Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[VG Aficionado]

All those screenshots have been available at IGN with that same resolution and quality since E3. And actually, there's one missing in both batches. Go to Kojima Productions site and guess which one.

[Epix]

All those screenshots have been available at IGN with that same resolution and quality since E3. And actually, there's one missing in both batches. Go to Kojima Productions site and guess which one.

Can I do it later? I really should get some work done today.

[TEEDA]

Kikizo has the 15 minutes trailer 512 MB in 850 X 480 5Mbps

http://games.kikizo.com/news/200605/081.asp

enjoy.

[makeitlookreal]

At this URL there is a 512MB file of the 15 Minute 2006 E3 trailer. However, it is only 480P and not 720P.

http://games.kikizo.com/news/200605/081.asp

All I can say is that when I was comparing the TGS footage in 480P compared to 720P there was a HUGE ammount of difference in the ammount of details that could be seen. We still need the 720P version if anyone can find it!

[Z]

I really hope Kojima gets high and pushes for full on 1080p glory. I need some serious bang to throw at my-soon-to-get 1080p 40" Bravia! :)

[Coded-Dude]

can't decide whether to get the 40 or 46 incher?
*no jokes OnBake, if you do infact read PS forums that is*

[julps31]

At this URL there is a 512MB file of the 15 Minute 2006 E3 trailer. However, it is only 480P and not 720P.

http://games.kikizo.com/news/200605/081.asp

All I can say is that when I was comparing the TGS footage in 480P compared to 720P there was a HUGE ammount of difference in the ammount of details that could be seen. We still need the 720P version if anyone can find it!For one...that video of MGS4 you posted up from TGS didn't look any better than this demo in terms of the video quality. The only difference was that it was running faster. I got a much better quality version of that trailer. And two...look at those screens on Kikizo. You can get a good idea of how the actual game looks from those...not so terrible huh?

[LiquidEagle]

http://www.uberlg.com/E3_MGS4_3.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/E3_MGS4_5.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_a_001.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_a_003.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_a_003_.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_a_009.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_a_c002.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_c_017.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_c_027.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_d_000.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_e_cam_002.jpg

Sorry I didn't post them earlier -- the format I changed them to (they were originally .psd files) wasn't working in web browsers for some reason. Lemme know if those have any problems -- otherwise that's the best I can do :)

I know the pictures are old, hopefully their huge size isn't :-D

[makeitlookreal]

The 720P TGS trailer looked much better than this 480P trailer. Now, I don't know what all factors were involved or what was done to each trailer. I am not technically savy enough to figure all of that out.

I also tried to compare a 480P TGS trailer to the 480P E3 2006 trailer, and could tell the TGS version was slightly better at times, but then again I could not figure out how to run both at the same time side by side with WMV. So honestly I cannot accurately compare the too without being able to put them both side by side.

All I can say is nothing but the 720P TGS clip has graphics anything close to the HD still images that have been circulated around the net. Basically, to me, the images from TGS and E3 look about the same. However, I have yet to download a version of this E3's MGS4 clip that can even compare to the still images of this E3. I can however look at the still images from TGS and compare them to the 720P TGS trailer and they look almost the same.

We really, really need the 720P E3 trailer!

[makeitlookreal]

Liquid Eagle,

Those images are really sharp and detailed. Where did you get them? Do you happen to know where someone can download the trailer those images came from?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

STOP. WORRYING. ABOUT IT. YOU CAN TELL IT LOOKS GOOD. JUST USE YOUR SENSES! IF YOU HAVE ANY. You don't NEED a 720p trailer to tell how good the visuals are. It's clear! Stop being so obsessed! Just use some common sense!





why do I even bother?

[julps31]

Liquid Eagle,

Those images are really sharp and detailed. Where did you get them? Do you happen to know where someone can download the trailer those images came from?Those images aren't from any trailer lol. They're probably directly off they dev kits man. Use your damn brain man...hate to sound harsh...no i don't lol.

[LiquidEagle]

I didn't get them from a trailer :(

I definitely would have shared the trailer if I had it! :-p Anyhoo, they're straight off of Konami's press disc from E3 :)

No trailer was on the disc, but I'm sure we'll get a trailer eventually. Maybe even a DVD like they did in 2000? :-D

I think your best bet may be to flood (well not flood, but respectfully bug ;)) the folks at KojiPro/HIDEOBLOG asking for 720p -- obviously it exists and I don't think they have anything to lose (and plenty to gain!) from releasing it IMO.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Meh.
Fanart.










http://xs100.xs.to/xs100/06204/MGS4-Fanart.jpg

[LiquidEagle]

Looks okay as far as MGS art goes, but it's certainly worlds better than I can ever draw :'(

http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_d_000.jpg -- do you think anybody will give Raiden a hard time for wearing high-heels??

[venomv]

I hope not, I never hated Raiden anyway though.

[solidus]

http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_d_000.jpg -- do you think anybody will give Raiden a hard time for wearing high-heels??
After seeing as to what purpose they have? I doubt it...

[LiquidEagle]

Let's start placing bets on how much suffering befalls upon the poor soul who does crack a joke on the heels of death :-p

Just to piss people off for no reason, a friend of mine at E3 was watching the trailer and these 3 dudes (whom he described as looking like jocks, of all people to be at E3) in front of him wouldn't stop looking unimpressed. Then when the Raiden sequence ended, they look at each other and just go "ugh, Japanese games." Every time I think about that I just have to say WOW. Then I get mad. And so should you. Stamp out stupidity like this anywhere you see it, whether it's illegal or not guys :-p

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yes there are people in the world who lack decency, and they should be punished without hesitation, without pity.

----
the heels also probably make him more agile, since he's always on his toes, in a manner of speaking.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

(double post! my bad)

[agentorange]

I hope those destructible environment and those impressive bullet holes and scratches are not just for the cut scene. I hope you can make holes on wall to spy or snipe on somebody or blow up buildings or walls as traps to crush your enemies or made it as your fortress. I hope those will be featured on the game. I kinda like the camo ala predator movie and also I hope that there will be features that you can trap you enemies by tri\icking them just like that watemellon part.

By the way its just me but I find Gears of war and Halo 3 having better texture and more color. Also those two are more organic and shiny. MGS 4 is very grainy and there is still some polygon looks on it. But I still like MGS 4 more than those 2 since those 2 are FPS which is very much saturated category. I rather wait for killzone PS3 (if it is exactly the same as the cgi demo) if its FPS. OH my MGS 4 and killzone ps3 and FF13 is the only one that can save Sony this time. They lost a lot of followers and fans. Lots of them even fanboys.

[Smokey]

mgs4 is made to be grainy i think, it gives it a more realistic look IMO :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

yeah. it's a visual filter. plus good graphics isn't even kojima's goal. which I always think is funny that he says that.

[Smokey]

by the way LaLiLuLeLo2003 nice Fanart mate :)

[Fazares]

STOP. WORRYING. ABOUT IT. YOU CAN TELL IT LOOKS GOOD. JUST USE YOUR SENSES! IF YOU HAVE ANY. You don't NEED a 720p trailer to tell how good the visuals are. It's clear! Stop being so obsessed! Just use some common sense!





why do I even bother?
of course,but it would be excellent if we could have a 15min trailer in hd...there is so much detail lost in the low res one...:unsure:

[LiquidEagle]

Halo naturally has a larger color palette/tone than MGS4 does, but that doesn't mean it looks better -- the smoke looked the same as this generation's, and there wasn't anything else about it that stood above any other game we've seen.

I'm also hoping we can get those kinds of destructible environments, and I think that's a lot of what Kojima is aiming for -- if his example of pouring water on a tree and making it grow is anything to go on, then a large object smashing into another large object to deform it should certainly be in the cards.

I don't think Gears of War is more organic at all though -- far from it. To me Gears of War is a tech demo for UE3 on XBox 360, but it still has this fake clay (and I'm not the first person to use that description) look to it that makes everything look very digitized and virtual -- like you're not really there. MGS4 not only has a noise/grain type filter on it to make it look like a film, but it's got a very bleak, dusty setting that isn't going to lend itself to bright colors or fancy buildings. Not to mention in motion this game looks worlds better than any other game I think we've seen. Couple that with the fact that graphics aren't even a focus...I think this game is just fine :-p

One thing I notice in this MGS4 trailer though is that some of the textures could use some work. A lot of the walls & stuff we see are super high-res and really nice, but other ones (namely the tile floor, which we saw lots of up-close) looked kinda meh, and hopefully they're just placeholders. I'd love to see some more bump/normal mapping on things like that, but other things like Snake's suit, Meryl's uniform, and Otacon's outfit look fantastic. Not to mention Snake's 'stache. There's one part in the trailer when Snake's in the helicopter and it's a close-up of his face, and his mustache looks so fantastic. And if things look polygon-ish, it's because they are. Just like the real world is made of shapes, so will our games be. :-p

[RzrWire]

As seen at the end of the trailer the Metal Gear Solid 4 title comes up. The letters L are positioned in a certain way. If one were to look at it upside down they would see 777 as the 4 looks like a 7. This could signify a 7/7/2007 release date. It would complement the 20th anniversary of the original Metal Gear being released on 7/7/1987.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGS4

:worthy: to whoever thought about that! I mentioned earlier in this thread that I thought the number 7 could refer to the fact that 7 main characters (Snake, Meryl, Otacon, Campbell, Naomi, Liquid Ocelot and Raiden) star in the latest trailer, but the date guess is a more interesting conclusion! Anyway, I'd rather let Kojima Productions spend as much time as MGS4 requires instead of rushing development to have it ready by July next year.

