1080p TVs [Archive] - E-mpire Forums

CARTIER90

10-01-2006, 12:09 AM

' Not to be an ass' ....you f****n cretin , this is exactly the kind of thread we need, particularly to discuss the Uk situation, .....apologies every 1, it really gets to me when people say ' we dont need this as a thread' as if its taking up frickin space !.....

1080p, or 1080i, jesus, good question, we in the uk , for those not so enlighted get totally f****d over regarding prices- NICK....id wait, then wait some more...i can imagine getting a (quite cheap now) 720 set and regretting it come late 07 when 1080 becomes affordable..think long term :)

Fredag

10-01-2006, 12:17 AM

Made this in Photoshop. KDL-40W2000 is 1080p and is not to expensive. Dustinhome in Sweden will get it 16 october, or so says the rumor...
I bet UK get it first...

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6640/kdl40w2000de1.jpg

Nameless

10-01-2006, 12:33 AM

^ Nice photoshop job! :drool:
I'm waiting until next year when 50" & above 1080P displays will be more reasonably priced...

CARTIER90

10-01-2006, 12:35 AM

nice pic fredag......what would u call 'not to expensive' :)

NickSCFC

10-01-2006, 12:43 AM

£1,940.00

:|

masteratt

10-01-2006, 12:47 AM

Not bad.

Sony Bravia is £3000 at the moment! :shock:

CARTIER90

10-01-2006, 12:49 AM

humph......800 is enough.......il wait.....32 inch 1080p is big enough...

NickSCFC

10-01-2006, 01:02 AM

So what's the cheapest 1080p TV you can get in £ UK?

Beenie Man

10-01-2006, 01:12 AM

Westinghouse

Yo MaMa84

10-01-2006, 01:16 AM

' Not to be an ass' ....you f****n cretin , this is exactly the kind of thread we need, particularly to discuss the Uk situation, .....apologies every 1, it really gets to me when people say ' we dont need this as a thread' as if its taking up frickin space !.....

Is there a reason why your acting like a child?......i didnt say he should close it. I suggested he could ask a admin to merge the threads. I couldn't care less if you guys wanna make a million thread. Plus i wasnt talking to you.....i was stating my OPINION and telling him my SUGGESTION, so there is no reason to get a hemroid over something that doesnt concern you.

NickSCFC

10-01-2006, 01:32 AM

Yo MaMa84

10-01-2006, 01:41 AM

^^ changed it........is that better now Master??!?!?!?
:thumbr:

EvilTaru

10-01-2006, 02:32 AM

It's "I couldn't care less", no idea why prople on this forumstarted saying "Could care less", cause saying it that way is saying it really does bother you...

but saying "Couldn't care less" means you don't care so much that you couldn't care any less...

stupid Americans :D

I'm Canadian.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

lips

10-01-2006, 03:06 AM

http://www.sonystyle.com
looks like many full hd tvs are available, and yes in canada too, I will have to go to a store though to see what tv would look best to furnish my house.

iceman2654

10-01-2006, 04:45 AM

I'm Canadian.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif

Eh. (Same here)

stanDarsh

10-01-2006, 06:04 AM

Here Nick:

http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1&sku=59234

Dradien

10-01-2006, 08:30 AM

It's "I couldn't care less", no idea why prople on this forumstarted saying "Could care less", cause saying it that way is saying it really does bother you...

but saying "Couldn't care less" means you don't care so much that you couldn't care any less...

stupid Americans :D

If you want to nitpick...

You didn't use proper grammar,

Stupid foreigners.

On a more serious note, anyone know if 16ms pixel response time is good enough? 8 is kind of hard, and I really don't want ghosting.

Beenie Man

10-01-2006, 08:59 AM

I'm plan on waiting for a 46'' HDMI 1.3 1080p Bravia XBR next year(can't bother wirh SED, might have high defect rates and extremely expensive).

Smokey

10-01-2006, 09:01 AM

anyone know if 16ms pixel response time is good enough
No,No :)

woundingchaney

10-01-2006, 10:54 AM

If you want to nitpick...

You didn't use proper grammar,

Stupid foreigners.

