XBL's Greenberg calls PS3 online a "knockoff"

[FantasyGhost]

Linky: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6160292.html?sid=6160292

[Metal Sphere]

Question: Why exactly are you linking to that?

I've noticed that whenever someone pro-360 talks about competitors it's "copy this, knockoff that".

[Pumpkin Head]

Greenberg seems a lil scared.. lol

[julps31]

Theres nothing wrong with having the online having the same features...thats what the business is. You try to 1up your competitors. If it works for a competitor and its an high demand feature then it only makes sense to include it. I don't think this is unusual when it comes to business.

[VG Aficionado]

This guy is too biased. He's pretty much misinformed (or misinforming) about PS3 online and he doesn't seem to provide any hard-hitting argument againts free/not free, so... :whogives:

[Raijin]

I couldnt give a fuck of Mr. XBL thinks about PS3 network, seriously what's the freaking point of posting that?

[FantasyGhost]

Question: Why exactly are you linking to that?
Because it's an interview from Gamespot?

[Metal Sphere]

Because it's an interview from Gamespot?

You're being obtuse. Why did you link to an inflammatory and biased interview?

We've heard this opinion from other gamers, we don't need to hear it from someone getting interviewed by Gamespot. It's also barely relevant to this forum...

[Smurf]

That "knockoff" is for free. Therefore, PS3 online > Xbox live.

[Hrama]

*Sighs and rubs his temples* Do we really have to start with this fanboyish stuff? I swear this is deja vu from the Xbox forum with the whole "Sony PR reaches a new low says harddrive is required" or whatever the title was. Just went over this very issue in that thread. All three companies use PR to knock the competition and certainly some things that are said aren't the most absolutely true or flatering things ever about the competition. These are companies, not angels.

[OmniCloud]

This thread is not needed...Plenty more to discuss, and much better ways to do it.

[Domination]

Linky: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6160292.html?sid=6160292

After reading the interview, I didn't think "knockoff," coming from him, was as bad as the title had made it seem. Gamespot got a bit too excited there, I think. However, this does not mean I agree with his opinion. He's an Xbox/Mirosoft representative. So I can't say that I would expect him to praise the server with open arms. It's obvious he and all of Microsoft knows that they have a very competitive firm on their hands. I don't think the situation can be anymore transparent than what it already is.

Moreover, he seems to be running out of steam in this passage:

AG: There is so much more for gamers to experience on Xbox Live and so little new news in Sony's online announcements. We will compete with them in the same way we have for the last four years by out-innovating and focusing on community, value, and the content that gamers want. They offered basic free matchmaking on the PS2, and from what we can tell, their online story has not evolved much. Do they offer the ability to build your reputation across the network? Can you accumulate achievements and gamerscore? Do they have voice in every game? What about cross-game invites and communication? Is every game online enabled? Heck, do they have exclusive titles that can compete with Halo 3, Gears of War, Geometry Wars, Next Splinter Cell, Halo Wars, and exclusive episodic content for Grand Theft Auto IV that you won't be playing on the PS3?

First of all, he's comparing PS2, or rather last-generation's, online server to Live 2.0. There is a huge differece there which he fails to admit: this is PS3 and a new online server.

Everything else he mentions from there and forward is his own speculation. This is not the 2 year old PS2 that will be competing with their console. So I really don't see how this matters unless their developers rely strictly on talent and innovation that can not be matched any place else. And that can only be determined through time and time alone.

[Grovestreet]

That "knockoff" is for free. Therefore, PS3 online > Xbox live.

I wouldn't exactly say free because In the long run You have to Pay for demo's, Updates etc. While XBL Has Free Demo's to download, Plus the Price you pay for XBL each year is Very cheap. Dont Call me a troll.

[cornholio12]

yeah and xbox live is a knockoff of pc but the only difference is they charge you

[Grovestreet]

Lol NEVER bring the PC Into this, Its Consoles we're taking about here, Damn Fanboys.

[Hrama]

And it begins...

[VG Aficionado]

:locked:

[Domination]

I wouldn't exactly say free because In the long run You have to Pay for demo's, Updates etc. While XBL Has Free Demo's to download, Plus the Price you pay for XBL each year is Very cheap. Dont Call me a troll.

Actually, demos are free, and the firmware upgrades are, too. ;) Now that I think of it, some purchased content is as well so long as you have a friends ID who has recently made purchases online.

