EB Employee: "I've Played It!!!!"

[McLaren]

an EB employee's first hand experience with PS3 and the games

http://www.gamespot.com/events/ps3launch/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25030767
I just got back from our annual meeting for EB games And gamestop , and i got to play

Genji, MotorStorm, and Resistance

They all where on those new sony XBR tv's running at 720p

Ok first off, to all the people, (including myself at 1 point) When you look at a ps3 game, you know your looking at a ps3 game, there is a very distinctive difference in them, the games are so crystal clear, the shadows, the particle effects are soo nice, and from what i played , all 3 of those games look a bit better then anything ive seen and played on 360.

Genji : originally i didnt think i would like this title, but after playing it , im buying this game on DAY1 ,

The way you can swap between characters at any given time is actually very nice , and gives for some huge combos, i got to play with the main dood with the swords, the big guy with the giant pole ( lol ) and some chick with these rings on a chain , this game when you see it in person looks amazing , plays very fast and very good, the whole time i played it NOT once did the frame rate EVER drop at ALL,The colors are so nice and vibrant , got to play what looked like and opening stage wich just kinda let you see how to play with the people , then once you beat that it moved you to a battlfield with a bunch of guys on it, everything was on fire , looks awesome ( they said this game would use some tilt features but was not in this demo )


MotorStorm: This honestly is the best looking game i personally think i have ever seen as far as realizm, This game is so beautiful you really have to se it in person , for those people that think gears of war has great graphics ( wich it does ) this game in all aspects looks better than that. They only had 1 course for us to play but it did let us pick between prolly about 7 different vehicles , i played with the motor cycle dirt bike, and a dune buggy , they handle like you are in the dirt , turbo is really cool, u have a meter if you hold turbo too long you rides engine and car will blow up.Every time u blow up or crash u get the burnout slo mo effect .Almost everysingle part of the car can be destroyed , I rammed a guy next to me and knocked his driver side door off, then i rammed him again and he actually fell out of the car . I notced this with all the games i played , MotorStorm looked spectacular and Not once, EVER did the Frame rate drop . ( o yeah this was the one game they said would have ni tilt features )


Resistance : This game is really cool , graphic wise it looks extremly well , somtimes when u get up on a wall the textures dont look to good . When u get up on an enemy or zoom in on his dead body to look at them, they are EXTREMLEY detailed.The weapons in this game are AWESOME. I really like the sniper rifle , it's alt fire makes time slow down for AWESOME headshots.The ragdoll physics are sooo sweet in this game , And another thing to note , for instance, im going down some stairs, and instead oflike just killing a guy or 2, like 10 or 15 guys come runnin up the stairs, these things are jumping off the walls, there are alot of guys on screen at once.there where 3 lvls for us to play and they where all awesome , this game has a fast paced feel like UT in a way , blowinf people up with grenades is SUCH a rush and soo fun. I am a Halo ( 1 ) fan myself, i have the game on xbox and on pc for multiplayed , even tho i didnt get to play multiplayed in the demo of resistance, the single played experience rivals if not surpases that of Halo, they have done an extremly well job at balancing this game, making the weapons fun, lots of enemies, ragdoll is perfect , giant enemies , the whole feel of this game is just awesome , even this game looks a bit better than anything that is out on the 360 . O yeah, with all the people on the screen, ships flying over head, explosions goinf off , and all the chaose that is going on, NOT once did i EVER see the FRAME RATE drop at all.


After playing these 3 titles ,and getting confermatin that all 3 of these will be available on November 17th, I will be buying all 3 of these games, Like i stated before you can defenetly tell the difference between a 360 game and a ps3 game , and its not something you have to look for, its apparent from the start , the graphics are so clear , the effects and shadows and everything are just sooo nice , and iff you didnt notice, on all 3 that i played the frame rate neer droped not once at all, to me and alot others this is huge, i havnt played a 360 game yet that dont have frame rate issues ( besides knockout kings, wich is awesome ) . I went in there a bit sceptical, just a bit, and walked out completley 100% happy with what i seen and played,

just on another note, the new ps3 controller as we al know, has the battery built in, comes with the charger also , and i was told you will get 25 - 30 hours of gameplay on them . I like the new controller alot, theres nothing like a ps controller, the new triggers are really nice, and made from a rubber now also, and the analog sticks also stick upward a bit more than they did, my only complaint is that i wish the controller had a tad bit more weight to it.Another cool thng was that the games where runnin off of component cables, the guy showed me lol , the system uses the same imput as the ps1 and the ps3 , so hopefully HDMI will be a bit better .

I cannot wait for NOV 17 now!

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[Fillibuster]

A WHAT employee? EB? Wow, I didn't think people like this guy existed...

[Delirious]

Electronics Boutique most likely

But yeah thats shitty, I went to ebgames today to preorder my wii and they said that they hadnt even heard anything about preorders from the companies and to check back later.

[Fillibuster]

Electronics Boutique most likely

Lol I knew that. But an EB employee speaking intelligently about PS3? That's what I've never heard of...

[OmniCloud]

THose pic are WAAAY too big man...but +rep anyway.

[PUNK em 733]

:pepper: :pinky: :quagmire:


All good to me. Just as I expected. Let's see how all those haters respond now. I'm sure someone will tell him someone slipped him something in his drink.

[PUNK em 733]

One more thing....

O yeah 1 more thing i didnt know, the guy running the demo part told me that anytihing bluetooth will werk on ps3, i asked about headsets for online play, and he told me if i had a cell phone, i said no, he said if i had a bluetooth headset for mu cell it would work on the ps3 also.

Same guy on the second post of the thread.

[Delirious]

Lol I knew that. But an EB employee speaking intelligently about PS3? That's what I've never heard of...

lol, thats why i didnt get the last part of ur post

[PUNK em 733]

You guys will like this...butthurt fanboi lashing out...


I bet if there was a 360 in the same room, side by side running Kameo, Condemned, Gears of War, Splinter Cell Double Agent, Rainbow Six Vegas, GRAW, Lost Planet or Mass Effect the PS3 wouldnt stand out so much. First off, the PS3 is new to you. Youve been looking at 360 games for almost a year now. Secondly, these games are launch games and have had A TON of time put into them and they are all first party games which mean that these particular devs got their hands on the dev kits way before anyone!! Im not trying to slam the PS3 in any way, shape or form, but I think you should temper your enthusiasm a bit and as I said, put a 360 on the same HDTV, in the same room, side by side with the games I mentioned and the difference would be zilch IMO!

[Siraris]

Youve been looking at 360 games for almost a year now.

I almost fell out of my chair.

[Nameless]

these games are launch games and have had A TON of time put into them :lol:
If that's not a contradiction of terms I don't know what is... I just don't understand the logic in most of the fanboy's ramblings!

[OmniCloud]

hahahhahahha-who the heck is that??!!! I can see why some Xbox only guys would get a bit touchy tho-he is praising PS3 hard up there...

[Old_Timer!]

Pure Haterade

[PUNK em 733]

You guys really got to look thru the thread. Not much so far, but some gems of hating.

[yoshaw]

SOCOM PS3 in the works!! :shocked:

heavenly isnt a lacunh title man sry, they just had banners with cool stuf on em there, was very fun , they did show some new video footage of , heavenly sword, army of 2 , the new def jam, and said socom ps3 was in the werks, so i came away with some very cool info.

i was told by the sony rep and some upper management that we would be doing preorders on PS3 and the nintendo Wii in and about 10 day time . and this was yesterday i was told that.

[Nameless]

^ Great news! I'm sure Sony will put all their resources into their biggest online franchise. I have high expectations for Socom, I can't wait!

[yoshaw]

I thought the AoT footage would be the same CG as we got a few days ago but they were shown a lot more. Also DefJam3 sounds like a cool game.

the army of 2 footage was in game, showed him dragin his teamate who was shot in the leg, he was draggin him with 1 hand while shooting with the other, and his teamate was shooting also , showed some cool looking co op options

Def jam looked amazing , showed ludacris fightin TI , luda gets thrown outta some bar. then they start going at it , its really cool, the music is playing and everything in the environment moves to the music, like if base hits the cars will jump, and buildings in the backgrouns, the light in the windows were like an EQ , was very very cool, ive never really played the other 2 def jam games, but after seeing the new 1, i will be getting that.

[ded5850]

Now guys. I don't think he said anything too flambointly fanboyish. He just simply stated that the 1st guy may have jumped the guna little bit by saying that the games look better. He may have a point. Put the 360 with one of it's top rated games in there next to the PS3 games and the diffrence may not be as wide a margin as he had assumed.

Just saying I don't think he was saying anything that seemed over the top. Quite the contrary, he seemed fairly level headed. (don't shoot me)

[yoshaw]

^But it is wrong in placing 2nd gen 360 games that have had final devkit access to them for more than a year. Whereas, PS3 launch games haven't had final devkit access for that long a period and still look on par(or above) the 2ndgen 360 games.

