Heavenly Sword, MGS4, Lair DOWNGRADED!

[CrumCon]

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2139/1ps6.jpg

Comparison between TGS2006 and TGS2005

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4512/3rk6.jpg

everything is lost, details on the characters, selfshowing.. aint there either.

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/698/698558/lair-screen-20060327004958573.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/734/734196/lair-20060921091853892.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/vk-fallen/3-1.jpg
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/5327/ps3metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatriots1158892487zy7.j pg

look at snake, he lost almost every detail he got.

this is not trolling folks, you know im psi veteran and loved playstation systems, but this is just unbelieveable.

[woundingchaney]

Welcome to 1080p

I dont know if this is the cause or just what games exactly are running in 1080p, but as games progress making downgrades to ensure stability is normal.

[Insane Metal]

Dude... I agree about MGS4... but Lair is not looking like that AT ALL. Nor does HS. ;)

[Viano]

bro i'd say it's not that accurate loL♪

[NickSCFC]

This is exactly what I'm complaining about!

[VG Aficionado]

If all those screenshots were actually comparable, I'd be worried about it.

It's quite obvious you haven't seen Lair gameplay (it looks much, much better than that crappy and proven OLD screenshot). Heavenly Sword looked better at E3 2006 than at E3 2005. The latest screenshots mean nothing, we don't know when they were taken. And hell, MGS4's lighting conditions aren't the same ones at all, and one of them is a cutscene model and the other is a gameplay model. You aren't going to be looking at Snake's face while you're playing, so it naturally looks less detailed!

Sorry, but you're going to be surprised when you see none of those games look as bad as you think they will.

:locked:

[Domination]

Oh geez... http://tpl4life.com/images/smilies/suicide.gif

Ask yourself, "when do these titles launch?"

[Media]

I'd trust Viano's say most. He was there, he saw those games first hand.

[woundingchaney]

Oh geez... http://tpl4life.com/images/smilies/suicide.gif

Ask yourself, "when do these titles launch?"
Yeah but a year ago that never stopped anyone from talking about how great the cutscenes looked.

[Smokey]

as MILR goes on about "filters" it could be a different filter for a certain situation on MGS4

[Pumpkin Head]

You guys are fuking crazy. don't buy the system if you think it's such a downgrade..Well the downgrade i don't see..lol

[Grovestreet]

Kojima said that the MGS4 trailers were using the INGAME Engine and said it would look like this while your playing but It looks nothing like the trailers.

[masteratt]

And btw guys did you notice the PS3 controller's Home button SLIPS!!! omg! one guy at TGS was going to press it but it slipped away from his finger!!!! Fucking sony! they said at e3 05 that won't happen!!
what a fucking disgrace!

[Rubbernek]

Is this a fucking joke thread?

Deanoc on B3D said those HS screens are from an old build.

Lair looks absolutely nothing like that bottom screen.

MGS4 character model is identical. If you showed a decent screen of it it looks the same. The only difference is Kojima has gone for a more subdued colour pallette.

I mean seriously GTFO we've had enough of this bullshit FUD over the last few months without you adding to it - especially now that PS3 graphics have started to kick some serious ass and kick the XBOX 360 competition to the curb.


Before arriving at TGS, we would have given the Xbox 360 the nod in terms of the next-generation hardware battle. Sony has made a series of blunders in the last six months, and from what we saw and heard about prior to the show, developers were having a lot of trouble developing for the PS3 hardware compared to the ease of PC-like Xbox 360 programming. Plus, side by side, 360 and PS3 games looked almost indistinguishable in terms of graphics.

But at TGS and the following special hands-on media event at Sony Studios in Tokyo, we were swayed in the Sony's direction. Some of the PS3 launch-games on display were simply breathtaking -- definitely the most advanced graphics ever displayed on a console system.

http://gamepro.com/gamepro/domestic/games/features/82228.shtml

[Viano]

it's kinda funny cuz you can see the "worst" liar shot from the PS3's offial catalog I got from the show.
I think it's more valid to compare videos instead of screen shots, that was last gen like ps2, xbox or xbox36... oooooooooops!

[Rubbernek]

Yeah but a year ago that never stopped anyone from talking about how great the cutscenes looked.

Unlike the downgraded Gears of War MGS4 looks exactly the same as the cutscenes if not better:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/734/734423/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots--20060922045640654.jpg

God I hate trolls who selectively post screenshots to further their agenda.

[Grovestreet]

Gamepro Fucking love Sony, Thats why there is always good news for Sony from there. That screen Is Not Better than the trailers.

[Domination]

Yeah but a year ago that never stopped anyone from talking about how great the cutscenes looked.

