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cliffbo

11-25-2006, 04:32 PM

At last the PS3 has been released and a few lucky forum users are already enjoying what it has to offer. the Wii has also been released and has outsold the PS3, which was only to be expected, due to its cheaper price-tag and simpler manufacturing and loyal, well rewarded fan base. both of these machines have a handheld that clearly has been designed aesthetically to appear synonymous with its bigger, badder brother. both machines also have motion sensing, which sets them apart from MSs offering, but there the similarity ends.

we are moving into an era of dual console ownership, something MS are keen to promote with there Wii60 statements. why? because they know that there may only be room for two consoles in the not too distant future. with no motion sensing, no next gen media (ie blu-ray) built in and no younger brother, they are in a very precarious position. not only that but there PC market is about to come under heavy fire, as some of the posts on this forum clearly demonstrate. and to top it all 'Live' there crowning glory (and rightly so) is going to be one of three. So where does this leave MS? especially if HD-DVD fails...

A war is about to commence and there WILL be a casualty. that casualty will cost one of these three companies a massive amount of money and money is the blood of business... nothing costs nothing... the motives are there for 'dirty tactics' because we are potentially talking billions.

My prediction? as time passes and the PS3 and Wii slowly claw away at the 360s lead, many powerful men/women with begin to check their bank balance (not necessarily MS) but people who have a vested interest in the company. just like Rupert Merdock has bought a large share of ITV because Virgin want to buy it. so what options are available to these people? The Trojan Horse. i predict that in about 2 to 3 years, viruses will be written with the sole purpose of frying the oppositions console. just think of the devastating potential of that before you write the perfunctory: 'aint gonna happen'. everyone will be online with the PS3 for the simple reason its free and necessary to update your machine to future proof it. 15 or more million consoles wiped off the face of the earth in one fell swoop. now thats good for business.

edit: of course this option is also available to Sony and Nintendo. i'm not naive enough to believe either company are above such tactics, its just that MS has more to lose... lets be grown up about this discussion fellas...

PUNK em 733

11-25-2006, 05:40 PM

That sounds extreme. If something of this hienous nature got back to one of these companies, it would devestate them.

OmniCloud

11-25-2006, 06:03 PM

HOLYMOLY CLIFFBO!!! U just scared the heebie jeebies outta me!

curryking1

11-25-2006, 06:15 PM

"Can't we all just learn to get along?"

Lol j/k j/k. I hope to god no one suffers badly and falls out of the console realm out of Ninny MS and Sony. These three in the arena together is great for the forwarding of gaming in general. The competitiveness between the three is wicked. And for Ninny, not necessarily competitiveness, but something else fuels Ninny's drive just as much to deliver the best quality goods they can.

I think, by very very far, Sony has the most to lose, not at all MS. MS with an HD DVD failure would not make a big difference to their vitality for console generations to come.

Sony has Blu-Ray being banked on to an extreme, as well as the fact that they are walking in the footsteps of the PS1 and PS2, the two biggest things in videogaming ever.

Also, I hope to god that console wars don't turn into console espionage... That would be so retarded it's not even fun to think about.

Nameless

11-25-2006, 07:10 PM

No offense Cliff, but your post is far fetched and extremely optimistic IMO...
At this stage of the game the PS3 has the most ground to make up and has the most at stake with Blu-ray. As a whole Sony is suffering financially and needs the PS3 to be a success to rally the company and eventually drive profits. If Sony can win the HD media format war and penetrate the PC market (i.e. Apple's Macs) Sony could make billions in profits...

The scenario I just stated is a huge if, because HD penetration is low and Linux is somewhat intimidating for a non-techie user, plus you really need an HD display for image quality if you plan to use the PS3 as a PC. The PS3 has the most potential of all the consoles, but at this point it's only raw potential. It will be interesting to see over the years what Sony does to bring this "potential" to fruition...

Microsoft is doing great financially and will continue to have a stranglehold on the consumer PC software market. The only way someone is going to make a real dent in the consumer PC market is to create an OS that is so user friendly that it's absolutely idiot proof and extremely cheap. I just don't see Sony & Linux delivering that OS... Microsoft has enough money to simply buy Sony & Nintendo (I doubt this would ever happen), but my point is that Microsoft will choose to leave the console market they will not be forced out... If MS continues to bleed money in the console market they may decide to leave the arena, but I predict MS will release one more console and try to take the PS3 approach with a PC/console hybrid.

