Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[masteratt]

NO MATT!

IT'S FROM SONY SO IT'S THE BEST MIC EVER, SCREW YOU! YOUR FRIENDS JUST HAVE A STUPID VOICE! THERE IS NO FEEDBACK!

[Matt]

:laugh:

[LiquidEagle]

He's got a point there...

[yoshaw]

Yoshaw u sick fuck....

What? You mean that was your mom that walked outta my room?

Pssssh WTF dude!! Where'd that post of yours come from?? Yea, I'm as much puzzled by your post above, as you are from mine. Although, as you can see/read. I'm, most definitely, twice as pissed as you are right now.

[Matt]

I'm confused.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

It should be an eye patch!!!!!

[Passive]

lol aneye patch would be cool but i really like the overall design of it ^^ its very very cool.

[Passive]

*Double post i know*


Okay so i got the music from the clock and cut it down to the 4 seperate tracks, included the whole set in one track AND just as a gift and extra track i cut together for true MGS fans ^^

I was gonna password the .rar with a really tricky mgs related password. which could only be figured out by working out an ottendorf cypher. But thats was too much effot plus everone who is looking forward to MGS4 needs to listen to these millions of times. and my gift track to get amped.

Enjoy (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9LXIFCEQ)

[Sephiroth_VII]

I will buy that beauty, and the official PS3 headset :hugegrin:

And many thanks to Passive! Here's your rep, as promised ;)

[jaxmkii]

NO MATT!

IT'S FROM SONY SO IT'S THE BEST MIC EVER, SCREW YOU! YOUR FRIENDS JUST HAVE A STUPID VOICE! THERE IS NO FEEDBACK!

just keep it away from your speakers retards. FUCK YOU BOTH

[Passive]

And many thanks to Passive! Here's your rep, as promised ;)


you promised me Rep? O.o when was that lol. Anywho you're welcome ^^ really cant wait to get my hands on the complete score for this game!! (being a huge score fan and all haha)

I've been watching cutscenes from MGS3 tonight, mainly ones with The Boss and such, her confession to Jack near the end, the ending cutscene and things like that. IF what we are told is true and that MGS4 has moments that will smash MGS3s ending.....im gonna be very emotional when playing MGS4 =[ i know that sounds pussy lol but like some on here im a very devoted MGS fan. been one since the begining. No doubt the ending is going to be something never to be forgotten (we all know by now snake is going to die) and i already know im get teary. =\ bloody Kojima and his flawless games -.-


On another note. I think the dates you set for the MGS marathon are good ones to go by, seph ^^

Just to re-cap for those doing it.

MGS3: May 10th
MGS Portable Ops: May 17th
MGS: May 24th
MGS2: May 31st
MGS4: June 12th

[LiquidEagle]

On another note. I think the dates you set for the MGS marathon are good ones to go by, seph ^^

Just to re-cap for those doing it.

MGS3: May 10th
MGS Portable Ops: May 17th
MGS: May 24th
MGS2: May 31st
MGS4: June 12th

Sounds good, but I think I'll be playing through them in order of creation since that's how they're meant to be played IMO.

[³¹¹]

Yeah, order of creation I think is better.

[Sephiroth_VII]

You do that losers, but as I explained in another thread, playing them chronologically places us closer to the beginning of MGS4.
MGS2 contains most of the unanswered questions too.

Passive, we should probably post them in a separate, spoiler-free thread when we approach May 10th, for the people who don't want to be spoiled by the MGS4 thread.

[curryking1]

^Lol :P

Ya, I've played MGS1 to 3 in that order always. I like playing in that order the best :)

I wonder...

Maybe I should get multiple copies of MGS4... since I have 1 MGS1, 2 MGS2's, and 3 MGS3's now... should I complete the pattern?! :O

Lol.

[³¹¹]

I guess but does that really matter when we've already played them so much? I mean maybe for a rookie who's never done them before will need MGS2 right before MGS4 but not us I would think. Unless, your memory is the equivalence to a sack of douche.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Well, for me, I haven't played MGS2 for over 2 years, and I imagine it's been even longer for some of you.

[curryking1]

I dunno... I've played these games a ridic amount of times... and a few key individual sequences even more times... lol :P

One part I loved to play was the massive shootout at the end of MGS2 lol... and usually I would just end up soldiering through to the end game if I had time :P

MGS2... it's been a while since I've gone through the entire game of MGS2 but I know it like a lover. I know the sequence of events in the story of that game like the back of my hand.

MGS1 I can play a lot. I can sit down for like 20 minutes every other day and eventually get through it. I don't know what it is... the game is just so fun to go through the entire game even just a bit at a time...

MGS3 I've completed many times as well, the game was just so fun to play and the graphics are so beautiful. I think my favourite environment is the Cave after the Ocelot battle... beautiful...

I got myself covered for MGS4... I've prepared for it (albeit not intentionally) long before it's June 12th release XD

[Passive]

Sounds good, but I think I'll be playing through them in order of creation since that's how they're meant to be played IMO.

Really there is no way they were "meant to be played" imo anyway. maybe we should vote? as some say order of release others say chronologically

You do that losers, but as I explained in another thread, playing them chronologically places us closer to the beginning of MGS4.
MGS2 contains most of the unanswered questions too.

Passive, we should probably post them in a separate, spoiler-free thread when we approach May 10th, for the people who don't want to be spoiled by the MGS4 thread.

Yeah i agree, that way VG can join in on the fun ^^ man that guy has resolve lol. I was thinking it should go in general gaming? fist post with some rule about mentiong anything MGS4 related needs to be spoiler tagged, that sort of thing.

^Lol :P

Ya, I've played MGS1 to 3 in that order always. I like playing in that order the best :)

I wonder...

Maybe I should get multiple copies of MGS4... since I have 1 MGS1, 2 MGS2's, and 3 MGS3's now... should I complete the pattern?! :O

Lol.

lo i have the SE and LE of MGS1, both versions of MGS2, both of MGS3, MG:Po LE. why 3 copies of MGS3? unless you have the LE in which case grats! ^^


I guess but does that really matter when we've already played them so much? I mean maybe for a rookie who's never done them before will need MGS2 right before MGS4 but not us I would think. Unless, your memory is the equivalence to a sack of douche.

lol i agree with this logic. again i say we should vote or something. cos if we dont decide each week people will be talking about different games and it'll be messy lol

[curryking1]

^I have the original MGS3, the MGS3 - Subsistence... and the MGS3 - Subsistence from the EC :P

[Passive]

^ ahhh nice ^^

um for me its been a little over a year since i played through MGS2. i dont really need a refresher. but i promised myself i would play through all the MGS games before the release of MGS4

[Sephiroth_VII]

I'll make a new thread(complete with poll) around the 31st of April.

It'll be in the PS section though, since not many people will notice it in General Gaming.

[Passive]

^ sounds good to me =D until then im gonna play through MG1 and MG2 ^^ as hard as they can get lol. still awesome games though.

[³¹¹]

I know this is sacrilege but I'll be rocking through Twin Snakes instead of MGS1. ..just need to find a wavebird...

I wish I still had my PSP to go through PO. Ah well, I did download all the cutscenes.

[Bsack]

^^I'd rather run through Twin Snakes too because it's essentially the same game. No foul in that.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Well, if I had a Gamecube I might do the same.

[Passive]

I have a copy of the game but now gamecube XD i wanna play through the good ol original though ^^

[Jay Gee]

Okay, pre-ordered the LE...can anybody re-confirm "270209 Metal Gear Solid" is the LE? I remember somebody posting the number, but I can't find it.

[³¹¹]

270209 is the LE.

[Kiosko]

I guess I'll run through them with you guys The run through I did last month was just on easy mode and I deleted all my saves this time so I can unlock everything on the essential copies. This will be my first time playing Subsistence. So I decided to wait.

[NeoPlayStation]

Metal Gear Solid 4 gets Bluetooth headset (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/04/14/metal-gear-solid-4-gets-bluetooth-headset/)

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.ps3fanboy.com/media/2008/04/mgs4bluetooth.jpg

Looks like a Metal Gear Solid 4-branded Bluetooth headset is about to come out, just in time for the release of the game. For a MSRP of $60, this gray over-the-ear headset will allow you to trashtalk opponents in Metal Gear Online. The device has 8 hours of talktime, a 30 foot range, and comes with a carrying case. Obviously, it'll work for all PS3 games, not just MGS4.

