can of bad juju

[Shadow Voa]

I think he meant a final boss fight SSnake vs. NSnake.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I tried to tell him but noooo n****'s gotta save face.

[AC!D]

I think he meant a final boss fight SSnake vs. NSnake.

Thats exactly what i meant.

True VCU i would'nt mind snake in a fighting game though but in a Sony smash bros rip off of Nintendo featuring *DRUM ROLL*

Snake vs Rohn
Drake vs Lara
Kratos vs Nariko
Sly Cooper vs Yorda
Ratchet vs Jak
Sackboy vs Clank
Ico vs Daxter
Wanda vs Keats
Hale vs Sev
Lightning vs Lenard
Bahamut vs Sand Wyrm Collosus etc.

No thats a game i would buy

[Zer0-Sum]

I honestly want to see remakes/reimaginings of the original MSX games.

You mean before the Soild games? As in the original Metal Gear from the NES /MSX2 days? If so, I too have been wanting that for a long time now. It will never happen though. :( But it would be awesome. The OG Snake story, remade today's standards. Taking on Big Boss in Outer Heaven. It would be sweet. But would they remake the original MSX2 game or the NES version? I have never played the MSX2 version. has anyone here played it? Know where I can get it?

[AC!D]

You mean before the Soild games? As in the original Metal Gear from the NES /MSX2 days? If so, I too have been wanting that for a long time now. It will never happen though. :( But it would be awesome. The OG Snake story, remade today's standards. Taking on Big Boss in Outer Heaven. It would be sweet. But would they remake the original MSX2 game or the NES version? I have never played the MSX2 version. has anyone here played it? Know where I can get it?

Isnt that the version on MGS subsistence?

[Zer0-Sum]

Isnt that the version on MGS subsistence?

I don't know. I never got MGS Subsistence. I just read the Metal gear wiki and it sounds like the MSX2 version of Metal Gear was much better. man, I hate it when Americans/rest of the world get hosed for Japaneses games! :realmad:

* The biggest difference between the MSX and NES versions is in the absence of the actual Metal Gear mecha in the NES version. Instead, the player must destroy a "Super Computer" which controls all of Metal Gear's activities in its place. The method of destroying it was also changed. While in the MSX version, the player must place 16 plastic explosives on Metal Gear's feet based on the order given by Dr. Pettrovich, in the NES version the player must simply place the bombs over the Super Computer on no specific parts (however, the player must have already rescued Ellen and Petrovich first).

* In the MSX version, Snake performs an underwater insertion into Outer Heaven in the beginning of the game in the entrance of Building No. 1. Snake's entrance in Metal Gear Solid can be considered a homage to this. In the NES version, he performs an air insertion by skydiving and parachuting into the Jungle, similar to Naked Snake's entrance in Metal Gear Solid 3, with three other soldiers who disappear after landing. They are neither seen nor mentioned again.

* The level designs were altered greatly in the NES version. In the beginning of the game, the player must proceed through a jungle area before reaching the entrance of Building No. 1 through a truck. The first floor corridor of Building No. 1 was also remodeled greatly, with many of its trucks and rooms moved to other locations. The basement-level floors of Building No. 1 and 2 were made into separate buildings, Buildings No. 4 and 5, respectively.

* In order to reach Building No. 4 or 5, the player must go through one of two jungle mazes located west to each of the outdoor areas. The solution for both mazes are the same, although it is never actually given within the game. (Go west two screens, north one screen, and west one more screen.)

* Another boss, the Hind D, was replaced. Instead, the player faces a pair of gunners known as "Twin Shot" on the rooftop of Building No. 1.

* Since the player no longer has to parachute to reach Dr. Petrovich's cell in Building No. 1, the parachute was removed. An Iron Glove was added in its place, which allows the player to break hollow walls. However, in some versions of the NES game, the Iron Glove has no real use.

* The Flying Army located on the roof of Buildings No. 1 and 2 lost their ability to hover over the ground in the NES version.

* In the NES version, the "high alert" (or double exclamation mark) mode was disabled. This means the player can always make their escape from alert mode by simply moving to the adjacent screen.

* The player can no longer acquire rations or ammo by punching enemy soldiers in Sneaking Mode.

* Solid Snake's face no longer appears in the transceiver mode's screen.

* Big Boss's final message to the player after the closing credits was removed.

* Some of the music (mainly, the two main themes and the alert mode theme) was changed in the NES version.