Personally I think the next-gen will increase overall videogame market share and all three companies will continue this battle and the winner will be the consumer. Peace

PS: Microsoft won't need to create a virus to destroy the PS3, because I'm sure thousands of hackers are already cooking something up simply for bragging rights... Also, game piracy is the bigger threat not computer viruses in the long run...

11-25-2006, 09:16 PM

15 or more million consoles wiped off the face of the earth in one fell swoop.
and thus SkyNet is born.

Gaul

11-25-2006, 10:39 PM

edit: of course this option is also available to Sony and Nintendo. i'm not naive enough to believe either company are above such tactics, its just that MS has more to lose... lets be grown up about this discussion fellas...
I would say nintendo would be the last to do this. Nintendo has stayed true to its roots through all the years more htan sony or ms have. they continue to produce newer versions of games older gamers loved whent hey were younger, despite the fact that many of them dont sell very well. even though their sales have been dropping, they still continue to create mostly non-violent games. nintendo seems like the more noble of the group, while sony and ms are in a war for power. hopefully the wii will sell better than the gamecube. i think it will, because it truely is a revolution for home consoles.

Personally id rather MS stop producing consoles than sony or nintendo, because they seem to be playing safer than sony or the nintendo. the 360 really offers nothing that the xbox didnt aside from better graphics. ps3 is now a pc/console hybrid, and the wii controller is something we hav enever seen before.

Old_Timer!

11-25-2006, 10:40 PM

I can see a few of your points as being true Cliff, corporate warfare has been going on behind closed doors for decades. They might all say competition is good for the industry but they all wanna crush the competition. Microsoft has always been a company that buys you if they can't beat you, hated by many and loved by few. Sony has done their fare share of buying out as well, but I don't think they have the same bad rep as Microsoft and we all know Nintendo is the OG who's been around for about 100 years.
The debate has been around for years that if Linux did take over then hackers would focus on that platform, but since Windows is King there is no need at the moment. I've also heard that Windows does have more cracks that the hackers can take advantage of and with Windows being a closed platform it made life simplier for hackers. While Linux is an open platform with a huge dev community that find and fix cracks regularly.
Sure Sony is having some financial problems at the moment, but let's not forget it's not all about games. Sony has some major movies under it's belt at the moment, 007 just came out and isn't doing too bad at the box office. Spiderman 3 looks like the Movie of summer '07, TV sales are going up due to alot more consumers upgrading to LCD's/HDTV's and it's just the beginning.
In the end sony will be fine, they will be making profit hand over fist. The analyst will be proven wrong once again and life goes on.

Nintedo is like Merlin the Magican, Old and Wise
Sony the King that pulled the Sword from teh Stone
Microsoft the Bastard Son and Usurper to the Throne
Now it's time to go and drive my :censored: 5spd SC300 to Brooklyn....

cliffbo

11-26-2006, 02:56 PM

thanks for the interesting replies fellas... i've painted a pretty bleak scenario, i know, but, you know, i think, we the consumer, are sometimes guilty of being a little naive when it comes to business. if you look at the picture, short term, then you could validly argue that my prediction seems far fetched, but given the ten years Sony are aiming for and the re-emergence of linux as a legitimate threat to windows, you have to think hard about the possibility. i don't see this happening immediately, however, over a longer period of time i do believe this WILL happen.

MS has already done a deal with Novel, suggesting that linux is encroaching on their intellectual properties... this is the beginning and an indication that MS are taking the threat very seriously - and this is only a week or so into the PS3s life cycle. it may be a coincidence, but i don't believe so.

if linux can put a dent into MS dominance and HD-DVD fails as a format, then it could lead to big losses for this company. there will be analysts hard at work for MS calculating the worse case scenario and no business ignores this scenario in favour of optimism (we are talking stacks of money here, not altruistic, sympathetic businessmen, who just want to make us happy gamers). i agree that it may not be MS who begins the campaign of Virus terrorism, but i'll bet my bottom dollar that they soon see the advantages of subtly encouraging such behavior...

nameless, no offense taken fella. your eloquent writing style is always a treat, even if you don't agree :)

pari

11-26-2006, 03:32 PM

MS has lot invested with HD-DVD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IHD_Interactive_Format

IHD Interactive Format
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The correct title of this article is HDi. The initial letter is shown capitalized due to technical restrictions.