Sorry if old.

[Kiosko]

As tempting as that is...I'm going to wait for some reviews. I already found a bluetooth for $44.99 that I'm going to pick up that has 2,000 five star reviews on amazon.

Edit: Sorry guys. I'm starting the marathon right now. I have too many finals next month coupled with senior prom and graduation!

[Passive]

Hey thats cool Kiosko =] Finals are VERY important. Just make sure you pop over to the thread when its made to talk about each game ^^

Out of interest. did you choose order of release? 1,2,3 or chronologically? 3,1,2

[OG_Monkey]

Aw man that headset is SO cool! I want one! $60, oh well.

[Passive]

Metal Gear Saga Vol.2 Part 1 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/197576.html)

Metal Gear Saga Vol.2 Part 2 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/197612.html)

Metal Gear Saga Vol.2 part 3 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/197622.html)


For those who didnt get the DVD and didnt download the torrent. Tbh the narrator sucks lol. Other than that the dvd is pretty good ^^

[curryking1]

Wow, I seem to be the only one who things the headset is ugly lol. Not a kind of accessory I'd ever want to wear ;)

[Matt]

I think all bluetooth headsets look pretty stupid. I can't help but laugh at anybody who wears them in public. But all you're gonna be doing is sitting in front of the TV with it, so it doesn't really matter too much.

I still think this one is a little bit pricey though.

[Passive]

I wouldnt say 'ugly' but they could have chosen a better MGS styled headset, i do agree on that. As for price it is quite alot even it is it MGS4 related. I'm still getting one purely because it IS MGS related :P doubt i'll use it though, i'll find a more comfy bt headset.

[Leedogg]

heres your Metal Gear Monday Update from the Playstation blog


Welcome to the kick-off of “Metal Gear Mondays” on PlayStation.Blog! Here we’ll be bringing weekly articles about Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots and Metal Gear Online packed with news and content including surprise announcements, guest authors, and much more!

This week we’ll go into a lot of detail on Metal Gear Online and the upcoming MGO Beta. You must attain a free pre-order bonus gift “Metal Gear Saga Vol. 2″ DVD with MGO Beta Unique Product Voucher Code (UPVC) insert to participate in the MGO Beta as explained in our post last week.

If you have attained a MGO Beta UPVC, then Thursday, April 17th, this week, the download of the MGO Beta client will be available to you through the PlayStation Store on your PS3 (but please bear in mind, gameplay does not start until April 21st , and then will run until May 5th) - again, please do not try to redeem your UPVC before April 17th, you will just get an error message. You need to carefully follow the instructions provided on the MGO Beta UPVC insert in order to get at the download of the MGO Beta client through the PlayStation Store on your PS3. It is also important to note that your UPVC for the MGO Beta is good for only one PS3/PSN/PlayStation Store account, so you should absolutely NOT share your UPVC with anyone (unless you plan to forfeit your MGO Beta to whoever you give the UPVC to). There will not be any additional issue/reissue, replacement, etc of these codes - so again, we stress, please DO NOT share your UPVC for the MGO Beta with anyone!

Once you’ve got the MGO Beta client downloaded and installed, it’s time to load it up. Upon launching and going past the main menu, you’ll see that you need to sign up for a Konami ID. What is a Konami ID you ask? It is Konami’s service that has actually been around for a while in Japan, which basically allows for a unified account and access across various Konami products and services. Konami ID will be used for the first time in MGO for the US, and using the Konami ID allows for some of the really unique features we plan to offer the community with MGO. Once you hit the Konami ID sign up menu option, you should notice something subtle, but really cool: MGO launches the PS3 web browser from in-game and takes you to the Konami ID registration page. You can also simply visit http://id.konami.net from your favorite Web browser right now and sign up as well, to get a head start!


blog.us.playstation.com

[Shadow Voa]

Got my beta key, good to go!!

[Matt]

I wouldnt say 'ugly' but they could have chosen a better MGS styled headset

I want a codec :-D

[³¹¹]

I think branding it (and the PS3)

METAL GEAR SOLID 4 GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS LIMITED EDITION

ruins it.

Just give us the fucking earpiece, no writing, we know what it is. Same with the PS3. Totally takes away from the effect when you have a reminder that it is a limited edition PS3.

I'm done.

So are we all going to join up together for an MGO beta clan?

[Passive]

Probably.

I call shotgun in making it! ^^

[Old_Timer!]

Konami wasn't too smart when it came to branding the headset, there should be a Octocon insignia on it. It would be more inline with the MGS story, especially if you're trying to make a collecter's item.

[Passive]

^ my thoughts exactly. I mean it does sort of lie in with the solid eye (design wise) but it still has the title printed on it -.-

I want a codec :-D
That would be rather awesome ^^ and pretty much what they should have gone with. But obviously not as complex as a real one XD

[the boney king of nowhere.]

check out this sweet figure i got in chinatown today

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa313/lakehorse/DSCF2602.jpg

[LiquidEagle]

That thing is so cool... I always used Zombie camo in MGS3.

[Kiosko]

Hey thats cool Kiosko =] Finals are VERY important. Just make sure you pop over to the thread when its made to talk about each game ^^

Out of interest. did you choose order of release? 1,2,3 or chronologically? 3,1,2

I chose the Order of the Release.

[Passive]

^ nice Kiosko =D im playing through MG1 and MG2 right now lol man they rock.

[killermmn]

i cant create a id konami!!
i got my code for the beta!!

[Passive]

https://id.konami.net/age.do

try that? and go from there, i cant see any reason why you wouldnt be able to make an account.

[curryking1]

That quasi-Lego Snake is wicked :P

Does it work with Lego?

[the boney king of nowhere.]

nah, he's like twice the size of a lego man.

[masteratt]

Makes sense, it's Snake after all.

[Passive]

Well then, i now know where my KP Report 87 is =[

Ryan Payton: Show is on hiatus until further notice.

I'm bummed too, but gotta ship the game.

Sorry guys. Really do appreciate everyone's enthusiasm for the show.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10599218&postcount=36

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well, that's a good enough reason for me. :)

[Raitei]

its like christmas...

or like.. eve

[cliffbo]

These three new Metal Gear Solid 4 screenshots don't show much new, however one of them (Snake with the RPG) shows an area we have seen in the gameplay videos, but from above. Could this mean all the surrounding buildings are accessible?



http://metalgearsolid4.net/metal-gear-solid-4/metal-gear-solid-4-screenshots/metal-gear-solid-4-april-02.jpg

http://metalgearsolid4.net/metal-gear-solid-4/metal-gear-solid-4-screenshots/metal-gear-solid-4-april-01.jpg

http://metalgearsolid4.net/2008/04/16/3-new-metal-gear-solid-4-screenshots.html

[Sephiroth_VII]

I find myself loving this game more and more as the days go by, though it's hard to believe it's possible.

[Kiosko]

That would rock! I was tired of not being able to enter locked doors in COD4, especially when the characters could open them in the storyline.

[curryking1]

Looks... so... hawt.

This pic is from cliff's link, it looks great, I love it!! The filter actually makes it look more cinematic (most games fail miserably at attempting this kind of look just by colours to be honest...) :D

http://metalgearsolid4.net/metal-gear-solid-4/metal-gear-solid-4-screenshots/metal-gear-solid-4-april-03.jpg

I find myself loving this game more and more as the days go buy, though it's hard to believe it's possible.

[Passive]

Those new screens are pretty cool, i really home the surrounding buildings are accessible, it would add so much more individual gameplay experience ^^

[Shadow Voa]

I want Snake to knock me out in MGO so bad on Monday, I know I'll have goosebumps the first time I see him on my tv, in my game!!!

[Passive]

lol! better yet! hope to be the lucky player that gets to BE snake in that round ^^ =D

[LiquidEagle]

Man, it's a good thing I already got to play this game...

