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Michael Bluth
03-05-2003, 02:43 PM
Microsoft taking Xbox into arcades

By Dean Takahashi
Mercury News

Hoping to open another avenue for its video games and broaden its front in the war against Sony and Nintendo, Microsoft is expected to take its Xbox game console into arcades later this year.

The project, code-named Chihiro after the heroine of the Japanese anime film ``Spirited Away,'' has been in the works for a couple of years. Microsoft and Sega announced in fall 2001 that they would jointly create arcade machines based on the Xbox technology. But the partners have been quiet since that time.

Now the project is closer to fruition. When Microsoft and graphics-chip maker Nvidia settled their price dispute on chips for the Xbox, the agreement included plans for the Santa Clara chip maker to provide Microsoft with chips for arcade machines.

A Microsoft games source said the appeal of the arcade is the opportunity to sell more games and the chance to extend the Xbox brand as the coolest gaming experience. While hundreds of console games are released each year, only several dozen arcade games are released. The arcade titles influence the kind of console games that fans buy.

Exclusive titles
Moreover, if Microsoft can get Sega to switch off its current Dreamcast-based arcade technology, dubbed Naomi, then it can lock up more exclusive titles that could be instantly converted to run on the Xbox.

For the arcade product, Nvidia probably will supply the same graphics chip it provides for the Xbox home console. In part, that's because the quality of the Xbox graphics engine is considered more than adequate to power a cool arcade machine, though the machine will have more main memory chips than the 64 megabytes in the Xbox to accommodate fast-action arcade graphics.

Microsoft also will find other ways to stuff more capability into an arcade machine, which typically costs $4,000 to $16,000, compared with the $199 Xbox.

Not wanting to be left out, both Nintendo and Sony also are working on arcade versions of their console machines. Sony has shown the ``Tekken 4'' fighting game on an arcade machine based on the PlayStation 2, and Sega recently showed a version of its ``F-Zero'' flying game running on an arcade machine based on Nintendo's GameCube console.

Shigeru Miyamoto, Nintendo's top game developer and a senior managing director, said ``F-Zero'' would allow someone to take a game stored on a GameCube and put it in an arcade system, allowing the player to resume a home console game on the arcade machine.

Perrin Kaplan, vice president of corporate affairs at Nintendo, said the company hasn't decided whether to launch the arcade machine in the United States.

Big risks
The arcade business carries big risks. Eddie Adlum, publisher of arcade magazine RePlay, said arcades have been in decline ever since the rise of console gaming. About a decade ago, he estimates there were 10,000 arcades, but that number has since dropped to about 3,000. Hit games such as ``Ms. Pacman'' once sold 100,000 machines, but today, typical hits sell maybe 4,000 to 6,000 units, Adlum said.

Sega Enterprises, which has agreed to merge with pachinko-machine giant Sammy, and Namco remain the biggest players in arcades, but many Japanese rivals have exited the business.

Microsoft and Intel tried to restore life to arcades in 1997 using PC technology in the machines, but the effort drew few converts.

``Everyone thought that Microsoft would be the salvation of a declining industry,'' Adlum said. ``It looked good for about 10 minutes and then nothing happened.''

Xbox's strength
Lately, the rise of online gaming, especially in Asia, has transformed many arcades from stand-alone machines to networks of connected computers where players can play against each other or anyone else over the Internet. That transition plays to the Xbox's strength, since it is primed for broadband gaming, and it also plays to Microsoft's strong relationship with Sega, which is a big supporter of online gaming.

Microsoft reported Tuesday that more than 350,000 gamers have subscribed to its Xbox Live online service since its launch in November. Those gamers have logged more than 15.7 million hours playing games on the service. On March 14, Microsoft will extend the service to Europe.

Microsoft has talked numerous times to Sega about buying the Japanese company, and Sega used Microsoft's Windows CE software in its defunct Dreamcast console.