HDi is a format developed by Microsoft and Toshiba for providing interactive features for HD-DVD, one of the high definition video formats. It is an open specification, which has been developed with inputs and support from Hollywood movie studios, especially Disney. Microsoft has made available a free download to let users author and debug HDi content on computers running Windows xp or better.

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HDi allows interactivity to be authored into a data format using XML and ECMAScript (standardized JavaScript) as its interpreted scripting engine. In contrast, the competing Blu-ray Disc high definition video discs will use BD-J for authoring interactive features.

The HDi model includes an XML subset for content format of images, buttons, video objects; cascading style sheets (CSS) for layout, color, font types; and SMIL for timing and synchronization as well as ECMA scripts for programmability.

HDi is not limited to being used on optical media. It can even be used on media delivered or streamed over the internet or any other network. HDi allows menus to be displayed during video playback, persistent user-defined bookmarks, picture-in-picture, and network access to download new features and HD trailers using standard HD-DVD players.

Blu-ray uses Java instead of MS developed program. So if Blu-ray picks up MS would lose the control. Secondly both Blu-ray & HD-DVD would use VC-1 codec from MS but its only HD-DVD camp that is leaning towards VC-1 and Blu-ray towards MPEG-4/H.264. So MS would definitely lose if Blu-ray picks up.

The MS involvement in HD-DVD is not played up like Sony's involvement with Blu-ray. And importantly if PS3 picks up steam due to Blu-ray content, then 360 would look predated, forcing MS to add HD-DVD as default (and if Blu-ray wins even more problem for 360). MS has made lots of compromise with 360 so that they do not lose ton of money with the hardware like they did with xbox. The money that MS lost with xbox has limited the 360 design in lot of ways. True 1080p is any day better than upscaled 1080p (and nobody would mention the upscaled part of the 1080p in 360).

Bottom line, as much riding for Sony with PS3, same is for MS with 360. But only difference is Sony has taken lots of risk and stuck its neck out with PS3, whereas MS is playing very conservatively with 360 hardware and pushing the software interface part of 360. MS is trying to change the paradigm of video game console experience to be Live (IM, video/voice) over anything else. And with Sony's recent track record with software, if Sony comes anywhere closer to MS paradigm, then its end game for 360.

cliffbo

11-26-2006, 04:31 PM

woundingchaney

11-26-2006, 04:46 PM

MS has lot invested with HD-DVD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IHD_Interactive_Format

Blu-ray uses Java instead of MS developed program. So if Blu-ray picks up MS would lose the control. Secondly both Blu-ray & HD-DVD would use VC-1 codec from MS but its only HD-DVD camp that is leaning towards VC-1 and Blu-ray towards MPEG-4/H.264. So MS would definitely lose if Blu-ray picks up.

The MS involvement in HD-DVD is not played up like Sony's involvement with Blu-ray. And importantly if PS3 picks up steam due to Blu-ray content, then 360 would look predated, forcing MS to add HD-DVD as default (and if Blu-ray wins even more problem for 360). MS has made lots of compromise with 360 so that they do not lose ton of money with the hardware like they did with xbox. The money that MS lost with xbox has limited the 360 design in lot of ways. True 1080p is any day better than upscaled 1080p (and nobody would mention the upscaled part of the 1080p in 360).

Bottom line, as much riding for Sony with PS3, same is for MS with 360. But only difference is Sony has taken lots of risk and stuck its neck out with PS3, whereas MS is playing very conservatively with 360 hardware and pushing the software interface part of 360. MS is trying to change the paradigm of video game console experience to be Live (IM, video/voice) over anything else. And with Sony's recent track record with software, if Sony comes anywhere closer to MS paradigm, then its end game for 360.