* There are also several other minor differences in gameplay, including the addition of several bugs and glitches. Some of the radio conversations were "misplaced" as a result of the redesigned areas in the NES game. For example, if the player calls Schneider in front of the room containing the Gas Mask in Building No. 1, he will tell Snake the location of the mine detector instead. This is due to the fact that the same spot in the MSX version used to be a minefield. In addition, the player's bullets have a farther range than they do in the MSX version, and the player can shoot while wearing the cardboard box.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_(video_game)

So not only was the MSX2 version better looking, it was much more feature rich. So is the version on MGS Subsistence the MSX2 version of the NES version?

EDIT: Got my answer from the wiki. It is the MSX2 version with an updated English script. Man, I am getting that today! :hugegrin:

[AC!D]

I just checked my Subsistence box and it says that both are the msx versions of the first and second game so i would recommend you get subsistence. Trust me the new camera 3d camera in snake eater for this version is brilliant compared to the original isometric camera ( only downside i the draw distance but its not that bad ) and add to that online and the MSX2 game your craving and alls good right? Oh and PS i have the pal release if that makes a difference although im sure both regional versions are probably the same.

[Fats]

I've got Subsistence, pretty awesome. :)

[Coded-Dude]

me too! :-p

[LiquidEagle]

No reason why anybody shouldn't own Subsistence, and if you don't...

http://www.amazon.com/Metal-Gear-Solid-Essentials-Collection/dp/B001383L36/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1203378755&sr=8-1

GO NOW!!

[Zer0-Sum]

No reason why anybody shouldn't own Subsistence, and if you don't...

http://www.amazon.com/Metal-Gear-Solid-Essentials-Collection/dp/B001383L36/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1203378755&sr=8-1

GO NOW!!

yah, I suck. It gives me a reason to buy MGS3 again. :) And it is cheap, so that is dah BOMB! Oh wait, the collection. Oooo, that is good. I need cash now, must buy. Only $29.99?! :buldge: WOW!!

[Segitz]

I hope, this pack comes to Germany too! I only have MGS2 SoF and MGS3 Subsistance (which I then could give to a friend).

30€ for three (or 5, if you count MG1 and 2 too) is quite a steal.

[Shadow Voa]

yah, I suck. It gives me a reason to buy MGS3 again. :) And it is cheap, so that is dah BOMB! Oh wait, the collection. Oooo, that is good. I need cash now, must buy. Only $29.99?! :buldge: WOW!!

$29.99 is good deal? Wow then I must of stolen it since I found it in the bargain bin of our Wal-mart last year and got it for $15.

[curryking1]

$29.99 is good deal? Wow then I must of stolen it since I found it in the bargain bin of our Wal-mart last year and got it for $15.

You trying to tell me you bought a mint collector's edition of MGS1, MGS2 Substance and MGS3 Subsistence...

For $15!??!?

He was talking about the 'Essential Collection' that Konami is releasing ;)

When I buy it...

I will have one copy of MGS1. Two copies of MGS2. And three copies of MGS3. That is what I call.. pure awesome XD

[Zer0-Sum]

$29.99 is good deal? Wow then I must of stolen it since I found it in the bargain bin of our Wal-mart last year and got it for $15.

Yah, $15 for all three games? If that is true you robbed them BLIND.

[LiquidEagle]

You trying to tell me you bought a mint collector's edition of MGS1, MGS2 Substance and MGS3 Subsistence...

For $15!??!?

He was talking about the 'Essential Collection' that Konami is releasing ;)

When I buy it...

I will have one copy of MGS1. Two copies of MGS2. And three copies of MGS3. That is what I call.. pure awesome XD

hehe, 2 copies of MGS1, 3 copies of MGS2, and 4 copies of MGS3 (if you count the copy of Snake Eater I bought for my brother that I haven't shipped to him yet :laugh:)

[Shadow Voa]

Oh I thought he meant MGS3: Subsistence, that I got for $15 which I thought was extremely good. Of course I already have MGS2:SoL and I have MGS:TS now I just need MGS4 and the circle of life is complete.


P.S. Im gonna get flack for the MGS:TS but I dont really care, I quite enjoyed it.

[Bsack]

MGS:TS was awesome you have no worries there. =)

[GTAce]

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1825383&postcount=159

[cliffbo]

MGS4 Opening Movie, In Production Over a Year

"The creator of MGS4's opening movie, Alexis Tylevich, joins Ken and Ryan on the show to discuss the project and talk about their wild night in Roppongi."