``We think that the arcade business shows some signs of revival, particularly in Japan,'' said a Microsoft gaming source. And that's where the Xbox needs the most help, since it is a distant third in that market to Sony and Nintendo.


http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/5319668.htm


Hm.............. maybe they're thinking about buying Sega out and letting them run that division? That sounds like it'd be a mighty good plan.

HolyPaladin
03-05-2003, 04:00 PM
Before you know it, Microsoft will bring out a line of automobiles and take over the automotive industry. From there it will head to appliances until every mechanical device in your house has a Microsoft butterfly on it. Then it is on to clothing and finally to restaraunts and department stores, of course selling nothing but Microsoft products. It is their step-by-step ascention to owning the world, one industry at a time.

Michael Bluth
03-05-2003, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by HolyPaladin
Before you know it, Microsoft will bring out a line of automobiles and take over the automotive industry. From there it will head to appliances until every mechanical device in your house has a Microsoft butterfly on it. Then it is on to clothing and finally to restaraunts and department stores, of course selling nothing but Microsoft products. It is their step-by-step ascention to owning the world, one industry at a time.

That would be friggin' awesome.

Furry_Dice
03-05-2003, 05:20 PM
Wow, I wonder where Microshaft got that idea from *cough* Triforce *cough*

Michael Bluth
03-05-2003, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by j00_momma
Wow, I wonder where Microshaft got that idea from *cough* Triforce *cough*


The project, code-named Chihiro after the heroine of the Japanese anime film ``Spirited Away,'' has been in the works for a couple of years. Microsoft and Sega announced in fall 2001 that they would jointly create arcade machines based on the Xbox technology. But the partners have been quiet since that time.


You're such a moron, Tendo. :rolleyes:

Furry_Dice
03-05-2003, 05:24 PM
And Microshaft is any smarter? So far all games made by Sega that are on XBOX have sold diddly squat so I'm hoping this shitty arcade will fold even faster. ;)

Michael Bluth
03-05-2003, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by j00_momma
And Microshaft is any smarter? So far all games made by Sega that are on XBOX have sold diddly squat so I'm hoping this shitty arcade will fold even faster. ;)


........... except the sports games, which will still be on the XBox this year. :o

Furry_Dice
03-05-2003, 05:42 PM
Sports games?? Are you shitting me? Sega sports games and EA sports games can suck my ass. There hasnt been any good sports games since NHL98 on PC and NFL 2K1 on DC. Triforce has way more support than Chihiro has anyways.

Nintendo + Sega + Namco = Pure Bliss

Microshaft + Sega = Some overhyped shit that still looks like its running off of a DC

Dont get me wrong Phanty, because I love Sega to death, but all their titles on XBOX have sucked my ball sacks and sold like shit.

Michael Bluth
03-05-2003, 06:10 PM
I bet you've never even played a Sega game on the XBox. Obviously you don't know what will be running on their arcade board, such titles as Virtua Cop 3, OutRun 2, and Spikeout X-treme.

Prince
03-05-2003, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by j00_momma
Microshaft + Sega = Some overhyped shit that still looks like its running off of a DC

Thats funny you say that because all of Sega's "Killer" GCN games except Super Monkey Ball were like straight Dreamcast Ports. Skies of Arcadia, Sonic Adventure 2, etc.

Xbox got Panzer Dragoon Orta, you waz 0wn3d!

Furry_Dice
03-06-2003, 01:14 AM
Originally posted by Prince
Thats funny you say that because all of Sega's "Killer" GCN games except Super Monkey Ball were like straight Dreamcast Ports. Skies of Arcadia, Sonic Adventure 2, etc.

Xbox got Panzer Dragoon Orta, you waz 0wn3d!