[Passive]

that stung..

so... was that my punishment for calling you a twat? =[

[LiquidEagle]

No, this is:

http://forums.e-mpire.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9245&d=1199003254

Now don't make me bust out the Kojima pictures :-p

[Passive]

=[ i have a strong urge to kill you right now lol. I hate living in Australia because we never get gaming conventions and such. I'd love to me Kojima and Ryan.

[LiquidEagle]

:lol:

That's what I love about living in California too, these events are usually here :-D

[Passive]

Stupid boring Australia. Me being the strange person that i am lol what did they smell like? :P

[LiquidEagle]

:laugh: I was way too giddy every time I've met Kojima to be able to have a sense of smell :-p

[Passive]

I wouldn't even be able to form words let alond use my brain to speak japanese with him. I mean what do you say to god? ...... hows the weather?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Sugoiiiiiiiii!!!!!

[Passive]

Koko? Kogoeru youni samui =[

[yoshaw]

Meena baka da ne!! Anata tachi waa. pssh hontoni

[Epix]

Domo arigato Mr. Robato...

[section]

shit guys you actually do know Japanese?!

I've tried getting to learn even some phrases but usually failed miserably. I know arigato and hai though. And i(i)e.

[Segitz]

Holy Crap,

MGS4 got rated by the german board... and guess what... it got an USK18 rating!! A first in the series... which also means, it must be quite on the hard side :D

Gotta LOVE that :D

[LiquidEagle]

Can you explain further? I don't get it :laugh:

[Passive]

Yeah its has the highest rating here in Aus too. big stuff ^^

[³¹¹]

Hmmm, they must've left in that raunchy scene between a Gekko and Sunny...

[Segitz]

Can you explain further? I don't get it :laugh:

MGS2 and 3 were cut ever so slightly to accomodate for the german ratings board (dunno what MGS2 was rated, my box has NO rating on it^^). Actually, I didn't even now that until some months ago^^

And if it got an USK18 rating, it won't be cut at all, which is GREAT! And it means, it will be quite violent, too. Not that this is mandatory, but MGS4 is a very mature game, and thus needs to be realistic. I don't think, it will be much more violent than 3 ("interrogating" done by Volgin^^), but the graphics took a huge leap!

[Passive]

Great news sports fans ^^ i now have the LE pre-ordered at my local EB =D it sounds different from the Us one though :S The guy there said it had the game, the saga dvd, a blu-ray dvd, a few artwork cards and a 6" figure? :s i didnt know about all this lol. gonna cos me $169 AU though O.o but well worth it imo.

[Coded-Dude]

The US version will feature special packaging with exclusive art from Yoji Shinkawa, a bonus Blu-ray disc with a pair of making-of documentaries (including interviews with Hideo Kojima), as well as the CD soundtrack for the game.

An action figure would be cool though......lucky.

[Passive]

Ya im pretty happy to be getting the Us version plus a figure hehe ^^ finally australia doesnt get raped games wise.

[Passive]

=[ Just got word on how much that RAH Raiden will set me back. $270 my wallet is crying.

[curryking1]

Oh god... $270? Wow lol.

I'll stick to my only action figures... and cheaper ones too... FF VIII action figures!! YA WUT!? :D

They costed (for 6 characters) 40 bucks back in 1999 or whenever it was. And they aren't terrible characters, they are nice enough especially for the price :)

[Goki]

Maybe theres a proper sex scene....?

[FantasyGhost]

Kojima Disappointed With Metal Gear Solid 4

Looks like Kojima Jr. isn't the only one disappointed with Metal Gear Solid. The latest issue of the UK's Edge magazine contains an interview with Metal Gear creator Hideo Kojima, who expresses disappointment with the latest game in the series, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. It isn't so much the gameplay itself as it is the graphics.

"Game-wise, it's pretty close to the original vision: you sneak into the battlefield and can choose whether to do a stealth game or interfere with the battle more directly. But the graphic, side things like motion-blending and the size of the map, totally was not accomplished to my original vision - to my satisfaction.

Now Kojima is a well-known perfectionist, but it is a bit disturbing to see him voice his dissatisfaction with what is supposed to be the masterpiece of the franchise. So where does he lay the blame for not fully realizing his vision?
"When we first showed the game engine at TGS, the staff were really proud and happy. PS3 was a dream machine, y'know, and we were going to work on this and that - and we had so many ideas. But when we actually started developing the game, we realized there were a lot of restrictions and so it turned out how you see it today. The original vision was to go ten steps further, the reality was just one step, which isn't to say we didn't progress.
So there was certainly progress made, but not enough progress...or more specifically, not enough power for progress. Apparently the team overestimated what the PlayStation 3 was capable of.

I remember saying three years ago that we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn't really do that because of the CPU. We're using the Cell engine to its limit., actually. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the PS3 machine, it's just that we weren't really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered - we were creating something we couldn't entirely see.

Well there you have it, straight from the man himself. Metal Gear Solid 4 is not revolutionary. Personally I think the man is being a bit hard on himself, but that's what great minds do.http://kotaku.com/381412/kojima-disappointed-with-metal-gear-solid-4

Anyone got the full interview?

[curryking1]

That's insanely amazing that he comes out and says that.

Kojima ftw.

Well there you have it, straight from the man himself. Metal Gear Solid 4 is not revolutionary.

Lol! Maybe in just the size of maps or technical aspects of graphics.

I'm sure there's other stuff to enjoy in this game than just what makes the CPU go wild.

[GTAce]

Cant wait to see "PS3 cant handle it so its going to 360" or "LOL PS3 dissapoints its going to come for the Wii because its so innovating" posts! :thumbr:

[yoshaw]

Just another article written in a way so that it generates lots of hits. Game journalism will never become mainstream normal! Only sensational.

[curryking1]

I'm waiting for a large videogame presence in major newspapers! :D

I want to see a Globe and Mail entertainment section with a page dedicated to videogames :P

[Jay Gee]

I wonder how Kojima's going to have to defend his pastor's stinging words about the state of the gaming populace 3 days before his game ships.

[cliffbo]

Just another article written in a way so that it generates lots of hits. Game journalism will never become mainstream normal! Only sensational.

i've got the Edge and i do believe he said that. but, come on, if Kojima created a photo-realistic version with content that made your eyes bleed, he'd still be unhappy. that's what drives the man and is why every iteration has improved on it's predecessor. i like the fact that he's never satisfied. obviously EA are satisfied with Madden, if you get my drift

[yoshaw]

Cliff

See, I wasn't critcizing Kojima-san for what he said. What he said was exactly supposed to be taken as you mention in your post. But my point being geared towards the sensationalism our industry journalists show towards those same words. I hate that n believe that's stalling us from actually getting the right crowd. The reason why talent still shy away from our medium. It's not appreciated as its meant to be thanks to these articles representation.

Oh wait, this is a topic for another day.

[cliffbo]

Cliff

See, I wasn't critcizing Kojima-san for what he said. What he said was exactly supposed to be taken as you mention in your post. But my point being geared towards the sensationalism our industry journalists show towards those same words. I hate that n believe that's stalling us from actually getting the right crowd. The reason why talent still shy away from our medium. It's not appreciated as its meant to be thanks to these articles representation.

Oh wait, this is a topic for another day.

eloquently put, Yoshaw! in that case i agree with you. it sometimes seems that the good is outweighed by the bad by a large majority

[Lucid Delusion]

Why do I feel like this was bound to be said? And it's not like he's saying he's dissatisfied with the story or the gameplay, two of the most important factors that make up the game. He just thought it would've been on a much bigger scope than it is. Thank god he pushed for that dual layer Blu-Ray disc though or I'm sure he'd have a lot more to say on the matter.

[Matt]

Why do I feel like this was bound to be said? And it's not like he's saying he's dissatisfied with the story or the gameplay, two of the most important factors that make up the game.

I think a lot of people seem to forget about that and focus so much on TEH GRAFIX!!1!

[curryking1]

Ya... Kotaku doesn't seem to have a problem with focusing on the graphics :P

I remember one time before I had a dream I played MGS4 lol. I think two days ago a part of my dream was getting and playing GTA IV hahaha.

It'll be nice once both these games come out. Then I can play them while dreaming and while waking :D

[cliffbo]

Ya... Kotaku doesn't seem to have a problem with focusing on the graphics :P

I remember one time before I had a dream I played MGS4 lol. I think two days ago a part of my dream was getting and playing GTA IV hahaha.