On a more serious note, anyone know if 16ms pixel response time is good enough? 8 is kind of hard, and I really don't want ghosting.
16ms would be on the verge of what your going to need for next gen. This like contrast is an area in tv. manufacturing (much like contrast) that the numbers provided dont tell the whole tale. Its entirely possible that a 6ms ref. rate for a tv is actually worse than another tv with a 12ms rate.

16ms. is fine but I would suggest a smaller number.

satriales

10-01-2006, 05:00 PM

I'm in the UK too and I think that unless your super rich it's not worth buying a 1080P tv just yet. Give it another year and there will be more choice and they should be a bit more reasonably priced.
I almost bought the Toshiba 32" WLT66, but decided that 1080P will soon become the standard and so I'm better off waiting a bit longer and buying a decent 1080P set.

Viano

10-01-2006, 06:50 PM

for ps3 users I suggest wait till the hdmi1.3 comes out.. loL

rpgamer_2k5

10-01-2006, 07:38 PM

I'm Canadian.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/EvilTaru/Indifferent2.gif Canadians are no different. We intentionally bastardize 'pure' British English.

Heck even I do it. :laugh:

Beenie Man

10-01-2006, 08:07 PM

Which would be a better size for 1080p. 40'' pr 46''? I will be sitting 7-9 feet away from the TV, and I do not want to get a size that does not show the benefits of 1080p.

I read some reviews on the Bravia XBR2s and XBR3s, and the reviewers said 1080p on a 40'' screen has a much sharper, crisper, clearer, and focused image compared to 46'' and up because the tv iss fitting 2 million pixels.
"

Yo MaMa84

10-01-2006, 08:54 PM

frosty

10-01-2006, 09:40 PM

You can snag a 1080p front projector for about $5-7k, though it won't be all that bright >2000 lumens. For a bright one, you're looking at $10k. But the pretty much limitless screen size has me interested in one.

jako

10-01-2006, 10:12 PM

Don't forget that to take full advantage of the PS3, you'll need Full HD TV with HDMI 1.3.
I don't know if you can get such a TV today ?

Beenie Man

10-01-2006, 10:25 PM

40" is the highest size you'd wanna go on a LCD, anything higher and the refresh rates looks slower and the pixels looks bigger and less sharp.
You want a bigger size screen with great picture quality......then a Plasma or projection(rear and front) is the way to go.

As for the perfect distance from ur TV, it should b 2 to 2 1/2 times the size of the Tv screen measured between the screen and ur seat. Too close and you'll start seeing the pixels. Too far and you'll lose immersion.

Are you sure about that? I read the reviews on the 46XBR2, and the reviewers say the picture is stunning when 8-10 feet away(the length of how far I will be sitting). Also, isn't HDMI 1.3 supposed to increase refresh rates on 1080p and allow more contrast?

Yo MaMa84

10-01-2006, 10:49 PM

^^ Yeah i have heard good reviews about it too. But with my experience with different LCD's (former Circuit City employee) 40" was normally the best for an LCD, but since its 1920x1080p there are more pixels so the picture should look better on the 46". (i'll have to do some research) If you dont mind waiting......wait for the XBR3, should be out early next month i think. Faster refresh rate, HDMI 1.3, Brighter screen etc.

OmniCloud

10-01-2006, 11:11 PM

I wanna 1080p TV now with all the games showing up in that resolution, And I wanna see if it becomes standard like Sony is predicting it will-I don't wanna have a step below the standard in a few months when I fork over $800 bucks for a TV!! My question is, will a simple upgrade to say 420p Widescreen display be good enough untill 1080p becomes reasonable. I saw a nice 36in Widesreen for like $500--I'm going to wait untill I have a PS3 regardless, but it that a good purchase for the next 2 years? Can u tell the resolution difference that much if the TV's aren't right next to each other?

nwo504

10-02-2006, 06:20 AM

ill wait for hdmi 1.3 thanks

PUNK em 733

10-02-2006, 06:22 AM

So as of right now there are no 1080P TVs that have HDMI 1.3? If not, when will they show up?

MaceSin

10-02-2006, 06:34 AM

I'll buy a 1080p tv in either 2011-2012. It won't be necessary for me to have one until then.

PUNK em 733

10-02-2006, 06:39 AM

DAMN! At least by then a 1080P would prolly be like 800$,

Viano

10-02-2006, 09:43 AM

So as of right now there are no 1080P TVs that have HDMI 1.3? If not, when will they show up?

the end of this year, more next year for sure.