Someone pulled a Handycrap101!!! =-o

Edit: I'm Post 1777! It's fate I tell ya.

[VG Aficionado]

Just to piss people off for no reason, a friend of mine at E3 was watching the trailer and these 3 dudes (whom he described as looking like jocks, of all people to be at E3) in front of him wouldn't stop looking unimpressed. Then when the Raiden sequence ended, they look at each other and just go "ugh, Japanese games." Every time I think about that I just have to say WOW. Then I get mad. And so should you. Stamp out stupidity like this anywhere you see it, whether it's illegal or not guys :-pYou know, if a game has a greater dimension than being an unemotional character with a green shiny superbulky armor and/or nonstop brainless shooting along with other cheap and unoriginal features, it's not cool.

[Smokey]

i always knew using 777 in me name had some meaning lol

[VG Aficionado]

Someone pulled a Handycrap101!!! =-o

Edit: I'm Post 1777! It's fate I tell ya.ZOMFG!

i always knew using 777 in me name had some meaning lolLMAO!

[VG Aficionado]

Check Kojima's interview at cliffbo's thread (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=56782). To me, the most important tidbit is that Otacon's MG Mark II hasn't been totally discarded from the game just yet (but what's up with the Solid Eye system?). Also, even though he implied it several times in past interviews, now it's confirmed that MGS4 events will happen in several countries. Also, they have the intention to make a worldwide launch, although it's not a promise yet.

[Z]

http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_d_000.jpg -- do you think anybody will give Raiden a hard time for wearing high-heels??
just think of them as cowboy boots. ;p

Raiden is way too cool to have anything on him. his intro completely erased all the negativeness he had about him. I don't care anymore, this looks to be the best damn character in gaming!
Just to piss people off for no reason, a friend of mine at E3 was watching the trailer and these 3 dudes (whom he described as looking like jocks, of all people to be at E3) in front of him wouldn't stop looking unimpressed. Then when the Raiden sequence ended, they look at each other and just go "ugh, Japanese games." Every time I think about that I just have to say WOW. Then I get mad. And so should you. Stamp out stupidity like this anywhere you see it, whether it's illegal or not guys
guess some people are subscribers to Snail Weekly and love to watch mud dry. you can't blame them for being too boring.
MGS 4 is very grainy and there is still some polygon looks on it.
that is intentional. Kojima said they could have gone with a more 'real' art direction to the game (like what Heavy Rain did) but they wanted to make the game have its own unique atmosphere. they said MGS1&2 had that 'blueish' feel. with MGS4, they want a greyish, greenish, silverish kind of thing . I htink they want to represent modern day battle fields and the thought of giant weapons, sorrow, sadness, loss, etc.

in last year's MGS4 first showing, they were playing with the color scheme live infront of people. they chose the blue one and kojima said " this looks like the old MGS games). so they chose the new scheme intentionally.

[VG Aficionado]

just think of them as cowboy boots. ;pAre you sure that's going to do any good to Raiden's reputation right now? :ghey: :cowboy:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Broke Back Raiden! LOL.

Actually I think the heels are awesome because they give him more mobility, more spring in his step, and allow him to do that awesome ass sword foot grab move thing. Seeing what he did with it you can't sit there and tell me it's not cool. If I saw someone dissing mgs4's extended trailer like those guys, I might have had to snap their necks.

[Nameless]

La, I don't know about the heels being awesome...
I like to overall character design, but you have to admit he kind of looks like a chick in that one screen shot standing in the street. I still think his action sequence was amazing, Raiden is the man in MGS4, but I'm middle of the road for the art direction with his costume design... (take it easy on me fellas, that's just my opinion...)

Also, it would have been kind of cool if they introduced a new female ninja character in MGS4 (a new version of the boss from MGS3) Perhaps the boss genes were used, something like that, you fill in the blanks...

[TEEDA]

When you know what Kojima team does with MGS3 and the PS2.here are some MGS3 high res screens to compare with MGS4. and there s one step to take for MGS4.


http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/514/514348/metal-gear-solid-3-snake-eater-20040512063129814.jpg
http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/514/514348/metal-gear-solid-3-snake-eater-20040512063107815.jpg
http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/513/513931/metal-gear-solid-3-snake-eater-20040511114430695.jpg

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I don't think he looks like a chick at all standing there. Looks like a dude in a trench coat, with cyber heels. It's not like their stilettos. And I can't say I have any beef with them at all after seeing what he did with it. Honestly I think people just need something to latch on to because of how awesome it is..
"well, meeehhh why's he got heeeeellss?"

[Smokey]

i gotta say he still looks a bit on the feminine side (dont bash me lol)

[Nameless]

Honestly I think people just need something to latch on to because of how awesome it is..

I agree with that statement, since E3 anti-Sony has been rampant on the internet. I think things will calm down once TGS rolls around and next year when we see some of the amazing PS3 titles come to fruition...

[LiquidEagle]

He does look a bit feminine -- he's Raiden and he's always had that feminine side that Japanese love about their heroes. Not a bad thing. I distinctly remember watching Solid Snake take this pose in front of Otacon in MGS1 as we're looking from Otacon's view and Snake puts one hand on his hip and he rests on that, and it looked very feminine to me. However, I still thought it was cool and sometimes I catch myself doing it :-p

Anyways, ridiculousness aside, the heels are cool, I just brought them up because I knew people would be looking for something to diss on this game and that's probably all they can muster: "his shoes look gay!!" ;)

I'm not so sure this 777 thing means anything guys. At first I looked at it to see what the 7 could mean, but there's only 2 7s and the other is still a 4, even if you're looking for something. After awhile I just figured that it was a way of extending the letters and deriving the L's from the 4 to make it look cool, and it didn't really have any meaning. It could be that Kojima recently saw Lucky Number S7evin and he kinda derived from that -- and why not? That movie was really good IMO, and seems like it might be Kojima's thing.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I agree, Liquid, a touch of femininity isn't bad, it balances out a cold hard killer. Or else you get characters like in GoW or Unreal 2k7 that are extremely one dimensional.

[Nameless]

I agree Liquid & La have a point, but you are not selling me on those shoes... LMAO!

[Coded-Dude]

um....did you guys/girls even see the video? The boots seemed more like a necessety than a feminine aesthetic...

(pics coming shortly)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

um....did you guys/girls even see the video? The boots seemed more like a necessety than a feminine aesthetic...

(pics coming shortly)

EXACTLY. Thank you :salute:

[LiquidEagle]

I don't see how anybody could watch that MGS4 trailer and not want a pair of those shoes! :-p

EDIT: Where'd my sig go??

EDIT: oh, there it is.

[Goki]

YEA but they didnt have to make them so high, rather just more base on the shoe, then a smal rectangular cut in the middle, or some other design, u gotta be kidding if that design on the shoe was unintentinal, its frickin stilettos and Shinkawa knows it. i mean its not only the shoes, but the body shape of Raiden, he has frickin huge hips, but that i can live with, (i got some myself lol) but the shoes, i aint buying sorry, they could have used other design and not make it look that way.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I don't see how anybody could watch that MGS4 trailer and not want a pair of those shoes! :-p

That's what I'm talkin about! So badass!

[Coded-Dude]

{as promised}
notice that all these pics show Raiden using his BOOTS to hold his sword....that is SIC!
(sorry for quality, but I didn't wan't to wait on a better quality download)

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6637/vlcsnap7320370zb.png
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3572/vlcsnap7320857ju.png
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6116/vlcsnap7321253vu.png
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/9812/vlcsnap7321608fe.png
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/3702/vlcsnap7321927bf.png
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/4403/vlcsnap7322838lw.png
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/8259/vlcsnap7324243kn.png
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/4670/vlcsnap7326780ng.png
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/4601/vlcsnap7328191rj.png
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/6249/vlcsnap7328735qg.png

If that is feminine, I am getting a sex change.......

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah I need to watch that again. Right now.

[Goki]

hmm, maybe its just that one pick making it look that way, ive seen the trailer over 10 times, i knew there had to be something with the shoes, but they looked like ninja shoes in the trailer, that pic just destroyed it, but maybe its just the angle of the shoot making it look so feminine.

[Nameless]

Let's not over analyze this, it's just a pair of kicks... (I was having some fun with the subject, but it's getting out of hand...)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I second that. You shouldn't have ever brought it up Whiny McWhinerpants!

[Z]

Are you sure that's going to do any good to Raiden's reputation right now?
Broke Back Raiden! LOL.
damn, that didn't work. time for plan B; use Men in Black memory eraser pen!
"teet teet..SWOOSH"
what were you saying?

Also, it would have been kind of cool if they introduced a new female ninja character in MGS4 (a new version of the boss from MGS3) Perhaps the boss genes were used, something like that, you fill in the blanks...
well, there has been a kick ass cool female character in each game.
MGS1: Sniper Wolf
MGS2: Fortune
MGS3: The Boss (a.k.a The Joy)
MGS4: Yo Mamma (a.k.a Still Waitin' To Find Out)
i gotta say he still looks a bit on the feminine side (dont bash me lol)
just like how the Japs like'em.

PS. is his suite coated with glass or am I just seeing things? look at the bullet hole in his chest.