[Hrama]

Domination has it right. Free demos and firmware updates from my understanding, though some things will offered at a premium.

[VG Aficionado]

Phil Harrison has confirmed that demos, trailers and some other downloadables will be free of charge. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PD0K8JRV)

And free will always be cheaper than $50 x numberofyears.

[Killing Moon]

Lol NEVER bring the PC Into this, Its Consoles we're taking about here, Damn Fanboys.

Why not?

Gaming is gaming and what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander. Microsoft and their fans should be the last to talk about anyone "ripping off" ideas, considering that MS entered the market solely because Sony made it mainstream in the first place. Let's not forget about how MS aped everything Sony did to this day for the success of their console (such as viral marketing, MTV promos and even their controller design from the get-go). The only semi-unique things they added was standardizing a HDD (for which they themselves fell off on) and console online infrastructure (which as was stated, is just PC gaming emulation, only with a fee).

So please, let's cut with the pot calling the kettle black scenarios, okay. At the very least, Sony innovates with game designs and gaming technology. MS hasn't innovated or INVENTED a single thing since Bill Gates began stealing and blatantly emulating ideas to create Microsoft to begin with.

GTF outta' here, please.

[woundingchaney]

So please, let's cut with the pot calling the kettle black scenarios, okay. At the very least, Sony innovates with game designs and gaming technology. MS hasn't innovated or INVENTED a single thing since Bill Gates began stealing and blatantly emulating ideas to create Microsoft to begin with.

GTF outta' here, please.


That is quite simply not true.

[EvilTaru]

I couldnt give a fuck of Mr. XBL thinks about PS3 network, seriously what's the freaking point of posting that?

QFMFT. It's just gamespot's way of "stirring **** up", so to speak, like there isn't enough system war-driven animosity already.

[The Game 2006]

I wouldn't exactly say free because In the long run You have to Pay for demo's, Updates etc. While XBL Has Free Demo's to download, Plus the Price you pay for XBL each year is Very cheap. Dont Call me a troll.

I believe demos are free. MotorStorm is available on day one as a playable.

[VG Aficionado]

Phil Harrison has confirmed that demos, trailers, updates and some other downloadables will be free of charge. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PD0K8JRV)

[OmniCloud]

Why not?

Gaming is gaming and what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander. Microsoft and their fans should be the last to talk about anyone "ripping off" ideas, considering that MS entered the market solely because Sony made it mainstream in the first place. Let's not forget about how MS aped everything Sony did to this day for the success of their console (such as viral marketing, MTV promos and even their controller design from the get-go). The only semi-unique things they added was standardizing a HDD (for which they themselves fell off on) and console online infrastructure (which as was stated, is just PC gaming emulation, only with a fee).

So please, let's cut with the pot calling the kettle black scenarios, okay. At the very least, Sony innovates with game designs and gaming technology. MS hasn't innovated or INVENTED a single thing since Bill Gates began stealing and blatantly emulating ideas to create Microsoft to begin with.

GTF outta' here, please.LOL..that's a little harsh mate-whether Live is an emulation of PC is not the point-they did it first, and made a good service that many people are willing to pay for. On the other stuff-well..I'll just leave that alone, but they did bring Live to the table, and different controller scheme, and well..Halo. Give them props for the stuff they did, there marketing and bashing other systems when they generally do the same thing-well, that's why I don't have a Xbox.

If you wanna go toe-to-toe blow-for-blow, I think Nintendo should be crowned the innovation King. Sony borrowed a lot from them and used technology to evolve it-they say the respect Nintendo but they too don't give them the credit they deserve. Just to throw it out there

[EvilTaru]

Phil Harrison has confirmed that demos, trailers, updates and some other downloadables will be free of charge. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PD0K8JRV)

AWESOME.

[Grovestreet]

Why not?

Gaming is gaming and what's good for the Goose is good for the Gander. Microsoft and their fans should be the last to talk about anyone "ripping off" ideas, considering that MS entered the market solely because Sony made it mainstream in the first place. Let's not forget about how MS aped everything Sony did to this day for the success of their console (such as viral marketing, MTV promos and even their controller design from the get-go). The only semi-unique things they added was standardizing a HDD (for which they themselves fell off on) and console online infrastructure (which as was stated, is just PC gaming emulation, only with a fee).