Not really, since rail shooters suck. I would rather get GOOD ports than a rail shooter.

firefly
03-06-2003, 01:54 AM
Originally posted by Phantagram
The project, code-named Chihiro after the heroine of the Japanese anime film ``Spirited Away,'' has been in the works for a couple of years. Microsoft and Sega announced in fall 2001 that they would jointly create arcade machines based on the Xbox technology. But the partners have been quiet since that time.


You're such a moron, Tendo. :rolleyes: how long do you think the triforce was in development?

coolwiteverybody
03-06-2003, 03:34 AM
XBOX ALREADY IN ARCADES! They had DOA3 in the arcade at the mall...sucked really, the controls were rigged.

Nigel
03-06-2003, 05:39 PM
I don't think they'll even get Sega's support. The whole point of the Triforce is to use the GC's technology to make arcade games. The two companies have been silent since 2001 cause Sega's not gonna help MS.

Michael Bluth
03-06-2003, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by Nigel
I don't think they'll even get Sega's support. The whole point of the Triforce is to use the GC's technology to make arcade games. The two companies have been silent since 2001 cause Sega's not gonna help MS.


....... VirtuaCop 3, OutRun 2, Spikeout X-treme, etc. are all in the works right now.

coolwiteverybody
03-06-2003, 09:47 PM
^ Don't sound very interestin, no offense if your a fanatic

Michael Bluth
03-06-2003, 09:52 PM
They wouldn't be if you don't play arcade games.

Bryan
03-07-2003, 07:11 PM
You disappoint me, Adam. I thought you were going into arcades..

Prince
03-07-2003, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Phantagram
....... VirtuaCop 3, OutRun 2, Spikeout X-treme, etc. are all in the works right now.

House of the Dead 3 and Crazy Taxi 3 was supposed to be running on that hardware also...both by Sega.

advancemonkey
03-07-2003, 09:58 PM
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, lets get some nintendo games in the arcades then i might care.

Carlos
03-08-2003, 04:05 AM
Originally posted by j00_momma
Not really, since rail shooters suck. I would rather get GOOD ports than a rail shooter.

Obviously, you have NEVER played the game, nor its previous installements. I love the Panzer Dragoon Series....I hate your stupid remarks on rail shooters. :mad:

coolwiteverybody
03-08-2003, 04:15 AM
Originally posted by Nintendo X
Obviously, you have NEVER played the game, nor its previous installements. I love the Panzer Dragoon Series....I hate your stupid remarks on rail shooters. :mad:

I beg ta differ, Rail Shooters suck, especially after my experience with "Forsaken" on PS1, no wonda why it was only $7

Carlos
03-08-2003, 04:21 AM
I don't look at Forsaken as a rail shooter....I look at it as a first person flying game.....since the game doesn't block from backtracking, transparent walls (you know, when you are in the sky, and there's a lot of room for you to roam, but there is a limit, thus, I call it transparent walls.), it doesn't force you to go forward.....Panzer Dragoon does that, but Forsaken allows you to roam the entire game....backtracking allowed, and stuff.....

I think Rail Shooters tend to be straitforward, and limited......in a way that I described above.

BrokenLink
03-08-2003, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by HolyPaladin
Before you know it, Microsoft will bring out a line of automobiles and take over the automotive industry.

They'd crash every 10 minutes. :p

Thats a pun. :roll:

Sendok
03-09-2003, 03:08 AM
^ very funny

Hey, maybe now we will finally get a new Killer Instinct!!!
since Rare is with MS, you never know.
But, Rare will probably delay the game so much that it wont come out for 3-4 years with all the other projects they are working on.

Prince
03-09-2003, 05:13 AM
Originally posted by nayrk
Hey, maybe now we will finally get a new Killer Instinct!!!


I guarantee they will bring it back..but not until Xbox 2.

5 rare games on Xbox 1...and another "surprise MMORPG" i hear. But maybe the MMORPG will be an Xbox 2 game.