Now do you see that guys skewed comparison there? :)

[Dradien]

Now guys. I don't think he said anything too flambointly fanboyish. He just simply stated that the 1st guy may have jumped the guna little bit by saying that the games look better. He may have a point. Put the 360 with one of it's top rated games in there next to the PS3 games and the diffrence may not be as wide a margin as he had assumed.

Just saying I don't think he was saying anything that seemed over the top. Quite the contrary, he seemed fairly level headed. (don't shoot me)


The point is, if they show a launch game next to the best 360 game, and not see a level of difference, that is a good thing.

Best 360 game has polish, has had alot of time to be worked on (360's been out for what; a year now?), and it out on market. The launch game isn't done and has been worked on for less then the 360 game.

When you consider this, there is alot of promise for those of us getting a PS3 and the whole community.

[PUNK em 733]

I'm reading more of that thead, and the guy said he's been with EB for 6 yrs, has PS2, GC, 360, in general all the systems that have come out, and he did state that not only did they have Splinter Cell and GOW on some screens, but he got to play GOW. So I think he has a good idea of what they look like.

[ded5850]

Just saying that that particular guy didn't seem too flamish to me.

All the PS3 games have been on HDTV's, no? I wonder how they will look on my regular 20" Memorex TV. I want to be just as blwon away as the next guy.

[Old_Timer!]

Don't you think the X360 games where on HDtv's as well, LoL it's not like there is a conspiracy to knock out the X is there:evil:
Remember X360 games are now 1080p as well, ooooooohh!

[ded5850]

But, to make a point, for $600, the PS3 damn well better look better than the 360, am I right? I mean, if I'm gonna break the bank on this thing, I want to know I have top of the line. This simply is the point I'd like Sony to get across. I know I'm going a little off topic with this, but with all the Sony Hate and Wii60 love going around, it just seems hard to be a PS fan. That Price tag really hurts the eyes, and this constant barrage of bad PR doesn't help much. I don't know a single person who is going to be able to get a PS3 at launch, and thus a lot more Wii fans have sprung up out of the blue. And there's nothing wrong with that, for I intend to eventually get a Wii myself (after I bounce back from bankruptcy this fall). All I'm saying is that Sony could use all the good press it can get. Lately there's been a long string of great news, and greater looking games, but I'm afraid it isn’t enough.

Just a concerned Sony enthusiast ranting a bit. I do appreciate the unique Sony love that I seem to only find here, which I greatly appreciate. I'm not sure where I'm going with this, so I'll just end with reiterating that the PS3 should look better than the comp, and I wish Sony would show this to everyone, not just us Forum/Internet junkies.

Now if only the PS3 could make my coffee in the morning...

[PUNK em 733]

This simply is the point I'd like Sony to get across.

Have you been around during the last 2 weeks? All the TGS videos? All the gaming sites TGS reports? What about PSM3 actually playing with a PS3 for a day?

I think you got some catching up to do.

[yoshaw]

Ded5850,

It's $500 with the same features for your games, stop whining about the 600 price. lol

[ded5850]

Ok, maybe that was a little much. I'm just so sorely dissappointed with how much the internet has seemed to turn against them. I'm talking specifically about the consumers out there. Seen Youtube lately? As I sad before, seems to be hard time to defend that you're a Sony fan.

And $500 is still $500. Which most people don't even acknowledge this system.

If the console was $400, none of this would even be an issue.

[PUNK em 733]

Well your getting a whole hell of alot more with a PS3. You get hat you paid for, Sony could charge $1,000, and I think they'd still be loing money on it, so imagine how much they are losing on it now.

Free online, not having to buy a $3-$5 pack of batteries for the controllers, has to be a huge moneysaver as is.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

it's like I said before. haters want to hate, lovers want to love.
baby I don't need none of the above, I want a ps3!!!
shoot shoot shoot! tilt tilt tilt!

[ded5850]

Owe I definatly realize that for what you get, it definatly seems like a bargain. Still, 500-600 is still a hell of a lot of money, and it seems just a bit out of range for the general consumer, and that seems to be the target audience that Sony has always had. All my friends had PS2's because they were affordable and had all the good games. Now, though they may still have a lot of good games, that price is going to put it far out of reach for a lot of kids (big a small) this Xmas. I'm just hoping Sony isn't getting ahead of itself here.

[PUNK em 733]

Well if you're too poor, your fucked. (pardon my french.)

If you can't afford it, you can't afford it. Wait for a price drop...(or two).

[LaLiLuLeLo]

thing is, the price of admission is relatively high, but it's only because sony is giving you everything you need right out of the box for a great experience. there's the 200 dollar hd-dvd add-on for the 360. the 1080p (1080i, cough) add-on/download(?), and so on and so forth. Sony's not charging a premium imo because once you get the ps3 add-ons aren't necessary, you've got everything you need for the next 8-10 years right out of the box.
Yeah I got this xbox 360 for 299 or 399, but I gotta buy this, this and that to make it worth a damn. That's not baller to me.

[ded5850]

Tell that to the millions who switch to the comp because Sony said "Fuck you you poor bastard".

PS3 is going to be awesome but what good is that if you can't share/relate it to any of you friends because their all running around the room with their Wii-wands in hand playing Wii tennis.

[PUNK em 733]

thing is, the price of admission is relatively high, but it's only because sony is giving you everything you need right out of the box for a great experience. there's the 200 dollar hd-dvd add-on for the 360. the 1080p (1080i, cough) add-on/download(?), and so on and so forth. Sony's not charging a premium imo because once you get the ps3 add-ons aren't necessary, you've got everything you need for the next 8-10 years right out of the box.
Yeah I got this xbox 360 for 299 or 399, but I gotta buy this, this and that to make it worth a damn. That's not baller to me.


QFT!!!:salute:

[PUNK em 733]

Tell that to the millions who switch to the comp because Sony said "Fuck you you poor bastard".

PS3 is going to be awesome but what good is that if you can't share/relate it to any of you friends because their all running around the room with their Wii-wands in hand playing Wii tennis.


The only think I will tell the "millions" is I feel so sorry for you, you poor bastid. I'm sure said "millions" will feel that way too, after seeing the PS3 in consumers hands for a yr or two.

I'll tell them to sit first, cause they'll prolly be worn out from all that jumping, flailing, and running around.

[Raijin]

Owe I definatly realize that for what you get, it definatly seems like a bargain. Still, 500-600 is still a hell of a lot of money, and it seems just a bit out of range for the general consumer, and that seems to be the target audience that Sony has always had. All my friends had PS2's because they were affordable and had all the good games. Now, though they may still have a lot of good games, that price is going to put it far out of reach for a lot of kids (big a small) this Xmas. I'm just hoping Sony isn't getting ahead of itself here.


The price wont be too much a problem in the first weeks. But after, they will have to drop the price most certainly. I would $100 price drop for the end of the year 2007.

[ded5850]

I see what you all are saying. Please don't think I'm some other fanboy declaring doom and gloom for the PS3.

@ LaLiLuLeLo2003: I know this. I just don't know if the consumers will bite. Again, maybe if it was $400 and $500, there would be no issues. You and I both know that you get a whole hell of a lot of bang for your buck with this purchase. I just don't think the general consensus see's this. They see $600 and think "Wtf? Is Sony trying to rip us off?" And look for alternatives.

Just a worried consumer, that's all.

[PUNK em 733]

If I see something that is $600, I may very well do some research into it, and see what it has to offer me, before I jump to false comclusions.

I don't look at a $600 purchase, and instantly think, I'm getting the shaft here without looking into it. If ppl are like that good, less retards online that I have to deal with.

[ded5850]

lol. I guess you all are right. Just complaining I guess as it looks like I'll be the lone PS3 gamer in the area. Oh well, more for me, right?

Also, I'm sorry for completely derailing this thread. It meant to just be a quick staement and turned into a page of back and forth banter. Again, my apologies.

[PUNK em 733]

Why alone? Get online, and we can all play.

[section]

Ohs nose, no EB Games or Gamestop employee is allowed to say anything good about PS3 or about Sony in general!said the internets :)

[ddaryl]

Once Sony starts pimpin the games, and once the buzz gets past the interent and it's legions of fanboys, ignorant gamers, and Sony haters all the negativity will be gone and Sony will charge ahead.

There was a huge amount of negativity surrounding the PS2 when it launched as well.

The only thing I'm worried about is the possibility of problems with launch PS3's... that will put a hurt on Sony more then any internet BS we've read.

[Fazares]

wow that tv is enormous....
btw...i own graw and itsnt that impressive....and motorstorm beats everything i played on my xbox360,both in the physics and gfx departments,imo....

[Applefiend]

It's like ths kids, if you can't afford $499 for a PS3, you can't afford $399 for a 360 either. You can't afford next gen, so quit whining like a little girl.

As for EB Employee, yeh! Get on the good news train!