The opening movie includes PMC Adverts & Live Footage.
Apparently Hideo Kojima himself is more impressed with this opening movie than the actual game!

listen to the podcast:http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-113108.aspx

[chartwel]

listen to the podcast:http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-113108.aspx

if you listen to the podcast it doesnt say kojima is more impressed with the opening movie than the game................just that after playing through the beginning of the game over 100 times he is still impressed.

[cliffbo]

if you listen to the podcast it doesnt say kojima is more impressed with the opening movie than the game................just that after playing through the beginning of the game over 100 times he is still impressed.

i haven't listened to the podcast, i just posted it for anyone that was interested. i don't want to know anything more about this game... i want to be surprised and shocked

[solidsnakejej]

No, Ryan said that Kojima said that the game isn't up to logan movie yet.

[LiquidEagle]

I'm listening to the podcast right now :-D

So exciting!!

[³¹¹]

cliffyb, i dont think he was talking to you, ive seen that same little blurb on another site. the site misquoted the podcast AGAIN.

but from what was revealed in the podcast today (as minor as it was), im really looking forward to this movie.

[masteratt]

Give us a fucking release date!!!

[Sephiroth_VII]

So nice! Of course, it's an attempt to show the gamer that the MGS4 storyline is very much connected to the real world.

[the boney king of nowhere.]

http://www.gamesradar.com/ps3/metal-gear-online/preview/metal-gear-online/a-20080218112411343067/g-20070724111634842013


http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Games/M/Metal%20Gear%20Solid%20Online/Bulk%20Viewers/PS3/2008-02-18/CUS_catapult_07--article_image.jpg

[Old_Timer!]

New interview

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/853/853381p1.html

[³¹¹]

Interview?

I would like to see what dictionary you flip through...

[cliffbo]

this is cool, listen carefully:

http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/features/20352/First_Look_Image_Metrics.html

[³¹¹]

Very neat that they can do it without tracers. From some of the clips in that video they show incredible accuracy however not entirely sure I've seen that same accuracy in MGS4 trailers...

[chartwel]

Very neat that they can do it without tracers. From some of the clips in that video they show incredible accuracy however not entirely sure I've seen that same accuracy in MGS4 trailers...

maybe its something new they have added? we havent seen a new version in quite some time.

[LiquidEagle]

Very neat that they can do it without tracers. From some of the clips in that video they show incredible accuracy however not entirely sure I've seen that same accuracy in MGS4 trailers...

That's the difference between pre-rendered and real-time...

[NeoPlayStation]

Metal Gear Sold 4 release date in Famitsu ad?

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~adamesat/Stuff/2lkryvpro6.jpg

Someone posted this image of MGS4 advertising on NeoGAF with the date. True? Fake?

[LiquidEagle]

mmm.... looks legit, but then again at that kind of quality and that zoomed in you can make anything look legit :-p

I'm really curious about the artwork on the left side too :-D

[LaLiLuLeLo]

It's Old Snake (Ji-Hebi? haha) pressing the solid eye button, and it looks like Shinkawa's signature style in an image I've never seen before (at least).

[³¹¹]

Yep, Snakey activating SolidEye. Damn Liquid, didn't think that would stump you.

Shinkawa artwork please!

[LaLiLuLeLo]

This can also be substantiated by the interview with a sony rep in the other thread about MGS being a summer title. He said it in passing with other games but it's an easy assertion to make.

[TrueVCU]

It figures game companies would finally get the idea to release some heavy hitters in summer just as summer vacation becomes irrelevant for me :P

[LiquidEagle]

Yep, Snakey activating SolidEye. Damn Liquid, didn't think that would stump you.

Shinkawa artwork please!

It didn't stump me! I've just never seen it before :-p

It reminded me of the artwork that was the cover for MGS VR Missions with the Ninja and his light/eye...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

It figures game companies would finally get the idea to release some heavy hitters in summer just as summer vacation becomes irrelevant for me :P

Yep, cuz it's all about you.
STFU!

[³¹¹]

I think I posted this earlier in this thread but I plan on buying the sweet Japanese Edition from Play-Asia.

And then pick up the normal version at Wal-Mart.

I hope that image is fake but of course, Famitsu is pretty reliable and attaching that name to a fake will garnish much attention. Oh well, Podcast 81 surface now!

[solidsnakejej]

I just hope it's after May 12 because I want it release after my school term ends. I already know I can't play GTA 4 till about a week or so after it's release because I have finals around that time.

[³¹¹]

Yeah what a sweet few months. RB62 then GTA4 then..pron then MGS4!