It'll be nice once both these games come out. Then I can play them while dreaming and while waking :D

you know something, Curryking, we aren't that different. :) it's nice to be daft once in a while. i like your sense of humour

[Nameless]

First I would like to say this will be a day one purchase, because I'm a huge MGS fan and I'm sure the game will be an amazing experience.

Now since we got that out of the way, I have to admit the visuals we see today from a character design perspective are not on the same level as the initial TGS trailer released back in the day. I do have to say the overall visuals from an environmental perspective have improved, but the incredibly detailed Snake model has been somewhat downgraded. I'm sure the game will be considered one of the best looking PS3 titles when released, but it will not be light years ahead of other titles like MGS2 on the PS2. To be honest PS3 development has progressed very quickly and I'm sure some tools and techniques could have been used with MGS4, but would have moved the release time well beyond 2008...

It looks like the Microsoft viral marketing smear campaign is in full effect, but real MGS fans are not falling for this bullshit...

[curryking1]

Ya man, I agree. I think the character models from the TGS realtime demos have been noticeably downgraded.

I wish all the dust and particle effects and random debris flying in the air was also as dense now as it were in the TGS 05 trailer.

Man, if it were me I'd sacrifice a few notches on resolution to achieve those awesome ambient details and character models.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Did everyone miss the last sentence?
Personally I think the man is being a bit hard on himself, but that's what great minds do.

I think that reels it back in from being sensationalist. The 'MGS4 is not revolutionary' was almost assuredly meant in a dry humor kind of way.' Everyone, let's not blow our lids off over this. It's just an article with some snarky tone. Oh shit, Kojima pushed the system to its limits, and had to make sacrifices??? THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE EVAR!!!

>_>
please...
MGS4...1/10 on Kojima's vision scale... still the best game ever.

[masteratt]

True say.

I'll just quote something cool sounding here: "Great art is never perfect."

[curryking1]

Good call Lali.

>_>
please...
MGS4...1/10 on Kojima's vision scale... still the best game ever.

Also good call :P

I read the whole thing anyhow, and I did also notice the end.

But just in my puny defense of my opinion here, I've been under the impression for a long time that the game doesn't look as good as the TGS 05 trailer anymore. Main parts being character models and ambience.

[Nameless]

^^^ I'm not downing the game, but let's be real the character models have been downgraded; they still look spectacular. If you go back and look at the TGS Snake model it damn near looked like CG. I honestly think if Kojima would decide to produce another MGS on the PS3 he would have a better shot at achieving his "visual expectations". There's tons of new development tools and techniques being use to create incredible results on the PS3.

Does any of this have any real impact on the MGS4 experience on the PS3 absolutely not... Every journalist that has played the game stated it was an amazing experience and that includes the current visuals.

[Passive]

Hmmm okay i'll finally have my say.

Shut up about the graphics. Seriously. MGS isn't about graphics and its never been like that whenever a MGS game is released sure it looks mind blowing but a week or so later we see things from other games that smash it to bit graphically. Please stop talking about how snakes character model has been 'downgraded' no matter how true that may be. The character himself hasn't been downgraded and when it comes to metal gear thats all you should be worried about.

EDIT: and dont take this as an attack at some posters here. i just get pretty pissed off when graphics comes into the issue when talking about MGS. Yes kojima isnt very pleased with how it turned out. but our expectations are much lower than a gods remember?

[curryking1]

Who said MGS is 'about graphics?'

Why does commenting on it have to make it an issue...? I mean... is it that bad I would've liked the game to look better or more like the TGS trailer? Am I ruining something for someone by just saying that? Just a thought thrown out there because that's just what I would've liked...

Everything's gotta be an issue on this site. I mean... for once let someone just say something because that's how they would've liked it even so.

What's wrong in a little criticism here and there? It's not like we're calling for them to remake the game... and it's not remotely that we are saying it's going to be ruined because of a little criticism about it...

Seriously guys... let some people just comment on something and for once assume they are just commenting on it for the sake of their own personal interest in the game in a way that isn't trying to ruin it for themselves or anyone else...

I would've liked better graphics. Who wouldn't? I just liked how the TGS 05 trailer looked a lot. Issue here anywhere??? I don't see it:shrug:

[Passive]

But you've seen how fast something like this can snowball. At first it can be just commenting an opinion. then those "omg ps3 is shit" comments start popping up. Mayb not from this boad but you know its going to happen again. That article will be taken in different ways to what it was intended and bam we have more shit flying around but not just about MGS4 but the PS3 all over again.

I personally am very very happy with how MGS4 looks graphically and wouldnt touch it for anything.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah, it did step down a bit from the TGS 05 trailer. But more importantly, so the fuck what.

[Diresu]

For Kojima to fully realize his vision with MGS4 he'd need the PlayStation from the PS9 commercial. Man has to much awesome for any system to handle.

[Passive]

For Kojima to fully realize his vision with MGS4 he'd need the PlayStation from the PS9 commercial. Man has to much awesome for any system to handle.

no :P still not enough. he's a perfectionist. therefore he'll never ever be able to sit back with a game of his and say "okay im happy with this in every single way"

[Nameless]

Yeah, it did step down a bit from the TGS 05 trailer. But more importantly, so the fuck what.

QFT!!!

[Passive]

i agree with that yes lol. i just watched the TGS clip again and its not much different anyway. and i sorta prefer it more this way. but thats just me ^^

[curryking1]

You guys are all wrong!:rant:

:guns:

(When I bust my gat, mother ***kers take dirt naps)

:gunner:

*Is not listening to any rap by BIG right now... >.>

[Passive]

lol curry, go listen to ocean music.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Since we're all talking about graphics, did anyone but me notice that the main menu in MGO is 1080p? This usually means that the game is too.

[Passive]

Well one assumes that MGS4 is in 1080P therefore its baby brother would be too yes?

[Smokey]

Yeah, it did step down a bit from the TGS 05 trailer. But more importantly, so the fuck what.

what about the demo where he's walking him around for about 10 min are they worse than this?

[Passive]

what is "they" smokes? if you mean the visuals now? No. The game looks just like that 15 gameplay clip. if not a little better now (tweaks n such)

[Sephiroth_VII]

Well one assumes that MGS4 is in 1080P therefore its baby brother would be too yes?

They said that over six months ago, and were considering downgrading to 720p. I think it's nice to have confirmation thy still use it.

[Nameless]

^The MGO beta is running in 1080P so I would assume MGS4 will support 1080P.
Does that mean the game is running at 1920X1080 hell no...

[Smokey]

what is "they" smokes? if you mean the visuals now? No. The game looks just like that 15 gameplay clip. if not a little better now (tweaks n such)

just wondering how come everyones talking about bad graphics? i reckon that 15 min demo looks sweet :)

[Passive]

Nah we werent saying they were bad just not as good as the original TGS debut clip.

[Red_Eyes]

I won't judge until I play it and see it with my own eyes.

[cliffbo]

we all saw the playthrough right? it's going to be amazing, Kojima knows nothing :look:

[LiquidEagle]

This game looks incredible, and we haven't even seen very much of it. The game also doesn't look as detailed as the TGS video because that was before they added the stylistic filters to it and toned down a lot of the more vibrant colours. Kojima is disappointed because he wanted MGS4 to be the move from realism to naturalism, but they couldn't do that and keep the graphics looking respectable, so they had to abandon that idea. Obviously this game's still going to be the best game ever made, and Kojima's only disappointed because he's that brilliant.

[cliffbo]

right, i love Kojima's work on MGS and respect him, but i smell a rat. we know he had to use a 50GB Blu-ray and even then he couldn't find the space to give us his true vision. i got to thinking last night about how he would drum up interest in the future. usually we have a new version with extras and VR missions, but because he filled the disk i asked myself what he could do. well, low and behold, i find this today. suddenly the Multiplayer has found its way onto the same disk! remove that at a later date and add VR missions and extras... crafty i tell you. and what about the content that must have been cut to enable this to fit? i'm still really hyped for MGS and it's my favourite franchise, but... well... this just smells to me


Konami reveals additional details on Metal Gear Solid 4

http://images.strategyinformer.com/game_images/thumbs/473x/0008/0001684.jpg

Konami Entertainment revealed additional information on its forthcoming Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots game for the PlayStation 3 which is scheduled to be released across Europe on June 12th.


