E-mpire Speaks

[Mach]

I'd like everyone serious about the game industry to read this editorial.
http://nintendonow.e-mpire.com/index.php?categoryid=6&m_articles_articleid=3955

A Purist Gamer's Manifesto is the definitive E-mpire Network declaration. It lays out exactly why we do what we do and where we'll be going in the future.

I would like to hear your thoughts on the many topics discussed in this article as well.

E-mpire's throwing down the gauntlet.

[Gookanheimer]

That was a great read. I'm going to e-mail that link to my local gaming mag, they should like that.

[Mach]

Thanks for your support. If they want to syndicate it, I'll be more than happy to work with them. Tell them to contact us.

The idea is not about site hits but rather getting the word out on our industry position.

[Carlos]

That was a great read.
Yeah it is. Its also crazy. That article was like, written by a Harvard student or something.

Once again, Mr. Gornoski:

NX Evolved (6:42:04 PM): You should already be working for a game magazine....
NX Evolved (6:42:24 PM): THAT article belongs in a magazine.

[koten]

That was a damn fine read. It raises a lot of good points and looks at the industry in ways I never have.

Deffinatly worth any serious gamers time.

[Phoenix]

Everything that needs to be said on the topic summed up in one convenient article.

[Mach]

What topic specifically?

[Carlos]

Your article, Mach, your article.

[Hylian-Advocate]

It was a fantastic read ....allbeit a little on the lengthy side...hahahha...

Well done David.

I hope the gaming industry reaches that true point of equalibrium some day.

[Flare]

Good read. Better than I expected to be honest. You made your stance as a "Purist Gamer" obvious without completely bashing the other side (though it is clear that you are a tad bit disgusted ;) ). Nice work.
:clapping:

[Mach]

What do you think your boy Matt is?

Im thinking he tilts to the H side.

[Flare]

What do you think your boy Matt is?

Im thinking he tilts to the H side.

Nahhh, there is just no way. He is way too giddy about the potential of the Wii to tilt to the H side. He even admitted that the Oooo Ahhh effect of the Xbox 360 wore off on him quickly.

I'd say that Matt is like most Nintendo loyalists. They lean towards the Purist side but at the same time are frustrated with Nintendo's stubbornness when it comes to minor H-side changes. I mean really, who really doesn't ever want to see Zelda with voice acting?

It seems like with Nintendo you always have to make a choice of where you stand. Just way more than you would with Sony or Microsoft. That is pretty disappointing for a company that has always felt a need to involve every crowd in the enjoyment of video games.

[Mach]

I do think Matt is evolving once again...He seems to have been convinced by the success of the DS Lite and his lackluster experiences with the 360, that his worship of HD resolutions (remember his famous "car's engine" analogy?) and realism isn't as important in gaming as he once thought.

But I think he's probably right down the middle with a slight tilt to the H-side still.


Then you've got people like the G4TV Attack of the Show staff and Tommy Tallarico that are blatantly Hollywoodization supporters. No question about it.

[Hylian-Advocate]

^Matt's perfectly fine in my book as aof late....

but you're right about G4... I can stand all the talk about the PS3 and nothingabout the Wii...

It's so strange becuase everywhere else.... the Wii is dominating the press.

[Mach]

But its not about Wii and PS3.

Its about a debate between two dominating views of the industry.

And there's nothing wrong with those press outlets or journalists who subscribe largely to a H-style view of the industry. That's perfectly fine.

What is a problem is the silencing and branding of purist gaming concepts as backwards, extreme, or even fanboyish.

[Hylian-Advocate]

well....that's sorta what I meant.... the only reason they are talking about the PS3 so much is becuase they only like to promote the H-style and not the purist...

They havn't even talked about the Wii and how it aims to shift the gaming industry away from just uber graphics and into a more gameplay focused arena.

In my mind....promoting one side (the H-side) and not the other is a bad thing for the industry.

[Phoenix]

What topic specifically?The idea of purist vs. superficialist ideals.

[Bowser]

Excellent job Mach. You've launched a broadside across the hull of the gaming industry. I think you speak for the vast majority of us who are tired of seeing who promote style over substance. Well done.

[Flare]

The idea of purist vs. superficialist ideals.

Heh heh. You know these names could use some work to make them wreak of less bias. I mean one side is "pure" and the other is "superficial/hollywoodized" (negative connotation).

How bout

Purist = Allied Gaming Alliance
Superficialist = Allied Gaming Allegiance

:thumbl: Yay for Southpark references.

[Mach]

But then again, close to half the population probably thinks of the mainstream Hollywood movie industry in a positive light.

[[Daniel Primed]]

Fabulous read. I really enjoyed it. Mailed it out to 15 of my friends and will prolly post it out a bit more at other places.

(@Mach) I sorted out the issues with my mate, you just can't get past his fixed idea on something, so he wouldn't mention anything about the articles contents. He's so damn persistent.

[venomv]

But then again, close to half the population probably thinks of the mainstream Hollywood movie industry in a positive light.

I think it has a negative connotation for the majority of people, but that doesn't make it wrong, it is an accurate description.

Hollywood: noun - a flashy vulgar tone or atmosphere believed to be characteristic of the American film industry
adj. - flashy and vulgar

[Phoenix]

Heh heh. You know these names could use some work to make them wreak of less bias. I mean one side is "pure" and the other is "superficial/hollywoodized" (negative connotation).

How bout

Purist = Allied Gaming Alliance
Superficialist = Allied Gaming Allegiance

:thumbl: Yay for Southpark references.I originally planned on making a comment on the 3 A's, but then I realized that it just doesn't work with an idea starting with "G". :(

Seriously though, I'd love it if someone could come up with better words.

[Gookanheimer]

Er... Galvanised Gaming Group?