[satriales]

I got a 360 about a month ago and while I like the games I've got, I'm going to have to sell it and get a PS3 purely because it only allow one person to play online. I've got 7 people in my house and they all want to go online for games like Test Drive Unlimited, but when you buy a 12-month xbox live subscription it only allows one profile to go online. Test Drive only allows one save per profile, so basically unless I buy 7 xbox live subscriptions or I share my saved game with 6 other people, it is not possible for everyone in my house to play online. It is a big oversight by MS and it means instead of having a 360 and a PS3, I may aswell sell the 360.

Also when you buy a 360 you also have to buy a charger for the wireless controller as they don't include one with it. Basically the PS3 is awesome value and if you add costs like xbox live and the controller charger to the 360then the PS3 works out cheaper in the long term.

[Kabbage]

thing is, the price of admission is relatively high, but it's only because sony is giving you everything you need right out of the box for a great experience. there's the 200 dollar hd-dvd add-on for the 360. the 1080p (1080i, cough) add-on/download(?), and so on and so forth. Sony's not charging a premium imo because once you get the ps3 add-ons aren't necessary, you've got everything you need for the next 8-10 years right out of the box.
Yeah I got this xbox 360 for 299 or 399, but I gotta buy this, this and that to make it worth a damn. That's not baller to me.

Dude.... you just became my favorite poster with that Chappelle reference :worthy:

[ddaryl]

I got a 360 about a month ago and while I like the games I've got, I'm going to have to sell it and get a PS3 purely because it only allow one person to play online. I've got 7 people in my house and they all want to go online for games like Test Drive Unlimited, but when you buy a 12-month xbox live subscription it only allows one profile to go online. Test Drive only allows one save per profile, so basically unless I buy 7 xbox live subscriptions or I share my saved game with 6 other people, it is not possible for everyone in my house to play online. It is a big oversight by MS and it means instead of having a 360 and a PS3, I may aswell sell the 360.




This pissed me off too, as I wanted me and my step-son to be able to use ouor Usernames online, but he had ot use mine to play online. No way in hell would I buy a 2nd subscription for this reason.

Also ever try canceling your auto-renewal when you sign up with a credit card. It didn't matter that I had 2 weeks to go, once I cancelled my auto-renewal, which is automatically applied when you sign up via credit card, I had ot forfeit any time I had left effective immediately.

That pretty much soured me on MS consoles all together.

[F089/H]

Nothing can stop me for Nov.17

[Yo MaMa84]

Yeah......scary stuff with the 360. its already $400 and you have to buy more add-ons to make it work well. And its not even backward compatible (getting a software update isn't worth it) You get a sortware update once in a blue moon, and that just adds probably another 10 games you can play from ur original xbox. If you dont have broadband...you cant go online to download it. And if you didnt get the $400 dollar system with the HDD then you have to spend $100 for a 20gb HDD for crippled backwards compatibility. Then the wireless controller is $50 and you have to keep getting battery for it. Now they are trying to add 1080p, which is just upconversion, through vga. Alot of TV's doesnt accept 1080p through vga.

So yes, the PS3 is f@#king expensive (although i see a press cut at the october meeting). But your not being forced to get it. So stop complaining. Dont get me wrong, Sony tries to milk the customer too, but atleast it's something that is futureproof. The 360 is good, but MS tries to milk the customer too much, if you dont see that...then fanboyism is just blinding you.

[edoshin]

Personally, when I go buy something, I try to get the best that I can afford. For what you pay for, PS3 is expensive, but ultimately a deal in my book. Yeah, they may be able to shave off 100.00 -150.00 by not including certain features, but what features do YOU want to give up? If I am going to spend at minimum 400.00 for a console, it hurts, but plopping down an extra 100.00 is really not going to tilt the axis of the earth, or make u go dumpster diving. The only that would REALLY PISS ME OFF is if after spending 600.00 on a console, is they abandon it 4 years down the road.

[Coded-Dude]

Now they are trying to add 1080p
Thats one thign I don't understand: With 1080p, the p stands for PROGRESSIVE.
M$ is stating their "p" stand for PARITY.
Thats only going to confused and pissed off consumers.
(like when some poor sap finds out that when M$ said their console was 1080p and its really not...)

[venomv]

Huh? That just confused me, are they not really gonna support 1080p?

[masteratt]

MS?
No.
They CAN'T support 1080p. All that "upgradable" stuff is BS. Why upgrade NOW when the PS3 is coming out? Why not gfive consumers 1080p all along if you could?!
They can't and they never will be able to unless they release an upgraded X360.

[indiekid4]

MS?
No.
They CAN'T support 1080p. All that "upgradable" stuff is BS. Why upgrade NOW when the PS3 is coming out? Why not gfive consumers 1080p all along if you could?!
They can't and they never will be able to unless they release an upgraded X360.

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if M$ does issue an 'upgraded' 360.

[Coded-Dude]

MS?
No.
They CAN'T support 1080p. All that "upgradable" stuff is BS. Why upgrade NOW when the PS3 is coming out? Why not gfive consumers 1080p all along if you could?!
They can't and they never will be able to unless they release an upgraded X360.


Basically what I understand is that they can upscale to 1080i, however they are calling it 1080p
(and sayign the p stands for parity).....

It s the dumbest most irrational marketing ploy I have ever seen.

[Red_Eyes]

Yeah......scary stuff with the 360. its already $400 and you have to buy more add-ons to make it work well. And its not even backward compatible (getting a software update isn't worth it) You get a sortware update once in a blue moon, and that just adds probably another 10 games you can play from ur original xbox. If you dont have broadband...you cant go online to download it. And if you didnt get the $400 dollar system with the HDD then you have to spend $100 for a 20gb HDD for crippled backwards compatibility. Then the wireless controller is $50 and you have to keep getting battery for it. Now they are trying to add 1080p, which is just upconversion, through vga. Alot of TV's doesnt accept 1080p through vga.

So yes, the PS3 is f@#king expensive (although i see a press cut at the october meeting). But your not being forced to get it. So stop complaining. Dont get me wrong, Sony tries to milk the customer too, but atleast it's something that is futureproof. The 360 is good, but MS tries to milk the customer too much, if you dont see that...then fanboyism is just blinding you.

I concur.

[PUNK em 733]

Basically what I understand is that they can upscale to 1080i, however they are calling it 1080p
(and sayign the p stands for parity).....

It s the dumbest most irrational marketing ploy I have ever seen.


Wait a min...is this true?! We got ppl that hate sony for their tactics! ROFLMFAO!!!

[Old_Timer!]

LoL MS never ceases to amaze me....

[qzak]

Basically what I understand is that they can upscale to 1080i, however they are calling it 1080p
(and sayign the p stands for parity).....

It s the dumbest most irrational marketing ploy I have ever seen.

In other news, Microsoft has also announced that through downloadable firmware changes, the X360 is also now Bluetooth compatible.*



* Definition of Bluetooth used herein is Microsoft standard, which may not conform to other industry standards

[OmniCloud]

MUHAHAHMUAAHAHAHA!!!! This thread is hilarious!!! I'm be gettin me a 360 when it's like $150 just to make up for any titles I missed...I'm upset that there's so little PS3's coming tho-I more than likely won't be gaming untill the second shipment...maybe:-(

[Kabbage]

Some people get so sensitive about someone saying the ps3 looks better. Those people need their reproductive organs removed and so do the people who defend them.

It is one persons opinion, deal with it and stop whining like bitches. Whining isnt going to change their opinion but, I guess if ranting like a schoolgirl makes you feel better then more power to you.

[FantasyGhost]

lol. I guess you all are right. Just complaining I guess as it looks like I'll be the lone PS3 gamer in the area. Oh well, more for me, right?
Once you invite your friends to your place and show them how awesome the PS3 is they will buy one ;) It's called mouth through mouth advertising (or someting like that) which is the best selling point a company could ever have. That's why the XBOX 360 isn't selling that well in Europe anyway, and let's not even talk about Japan.

[cliffbo]

MUHAHAHMUAAHAHAHA!!!! This thread is hilarious!!! I'm be gettin me a 360 when it's like $150 just to make up for any titles I missed...I'm upset that there's so little PS3's coming tho-I more than likely won't be gaming untill the second shipment...maybe:-(

i seriously don't give a damn about the March release date, i'm getting another PS2! (sold my other to help with finances and ended up blowing it on a forgotten weekend) i've had a chance to play Okami and FF12 and believe me, they are just amazing! With GOW just around the corner too... jeees...

[venomv]

@FantasyGhost Word of mouth....And that is the best advertising any consule ever has, and the cheapest.

[Z]

or; mouth to ear to head to pocket, as it was once called.

j/k

i've had a chance to play Okami and FF12 and believe me, they are just amazing! With GOW just around the corner too... jeees...
and don't forget Rouge Galaxy! that's Level 5's latest masterpiece. also, Yakuza 1&2 is great.

[OmniCloud]

U already know I'm getting Okami this WeEkend Cliffy!! FF12, Valkyrie Profile 2, and Guitar Hero 2 should hold me over untill I get a PS3...