The game will be released on a Blu-ray disc containing both Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, the conclusion of Hideo Kojima’s Metal Gear Solid saga, and Kojima Productions’ multiplayer-only title Metal Gear Online.

Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is set in a battle-scarred future where huge conglomerates fight for supremacy using armies of hand-picked mercenaries. Within this bleak world, an aged Solid Snake has been charged with infiltrating a number of key locations across the globe, including the Middle East and South America.

As the game’s June 12th release nears, Kojima Productions has further whet appetites with a number of key additions regarding the new title’s gameplay and scenario. The Tokyo-based studio has revealed that Snake is on a UN-appointed mission, while his main adversary is Liquid Ocelot who is controlling several private armies in a scenario that is based around the future concept that war is to the 21st century, what oil was to the 20th.

These private military companies – PMCs – are integral to the events in Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. During the course of the game, Snake can team-up with local militia and trade items with them, with Hal “Otacon” Emmerich back again to provide Snake with key intel. Otacon provides Snake with local information and useful hardware, including the Metal Gear Mk.II, a small remote-controlled robot with cloaking and offensive capabilities. Similarly, a new character called Drebin joins the cast, who buys and sells weapons from the player, allowing him or her to amass valuable Drebin Points to purchase more powerful weapons.

Other key additions to Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots include rumble support for the new DualShock 3 controller, full 5.1 Dolby surround sound support, and more interactivity during the cutscenes such as allowing users to change angles and summon flashbacks.

http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/867/konami-reveals-additional-details-on-metal-gear-solid-4

[Passive]

hmmm :P nothing i didnt know before.

But i thank you Cliff for the sweet screen in the article ^^

[chartwel]

what really sucks to me is they keep mentioning dolby digital 5.1 like its the greatest thing to ever happen to a game. what the hell happened to uncompressed audio? thats a huge disappointment to me. drop the multiplayer on a new disc and give us the audio you promised.

[LiquidEagle]

right, i love Kojima's work on MGS and respect him, but i smell a rat. we know he had to use a 50GB Blu-ray and even then he couldn't find the space to give us his true vision. i got to thinking last night about how he would drum up interest in the future. usually we have a new version with extras and VR missions, but because he filled the disk i asked myself what he could do. well, low and behold, i find this today. suddenly the Multiplayer has found its way onto the same disk! remove that at a later date and add VR missions and extras... crafty i tell you. and what about the content that must have been cut to enable this to fit? i'm still really hyped for MGS and it's my favourite franchise, but... well... this just smells to me

You couldn't be further from the actual truth.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Isn't the online mode usually on the same disk asd the campaign? I don't see the problem.

[Epix]

right, i love Kojima's work on MGS and respect him, but i smell a rat. we know he had to use a 50GB Blu-ray and even then he couldn't find the space to give us his true vision. i got to thinking last night about how he would drum up interest in the future. usually we have a new version with extras and VR missions, but because he filled the disk i asked myself what he could do. well, low and behold, i find this today. suddenly the Multiplayer has found its way onto the same disk! remove that at a later date and add VR missions and extras... crafty i tell you. and what about the content that must have been cut to enable this to fit? i'm still really hyped for MGS and it's my favourite franchise, but... well... this just smells to me:duh:

Almost every game has it's online component included on the same disc as the campaign. Just because MGO seems like a standalone app, it's essentially just the online component of MGS.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

right, i love Kojima's work on MGS and respect him, but i smell a rat. we know he had to use a 50GB Blu-ray and even then he couldn't find the space to give us his true vision. i got to thinking last night about how he would drum up interest in the future. usually we have a new version with extras and VR missions, but because he filled the disk i asked myself what he could do. well, low and behold, i find this today. suddenly the Multiplayer has found its way onto the same disk! remove that at a later date and add VR missions and extras... crafty i tell you. and what about the content that must have been cut to enable this to fit? i'm still really hyped for MGS and it's my favourite franchise, but... well... this just smells to me


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Lalilulelo/gifs/lex-luthor-wrong.jpg

[VideoGame mania]

Ok is that Cell maximized quote real ?
Didn't Ryan Payton say on one of the KP podcasts, they don't know how powerful the PS3 really is, something like that.

[section]

Cell maximised quote from Kojima is real, I recall it's from Edge magazine. It doesn't mean Team Kojima maximised is for instance the same as Insomniac maximised.

[Segitz]

European Limited Edition including Old Snake Figurine???

Webhallen (who also "broke" the GTA4 PS3 bundle news (http://www.webhallen.com/prod.php?id=86204)

If this is for real, I am... FUCKING PSYCHED!!!

[Passive]

Yeah i mentioned it a few pages back when i said i came home after pre-ordering at EB. But its nice to see the rest of euro gets it ^^

[Segitz]

Yeah i mentioned it a few pages back when i said i came home after pre-ordering at EB. But its nice to see the rest of euro gets it ^^

Sorry, didn't see that...

I hope, my store here let's me preorder the LE... else, I am going to be a sad panda :(

[curryking1]

Lali you just destroyed everyone with your avatar. That's actually amazingly stylish lol.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Thank ya, thank ya. I do what I can. :cowboy:

[Sephiroth_VII]

1200 kr!? :wtf:

I think I'll stick with my Canadian pre-order for now, thank you very much.

[Epix]

Cutscene and Codec time revealed:

Konami’s Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Patriots has been passed by the BBFC with a ‘15’ age rating.

The classification was made without any cuts having to be applied to the game.

On its website, the BBFC reveales that the game has a 'total running time' of 545m 47s (9hrs; 5 mins; 47 secs).

Guns Of The Patriots is due for release in the US and Europe on Friday, June 12th.

[Raitei]

well, thats one long movie game experience thingy

[Segitz]

1200 kr!? :wtf:

I thjink I'll stick with my Canadian pre-order for now, thank you very much.

Well, the figurine alone is at least worth half it^^ (my currency converter says, 1200kr are about 120€)

If it is less than 120€ when it hits here (I imagine something about 100€), I'll get it nontheless. MGS4 is a game worth buying at such a high price!

[Kiosko]

That's around Xenosaga 3...1 hour and 5 minutes more even!!

[Sephiroth_VII]

Well, the figurine alone is at least worth half it^^ (my currency converter says, 1200kr are about 120€)

If it is less than 120€ when it hits here (I imagine something about 100€), I'll get it nontheless. MGS4 is a game worth buying at such a high price!

I hope they reveal the figurine in the PS Blog sometime soon, because I'll have to make my decision after seeing it...

[Matt]

I guess it isn't this one?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41UurRYTqBL._SS500_.jpg

[Coded-Dude]

do they have a European blog?

i don't think they'll release the image on the US blog.
(seeing as how we aren't getting it)

[LiquidEagle]

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9974&Itemid=51

Very long article, don't think it was posted yet... I haven't read the full thing (about to go to work), but it looks good, and yeah... Metal Gear Solid 4 is going to be fucking incredible like none other.

[Kiosko]

Threespeech is kinda their European Blog.

[Segitz]

Threespeech is kinda their European Blog.

Yeah, and it sucks^^ Well, the "official" Sony one sucks too, because there's no news at all... or the news was posted somewhere else earlier, thus the Blog only reiterates what I already know^^

[masteratt]

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9974&Itemid=51

Great read, Hype Meter +5.

[³¹¹]

Why oh why Are you 50 days away?

[Passive]

I guess it isn't this one?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41UurRYTqBL._SS500_.jpg

Nah thats the RAH Figure, its $289 :P i hightly doubt they would give that as a gift in the LE :P

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Much like the tanker prologue of MGS2, this opening act drops you right in at the deep end with an experienced, equipped Snake but only pieces of a tutorial. The term ‘fan service’ sells short the incredible amount of series knowledge required to really penetrate MGS4, feel for its characters or marvel at the progress it’s made. A flank-speed journey with its own narrative mission to complete, it wastes little time on rookies.

