Disney Firmly Backing Blu-ray

[Jasonps3]

Disney Firmly Backing Blu-ray (08:11 PM EDT): The folks at Ultimate Disney managed to get an early screener of the upcoming Cars DVD release and there was a new Blu-ray promotional video there. Now, we fully understand that this is not a live action/Disney review site, but it's important to understand how the format war is playing out as it will affect the anime field in the long run. The link above has several shots from the DVD itself and a number from the Blu-ray promotional video as well. With the caveat of them saying "Coming from Disney" and not "Coming soon from Disney," they have their marketing push by indicating that such titles as Little Mermaid, Lion King, Monsters Inc. and Finding Nemo are going to find their way to the Blu-ray format.


Nothing special, but it's news anyway.

Http://www.animeondvd.com

[game designer]

It's always good to have a Studio like Disney in your camp. The war will be over pretty soon once the PS3 has a large userbase.

GD

[Pumpkin Head]

Disney= gameover=sony domination.... period.

[Amenophis]

Awesomeness!

[TheGreenElf]

This has been known for quite a while if I'm not mistaking.

[venomv]

I think so.

[rotorhead]

Given that Steve Jobs the CEO of Apple is the largest single share holder of Disney stock at about 7% this is hardly a shock.

[Derrick Barra]

Can't wait to see my Blu-Ray Add-on for 360 get released. (And yes, microsoft would more than likely make one if HD-DVD doesn't work out)

[xbdestroya]

Can't wait to see my Blu-Ray Add-on for 360 get released. (And yes, microsoft would more than likely make one if HD-DVD doesn't work out)

Oh definitely, no doubt. That *is* one of the advantages of going accessory, is that they can adjust to changing market conditions.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

The double side to that is, you keep confusing the hell out of your install base and they get pissed off that you can't make up your mind.
Add-ons=des-truck-shun.

[Metal Sphere]

Question: Are they going to continue using Mpeg-2 or will they be going for VC-1? AFAIK, Click is one of the newest movies and it's using a new codec than the older titles. Anyone know what it is?

It definitely didn't have the excessive noise and soft picture of most BR titles (like one foreign language film that was being played there, it looked like an upscaled DVD rather than a proper Blu-Ray movie).

[Siraris]

They are already using VC-1 and will be using H.264 soon as well.

I was just thinking that I wanted a movie released on Blu-Ray from Disney and I can't remember what it was :( I definitely can not wait to see Incredibles and Toy Story in 1080p Blu-ray goodness. Y U M

[nwo504]

everyone with an hdtv should buy atleast one bluray movie at launch

[smurfx]

cool can't wait for all the disney classics on blu ray. i've been avoiding buying dvd's for a while now and want to start again soon. hopefully all of the miyazaki movies are also released on blu ray. princess mononoke, spirited away, howl's moving castle in HD would be awesome.

[Applefiend]

Mai non! They are using H264 now, and some MPEG2. Disney aren't going near VC-1, VC-1 is mostly used by Warner on Blu ray right now.

BV/Disney BDs are terrific quaity, Eight Below is H264 and in some scenes reference quality, like looking through a window. Even their MPEG2 stuff looks great to me.

[Mr. Coww]

This is a major player and as such i see them doing both formats or they risk loosing sales. Much the same way so many once PS3 exclusive titles are now both PS3 and Xbox360.

[Siraris]

Mai non! They are using H264 now, and some MPEG2. Disney aren't going near VC-1, VC-1 is mostly used by Warner on Blu ray right now.

BV/Disney BDs are terrific quaity, Eight Below is H264 and in some scenes reference quality, like looking through a window. Even their MPEG2 stuff looks great to me.


If you are referring to Disney alone? Yes, they probably won't use VC-1. Warner will.

[VG Aficionado]

Much the same way so many once PS3 exclusive titles are now both PS3 and Xbox360.How many? :chinese2:

[Voidler]

Give me Spirited Away, Disney!

[woundingchaney]

I would love to see some of the "older" titles remastered for 7.1 sound and HD viewing.

Like Black Cauldron and other classics.