[LiquidEagle]

Here's a project I did for Digital Video... I compiled pieces of Twin Snakes & Snake Eater trailers with some music (the first bit should be familiar!)

http://www.uberlg.com/mgs.wmv

It's about 17 MB so it's not too bad of a download :-p

also, I'm not sure how but I missed a bunch of MGS4 screens... here's the rest that everybody has that I forgot to upload:

http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_e_mrl_002.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_e_sna_001.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_e_nao_002.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_d_012.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_d_008.jpg
http://www.uberlg.com/mgs4_e3_2006_a_c002.jpg

Sorry about that :)

[LaLiLuLeLo]

damn, that didn't work. time for plan B; use Men in Black memory eraser pen!
"teet teet..SWOOSH"
what were you saying?


well, there has been a kick ass cool female character in each game.
MGS1: Sniper Wolf
MGS2: Fortune
MGS3: The Boss (a.k.a The Joy)
MGS4: Yo Mamma (a.k.a Still Waitin' To Find Out)

just like how the Japs like'em.

PS. is his suite coated with glass or am I just seeing things? look at the bullet hole in his chest.


I think when the metalgear pokes him in the chest, that's some of the artificial environment in his suit escaping, like you see when he finishes them all and shows his face.

[Smokey]

dont get ME wrong im not looking for something to bag on the game, i hold it with the highest regard. its the epitone of gaming IMO and youse are right that the japanese love more feminine characters. the way his shoes are they are more of a cows hoof!

[LiquidEagle]

Cow's hoof? :laugh: we're going all over the place with those shoes.

speaking of cows though, does anybody have a quote/link to where Kojima says those animal sounds are intentional? I tried explaining it to my friend but I just couldn't find the right words other than, "it was intentional."

[VG Aficionado]

The upper part is a robot and is AI controlled. It's not very smart. We're gong to let you in on a little secret regarding that machine. If you watch the trailer again, when it comes out you can hear the crying noise of the cicada bug. In Japan, when you hear the cries of cicada, to most japanese people, it automatically makes them think of summer. And then it brings you back to your childhood, because there was so much nature in the past, so many cicada.

The footsteps soudn it makes is actually a horse. When it approaches you, you have the cicada sound and the sound of a horse approaching you. Also, the cries of the machine are from a cow. So, there's a horse, a cow, and a cicada. All that combined gives you a natural feeling. This is the mental, psychological way to kill an enemy. See, in a battlefield you have a tense feeling. But when this machine approaches you, you have the horse sound, and the cow cry, and the cicada cry, and it makes you forget where you are and think about your childhood. You feel a little peaceful.

[Epix]

Is it just me or does Kojima sound a little nuts?

[masteratt]

Oh Kojima....What will you say next?

[VG Aficionado]

If his ideas didn't seem crazy at all, his games would never be any good.

[Z]

first off, I didn't even notice his high-heels until you guys mentioned it. lol

about the giant robots's noises; I don't know what childhood Kojima had, but those sounds definitly don't remind me of my childhood, nor are they relaxing. they are very disturbing and alarming. these remind of the the sounds I here in the dark in Silent Hill games!

[Coded-Dude]

:lol:

[Nameless]

Is it just me or does Kojima sound a little nuts?
King, you get the quote of the day, priceless... LOL!

[Fats]

first off, I didn't even notice his high-heels until you guys mentioned it. lol

about the giant robots's noises; I don't know what childhood Kojima had, but those sounds definitly don't remind me of my childhood, nor are they relaxing. they are very disturbing and alarming. these remind of the the sounds I here in the dark in Silent Hill games!

Like the horse that runs around you in the yard outside the prison? Good times. :worthy:

[venomv]

I don't know about Kojima but when I hear cicadas I wanna kill something, man those things are annoying.

[VG Aficionado]

Cows sound familiar to me, horses maybe, but cicadas certainly not. I wonder whether Kojima would change the cicada noise to adapt it to something more familiar depending on the territory each gamer is in. He has probably thought about this, but I don't know if he'll do anything about it.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I hate cicadas. They're all big and creepy looking and shit. I don't see how the noises are supposed to relax you, although it's a good idea. That shit would freak me out if I saw one.

[Coded-Dude]

cicadas - just like a thunderstorm

If you grew up aroudn them, they are relaxing and you can usually sleep through em, but if not they can be rather frightening and un-nerving

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Thunderstorms, yes. Those don't bother me at all. I rarely see cicadas. Good observation.

[Z]

in Japan, it is a little different. cicadas do actually remind Japs fo their childhood since they are around them. look at anime, you will have a hard time finding a single production that doesn't have a cicada sound (or that lauching bird sound).

cicadas - just like a thunderstorm

If you grew up aroudn them, they are relaxing and you can usually sleep through em, but if not they can be rather frightening and un-nerving
erm..yeah sure. if you were a baby Frankishtine. this is like saying you'll get acustomed to exploding grenades if you lived around them. well, you don't. and I have all the missing fingures to prove it!

I wonder whether Kojima would change the cicada noise to adapt it to something more familiar depending on the territory each gamer is in.
if Kojima wants to make me feel calm, he has to remove all thouse sounds and have them replaced with Maddona's voice singing Frozen. that or Celen Deon doing Ocean of Love. man those two really melt me.

[NoName]

Maybe that was the point, so when you hear those cicadas' sound in the game you will know something bad is coming.

[Old_Timer!]

Growing up in the caribbean, I can relate to what Kojima says about cidas reminding one of his youth so it might be relaxing. But for someone that never heard these beetles it is a unsettling sound.
Either way, it will be physocological warfare. So either the player is relaxed or overly excited just because of a sound it's all part of the master plan. Thumbs up Kojima San.
I can only imagine how Kojima will implement the DS3 controller into the game, I would imagine that you tilt the controller and Snake peeks around a corner.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

he suggested shaking the controller to get gaurds to drop items while you're dragging them for one thing. I think that's tight as hell.

[VG Aficionado]

"When are we going to see Zone of the Enders 3?"

Kojima-san laughed when we asked him this question but he didn't shoot it down.

"I want to make it," he said. "But I'm so busy with MGS4 that I have to focus on that right now."

When we asked him what system he'd likely bring it to, he replied:
"Probably PlayStation 3, or maybe Xbox 360."

Take from that what you will. http://blogs.ign.com/Makaze-IGN/

[LaLiLuLeLo]

IT BETTER NOT BE ON 360. PLAYSTATION is where his fanbase is!
*holds back tears*

[LiquidEagle]

Thanks for the quote. I've never heard a cicada, or at least I don't know what sound they make... I'll have to look that up. Keep in mind that he specifically said "In Japan" when he mentioned them reminding people of childhood. I think for Americans the closest thing I could think of would either be crickets chirping (reminds me of summer evenings or camping or something) or something like that.

My friend came up with a great idea of using the tilt sensor for sniping. You hold R1 to go into sniping view and then you can tilt the controller to aim it. That would be glorious. Shaking guards is cool too :)

[Z]

damn, ZOE3 is my personal FF7 remake...*snif..snif*

But for someone that never heard these beetles it is a unsettling sound.
I think they are closer to flies than they are to beetles.

read up on the little critters here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicadas

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Actually I would liken them more to crickets in the sound they make, not appearance. And they way larger than flies.

[Sephiroth_VII]

about the giant robots's noises; I don't know what childhood Kojima had, but those sounds definitly don't remind me of my childhood, nor are they relaxing. they are very disturbing and alarming. these remind of the the sounds I here in the dark in Silent Hill games!
Well then. Imagine that you're walking through the Jungle of MGS3. No BG music, and suddenly you hear the sound of a cicada. You haven't read this article, and finds it rather funny that this sound grows louder. Maybe you'll go into FP-view mode, and start to look around to see wether there are real insects in the game. Since you're looking for an insect, you don't notice the big metallic thing sneaking through the trees above you....

Also, the next time you hear that sound, it might just be a normal insect, but it'll put you totally on-guard, thereby stressing you. That's the meaning of psycological warfare; stress and anxiety.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Well then. Imagine that you're walking through the Jungle of MGS3. No BG music, and suddenly you hear the sound of a cicada. You haven't read this article, and finds it rather funny that this sound grows louder. Maybe you'll go into FP-view mode, and start to look around to see wether there are real insects in the game. Since you're looking for an insect, you don't notice the big metallic thing sneaking through the trees above you....

Also, the next time you hear that sound, it might just be a normal insect, but it'll put you totally on-guard, thereby stressing you. That's the meaning of psycological warfare; stress and anxiety.

fixed.

[LiquidEagle]

What would be cooler is if they didn't even put those sounds in the actual game, and they replaced them with something else so we weren't expecting those noises and our first experience with a Gekkou sneaking up on us would be totally new and surprising :-D

Did anybody watch that video I made? :-p

[Z]

that is a nice way of putting it. :)

[masonite]

cicadas are bloody loud.... weve got them in australia, and a single one makes a loud sound - but they all come out at once, they live underground for years, and all come out at EXACTLY the same time - i mean, within hours they're all above ground chrping (any we don't know how they do it yet). so an entire generation of cicadas is chirping at once. VERY loud, and distinctive. kind of creepy too, because the sound is all around you, and it's a bit of an agressive sound. The actual creatures ate ugly too. they look like a cross between a cricket and a fly, i guess - they're about 5-8 cm long (about 2-3inches). it seems like a fitting sound for the creatures to make, the sound is almost mechanical, sort of like a high-pitched cross between a cricket and a frog.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Believe it or not, but I almost can't fall asleep without the sound of cicadas... Even though Denmark doesn't have a lot of those guys, grasshoppers are useable;).