So please, let's cut with the pot calling the kettle black scenarios, okay. At the very least, Sony innovates with game designs and gaming technology. MS hasn't innovated or INVENTED a single thing since Bill Gates began stealing and blatantly emulating ideas to create Microsoft to begin with.

GTF outta' here, please.

Lol Learn afew facts then come back, Until you do why dont YOU GTFO of here! Anyway im going incase I get called a Troll.

[Hrama]

Yeah Killing Moon, Microsoft certainly has innovated, whether by introducing new features or simply adding them to existing products/software/ideas. That's innovatino too.

Oh jeez people can we just dicuss things like Domination and the few of us here not acting like children are? What does this accomplish by attacking each other? Nothing. In fact, it only makes you look childish. This is why perfectly good threads are locked...

[satriales]

The 360's Live service is far from perfect and I don't imagine it will be hard for Sony to improve upon it.

My main gripe with Xbox Live is that for my £40 a year I can only have one profile online. Games like Test Drive Unlimited and Dead Rising don't allow more than one save per profile, so it means if anyone else in my house wants to play them online they have to use my profile and my saved game. All achievements are linked to that profile aswell, so they also become pointless if you're sharing your profile to get online.

I have only had my 360 a couple of months, and there have been a reasonable amount of demo's released since I got it. The music, videos and film trailers are not updated very often though and xbox live isn't really very good at that sort of thing. The xbox live arcade is OK, but very expensive and with only a few quality games.

I think the PS3 will have alot more online content and to offer online gaming for free means anyone in my house can set up their own online profile and actually play online without ruining my game saves (something not possible on the 360).

[NeoPlayStation]

Lol NEVER bring the PC Into this, Its Consoles we're taking about here, Damn Fanboys.

So xbox live is a knockoff of Dreamcast (seganet).

[woundingchaney]

This is usually how these things work, nearly ever aspect of gaming now comes from some other "source". Xbox Live is not unique, nor is motion sensors in controllers or eyetoy/live-vision cameras.

Just more media mud slinging.

[Hrama]

Yep, that's all it is, nothing more.

[gozirah]

You know what innovation is? Not just having in idea, but executing it well.

[woundingchaney]

You know what innovation is? Not just having in idea, but executing it well.

I completely agree with that. Innovation is becoming just a marketing catch phrase anymore. It matters little to me if something is innovative, I want improvement and polish much more than I want new and gimmicky.


Excellent Statement.

[Hrama]

–verb (used without object)
1. to introduce something new; make changes in anything established.
–verb (used with object)
2. to introduce (something new) for or as if for the first time: to innovate a computer operating system.
3. Archaic. to alter.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/innovate

Precisely. Look at number 1, innovation is not just making something new, but also making changes in anything established, so... yeah.

[OmniCloud]

This is usually how these things work, nearly ever aspect of gaming now comes from some other "source". Xbox Live is not unique, nor is motion sensors in controllers or eyetoy/live-vision cameras.

Just more media mud slinging.QFT!!!

[woundingchaney]

LOL

Yes Hrama that is the text book definition of innovative. :aimhappy:

[Hrama]

Heh =P

So I guess I could change one letter in Xbox Live... say Xbox Jive and have it be innovative... preeeetty interesting...

[xbdestroya]

This thread is *way* out of line, and not because the topic needed to go down this road either...

Killing Moon - dude, you need to relax. Telling a longtiem member like Grovestreet (even if he has gone MS) to 'GTFOH' is just too harsh for no reason.

GroveStreet, you don't always have to be self-conscious about liking 360 around here, it's ok; ignore the trolling comments. Just try to focus on the PS3 though, and what you like - and yes, dislike - about it rather than always getting drawn out into 360 vs PS3 comparisons. You set yourself up by always getting preemptively defensive. Granted this thread is exactly that, a comparison thread, so it's a little different...

Anyway Microsoft innovates people, and Sony innovates too.

This whole Internet-wide war of fanboyism between who innovates more, who copies who, who markets more cleverly... it is *totally* and utterly bogus. I've never seen a bigger waste of energy over the most pointless of debates across such a large swath of the Internet.

Listen, no one here likes Sony because they innovate... or hates Microsoft because they don't. Your appreciation for a brand or hardware (or lack thereof) stems from elsewhere. So many fans of gaming have turned into bizzarre proxies for the corporate executives playing 'tag' with each other these days, accusing the others of false innovation... it's just not worth it.