:cloud9::banana::banana::banana:

[Passive]

Okay. With that i say goodbye to the MGS4 thread. No it wasnt a spoiler but it seems more and more things are coming out about the actual play of the game, so im being cautious. I'm still up for the MGS-a-thon with you guys and i'll make a thread in the PS section come May 1st =D

I'll return to the MGS4 thread June 11th to give a great "WOO HOO!!" lol

I ask that those who have me on MSN, please keep me updated with new screens and news. But nothing that would be a spoiler.



See you June 11th everybody! =D

[Gummy]

lol passive.


Anyways, I watched the DVD of the whole Metal Gear game history.
I watched some trailers I've never got to see, it was fucking awesome.

oh and I understand the story more... just a tiny bit.

[Segitz]

fAwmmyZOYmQ

[LiquidEagle]

The end is the only truly new bit, and it's definitely worth seeing :laugh:

Thanks Segitz, here's hoping we get a legit copy with Subtitles and not on Youtube soon :-D

[Matt]

Nah thats the RAH Figure, its $289 :P i hightly doubt they would give that as a gift in the LE :P

$289?

I saw it on a site for $19.

[yoshaw]

Downloadable. Says its new.

http://www.gamersyde.com/news_6367_en.html

[Passive]

okay lol i couldnt stay away:P and look what happened! lol while i was 'gone' even for that short of a time a new trailer getsa released! what are the odds :P i think Kojima hates me.

New? not so much but the end. nice? damn right it is.

just to clear the air before i actually do bugger off :P Matt it looks very much like the RAH but there is a smaller cheaper one out too so you could be right. if so ^^ schweet.

anywho im ACTUALLY leaving this thread now lol. there better not be any new trailers the second i leave i swear to god lol.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Ohhhhhh God Hyyyyyype!!!!!!

[Raitei]

im not watching videos anymore

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Agreed.

[masteratt]

That trailer had nothing new by the way so if you wanna watch it, watch it.

It was a montage footage mixed from the previous trailers and the dialogue is in Japanese so no spoilers there either.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yeah I watched that. but now I'm not gonna watch anymore trailers. ^_^

[Sephiroth_VII]

Riiiight...

[LiquidEagle]

lol, watching trailers is the most acceptable thing you could do. It's watching user movies and reading long articles that has the highest chance of a spoiler.

[Segitz]

lol, watching trailers is the most acceptable thing you could do. It's watching user movies and reading long articles that has the highest chance of a spoiler.

Exactly... and I am usually bored after 1 line of text, as they always repeat the same stuff over and over and over and... stop it^^ Especially those articles, where they just reiterate in a different fashion what the trailer showed or what Kojima said at E3 5 months earlier

[³¹¹]

For the most part is this just cut up old trailers? Or is everything we see running on the 'new graphics standard'? Like the scene with Snake smoking the cigarette after the watermelons get squashed looks new yet performs the same way as the old one.

Answers....?

[Red_Eyes]

Hight quality direct feed.
The graphics are just amazing. They look so sharp, just like what IGN said.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NZT19C9P

[Shogun042]

nice graphical improvement. dammit i really do need to finish MGS1-3...when i have time

[Venat]

Graphics comparison (old left !)

http://denshin.free.fr/junk/MGear.jpg

[masteratt]

Interesting about the coat.

And the New Version looks MUUUUUUUUCH better.
Graphic downgrade my ass.

[GTShotoKen]

I'm pretty sure the downgrade in graphics comments comes from the TGS 05 trailer and not from any other.

I don't understand why everyone keeps using different trailers to compare other than the one everyone is referring the game's graphics have downgraded from.

Edit: I personally don't care, but I'm not gonna just ignore the fact that no one uses the first MGS4 trailer for comparisons.

I think the real difference, I would have to say, is seen in video and not in stills anyways.

Edit 2: The original envision of MGS4 Old Snake

http://www.maj.com/gallery/JpegMasterJesse/MGS/modes.gif

New version:

http://www.rotpod.net/rotpod/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/mgs4.jpg

[Segitz]

Well, the old TGS trailer was different...

It was set in a very controlled, small environment and the new ones (especially E3 07 etc.) have many people running around beating the crap out of each other in some scenes.

And... downgrad my ass... I like it, that all that ugly motion blur is gone... I mean, it often makes look a game less good, since in the end, motion blur is just blur and doesn't help anyone. (there are uses for MB however, but "making it look cool" (i.e. the EA way of MB) is not one of them)

[yoshaw]

Man, I always thought the new look of the game was a upgrade. Never considered it as a downgrade. That snake comparison post of GTshotokan above. I see the new 'now' snake as better looking graphically than the old TGS one.

[Gummy]

Solid Snake nearly looks like my dad... I just noticed that.

[LiquidEagle]

I think people are forgetting the addition of Motion blur as well, as of the Leipzig 06 trailer (the Gekkou attack), and it only got better from there with the trailer showing Beauty & the Beast squad...

Definitely no downgrade here... as Kojima said when they first showed it @ TGS '05, it would look better.

[Jay Gee]

Interesting about the coat.

And the New Version looks MUUUUUUUUCH better.
Graphic downgrade my ass.

Quote this shit for TRUTH. Look at all the extra fucking detail that's been added. God, Kojima just trolled graphics whores HORD. I'm gonna go tell em to cry about it on /v/. LMAO!!!

[GTShotoKen]

Well, I personally think the Snake we see nowadays looks incredible and that April Fools in-game footage made my jaw drop and say, "Now this is what I've been waiting for this generation!!!" (not the whole assassins creed thing, but the real-time gameplay).

[LiquidEagle]

I said it many moons ago... MGS4 is the most next-generation game there is. Once people get to play this beast, they'll see what the next generation is all about.

[Segitz]

Well, I personally think the Snake we see nowadays looks incredible and that April Fools in-game footage made my jaw drop and say, "Now this is what I've been waiting for this generation!!!" (not the whole assassins creed thing, but the real-time gameplay).

F*ck^^ I totally forgot the Metal Gear Assassin video^^ Downloaded it, but never watched it^^

[evillion]

is it me or the faces of the old pics look more natural and life like, especially Otacon's. lighting definetly looks better on the older pics as they are softer and makes everything so natural. the new shots have the obvious upgrade of textures and particle volume, they're darker and more rigid thouhg. also more visiable aliasing on the new shots too. it's a draw for me.

[Jay Gee]

is it me...
Yeah, it's you.

[Nameless]

I'm pretty sure the downgrade in graphics comments comes from the TGS 05 trailer and not from any other.

I don't understand why everyone keeps using different trailers to compare other than the one everyone is referring the game's graphics have downgraded from.

Edit: I personally don't care, but I'm not gonna just ignore the fact that no one uses the first MGS4 trailer for comparisons.

I think the real difference, I would have to say, is seen in video and not in stills anyways.

Edit 2: The original envision of MGS4 Old Snake

http://www.maj.com/gallery/JpegMasterJesse/MGS/modes.gif

New version:

http://www.rotpod.net/rotpod/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/mgs4.jpg

GT, I understand your point and agree; I remember them saying something crazy about the initial snake model have more polygons in his mustache than the whole Snake model on the PS2... *Something like that...*

I'm sure once they started full development they had to tone some of the detail down on the models...

In the bigger scheme of things it does not really matter and the game is going to look great and be an amazing experience when released. After seeing MGS3 on the PS2 I can't imagine what's in store on the PS3... :shocked:

I think some people here are missing the point and going crazy over the visuals when that's not the most important aspect of the game anyway...

[Gummy]

It's his mustache

[cliffbo]

interesting!


PS3’s Metal Gear Solid 4 catching heat for “implied” child rape from BBFC
By Triston McIntyre




One of the most anticipated exclusive titles for the Playstation 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, has caught the attention of the big bad game police over at the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC) because of one rather questionable instance in the game. Though GTA IV has its hookers, and Man Hunt has its gruesome slayings, the BBFC was up in arms that Metal Gear Solid 4 has what was called “implied child rape.”

Sorry to ruin it for those people who didn’t want to hear word one about the game until it was nestled in the Blu-ray drive of their PS3, but at some point in the game, apparently there is “mention of child trauma,” according to developer Kojima. That was originally called “implied child rape” according to the BBFC, as reported by PS3Fanboy.