[CreativeWriter]

There are plenty of cicadas in the American South. Hell, there are some outside my apartment right now, and I live near Kansas City. In general there are far fewer bugs here than in Arkansas, but the cicadas have survived. For me, cicadas are relaxing...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah I've seen them, but I've heard the sound more than I've actually seen them. But I don't frequent them enough to be comfortable with them, and I'm not fond of critters in the first place, except particularly harmless ones like grasshoppers and worms, benign things.

[warmachine]

Has anyone noticed, that Meryl wears a bullet as an earring?
I wonder if it's just decoration or if it has something to do with the story.

07.07.07 can't come fast enough!

[VG Aficionado]

New Hideo Kojima video interview (http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/vids_1.html)

Has anyone noticed, that Meryl wears a bullet as an earring?Yes. At first I thought whether that could be a bullet shot to her by Sniper Wolf, but as far as I know, sniper rifle bullets have a different (longer) shape than that. The bullet looks like it was never fired, and is it a 9mm one? Maybe it's the one Snake loads in his gun at the end of the trailer after a plot twist :-p

[LiquidEagle]

She's also wearing a bandana. What a poser!

[makeitlookreal]

Do you think it will be possible for MGS4 to have levels or areas outside of the middle east? For example, could he be called away to meet someone in lets say a large European city somewhere to get some important intel? I would love it if they could produce a leve in a major city with some cool car chase scenes!

[Sephiroth_VII]

Kojima-sama did say that the game is going to span many parts of the world, so I suppose that's a yes.

[Z]

sounds of frogs and crickets and dogs are more natural to me. it really depends on the surrounding you grew up in. I bet New Yorkens feel calmed by car horns. lol

about the music, any idea from what part of the world it resembles? I get a feeling of a mixed of classical Chinese/Japanese with modern instruments.

PS. talking about trailer music, the ending part of Alone in the Dark was amazing! kinda like Z.O.E. *snif, snif*

[LiquidEagle]

Well I think the woman's voice is kinda middle-eastern sounding, but the violin has like a Yo-Yo Ma vibe to it, more like Chinese music. That's my observation but I'm no world music expert :-p

As for the locations, who knows where we'll be going? We could just be going to different cities in the Middle East, or we could be going back to Shadow Moses, or even back onto Arsenal Gear (wherever it is now)! I think that'll remain a secret since it's important to the story, but I'm not sure what to expect. I'm gonna try to not expect to have a jungle level, a city level, a desert level, and so on like other games have, that way I won't be expecting some wide variety.

[Old_Timer!]

did you guys see the new interview at IGN?
source: http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/vids_1.html

[Sephiroth_VII]

Yeah, it's already been posted earlier;)

[Z]

WAAAAAAWWWOOOOHHOOOO!!!

*just seen the 15 min. trailer*

WWWAAAAAHOOOHHOOOAAAAAA!

*slow, I know. I'm on dial-freakin-up*

that is the most crazy and exciting thing I have ever seen!! FF13 who!? have you seen those freaking bots and how the move? The Hounds from Hell is what they should me called!
and that Cyborg-Riden-Ninja! he wipes the floor with all of'em. damn crazy as Hell!

My God. I had 20 heart attackes, 3 comas, 5 buckets of mouth foam and hickups for a week after seeing all of that!
damn, Sony's pre-E3 conference should only be a run of that video and that is it. just close up and leave.
it combines every thing; unbelieveable graphics, kick ass designs, out of this worls moves, fantastic atmosphere, touching moments, amasing music, great style...the works!

damn you Shinkawa, Yo Da Man! Yo Da Maaaaan!! Kojima and Shinkawa are a killer duo! d--O_o--b

[Sephiroth_VII]

Lol, relax Z!!!
But yeah, the MGS4 trailer is tah shit!!

[Z]

wait a minute, wait a minute, I always wanted to use this expression and this is the right time for it. hold your breath:

"MGS4 roXXors my boXXors!11!!"

lol

[Sephiroth_VII]

Seriosly Z, get yourself some broadband. Is it really that expensive in Saudi Arabia? Remember, MGS4 comes with online, so you'll want to have broadband by then;) Otherwise, I can't kick your ass online:stirpot:

[julps31]

WAAAAAAWWWOOOOHHOOOO!!!

*just seen the 15 min. trailer*

WWWAAAAAHOOOHHOOOAAAAAA!

*slow, I know. I'm on dial-freakin-up*

that is the most crazy and exciting thing I have ever seen!! FF13 who!? have you seen those freaking bots and how the move? The Hounds from Hell is what they should me called!
and that Cyborg-Riden-Ninja! he wipes the floor with all of'em. damn crazy as Hell!

My God. I had 20 heart attackes, 3 comas, 5 buckets of mouth foam and hickups for a week after seeing all of that!
damn, Sony's pre-E3 conference should only be a run of that video and that is it. just close up and leave.
it combines every thing; unbelieveable graphics, kick ass designs, out of this worls moves, fantastic atmosphere, touching moments, amasing music, great style...the works!

damn you Shinkawa, Yo Da Man! Yo Da Maaaaan!! Kojima and Shinkawa are a killer duo! d--O_o--bI'm happy you said that Z lol. That "MGS4 who" comment shouldv'e got you slapped lol. j/k I can't wait to see a high-res vid though.

[Z]

Sephiroth
Seriosly Z, get yourself some broadband. Is it really that expensive in Saudi Arabia? Remember, MGS4 comes with online, so you'll want to have broadband by then Otherwise, I can't kick your ass online
oh, I am trying to get the fastes availble (512), trust me. the thing is, I was moved, due to work, in a very tiny little village in the middle of the mountains. there is not a DSL line in site. they said I can have one...after 7 months. IF they keep their word, that means one month after PS3 launches! O_o
the good news is that 3G will begin here later next month with a whooping 12M surfing (1mbps download!). if that happens, and prices aren't sent from hell, I'll be getting one of those. *sigh*
julps
I'm happy you said that Z lol. That "MGS4 who" comment shouldv'e got you slapped lol. j/k I can't wait to see a high-res vid though.
now I have to slaps on either side...just like getting stuck in a messy divorce case. poor me. why, oh, why didn't I keep my mouth shut? ~_~'

[makeitlookreal]

I am not saying the 480P 512 MB clip looks bad. It looks very good. But it does not have the amazing detail of the 720P clip from TGS. Everyone is saying that the graphics and details have improved, but honestly I cannot see any improvement compared to the 720P from TGS.

I really wish a higher resolution clip of the E3 15 minute 480P version would be released!

[yoshaw]

Found another piece of tidbit. Apparently it is from the June PSM(can anyone scan it?) Let me warn you first, these are not from the scan itself but taken from a german website and translated through google. So make of it what you will.

Bullet Points(from google translation)

- Snake will be able itself to move despite its age so fast, as if he would be still young. Kojima does not want the fact that the age affects the play mechanics and it slow or boring makes.

- Snake is not to be able to trust anybody in the play.

- Snake is to travel similarly as a feeler gauge around the world and visit different scenes.

- The robot from the Trailer is to be steered perhaps once by the player. Kojima has however difficulties to find out how one could use that in the play.

- Does not know Kojima that einge people like the intermediate sequences, others again. He tries to therefore find in Metal Gear solvent 4 the golden middle course. (I don't know WTF google transl. was thinking here!)

- Kojima likes the PlayStation3, but thinks he that Metal Gear solvent 4 does not correspond yet to NEXT generation a play. Its team tries out therefore a few effects. Kojima says that he wants to rausholen from the hardware as much as possible.

- Is in Metal Gear solvent 4 it a “correct” end to give, which does not leave questions open.

- Kojima is something frustrated, because he would work gladly on another project. But it is heavy to leave Metal Gear solvent 4 to another team. He could imagine also a co-operation with grass hopper (killer 7).

Source: Gamefront.de


Someone, please post scans for PSM. My eyes are hurting deciphering all the auto translation from stupid google. Scan away!

[LiquidEagle]

- Does not know Kojima that einge people like the intermediate sequences, others again. He tries to therefore find in Metal Gear solvent 4 the golden middle course. (I don't know WTF google transl. was thinking here!)

Cinemas. Kojima's trying to find a good median between cinemas & gameplay :-p

That info is nothing new, unfortunately :(

We already know Snake's age won't affect you as a player being able to move around as you please, and you're going to travel around the world. It's interesting to hear that Kojima doesn't think it's quite next-gen yet -- they must be working on some stuff that's real heavy duty so we can all see how a next-gen game's supposed to be, but I don't want him to drive himself crazy thinking it'll never be next-gen.

Maybe the actual article will have something new though... I hope it's on the cover!

[masteratt]

Felt like doing this...