Glenn2K4
03-16-2003, 09:00 AM
a new Killer Instinct would be great -- hopefully something to Tekken par . . :p , but until then . .

sonicVSmario
03-24-2003, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by Phantagram
The project, code-named Chihiro after the heroine of the Japanese anime film ``Spirited Away,'' has been in the works for a couple of years. Microsoft and Sega announced in fall 2001 that they would jointly create arcade machines based on the Xbox technology. But the partners have been quiet since that time.


You're such a moron, Tendo. :rolleyes:

Nintendo's not a moron, they have the TRIforce, Nintendo, Namco, and Sega...It will KILL chibohomo or whatever..and M$ couldnt know about that name, Bill Gates is American...Wanna know what i think aboy Bil Gates?:barf:

Michael Bluth
03-24-2003, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by sonicVSmario
Nintendo's not a moron, they have the TRIforce, Nintendo, Namco, and Sega...It will KILL chibohomo or whatever..and M$ couldnt know about that name, Bill Gates is American...Wanna know what i think aboy Bil Gates?:barf:

"Tendo" is a forum poster, not Nintendo. I'm American, what's your point?

Furry_Dice
03-24-2003, 02:59 AM
If Rare made Killer Instinct for XBOX I would buy one. Yes I really did just say that...

Michael Bluth
03-24-2003, 03:01 AM
Rare is planning on bringing quite a few of their old series back, that I do know for sure. So maybe you'll be in luck ;)

coolwiteverybody
03-25-2003, 01:07 AM
Nintendo losing Rare sucks

Prince
03-25-2003, 07:10 AM
Killer Instinct should be an arcade/Xbox game. Hook the peeps in the arcade and do something cool like Nintendo did w/ F-Zero and the memory cards being able to hook up at arcades.

loser
03-25-2003, 11:00 AM
Rare is Nothing without Nintendo Face it Starfox adventures sucked the fat one!!

Vaginal Discharge
03-26-2003, 01:57 AM
Arcades are about as fun as...

Michael Bluth
03-26-2003, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by Link
Rare is Nothing without Nintendo Face it Starfox adventures sucked the fat one!!

Uh........... SFA was made because of Nintendo, so I don't see where you're going with that one. And Price, their arcades will have XBox Live built-in and people will be able to bring their profiles VIA memory cards, or so I heard :D

j_west81
03-29-2003, 06:50 AM
"Uh........... SFA was made because of Nintendo, so I don't see where you're going with that one."

I beg to differ about this, Starfox Adventures was terrible because of Rare, not Nintendo. Originally it was called Dinosaur Planet and had nothing to do with Starfox. Nintendo just had Rare add Nintendo characters to it. They really disappointed me with their crappy Zelda ripoff. For those who are hoping to see more than 1 or 2 games from Rare, don't hold your breath. They delay their games more than any company I have ever seen. Things that are in production now expect to see them on Xbox 2.

Michael Bluth
03-29-2003, 06:55 AM
Yes it was Dinosaur Planet, and it was supposed to come out for the N64, but Nintendo made them add in Starfox and all that crap and move it to the GCN.

Boggy700
03-29-2003, 08:29 AM
what other RPGs have Rare made?

I just wanna see if there's any truth to my theory, that Rare aren't good at making RPGs.


SFA was probably rushed anyway.

Michael Bluth
03-29-2003, 04:05 PM
I don't think Rare has ever made an RPG....... unless I'm forgetting a game.

Space Ghost
03-29-2003, 04:46 PM
You guys are fucking idiots.

j_west81
03-29-2003, 07:56 PM
No they haven't made any RPGs. I think Kameo, or whatever they are calling it will be the closest thing to an RPG. They make platform games and some people like them but not me. They are always to much like treasure hunts.

Space you are really cool. I wish I could be more like you.

Boggy700
03-30-2003, 03:12 AM
yeah, Space Ghost is cool and witty!
he's my hero.

j_west81
04-01-2003, 04:02 PM
The real Space Ghost is cool. Not this impostor!