[rpgamer_2k5]

Take a look at Digaea 2 as well. You'll regret missing it out once Atlus ceases production.

[Kiosko]

Overall he seems to be very pleased about the PS3 launch games. I'm also happy that none of them dropped any frames.

[cliffbo]

Thats one thign I don't understand: With 1080p, the p stands for PROGRESSIVE.
M$ is stating their "p" stand for PARITY.
Thats only going to confused and pissed off consumers.
(like when some poor sap finds out that when M$ said their console was 1080p and its really not...)

i didn't know that! thats very interesting. deliberately trying to confuse consumers this PS3 launch eh... just like calling the xbox2 the 360 so that the 3 makes it appear on a par with PS3... smudge campaigns really get my goat...

[PUNK em 733]

also, Yakuza 1&2 is great.

There is no yakuza 2.

[Domination]

I got a 360 about a month ago and while I like the games I've got, I'm going to have to sell it and get a PS3 purely because it only allow one person to play online. I've got 7 people in my house and they all want to go online for games like Test Drive Unlimited, but when you buy a 12-month xbox live subscription it only allows one profile to go online. Test Drive only allows one save per profile, so basically unless I buy 7 xbox live subscriptions or I share my saved game with 6 other people, it is not possible for everyone in my house to play online. It is a big oversight by MS and it means instead of having a 360 and a PS3, I may aswell sell the 360.

Also when you buy a 360 you also have to buy a charger for the wireless controller as they don't include one with it. Basically the PS3 is awesome value and if you add costs like xbox live and the controller charger to the 360then the PS3 works out cheaper in the long term.

Batteries aren't really an issue since I have several chargers around the house. Online, however, is a major problem. I have to agree with you here. If you are under the same IP, this should automatically be allowed.

[Z]

There is no yakuza 2.
they announced it. presuambly, it will be out for PS2. it may go to PS3 as well, but the bottom line it will be on a Sony platform. ;)

[OmniCloud]

Take a look at Digaea 2 as well. You'll regret missing it out once Atlus ceases production.I'm level 167 on my first Play Through!! Already put in 80hrs man...Check out what Level 5 is doing on PSP too-it looks even prettier:drool: Can u imagine White Knight Story??!!! Or SotC sequel??!!! or HS, GoW3, VF5, GTHD, GT5, Lair, REsistance, FF12, Okami, GoW2, Ratchet & Clank, Resistance, MotorStorm, DMC4, Ninja Gaiden, Half-life2, RidgeRacer, Warhawk, GOd Hand-ALL ON ONE FREAKIN SYSTEM:drool:!!!!!!!!!!!!"faints..."

[PUNK em 733]

I'm level 167 on my first Play Through!! Already put in 80hrs man...Check out what Level 5 is doing on PSP too-it looks even prettier:drool: Can u imagine White Knight Story??!!! Or SotC sequel??!!! or HS, GoW3, VF5, GTHD, GT5, Lair, REsistance, FF12, Okami, GoW2, Ratchet & Clank, Resistance, MotorStorm, DMC4, Ninja Gaiden, Half-life2, RidgeRacer, Warhawk, GOd Hand-ALL ON ONE FREAKIN SYSTEM:drool:!!!!!!!!!!!!"faints..."



**GOES FUCKIN' NUTS!!!! AAAAHHHHHAAAAHHHH!!!**

[Nameless]

^ Lmao!

[OmniCloud]

LOL....MUHahhhadhahahahahahaha i love these forums....this is seriously the best place to talk about games...lol

[Beenie Man]

*Jerks Off*

[Yo MaMa84]

^ Awkward....

*Tip toe backwards out of room*
:shifty:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

I was in gamestop during my break today and they have Wii and PS3 advertisements up (it's coming sorta thing).
Gonna be awesommmme.

[TEEDA]

Fom : GAF

Activision press event...NEWS FLASH: The Wii is fun and 1080p games look great #1
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I spent all day yesterday in Activision's Santa Monica offices playing Wii, PS3, 360, DS, and PSP games and had a great time. While everything is embargoed until tomorrow for the earliest stuff, I can say that the Wii is dang fun. I was able to pick it up, poke around with it, and check out everything about it. I can't believe how tidy it and sleek it is.

As for the games, stuff running in 1080p on the PS3 look incredible. Wii games look ok, but I don't think the best graphics are going to come out of Activision published games, but they are committed to 480p and 16:9 on their games. Everything on the 360 looked and played well, but it seems that the PS3 has the edge graphically across the board already (shader effects especially).

About 30 members of the media were there. IGN sent Matt Cassamasamasmsisnisna, Mark Bozon, and about 2 or 3 others. 1up had Matt Leone, but I think he was flying solo. There were guys from Joystiq, PGC, Gamespot, and a few other outlets as well.

[TheGreenElf]

Man, this EB employee needs to learn to type a formal letter...and maybe a bit of English. That said, there is also absolutely nothing new about those three games that can really be called revolutionary...just more of the same old stuff as Sony is known for...I think I'll wait before taking the opinion of a random EB employee.

[indiekid4]

*Jerks Off*

lol....wow man...you ain't very shy..lol

[indiekid4]

Man, this EB employee needs to learn to type a formal letter...and maybe a bit of English. That said, there is also absolutely nothing new about those three games that can really be called revolutionary...just more of the same old stuff as Sony is known for...I think I'll wait before taking the opinion of a random EB employee.


wait wait wait same old stuff?? eh? doesn't Nintendo always come out with the same old stuff all the freakin' time? Mario, Link, Donkey Kong, Metriod..etc etc. These are NEW games SONY is coming out with (besides MGS, FF). Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, White Knight...all NEW games) Where are Nintendo's? I look at the physics of Motorstorm and my jaw drops. Nothing has been done to it's scale. damn some people are IMPOSSIBLE to please.

[TheGreenElf]

wait wait wait same old stuff?? eh? doesn't Nintendo always come out with the same old stuff all the freakin' time? Mario, Link, Donkey Kong, Metriod..etc etc. These are NEW games SONY is coming out with (besides MGS, FF). Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, White Knight...all NEW games) Where are Nintendo's? I look at the physics of Motorstorm and my jaw drops. Nothing has been done to it's scale. damn some people are IMPOSSIBLE to please.
You completely missed what I said. The games mentioned are new series and titles yes, but they are the same old idea with a new package, really (I don't find physics to be a new idea, and the scale has nothing to do with that). Of course every company has to release some flagship titles for their guarenteed profit, but I wasn't even talking for just Nintendo...Sony loves to release sequel after sequel per system (ex. MGS2-MGS3 with how many different versions of each..., MGS for PSP, GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas, LC Stories, Jak and Daxter 1-3, Rachet and Clank 1-3, Xenosaga...although much more acceptable because it's a saga, Dynasty Warriors, Syphon Filter, Devil May Cry, etc). I'm not saying Sony is the only one, but they take it way overboard, and that's one thing they are known for.

[PUNK em 733]

You completely missed what I said. The games mentioned are new series and titles yes, but they are the same old idea with a new package, really (I don't find physics to be a new idea, and the scale has nothing to do with that). Of course every company has to release some flagship titles for their guarenteed profit, but I wasn't even talking for just Nintendo...Sony loves to release sequel after sequel per system (ex. MGS2-MGS3 with how many different versions of each..., MGS for PSP, GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas, LC Stories, Jak and Daxter 1-3, Rachet and Clank 1-3, Xenosaga...although much more acceptable because it's a saga, Dynasty Warriors, Syphon Filter, Devil May Cry, etc). I'm not saying Sony is the only one, but they take it way overboard, and that's one thing they are known for.


Nintendo is the King of doing that. How many Mario games are there? How many Zelda?

[Domination]

You completely missed what I said. The games mentioned are new series and titles yes, but they are the same old idea with a new package, really (I don't find physics to be a new idea, and the scale has nothing to do with that). Of course every company has to release some flagship titles for their guarenteed profit, but I wasn't even talking for just Nintendo...Sony loves to release sequel after sequel per system (ex. MGS2-MGS3 with how many different versions of each..., MGS for PSP, GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas, LC Stories, Jak and Daxter 1-3, Rachet and Clank 1-3, Xenosaga...although much more acceptable because it's a saga, Dynasty Warriors, Syphon Filter, Devil May Cry, etc). I'm not saying Sony is the only one, but they take it way overboard, and that's one thing they are known for.

Isn't originality one of the advantges to having a successful launch and lifecycle? If a franchise does well, does that mean it should be scrapped then after? If that's the case, then where does this put Mario? I mean, not only does he have his own franchise, but he seems to appear in just about every other as well, including those like Metal Gear:Twin Snakes. :unsure: Would it be fair to ridicule this guy because of a successful series? If not, then why others which are most obviously Sony related?

Furthermore, I didn't know SCE was a second and third party developer.

I was just looking at some of the titles you mentioned, but a lot of them aren't really Sony related. So I'm baffled as to how some of those came to be first party all of a sudden. Mind explaining this?