[smurfx]

This is a major player and as such i see them doing both formats or they risk loosing sales. Much the same way so many once PS3 exclusive titles are now both PS3 and Xbox360. yeah that's why universal is also backing blu ray. if disney is backing blu ray exclusively it's because they have alot of gain or else they would be supporting both formats. :thumbr:

[VG Aficionado]

yeah that's why universal is also backing blu ray. if disney is backing blu ray exclusively it's because they have alot of gain or else they would be supporting both formats. :thumbr:Is Universal backing Blu-ray movies now? Because they were/are the only exclusive movie studio supporting HD-DVD. However, they do support Blu-ray gaming.

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/pana_13.jpg

HD-DVD is going to have a really tough time to catch up. I don't think it will, honestly.

[Z]

everyone with an hdtv should buy atleast one bluray movie at launch
correction: "everyone will get one bluray movie at launch [of the PS3]" ;)

[Leedogg]

Mai non! They are using H264 now, and some MPEG2. Disney aren't going near VC-1, VC-1 is mostly used by Warner on Blu ray right now.

BV/Disney BDs are terrific quaity, Eight Below is H264 and in some scenes reference quality, like looking through a window. Even their MPEG2 stuff looks great to me.

hey applefiend, you forgot that Glory Road and Gone in 60 Seconds used the codec MPEG-4 AVC. For those that know which is the best codec H264, VC-1, or MPEG-4 AVC?

[OmniCloud]

DOn't bash me for this but I would love to watch Lion King over in Hi-def with surround sound...:-) LOL-so many memories

[Domination]

Oh definitely, no doubt. That *is* one of the advantages of going accessory, is that they can adjust to changing market conditions.

Very true. I just feel sorry for those that decide to purchase the HD-DVD add-on for what it's being sold for and have the player fail at the sametime. Unlike Blu Ray which is packed into the PS3 taking advanatge of games, the HD-DVD add-on will become completely useless since the 360 already plays DVDs.

[FantasyGhost]

Lmao while Disney is fully supporting Blu-ray, both Universal Studios and 20th century FOX back out of the Halo movie production. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6160268.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

[Z]

Oh definitely, no doubt. That *is* one of the advantages of going accessory, is that they can adjust to changing market conditions.
in theory and from a company's perspective, yes. but from a practical side and penetration, very few accessories proved very successful. and even those tapped 1/4 of the install base of a product- at most.

that is why I hoped the camera would be built in. see how strong the tilt function is even just before launch.

[Metal Sphere]

Well, AVC DEFINITELY isn't in the running for best PQ. It was the worst of the codecs shown at DigitalLife. It looks liked slightly improved SD, and on a 1080p set, that's not a good thing.

Whatever Click is using, as well as what was used in the BR demo loop disc (Ultraviolet, Bad Boys, Into the Blue, etc..) were absolutely astounding. I don't think you understand, ladies and gentlemen. Millia Jovovich breaks into a facility and proceeds to walk around looking for something while avoiding guards. The colors were ridiculously saturated. You guys won't believe me, but there wasn't any color banding on either the red background, nor the white spiral staircase. Everything was razor sharp while avoiding haloing present when edge enhancement is on, contrast was bar none the best I've seen in an LCD.

Oh and this thing's got 1:1 pixel mapping for all you planning on running your PC on it. Wallpapers, websites, Bleach, will definitely look gorgeous on it.

I'll definitely try to get one of these at home, though I'll wait for the price to drop.

[Domination]

Nothing special, but it's news anyway.
Disney Firmly Backing Blu-ray (08:11 PM EDT): The folks at Ultimate Disney managed to get an early screener of the upcoming Cars DVD release and there was a new Blu-ray promotional video there. Now, we fully understand that this is not a live action/Disney review site, but it's important to understand how the format war is playing out as it will affect the anime field in the long run. The link above has several shots from the DVD itself and a number from the Blu-ray promotional video as well. With the caveat of them saying "Coming from Disney" and not "Coming soon from Disney," they have their marketing push by indicating that such titles as Little Mermaid, Lion King, Monsters Inc. and Finding Nemo are going to find their way to the Blu-ray format.
Http://www.animeondvd.com

....and man, many more to come. Disney (http://lighthousenews.us/photos/dvd/cars/29.jpg) :happy:

[Pumpkin Head]

I allready have three blu-ray movies,can't wait too watch T2..lol

[Domination]

Lmao while Disney is fully supporting Blu-ray, both Universal Studios and 20th century FOX back out of the Halo movie production. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6160268.html?tag=latestnews;title;0

I read this the other day. That's pretty bad news for the series. Representatives at Microsoft say that they are working with other partners as we speak. That much is good news - there is just one problem, these "partners" Microsoft speaks of are either still on the fence or are equally if not exclusive to Blu Ray right now. So it's kind of a double edge sword when they are trying to back one format and their "partners" doing so with another.