Snake is to travel similarly as a feeler gauge around the world and visit different scenes.
Yep, I think Hideo is going to go all out in capturing the feeling of all three MGS games (ones on the PS..I know there are more) I think one minute we will be in the jungle, next a base and then "middle east" through to Alaska etc. I think locations are going to play a huge part in MGS4.
The robot from the Trailer is to be steered perhaps once by the player. Kojima has however difficulties to find out how one could use that in the play.
He said that it will be controllable via a PSP hence also making the game two player. Really boring addition in my opinion. I won't be surprised if this doesn't happen. MGS is a Lone Wolf kinda game that I like to get sucked into so I don't know if I want my friend/brother dipping into my experience. But of course, there is an option not to use this feature so it's all good.
Kojima likes the PlayStation3, but thinks he that Metal Gear solvent 4 does not correspond yet to NEXT generation a play. Its team tries out therefore a few effects. Kojima says that he wants to rausholen from the hardware as much as possible.
No need to feel guilty Kojima. Just the trailer alone put the game on top of my list for "next gen". It's abot capturing the player, not putting in billions of non-sense technology that really doesn't need to be there. But I'm sure we will se something more stunning later on in the PS's life from Kojima.
Is in Metal Gear solvent 4 it a “correct” end to give, which does not leave questions open.
I really hope so!
Kojima is something frustrated, because he would work gladly on another project. But it is heavy to leave Metal Gear solvent 4 to another team. He could imagine also a co-operation with grass hopper (killer 7).That would make a one sweet ass game. I haven't played Killer 7, mind but at least it was different and with the magic touch of Kojima, something great can come between the two.

My :2cents:

[LiquidEagle]

I'd love to see Snake go back to Shadow Moses for one reason or another, it would bring back so many memories plus it would just look amazing with MGS4's graphics.

the jury's still out on the controllable MKII, it may be removed altogether, I thought. I think it was just too hard to implement, but I guess we'll see. A side-mission of sorts where you use him to scout and find some item unreachable by Snake would be cool but I don't want a companion tagging along to make me get spotted, and it certainly would be weird having a friend with me as I play MGS.

[VG Aficionado]

He said that it will be controllable via a PSP hence also making the game two player. Really boring addition in my opinion. I won't be surprised if this doesn't happen. MGS is a Lone Wolf kinda game that I like to get sucked into so I don't know if I want my friend/brother dipping into my experience. But of course, there is an option not to use this feature so it's all good.He never said it was going to be controllable, he just pointed out that possibility.

[section]

Just wanted to say that I find Babelfish's translation "Metal Gear solvent" somewhat amusing.

[Fazares]

nothing new except for the robot thing...we could control it trough the motion sensing while controlling snake through the D-pad..fantastic!!!

[masteratt]

.....Nah.

[cliffbo]

nothing new except for the robot thing...we could control it trough the motion sensing while controlling snake through the D-pad..fantastic!!!

what if snake had to carry a box of liquid explosives (can't remember what its called dah) from A to B? that would be a great use of motion sensing.

[Nameless]

Cliff, I think you are refering to nitroglycerin...

[LaLiLuLeLo]

nothing new except for the robot thing...we could control it trough the motion sensing while controlling snake through the D-pad..fantastic!!!

I don't think that's a good idea at all.
I think the trouble with implementing the robot is just having to keep track of it at all, if it's controllable. I think if it's in the game it should just be A.I.

[Nameless]

Fellas, I got 2 new MGS4 wallpaper images, enjoy...

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?9181ad6918.jpg

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?95badafb47.jpg

[Epix]

Fellas, I got 2 new MGS4 wallpaper images, enjoy...

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?9181ad6918.jpg

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?95badafb47.jpg

Not bad. Now if you can only create one for a dual monitor setup (2560x1024).

[Smokey]

cool thanks Nameless :)

[makeitlookreal]

The simple solution is to have Solid Snake fly an airplane on a mission! For example, lets say some enemies were going to attack a target and the only way you could catch up with them is to jump in a jet and take off! You could fly the jet while trying to target objects on the ground while having other enemy aircraft attack you. Of course the cool part could be that if things start looking too bad you can eject and the suit and parachute could automatically go into camoflage mode and the enemies would only see the colors of the sky and clouds!

[agentorange]

Why is it the texture on MGS 4 is very grainy and blocky. The main characters looks good except the NPC. The background thus not have a organic feel too it and also theres to much lack of color. Most PS3 games are like that especially the AAA titles like Assasin and Resistance

[VG Aficionado]

Why is it the texture on MGS 4 is very grainy and blocky. The main characters looks good except the NPC. The background thus not have a organic feel too it and also theres to much lack of color. Most PS3 games are like that especially the AAA titles like Assasin and ResistanceBecause it's the style and art direction Kojima chose for a particular game section which events happen in the Middle East? Because you haven't seen the NPC closely enough? I don't think you really know what "organic feel" or "blocky" is (you said at PS3 forums that "Halo 3" had more organic feel... give me a break).

Heavenly Sword, Final Fantasy XIII, Naughty Dog untitled project, Afrika and others are colorful, have organic feel and also are AAA titles, so what the hell are you talking about? Do you even think before you speak?

[LiquidEagle]

I think VG about covered it... :laugh:

It looks really good, but I do wish the textures on the tile floors would be higher-res and have more depth to them -- I guess we won't be getting up close to them like we see them in the cinemas but it would be nice! :-p

[Illmatic]

The ground textures are the only textures really lacking imo, everything else looks fine.

Wall textures:
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4519/metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatrio1.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatrio1.jpg)
Look fine to me.


Enemy Textures:
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/4519/metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatrio1.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatrio1.jpg)h ttp://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5531/metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatrio.th.jpg (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatrio.jpg)
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/888/input020698bg.th.jpg (http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=input020698bg.jpg)http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4144/input064864at.th.jpg (http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=input064864at.jpg)

The Metal Gear Bipeds looks great, the enemy soldiers aren't as detailed but still look fine, to me anyway.

[Fazares]

yes...the wall textures look definitively improved and very next gen.....just as i was wishing for...

[agentorange]

Thats what im trying to say. The ground and bakcground textures are not good and very PS2 like. Also theres a lack of color and organic look too it. What i mean is relistic textures and colors. Also the geometry form are not complicated. Theres still the appearence of polygons on the background

[VG Aficionado]

Thats what im trying to say. The ground and bakcground textures are not good and very PS2 like. Also theres a lack of color and organic look too it. What i mean is relistic textures and colors. Also the geometry form are not complicated. Theres still the appearence of polygons on the backgroundPS2 like??? Whatever, man.

[Marjoh]

The game is still early in its development. And from what I heard, some of the assets are MGS3's (such as some of the texture) till they implement the new ones. Perhaps they didn't have enough time but wanted to have a good showing at E3. Kojima himself said that some of the slow downs were cost buy effects put not long before the show but it will be fix.

.aZF

[VG Aficionado]

There was some MGS3 stuff in the TGS 2005 teaser, but that is not the case now. Having watched the 15 min teaser several times, I couldn't possibly agree that there's anything very PS2 in MGS4, even as an early build.

[Z]

I think what is going on here is a simple case of 'poor net quality videos', that is all. MGS games have always been a benchmark in graphics (and animation?). so worry not. if everything looks this good, this early, then we are in for a treat.
:)

[cliffbo]

The ground textures are the only textures really lacking imo, everything else looks fine.

Wall textures:
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4519/metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatrio1.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatrio1.jpg)
Look fine to me.


Enemy Textures:
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/4519/metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatrio1.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatrio1.jpg)h ttp://img161.imageshack.us/img161/5531/metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatrio.th.jpg (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatrio.jpg)
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/888/input020698bg.th.jpg (http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=input020698bg.jpg)http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/4144/input064864at.th.jpg (http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=input064864at.jpg)

The Metal Gear Bipeds looks great, the enemy soldiers aren't as detailed but still look fine, to me anyway.

the ground textures won't be as sharp because these are stills from a video. look at the floor and move your head. reality isn't pinsharp graphics or high resolution, its use of lighting and motion.

[LiquidEagle]

I never heard anything about KojiPro using any assets from MGS3 as placeholders...is that true?

Anyhoo, one big factor in all of this is simple -- if there is real-time deformation in-game like there was when that Gekkou was destroying walls and stuff, we can't really expect the best of the best in all the textures either. Either way I think the wall textures & enemy textures are absolutely great, and there are times when the ground looks pretty sharp too (I think it looks fantastic when you watch the truck rolling into town).

[Nameless]

I'm positive MGS4 will be the benchmark for PS3 graphics, when the game is released in 2007. The game is still very early in development and the footage shown at this early stage are above the 2nd gen visuals I have seen for the 360... I would suggest waiting till TGS and we will get a better idea what the final build visuals will look like...

[masteratt]

I would be pleased if it looks exactly same as now.
I am more excited to know how the game plays.
What HUD do we get? What is the deal with that suit comouflage? (15 mins trailer) Locations...Camera...Weapons...Animation....How Linear?

We know nothing about gameplay :(
C'mon TGS, don't dissapoint.

[jumbo]

I don't know who spoke about this earlier, but the gameplay needs to be changed.

No more 4 directional movements. The gameplay needs to be adjusted for full 3d. Full 360 degree movement. The camera must fixed on character, not locations.

[Nameless]

I don't know who spoke about this earlier, but the gameplay needs to be changed.

No more 4 directional movements. The gameplay needs to be adjusted for full 3d. Full 360 degree movement. The camera must fixed on character, not locations.

I agree the camera needs to be addressed...
Kojima stated his team is working on a new innovative camera system.
I would predict the camera will be a 3rd person/ cinematic hybrid system...
I would imagine that TGS will provide some answers...

[Sephiroth_VII]

we'll get true rotateable third-person camera in MGS4. Kojima said that in an old interview. Don't know wether he changed it since though.

