Xbox 360 last weekends winner ?

[gljvd]

The Xbox 360 was the big winner this past weekend as the Nintendo Wii and Sony PlayStation 3 systems were in short supply

Some good old-fashioned marketing and one heck of a bundle deal could prove to be the shot of adrenaline that the Xbox 360 needed to boost its system sales here in North America.

Bill Gates told the world about six months ago that Halo 3 would be released day and date with the PlayStation 3, but that proved to be more of a smoke screen than a promise.

Retailers and analysts across North America confirm that the hottest selling gaming console this past weekend was the Xbox 360.

In Canada Microsoft Game Studios was offering a three game deal with a system with a 20GB hard drive and an extra controller at one retailer for $449.99. One of the free games was Gears of War and when that sold out gamers could get the new Splinter Cell, Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter and Xbox Live Arcade: Unplugged.

A quick trip around to several stores on Sunday saw all Nintendo Wii systems sold out, but the majority of gamers who were coming to get a Wii or a PlayStation 3 were taking advantage of the $449.99 Xbox 360 deal.

Microsoft also dropped the price of several of their Xbox 360 games and peripherals to try and out-market Sony and Nintendo.

As a result gamers will be hard-pressed to find an Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 or a Nintendo Wii on store shelves at least for the rest of this week.

"Retailers had a great four-day run and pretty much everything is gone. Sony dropped the ball and Nintendo didn't do that much better," said one Great Canadian Superstore electronics store manager who wished to remain anonymous. "They over-promised and under delivered in terms of the quantity of Wii systems that were available. Sony on the other hand warned everyone that supplies would be severely limited. Microsoft was the big winner. They had lots of systems and they had them priced right with game bundles that gamers were interested in."



http://games-news.sympatico.msn.ca/Video_Games/BreakingNews/ContentPosting.htm?newsitemid=6874bba7-1c78-4f07-bff5-25738e90510a&feedname=TODD_BREAKINGNEWS&show=true&number=5&showbyline=true&abc=abc

we might see some big sales this nov for ms . i wonder if they can hit a million. All this confirms though that there should have been a pack in this holiday. Graw / pgr3 would have been a good one

and yes i know its msn.com but i doubt they would out right lie and it matches with other shoppers experiances around the web

[dementia]

msn, huh?

I don't doubt the news at all though. Xbox 360 is the choice this holiday season due to it's expansive library.

[Mitri]

i think that some sort of bundle will make the 360 the winner this season. its that lowest priced of the graphical next gen(the wii is next gen but not graphically) and on par with the more expensive ps3 graphically. even the core might sell out if there is a bundle with a wireless controller and a memory card all packaged with it. i think. but the pro system should sell with a game or 2.

my bundles would probably suck but still all they need right now is a good bundle idea and the christmas season is in the bag...hohoho...

[Viper]

So MS sold over 600,000 X360's last week? I so frikkin doubt that.

[gljvd]

who sold 600k last week ? According to Reggie they plan to hit 1m consoles by the first week of december . So nintendo may have moved under 500k (esp if the weekly shipments starting next week of 10+ units are true)

Do you have numbers backing up that 600k ?

[Viper]

JVD, do the math.

600k launch
If they do 100k per week after that you get the following.
700k by Nov 25th
800k by Dec 2
900k by Dec 9

Looking at it that way, they could have done 700k at launch.

I'm simply extrapolating the numbers based on target sales by 2nd week in Dec and target of 100k per week after launch.

[D3adcell]

There is already a bundle. I was at walmart the other day and saw they had the 360 packaged in with Burnout Revenge.

[Bsack]

Hell I was going to buy a 360 off of craigs list, but if this bundle packing is more worth it I might do that. =) I'll be getting Wii soon probably sometime after next week if they actually release.

[gljvd]

JVD, do the math.

600k launch
If they do 100k per week after that you get the following.
700k by Nov 25th
800k by Dec 2
900k by Dec 9

Looking at it that way, they could have done 700k at launch.

I'm simply extrapolating the numbers based on target sales by 2nd week in Dec and target of 100k per week after launch.