Last and final, how many of those titles you mentioned originated from the PS1 while emerging onto the PS2 and then proceeding to the PS3?

[SevenDesigns]

Man, this EB employee needs to learn to type a formal letter...and maybe a bit of English. That said, there is also absolutely nothing new about those three games that can really be called revolutionary...just more of the same old stuff as Sony is known for...I think I'll wait before taking the opinion of a random EB employee.

Ahhh, lol. I never expected this from someone who supports Nintendo's consoles more. Everything you just said was my exact arguement against Nintendo fans on another message board.

Revolutionary? Oh snapperzzzzz....

*tries not to sound fanboyish because I respect Nintendo, and i'll own a Wii*

[OmniCloud]

^lol..

[Raijin]

You completely missed what I said. The games mentioned are new series and titles yes, but they are the same old idea with a new package, really (I don't find physics to be a new idea, and the scale has nothing to do with that). Of course every company has to release some flagship titles for their guarenteed profit, but I wasn't even talking for just Nintendo...Sony loves to release sequel after sequel per system (ex. MGS2-MGS3 with how many different versions of each..., MGS for PSP, GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas, LC Stories, Jak and Daxter 1-3, Rachet and Clank 1-3, Xenosaga...although much more acceptable because it's a saga, Dynasty Warriors, Syphon Filter, Devil May Cry, etc). I'm not saying Sony is the only one, but they take it way overboard, and that's one thing they are known for.

Your point is completely... lol to be polite, irrelevent, to say the least. Also, I hope you do realize that all these games arent done by Sony, right?

I'm not saying Sony is the only one, but they take it way overboard, and that's one thing they are known for.

Nintendo isnt known to do that, obviously... ;)

[edoshin]

You completely missed what I said. The games mentioned are new series and titles yes, but they are the same old idea with a new package, really (I don't find physics to be a new idea, and the scale has nothing to do with that). Of course every company has to release some flagship titles for their guarenteed profit, but I wasn't even talking for just Nintendo...Sony loves to release sequel after sequel per system (ex. MGS2-MGS3 with how many different versions of each..., MGS for PSP, GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas, LC Stories, Jak and Daxter 1-3, Rachet and Clank 1-3, Xenosaga...although much more acceptable because it's a saga, Dynasty Warriors, Syphon Filter, Devil May Cry, etc). I'm not saying Sony is the only one, but they take it way overboard, and that's one thing they are known for.

And how is Sony alone guilty of making too many sequels? Nintendo and MS, and every dev goes down the same route. The movie industry does it, authors do it, and even non-entertainment industries do it. In fact, most of those IPs did not exist before PS2 was born .. and this was after a dominating success with PSOne, so how is that going overboard? Jak, Ratchet, Sly, Dante, Kratos, etc.. And let's not forget the ICOs and Katamaris. These are all brand new to the console. Cant say the same for Nintendo .. they always roll out the same characters and even put them in tennis games and DDR games even. And its guarantee we'll see Halos for as long as MS is in the business. Next gen is seeing the birth of Heavenly Sword and Resistance and whatever character Naughty Dog is coming out with. In any case, there's nothing wrong with sequels. I look forward to a next gen Ratchet and Jak.

[Z]

I don't care how many sequels a game could have. it could be a brand new game or the 100th sequel. as long as the games are good, then I say Bring It On!
also, some franchices are leaping over their predecessors. look at PoP, MGS, ZoE, etc. these games make their previous ones look bad.
that isn't to mention franchises that totally give you a whole new experience in every single element in the game like FFs and DQs.

[kaphwan]

You completely missed what I said. The games mentioned are new series and titles yes, but they are the same old idea with a new package, really (I don't find physics to be a new idea, and the scale has nothing to do with that). Of course every company has to release some flagship titles for their guarenteed profit, but I wasn't even talking for just Nintendo...Sony loves to release sequel after sequel per system (ex. MGS2-MGS3 with how many different versions of each..., MGS for PSP, GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas, LC Stories, Jak and Daxter 1-3, Rachet and Clank 1-3, Xenosaga...although much more acceptable because it's a saga, Dynasty Warriors, Syphon Filter, Devil May Cry, etc). I'm not saying Sony is the only one, but they take it way overboard, and that's one thing they are known for.

You have a point. Everyone is just itching to play Mario Table Tennis.

You can always trust Nintendo to come up with a new way to play the same games.

How did the Powerglove go, again?

[Dradien]

You completely missed what I said. The games mentioned are new series and titles yes, but they are the same old idea with a new package, really (I don't find physics to be a new idea, and the scale has nothing to do with that). Of course every company has to release some flagship titles for their guarenteed profit, but I wasn't even talking for just Nintendo...Sony loves to release sequel after sequel per system (ex. MGS2-MGS3 with how many different versions of each..., MGS for PSP, GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas, LC Stories, Jak and Daxter 1-3, Rachet and Clank 1-3, Xenosaga...although much more acceptable because it's a saga, Dynasty Warriors, Syphon Filter, Devil May Cry, etc). I'm not saying Sony is the only one, but they take it way overboard, and that's one thing they are known for.


Hello Kettle? Yea, the pot's calling.

[indiekid4]

You completely missed what I said. The games mentioned are new series and titles yes, but they are the same old idea with a new package, really (I don't find physics to be a new idea, and the scale has nothing to do with that). Of course every company has to release some flagship titles for their guarenteed profit, but I wasn't even talking for just Nintendo...Sony loves to release sequel after sequel per system (ex. MGS2-MGS3 with how many different versions of each..., MGS for PSP, GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas, LC Stories, Jak and Daxter 1-3, Rachet and Clank 1-3, Xenosaga...although much more acceptable because it's a saga, Dynasty Warriors, Syphon Filter, Devil May Cry, etc). I'm not saying Sony is the only one, but they take it way overboard, and that's one thing they are known for.


lol...it seems that everyone beat me to the response to your post. Oh well. But, what they say is pretty much what I was going to say back at you. so yah, I won't waste my time in a response cause it's pretty obvious that Nintendo are the KINGS/QUEENS of milking a franchise (Mario).

[TheGreenElf]

I had said Nintendo, and Sony milk their franchises. I'm just saying this employee is making these old games sound like something never seen before...it wasn't initially a shot at Sony at all, but when you took it as that, everything else went in that direction. Jesus...let me restate myself for the third time. NOTHING IS WRONG WITH SEQUELS. I'm just saying Sony is especially well known for being full of sequels. You obviously haven't been on the Nintendo section if you think I don't see Nintendo doing the same stuff often...as my post the other day was something along the lines of "Yeah, Zeep, Nintendo would never milk a franchise." (<Sarcasm of course) Anyways, the other thing I was saying was that, yeah, Nintendo does make a lot of sequels, but look at it...Not near as many per system...you don't see a ton of actual Mario adventures per console (though a lot of other crap, golf, tennis, etc), few Zelda's (about 2 per console), and few Metroid games (one per console, gamecube had 2, n64 had 0). That's the point I was trying to make. I own a PS2, will own an Xbox 360 and a Wii, so no, I don't think that's a fanboy. Just stating the facts, nothing to cry about.

[adam2407]

I had said Nintendo, and Sony milk their franchises. I'm just saying this employee is making these old games sound like something never seen before...

believe me, if you see those game with your very own eyes running in 40" Bravia HD monitor, you'll be shocked. I,ve seen it (and played it) at TGS. VERY AWESOME!! ^^

[kaphwan]

*post number 95, this is already going to be quoted in full like sixteen times*

Misunderstanding on my part. I think we were in agreement all along. Have this rep as my apology.

[karibu]

Meh, I rather play new games with old controller than old games with new controller.

Oh my, PS3 delivers both. Daaaaamn ;D

[Z]

you don't see a ton of actual Mario adventures per console (though a lot of other crap, golf, tennis, etc), few Zelda's (about 2 per console), and few Metroid games (one per console, gamecube had 2, n64 had 0). That's the point I was trying to make.
and thats...good? wow.
I also want to see some examples of Sony 'milking' their franchises. or do you just slap that to any game coming out with a number next to its title?
I own a PS2, will own an Xbox 360 and a Wii, so no, I don't think that's a fanboy. Just stating the facts, nothing to cry about.
owning whatever system/s is irrelivent. you can be a fanboy without owning any systems or with owning everything from Atari to Blue Gene.
just saying that the "I am not a fanboy because I will buy Smack" does not stand.

[Dradien]

I had said Nintendo, and Sony milk their franchises. I'm just saying this employee is making these old games sound like something never seen before...it wasn't initially a shot at Sony at all, but when you took it as that, everything else went in that direction. Jesus...let me restate myself for the third time. NOTHING IS WRONG WITH SEQUELS. I'm just saying Sony is especially well known for being full of sequels. You obviously haven't been on the Nintendo section if you think I don't see Nintendo doing the same stuff often...as my post the other day was something along the lines of "Yeah, Zeep, Nintendo would never milk a franchise." (<Sarcasm of course) Anyways, the other thing I was saying was that, yeah, Nintendo does make a lot of sequels, but look at it...Not near as many per system...you don't see a ton of actual Mario adventures per console (though a lot of other crap, golf, tennis, etc), few Zelda's (about 2 per console), and few Metroid games (one per console, gamecube had 2, n64 had 0). That's the point I was trying to make. I own a PS2, will own an Xbox 360 and a Wii, so no, I don't think that's a fanboy. Just stating the facts, nothing to cry about.