Kind of a dooms scenario you present for the MS 360.

(The 360 does true 1080p with the recent fall update and can upscale to the resolution)

Im wondering how the money lost last generation had anything to do with the hardware found this generation as this seems to be speculation (are you suggesting the budget was dropped due to the loss of last generation, as they seem to be spending and making more this go around). One could say that MS has learned quite a bit from their business ventures form the original Xbox project thus resulting in different strategies this generation.

Although Sony looks much worse. Suppose BR doesnt take off (as even by the end of this generation I doubt we have a decided format winner). BR already has strong opposition in HD DVD (which the majority of consumers are buying) but the PS brand being the bread and butter for Sony is facing dramatic competition from MS.
Without the acceptance of BR in the common market we see the PS3 hardware having significant trouble becoming more affordable as the generation ages. With an already high price point Sony stands to lose much of their initial consumers (the mainstream gamers). The thing is that without the 360 MS is still a software giant, for the years a substantial amount of Sony's profit has revolved around their PS brand (as their tvs and other hardware are facing strong opposition in their given markets). HD DVD to MS means no where near what BR does to Sony. With or without HDDVD MS continues to profit as the 360 hardware has nothing to do with the tech., Sony not only depends on the BR success for the PS3 but also to increase revenue and act as a wealth of funds for other aspects of their corp.

cliffbo

11-26-2006, 05:03 PM

good points wounding and definitely worth ingesting. i can always count on you to bring balance to a thread. there are many reasons why this gen is very very important to one company or another and that is essentially my point. there are many eggs being put into an ever crowded basket and somethings got to give. all three companies have lots to lose, so i would not discount my scenario being utilised by a company other than MS. but... and its a big but... MS has monopolized the windows market for many years now and its their bread and butter. it may take many years to gnaw away at that sized user base but i believe Linux could well begin to do this.

i could argue that if i had a spoon and i wanted to move a lake from one location to another, everyone would say 'that is impossible' but the more people that have the same idea, the more it becomes a credible endeavor... any business that can see this potential would try curtailing it before anyone spots the inevitable. i can see a possible inevitable coming and the only real alternative is total destruction (virus).

Nameless

11-26-2006, 05:30 PM

MS has already done a deal with Novel, suggesting that linux is encroaching on their intellectual properties... this is the beginning and an indication that MS are taking the threat very seriously - and this is only a week or so into the PS3s life cycle. it may be a coincidence, but i don't believe so.

Cliff, Linux is more of a viable threat in the B2B server market...
I believe the market share is almost 50/50 between Windows servers and Linux servers as a result the real threat is on the B2B side not consumer.
I would wager the IP issues and the Linux threat is more directed in the B2B server space not the consumer PC market. Microsoft has such a stranglehold on the consumer PC market there's really no viable threat in the foreseeable future. I just don't see the PS3 as a viable PC for average consumers in the long run; it just seems like a novelty item for techies to tinker with IMO.

Perhaps I will be proven wrong and a distribution of Linux will be developed that's so easy to install and operate in a living room environment that people will see this as a viable & cheap PC alternative... Honestly man that's a tall order! Only time will tell... Peace

pari

11-26-2006, 06:35 PM

Kind of a dooms scenario you present for the MS 360.

Its easy to present the dooms scenario for Sony, I wanted to put the hidden links and agenda of MS. If Blu-ray fails PS3 is screwed, for that my question is what if HD-DVD fails? 360 is now associated with HD-DVD and no there is denying to it. MS can do an addon blu-ray to 360 but means failure in first place. (MS and its minions would do a such a great spin about the whole turn around, example is, Bill Gates berated the whole iPod ecology/ecosystem and praising how Open MS music ecology/eco-system is, for its partner. Now turn around by screwing their partners and mimicking iPod ecology/ecosystem.)

(The 360 does true 1080p with the recent fall update and can upscale to the resolution)

I am aware of it, but does it say explicitly that it can do true 1080p? Reason I am asking this question is, when 360 was introduced they harped about 720p resolution and everybody and their brotherhood from MS made statement saying 1080p is difficult/impossible to achieve? So was there a hardware implemented for true 1080p in the first place? Because lot of stuff is possible through software.. If hardware was implemented in the first place then why would MS make statement saying 1080p is impossible and not needed? So either way you dice it, MS execs have been dishonest.