Look, PS3's online network copies aspects of Live - it's obvious to an extent! But who cares? If it's free, and if it's good... that's what matters. And on the flipside, it's not like these concepts are so outlandishly clever that Sony (or anyone else) wouldn't have come up with them on their own. Hell, maybe they did and we don't know. It's just that MS did it first (and did it well).

Ford invented the mass assembly line, but would anyone take an argument seriously that started with Mercedes is a bunch of copycats because they use mass assembly?

There's company innovation, and there's industry innovation. Why do we have to treat them like they're mutually exclusive? If it's Sony copying innovation, or ignoring it to keep it 'real,' yeah - I'll take the copying please. Same with 360 and their eye-toy and such; they took it because it's a great idea, not because they're dull copycats.

PS3 online: it's free, and it's for me. :smoke:

The Microsoft guy has every right to say what he's saying - what would you say if you were him? But his words alone don't shape the form of things to come.

[Hrama]

Ah, another voice of reason finally. Thank you Xb, what a lot of us have been saying for a long time now. I am still mystified over some of the Playstation Network Platform's features though. They just need to make a documentary on it and put it on their website. It's great that it's free, but what does it really do and is that standard in all games? I know I'm not quite sure yet...

[xbdestroya]

I agree, it's strangely un-described. But they've let us know enough at Gamers Day that I at least feel whatever the case, what they have is 'sufficient.' It's got the universal ID, the friends lists, the voice and video chat, the messaging, the store.... whether it's a consistent experience across games, we'll see. But at worst I think it will be a matter of degrees vs a matter of 'yes/no.'

[Hrama]

Heh, you explained that perfectly as it was the exact same thing I was thinking... "varying degrees vs. a matter of 'yes/no'" indeed. Coming from you is all I need to hear to see that I haven't missed anything in the recent news about it. Thanks for the clarification Xb. +rep.

[OmniCloud]

^Awww..u guys should just hug now:cloud9:lol...You make good points up there XB-but I don't think arguing over who innovated the most or copied who is irrelevant though. If I was 12 or 13 years old, then yes-I wouln't care about what this PR guy said-and who copied who and came us with this first blah, blah, blah. But I'm not a kid, I'm 19 and I'm forking over $500+BUCKS for any type of gaming that I wanna experience. Maybe some don't care, but I feel strongly about a company bashing or downplaying another especially when they "borrow" ideas. Specifically with M$, there strategy seems so close at times to what Sony is doing-the comparisions are only natural-and it deserves to be talked about for clarificaton on who benefits the gaming industry more. To simply not care about anything but the gaming experience is perfectly fine for some, but for me-it's the equivalent of eating ice cream that was produced by a pro-Hitler factory-LOL...Not saying M$ or Sony or any1 is that bad, just saying I look into the image of a company when I buy their product-especially videogames because of the ammount of time I put into them.

[game designer]

LOL!

Gotta love Microsoft guys talking about others ripping their ideas off.

Like MS hasn't been doing that with Apple the last 10 years with Windows, and now again with the Ipod / Zune.

They don't have a leg to stand on honestly.

GD

[Z]

Grovestreet
...Dont Call me a troll.
and two posts down:
Grovestreet
....Damn Fanboys.
boy, that was fast.

[OmniCloud]

^ahahahahaha...that was pretty funny

[Garfunkel]

We welcomed the same approach from Sony four years ago. We're proud that we've created a smash hit service that has prevailed over four years by growing to 4 million members during that time. And we're flattered that we've created a service that is breeding yet another knockoff.

Oh yes Microshaft, Sony is very arrogant aren't they?

competition is always great

You can say that again. That's why you are in the worst position since...ever, lots of competitors you can't buy out eh?

There is so much more for gamers to experience on Xbox Live and so little new news in Sony's online announcements. We will compete with them in the same way we have for the last four years by out-innovating and focusing on community, value, and the content that gamers want.

What??? what features does your one offer that Sony doesn't. How on earth can you say you are "innovative" hell it takes someone like Mozilla or Google to bash you up until you bring out a clone. Give me one feature that live has over pc online gaming from years ago.

And how can you talk about Value, last time i checked your service was not free to play online and sony's is! You are an idiot.

PS2

Oh yes, lets compare the new live to a console that has been out for 6 years and is not even in the same context.