Resistance, Motorstorm, HS, Afrika(SP?), among the others I cannot recall are totally new. The scope of the games, the enviroments, the physcis, the interactivity....Nothing, on this scale, has been seen before. I don't see how you're saying it has all been seen before. Some of the games comming to the PS3 are IPs that are established, but like I said above, go far and beyond what we have already. All the millions of Marios and Zeldas and Metriods are the same, just a little feature here and there.

Do me a favor...When the PS3 comes out, play Motorstorm, and then play a dirt racing game on PS2.

Then come and tell me it's the 'same'.

[LiquidEagle]

Sony loves to release sequel after sequel per system (ex. MGS2-MGS3 with how many different versions of each..., MGS for PSP, GTA3, Vice City, San Andreas, LC Stories, Jak and Daxter 1-3, Rachet and Clank 1-3, Xenosaga...although much more acceptable because it's a saga, Dynasty Warriors, Syphon Filter, Devil May Cry, etc)

The only ones that Sony releases on there are Jak & Daxter and Ratchet & Clank. Jak has 3 entries, which is perfectly acceptable, no? Is that really overboard while 2 is still reasonable? Ratchet & Clank, with 4, has the most, but is also a damn fine game. I can't think of any "platformer" in recent memory that's gotten such amazing reviews, not to mention a perfect 10 from Game Informer (no small feat). Anybody who really gets to know Insomniac as a developer and the series really grows to love their games and what Insomniac represents.

I mainly got in this conversation because you mentioned MGS though... Firstly Konami puts those out, and there is a 3-year gap in between each MGS. Substance & Subsistence, to-date the only extra additions, come out during the time between, and not only add more than any bonus pack, but they do it for a lower price too. Take a look at Subsistence and tell me that isn't a helluva deal :-D. Grand Theft Auto is its own thing, and the "Stories" series has obviously gained plenty of popularity on PSP, and I like how they're going back through their past cities and creating a new story in a different time with them, and it's been years since we got a GTA on a home console...

Syphon Filter? There was 1 game for it on PS2. There are 3 Devil May Cry games, which is also acceptable. They're varied enough (even in terms of quality :laugh:) that I've never heard anybody complain that DMC is flooding the market or anything...

How about Ico? Shadow of the Colossus? God of War? The Mark of Kri?? Jet Li's Rise to Honor, The Getaway, Primal, Ghosthunter, and more? Consumers had to beg to get Sony to even do a sequel (in spirit) to Ico, and we got Shadow of the Colossus, one of the most beautiful and artistically endowed games of the generation, if not forever. God of War is pretty much a no-brainer for a sequel, but they're taking their time with them and there will only be 2 on the PS2. Mark of Kri was loved by many but still didn't perform up to snuff at retail (sadly... I really liked the game and wanted a sequel), and gamers had to push for a sequel. And regarding Ape Escape, who doesn't want more Ape Escape!?!? :-p

Nintendo doesn't make direct sequels as much as they draw from the same franchises. Mario's obviously the big one, Pokemon, and there are Star Fox games here & there, technically there will be 3 Zeldas on Gamecube (4 Swords counts :) ) and what-not. Also noteworthy, however, is that Nintendo makes far fewer games than SCE puts out. Compare Sony's (http://games.ign.com/objects/025/025653.html) list to Nintendo's (http://games.ign.com/objects/025/025047.html) list. Unfortunately IGN includes demo discs in their lists so you kinda have to wade through that crap, but you get the idea :). Proportionally, Nintendo releases just as many (probably more) games from common franchises than Sony does. I'm not saying that makes Nintendo bad, but it does mean they have no place in attacking the originality of others. Likewise Nintendo fans (which includes me) don't really have much room to say other devs put out just sequel after sequel when so many games we love from Nintendo (if not all of them for some people) come from common franchises that have been around for quite awhile.

That's how I see it :)

[qzak]

owning whatever system/s is irrelivent. you can be a fanboy without owning any systems or with owning everything from Atari to Blue Gene.
just saying that the "I am not a fanboy because I will buy Smack" does not stand.

Not to mention the fact that he somehow didn't include his sig. on the post where he claims not to be a fanboy. What was that sig again? :wtf:


This bit Just stating the facts, nothing to cry about. doesn't help with the credibility gap either.

[Z]

you can pritty much see the point with the first games on PS3 and Rev. PS3 is getting all brand new Sony games, while Rev is getting, surprise, a Mario game, Zelda, and what ever Pokemon's color this time- like with every single new Ninty product to date.

also, non has the diversity of Sony's games. they seriously challenge of not take the crown in all the genre the enter. and their 2nd party games do not need any introduction. why else you think their consoles are by far, the leaders?

PS. this is another example of Ninty fans deraling threads...

[Z]

Not to mention the fact that he somehow didn't include his sig. on the post where he claims not to be a fanboy. What was that sig again? :wtf:


This bit doesn't help with the credibility gap either.
what can you do...:shrug:

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Blind Nintendo fanboy: Sony just puts out a bunch of sequels and unoriginal content all the time! MAN I can't wait to buy the new zelda/mario/donkey kong/metroid!


stfu.


edit: this has nothing to do with the quality of the games from either company, both make plenty of great games, (even though nintendos games come out at a rate of 1 or 2 great games a year, which just isn't good enough for me) and to just sit there and say they don't because your personal tastes differ is downright foolish. But to argue that one company over the other, especially sony who, being the younger gaming division is going to be more original by proxy (they changed the f***ing way people perceive video games in the first place, do you think MS would have entered the market if sony hadn't? the history of the original xbox's conception suggest otherwise) is just plain ignorant.


that kills me man. Sony is the worst at rehashing titles (just...not true) while all the nintendo fanboys say in the same breath, "I can't wait for miyamoto's next great game!" Just...ass backwards thinking.Not gonna go into that anymore.

[Yo MaMa84]

Cry cry, sniffles sniffles.......
The only company that i see that doesnt milk their francise as much as the other companies is MS. But this is their second generation and their first gen console wasnt even in for 4 year straight, so they get BOOOOO's too.

Nintendo with their Million variations of Mario, Zelda, Pokemon (they'll soon run out of colours) etc.....then, they put them all in 1 game, Smash Bros, (which is a great game), baseball, tennis, golf, orgies, etc....

Sony as MGS, GT, Ratchet and Clank, Jak, GTA etc

Microsoft doesnt have as much, but as my reason that i stated above. They mostly have bought out ports and rehashes.

So they all do the same thing......Sony is the only 1 with some of the greatest games in all genre of gaming.

rant over...

[Domination]

The only ones that Sony releases on there are Jak & Daxter and Ratchet & Clank. Jak has 3 entries, which is perfectly acceptable, no? Is that really overboard while 2 is still reasonable? Ratchet & Clank, with 4, has the most, but is also a damn fine game. I can't think of any "platformer" in recent memory that's gotten such amazing reviews, not to mention a perfect 10 from Game Informer (no small feat). Anybody who really gets to know Insomniac as a developer and the series really grows to love their games and what Insomniac represents.

I mainly got in this conversation because you mentioned MGS though... Firstly Konami puts those out, and there is a 3-year gap in between each MGS. Substance & Subsistence, to-date the only extra additions, come out during the time between, and not only add more than any bonus pack, but they do it for a lower price too. Take a look at Subsistence and tell me that isn't a helluva deal :-D. Grand Theft Auto is its own thing, and the "Stories" series has obviously gained plenty of popularity on PSP, and I like how they're going back through their past cities and creating a new story in a different time with them, and it's been years since we got a GTA on a home console...

Syphon Filter? There was 1 game for it on PS2. There are 3 Devil May Cry games, which is also acceptable. They're varied enough (even in terms of quality :laugh:) that I've never heard anybody complain that DMC is flooding the market or anything...