Who said 600k though ? I have yet to see offical numbers. it could be lower .

http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21226

Anyway you cut it though if ms sold even half the nintendo numbers they came out a huge winner ahead of sony who by some reports didn't even ship 200k but behind nintendo. However for the month ms way still be up past nintendo even with nintendo shipping 100k a week as ms will have full stock for black friday in the usa and it looks like nintendos next shipment wont hit till next tuesday

[IEatFriedPikmin]

just wait till nintendo actually has wiis to meet demand.

[Generosity of God]

alot of the major retailers are already sitting on their second shipment of Wii units. they are saving them for the black friday rush. and its likely that they'll soon have their third shipment seeing as its the end of the week.

Nintendo is trying to get consoles out to meet demand. its the retailers fault that they arent getting to consumers quicker because they want to make their black friday sales look as big as possible.

i do doubt that 360 outsold Wii for the weekend. but until numbers are released i'm not going to say anything definite. the thing is unless Nintendo had less than 500k units, i find it hard to believe the 360 would outsell it.

[Viper]

Who said 600k though ? I have yet to see offical numbers. it could be lower .

http://gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21226

Anyway you cut it though if ms sold even half the nintendo numbers they came out a huge winner ahead of sony who by some reports didn't even ship 200k but behind nintendo. However for the month ms way still be up past nintendo even with nintendo shipping 100k a week as ms will have full stock for black friday in the usa and it looks like nintendos next shipment wont hit till next tuesday
Like I said, I extrapolated the numbers based on how many they expected to sell in the 2nd week of Dec.

The fact that you found available systems of X360s simply tells me that MS didn't sell out meaning they most likely did not surpass Nintendo and may not have surpassed Sony. Even 300k X360s in one week would be record breaking.

Did you also notice that article referred to Canada?

[gljvd]

Thep roblem with that viper is you don't know how many systems ms had out.

I was able to find systems for the nintendo wii the tuesday after it came out (4 gamestop/ebs got 150 each in our biggest mall and didn't sell out)

MS also most likely has a good 2m units in retail for the holiday.


Today at blackfriday i got my 22 inch westing house monitor and even with just double reward zone points people were grabbing 360s

The 360 will be the winner this month and next month hands down.

[Viper]

You're assuming far more than I am. You base your numbers on the fact hat you found units available at retail yet I'm using figures and extrapolations.

Gee, the Wii sold 600k in their opening week. I wonder who else claimed that figure even before they numbers were released.

Also, you stated for the week, not the month and overall winner, not just over the obvious low shipment from Sony.

[gljvd]

You have yet to provide sources for those 600k

Once again your the one who is assuming. Neither sony nor nintendo has released numbers yet .

Untill you can get proof they shipped 600k to na that first week there is no discussion .

[cliffbo]

just wait till nintendo actually has wiis to meet demand.

agreed and the same can be said for Sony

[Fats]

You'd have to be a flaming idiot to see that the Wii hasn't sold like hotcakes, really. According to nextgenwars it's broken the 1 million mark, is that so hard to believe? If you want a reputable source, search for it via Google, I'm sure that reputable sales figures will appear eventually (If they're not already available) and we'll see who was the winner for this month and next month will really be.

Today at blackfriday i got my 22 inch westing house monitor and even with just double reward zone points people were grabbing 360s

So based on your assumption, this is the case all over the country? Seriously, you accuse Viper of "assuming" these sales figures, but what exactly is it that you're doing?

[cliffbo]

i have to agree with Gljvd on this one. his original post was simply from a report (okay it was MSN) but i can't find any reference to any particular number. i think you should just read through this thread again Viper and i think you'll realise Gljvd is right.

[gljvd]

1 never insult me .

2) Even viper has agreed in another thread that nextgenwars website is wrong.

Nextgen wars is simply part polling part offical numbers and part guessing. Since there are no offical numbers for the wii or ps3 its simply polling and guessing .

So based on your assumption, this is the case all over the country? Seriously, you accuse Viper of "assuming" these sales figures, but what exactly is it that you're doing?


Perhaps you missed the article in the first part ?

[Fats]

Oh, you mean the one that was posted on MSN? Gotcha... I too know that the nextgenwars website is flawed, but take it as you will, it's an indication as to how things are going. Just wait for real figures, and we shall see.

[gljvd]

Oh, you mean the one that was posted on MSN? Gotcha... I too know that the nextgenwars website is flawed, but take it as you will, it's an indication as to how things are going. Just wait for real figures, and we shall see.


SO now we should throw out numbers released by sony and nintendo also as they can be bias and flawed ?