Im wondering how the money lost last generation had anything to do with the hardware found this generation as this seems to be speculation (are you suggesting the budget was dropped due to the loss of last generation, as they seem to be spending and making more this go around). One could say that MS has learned quite a bit from their business ventures form the original Xbox project thus resulting in different strategies this generation.

True, MS learned quite a bit from their previous strategy and how far it goes have to wait and see, lots of compromise in 360 design. MS spinners has spun the best modular approach...

Although Sony looks much worse. Suppose BR doesnt take off (as even by the end of this generation I doubt we have a decided format winner). BR already has strong opposition in HD DVD (which the majority of consumers are buying) but the PS brand being the bread and butter for Sony is facing dramatic competition from MS.

Number of the studios releasing HD-DVD is smaller compared to Blu-ray and only two studios are exclusive to HD-DVD whereas Blu-ray has more exclusive studios. Why Intel and MS announced their support to HD-DVD, because Warner was about to drop HD-DVD exclusive and MS was/is worried about Sony and Blu-ray. My question is WTF has MS got to do with HD-DVD/Blu-ray? Because of their worry about Sony nothing more. WTF has the MS done for the consumer industry or knows about to dictate terms in the consumer industry?

Without the acceptance of BR in the common market we see the PS3 hardware having significant trouble becoming more affordable as the generation ages. With an already high price point Sony stands to lose much of their initial consumers (the mainstream gamers). The thing is that without the 360 MS is still a software giant, for the years a substantial amount of Sony's profit has revolved around their PS brand (as their tvs and other hardware are facing strong opposition in their given markets). HD DVD to MS means no where near what BR does to Sony. With or without HDDVD MS continues to profit as the 360 hardware has nothing to do with the tech., Sony not only depends on the BR success for the PS3 but also to increase revenue and act as a wealth of funds for other aspects of their corp.

Without HD-DVD, MS would make money out of 360, but lose control over the direction of the digital media arena... Why MS is getting gaming and portable music business because they are worried that they would be left out. MS wants its software which is the bread and butter to control the digital era. As most of the things are moving to the digital space and if MS cannot influence the digital space then its lost game for them.

BTW, there is an interesting cover article with Mr.J's photo on the cover of latest Business Week about this whole thing. MS software business is saturating, they might dominate the software industry but with more rapid changes happening brought on by Google, Salesforce.com, Youtube, relevance of MS is in question. Its for the same relevance that Sony is searching for, MS is also searching for their is no difference. Except that I do not favor MS.

pari

11-26-2006, 06:40 PM

Cliff, Linux is more of a viable threat in the B2B server market...
I believe the market share is almost 50/50 between Windows servers and Linux servers as a result the real threat is on the B2B side not consumer.
I would wager the IP issues and the Linux threat is more directed in the B2B server space not the consumer PC market. Microsoft has such a stranglehold on the consumer PC market there's really no viable threat in the foreseeable future. I just don't see the PS3 as a viable PC for average consumers in the long run; it just seems like a novelty item for techies to tinker with IMO.

Perhaps I will be proven wrong and a distribution of Linux will be developed that's so easy to install and operate in a living room environment that people will see this as a viable & cheap PC alternative... Honestly man that's a tall order! Only time will tell... Peace

More than the sever market, its fight for the developer mind share. MS has stranglehold on the consumer PC market, but the way application are moving out of the computer it would make windows more irrelevant. The new web2.0 applications are accelerating this irrelevance. This is what MS is fight, to keep the windows as the center of the digital universe. Linux has the potential to be the center of the digital universe. Linux on game console (PS3), on mobile phones, on portable devices would take developer mind share away from windows. Then this windows ecosystem would be shaken...

cliffbo

11-26-2006, 07:14 PM

More than the sever market, its fight for the developer mind share. MS has stranglehold on the consumer PC market, but the way application are moving out of the computer it would make windows more irrelevant. The new web2.0 applications are accelerating this irrelevance. This is what MS is fight, to keep the windows as the center of the digital universe. Linux has the potential to be the center of the digital universe. Linux on game console (PS3), on mobile phones, on portable devices would take developer mind share away from windows. Then this windows ecosystem would be shaken...