[Fazares]

Thats what im trying to say. The ground and bakcground textures are not good and very PS2 like. Also theres a lack of color and organic look too it. What i mean is relistic textures and colors. Also the geometry form are not complicated. Theres still the appearence of polygons on the background
i d say ur description fits the tgs trailer only....

[Maya 5.0]

Don't get your hopes up for too much info come TGS 06.Most certainly a new trailer will show up but there will still be tons of questinons after that.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

if anything, more questions.

[Sephiroth_VII]

Of course. This is Kojima, after all.

[LiquidEagle]

For the camera, look for a tweaked version of Subsistence's 360-degree camera (which was the way it was originally planned for Snake Eater). It'll be better than Subsistence's already is :-D

Graphics look great already but I'm expecting them to get better, and I think TGS will definitely show that.

[Nameless]

TGS will provide some details regarding the visuals & perhaps the gameplay if we are lucky. From a story standpoint TGS will just create more questions and excitement... Once I get my hands on a HD version of the 15min trailer it should hold me over till TGS. Peace

[masteratt]

Once I get my hands on a HD version of the 15min trailer it should hold me over till TGS. Peace

Yeah, any ideas on how?

[Z]

could the game possibly come out in march? some huge games- especially Japaneses, have come out during that month. it is like the Holyday season in Japan.

I am expecting a Nov/Dec launch in the US, but hey ;p.
I think TGS will tell us how far the game is in production. if they don't hint at a March release in any way, then expect it by the end of the year.
in any case, it is great that it is coming only a year after PS3's launch. I wonder what other high-profile game is coming out during 2007 as well? DMC, RE5, AC?
(HS, Motor Storm, Tekken, etc. are confirmed or expected in 2007, so they don't count.)

[masteratt]

Wasn't it mentioned in thsi thread that Kojima wants it out at 7th July to matche the release of the first ever MGS game.

It is believed that is the reason why the Ls & Ts in the trailer look like 7s.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Yeah Kojima didn't promise but said he is aiming for July 7th 2007, worldwide release date, in spirit with Sony encouraging developers to release simultaneous versions of their PS3 games, "thanks to blu-ray storage space allowing them to put all the languages on one disc".

I think that's pretty fucking amazing if they can get this game out by next year, not rushed (mgs2).

[VG Aficionado]

It's also the 7th canonical Metal Gear game, both because of the release date and the series chronology.

1) MGS3: SE
2) MGS: PO (it'll feature a full-blown single player story-driven campaign)
3) MG
4) MG2: SS
5) MGS
6) MGS2: SOL
7) MGS4: GOTP

There are too many ways to extract some meaning to the whole "7" thing, and I'm sure Kojima is glad that we're thinking so hard about it. Anyway, I'm also hoping a potential 7-7-07 release date doesn't mean it'll be rushed.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I trust kojima won't rush it if he can't make the date. If it gets pushed back to fall that'll be cool. @_@......
although I'm hoping that doesn't happen.

[LiquidEagle]

7 is also by far the best number to pick when you have to pick a number between 1 and 10. Don't ask why, it just is.

[Xerxes]

Yeah, any ideas on how?

Right Here.
Click on the "at Famitsu.com" link. Low Resolution and High Res.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/708/708887p1.html

[Coded-Dude]

^its not HD

[Z]

I don't buy the 7/7/2007 theory at all :/ for me, the font is just that; a new font that will peobably change to something more consistant with the MGS triology.

launch dates, in the most part, are not a luxury. they ship a game as soon as it is done. also, releases are nearly never mentioned by day.

[Xerxes]

LOL! Oh..Must have skipped that part. = )

[masteratt]

I don't buy the 7/7/2007 theory at all :/ for me, the font is just that; a new font that will peobably change to something more consistant with the MGS triology.

launch dates, in the most part, are not a luxury. they ship a game as soon as it is done. also, releases are nearly never mentioned by day.

We are talking about MGS here. People will want to know what hour it's getting shipped and if that has any meaning towards anything!

The date will be a 'luxury' because it will be the birth and the death of Snake!

[Old_Timer!]

It's possible that Kojima and team might be ahead of schedule, usually you give yourself some breathing room when you set a final date. In reality though, there is trully no set date. Setback can and will happen, release dates are not set in stone.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Development can very well be going better than we know or think/hope. The 7/7/2007 date isn't a theory, Z, kojima said he's hoping to release it on that day. No promises, but he will try to, that's a direct quote. I look forward to it, but I easily understand if it gets pushed back or, just isn't ready.

[Voidler]

Development can very well be going better than we know or think/hope. The 7/7/2007 date isn't a theory, Z, kojima said he's hoping to release it on that day. No promises, but he will try to, that's a direct quote. I look forward to it, but I easily understand if it gets pushed back or, just isn't ready.Kind of silly to release it in the slowest part of gaming for the year :shifty:

[LiquidEagle]

Gran Turismo 3 came out July 11th 2001, and it did fine :)

[solidsnakejej]

Kind of silly to release it in the slowest part of gaming for the year :shifty:


Well the first metal gear game was released 7/7/87. I think he wants to release it on the 20th anniversary of the game.

Wiki metal gear page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_%28video_game%29)

[satriales]

Kind of silly to release it in the slowest part of gaming for the year :shifty:
Kinda smart if you ask me.

Summer is when all the kids are off school and hardly any other games are relased. If MGS4 was released it would be the one big game all summer. I've never understood why there is always a games drought over summer as it seems like the best time to release a game (except christmas).

[Voidler]

Kinda smart if you ask me.

Summer is when all the kids are off school and hardly any other games are relased. If MGS4 was released it would be the one big game all summer. I've never understood why there is always a games drought over summer as it seems like the best time to release a game (except christmas).I don't know, but statistics prove it IS the slowest part of the year

[Voidler]

Well the first metal gear game was released 7/7/87. I think he wants to release it on the 20th anniversary of the game.

Wiki metal gear page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_%28video_game%29)I didn't know that, you may be right then

[satriales]

I don't know, but statistics prove it IS the slowest part of the year
It's the slowest because no games get released. There's no reason to say that people won't buy a game if it is released during the summer.

[LiquidEagle]

There hasn't been any real discussion about the Metal Gear itself -- do you guys think there will be a new Metal Gear to take down in this one, or do you think the Gekkous are as close to Metal Gear as we'll see?

[VG Aficionado]

Yes, I think there will be a Metal Gear as we expect it, as well as a final boss which is actually a close person to the main character (Liquid Ocelot, Big Boss?) and the sacrifice of the Ninja character - the Eternal Recurrence of the MG series!

However, we're going to have to deal with the Gekkous many times instead of just soldiers and bosses.

[LiquidEagle]

:-D I agree with that except for the sacrifice of the ninja character this time -- Raiden's here to save Snake from his old age/depression. Plus if anything, Raiden will be carrying the torch in MGS5 :-p

I'm real interested to see what the Metal Gear will be this time around -- we went back to basics with the Shagohod (which can barely be considered a Metal Gear in some ways) and Arsenal Gear was certainly a big change, so I wonder how Kojima's going to top it with this one...

On another note yet again, I started playing MGS2 again for old times' sake, and it's amazing how big the graphical leap was from MGS2 to MGS3, not to mention MGS4. I don't remember it being that big but now when I play through and watch the cinemas, MGS3 looks much, much better!

[Sephiroth_VII]

MGR1 you mean;) I'm afraid that this'll be the last MGS.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

metal gear raiden!
woot!

Anyone notice he also had a side-arm? can't wait to see him use that.
anyway, the only reason summer is a slow gaming season is because publishers are jackasses and don't release enough games during the summer for us to buy. Except madden (yawn). If the games were there to be purchased, guess what? We'd purchase them.

Amazing, I know. I hate how they save everything up for fall and christmas, so I can't possibly keep up with all of them.
Bastards. Yeah if they released this smack dab in the middle of the summer I'd be in hog heaven.

[LiquidEagle]

well I think it may have been the other way around, too. What if publishers did release games in the summer and they didn't sell as well as games in the fall, so they decided to keep things until they'd sell better, aka Christmas shopping season?

This could be different because, hell, it's MGS! Anybody who keeps up with games at all is gonna know this game and they're gonna know when it comes out -- loudmouths like me make sure of that when it comes to MGS :-p I think some series' may have a hard time selling in the summer but I doubt MGS4 would have any real trouble if it released in the Summer. I would love it if the game was finished early enough for that, because it would make Summer much more enjoyable gaming-wise (not that I don't get out, it would just be nice to have a new game in general for the summer), and it would be sure to get plenty of attention since it'd be the only big game in that timeframe.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I maintain that games can sell well regardless of season. Gaming isn't a seasonal hobby. Everyone hates the summer for lack of games! Granted, going outside isn't too shabby either, haha. But man, gimme some games during the summer time, don't dump all these games on me between september and january that I can't keep up with! Maybe new IPs and other less popular (but good games) would do better if they didn't try to compete with the big dogs during thanksgiving/christmas season?! If I ever get to be a game designer/boss, my games are coming out middle of summer.

[LiquidEagle]

It's worth a shot :)

btw, why doesn't my sig show up sometimes anymore??

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I think it has to do with posting more than once in the same page of a thread.

[LiquidEagle]

Ah, wild... Thanks for the info.

