Sony Claims NO downgrades in PS3 Specs.

[makeitlookreal]

Recently, a chat was held at Playstation.com

I did not attend this chat, but the transcript can be found here.

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3daily&thread.id=34&jump=true

The Sony Representitive claims ALL the specs are out and there have been NO downgrades.


Gamefanatic16: SONY Inside Guy: Have there been any downgrades tot he ps3 hardware, and when will the specs be realesed?
SONY Inside Guy: To Gamefanatic16: there has been no downgrades to the PS3

Muhammad*Ali: When will the specs be released?
SONY Inside Guy: To Muhammad*Ali: All the specs on the PS3 are out, though, the media just got their units today, so check out the popular gaming sites online for full deep dive reviews of the system

I hereby challenge Sony to prove that all the specs are out and there have been NO downgrades by updating all of their online specification sheets and websites.

I CHALLENGE YOU SONY!

Don't you realize that we don't have the specs for the RSX, XDR, GDDR3, the speed of the Blu-ray drive is missing on Playstation.com, and all the performance data that was given at E3 of 2005 has not been updated? It's all MISSING and GONE.

The performance data. The specs. The bandwidths.

Tons of information, GONE.

I CHALLENGE YOU SONY.

Prove your claims.

[Carn]

I doubt that even some developers know the exact specs, since it's hardly relevant.

[Fats]

*yawn*

Again with the specs?

[LaLiLuLeLo]

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[makeitlookreal]

Look, this was on the official playstation.com website.

This guy was officially representing Sony.

He claims NO downgrades and that ALL the specs are out.

Obviously all the specs are NOT out.

We have MUCH less than even what we had at E3 of 2005.

Also, it's fairly common knowledge now in certain circles that the PS3 has been downgraded.

Now, I still think the system rocks. It's awsome. I could care LESS about the downgrade.

But I do care if they are LYING to their customers on their official website.

[Diresu]

Its funny how people can make comments about it being downgraded without actually having one or having any inside access to Sony. Sounds like baseless rumor to me. The only thing that even implies it could have been downgraded is that they aren't releasing the specs...which really proves nothing.

[xbdestroya]

The problem here is that the Sony rep is just a rep, and the audience he's speaking to is overly fanatical and hangs on every word.

For example, a Sony exec recently stated that PS3 upscales DVDs... but it doesn't.

RSX has been 'downgraded,' and I challenge anyone who wants to hold out on that point to make their case. Diresu if people like you wish to continue being uber-dense, then either start reading some of the more technical threads where this stuff gets explained, or start providing what you feel are the signs that point to RSX still being the same speed.

PS - To say that 'Sony' is claiming that there has been no downgrade when some random guy on a forum is the one taking that position is to not understand corporate culture whatsoever. I've spoken to devs and Sony employees directly - ones who know their way around a devkit and aren't just PR puppets - and let's just say I'm saying the same thing now I've said for months in terms of the clocks.

I'm <-- this --> close to putting a total thread moratorium on RSX spec discussion.

[VideoGame mania]

Is anybody here from japan? the specs should be in PS3 manual.Come on people,why it's taking so long?

[xbdestroya]

Is anybody here from japan? the specs should be in PS3 manual.Come on people,why it's taking so long?

Why would it be there?

[VideoGame mania]

Why would it be there?

why not? in PS2 manual you can see the specifications,power consumption ect.
Do you have a better idea?

[Fats]

I don't think that the specifications are that specific though are they (regarding the PS2 manual)? I would imagine that the case is the same with the manual for the PS3.

[frosty]

Don't do that, we deserve the freedom to discuss whatever we want on these boards, no matter how out there it may be, so long as it's PS3 related. The concept of having our discussions censored just because someone doesn't agree with the subject matter doesn't sit well with me. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on the matter. PS3's specs aren't important at all. However, for those that seem to base their lives around them, let em' have it. Maybe make a spec discussion thread and restrict any and all speculation on specs to it. I know you may feel like it's breeding ignorance, and to an extent I can agree, but let em' have it.

[VideoGame mania]

I doubt that even some developers know the exact specs, since it's hardly relevant.

Knowing that PS3 has 256mb of RAM instead of 512mb isn't relevant to the devs? :susp:
Developers must know everything about the hardware they are working on.
By the way,when does the embargo end,so the developers can reveal all?

[PhYmon]

MILR I thought u were over this already.. :(

[FantasyGhost]

I haven't seen any Japanees on here since the launch ;) They're enjoying their systems too much i guess. Viano, haven't seen him since launch. ddaryl posted some pics today. Who else is from Japan?

[VG Aficionado]

Are these threads really necessary?