How about Ico? Shadow of the Colossus? God of War? The Mark of Kri?? Jet Li's Rise to Honor, The Getaway, Primal, Ghosthunter, and more? Consumers had to beg to get Sony to even do a sequel (in spirit) to Ico, and we got Shadow of the Colossus, one of the most beautiful and artistically endowed games of the generation, if not forever. God of War is pretty much a no-brainer for a sequel, but they're taking their time with them and there will only be 2 on the PS2. Mark of Kri was loved by many but still didn't perform up to snuff at retail (sadly... I really liked the game and wanted a sequel), and gamers had to push for a sequel. And regarding Ape Escape, who doesn't want more Ape Escape!?!? :-p

Nintendo doesn't make direct sequels as much as they draw from the same franchises. Mario's obviously the big one, Pokemon, and there are Star Fox games here & there, technically there will be 3 Zeldas on Gamecube (4 Swords counts :) ) and what-not. Also noteworthy, however, is that Nintendo makes far fewer games than SCE puts out. Compare Sony's (http://games.ign.com/objects/025/025653.html) list to Nintendo's (http://games.ign.com/objects/025/025047.html) list. Unfortunately IGN includes demo discs in their lists so you kinda have to wade through that crap, but you get the idea :). Proportionally, Nintendo releases just as many (probably more) games from common franchises than Sony does. I'm not saying that makes Nintendo bad, but it does mean they have no place in attacking the originality of others. Likewise Nintendo fans (which includes me) don't really have much room to say other devs put out just sequel after sequel when so many games we love from Nintendo (if not all of them for some people) come from common franchises that have been around for quite awhile.

That's how I see it :)


I didn't know Sony did Rise to Honor. No wonder it was so visually impressive.

[OmniCloud]

^Yeah but the controls were clunky-and I think Mark of Kri did have a sequel with his sister but it was basically more of the same and got decent reviews. The whole Sony vs. Nintendo thing is pretty dead. Each company flexes there muscles in different areas-that's why they sell systems and software. I'm a bit more touchy about M$ for many reasons-but even there strategy seems to be paying off-at least in U.S

[chrismt]

Agreed, Nintendo and Sony cater to different types of audiences first party, and they both have lots of franchises....and with Microsoft, they are trying to be a Sony when Sony is right there in front of them so that's most likely the biggest reason the Xbox failed, besides the massive loss on hardware. 360 is selling well but not exceptionally because people are waiting for the PS3 and Wii to hit.

As to the EB employee...wish I could've played too:) Nostradamus strikes again!

[Z]

^Yeah but the controls were clunky
even so, trying a new control scheme was good enough and interesting enough for me to excuse any shortcommings. :)

[Z]

^Yeah but the controls were clunky
even so, trying a new control scheme was good enough and interesting enough for me to excuse any shortcommings. :)

[Haris]

One more thing....



Same guy on the second post of the thread.


Sweet. Bluetooth headsets are getting cheaper and they're tiny, and look a lot cooler in your ear than Xbox headsets do all up on your head.

[OmniCloud]

even so, trying a new control scheme was good enough and interesting enough for me to excuse any shortcommings. :)Yeah I think they should go back and do a sequel-dual analog control schemes are always crazy-remember Ape Escape? This is one of the dual shock's (er..6axix) greatest strenghts-having the two analogs right next to each other. I hope more games take advantage of it instead of just using it for camera.

[msantti]

Regarding Nintendo, I wonder how good and popular Mario Tennis or Golf, or whatever would be if it did not contain franchise characters.

Would they sell on its own merit?

[Z]

Sweet. Bluetooth headsets are getting cheaper and they're tiny, and look a lot cooler in your ear than Xbox headsets do all up on your head.
yup. have you seen the X2's wireless headset? I should call it ear plug since it is so small and good looking. rapping your head with wires and 12 unch hard plastic is so current gen. hehe.

[jaxmkii]

I got a 360 about a month ago and while I like the games I've got, I'm going to have to sell it and get a PS3 purely because it only allow one person to play online. I've got 7 people in my house and they all want to go online for games like Test Drive Unlimited, but when you buy a 12-month xbox live subscription it only allows one profile to go online. Test Drive only allows one save per profile, so basically unless I buy 7 xbox live subscriptions or I share my saved game with 6 other people, it is not possible for everyone in my house to play online. It is a big oversight by MS and it means instead of having a 360 and a PS3, I may aswell sell the 360.

Also when you buy a 360 you also have to buy a charger for the wireless controller as they don't include one with it. Basically the PS3 is awesome value and if you add costs like xbox live and the controller charger to the 360then the PS3 works out cheaper in the long term.:fuckedup:

[Rizon]

The bluetooth sounds very sexy. Looks like i will end up buying a bluetooth headset after all.

I forgot who is was that said they would be a loner ps3 gamer in their area. I will be as well, I'm the only one that has demanded pre-order at my local games shop. (march 2007 though). I will be online whenever i play. A couple of my mates have bought the 360. Its a nice console, Dead Rising is really cool and i enjoy playing it whenever i go round to theirs. They still rip the piss out of me for wanting a ps3.
"ohhh playstation online is shite" Its free, you expected sony to put millions apon millions to make the service super wonderful?

Pricewise - I'm saying that personally i am getting a better deal with the ps3.

Games - What is the problem with sequels? Companys are allowed to do them because they are popular games. Mario is superb. They're not really Milking them either to be honest. They're just making games that the public wants abd produces them (usually) to the quality of the game in the series before, or better.
New games, im happy with new games to try. Hell, i randomly picked up Killzone last year and loved it. And hopefully the sequel will be even better.

[jaxmkii]

Do me a favor...When the PS3 comes out, play Motorstorm, and then play a dirt racing game on PS2.

Flatout was awsome... i cant imagine how bitchen Motorstorm will be

[Goki]

:fuckedup:

I believe there is a guest option when playing online on 360....

[LiquidEagle]

Going back to the EB/Gamestop conference, I just talked to my manager who was there yesterday. I asked him what news he got and he said they barely got jack s**t :'(

He did get tons of free games from Microsoft & Nintendo though, :laugh: Sony apparently didn't have any presence that he saw. I told him an EB Employee said he played the PS3, and my manager just replied, "Yeah pretty much everybody was drunk there, he probably imagined it" :laugh:

Still no info on PS3 & Wii preorders, though it seems Gamestop has already announced they aren't doing preorders... oh well :(

[TheGreenElf]

The only ones that Sony releases on there are Jak & Daxter and Ratchet & Clank. Jak has 3 entries, which is perfectly acceptable, no? Is that really overboard while 2 is still reasonable? Ratchet & Clank, with 4, has the most, but is also a damn fine game. I can't think of any "platformer" in recent memory that's gotten such amazing reviews, not to mention a perfect 10 from Game Informer (no small feat). Anybody who really gets to know Insomniac as a developer and the series really grows to love their games and what Insomniac represents.

I mainly got in this conversation because you mentioned MGS though... Firstly Konami puts those out, and there is a 3-year gap in between each MGS. Substance & Subsistence, to-date the only extra additions, come out during the time between, and not only add more than any bonus pack, but they do it for a lower price too. Take a look at Subsistence and tell me that isn't a helluva deal :-D. Grand Theft Auto is its own thing, and the "Stories" series has obviously gained plenty of popularity on PSP, and I like how they're going back through their past cities and creating a new story in a different time with them, and it's been years since we got a GTA on a home console...

Syphon Filter? There was 1 game for it on PS2. There are 3 Devil May Cry games, which is also acceptable. They're varied enough (even in terms of quality :laugh:) that I've never heard anybody complain that DMC is flooding the market or anything...

How about Ico? Shadow of the Colossus? God of War? The Mark of Kri?? Jet Li's Rise to Honor, The Getaway, Primal, Ghosthunter, and more? Consumers had to beg to get Sony to even do a sequel (in spirit) to Ico, and we got Shadow of the Colossus, one of the most beautiful and artistically endowed games of the generation, if not forever. God of War is pretty much a no-brainer for a sequel, but they're taking their time with them and there will only be 2 on the PS2. Mark of Kri was loved by many but still didn't perform up to snuff at retail (sadly... I really liked the game and wanted a sequel), and gamers had to push for a sequel. And regarding Ape Escape, who doesn't want more Ape Escape!?!? :-p

Nintendo doesn't make direct sequels as much as they draw from the same franchises. Mario's obviously the big one, Pokemon, and there are Star Fox games here & there, technically there will be 3 Zeldas on Gamecube (4 Swords counts :) ) and what-not. Also noteworthy, however, is that Nintendo makes far fewer games than SCE puts out. Compare Sony's (http://games.ign.com/objects/025/025653.html) list to Nintendo's (http://games.ign.com/objects/025/025047.html) list. Unfortunately IGN includes demo discs in their lists so you kinda have to wade through that crap, but you get the idea :). Proportionally, Nintendo releases just as many (probably more) games from common franchises than Sony does. I'm not saying that makes Nintendo bad, but it does mean they have no place in attacking the originality of others. Likewise Nintendo fans (which includes me) don't really have much room to say other devs put out just sequel after sequel when so many games we love from Nintendo (if not all of them for some people) come from common franchises that have been around for quite awhile.

That's how I see it :)I don't know what I was thinking when I put Syphon Filter in there...I can't think of the right title...sorry. I just mean games for Sony's console, not necesarily made by Sony. I just think we see a lot of sequels for them, and maybe it's because Nintendo currently lacks the support of the developers, but I haven't yet said Nintendo is innocent of this...I'm wondering how these games are so new? I'm not saying they will be bad by any means...but what will make them stand apart when the graphical gap closes and much better looking games come out? That is an honest question, not a bash or anything.