Nextgen wars tells nothing. Its based on no offical numbers .

http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=1317315&postcount=29

[Viper]

So MS sold over 600,000 X360's last week? I so frikkin doubt that.

who sold 600k last week ?

Do you have numbers backing up that 600k ?

Who said 600k though ? I have yet to see offical numbers. it could be lower .

MS also most likely has a good 2m units in retail for the holiday.

The 360 will be the winner this month and next month hands down.


You have yet to provide sources for those 600k

Once again your the one who is assuming. Neither sony nor nintendo has released numbers yet .

Untill you can get proof they shipped 600k to na that first week there is no discussion .

Haven't you learned yet never debate me on the numbers?

http://nintendonow.e-mpire.com/index.php?categoryid=4&m_articles_articleid=3969&PHPSESSID=d99d63364bb0f9febed2abd0d5042fb3
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21369
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162373.html
http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm
http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/10814/
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4273&Itemid=46
http://wii.ign.com/articles/747/747728p1.html


Like I said, 600k.

Now you tell me, with the above in mind, like I told you to begin with, do you have any proof of your claim that MS sold over 600k for that week? Hmm?

[dslgunstar]

Ive heard rumors that the 360 sold anywhere between 400,000 and 700,000 over the launch weekend as a result of Gears of War, and the fact that alot of people didnt find either of the new consoles. Had Microsoft dropped the price on the core bundle into Wii territory, they probably could have outsold the Wii simply because of supply.

[Viper]

All my indicators show 200,000-400,000. Remember, it's one week, not the full month. Go check historical November sales for all consoles, esp with big name title launches that month. Compare that with their ratio to previous months sales (ie. did the big title double, triple that month?) and then account for that week to be between 50%-75% of that months sales and you'll get a good rough estimate.

Remember, even the halo games were released in November and Halo 2 had a larger installed base to sell to and sales for the Xbox that month were 708,000 for the whole month.

[gljvd]

Last time i check 8 days is more than a week

Nintendo has revealed that the Wii has sold out in its initial eight days of availability and that over 600,000 consumers now have the console in their home in the America


This is also far longer than a 2/3 day (depending on if you count friday) weekend

Remember the topic is about that weekend as that is what the original thread is about. So how many of those 600k were sold on the weekend in question ?

[Viper]

Launch day typically culminates for 80+% of launch sales. Given that it was reported sold out by most major retailers the next day, that 80+% figure is most likely very accurate.

No way in hell did MS sell more than 480k over the weekend. That would be all over the media like stink on shit.



I have numbers and extrapolated data. You have Canadian derived assumptions.

As you said:
Untill you can get proof they shipped 600k to na that first week there is no discussion .

I've proved it, you have not proved yours. There is no discussion.

[IEatFriedPikmin]

there really is no point to argue against viper. sorry.

[Fats]

It amazes me that he still continues, even though he's clearly been proven wrong.

[gljvd]

Launch day typically culminates for 80+% of launch sales. Given that it was reported sold out by most major retailers the next day, that 80+% figure is most likely very accurate.

No way in hell did MS sell more than 480k over the weekend. That would be all over the media like stink on shit.



I have numbers and extrapolated data. You have Canadian derived assumptions.

As you said:


I've proved it, you have not proved yours. There is no discussion.


Really . Funny considering that Nintendo launched on a sunday and there are many areas out there where stores aren't open on sunday. The two largest shippments of wiis in new jersey gamestops / eb happen to be in one such area .

Actually Bergen county which is closed on a sunday got more units in jersey than the rest of it combined.

Not to mention that while you claim 80% + were sold in the first days. that is incorrect.

The two biggest stores in the garden state plaza in paramus new jersey (which has a nintendo wii demo area in the mall hosted by nintendo) recieved 150 units each for that monday . They recieved 150 more that thursday. So they sold half thier number of units days after its launch. Those were included in this 600k number.


Once again you provide no proof for that weekend nor that week on units sold and thus you can't prove you arguement .

[Colin™]

Once again you provide no proof for that weekend nor that week on units sold and thus you can't prove you arguement .


and really, neither can you.

Does that mean this thread doesn't exist?