[rog27]

The problem here is that the Sony rep is just a rep, and the audience he's speaking to is overly fanatical and hangs on every word.

For example, a Sony exec recently stated that PS3 upscales DVDs... but it doesn't.

RSX has been 'downgraded,' and I challenge anyone who wants to hold out on that point to make their case. Diresu if people like you wish to continue being uber-dense, then either start reading some of the more technical threads where this stuff gets explained, or start providing what you feel are the signs that point to RSX still being the same speed.

PS - To say that 'Sony' is claiming that there has been no downgrade when some random guy on a forum is the one taking that position is to not understand corporate culture whatsoever. I've spoken to devs and Sony employees directly - ones who know their way around a devkit and aren't just PR puppets - and let's just say I'm saying the same thing now I've said for months in terms of the clocks.

I'm <-- this --> close to putting a total thread moratorium on RSX spec discussion.

There is more to this than you think XB (althought its all moot, anyway). The physical parts contained within PS3 are actually classed at their advertised speed (550 mhz & 700 Mhz DDR), but they are governed (effective rated) at the downclocked rates (500 mhz & 650 mhz DDR). Essentially, to make milr happy, and these threads stop, the physical parts in your ps3 went through no downgrade....but they got 'PSP'd', for lack of a better word. Meaning, their use is artifically restricted by development standards enforced by Sony.
Take it as you will.

[jaxmkii]

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[Diresu]

RSX has been 'downgraded,' and I challenge anyone who wants to hold out on that point to make their case. Diresu if people like you wish to continue being uber-dense, then either start reading some of the more technical threads where this stuff gets explained, or start providing what you feel are the signs that point to RSX still being the same speed.



Wow, talk about touchy. Calm down. All I was saying is that the rumor of the downgrade has been going around forever and I have not seen any actuall site prove it. I heared about the Clock speed being lowered on the RSX but thats it. While I am not denying that it was done, or possible I am just not getting bitchy about every little comment concerning the specs. Personally I preffer to wait for it to be out so the websites that do this for a living like Beyond3d etc take a look at it and hopefully then the truth will surface. Until then it seems to be nothing but speculation. You were reading a bit to much into what I said.

[makeitlookreal]

First of all,

I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE EXACT RSX SPECS.

I'm curious, but it doesn't matter to me that much.

The PS3 games are fantastic and the exact specs don't matter.

But that guy struck a nerve.

He must have common sense. He should not say all the specs are out when they are not.

I felt insulted. It's like... here I am comparing what we were given at E3 of 2005 to the current specs and he starts saying they are all out there?! It's a joke.

[xbdestroya]

There is more to this than you think XB (althought its all moot, anyway). The physical parts contained within PS3 are actually classed at their advertised speed (550 mhz & 700 Mhz DDR), but they are governed (effective rated) at the downclocked rates (500 mhz & 650 mhz DDR). Essentially, to make milr happy, and these threads stop, the physical parts in your ps3 went through no downgrade....but they got 'PSP'd', for lack of a better word. Meaning, their use is artifically restricted by development standards enforced by Sony.
Take it as you will.

Well that's not really any different than what I think at all. I feel almost as if I should compile my previous posts on the subject into a comprehensive anthology such that there be no confusion. ;)

Obviously RSX could be clocked at 500, 550, 600, or 700... it's all within the realm of possibilities for the physical chip within the PS3. But it's a matter of voltage, a matter of wattage, and a matter of heat. It's also a matter of yields of x speed at y voltage; and in the context of all of this, Sony has decided that 500Mhz is the sweetspot within the above criteria.

RSX the chip hasn't been downgraded, but the speed of the graphics chip in the PS3 has relative to E3 '05 - there are subtle differences, but in there there's a downgrade somewhere.

Also I'm not sure 'PSPd' is the right way to put it either; most of us who follow know that PSPs chips can be upclocked at some point in the future - but PS3's chips never will.

[Kabbage]

I knew it was a mistake taking this guy off of my ignore list.

*Corrects Mistake*

[Kabbage]

Well that's not really any different than what I think at all. I feel almost as if I should compile my previous posts on the subject into a comprehensive anthology such that there be no confusion. ;)

Sony has decided that 500Mhz is the sweetspot within the above criteria.

RSX the chip hasn't been downgraded, but the speed of the graphics chip in the PS3 has relative to E3 '05 - there are subtle differences, but in there there's a downgrade somewhere.


and I would like to see your back-up of such claims. You arent above that because you have an orange name and claim to have spoken to dev who arent puppets.

[Sypher]

Jesus christ!! Just 6 more days and you all will SHUT UP AND PLAY!! At this point anyone who doesnt have MILR on their ignore list is just looking for a headache.

[LaLiLuLeLo]

Your words are poignant.
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[masteratt]

Yeah yeah, Sony says a lot of things.

Let's all just enjoy the console now* :)



*If you are in Europe, "Now" means March. Or maybe even later.

[ionicbluebird]

Well that's not really any different than what I think at all. I feel almost as if I should compile my previous posts on the subject into a comprehensive anthology such that there be no confusion. ;)

That would be cool actually, seeing as you have the inside scoop many of us don't have.

I just have two questions for you... can the RSX do AA and HDR at the same time as the G80 can.

And, is there anything from the G80 implemented in RSX? the new anti-aliasing meathod perhaps?

Thanks

[xbdestroya]

That would be cool actually, seeing as you have the inside scoop many of us don't have.

I just have two questions for you... can the RSX do AA and HDR at the same time as the G80 can.

And, is there anything from the G80 implemented in RSX? the new anti-aliasing meathod perhaps?

Thanks

The RSX can do HDR and AA at the same time, but I think in the way you're thinking about - the traditional G70/G71 MSAA/FP16 issue - it needs to be worked around via other means. That doesn't mean it can't be done and isn't being done, because it is, just that it's not due to an architectural correction such as the one you're refering to with G80.

If you know about the NAO32 thing, then you know of one way to do it.

No and I wouldn't view RSX as related to G80 at all either. That doesn't mean it's just G71-based, just that it's not G80-based.

[cliffbo]

saying all the specs remain the same does not infer that all the specs were ever made available. he's just countering any fud that may have been spread. remember Sony are now going to make sure that the facts are known and won't allow others to spread fud with impunity.

[Siraris]

I read the Playstation Guy interview, and someone is lying.

He claims that the eject/power buttons are heat sensitive, everyone else says they aren't.

He says there will be 20 launch games, everyone else says 13.

He says any BT headset will work, IGN and whatnot say they don't.

He says it will play any region game, according to IGN it won't play Japanese games on the US PS3.

So who do I believe?

And I would have liked to have ask him why the Motorstorm demo at Best Buy SUCKS (graphics are nothing special, framerate is pitiful, controls aren't great), why the Sixaxis doesn't come with a USB cable (I'm supposed to use one cable to charge multiple controllers?) and why all the PS3 games are getting 6's on review sites, when 360 games were mostly getting 8's and 9's.

[venomv]

I read the Playstation Guy interview, and someone is lying.

He claims that the eject/power buttons are heat sensitive, everyone else says they aren't.

He says there will be 20 launch games, everyone else says 13.

He says any BT headset will work, IGN and whatnot say they don't.

He says it will play any region game, according to IGN it won't play Japanese games on the US PS3.

So who do I believe?

I have heard both sides on the bottons, but they seem to be touch, not heat sensitive. I doubt launch games are as low as 13. BT headsets don't work yet. It will play Japanese PS3 games, but not PS2/1.

[amuront]

Well at least this bluetooth headset is working.
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[SevenDesigns]

I read the Playstation Guy interview, and someone is lying.

He claims that the eject/power buttons are heat sensitive, everyone else says they aren't.

He says there will be 20 launch games, everyone else says 13.

He says any BT headset will work, IGN and whatnot say they don't.

He says it will play any region game, according to IGN it won't play Japanese games on the US PS3.

So who do I believe?

And I would have liked to have ask him why the Motorstorm demo at Best Buy SUCKS (graphics are nothing special, framerate is pitiful, controls aren't great), why the Sixaxis doesn't come with a USB cable (I'm supposed to use one cable to charge multiple controllers?) and why all the PS3 games are getting 6's on review sites, when 360 games were mostly getting 8's and 9's.

You're joking right? The lowest score I saw was for Genji and that's a good game. Why do you care what these sites have to say about games? Sure it's something to consider, but in the end you have to try them yourself.

Most of the games that people care about are above 8.

As for Motorstorm, you're playing an early build without all that fancy shit turned on. This happened with the Xbox360 launch titles aswell. [Motorstorm isn't actually a launch title, fyi]. They were full of jaggies, framerate issues, etc... but when you finally got them in your house on your own Xbox360, those problems were nearly non existant.

Play a final build of a game.

ps: Your biggest problem is believing IGN or any other site over a guy who works for Sony.

[xbdestroya]

ps: Your biggest problem is believing IGN or any other site over a guy who works for Sony.

Not disagreeing with anything else, but how does this logic make sense?

If you were going to treat as suspect subjective information, obviously the single most suspect source would be sources from within the company itself. It's like hearing Peter Moore say that 360 is the best system out there; does one place stock in that because Peter Moore said it?

Same thing here.

This Sony employee was engaged in a PR stunt, nothing less, nothing more.