10-02-2006, 01:31 PM

I'll buy a 1080p tv in either 2011-2012. It won't be necessary for me to have one until then.
by that time, you may be looking at a 2k x 4k resolution.

masteratt

10-02-2006, 02:32 PM

About HDMI 1.3: the end of this year, more next year for sure.
Oh for god sake! And then I have to wait for THOSE to drop in price...urgh.

Seriously, the HD market is moving WAAAAAAAAAY too fast! I wait for something to drop in price and while waiting for that, in less than a year three new versions of it come out! And these are not just "Oh look a new colour!" or "slightly improved" either. These are some critical improvements and you can't afford to buy something at a 1000+ price point that isn't future-proof.

This is ridicilous!

OmniCloud

10-02-2006, 05:04 PM

^I 100% agree man...Don't u know can't keep up with technology-ur always gonna have something outdated man unless ur rich. U can still make a smart purchase tho

Epix

10-02-2006, 05:54 PM

the end of this year, more next year for sure.

Not sure what models you mean for this year, but as far as I know not until sometime next year.

HDMI 1.3 doesn't really add anything at the moment to PQ due to the fact that current HDTV's haven't fully exploited the existing HDMI spec. Increasing color depth won't make a difference until TV's that are capable of that much color resolution become available. The new HDMI spec will make it's mark in Audio, through it's ability to transfer lossless signals, then it will with video.

Viano

10-02-2006, 06:18 PM

Bravia X2500 already supports xvYCC(yes it's supreme for ps3 games) so I reall expect they push the full 1.3 version soon, though god knows if it's this year loL. I am going to CEATEC next week to check it out.

future-proof.

future-proof doesn't exist because it always remains unknown, and with excitement loL♪

10-02-2006, 06:19 PM

HDMI 1.3 doesn't really add anything at the moment to PQ due to the fact that current HDTV's haven't fully exploited the existing HDMI spec.
but PS3 and BD movies will use the 1.3 features. you'll have better color and I think better sound- if I'm not mistaken.
Seriously, the HD market is moving WAAAAAAAAAY too fast!
yeah, there is an HDTV boom right now that is getting bigger. and although that means we can't buy something now since we want for things to cool down so we can get a feature/price bargan, I still think this is great. nothing will drive cost and development faster. since Bravia came out, I only wanted an X. I think it is out now, I'm not quite sure. but I still rather wait for next year or so so I can guarantee I got good features and a good price for it. HDVTs may drop in prices faster than we think. ;)

Epix

10-02-2006, 06:23 PM

but PS3 and BD movies will use the 1.3 features. you'll have better color and I think better sound- if I'm not mistaken.

The features supported by the PS3 and BD movies will be utilized by an HDMI 1.3 compliant receiver. Any real video advantages provided by the 1.3 spec will still be beyond any current TV technology. (i.e who cares if the spec supports 100-bit color depth if TV's are still limited to 12-bit at best)

Viano

10-02-2006, 06:27 PM

I'm not a sony sales person or anything but if anyone's consider buying a hdtv for upcoming ps3 games I'd say the only choice would be BX2500. though I know it costs afew grands, but I was really amazed on how you are actually able to see the "differences" nowadays on colours when they show the ps3 games during the show. Maybe I was blown away by the tv not RR7 itself loL
But anyways, end of this year for early buyers or sometimes next year if you wanna get fully prepared I'd say loL

Viano

10-02-2006, 06:34 PM

this is too exciting, can't wait!

10-02-2006, 06:46 PM

I now exactly what you mean. the Bravia X even stands out not only in design, but in color fidelity next to a Bravia S or even a V!

hey Viano, I know of only one model for a the X series- just like the V and the S ones. different sizes don't count; are there different 'modles' in the X series or just different sizes?

Viano

10-02-2006, 07:10 PM

Unlike V S, all the X models will have the same functions and resolution(32V and 32S are both 720p). also, not even the A series, X is the only tv supports xvYCC on the market, so that's prolly the only way to get the taste of next gen tv(it's really colourful you'll get blown away loL). However, even that, it's still using 1.2 so you might get something like pic below
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060714/hdmi7.jpg
I haven't had any chance to test the tv so I can't say anything but it's a very fine tv.. though I don't think any broadcast support xvYCC but only PS3 or sony's HDV and some other devices..
conclusion for me.. might going to wait a little longer.. loL sorry kinda off topic but yeah X series are only different in size, and deifferent colour design(that's very important!)