exactly, things are looking very serious as i have said. bottom line is, we are moving into a two console situation PS3/360 are going for the same market, Wii is going for the niche market. Blu-ray is a sure ace (as far as i'm concerned) HD-DVD is an outside bet. Linux is an outside bet that, like you have said, through various types of distribution could become a big threat over time. MS are being attacked on all fronts and that could lead to drastic measures. when the chips are down your avenues of escape are limited and thats when nefarious steps are taken. don't underestimate the destructive power of the dollar

Nameless

11-26-2006, 07:22 PM

cliffbo

11-26-2006, 07:29 PM

^ Considering HD-DVDs play on standard DVD players I would not quickly dismiss HD-DVD. I do agree that BD has an advantage, because the PS3 will drive the userbase quickly, but if the price of HD-DVD players drop very quickly things could get interesting...
(Since I own BD I doubt I would ever purchase an HD-DVD player, but for non-PS3 owners it could be a viable option.)

LG and Samsung have recently dropped HD-DVD support and hybrid machines and Sony own 50% of all colour movies. we now have a viable alternative to windows. in my opinion the only failing of windows on TV was the resolution... that will soon become irrelevant. MS has shares in VC1 but so do Sony...

edit: MS will want as many people to own the HD-DVD add on as possible. it has to be successful! if it fails there will be thousands of disgruntled 360 owners, if no-one buys it, MS has no alternative to Blu-ray. MS will be frantically trying to reposition themselves, but with no where to go, whats the alternative? its too late for other formats as far as i'm concerned.

MS are in the uncomfortable position of having to protect two markets. which will be dropped first? and how long dare they wait?

Sephiroth_VII

11-26-2006, 07:45 PM

cliffbo

11-26-2006, 08:03 PM

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=40809

Sony Should Of Installed Some Firewall With This Computer ! It Caught A Virus / Bug And Died Before 24hours

some fool, but.... expect this to become a reality in 2 to 3 years

pari

11-26-2006, 08:04 PM

woundingchaney

11-26-2006, 08:35 PM

Its easy to present the dooms scenario for Sony, I wanted to put the hidden links and agenda of MS. If Blu-ray fails PS3 is screwed, for that my question is what if HD-DVD fails? 360 is now associated with HD-DVD and no there is denying to it. MS can do an addon blu-ray to 360 but means failure in first place. (MS and its minions would do a such a great spin about the whole turn around, example is, Bill Gates berated the whole iPod ecology/ecosystem and praising how Open MS music ecology/eco-system is, for its partner. Now turn around by screwing their partners and mimicking iPod ecology/ecosystem.)

I am aware of it, but does it say explicitly that it can do true 1080p? Reason I am asking this question is, when 360 was introduced they harped about 720p resolution and everybody and their brotherhood from MS made statement saying 1080p is difficult/impossible to achieve? So was there a hardware implemented for true 1080p in the first place? Because lot of stuff is possible through software.. If hardware was implemented in the first place then why would MS make statement saying 1080p is impossible and not needed? So either way you dice it, MS execs have been dishonest.

True, MS learned quite a bit from their previous strategy and how far it goes have to wait and see, lots of compromise in 360 design. MS spinners has spun the best modular approach...

Number of the studios releasing HD-DVD is smaller compared to Blu-ray and only two studios are exclusive to HD-DVD whereas Blu-ray has more exclusive studios. Why Intel and MS announced their support to HD-DVD, because Warner was about to drop HD-DVD exclusive and MS was/is worried about Sony and Blu-ray. My question is WTF has MS got to do with HD-DVD/Blu-ray? Because of their worry about Sony nothing more. WTF has the MS done for the consumer industry or knows about to dictate terms in the consumer industry?

Without HD-DVD, MS would make money out of 360, but lose control over the direction of the digital media arena... Why MS is getting gaming and portable music business because they are worried that they would be left out. MS wants its software which is the bread and butter to control the digital era. As most of the things are moving to the digital space and if MS cannot influence the digital space then its lost game for them.