[VG Aficionado]

:-D I agree with that except for the sacrifice of the ninja character this time -- Raiden's here to save Snake from his old age/depression. Plus if anything, Raiden will be carrying the torch in MGS5 :-pI used to think that too, but it looks like Raiden is so different from what I expected that I'm afraid it's not the case anymore. If he had been more similar to Solid Snake in abilities and style, yes, I could be expecting a MG Raiden now, but who knows! Anyway, I do believe Raiden will die because:

1) All Ninja characters to date were killed. Sacrificed, actually.
2) Kojima said Raiden was there to protect Snake and give his life if necessary. This might very well be literal!
3) Raiden is actually hit by bullets and the extending Gekkou arm. He's certainly not invincible and will be injured.


By the way, I've also thought of the ways the story will wrap up. Raiden's payback for E.E.'s assassination: he kills Vamp but dies trying. Solid Snake takes MG down with Meryl's assistance, and defeats both Liquid Ocelot and Big Boss, but I have no idea how he could do that or what will happen to Snake and/or Meryl afterwards.

I've also thought of Meryl killing Vamp using the silver bullet she carries in her earring, but I'm just guessing :-p
Anyone notice he also had a side-arm? can't wait to see him use that.Can you elaborate on that?

[LiquidEagle]

Hmm... you make a good point VG :-D

By "All Ninja characters" though, you're talking about Gray Fox & Olga, and that's it, right? 2 occurances doesn't necessarily make it a pattern so I'm not sure if we can really say that. Your other points are good though, so it's certainly a possibility for Raiden to bite the dust. Dies trying to kill Vamp though? Vamp is badass, but let's be honest -- he doesn't stand a chance to uber-Raiden :laugh: When Raiden got hit by the bullets they didn't seem to affect him at all, and the extended arm from the Gekkou pierced his armor but was still managable. This could be a different story if he takes on a "real" Metal Gear though.

As I play through MGS2, I love noticing story points that Kojima altered in MGS3. Before taking over the Ray on the tanker, Liquid says that Big Boss was in his late 50s when they created his copies (1972), though that seems to have changed with the timeline Snake Eater gave us :-p

[Nameless]

I don't think they will kill off Raiden, Kojima seems to really love this character... Imagine a Ninja Gaiden style game with Raiden as the main character set in the MGS universe, pure gold baby... ;-)

If done correctly it could create a new very popular series of titles and I think Old Snake would be proud of his young pupil... :drool:

[yoshaw]

Raiden Fans rejoice. Kojima just granted you guys a Raiden Wallpaper

Right Click save as!
http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/english/pic/dl_img/mgs4_e3/raiden.jpg (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/english/pic/dl_img/mgs4_e3/raiden_1600.jpg)
http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/english/pic/dl_img/mgs4_e3/raiden_1600.jpg

[Nameless]

Perhaps we can start a new thread regarding how we would like to see the MGS universe live on in the next-gen arena. (Since Snake's days are numbered...) The Raiden idea I posted above could be a solid sequel for the series...

[Nameless]

Raiden Fans rejoice. Kojima just granted you guys a Raiden Wallpaper

Right Click save as!
http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/english/pic/dl_img/mgs4_e3/raiden.jpg (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/english/pic/dl_img/mgs4_e3/raiden_1600.jpg)
http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/english/pic/dl_img/mgs4_e3/raiden_1600.jpg

I have to eat my words regarding the Raiden character design...
The Raiden character is very tight! Also, that wallpaper is f*cking awesome!
(+Rep for you):shocked: (Dammit I already gave you rep so I can't give you more for this post, I guess it's the thought that counts...)

[Nameless]

NINJA GAIDEN STYLE RAIDEN GAME IN MGS UNIVERSE!!!!
TEAM KOJIMA YOU CAN MAKE DREAMS COME TRUE...:drool:

[VG Aficionado]

By "All Ninja characters" though, you're talking about Gray Fox & Olga, and that's it, right? 2 occurances doesn't necessarily make it a pattern so I'm not sure if we can really say that.LOL, yeah, I'm aware of that, but it's my best guess.

As I play through MGS2, I love noticing story points that Kojima altered in MGS3. Before taking over the Ray on the tanker, Liquid says that Big Boss was in his late 50s when they created his copies (1972), though that seems to have changed with the timeline Snake Eater gave us :-pI remember reading somewhere that Big Boss was 16 years old when Pearl Harbor's attack happened (1941). He lied about his age to join the army then. Supposing BB was born in 1925, that would make him 39 years old in MGS3, 45 years old in MGS: PO and 47 when Les Enfants Terribles project was executed. However, I can't confirm this for the time being. Anyway, if true, we could say Liquid was wrong about BB's age :-p

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Can you elaborate on that?
side-arm: like a pistol/handgun of sorts strapped at his side.

I wouldn't think to hard about the continuity regarding big boss's age, because kojima felt it was necessary to make the game during the 1960s, and big boss had to be in his 30s for the story to look and feel right. Just take it all in as mythology at this point. He went and had to make a prequel so, I guess for the sake of story-telling (number one priority in a story, lol) there are some timeline hiccups.

[VG Aficionado]

side-arm: like a pistol/handgun of sorts strapped at his side.Oh, right :doh:

Kojima Productions downloads (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/english/dl/dl.html)

A new MGS4 wallpaper every week for the next two months (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/english/dl/mgs4_e3.html)

Kojima Productions at E3: page 1 (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/english/event/e3_event_01.html) - page 2 (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/english/event/e3_event_02.html)

News: MGS4 E3 awards (http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/english/news/news.html)

[LiquidEagle]

Nice links :)

Thanks for the wallpaper too, yoshaw! As of right now it's my background for at least a week :-p

The MGS1 strategy guide's bio for Big Boss said he was a child/teen when his parents were killed in Pearl Harbor and he joined the army shortly after, as a young soldier, but I'm pretty sure that got changed around with Snake Eater. I would also find it weird if he was older than The Boss (who was born in 192X, so 1920 at the earliest), and he'd have to be born in 1917 at the latest to be considered in his late 50s (55+ is the lowest I'd go for that qualification) by 1972. I realize Kojima said he can change the story and contradict a few things for the story's sake, it's just funny to see that in action :-p

[Z]

Dies trying to kill Vamp though? Vamp is badass, but let's be honest -- he doesn't stand a chance to uber-Raiden
who said he wouldn't face off an uber-Vamp? ;)

as for MGS side-projects, I think they are a given. why in the world wouldn't they exploite the series further? I think Raiden is so out there that he wouldn't make a good main character to be played in the current MGS series. but they could go all out with him in other fast-pace-action based projects ala a Devil May Cry-ish offer.

Love your theories VG, keep'em up!! :)

[Grovestreet]

Woot, Check out this trailer...STUNNING Quality, Enjoy :)
http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/adventure/metalgearsolid4/media.html

[yoshaw]

Thanks for the headsup, am downloading the hi-res version. Will let you know how its compared to the other vids out there. TOO BAD IT's NOT HD though!

Could've posted this in the mgs4 thread.

[masteratt]

Praise The Lord!

EDIT: You have to be registered....I should have known. :(

[Domination]

They did a good job on Raiden.

[VG Aficionado]

Probably the best quality so far, good job :) (Kikizo's 512 MB version actually sucks)

The low resolution version isn't better than the one at Kojima Productions. The hi-res version should be another story. If anyone gets it and uploads it somewhere, I'll add it to the video archive thread.

And yes, we need a 720p version.

[Nameless]

I don't want to rain on the parade, but this is the same quality as the trailer shown at Konami.com... Still waiting on the 720P HD version, the title of this thread is misleading. (Got my hopes up for nothing...)

[yoshaw]

What a fking let down and waste of time/bandwidth. Same lowres(kinda blurry) video as the Konami website only re-encoded to 400mb in quicktime format. UGH!!!

Close thread please!

[Nameless]

Fellas,
Why wait every week for the official MGS4 wallpapers when you can have them all today... (This took some time please +rep for the effort...)

Meryl
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1617/meryl7tv.th.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/1617/meryl7tv.jpg

Naomi
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6392/naomi9tq.th.jpg

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6392/naomi9tq.jpg

Ocelot
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2049/ocelot3ya.th.jpg

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2049/ocelot3ya.jpg

Otacon
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/360/octacon6un.th.jpg

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/360/octacon6un.jpg

Raiden
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8758/raiden0ed.th.jpg

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8758/raiden0ed.jpg

Campbell
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4208/roy7cl.th.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4208/roy7cl.jpg

Snake
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8827/snake6yt.th.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/8827/snake6yt.jpg

Sorry if you preferred anticipating a new wallpaper every week, but I was the kid who always opened my presents before Christmas... Enjoy :smile:

[masteratt]

I just had a thought...

If enough of us sign and send a petition to Konami, will they organise a tour of their HQ for us?
Or can you do that anyway if you show up the door and say "Can I have a tour please?"

[makeitlookreal]

I have a question.

What do you think is the reason why we have not to see a 720P version of the MGS4 vid from E3?

Do any of you have an idea why?

Is it that one does not exist yet? I mean, has the makers of the PS3 game MGS4 just not relase one yet? Or could it be one has been released but no one wants to uplaod such a huge file.

With the millions of MGS fans on the planet it would seem that by now there would be a 720P clip posted somewhere on the internet. I have looked and looked and cannot find one.

Thanks for all your assistance and I am looking forward to playing Metal Gear Solid 4 in the future.

[curryking1]

I dunno about the quality but...

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/3971

It's downloadable at 200 megs.