Viano

10-02-2006, 07:17 PM

some more related pics I just found from impress watch and other sites

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060714/hdmi3.jpg
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0714/hdmi_10.jpg
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060714/hdmi5.jpg
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060714/hdmi6.jpg
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060714/hdmi8.jpg
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0714/hdmi_5.jpg
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0714/hdmi_11.jpg
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2006/0714/hdmi_7.jpg
the right one is the mini connector for HDC etc
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060622/hdmi.jpg

sorry if I seem to excited loL

10-02-2006, 07:37 PM

great, thanks Viano!
now I won't get a Bravia X till it supports 1.3 HDMI. ;)

Epix

10-02-2006, 07:42 PM

Nice slides! I'm holding out for 1440p baby!

Epix

10-02-2006, 07:42 PM

Nice slides! I'm holding out for 1440p baby!:thumbl:

Beenie Man

10-02-2006, 08:16 PM

Not sure what models you mean for this year, but as far as I know not until sometime next year.

HDMI 1.3 doesn't really add anything at the moment to PQ due to the fact that current HDTV's haven't fully exploited the existing HDMI spec. Increasing color depth won't make a difference until TV's that are capable of that much color resolution become available. The new HDMI spec will make it's mark in Audio, through it's ability to transfer lossless signals, then it will with video.

HDMI 1.3 has double the bandwidth of HDMI 1.2a, billions of colors instead of millions, Deep Color for now color banding and false contouring, higher contrast support so LCDs can have much higher contrasts ratios, 24-bit to 48-bit, higher
refresh rates causing less smearing and blurring, support for higher framerates for 1080p, and HD sound.

PUNK em 733

10-02-2006, 10:20 PM

Some great info. How would one know which TV's carry HDMI 1.3?

rpgamer_2k5

10-02-2006, 10:24 PM

Metal Sphere

10-02-2006, 10:48 PM

Some great info. How would one know which TV's carry HDMI 1.3?

Look at their specifications list, it'll usually state it there. If not, just hop on over to AVS and seek out the appropriate thread. Be ready to read a lot of posts, however.

Oh and TVs made from approximately October/November on will start getting the HDMI 1.3 chipset.

NickSCFC

10-08-2006, 01:59 PM

1st ever 1080p TV in the UK!!!

http://www.home-entertainment.toshiba.co.uk/consumer/products.nsf/pages/lcdplasma-lcdfreeview-42wlt66?opendocument

Viano

10-08-2006, 03:47 PM

still waiting them fixing the shadow problems from lcd

OmniCloud

10-08-2006, 04:10 PM

Reply to OmniCloud post #34

I have seen 32" 720p televisions for $899.99 and that's in Canadian figures. If converted to US dollars, it would be priced at $799.99. The $300 increase is worth it for a slightly smaller HDTV that has a much higher resolution. 720p is a lot more impressive than 480p.

Take a look:
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/subclass.asp?catid=23521&mfr=&logon=&langid=EN&list=&page=0&sort=3Yeah...but then the full 1080p display will be even more impressive than that right? Hmm...I think I'm gonna get a 720p set when all the 1080p sets become reasonable-then I should be able to pick up a unit like the one above for $500. I'm happy HD in penetrating the market like it is tho. I may be able to get a TV sooner than I think..

sif

10-08-2006, 05:04 PM

1st ever 1080p TV in the UK!!!

http://www.home-entertainment.toshiba.co.uk/consumer/products.nsf/pages/lcdplasma-lcdfreeview-42wlt66?opendocument

Actually My uncle has had a KDL-46X2000 since June, and that is 1080p24/30/60 and has dropped £1000 since then. Also the Pioneer 1080p plasma came out around the same time but is still ridiculously priced. The best bang for buck is probably the Toshiba or the Sony KDL-40W2000, the Sony is priceier but definately has better pq IMO. I am suspicious of the lack of explicit stating of 1080p support on the Toshiba's spec sheet though.