BTW, there is an interesting cover article with Mr.J's photo on the cover of latest Business Week about this whole thing. MS software business is saturating, they might dominate the software industry but with more rapid changes happening brought on by Google, Salesforce.com, Youtube, relevance of MS is in question. Its for the same relevance that Sony is searching for, MS is also searching for their is no difference. Except that I do not favor MS.

Yes true 1080p supported in upcoming games. I would agree that their stance initially was against it but in the industry people have a tendency to re-spin an issue (for example Sony condemning MS for their ww launch only to attempt the same thing and come up short).

I agree that BR succeeds MS stands to lose their interest in the digital media arena.

BR has support from more studios but these studios are not exclusive in the sense. They have the ability to support HDDVD at any chosen time. With more HDVD players on the market and higher volumes of movie sales the industry support could change. (Its been a while since I have looked into the actual "exclusivety" of the matter so it might be different but as far as Im aware there is no actual contractual exclusivety)

@ Seph., The hybrid discs will play on either HDDVD or DVD.

For that matter WTF has Sony done for the consumer industry? I dont see them release products as being above and beyond what one would expect from a company. They mimic every other organization out there, they after all have their best interests in mind much like MS or any Jo Blow corp.

If I had to choose between BR and HDVD I would prefer BR, although at this point Im not sure either format will be excepted in the near future or actual reign as the standardized next gen format. I look for BR to be victorious over HDDVD but they really need to step up their pace in quality and price range (not that HDDVD is outpacing them by much).

MS has become stagnant for quite some time and look to become a looming/slow giant. The xbox division is there first significant move in years with other paltry attempts not worth mentioning. They severally need to keep introducing software and products to keep their corp from becoming a spruce goose (for example the awaited release of Vista). Their stance on the corporate world that brought them amazing initial success may be the exact thing that splinters them in the end.

pari

11-26-2006, 11:30 PM

Yes true 1080p supported in upcoming games. I would agree that their stance initially was against it but in the industry people have a tendency to re-spin an issue (for example Sony condemning MS for their ww launch only to attempt the same thing and come up short).

Still the question is, MS exec on record say 1080p is impossible and no other MS exec came on record to say the statement was incorrect. All the 360 fan lapped it up saying Sony 1080p statement is BS and Sony is lying. Now MS turns around saying 1080p is possible. So...

For that matter WTF has Sony done for the consumer industry? I dont see them release products as being above and beyond what one would expect from a company. They mimic every other organization out there, they after all have their best interests in mind much like MS or any Jo Blow corp.

Sony has done more than MS for the consumer industry. There are lots of things in the consumer industry that are due to Sony. Namely just a couple CD, DVD,... ubiquitous iPod AAC format has footprints of Sony. And even the notoriety the Li-Battery recall for the consumers :). Their push on the Blue-laser diode manufacturing, its still a challenge. As an engineering company Sony has done quite a bit for the consumer industry.... Personally I like the Sony Reader e-book. Right now I do not see any other product similar to e-book using e-ink technology though not a Sony technology.

MS has become stagnant for quite some time and look to become a looming/slow giant. The xbox division is there first significant move in years with other paltry attempts not worth mentioning. They severally need to keep introducing software and products to keep their corp from becoming a spruce goose (for example the awaited release of Vista). Their stance on the corporate world that brought them amazing initial success may be the exact thing that splinters them in the end.

True, I would say the turning ship around with regards to Internet & Web browser. That was a very significant change in MS history. Bill Gates had to update this book to include a chapter about Internet, in his previous edition he was singing praise of CD-ROM as the best thing to happen for the consumer industry. The xbox division is a significant bet built on the empire of windows, so effect of financial loss is not that much but loss of control in digital arena would be siginificant.

and the link to the business week article

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_49/b4012001.htm?chan=tc&chan=technology_technology+index+page_today%27s+to p+stories

I just did not like the spin job on Zune, 8months to launch. I believe MS is paying for the article to gain prominence for Zune.

Smokey

11-27-2006, 06:10 AM

(for example Sony condemning MS for their ww launch only to attempt the same thing and come up short).
they both came up short on that one :)