[yoshaw]

Don't bother, its also the same as konami website encoded into wmv with gamevideos watermark.

[Marjoh]

makeitlookreal, the one they showed at E3 is HD. So it does exist. We probably won't be seeing a higher quality vids till a magazine in Japan release it on DVD (like the TGS trailer). Or perhaps even OPM? Why can't Sony follows MS on the HD trailer front.

.aZF

[BlueTsunami]

I have a question.

What do you think is the reason why we have not to see a 720P version of the MGS4 vid from E3?

Do any of you have an idea why?

Is it that one does not exist yet? I mean, has the makers of the PS3 game MGS4 just not relase one yet? Or could it be one has been released but no one wants to uplaod such a huge file.

With the millions of MGS fans on the planet it would seem that by now there would be a 720P clip posted somewhere on the internet. I have looked and looked and cannot find one.

Thanks for all your assistance and I am looking forward to playing Metal Gear Solid 4 in the future.

Supposedly the 720p trailer has been given exclusivity to some Japanese Mag or something. This is what MGS fans "in the know" are stating. This is apperently what happend with the TGS vid.

[Nameless]

Fellas, Here's one of the best versions available currently 480P version.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=11089&type=mov (new uncut version!)

I guess it will have to hold us over till the 720P version is dropped... Peace
(If you think the quality is good don't forget to + Rep...)

[yoshaw]

IGN posted the 15min MGS4 trailer today and it's also in 720p for IGN insider members. But notice that it says on top that it's just upscaled from 480p. It's not native 720p vid. Too bad. I think we have to take Blue Tsunami's word and wait for some Japanese magazine to put it out on a DVD.

[Nameless]

IGN posted the 15min MGS4 trailer today and it's also in 720p for IGN insider members. But notice that it says on top that it's just upscaled from 480p. It's not native 720p vid. Too bad. I think we have to take Blue Tsunami's word and wait for some Japanese magazine to put it out on a DVD.
Can someone post a link for the upscaled version?

[VG Aficionado]

Thank you for the wallpapers, but yes, you've somehow ruined the anticipation for me :norris:

Note that Snake's suit is blue once again, while keeping the upgraded face design (not like it was blue in the TGS teaser just as a homage to MGS1's suit). I guess blue is the default suit colour. I guess there will be a number of default suit colours depending on the overall predominant colour of the environment (green in jungle, white in snow, sand colour in the Middle East although it's actually black in the teaser trailer for whichever reason, etc.).

If enough of us sign and send a petition to Konami, will they organise a tour of their HQ for us?
Or can you do that anyway if you show up the door and say "Can I have a tour please?"Hmmm, I don't think it would be so simple.

[Z]

great Nameless. how did you get them?

while you're at it, send us the playble build!

PS. in the trailer, Snake was standing in front of a grave. whom do you think the grave belong to? I don't remember anyone close to Snake that died- except for Otacon's sister and maybe Olga. but come on, why would he morn them?

[VG Aficionado]

PS. in the trailer, Snake was standing in front of a grave. whom do you think the grave belong to? I don't remember anyone close to Snake that died- except for Otacon's sister and maybe Olga. but come on, why would he morn them?We've discussed this before, we tend to agree it's Gray Fox. There are more possibilities though: Master Miller, Solidus, Liquid, The Boss, and... Big Boss? Nah.

[LiquidEagle]

Gray Fox doesn't make sense though, since he was a traitor to the US. unless his defection was similar to the Boss's, I don't think he'd get a gravestone at Arlington since he was a traitor and didn't truly die until Shadow Moses. Even then I still don't know if he'd get the honor of a grave for his efforts at Shadow Moses since he wasn't working for America and it's still sketchy about who's responsible for what there.

Snake's comment though, that the dead have ears, makes me think it's Fox though. Fox was his best friend and told him to fight for what he believes in...so maybe it is...

Or maybe he thought Campbell was dead so he was at his grave, which is why he was surprised to see him right after that!! :laugh:

[Nameless]

great Nameless. how did you get them?

while you're at it, send us the playble build!

PS. in the trailer, Snake was standing in front of a grave. whom do you think the grave belong to? I don't remember anyone close to Snake that died- except for Otacon's sister and maybe Olga. but come on, why would he morn them?

When Konami first posted the pics, the server was not locked down so you could access the other pics by modifiying the URL... I was surprised Konami's website security was so poor. I'm not sure if you have seen the uncut version of the E3 trailer, but it shows a few clips not seen before.

I'm still working on obtaining the native 720P version of the trailer... :thumbr:

[Handycrap101]

Thank you for the wallpapers, but yes, you've somehow ruined the anticipation for me :norris:

Note that Snake's suit is blue once again, while keeping the upgraded face design (not like it was blue in the TGS teaser just as a homage to MGS1's suit). I guess blue is the default suit colour. I guess there will be a number of default suit colours depending on the overall predominant colour of the environment (green in jungle, white in snow, sand colour in the Middle East although it's actually black in the teaser trailer for whichever reason, etc.).

Hmmm, I don't think it would be so simple.


Could it have possibly been black because he was wearing something over it? There was no exposure to light or anything around him so I assume it would pick that color. I wish I could explain why it stayed black.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Thank you for the wallpapers, but yes, you've somehow ruined the anticipation for me :norris:

Note that Snake's suit is blue once again, while keeping the upgraded face design (not like it was blue in the TGS teaser just as a homage to MGS1's suit). I guess blue is the default suit colour. I guess there will be a number of default suit colours depending on the overall predominant colour of the environment (green in jungle, white in snow, sand colour in the Middle East although it's actually black in the teaser trailer for whichever reason, etc.).




No, there's this thing called lighting which effects the color of objects.
I.E. you're overthinking it way too much.

[Ben-N1ce]

Anyone who is an IGN insider

Full 15 minute HD trailer to download !!!!

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/vids_1.html

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Exploitation For The Win!!!

[LiquidEagle]

Well it's 1280 x 720 but it says the source is 480p...does that mean it was still just upscaled and not true 720i/720p? I don't understand HD/Progressive scan stuff that well so I might be missing something.

In regards to Snake's suit, I like it more in black, but I'm betting we'll simply have the option of how it looks in its native form. Snake Eater was good about letting you pick whichever camo's you wanted and then they'd show up in the cinemas too.

Nameless, what do you mean uncut? IGN's "uncut" version is 14:51, the same as any other version I've seen -- how can it have anything new to it? Also, are you implying there's a 720p version on Konami's website?? I'm sure the trailer was at least that when they showed it on the big screen at E3 :-D

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I'm telling you guys you're overthinking the color of snake's suit in the wallpaper.
It's just the color of the lighting they used for that render. There's no secret gameplay element having to do with the color of the suit changing! >_<
Yes there's the octocamo, but you're over thinking the 'it's bluer than in the video!' thing. I mean, a lot.

[makeitlookreal]

What we need is not the upscaled version but the same thing that was presented at E3. Is that video truly the same thing or just upscaled? That is an important difference. If it is the same thing we saw at E3 then is there any other location to download it from?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I think this is as good as you're gonna get.

[LiquidEagle]

I'm talking about the difference between the TGS suit and the E3 suit. I haven't even looked that hard at the wallpaper (Raiden's still up)! Maybe it's just the kinda filters they have going now over the screen but Snake's suit is black as night in the E3 trailer.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Oh well that difference is clear. Yeah they changed it. I'm talking about VG seemingly speculating the blueness of the wallpaper shot. *shakes head*


NOTE:
don't bother with the trailer if you've already downloaded it. quality is the same and it's really small.

[VG Aficionado]

Oh well that difference is clear. Yeah they changed it. I'm talking about VG seemingly speculating the blueness of the wallpaper shot. *shakes head*I just pointed out that the basic colour was different in the E3 trailer indeed. I don't believe it's coincidental, so I thought it was worth some speculation from me.

there's this thing called lighting which effects the color of objects.Wow... really? I thought Hitler and a T-rex had something to do with that instead :drunk:

[Z]

back to the grave question guys, who's is it?

[Handycrap101]

I'm sticking with Grey Fox.

BTW, everyone should check out this tasteful clip some of my MGO buddies made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jdgxMkpEII

[Nameless]

What we need is not the upscaled version but the same thing that was presented at E3. Is that video truly the same thing or just upscaled? That is an important difference. If it is the same thing we saw at E3 then is there any other location to download it from?
The only trailer worth viewing at the moment is the 480P uncut version at gametrailers.com. http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=11089&type=mov
The trailer has a few portions not shown in the trailer released from Konami...:hugegrin:

[VG Aficionado]

The only trailer worth viewing at the moment is the 480P uncut version at gametrailers.com. http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=11089&type=mov
The trailer has a few portions not shown in the trailer released from Konami...:hugegrin:Such as??? There are two MGS4 E3 trailers, a 3 minutes one and a 15 minutes one. What are you talking about?

By the way, I've downloaded a bit and watched the beginning and it's not really better than other versions.

[LiquidEagle]

tasteful? :laugh:

I'm less of a person for even skimming through that video, handy. :-p

[masteratt]

Is it just me or is the subtitles in the "HD" version (from gametrailers) 'blurry'?

[Nameless]

Such as??? There are two MGS4 E3 trailers, a 3 minutes one and a 15 minutes one. What are you talking about?

By the way, I've downloaded a bit and watched the beginning and it's not really better than other versions.
VG, watch the entire trailer there are a few scenes that are not in the Konami trailer... Not anything ma