However, the BBFC was forced to erase its initial statement of “implied child rape.”. Obviously, a real game depiction of child rape would demand the highest possible video game rating, if not make it banned straight out. There’s a large distinction to be made between that which is implicit and that which is depicted.

A larger issue needs to be addressed in this. Debacles like this bring up the age old dilemma of what differentiates video games from film, books, and other forms of media, and how should video game ratings be compared to movie ratings?

After all, movies like Schindler’s List, American History X, and others are permissible because they make a statement about society and culture, right? Though Metal Gear Solid 4 is obviously fictional, what is really the difference between implicit child trauma in video games and that in film? At this point, film is obviously considered a higher form of media entertainment, because film is allowed much more wiggle room with what content it can display.

Some would argue that video games allow you to take control of things that are only depicted on film, which keeps viewers from truly being “involved” in the depiction. That really isn’t a fair argument; pornographic material, movies, and even books are designed to draw viewers and readers in — to have them adopt the roll, emotions, and perspective of the characters those media forms contain.

Really, there is no difference between graphically violent films or books and video games, so how can video games be held to an unfairly higher standard? I’m not saying that child rape is right, or should be depicted anywhere, but if you’re going to act like it never happens, then where is the line drawn?

People shouldn’t be killed. Babies shouldn’t die during birth. Cultures shouldn’t be oppressed. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, and if film is allowed to depict it in whatever way it chooses, then video games should be allowed the same privilege.

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/04/23/ps3s-metal-gear-solid-4-catching-heat-for-implied-child-rape-from-bbfc/

[Jay Gee]

I'm seriously itching to find out exactly what happened to Eva when she fell off the grid back in the 70s. A defection from the Chinese Patriots perhaps?

Oh, and then there's the story of exactly WTF happened to Raiden's body that he had to have an "Alex Murphy" makeover.

And finally, how awesome is the battle between Snake and Laughing Octopus going to be? It may even better than fighting The End!

[cliffbo]

I'm seriously itching to find out exactly what happened to Eva when she fell off the grid back in the 70s. A defection from the Chinese Patriots perhaps?

Oh, and then there's the story of exactly WTF happened to Raiden's body that he had to have an "Alex Murphy" makeover.

And finally, how awesome is the battle between Snake and Laughing Octopus going to be? It may even better than fighting The End!

nothing could be better than fighting 'The End'!!! pure genius... and i shot his parrot! tasted like shit though :(

just in case you haven't heard

Metal Gear Online Beta now open for the US too
News Added: 25 Apr 2008 News Category: Metal Gear Solid Online News By: Furin


The Metal Gear Online beta is now officially open for the United States as well. To download the beta, US players will require a code which they received after pre-ordering Metal Gear Solid 4.

http://metalgearsolid4.net/category/metal-gear-online-news

[Gummy]

that puppeteer was really creepy........
I thought it was.

[Viper]

I think the older images were from a non-playable build (kinda like a target render) that used a very cinematic approach. The new images are actual texture and polygon renderings hence why you can see polygon edges and aliasing in the new pics but not the old.

While I think the older pics would work good for a cinema, the new shots would work better for the the playable game.

[GTShotoKen]

I think the older images were from a non-playable build (kinda like a target render) that used a very cinematic approach. The new images are actual texture and polygon renderings hence why you can see polygon edges and aliasing in the new pics but not the old.

While I think the older pics would work good for a cinema, the new shots would work better for the the playable game.

I never thought of it that way :lol:.

Anyways, I completely forgot to think about the boss fights in MGS4. From fighting a team of Metal Gear Rays in MGS2 to the epic fight between the Boss and Naked Snake in MGS3, I personally have no freaking idea what Kojima that will be better, but I know I'm definitely going to find out once this game ships.

[julps31]

Yea the boss battles are definatly one (of many) things that get me hyped thinking about MGS4. Especially after seeing the gameplay and scripted moments and what not. *drools*

[GTShotoKen]

By the way, I remember reading a quote saying the game runs at 60fps.

If it does, I really wonder why Kojima hasn't released any footage running at that framerate. Seeing games run at 60fps makes a HUGE difference in how it's received visually (Think about CoD4 and DMC4).

Edit: I've been reading other people's opinions on what the framerate in MGS4 will be and I read an interesting comment about motion blur. The user wrote that only 30fps games have used motion blur for every in-game animation, while 60fps games don't have motion blur or only have it during cinematic camera pans. He then has pictures showing MGS4 clearly using motion blur for every animation, so he concludes that it's gonna run at 30 fps.

[Segitz]

Edit: I've been reading other people's opinions on what the framerate in MGS4 will be and I read an interesting comment about motion blur. The user wrote that only 30fps games have used motion blur for every in-game animation, while 60fps games don't have motion blur or only have it during cinematic camera pans. He then has pictures showing MGS4 clearly using motion blur for every animation, so he concludes that it's gonna run at 30 fps.

This is easily explained...


Movies use 24fps and don't stutter at all... this is because of motion blur. If you'd remove the MB or play a game at constant 24fps, you would notice slight stutter in fast paced games (slower games, not so much). So a higher framerate makes less need for MB.

As MGS usually is a slow game, 60fps would be a COMPLETE waste! I just hope, they don't push MB on us (like EA does with NFS or somesuch, I really don't like it).

And, I made a real bargain yesterday. Bough MGS2:S (only had SoL) for 7.99€ at Gamestop... the DVDs are NEW... Not a SINGLE scratch! Only the manual has suffered a little bit... but I don't care about that much^^

[LiquidEagle]

MGS3 was 30 fps as well. Given the kinds of effects & stuff going on with this game, nobody could do any better.

[Sephiroth_VII]

I think it'll be 30 fps, and we really don't need more than that...

[OmniCloud]

hawt!!!

Now this is a game that I will say Screw Everthing else untill I'm finished..

gta wha?:huh:

This is next-gen gaming!

[masteratt]

Hey man MGS4 kicks fucking ass but so does GTA4, pick on another game :rant:

GTA Defence Force lol

Patiently awaiting June, not else you need but the release date when it comes to MGS :guns:

[julps31]

Lol...^ The more good games the better I say.

[yoshaw]

Hey man MGS4 kicks fucking ass but so does GTA4, pick on another game :rant:

GTA Defence Force lol

Patiently awaiting June, not else you need but the release date when it comes to MGS :guns:

:lol: You tell them Masteratt!!

:thumbl:

[dnpmakkah]

I can't wait to fight The Frogs. I'm picturing Kojima is going to pull some slow-mo cinematics during that battle. Also looking forward to encountering those Beauty and the Beast.

[LiquidEagle]

I want to fight Vamp! There are going to be so many amazing moments in this game... I think it should be established that you aren't allowed to say "GOTY" in any thread besides this one :-p

[lips]

By the way, I remember reading a quote saying the game runs at 60fps.

If it does, I really wonder why Kojima hasn't released any footage running at that framerate. Seeing games run at 60fps makes a HUGE difference in how it's received visually (Think about CoD4 and DMC4).

Edit: I've been reading other people's opinions on what the framerate in MGS4 will be and I read an interesting comment about motion blur. The user wrote that only 30fps games have used motion blur for every in-game animation, while 60fps games don't have motion blur or only have it during cinematic camera pans. He then has pictures showing MGS4 clearly using motion blur for every animation, so he concludes that it's gonna run at 30 fps.

I found msg motion blur the most impressive aspect, imho. I do hope the game is smooth, however, I have never had a problem playing a game at 30 fps.

[Overload]

Can't wait to see the new Metal Gear. Rex, Ray, Arsenal and now...

[Jay Gee]

I'm not all too sure that we'll see a new Metal Gear this time 'round. Just seeing them (sons of the Boss) using Rex and Ray gives me that feeling.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I'm thinking the same. And I think the mass produced Irvings/Gekkous are supposed to be 'the new metal gear'. It's not this one big final thing that snake has to stop. It couldn't be stopped, and now they're everywhere, different shapes and sizes and mass-produced.

[Jay Gee]

+rep
Basically, Philanthropy failed. And what we see now is the end result in which Metal Gears are a dime a dozen.