[OmniCloud]

in theory and from a company's perspective, yes. but from a practical side and penetration, very few accessories proved very successful. and even those tapped 1/4 of the install base of a product- at most.

that is why I hoped the camera would be built in. see how strong the tilt function is even just before launch.Me too Z-but PS3 is compatible with almost any web cam out there and the original Eyetoy. Devs could just as easily put facing mapping into their games right at launch. I'm looking forward to more advanced EyeToy and Kinetic Game tho...

[gozirah]

The double side to that is, you keep confusing the hell out of your install base and they get pissed off that you can't make up your mind.
Add-ons=des-truck-shun.

I agree. MS Moore always talks up the accessory strategy like its so great for consumer choice. But it seems like the *only* angle to talk up. The consumer can't choose that MS go back in time and integrate HDDVD as standard, so that it can actually be used for games. Sorry, back to PS3. Most gamers I know also love movies. BD-PS3 is a runaway freight train. It seems that PS3 will tip the scales for Blu-Ray, and once that happens, guess which console install base will grow. It's like dvd-PS2 all over again.

[Applefiend]

Click is MPEG2/Dual Layer(50GB), Universal won't touch Blu Ray with a barge pole, if you want Universal movies you'll want HD DVD matie. Fox are very gung ho Blu Ray.

I think it's pretty obvious MPEG4 H264 is a better codec than MPEG2, but it's how you use the codec that counts, and what state the uncompressed movie is in. 50GB of MPEG2 is pretty nice.

[Kiosko]

Disney and Blu-ray sounds really good. Mulan and Mulan 2 BD sounds very possible now.

[Metal Sphere]

Click is MPEG2/Dual Layer(50GB), Universal won't touch Blu Ray with a barge pole, if you want Universal movies you'll want HD DVD matie. Fox are very gung ho Blu Ray.

I think it's pretty obvious MPEG4 H264 is a better codec than MPEG2, but it's how you use the codec that counts, and what state the uncompressed movie is in. 50GB of MPEG2 is pretty nice.

Well then, they should continue to use MPEG2 but use it solely with 50GB discs since it's a big improvement over the early titles. In the meantime they should be working on H.264 (BTW, is this AVC or a variant thereof?).

[Applefiend]

Wikipedia for everything as it what variant of H264 Blu Ray uses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu_ray

There are pretty nice Single Layer MPEG2 disks, SWAT, J&Silent bob, Training Day, they all look great to me. The VC-1 disks I have do look better to me, no doubt about it.

To be honest I'd like everything to be 50GB DL, as then you can have something like Click where they throw a ton of extras at you. Audio in every codec you can think of, outtakes, alternative endings, interviews, yadda yadda.

The MPEG2 SLs have been lacking in that.

[Metal Sphere]

Wikipedia for everything as it what variant of H264 Blu Ray uses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu_ray


Thanks, Applefiend.


There are pretty nice Single Layer MPEG2 disks, SWAT, J&Silent bob, Training Day, they all look great to me. The VC-1 disks I have do look better to me, no doubt about it.


That's the problem. No matter if you've got more support than your competitor, you also need to look better than them too. This format's got everyone on their side and the specifications supporting them as well, but the most important aspect is the visuals.

Luckily they used Click at DigitalLife, because it was gorgeous. The AVC-codec program they had running was awful and the foreign language film was little more than upscaled-DVD.


To be honest I'd like everything to be 50GB DL, as then you can have something like Click where they throw a ton of extras at you. Audio in every codec you can think of, outtakes, alternative endings, interviews, yadda yadda.

The MPEG2 SLs have been lacking in that.

This is what makes people buy more Blu-Ray movies. If they see that their money not only bought them the movie with impressive visual and audio performance but a plethora of unexpected extras, trailers, so on and so forth... they'd buy again. It'd bump the value up in their eyes.

And with many BR movies coming in well below MSRP, this applies even more so. Have you heard any news of when they're going to start using another codec?