[Mach]

Nah, purist/traditionalist gaming and Hollywoodization/MTVization is the most accurate depiction of both industry movements.


I know for a fact that many Americans see nothing negative about Hollywood. Same goes for MTV. And while some may think purist and traditionalist are positive terms, I know many that would link that to the negative Puritanism or reactionary terms.

[Ch1cago88]

I absolutely can’t stand MTV. None of there shows are thought provoking, and they always seem to display a world and life they wish kids to live by. You know what, it works too. Good read.

[Flare]

Nah, purist/traditionalist gaming and Hollywoodization/MTVization is the most accurate depiction of both industry movements.

Plenty of Americans are disgusted by the direction of Hollywood and especially MTV these days. One is associated with the superficial and one is associated with ignorant teeny-boppers. But it isn't the most fitting direction simply because they are too specific compared to the ambiguity of the "purist/traditionalist" terms. We might as well use "The Flintstonites/Omish Gaming League" for those with purist/traditionalist views.
:shrug:

[Mach]

Plenty of Americans are disgusted by the direction of Hollywood and especially MTV these days. One is associated with the superficial and one is associated with ignorant teeny-boppers. But it isn't the most fitting direction simply because they are too specific compared to the ambiguity of the "purist/traditionalist" terms. We might as well use "The Flintstonites/Omish Gaming League" for those with purist/traditionalist views.
:shrug:

You still aren't proving any thing though. Names are names. These names aren't perfect but they fit the best. And if you want to continue to believe that there's no sizable audience of Americans that think of Hollywood in a good light, than you're living in a dream world. End of story.

[Flare]

You still aren't proving any thing though.

I beg to differ. But if you can't understand my point then maybe I shouldn't waste anymore of both of our time.

Names are names.

Names are words, or at least a combination of words to create a specific idea. And words have a certain amount of power.

These names aren't perfect but they fit the best.

Hey, you're entitled to your opinion. And of course it is your editorial. :shrug:

And if you want to continue to believe that there's no sizable audience of Americans that think of Hollywood in a bad light, than you're living in a dream world.

My version, directed at you. Heh.

End of story.

:cheers:

[Mach]

I beg to differ. But if you can't understand my point then maybe I shouldn't waste anymore of both of our time.



Names are words, or at least a combination of words to create a specific idea. And words have a certain amount of power.



Hey, you're entitled to your opinion. And of course it is your editorial. :shrug:



My version, directed at you. Heh.



:cheers:


The point is you have no argument.

To debate the terms used to loosely define two differing philosophies is pointless and trivial. It matters not. It's the same insanity that fuels someone bickering over the term "conservative" and "liberal." Most people know that most conservatives want liberal military spending. And they also want to reform Social Security, a progressive move.

So of course there's going to be little things you can pick at a name about. But people still accept the term conservative to define that segment of society that holds views that are linked by a similar philosophy.

I clearly stated that Purist gaming and Hollywoodization are not perfect terms. But they get the job done well.


And your last statement again makes no sense....I just got done implying several times that Hollywoodization is a negative term to many people. But so is purist or traditionalist to other people. And then I went on to say that purist/traditionalism have good connotations to many others...the same as Hollywoodization.

You gotta look a little more carefully at what posts or what not you're actually trying to debate.

[Flare]

The point is you have no argument.

To debate the terms used to loosely define two differing philosophies is pointless and trivial. It matters not. It's the same insanity that fuels someone bickering over the term "conservative" and "liberal." Most people know that most conservatives want liberal military spending. And they also want to reform Social Security, a progressive move.

So of course there's going to be little things you can pick at a name about. But people still accept the term conservative to define that segment of society that holds views that are linked by a similar philosophy.

I clearly stated that Purist gaming and Hollywoodization are not perfect terms. But they get the job done well.


And your last statement again makes no sense....I just got done implying several times that Hollywoodization is a negative term to many people. But so is purist or traditionalist to other people. And then I went on to say that purist/traditionalism have good connotations to many others...the same as Hollywoodization.

You gotta look a little more carefully at what posts or what not you're actually trying to debate.

See, my argument was never about exposing the names as inaccurate, but simply suggesting that they have too much of a negative connotation to be used in future discussion regarding the two philosophies.

We can agree that Hollywoodization may be a negative word to some while positive to others, but I simply don't agree the the same is true for purist/traditionalism terms. Especially "purist". I don't see how anyone would link that with the Puritan philosophy. Am I nitpicking? Maybe. But what it comes down to is me simply not liking the names. And this is me explaning why.
:shrug:

[Mach]

Traditionalist...Ever heard that used in politics? Many stark liberals or progressives would definately view a traditionalist in a negative light.

And again, the purist term can have a negative connotation to sound almost anti-progress/change/new.

But at least you're seeing eye to eye with what I've been trying to explain this whole time.

[Crosman]

Mach,

I would like to say that your article is amazing. You have read my mind on all your subjects.

I would also like to say that you gave me some really good idea's for my future in college. I am a writer in training and because of your article, I have figured out a great idea that could possibly pull more purist gamers back to the bunch.

I read many gaming magazines but I usually get the same results form all of them. This includes EGM, Game pro, Game informer etc. They are great for all gamers of the future. I know, with a really good magazine that covers the past and future, gamers will reunite. I could rediscover the cover art, the comics, the past in general and then give the most efficient reviews and previews for the upcoming era. Interviews with real gamers and publishers...

This may all sound somewhat of a dream...But, its reality, Dreaming is only the first step.

I will be working on some really good idea's and hopefully share most of them this January.

[Mach]

I see that Crosman's post is a few days old now, but I just saw it.

Very good idea. Take a hold of it and go for it.

And if you want to become a game journalist superstar, especially for the purist gaming cause, E-mpire is your ticket.