[LiquidEagle]

I just hope it's after May 12 because I want it release after my school term ends. I already know I can't play GTA 4 till about a week or so after it's release because I have finals around that time.

hehe, I remember when MGS3 came out and I did an essay & took a midterm early, then I took about 4 days off work so my schedule was completely clear to play MGS3 :-D. I played it for 16 hours non-stop (1 bathroom break :laugh:)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I would walk briskly home in between classes (no matter how short a time period) to play a little bit more of MGS3.

[Raitei]

that image looks fake in truth.
the date is perfectly horizontal, the logo and stuff underneath it is tilted, as if the photo was taken from an angle...

i think =s

[Epix]

Release Date Announced!!!

June 12th

My brother works for a publisher and is at the conference [Destination Playstation] now, just texted me with the date. I said are you sure, he said came right outta Trenton's mouth and its gonna be bundled with a 80G.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246039

[cliffbo]

i've lost interest in this title :shrug:

[Zer0-Sum]

i've lost interest in this title :shrug:

Uh, how? You must not be a MGS freak like LaLi and me. He is more out there about it and I am more low key, but freaks we be.

So a release date huh? I can see the June 12th thing being true, that is plausible. But bundled? with a 80GB when they are canceling it? I find that mighty hard to believe. That MDS4 would be bundled at all is just a crazy idea. I don't think Konami would be down with that, not unless Sony paid them the full amount for what they sell for games for.

It would move PS3's, that is for sure though. Bundle it with the 120 GB that rumored and people will freak.

[cliffbo]

Uh, how? You must not be a MGS freak like LaLi and me. He is more out there about it and I am more low key, but freaks we be.

So a release date huh? I can see the June 12th thing being true, that is plausible. But bundled? with a 80GB when they are canceling it? I find that mighty hard to believe. That MDS4 would be bundled at all is just a crazy idea. I don't think Konami would be down with that, not unless Sony paid them the full amount for what they sell for games for.

It would move PS3's, that is for sure though. Bundle it with the 120 GB that rumored and people will freak.

i don't know when i lost interest really... i just can't get excited for a game that offers so little

[Epix]

i don't know when i lost interest really... i just can't get excited for a game that offers so littleWow.

[Matt]

i don't know when i lost interest really... i just can't get excited for a game that offers so little

=-o

Line: crossed.

Now, where's my stick.....

[Zer0-Sum]

i don't know when i lost interest really... i just can't get excited for a game that offers so little

What? Did I just read that? I think you have slipped sideways into another realm if reality cliffy. So little? I do not comprehend.

[cliffbo]

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/14/41/23314114.jpg

:lol:

[Jay Gee]

You guys got baited too easily. You should've known better.

[Matt]

You suck!! :p

[Epix]

Seems the bundle includes a DS3. Sweet.

[Matt]

Seems the bundle includes a DS3. Sweet.

Hopefully by that time they would've released them over here too.

[Zer0-Sum]

:piss: Peoples lame jokes at other peoples expense.....

I am getting the games bundle very soon. So $30 bucks you can't go wrong. I sold all my older versions of the games so it will good to get them all again.

As for the rumored PS3/MGS4/DS3 bundle, I will believe that when i see it.

[GTAce]

Cliff & MGS release date for the win! lol

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Too bad he was just kidding, or I could have snapped back with:
Well, I've also lost interest in your living life.

[cliffbo]

Too bad he was just kidding, or I could have snapped back with:
Well, I've also lost interest in your living life.

right! thanks Lali. you see, what your job is is to moderate personal attacks in this forum... you ahve had something against me for quite a while now and take every opportunity to attack my personality. find a post from me in which i personal attack someone... i attack an argument, not the person. what you just said is you wish me dead! i can guess who on this forum regularly PM each other. everybody so far took my joke in the right way... you see, we are friends and this is MY community and THEIRS. i know why this forum is going down hill

[Epix]

OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED!

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots PS3 Bundle
To coincide with the much-anticipated North American launch of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots in late Q2 2008, SCEA will introduce a PS3 bundle, which will include an 80GB PS3, the upcoming blockbuster Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, and a DUALSHOCK 3 wireless controller for $499.99 (MSRP).

As has been announced previously, MGS4 will include a Metal Gear Online “Starter Pack.” If you can’t wait to try out MGS4, the good news is you don’t have to much longer. Those who pre-order the game will be guaranteed access to a multiplayer beta test for Metal Gear Online scheduled for late April.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/...lease-date-by/