[Applefiend]

The codecs are all in, at least the video ones.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/fifthelement.html <<< Since day one, MPEG2

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/trainingday.html << MPEG2/SL looking good

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/blazingsaddles.html << VC-1 SL

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/eightbelow.html << MPEG4 H264 SL

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/click.html <<< MPEG2 DL

Missing in action right now are H264 DL and VC-1 DL. I think you'll see H264 DL before you see VC-1 DL.

Disney are MPEG2/H264. I don't actually have an H264 BD right now as the only ones out are kinda crap. Those made for Disney channel and DVD movies that aren't good enough for cinema. But I will when a good one comes out.

Yeah, some of the classic Disney movies, Fantasia or Snow white, Digitally remastered, 50GB H264 with a ton of extras, nirvana...

You know, I'm an older guy, I like Disney when Uncle Walt was still alive. :)

[Metal Sphere]

Jesus, in every comparison except for Click, this man gave it up to HD-DVD every time. Hopefully more titles come on BR-DL, because that was just pathetic.

BTW, on what format will U-571 come on?

[Applefiend]

For the Warner BDs, the VC-1 data they use on the disk is identical, so HD DVD ain't winning there, but they chop out an audio codec for the BD version. (Boo! Hiss! :) )

But yeah, VC-1 or H264, with identical source data, it's just better than a single layer MPEG2 BD, no two ways about it. Lotta hardcore BD guys are in denial over that, but not me.. :)

http://www.dvdtown.com/discdetails/u-571hd-dvd/18853/

Universal, already out on HD DVD.

[Metal Sphere]

Ugh, HD-DVD will continue to trounce BR in sales and PQ if this keeps up. I don't want a half-assed format to become mainstream like DVD, so hopefully they shape up.

[Applefiend]

On paper Blu Ray is the better format, but by putting out half assed transfers badly encoded on MPEG2 SL the Bly Ray guys seem to be almost giving HD DVD a chance to win. Some of these disks I have here, escepially the Lionsgate ones are straight up s***. No other word for them. The BD guys have a weird kinda arrogance.

Lotta hardcore BD guys are blaming Samsung for the lousy picture quality on disks. But I got Training Day on MPEG2 SL, the PQ is excellent on my launch Samsung BD player, no noise, no nothing, so I don't understand how come it's the player. Maybe because it's easier to blame Samsung who are fence sitters. Rather than blame lousy encodes.

HD DVD guys have less studios, but are making sure they use an up to date codec(duh! That would help!) rather than 14 year old MPEG2, and good audio codecs too. And putting out their best PQ film stock they have.

I guess it comes down to educated consumers, gotta read the reviews. Refuse to buy the crap.

I'm told the total installed base of BD Players is around 10,000 at this point. Not too many people want to throw down 999 dollars for a player right now.

There are crap HD DVD movies too of course. :)

But yeah, there's great quality BDs. Just got Corpse Bride and Syriana from Warner, awesome quality movies, but then I pick up the first Paramount BDs and they kinda suck. But one of them, Tomb Raiderm sucked for PQ on HD DVD too so....

[Metal Sphere]

On paper Blu Ray is the better format, but by putting out half assed transfers badly encoded on MPEG2 SL the Bly Ray guys seem to be almost giving HD DVD a chance to win. Some of these disks I have here, escepially the Lionsgate ones are straight up s***. No other word for them. The BD guys have a weird kinda arrogance.

Lotta hardcore BD guys are blaming Samsung for the lousy picture quality on disks. But I got Training Day on MPEG2 SL, the PQ is excellent on my launch Samsung BD player, no noise, no nothing, so I don't understand how come it's the player. Maybe because it's easier to blame Samsung who are fence sitters. Rather than blame lousy encodes.

HD DVD guys have less studios, but are making sure they use an up to date codec(duh! That would help!) rather than 14 year old MPEG2, and good audio codecs too. And putting out their best PQ film stock they have.

I guess it comes down to educated consumers, gotta read the reviews. Refuse to buy the crap.

I'm told the total installed base of BD Players is around 10,000 at this point.

There are crap HD DVD movies too of course. :)

Damn, you just about summed it up. They seriously need to get that arrogance out of their collective asses. They're operating as if they're under some kind of manifest destiny as to the result of this competition.