How are they handling safety, security, hacking, viruses, and parental controls?

I don't think you can talk MS....

do they have exclusive titles that can compete with Halo 3, Gears of War, Geometry Wars, Next Splinter Cell, Halo Wars, and exclusive episodic content for Grand Theft Auto IV that you won't be playing on the PS3?

Oh go home and play your little "halo" you moron. I hope you know that we have the "exclusive content" for GTA 4 on ps3 as well, what's yours, downloadable areas that could not fit on the 8 DVD's?

We were the first platform to offer a microtransaction model online for a console.

I hate to break it to you but don't you think consumers find it cumbersome converting points to currency all the time?


Consumers also want to know that their personal information is protected, so your payment methods must always all be secure. And finally, your privacy and family settings are extremely important, and we believe it is imperative to be able to regulate who you play with and who you invite into your community,

Nah, Sony wont have a "secure" payment method will they. Hey i have a great idea, shut up! you have no idea what your talking about!

We think this will bring even more game creators and new concepts to this space, even allowing a couple of guys in a garage the opportunity to eventually make their own Xbox Live Arcade game.

Man, sony does this too.

People want to browse the Web with their keyboard and mouse on their PC,

How dare dictate what i want and don't want. And um...you know ps3 supports kb/m and is a pc.

You also potentially expose your platform to security risks by opening up access to browsing the internet.

My nana could tell me that. you don't know much about Cell's security features do you, or layers.

we continually listen to customers and work to evolve the service in response.

That's a new one! How about this one... go out of business, your a disgrace.

[Kiosko]

In the End, Greenberg is showing his opinion even; if its an biased one.

[woundingchaney]

What??? what features does your one offer that Sony doesn't. How on earth can you say you are "innovative" hell it takes someone like Mozilla or Google to bash you up until you bring out a clone. Give me one feature that live has over pc online gaming from years ago.
.


Standard chat in every game. Standard friendlist that spans multiple games. Onine chat during games with other not on the game - online voice chat. Gamerscore that tracks achievements and games that are associated with those. Customization abilities such as personal photos and other pics. Integrated clan support and integrated clan tournaments. Xbox Live arcade, game downloads, downloadable themes, downloadable pics. Ability to prefer and remove players from possible gaming matchups. Ability to mute other players. Voice distortion. etc........

These are but a few of many, surely some of them refer to pc and Sony online. The thing here is that these span all MS games (although not clan support in every one) not just a select few and everyone has the ability to use them not just those that use xfire or those that use gamespy etc. It is the "best" online structure available. The price seems to be what throws people off, but the majority of those that dont like the structure scream about the price have no intention of buying the console in the first place.

Do you have any knowledge of the Live Structure???

[Garfunkel]

Standard chat in every game. Standard friendlist that spans multiple games. Onine chat during games with other not on the game - online voice chat. Gamerscore that tracks achievements and games that are associated with those. Customization abilities such as personal photos and other pics. Integrated clan support and integrated clan tournaments. Xbox Live arcade, game downloads, downloadable themes, downloadable pics. Ability to prefer and remove players from possible gaming matchups. Ability to mute other players. Voice distortion. etc........

These are but a few of many, surely some of them refer to pc and Sony online. The thing here is that these span all MS games (although not clan support in every one) not just a select few and everyone has the ability to use them not just those that use xfire or those that use gamespy etc. It is the "best" online structure available. The price seems to be what throws people off, but the majority of those that dont like the structure scream about the price have no intention of buying the console in the first place.

Do you have any knowledge of the Live Structure???

I would hardly call "standard [feature] in every game" a feature.

all will be revealed in time. I am not saying that live doesn't have good services, it does. I am just saying that just because it hasn't been revealed, you can't say Sony doesn't have these features too.

In the end, both services will be great, only one is free of charge and has almost/all/even more features.

[woundingchaney]

I would hardly call "standard [feature] in every game" a feature.

all will be revealed in time. I am not saying that live doesn't have good services, it does. I am just saying that just because it hasn't been revealed, you can't say Sony doesn't have these features too.

In the end, both services will be great, only one is free of charge and has almost/all/even more features.