[solidsnakejej]

I think I remember Ryan Payton or Kojima saying that the Gekkous weren't the new metal gear and that there would be a different metal gear, or something like that.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

If there is, then, sweet, I can't wait. But I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed if the former were the case.

[Jay Gee]

The former actually makes more sense storyline-wise. But yeah, if there is a new one, I'm all for it as well, though I doubt it'll be the same type of Metal Gear that we're used to.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

The way I figure it, Liquid Ocelot doesn't need a Metal Gear trump card, he's got a private military matching the size of the United States', the B&B unit, and he still has RAY from MGS2.

[TrueVCU]

Which makes me wonder how that Metal Gear duel is going to work out. Snake in the beaten-ass REX vs. Liquid Ocelot in the fully functional RAY designed specifically to kill it.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the actual, literal grudge match of the century.

[LiquidEagle]

I found msg motion blur the most impressive aspect, imho. I do hope the game is smooth, however, I have never had a problem playing a game at 30 fps.

In addition to the game's excellent motion blur, this game has amazing depth-of-field effects. In the MGO beta, put on the binoculars and move forward as you zoom in and out, I've never seen a game look like that before :-D

[Haji_Chevalier]

And, I made a real bargain yesterday. Bough MGS2:S (only had SoL) for 7.99€ at Gamestop... the DVDs are NEW... Not a SINGLE scratch! Only the manual has suffered a little bit... but I don't care about that much^^

Sorry man but you got ripped. i went to a store here and found it for $5.99 but i ended up buying all three for $25. so in the end.... oh well i think its worth it

[Segitz]

Sorry man but you got ripped. i went to a store here and found it for $5.99 but i ended up buying all three for $25. so in the end.... oh well i think its worth it

MGS2:S is ~15€ to 20€ in Germany... if you can even find it in good condition! I am not joking^^

I am still looking for MGS1 though... Needs to be pristine though for little money

[LiquidEagle]

Substance is at least $24.99 at every Gamestop/EB in the US, are you sure you're not talking about Sons of Liberty, Haji?

[LiquidEagle]

Do you know what day it is tomorrow? ;)

[Segitz]

Do you know what day it is tomorrow? ;)

Do you know, what I played, since my copy of GTA4 does ship until tomorrow^^

[Sephiroth_VII]

Aw, so many memories :grouphug:

[chartwel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo2l9-XJYms

so what do you guys think about that new video? there are some minor spoilers in there, but nothing major or anything you probably havent figured out yet..............still, this raises my hype even more.

[the boney king of nowhere.]

i don't get it, what are they hinting at there?

a remade mgs1 within mgs4?

[³¹¹]

WTF.

That is really interesting. Is that KojiPro made?

So Young Snake is part of a dream?

Weiiiiird.

[JKL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo2l9-XJYms

so what do you guys think about that new video? there are some minor spoilers in there, but nothing major or anything you probably havent figured out yet..............still, this raises my hype even more.
Shadow Moses in MGS4 (new location!)

Snake return in Shadow Moses!!!

[rog27]

Shadow Moses in MGS4 (new location!)

Snake return in Shadow Moses!!!

We already knew this, though. In the TGS 07 trailer, towards the end, Old Snake and Ocelot/Liquid Snake are fighting in Metal Gears in 'Outer Haven'...It just so happens that 'Outer Haven' IS Shadow Moses. Look at the place for crying out loud.

It is exactly the same, people. Old Snake returns to Shadow Moses in this game, obviously.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25139.html

watch 4:19 to 4:43 in the clip.

[Goki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo2l9-XJYms

so what do you guys think about that new video? there are some minor spoilers in there, but nothing major or anything you probably havent figured out yet..............still, this raises my hype even more.


Did u rike it lol, YES I DID. awesome to the bone snow effects.

[Goki]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33452.html

Same video as chartwheel, better quality

[LiquidEagle]

Need HD version, FAST!

[Xclusion]

I can't wait for someone to gif the face morph from ps1 to ps3.

[LiquidEagle]

I made this one myself from the Gametrailers footage, once an HD version is out a proper one shall be made :-D

[FantasyGhost]

http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/img/080502_ps3msg4_a.jpg (http://xs227.xs.to/xs227/08185/welcome_box_black729.jpg)http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/img/080502_ps3msg4_c.jpg (http://xs227.xs.to/xs227/08185/welcome_box_silver916.jpg)http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/img/080502_ps3msg4_b.jpg (http://xs227.xs.to/xs227/08185/welcome_box_white655.jpg)

[yoshaw]

http://xs227.xs.to/xs227/08185/welcome_box_silver916.jpg

OMG!!!! Silver PS3 =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o =-o

Black and White
http://xs227.xs.to/xs227/08185/welcome_box_black729.jpg
http://xs227.xs.to/xs227/08185/welcome_box_white655.jpg

[Raitei]

US or JP...

because if its JP theres nothing new....

but looking at the coverart on the boxart... looks US

[LiquidEagle]

Pretty sure it's Japanese, look at the text below "DUAL SHOCK 3"

US's bundles are 80 GB models and we don't have all them fancy colours :-p

[Xclusion]

yeah its for our fellow jpn's

[LiquidEagle]

http://www.g4tv.com/xplay/blog/post/685131/Exclusive_MGS4_Footage_On_XPlay_Tonight.html

Tonight on X-Play is your only chance to catch never-before-seen World Exclusive gameplay from Konami’s Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots for the PlayStation 3.

No teaser trailers. No cinematics. No gimmicks. We have brand new in-game footage for this television broadcast exclusive which can only be seen on X-Play’s new episode tonight at 8pm. Only on G4.

Once again, this is Metal Gear footage that you won't be able to find anywhere else, and we're not putting online. If you want to see the latest from the mind of Kojima, be sure to tune in to tonight's X-Play!

Plus new World Premiere gameplay of Silicon Knight’s Too Human for the Xbox 360 and Morgan Webb’s Exclusive Hands-On with Star Wars: The Force Unleashed for Xbox 360. X-Play Summer Games Preview concludes tonight and we have saved the best for last.

[NeoPlayStation]

TiVO for the win!

[Passive]

*enters*

HD MGS4 revived clip (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33545.html)

dunno if its been posted (mostly likely but oh well) i saw a mate down town and he blurted it out to mebut i could only find an SD until now -.- seems i cant avoid spoilers. but anyway.


*leaves*

[yoshaw]

Seems we can't download the HD video yet.

[Segitz]

Seems we can't download the HD video yet.

Works for me (now)

[LiquidEagle]

Yeah, me too. Downloading now :-D

Did anybody snag that X Play footage?

Ohh... here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg1TVw9lST8

Gg1TVw9lST8

Great to see some more gameplay, of course, but Adam Sessler needs to shut the fuck up.

[Sephiroth_VII]

SHUT.THE.FUCK.UP(TM)fucking caps block....

[cliffbo]

More Info About Metal Gear Solid 4 Flashbacks

The latest issue of PlayStation: The Official Magazine has more info on what-looks-like playable Metal Gear Solid memories in MGS4. According to the magazine, cut scenes at the beginning of the missions refer to the franchise's evolution. What's more:


...as characters talk and reference other stars of this universe, you may see an X or L1 button icon quickly flash on the screen. Hit the right button while it's highlighted and you'll be treated to a very brief context flashback. Basically, the system uses images and moments from the past Metal Gear games to help visually rekindle your own memories of the who, what, where, and why.


In short: Clues you into what the fuck is going on. Helpful!

Thanks, T.G. for the tip!

http://kotaku.com/386418/more-info-about-metal-gear-solid-4-flashbacks

[yoshaw]

It appears Konami sent them a pre-baked footage for airing on TV. Sessler or anyone at G4TV had no clue to what'll be there. I reckon this should explain the cheesy cynical jokes he tries to make during the length of the video. Especially the rocket launcher part, IMO.

[LiquidEagle]

http://kotaku.com/386418/more-info-about-metal-gear-solid-4-flashbacks

That isn't new.

and yoshaw, that's interesting. It's not like Sessler deserves a personal gameplay session with this game :-p

[Smokey]

hang on let me get this staight is MGS playable in these graphics? if not i dont get it...........