They need to put out more notable titles, at better quality as well as getting their prices down. If they do all three, they're set. Until then, HD-DVD will continue chipping away at goliath until there's nothing left.

[Applefiend]

I still think they'll win. Right now, 10,000 players. November 17th, 500,000 players. Year end, 3 million players.

And the gap between available HD DVD and Blu ray movies is now only 16 titles. By years end with the help of Fox Blu Ray titles should over take HD DVD titles in quantity.

So it's looking good.

[Metal Sphere]

I still think they'll win. Right now, 10,000 players. November 17th, 500,000 players. Year end, 3 million players.

I'm guessing you're factoring in Japan, huh? Will they buy titles? Will the advertising be enough to shove HD-DVD and its strong visual connection to DVD (think about HD and then a DVD, you'll see how most consumers think) out of the minds of potential customers?

Will the library get better fast enough to compel people to buy more movies rather than play DVDs of their favorites because they aren't on BR yet?


And the gap between available HD DVD and Blu ray movies is now only 16 titles. By years end with the help of Fox Blu Ray titles should over take HD DVD titles in quantity.

So it's looking good.

Actually, the potential is there. There's tons of reasons for the BR camp to be arrogant, but they simply shouldn't be.

[Applefiend]

Well I've been living with Blu Ray for nearly 6 months, and I certainly have stopped buying DVDs, I can say that much.

All IMHO, but what's most important is when people go to a retail store or rental place to pick up the latest movie they want, it's available in hi def and they have the player. This is where BD has the advantage. 80% of the studios compared to HD DVDs 45%, and the installed base of PS3s.

But yeah, there's the weird kind of arrogance people accussed Sony of with Playstation, which didn't really exist with PS but probably does with Blu Ray. "We've already won, so why try".

Here's something from blu-ray.com forum, list of top grossing films of 2006

1 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest BV
2 Cars BV
3 X-Men: The Last Stand Fox
4 The Da Vinci Code Sony
5 Superman Returns WB
6 Ice Age: The Meltdown Fox
7 Over the Hedge P/DW
8 Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby Sony
9 Click SonR
10 Mission: Impossible III Par.

I thought this was kind of interesting.... These are the top 10 movies by gross for 2006 so far.
BD exclusive studios 70%
HD-DVD exclusive studio 0%
Nuetral studios 30%

Overall on BD 100%
Overall on HD-DVD 30%

Worth considering. One's even packed in with PS3. :) That explains the free PS3 giveaway. Highest grossing movie/recent that Sony own that would appeal to the demographic.

[Viano]

mickey mouse: the war is over, peace.

[Applefiend]

p.s. while compiling my November 14th BD shopping list:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/searchers.html << 50GB VC-1 Blu Ray, woof!

or two:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/unforgiven.html

Unforgiven is considered one of the best HD DVDs for PQ, the BD will no doubt be identical data.

And...

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/kingdomofheavendc.html << 50GB H264, you'll never see that on HD DVD, read em and weep.

[VG Aficionado]

Man, Blu-ray rocks. It has more support, more content, the same codecs as HD-DVD at higher bitrates, a much higher standard installed base as soon as PS3 is around the world, plus it's the only HD media that can be used for gaming... I can't help thinking HD-DVD is doomed.

[woundingchaney]

Man, Blu-ray rocks. It has more support, more content, the same codecs as HD-DVD at higher bitrates, a much higher standard installed base as soon as PS3 is around the world, plus the exclusive gaming support which is a huge plus for me... I can't help thinking HD-DVD is doomed.

I would have to agree. Although Im not sure what role the PS3 will play in the media war, as it depends on what perventage of consumers actually use it as a BR player.

HD DVD isnt dead but it is looking grim.

[smurfx]

http://lighthousenews.us/photos/dvd/cars/29.jpg

cool i'll be buying all of those movies.

[Domination]

I would have to agree. Although Im not sure what role the PS3 will play in the media war, as it depends on what perventage of consumers actually use it as a BR player.

HD DVD isnt dead but it is looking grim.

Totally agree. But one thing I really applaused Sony on, which I haven't seen mentioned around here, is the huge label reading Blu Ray onto the PS3's stocking case. To me, it let's people know right up front that the console is a Blu Ray player. So by that and Blu Ray's support, consumers may naturally go after Blu Ray, rather they invest in the console or not.