You have a target demo running on the unfinished hardware, and you have a game that has yet to launch anytime this year. Could I be missing something in which I am not aware of?

http://tpl4life.com/images/smilies/suicide.gif

[woundingchaney]

Gamepro Fucking love Sony, Thats why there is always good news for Sony from there.
I dont know about that.

I would like to see some other interpretations other than Gamepro though.

[Viano]

worst screen shot inside the most important catalog

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/Vianforte/DSC00892.jpg

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h183/Vianforte/DSC00891.jpg

[Pumpkin Head]

Well i'am kind of new to this forum and i would have to say i love this forum,best
forum ever.But it's really funny how many undercover sony haters their are on the down low .WOW lol.

[woundingchaney]

You have a target demo running on the unfinished hardware, and you have a game that has yet to launch anytime this year. Could I be missing something in which I am not aware of?
Yeah all the debates on how the Target demos are gameplay or the cutscenes represent gameplay.

[Smokey]

awsome pic there Rubberneck, simply gorgeous :)

[CrumCon]

Well i'am kind of new this forum and i would have to say i love this forum,best
forum ever.But it's really funny how many undercover sony haters their are on the down low .WOW lol.

dude dont call me a hater, ive been in this forum as early as 2003, to follow PS3 news!

[masteratt]

Go here, (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=62269) watch the vids and tell me you are not impressed.

If you can honestly say you are not impressed, I will gladly pay for your eye surgery.

[NickSCFC]

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4512/3rk6.jpg


I think that's just put me off buying the game, man it looks ugly now!

I was in love when I 1st saw it at E3 05!

[Pumpkin Head]

dude dont call me a hater, ive been in this forum as early as 2003, to follow PS3 news!

dude your a undercover xbox360 fanboy face it ..or a hater period, one more thing your post lately shows that homeboy..so face it

[masteratt]

Yeh CrumCon used to be cool, he dissapeared for ages and now the posts/threads he has been making lately has been bitter and Anti-Sony.

Got a job at MS dude? ;)

[CrumCon]

dude your a undercover xbox360 fanboy face it ..

why the hell would i waste my time since 2003 in this forum, and wait till 2006 just to troll PS3 games?

[NickSCFC]

Go here, (http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=62269) watch the vids and tell me you are not impressed.

If you can honestly say you are not impressed, I will gladly pay for your eye surgery.
Wow, blurry vids taken from a camera infront of a screen.

Yeah they really hold up a good argument against accurate resolution screens...

sigh

[Pluto]

The games definitely look a lot smoother in videos rather than presented in screen captures.

Crumcon, your examples of downgrades are really bad. Nice..try?

[masteratt]

Hey Mr I Am Not A Troll But Just Dissapointed- being "blurry" and looking that good proves my point further, no?

Seriously, I am starting to get annoyed now. Mission accomplished trolls.
Still buying a PS3 though so you still have to go to bed at night crying.

[VG Aficionado]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6631/hs20052006rp3.jpg

Heavenly Sword - E3 2005 / E3 2006 (no kidding, no mistake)

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/3974/lairscreen20060327004958573qk8.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4413/lairingamehv3.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/vk-fallen/3-1.jpg
2005 - cutscene model

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6827/snakegameplaymodelap6.jpg
2006 - gameplay model


Downgrade my ass.

this is not trolling folksNah, it's just ignorance.

[Viano]

it's ok take it easy loL♪

but yeah trust me, it's very hard to judge from screen shots taken from 1) different cameras 2) different angles 3) different situations during the gameplay etc..

the reason that I didn't take any video of HS at all is because it looks exactly the same if not better than what I saw before, with my own eyes lol

[woundingchaney]

I get kind of tired of the same old "your a troll/hater/fanbot etc" everytime someone has something that can even be viewed negative about the PS3.

This forum is great as long as your praising Sony, but any view outside of that just doesnt coincide. Lair, MGS4, HS, RR7 are all good looking games but just what is setting them apart other than they are on the PS3. There is equivalents of these games on the 360 and is on the PC.

Sure we can post a magazines interpretation of the event and someone can post another one that disagrees with theirs.

I have not seen one thing on the PS3 that stands out above anything else out there. But this statement makes me a troll and a xbot.

[Rubbernek]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT GUYS: SOMEBODY ELSE IS POSTING WITH CRUMCON'S ACCOUNT.

Can someone please ban this troll?

[masteratt]

Good point wounding (kinda).

But who in their right minds come to a PS3 forum just to say "This game looks shit" when it even doesnt.
people are thinking along the wrong lines. We don't care about x360 graphics. we look at PS3 and say "great" we dont say "omfg fuck u x360 lol!!! this can never be done on that!!!"

[Pumpkin Head]

why the hell would i waste my time since 2003 in this forum, and wait till 2006 just to troll PS3 games?
Ask your self that dude by your post lately you sure seem like a troll,i dont care if you was here from 1965 your a very spoil brat..