Everyone get's so up in arms, but I'm not bashing any one company or console, so calm down...
Not to mention the fact that he somehow didn't include his sig. on the post where he claims not to be a fanboy. What was that sig again? :wtf:


This bit doesn't help with the credibility gap either.
Never claimed I'm not a bigger fan of Nintendo's...but I will also own and love an Xbox 360, and If I didn't include my sig, it wasn't on purpose...that would be pathetic, because if you've noticed, my sig shows up when it wants to. More often than not, but sometimes it just doesn't and I'm not sure either. Myself saying not to get too defensive, because I'm not slamming your console doesn't help credibility? I'm sorry, but that wasn't my aim.

Blind Nintendo fanboy: Sony just puts out a bunch of sequels and unoriginal content all the time! MAN I can't wait to buy the new zelda/mario/donkey kong/metroid!


stfu.


edit: this has nothing to do with the quality of the games from either company, both make plenty of great games, (even though nintendos games come out at a rate of 1 or 2 great games a year, which just isn't good enough for me) and to just sit there and say they don't because your personal tastes differ is downright foolish. But to argue that one company over the other, especially sony who, being the younger gaming division is going to be more original by proxy (they changed the f***ing way people perceive video games in the first place, do you think MS would have entered the market if sony hadn't? the history of the original xbox's conception suggest otherwise) is just plain ignorant.


that kills me man. Sony is the worst at rehashing titles (just...not true) while all the nintendo fanboys say in the same breath, "I can't wait for miyamoto's next great game!" Just...ass backwards thinking.Not gonna go into that anymore. lol...completely ignoring everything else I've said...I shouldn't even bother with this one but oh well...it's just funny. Kinda like he hasn't read any of my posts other than the first one...I'm not claiming Sony is the only one to rehash titles. I said Nintendo is just as bad. I just wasn't overly impressed with these PS3 launch titles. I know they look great, but I've been playing 360 for over a year, so I'm not quite as impressed as somebody who's mostly been playing on the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube for the last year. Every company has great games they need to rehash to stay afloat...which I've stated all too many times this thread. It wasn't an attack on Sony from a Nintendo fanboy. Just a hope for some completely new titles to come along, and that is rare considering most possibilites have been exhausted, but it's always great when they do. Again...not an attack on any one company, so no need to be so hostile.

Main reason I try not to post in the Sony forum...whether it's something negative or not, it's always taken that way.

[VG Aficionado]

Main reason I try not to post in the Sony forum...whether it's something negative or not, it's always taken that way.I'm afraid you have a very limited and skewed point of view regarding this board.

[Viano]

something like this happens once a while loL

[TheGreenElf]

I'm afraid you have a very limited and skewed point of view regarding this board.People here are a bit too defensive (the forums in general I mean), so most of the time I just stick with one section, otherwise everyone thinks your attacking them. Not the case but as I said, I wished all companies put more into their launch than they do...

[VG Aficionado]

People here are a bit too defensive (the forums in general I mean), so most of the time I just stick with one section, otherwise everyone thinks your attacking them. Not the case but as I said, I wished all companies put more into their launch than they do...Honestly, your post about Sony loving to release sequels was quite ridiculous, and I don't think it's surprising you've been considered a Nintendo fanboy. Anyway, by reading your posts again, I think your opinions are not very consistent and you seem to think most of the time you're going to be attacked simply because of entitling to them, so don't be surprised if people who don't know you aren't confortable with you. I confess I feel this way towards you.

[Dradien]

People here are a bit too defensive (the forums in general I mean), so most of the time I just stick with one section, otherwise everyone thinks your attacking them. Not the case but as I said, I wished all companies put more into their launch than they do...

The reason everyone got 'up in arms' is because your post sounded very Anti-Sony, and blamed them for typically something Ninty does.

[Coded-Dude]

*de-railed*

[yoshaw]

People here are a bit too defensive (the forums in general I mean), so most of the time I just stick with one section, otherwise everyone thinks your attacking them. Not the case but as I said, I wished all companies put more into their launch than they do...

If you had put as much thought in your words then as you're doing it now, things could had turned out differently for you. I'm sure you could have avoided this situation if you'd chosen your words carefully prior to claiming Sony's software as repetitive. Blaming others in here wouldn't really help the situation anymore than make it worse.

I take you'll be doing that being careful with your words thing from here on? If your intentions are clean on a slate about PS3, I don't see a reason for you to be affected by whatever people think. [/offtopic]

*de-railed*

>.<

[edoshin]

Hell I love sequels and long as there are new IPs in the mix. I'm sure the 360 fans are waiting anxiously for the next Halo and Ninja Gaiden. If it seems like Sony has a lot of sequels, its just because its has the largest userbase by a huge margin, and there are a much greater diversity of games from a larger number of developers for a wider audience. Sony has built up another library of heavy hitters for the next gen. And while those games are in development, we can look forward to new games like Heavenly Sword, Lair, Resistance, Motorstorm and Lair .. and whatever Afrika and that new Naughty Dog game turns out to be. That diversity of games is crucial because I may not care about another installment of GTA, but I certainly do want another Sly Cooper.

Nintendo had really turned me off last gen because I was disappointed with Mario Sunshine .. and outside of Zelda, they had nothing to fill the gap for me. Their fire off their heavy hitters every now and then, but that's about it. Their only saving grace as far as I'm concerned is their new controller .. which may be interesting enough that I'll go with their console one more time. But in reality, Sony has replaced Nintendo as the "family" console with games like Eyetoy, Guitar Hero, and Sly Cooper .. just to name a few.

[qzak]

Everyone get's so up in arms, but I'm not bashing any one company or console, so calm down...
Ah, but you started out bashing just one, then backpedaled later. Are you somehow surprised at the response?

Never claimed I'm not a bigger fan of Nintendo's...but I will also own and love an Xbox 360, and If I didn't include my sig, it wasn't on purpose...that would be pathetic, because if you've noticed, my sig shows up when it wants to. More often than not, but sometimes it just doesn't and I'm not sure either. Myself saying not to get too defensive, because I'm not slamming your console doesn't help credibility? I'm sorry, but that wasn't my aim.
I can give you the benefit of the doubt on the sig. But what I quoted from you was you saying "Just stating the facts, nothing to cry about." I am new to this forum, but not to the Internet, and anytime I see that, I begin to seriously question what the poster's motives are. Let's not forget how this all began:
Man, this EB employee needs to learn to type a formal letter...and maybe a bit of English. That said, there is also absolutely nothing new about those three games that can really be called revolutionary...just more of the same old stuff as Sony is known for...I think I'll wait before taking the opinion of a random EB employee.
It's all opinion. And the "facts" you posted later to back it up have been shown to be at best misleading. Everything you've done since is backpedaling and saying we didn't understand. I think VG's post is 100% on, and the overall reaction to your posts here has been reasonable: you got called onto the carpet for shoveling useless crap onto what had been a very positive firsthand account.

Ah, the system works.

[TheGreenElf]

Hell I love sequels and long as there are new IPs in the mix. I'm sure the 360 fans are waiting anxiously for the next Halo and Ninja Gaiden. If it seems like Sony has a lot of sequels, its just because its has the largest userbase by a huge margin, and there are a much greater diversity of games from a larger number of developers for a wider audience. Sony has built up another library of heavy hitters for the next gen. And while those games are in development, we can look forward to new games like Heavenly Sword, Lair, Resistance, Motorstorm and Lair .. and whatever Afrika and that new Naughty Dog game turns out to be. That diversity of games is crucial because I may not care about another installment of GTA, but I certainly do want another Sly Cooper.

Nintendo had really turned me off last gen because I was disappointed with Mario Sunshine .. and outside of Zelda, they had nothing to fill the gap for me. Their fire off their heavy hitters every now and then, but that's about it. Their only saving grace as far as I'm concerned is their new controller .. which may be interesting enough that I'll go with their console one more time. But in reality, Sony has replaced Nintendo as the "family" console with games like Eyetoy, Guitar Hero, and Sly Cooper .. just to name a few.Exactly, people ignore the fact that I have played or own most every hugely popular PS2 franchise that I've named before (not a GTA fan at all, personally, but MGS is great, Ratchet and Clank is good, loved Jak and Daxter) and nothing is wrong with sequels. I also agree Mario Sunshine wasn't near as good as I expected and hoped for...not to mention I absolutely loved Sly Cooper and Guitar Hero (didn't care for EyeToy but oh well...). People only read the most negative bit of my posts, or create some when there isn't any.

[OmniCloud]

^Don't worry bout it man..just keep posting...that's all there is too really. I think GC well-sucked..but Wii will bring Ninty back into the console war more along the lines of N64. The software (because of the controller) will only be available on the Wii. The PS3 seems to be offering everything the PS2 did-now everything's Bigger, Better, Prettier, and more complex with a nice addition to gameplay through there little controller while not as drastic as Wii. The only problem with this-where does that leave 360 after Halo3:huh: