Why the hate :(

[Siraris]

So I had a bad experience on another forum that I frequent tonight. I am a Sony fan, I will come out and say it, much like the rest of you are. I'm definitely not over the top, but it is my most anticipated console over the other 2 based on what I've seen so far. It doesn't help the 360's case that I have a high-end PC rig.

The people on this site are pretty much all 360 fans, and although many of them are very cool people, intelligent, level headed etc. there are quite a few that are totally irrational, immature, and just hate Sony with a passion for no reason.

It really is pretty strange that there is so much hate against Sony, and I mean to the level of people wishing them to go out of business. Some people on the site actually dislike me because I like Sony, even though there are people on the site who are terrible trolls, and much bigger Nintendo/Microsoft fanboys than I am a Sony fan.

Many of these people claim to be fans of "gaming" too, yet when it comes to Sony that goes out the window. I just don't get how after Sony has provided such a wonderful experience for us over the past 10 years, all of a sudden they are the enemy and need to be destroyed. As much as I'm not big on the Wii, and I thinking about getting a 360 but still on the edge, I never really badmouth the systems. They all will have games that appeal to all kinds of people and all have their own benefits. Yet Sony takes all this flack. It could be argued it's because they are the 800 lb gorilla, but I get the feeling like it's something else. People almost feel like Sony has somehow effected them personally on some level.

Anyways, it was just a rough night of fanning the flames, and the worst part was I was RIGHT and this guy was DEAD WRONG. In hindsight, I feel like a total jackass for even partaking in most of the back and forth, as it was an utter waste of my time to argue with someone so simple minded. In the end, I made this great post, and all he responded was with this emoticon and never responded again.

So I just need some lovin from the great guys on PSINext forums. I know all you guys will understand. Can we have a big group hug?

[CrumCon]

just because u post there are many sony haters out there, doesnt mean we will give u some hugz :)

im being in psinext since 2003, just to follow ps3 news.

and im really damn happy how ps3 turned out to be, it gave me that you know '' ass kickiing '' feeling about gaming. i havent felt it with PS2.. only with PSX and Saturn.

[frosty]

:grouphug:

[EvilTaru]

Are you talking about GAF?

What I'm more appalled is media-types like John Davison who is constantly using his former affiliation with OPM to try to dodge the hater moniker but is constantly hating on the PS3 no matter what has been shown.

When the PS3 comes out and people actually find out the fact that it's awesome, a lot of people will get off the hate-wagon.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/gladtomeetya.gif

[curryking1]

Siraris, just kick back, and let this settle in for you. Just simply don't care what any kind of fanboy says on forums. People on forums, all of them from fanboys to non-fanboys (or normal people lol), are the minority among the people who actually purchase these things, remember that. Forums can lightly influence games or even console sales, maybe, but not in any significant way (more so at the beginning of the console life cycle, but exponentially less in importance as the years pass by).

Just remember that whichever console you like, whether it be the Xbox 360, the PS3, or the Wii, each is going to have great games on it and each will have something to cater to anyone's, even the most connoisseur-like of us, taste.

All these idiots on the internet (which are, honestly, probably North Americans who are headstrong, I'm North American, I'm probably suffering from this too, I can even see it in the way I'm writing this god damn post lol) are meaningless. 99% of the people on boards you meet will always remain faceless cartoon avatar things that are miles away from you. You shouldn't let them alter the way you think.

I'm only getting the PS3. Why? Because it is enough for me, but I still want a Xbox 360 and a Wii as well, it's just not possible at this time for me to have all three. Why am I not bothered when some headstrong morons on a forum want to make fun of the decision I made? Because I simply couldn't care less what they think, it just doesn't matter.

I'm not going to laugh at people who bought only the X360 or only the Wii. They obviously have a preference to that system and/or the games on it. What purpose does it serve for me to make fun of them? That person has fun with that system, who am I to judge that person? It's like if my favourite car is the Murcielago and someone's else's is the H3. It's personal preference, a term everyone on the internet knows, but never understands.

Get what suits you, may it be 1, 2, 3 or more consoles handhelds, whatever, and be happy with it, and after that is all said and done, nothing else matters right?

[Applefiend]

This isn't because I think Sonic sucks is it? :)

I consider this place an oasis of Sony lurve in a sea of hate. :)

[Lekko]

Well... I've run into random hate a lot too. In other places, if you mention that you are excited about the PS3, xbox fans start shouting out technical reasons why the PS3 is flawed (mostly older reasons at that), how the games are worse.. ect. ect.

I've been trying to figure out why as well, this really seems to be an issue almost unique to gaming, but not completely..

You see the same kind of favoritism in other brands, such as cars, "dude... why would you ever buy a Ford? Those are horrible...", or in movies, "Lord of the rings is WAY better than Starwars...". Now most of the time, people just sit and laugh at these flame wars because you, the consumer, benefits and enjoys both options typically (not so much in the case of car manufacturers, but still). Most times we laugh because fans of either brand try to use facts to back up their opinions. In the end, whatever choice you make as a consumer is a decision of preference and opinion, not something factual in any way.

Now in the case of consoles, it tends to get a little bit more personal. If someone were to insult you based on your taste in games, than that is a personal attack, and then any attack on a system as a whole becomes generally personal. At this point, most debates turn into a mudslining battle because it becomes personal, and the gloves are off.

The thing that most scares me, is that there is a general dislike of Sony right now. This is very very bad for the system because it will hurt the overall rate of adoption. If the PS3 doesn't get enough units sold, then game budgets will be limited since you have a smaller potential userbase. This is why the PS3 launch lineup is so critical, it needs to WOW everyone into trying the system out and realizing that all the negative PR is just that.

Just realize that they are trying to argue opinions and personal preference with facts, and that no matter how much either of you argue, it will go nowhere. Just remind whoever you are arguing with that you are looking forward to the games that will come out on the PS3, and that you are happy that there is another system offering another choice and style of gaming. If they are anti-sony, they are anti-choice. Sony puts out games that you don't see on other systems, and probably wouldn't see at all if Sony did not exist.

[Bsack]

Shit I won't hate and I'm a multi console lover. I can't wait to be able to own a PS3 and I hope the PS3 does very well. Yeah I'll own a Wii before I own a PS3 because of the cost factor. I love Sony just as much as the next guy. =)

[CrumCon]

what? u love the next guy?

ur not hetero i see

[DC_613]

Mmmmmmmmmmm it something that is becoming more and more prevelant, on a certain official playstation site i frequent i find it is constantly inhabited with fanboys of other consoles who post every scrap of hate they can....... but then its to easy to show em up so i dont mind.

But eh, you cant change their minds, the games have to do that......... which they deffiently look like they are doing, but then they will be to stuborn to admit they look amazing and that they wanna play em.

Oh and im a multi platform owner....... so i have some experience....... i think?

[Applefiend]

Oh... Why hasn't someone said "I can't afford $600 yet", so we all go $499".

People slipping. :)

[woundingchaney]

You know this generation has really brought out some of the worst in gamers. But man isnt it great. Really though when was the last time any of us have seen so many people hell bent on gaming. Dont get me wrong I get sick of all the propoganda and flaming on the boards across the net as well. But none of us can deny that the last year in gaming has been one of the most memorable, hyped, and all around entertaining in not only gaming but gaming media.

I think we all take the thing too seriously (myself included), but it really has been fun drawing sides, playing devils advocate, and discussing the onset of this generation.

[VG Aficionado]

I think we all take the thing too seriously (myself included), but it really has been fun drawing sides, playing devils advocate, and discussing the onset of this generation.I feel the gaming industry is becoming something as big as any other entertainment industry. I can tell simply by looking at the fanboyism, at the hype and at the overall reach and awareness of gaming systems and software success. Games are not for kids or for hardcore gamers only anymore, but it's becoming something really widespread.

[woundingchaney]

I feel the gaming industry is becoming something as big as any other entertainment industry. I can tell simply by looking at the fanboyism, at the hype and at the overall reach and awareness of gaming systems and software success. Games are not for kids or for hardcore gamers only anymore, but it's becoming something really widespread.
I have to agree. Especially as the gaming generation becomes older gaming itself is more aware and accepted in society.


All in all good statement.

[venomv]

Really though when was the last time any of us have seen so many people hell bent on gaming.

Well......there was....well....never. And that can be only but good for the industry as a whole. And sinse we are all gamers here, that is good for us.

[OmniCloud]

Exactly!! VG & Wounding-The older gamers are now taking over, and that's why there's so much flaming and bashing because it's simply not who has the best games anymore as crazy as that sounds. Let me address this

I don't plan on buying a 360. Why? A couple of the games appeal to me but not enough to fork over say $300. Is that the only reason tho, of couse not!!! I think their marketing sux and there spokesmen are complete idiots. Besides that-I feel they sorta bought their way into the gaming industry without innovation while every other system had to really push there visions and name to get an established console. When I was say 10 or 11yrs old I didn't care about ANY of that crap!! Who cares who makes it-"as long as the game is fun right?"WRONG!! Now, I'm actually concerned about what the people who represent these companies say. Im concerned about what goes on behind doors. LOL...fanboysim is certainly justified in my opinion. Ignorance-is the problem...

+rep to everyone if the thread...nice read fellas

[masteratt]

go sony!! WOOT!! WOOT!!
F**K M$!!!!!! AND NINTENDORKS!!!!
SONY FTW!! WOOOOT WOOOOT!!!!





Here is the love :beer:

[cliffbo]

the answer is very simple: when a company or an individual gets to the top, its a natural inclination to support the underdog and so those at the top get all the flack. fanboys are a different matter. these just tend to be blind to anything other than what is on their chosen console. i for one would like to say (to wounding in particular) that the 360 is a damn fine machine and if i could afford both the 360 and the PS3 i'd be a happy man.

[Applefiend]

To be honest if I want to talk to someone about a 360 game I'll usually talk about it with a Playstation guy as the obsession to "get sony" blinds them to everything.

And it's really pathetic.

I mostly play 360, because PS3 ain't out yet and it the only next gen game in town. The last thing I'd do is go to an XBox forum to talk about these games I play, as every other message is going to be about how Sony suck, when they're a great consumer electronics company, my cool TV and phone and Playstation 2 say so.

If you're going to pick a consumer electronics company to hate, pick Aiwa or somebody, really.

A lot of these guys have the mantra: "If only Sony went bust, gaming would be great".

Ermm.... How?

[cliffbo]

Exactly!! VG & Wounding-The older gamers are now taking over, and that's why there's so much flaming and bashing because it's simply not who has the best games anymore as crazy as that sounds. Let me address this

I don't plan on buying a 360. Why? A couple of the games appear to me but not enough to fork over say $300. Is that the only reason tho of couse not!!! I think their marketing sux and there spokemen are complete idiots. Besides that-I feel they sorta bought there way into the gaming industry without innovation while every other system had to really push there visions and name to get an established console. When I was say 10 or 11yrs old I didn't care about ANY of that crap!! Who cares who makes it-"as long as the game is fun right?"WRONG!! Now I'm actually concerned about what the people who represent these companies say. Im concerned about what goes on behind doors. LOL...fanboysim is certainly justified in my opinion. Ignorance-is the problem...

+rep to everyone if the thread...nice read fellas

this sums up exactly why i dislike MS, but you can't argue that the 360 isn't a sterling piece of kit - if you take it on face value that is. comparative arguments actual verify this. the fact that we put the 360 down by comparing it to the PS3 is proof that its a good machine, because without that comparison, we too would be blown away...

[jaxmkii]

I think we all take the thing too seriously (myself included), but it really has been fun drawing sides, playing devils advocate, and discussing the onset of this generation.
yea i see what your saying its just like are you a Redsocks/yankies fan of chevy/ford nascar buff. all that crap is pointless but still fun.

im still waiting for the day Gameing hooligans trash a city. when there console sales slip. :2cents:

[julps31]

So I had a bad experience on another forum that I frequent tonight. I am a Sony fan, I will come out and say it, much like the rest of you are. I'm definitely not over the top, but it is my most anticipated console over the other 2 based on what I've seen so far. It doesn't help the 360's case that I have a high-end PC rig.

The people on this site are pretty much all 360 fans, and although many of them are very cool people, intelligent, level headed etc. there are quite a few that are totally irrational, immature, and just hate Sony with a passion for no reason.

It really is pretty strange that there is so much hate against Sony, and I mean to the level of people wishing them to go out of business. Some people on the site actually dislike me because I like Sony, even though there are people on the site who are terrible trolls, and much bigger Nintendo/Microsoft fanboys than I am a Sony fan.

Many of these people claim to be fans of "gaming" too, yet when it comes to Sony that goes out the window. I just don't get how after Sony has provided such a wonderful experience for us over the past 10 years, all of a sudden they are the enemy and need to be destroyed. As much as I'm not big on the Wii, and I thinking about getting a 360 but still on the edge, I never really badmouth the systems. They all will have games that appeal to all kinds of people and all have their own benefits. Yet Sony takes all this flack. It could be argued it's because they are the 800 lb gorilla, but I get the feeling like it's something else. People almost feel like Sony has somehow effected them personally on some level.

Anyways, it was just a rough night of fanning the flames, and the worst part was I was RIGHT and this guy was DEAD WRONG. In hindsight, I feel like a total jackass for even partaking in most of the back and forth, as it was an utter waste of my time to argue with someone so simple minded. In the end, I made this great post, and all he responded was with this emoticon and never responded again.

So I just need some lovin from the great guys on PSINext forums. I know all you guys will understand. Can we have a big group hug?I know exactly what you're talkin about. So many Sony haters...my theory is that theres more Sony fans but we're not as rabid as them. So it seems to be more Sony hate then there actually is. Gamers are very territorial now when it comes to consoles. Especially x-box gamers since they got more to prove trying to get there console on top.

So they cosign the Nintendo console along with the M$ console and put Sony down.

[OmniCloud]

this sums up exactly why i dislike MS, but you can't argue that the 360 isn't a sterling piece of kit - if you take it on face value that is. comparative arguments actual verify this. the fact that we put the 360 down by comparing it to the PS3 is proof that its a good machine, because without that comparison, we too would be blown away...U absolutely right Cliffbo-It would definitely be my second choice-if I had UBER amounts of money. When I said they bought their way into the gaming industry-I didn't say they did a bad job..LOL-I just hate how they did it.

[cliffbo]

U absolutely right Cliffbo-It would definitely be my second choice-if I had UBER amounts of money. When I said they bought their way into the gaming industry-I didn't say they did a bad job..LOL-I just hate how they did it.

this is the sort of rational thinking i like. each factor of any company should be taken separately and judged accordingly. we should never hate something entirely because of one factor out of thousands... that leads to blind fanboyism... good points Omni +rep

[OmniCloud]

^Same here cliffy+rep

[cliffbo]

^Same here cliffy+rep

i guess we'd better hug at this point LOL ;)

[Grovestreet]

Why the hate?
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The Delay....

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8874/j2da3.jpg
Merry Christmas Europe, Enjoy your PS3...

Nextgen starts when we say it does

Nextgen has already started, It started back in NOVEMBER!

[julps31]

Lol @ Grove street. *puts hand on heart* And i'm glad to be an American...

[Applefiend]

That first batch of 360s breaking down in November is still fresh in my mind so I'm glad US will be testing the PS3 for us, and the PAL territories will be getting the final product. :)


muhahahah!

[CrumCon]

IGN : Does the Xbox 360 have the internal bandwidth between CPUs and graphics processors necessary to move a full 1080p image? There's a big difference between 1080i and the 3GB/s of 1080p.

Microsoft: No Comment.

off topic, but wheres the rest of this interview?

[Siraris]

The site is EvilAvatar, where trolls derail posts that have nothing to do with Sony for no reason, and posts about Sony for no reason either. Here's an example from today:

This just in Ken Kutaragi has just informed us that the Wii doesn’t actually exist, he then began doing lines of coke off the ass of his assistant and announced his candidacy for Emperor of Japan.

Maybe they didn't get their dosage of Sony purple kool-aid to brainwash them into thinking the PS3 is a good value.

Gamers on PS3: "We don't care."

The Wii is revolutionizing gameplay, the 360 brings together a gaming community, Live! Arcade and the ability to create games. And Sony offers.....oh nothing

and this is my favorite:

Here are the facts: By this time next year, there is a very good chance that Sony will not of sold 1.5 million PS3's (because they probably won't make that many in that time-frame). Nintendo will sell four million Wii's by Christmas. The 360 already has a large install base, and it will get larger before Sony has even made itself a market presence.

So, who would you make games for? <1.5 million people, four million+, or whatever the number for the 360 is at this point (I haven't kept up, but I can tell you that it is more than 1.5 million). That is a problem, and that is something you should care about if you are trying to compete.

I don't really care, I know the 360 is a solid platform and that it will supply me with a lot of enjoyment this generation. I have a solid gaming PC, and it'll either be getting an upgrade, or I'll be buying a Wii in the next couple months. Either way, I'm set for games for quite some time. I hope I'll get a PS3 one day as well, as I'm sure there'll be things on it that I will want to play. But I may not get one until very late in the game, and I think that'll go for a lot of people this time around.

[woundingchaney]

The site is EvilAvatar, where trolls derail posts that have nothing to do with Sony for no reason, and posts about Sony for no reason either. Here's an example from today:


It goes both ways.






and this is my favorite:

[pari]

The site is EvilAvatar, where trolls derail posts that have nothing to do with Sony for no reason, and posts about Sony for no reason either. Here's an example from today:








and this is my favorite:

Well part of it stems from the attitude of the company MS, they started xbox campaign with a booklet saying welcome to jagged free world and snide remarks about PS2...

And whatever the xbots/trolls want to say, the reality is 360 is having stiff competition with PS2 and PS2 doing better of 360. I believe insecurity is causing them to say. Watching 360 doing ok in Europe hurting their much pride and 360 faltering in Japan driving a stagger into their heart. So only way out, go all out against Sony.

Sony is struggling with the launch and atleast they are telling it upfront (well at the last minute), whereas MS kept playing their 10million line on and on when they had big manufacturing issues and released press statement all 360 sold in first 10minutes. Then went on to make snide remark about 1080p, how they are giving options for the gamers by not including next gen drive. Now 360 can do native 1080p when MS exec said 1080p is impossible and Sony is lying.. For all the messiah MS is, reality, Halo RTS mod was banned (by way of lawsuit) and guess what MS is releasing Halo RTS. Now if that was Sony I cannot imagine what the reaction of all the hate monger's reaction would have been starting from kotaku, joystiq and xbots/trolls. I would have been like Sony is lying and its an evil company so forth...

Bottomline, xbots/trolls are fustrated at Sony because its make them look insecure and nobody likes to have that feeling... If Sony offers xbox live equivalent for free, I am waiting to seeing all the spinmisters starting right from MS and its trollbots...

[PUNK em 733]

off topic, but wheres the rest of this interview?



http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?t=62515


And like a previous poster said, I think the biggest thing is when your at the top, a champ if you will, everyone wants to see you tumble to the bottom of the pile.

Look how it's cool to hate the Yankees, Lakers when they were champs...etc, etc.

[section]

To think of it on a larger scope, people all over the world partially hate, partially envy USA because they are now the sole one on the top of the "super countries" list. There's no competition anymore so at least almost all of us "western" countries depend on USA's wealth. If you go downward spiral we all here in Europe go downward spiral. You had hurricane Katrina, it upped the oil price all over the Europe.

Maybe the increase in oil price happened also elsewhere else in the world but now they are talking about how the decline of consumption in USA will affect negatively to the overall growth of wealth in the whole Europe.

So the same always happens in both the bigger and smaller scopes.

[The Dude]

You know this generation has really brought out some of the worst in gamers.

I don't know about that, I remember more then a few fist fights in elementary school when it came down to Genesis/SNES debates. How strong fanboyism is a direct corrilation to how good the games are.

[section]

I remember more then a few fist fights in elementary school when it came down to Genesis/SNES debates.Physical violence, never a greater testimony for a fanboyance :) Thankfully I was never part of that, only argued if owning a brand new quad was better than owning a spanking new computer :)