[woundingchaney]

Totally agree. But one thing I really applaused Sony on, which I haven't seen mentioned around here, is the huge label reading Blu Ray onto the PS3's stocking case. To me, it let's people know right up front that the console is a Blu Ray player. So by that and Blu Ray's support, consumers may naturally go after Blu Ray, rather they invest in the console or not.


This is a very good point. Not so much now or in the near future will this play much of a role mainly due to shortages and lack of consumer knowledge, but as this gen progresses and the average to upper-mid level consumer become aware of what a BR player is then it could dramatically increase sales of the PS3 (and BR media and hardware in general).

This of course depends on the price of stand alone players as well, although with the other features offered through the PS3 it may become valid for anyone to choose the console over the stand alone player.

[Sypher]

The store where I work just got a new Samsung BD player. Any recommendations of good movis to show? BTW its showing on the new Bravia for anyone that cares.

[Z]

Totally agree. But one thing I really applaused Sony on, which I haven't seen mentioned around here, is the huge label reading Blu Ray onto the PS3's stocking case. To me, it let's people know right up front that the console is a Blu Ray player. So by that and Blu Ray's support, consumers may naturally go after Blu Ray, rather they invest in the console or not.
I agree. that and them adding a full featured BD movie.
I was saying before that it would be cheaper for them to include a movie installed in the HDD instead of a physical copy. but some immediately brought to my attention the effect and importance of giving people an actual BD movie package so they can 'realize' the whole BD movie concept is real and is out there.
I also like the idea of them making the games promenatly showing they are of BD caliber as well.

[Metal Sphere]

Hmm, do you guys have that demo loop that was running on the Bravias at DigitalLife? That had people fixated on it for longer than anyone would've imagined.

Here's some recommended ones due to PQ and/or being recognizable:

- Ultraviolet
- Terminator 2
- Eight Below
- Syriana
- Aeon Flux
- Corpse Bride

You could throw in Full Metal Jacket, but I don't know how the PQ is on that.

[gozirah]

I agree. that and them adding a full featured BD movie.
I was saying before that it would be cheaper for them to include a movie installed in the HDD instead of a physical copy. but some immediately brought to my attention the effect and importance of giving people an actual BD movie package so they can 'realize' the whole BD movie concept is real and is out there.
I also like the idea of them making the games promenatly showing they are of BD caliber as well.

Well, that and if a movie came installed on the HDD, then a lot of people might realize they want download all their movies instead of buying them on BD. And also, if it is a fully featured BD it would fill up the whole base model.

[Applefiend]

For PQ:

- Ultraviolet - Awful, on so many levels
- Terminator 2 - Below average. Terminator 1 is excellent though.
- Eight Below - Excellent, bloody disney channel straight to video filler movie, but great PQ.
- Syriana - Excellent, and unusually for hi def movies... A good movie.
- Aeon Flux - Just OK. Charlize Theron is quite spotty.
- Corpse Bride - Very Excellent
- Full Metal Jacket - Crap

Best of the bunch, Corpse Bride, which is stunning, probably as it's lots of stuff on fixed backgrounds that video compressors like a lot.

But frigging diabolical Full Metal Jacket, which is a shame as I like the movie, a lot.

[OmniCloud]

Disney movies on Blu-ray!!! I can watch Lion King again on my PS3...I'm happy already.

[Metal Sphere]

Jesus, Ultraviolet was nothing short of perfect on the XBR2. What was the problem? They need a movie with its razor sharp visuals, ridiculous contrast and stylized backdrops.

I kind of figured about FMJ, but T2!? What the hell is going on with the studios!?

[Applefiend]

Well mostly it's just a terrible movie. :) The word people use to describe the PQ is "inconsistant". It's an early Blu Ray movie, and other early ones like Underworld Evo or Stealth look better.

T2, dunno how that came out looking sub par but it did. But yeah, FMJ is diabolical. Think of a bad staticy terrestrial TV transmission, only in hi res...

Worst Blu Rays I own are still Saw and Lord of War, Lionsgate should be taken out and shot for ruining Lord of War.

I'm going to put together a list of all my BDs with PQ ratings just before PS launch, if you're going to pick up some BDs and don't want to spend 20 bucks on poo.