[CrumCon]

only PSi veterans knows im not a troll. dam u newbies

[Viano]

Wow, blurry vids taken from a camera infront of a screen.

Yeah they really hold up a good argument against accurate resolution screens...

sigh

I have to say I will replace my current T9 to HDR-SR1 for videos next time..
m(_ _)m

[woundingchaney]

Good point wounding (kinda).

But who in their right minds come to a PS3 forum just to say "This game looks shit" when it even doesnt.
people are thinking along the wrong lines. We don't care about x360 graphics. we look at PS3 and say "great" we dont say "omfg fuck u x360 lol!!! this can never be done on that!!!"
Nobody is saying the game looks like shit (or at least Im not).

And yes there are several 360 statements along those lines. LOL not quite so straight forward.

Im pretty tweaked about the PS3 but at the same time everything isnt viewed through rose colored glasses.

This started because some of the games dont look as good as previous, I agree to an extent. MGS4 gameplay isnt as impressive as cut scenes, HS doesnt look as good as E3, and Lair is 50/50 but no where near the original pics.

[Viano]

dont worry crumcon is just a guy with crazy sig that's all loL♪

[VG Aficionado]

Gotta post this again.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6631/hs20052006rp3.jpg

Heavenly Sword - E3 2005 / E3 2006 (no kidding, no mistake)

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/3974/lairscreen20060327004958573qk8.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4413/lairingamehv3.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/vk-fallen/3-1.jpg
2005 - cutscene model

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6827/snakegameplaymodelap6.jpg
2006 - gameplay model


Downgrade my ass.

this is not trolling folksNah, it's just ignorance.

[Domination]

Yeah all the debates on how the Target demos are gameplay or the cutscenes represent gameplay.

Wounding, these titles aren't even finished. They aren't even launching this year. Yet, you feel so strongly that their counterparts should be completely matched now. I'm baffled. It doesn't make sense, not in the least little bit.

http://tpl4life.com/images/smilies/suicide.gif

[Smokey]

i tell ya this site is getting 'Downgraded' by some shit posts and attitudes :(

[masteratt]

@woundingchaney: Even if we are biased, we are allowed to as this is the PS3 board and it makes sense but I don't think anyone is being a PS zombie blindly praising everything that is being released on it.
We just get pissed off when Sony haters flood this board with petty attempts to...I don't even know what they are trying to do.

[Beenie Man]

I used to read CrumCon's post before I joined until he completely dissapperared. His or her's post quality has gone down considerably. It is as if he is one of those angry Sony fans who had unrealisticily high expectations for every single event and the PS3.

[Pumpkin Head]

I get kind of tired of the same old "your a troll/hater/fanbot etc" everytime someone has something that can even be viewed negative about the PS3.

This forum is great as long as your praising Sony, but any view outside of that just doesnt coincide. Lair, MGS4, HS, RR7 are all good looking games but just what is setting them apart other than they are on the PS3. There is equivalents of these games on the 360 and is on the PC.

Sure we can post a magazines interpretation of the event and someone can post another one that disagrees with theirs.

I have not seen one thing on the PS3 that stands out above anything else out there. But this statement makes me a troll and a xbot.You know what i 100% disagree.

[Cyrus]

How many fuckin times has this already happened? We get a couple of crappy screenshot comparisons and it's "DOWNGRADE". Even MGS4 Leipzig trailer off-screen was "DOWNGRADE" until the HD direct feed came in.

Just wait till you get the direct feed HD footage from all those games and then shut up. It's what's happened a thousand times before TGS and it is what will happen again when we get all the best material available.
Although, I myself have already seen enough to be more excited than ever of so many amazing games on display there on the showfloor and the trailers also (like White Knight). But still, direct feed HD will make everything even better plus also the development time that's still left for many of the games.

[woundingchaney]

Wounding, these titles aren't even finished. They aren't even launcing this year. Yet, you feel so strongly that their counterparts should be completely matched now. I'm baffled. It doesn't make sense, not in the least little bit.
No your missing the point Dom., what Im saying is that we fall back on the it isnt done when they dont look good but when we were watching cutscenes and the like everything was spectacular and could directly be interpreted as gameplay.

I definetely think the games look good, I think that when they are done they may very well look better. Has there been a downgrade, well in my opinion - yes.

[Rubbernek]

I get kind of tired of the same old "your a troll/hater/fanbot etc" everytime someone has something that can even be viewed negative about the PS3.

This forum is great as long as your praising Sony, but any view outside of that just doesnt coincide. Lair, MGS4, HS, RR7 are all good looking games but just what is setting them apart other than they are on the PS3. There is equivalents of these games on the 360 and is on the PC.

Sure we can post a magazines interpretation of the event and someone can post another one that disagrees with theirs.

I have not seen one thing on the PS3 that stands out above anything else out there. But this statement makes me a troll and a xbot.

You obviously haven't been following the TGS media. Perhaps hiding your head in the sand...

Motorstorm and Formula 1 and now the two best looking racers ever.

Watch the latest build of MS: http://www.playsyde.com/news_3543_en.html

F1 trailer: http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748480/vids_1.html

Nothing compares to those two.

White Knight story absolutely destroyed any RPG out there. It was like FMV that you could actually play.

For pure graphics whores Afrika looks incredible.

We're seeing games pushing 1080P/60FPS and looking better than their 720P/30fps XBOX 360 companion (RR7, VT3).

This is all pre-launch 1st generation stuff we're seeing and it's on another level. I'm not the only one saying this either: websites, TV shows are agreeing.

PS3's graphical superiority has been demonstrated in the last couple of days and as much as it may displease some people it's true.

[Raijin]

Man, the more time passes, the more boards (not this one particulary) bore me to death with the pissin match contest between fanboys.

Seriously Crumcon, if you're not happy, what are you doing here? I mean, you arent pleased with what Sony showed, that's fine and all but trying to convince people who obviously disagree with you is really, really annoying.

Also, you seem to forget intentionally forget those games finished yet and some of them have still a year to go...

Finally, one thing I will notice is PS3 launch games are easily in part with xbox360 2nd gen games which is something to me.

[Pumpkin Head]

Gotta post this again.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6631/hs20052006rp3.jpg

Heavenly Sword - E3 2005 / E3 2006 (no kidding, no mistake)

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/3974/lairscreen20060327004958573qk8.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4413/lairingamehv3.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/vk-fallen/3-1.jpg
2005 - cutscene model

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6827/snakegameplaymodelap6.jpg
2006 - gameplay model


Downgrade my ass.

Nah, it's just ignorance. VG these guys need glasses if they can't see sony lived up too the hype...lol

[woundingchaney]

@woundingchaney: Even if we are biased, we are allowed to as this is the PS3 board and it makes sense but I don't think anyone is being a PS zombie blindly praising everything that is being released on it.
We just get pissed off when Sony haters flood this board with petty attempts to...I don't even know what they are trying to do.
Im not calling out a bias, Im bias as is anyone. But instead of simply labeling someone we could discuss it be it good or bad.

I dont think these attempts are petty I think there may be an intersting point and in all honesty I agree to one extent or another. If this was an upgrade thread everyone would be throwing flowers and dancing around a may pole.

[Pluto]

Heavenly Sword shouldn't even be considered an issue graphically. It has already made major improvements upon their past graphical goal. Lets leave that alone.

Lair - Looking basically like the older screen shots; could definitely use some work. What PS3 game in early development HASN'T needed work? And look at them now - polished, and refined.

Time will tell. :)

[masteratt]

EDIT: sry, double post

[masteratt]

Im not calling out a bias, Im bias as is anyone. But instead of simply labeling someone we could discuss it be it good or bad.

I dont think these attempts are petty I think there may be an intersting point and in all honesty I agree to one extent or another. If this was an upgrade thread everyone would be throwing flowers and dancing around a may pole.
WELL DUH!!!

omg man, whats ur point.
We are people who are going to purchase this console so therefore any good news is great news.
but guys who come here who never had intention to purchase the console in the first place (because if they did, they wudnt pick on such petty things) acting like "i am a dissapointed sony fan" is really annoying.

[xbdestroya]

I'm getting *really* pissed off...

This is a forum for adults, so people better start acting like adults.

If this forum were ridden with trolls, ridden with Sony fanboys, and ridden with everything else bad in the world of gaming - but people still acted maturely - this would still be the greatest Sony forum on the net. But it's the immature behaviour that follows every 'flashpoint' event that brings us down.

We're the 'best' Sony forum out there - I don't have qualms saying it. But please, let's just make sure we act like it too... Let's export PSINext reason and values to other forums, rather than fall victim to imported 'barbarism.' And that means the way we react to 'trolling' as much as it does anythign else.

...Crumcon...

You are an old-schooler, and for me that means you'll always deserve a certain level of respect. But these thread titles and postings of yours lately are being handled in *completely* the wrong way... You have the right to call a lot of these accusers of yourself newbies it's true - hell you've been a member longer than me! But that doesn't mean you have carte blanche, y'know?

Now, we all know I'm tolerent of Sony 'hate' on this board; frankly whether some members like it or not, I think it's important to keep perspective. But... you are pushing this way too strongly. This exact same topic thread entitled Are MGS4, Heavenly Sword, and Lair meeting their targets? would have come off way less inflamatory - yet still given you the vein of discussion you wanted. I think the big question mark on a lot of peoples minds at the moment is why are you choosing such inflammatory remarks/thread titles to address Sony's TGS performance?