EDIT: 1280x1024/60 is the max for PC inputs and avforums members are universal in saying the Toshiba can display 1080p but not receive it. It deinterlaces 1080i to 1080p only but cannot recieve 1080p as it is HDMI 1.0 AFAIK.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=399086
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3508091&highlight=1080p+wlt66#post3508091

yoshaw

10-08-2006, 05:47 PM

Which TV's out are are equipped with HDMI 1.3 right now? I like the recent TGS Bravia showcase and people have really been praising them for color and quality. Does Sony Bravia support HDMI1.3 yet?

Nameless

10-08-2006, 06:00 PM

^ I don't think any TVs have been released that support HDMI 1.3.
I'm waiting for a reasonably priced 50" 1080P HD set that supports HDMI 1.3.

Viano

10-08-2006, 06:51 PM

I think there's a tv released with 1.3 but I forgot the details

Bravia X supports xvYCC which is a function(or color basing whatever..dont know the eng word) supported by 1.3. so you can call it partial 1.3 but with the bandwitdh of 1.2..

LaLiLuLeLo

10-08-2006, 07:27 PM

I think in the meantime I'm gonna save up for a decent sized 720p television under 1000 dollars. Or if push comes to shove, get a credit card.

frosty

10-08-2006, 10:19 PM

^Dude, you can get one of those Dell monitors with the HDCP compliant Dual Link DVI that hits even higher res than 1080p (at like 24' and up I think) for under $1000.

TEEDA

10-26-2006, 05:30 PM

CMO to ship 47-inch Quad HD -- 1440p -- LCD in 2007

Despite 1440p not actually being an official spec just yet, Chi Mei Optoeletronics has officially announced it will be mass producing a 47-inch Quad HD LCD panel in the second quarter of 2007. We've been drooling over the lovely 56-inch 3,840 x 2,160 resolution -- and apparently delayed -- panel CMO has been showing off all year, it looks like your first chance to surpass 1080p will come in a 47-inch, 2,560 x 1,440 resolution package.

CMO said its 47-inch QHD LCD TV panel is 1.78 times bigger than the highest pixel count available for digital TV panel with 2.07 million pixels (FHD, 1920×1080), and is four times bigger than the 920,000 pixel count for 1280×720 HD panels.

CMO said the 47-inch QHD panel has a brightness of 450 nits, contrast ratio of 1500:1, color saturation rate of 90% (NTSC) and a response time of 6.5ms

Its 3.68 million pixels are 1.78 times as many as are in current 1080p (1,920 x 1,080) screens, along with 450 nits brightness, 1,500:1 contrast ratio, 90% NTSC color saturation and a 6.5ms response time. Dual-link DVI and HDMI 1.3 connections have WQXGA resolutions like this in mind, so keep an eye out for a PlayStation 3 software update to 1440p.

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/9612/quadhdph8.jpg
the only true definition of HD. The 56-inch panel is pictured above, hopefully we'll get a look at this panel later this week during the FPD International conference in Japan.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/10/17/cmo-to-ship-47-inch-quad-hd-1440p-lcd-in-2007/

quite old news but could n t find in any other topic

Sephiroth_VII

10-26-2006, 05:40 PM

"drool"

As the article says, there's no reason that PS3 can't support 1440p via a FW update. But as for 360...

woundingchaney

10-26-2006, 05:54 PM

Man just went to CC to get my X fi SB card and saw a panasonic 1080p television, best damn tv I have ever seen in my life. Absolutely amazing. For the low low price of 3225 USD, if it wasnt for my old lady I would have demolished my credit card for that beasty.

Stelio

10-26-2006, 10:53 PM

Eh. (Same here)

T.O. - representing in full force on this site (nice).

I actully just picked up an LCD for my production centre. It's an Acer AT4220A 42" 1366x768 / 8ms / 1200:1 Contrast Ratio / HDMI / DVI / HDTV Ready LCD TV

As you can see it's not 1080p and the contrast ratio isn't the greatest but let me tell you that it's probably the best value for the dollar. It sports a nice picture and has nice little bonuses too (up to 13 PIP)

Eventually I'll get a nice 1080p set but that probably won't happen for a while cause the one I want has a 70" display (pricey). However, $3,000 less for a 60"...you get the idea.

EZ