[Viper]

Wow, your anecdotal evidence really refutes everything I've proved. The great Garden State is so respective of the retail state of affairs across the US, we may as well use it as an indicator for all inventory positioning and sell through from this point on. With your admitted fact that Paramus, New Jersey closes most retail on the holy day, I guess so too must the rest of the nation.

Screw historical and retail industry trends for the past 2 decades of video game product roll out, we have NJ and it's 6 day a week business model to extrapolate the truth with.

who sold 600k last week ?
Nintendo did. You asked, you received.

[TheGreenElf]

They say Wii under delivered in terms of units? No...they didn't lol...people were just quick to buy them.

[gljvd]

Wow, your anecdotal evidence really refutes everything I've proved. The great Garden State is so respective of the retail state of affairs across the US, we may as well use it as an indicator for all inventory positioning and sell through from this point on. With your admitted fact that Paramus, New Jersey closes most retail on the holy day, I guess so too must the rest of the nation.

Screw historical and retail industry trends for the past 2 decades of video game product roll out, we have NJ and it's 6 day a week business model to extrapolate the truth with.


Nintendo did. You asked, you received.


You have yet to post any proof about the topic at hand.

The only proof you have posted says 600k in 8 days. YOu then go on to bullshit about 80% of the units selling out on the first day. However you fail to understand that gamestops and other companys had second shipments in time for black friday.

THus if they sold 600k in 8 days and they had at least two shipments after wards your numbers fall to pieces .

You have yet to show any proof disproving the article claims . If nintendo sold 600k or 80% of 600k on launch day they would have talked about it . Not release a press release about the first 8 days

With your admitted fact that Paramus, New Jersey closes most retail on the holy day, I guess so too must the rest of the nation.



Honestly are you this childish ? Did you not read my post before launching into blind bashing ? I said there are some areas that are closed on that day . I didn't say the whole nation shuts down or anything close to that. Of course if you had bothered to read you would have noticed this .


Gamestops recived a second shipment before black friday of half to the full amount of launc day shipments .

Honestly . Untill your able to provide real proof and not just your feelings on the subject than please stay out of it .

[Viper]

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4343&Itemid=2

Xbox 360 unit sales topped a minimum of 500K units in the month, probably more, with 200K in Black Friday week.
There are your X360 figures. And I can only imagine just how many of those 200k actually sold on Wii launch weekend vs Black Friday itself. 100k at best?

Gamestops recived a second shipment before black friday of half to the full amount of launc day shipments . So you don't actually know how many came in? Was it half, was it equal to, if you know it was either then you should already have known what was shipped for launch day itself and because you clearly do not then you clearly have no idea how many were sold or how many came in for the second shipment.

Less the fact that not all retailers received a second shipment and you're forgetting how many were pre-ordered meaning the date of pick up is irrelevant.


I've given official figures and historical trends. You've given conjecture based on what exactly?

As for my sarcasm, that seems to grab your attention once facts and statistics fail to do so.

[gljvd]

So i'm going to take the word for a site that says minimum of 500k as gossipal ? Where does it get its black friday numbers ?

WE go on and on and on .

So you don't actually know how many came in? Was it half, was it equal to, if you know it was either then you should already have known what was shipped for launch day itself and because you clearly do not then you clearly have no idea how many were sold or how many came in for the second shipment.



I know how many gamestop gets. Stores got either half thier original amounts. Or thier full amounts . No store got any other number. Obviously the bigger stores got more units . The ones with nintendo stores get more .

Nintendo shipped us alot of units for black friday. Thats

Less the fact that not all retailers received a second shipment and you're forgetting how many were pre-ordered meaning the date of pick up is irrelevant


actually all gamestops filled thier preorders first day. Second shipment were free to whoever .

I believe everyone filled thier initail preorders as nintendo filled all thiers .

I've given official figures and historical trends. You've given conjecture based on what exactly?


You gave numbers for 8 days. Last i checked 8 days isn't a weekend nor is it a week

[Viper]

NPD which ended Nov 25 has the following figures for the month.

X360 - 511,000
Wii - 476,000

So, Wii with only 6 days of availability almost beat the X360 with a full month, loads of stock and that AAA Gears of War title.


X360 - 200k Black Friday week.
Wii - 476k Black Friday week.

Time to own up to the facts, homeboy. There simply is no way in hell what you claim happened.


Regarding your first questions, if you are asking me, then you didn't even read it or you'd know where the numbers came from.