I dont personally know what features Sony does and doesnt have the thing is no one really knows, they have yet to show us anything of substance. The first party titles are willing to talk about it but there statements dont necessarily coincide with what Sony has been saying, and third party games are dropping online because they have little to no info. on it (as they have said). Im not trying to paint a bad picture here Im not smashing Sony, but at this point to believe that their online structure is going to be as integrated or feature rich as Live is utopian. The main selling point behind their structure is that it is FREE and if this constitutes as a better structure then there isnt much to argue about because unfortunately Live does charge and that is the single largest downfall to the structure.

Having the same features integrated throughout every game is the "most important" aspect of Live.

[curryking1]

It's just a rep from from Microsoft. It's expected, it really doesn't matter at all. If he didn't say this, then this would be an actual subject. Anyone who's ripping on the guy for doing his job really needs a reality check.

@Woundingchaney

I agree, we should really wait until we compare Sony's online scheme, wait til Nov 17, then we can do feature for feature comparisons for the online stuff. Live is excellent in it's integration of all games though, and that method still seperates it from the competition. I personally doubt that the importance of that will be great though, even though it is an excellent way of doing online, I feel that just having a something more than competent online (like what Sony has on paper right now, with online gaming, and whatever extras they have) will be enough to make consumers not really care for any other differences. Like I know XBL is good, but I never saw it as something that consumers knew about and made them buy the Xbox (unless they were gamers and specifically wanted the best online console gaming experience), XBL didn't have the awareness and advertising and an online service doesn't have the marketability that a MasterChief or GTA has, unless MS somehows markets online as a selling feature soon, to the public I mean and then does a good job of it.

I'm not even sure if mass consumer in a years or two's time, who are the most people purchasing consoles, will even care about what online features any console has, because it will be little 7 year old Timmy's uncle buying him a Xmas present or a parent buying a kid his birthday stuff. I even sometimes question if the PS3 could sell basically the same numbers that it will even if it didn't have any real online service like the PS2.

[mario25]

"How are they handling safety, security, hacking, viruses, and parental controls?"

Wait a minute.......the ps3 RUNS WINDOWS!!!!!!!!!?????? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!:emo:

[Danji Ikari]

You people are all ridiculous. Why even argue with the people obsessed with "innovation?" It's pointless.

[pari]

That is quite simply not true.

Can you name one? I cannot think of any that is truly MS innovation or creation

[lips]

some one should tell greenberg its only called a 'knockoff' if the price is lower.

*joke joke*!!

[8_Bit]

Can you name one? I cannot think of any that is truly MS innovation or creation

This was pretty innovative.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1869377,00.asp

[TheGreenElf]

This guy is doing his job, not stating any false facts or anything, so he's done nothing wrong. That said, he makes the point that Xbox Live has one screenname across every game...which sucks because if you want your friends or family to play it can really hurt your standings...and he acts as Xbox Live is the first time online play was possible...oh well. As I said, it's his job

[Viano]

well, XMB is better looking and that's all it matter..

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Step one: Ask yourself, who signs this guy's paycheck. We don't know for certain but we can take some good general guesses.
Step two: call for a thread lock.
Step Three: Continue with peace and harmony.

[OmniCloud]

Step one: Ask yourself, who signs this guy's paycheck. We don't know for certain but we can take some good general guesses.
Step two: call for a thread lock.
Step Three: Continue with peace and harmony.
AAAH Yes quoted for truth...LOCKY PLZ

I actually just read it-and I don't even know how this thread got 4 pages:huh: This idiot was talking like a complete fanboy! "Does Sony have exclusives like Gears of War or Halo?" Seriously am I the only one who finds this funny?

PNP would be a nice online service for PS3 users. We all wanted a free service, we all wanted some type of unity. Live will and should have some extra bonuses-but all in all-I think both sides will be happy with there consoles. Plz-close this thread mods...I haven't seen much of anything coming from it. No offense to the starter.

[woundingchaney]

Can you name one? I cannot think of any that is truly MS innovation or creation


MS Office/Word

Or any of the abundance of software for programming.

[masonite]

he criticises sony for having a similar online strategy, then criticises them for not having a game similar to GOW or Halo...he's running out of straws...

anyway though, i think everyone has had their 2 minutes of hate on this thread, perhaps its time to close?

[Red_Eyes]

No. Not yet. Let me hate first. Then close. Lol.
Basically, he's just talking out of his ass.

[VG Aficionado]

MS Office/Word:huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPerfect

[stanDarsh]

why people why?