YDL torrent

[fanoOne]

It's released now....

http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3566989/YDL_5.0_PS3_-_Yellow_Dog_Linux_v5.0_for_the_PLAYSTATION_3

Good download...

It's legal too, linux is open source :smoke:

fanoOne

[stanDarsh]

Thank you FanoOne!

[VG Aficionado]

Er... it should be legal to be downloaded for free at the end of next month. I wouldn't say it's legal right now.

[Slay]

Er... it should be legal to be downloaded for free at the end of next month. I wouldn't say it's legal right now.
it IS legal, you can charge whatever you like for GPL software, but at the same time you must offer it for free, including the source.

[VG Aficionado]

it IS legal, you can charge whatever you like for GPL software, but at the same time you must offer it for free, including the source.Hmmm, right then. When distributing it through bittorrent, surely it includes the source code.

[stanDarsh]

I don't see any problem with distributing software that is free anyway via bittorrent, otherwise I would have pulled this thread

[fanoOne]

Yellow dog as all Linux distros don't sell Linux itself (they can't GPL license
don't permit this), but manuals and support... so the DVD iso image can be downloaded legally.

I don't understand why they don't distribuited it directly now and
not at Xmas :chinese2:

Someone installed yet?

fanoOne

[Z]

thanks for the link fanoOne. :)

[Garfunkel]

get ready for a 4 day download.

yes, this is legal

[FantasyGhost]

DLing it now, howcome there are no seeders?

[Azel]

Thanks for the link.

I'm also downloading it now. It's going to be great playing around with this. Unfortunately it doesn't let the PS3 rip CDs at the moment :( Kind of crappy. This will be my first Linux experience, but it looks pretty easy to use.

[Sephiroth_VII]

DLing it now, howcome there are no seeders?
Try using anoither BT-program. Bitlord/comet is almost always blocked, so try Azureus or uTorrent.

[FantasyGhost]

I'm using Azureus already at the time i've started DLing there were no seeders. Now there are 21

[Siraris]

Maybe you should wait until developers and other testers have had a chance to test YDL before you use it, incase it breaks your system?

[Garfunkel]

Maybe you should wait until developers and other testers have had a chance to test YDL before you use it, incase it breaks your system?

this is a final release.

I would recommend µTorrent, it is fast and very light, especially on long downloads like this.

And it's good because you have to give a bit back, you have to upload at least a sixth of what you download, but this barrier is lifted if you upload >6KB/s.

+rep fano0ne

[FantasyGhost]

this is a final release.

I would recommend µTorrent, it is fast and very light, especially on long downloads like this.

And it's good because you have to give a bit back, you have to upload at least a sixth of what you download, but this barrier is lifted if you upload >6KB/s.

+rep fano0ne
Nice, is it also available for Mac universal OS X?

[Azel]

A little off the topic of the torrent, but does anyone know if YDL supports Blue Tooth? I was hoping on being able to use my keyboard from my sofa without having to worry about anyone tripping over the USB cables.

Also, does Linux get regular updates like Windows?

Thanks,
Azel

[Garfunkel]

it may be supported in the kernel, it may not, only one way to find out!

utorrent is windoze only i think. (i know, it's weakest point)

[Lekko]

Dont you also need the "other OS" install CD? I remember seeing that as a step for installing fedora 5 in the tutorial section. you should link to that as well so you have all the necessary stuff ready.

[FantasyGhost]

A little off the topic of the torrent, but does anyone know if YDL supports Blue Tooth? I was hoping on being able to use my keyboard from my sofa without having to worry about anyone tripping over the USB cables.

Also, does Linux get regular updates like Windows?

Thanks,
Azel

http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/support/solutions/ydl_4.0/bluetooth.shtml

[Azel]

Thanks for the insight Fantasy Ghost. I appreciate it.
Bluetooth keyboard FTW :)

I can't wait until they all kinds of great media apps and emulators running on this. It will be sweet.

[xbdestroya]

Dont you also need the "other OS" install CD? I remember seeing that as a step for installing fedora 5 in the tutorial section. you should link to that as well so you have all the necessary stuff ready.

For Yellow Dog you don't need it - everything's on the DVD (still have to do the USB prep work though).

By the way I installed YDL on my PS3 earlier today. Unfortunately do to display incompatability I haven't really been able to even get into it; I'll have to try on a different display.

But the installation is easy as anything - nonLinux users will like it, extremely Windows-esque.

[Lekko]

Okay... well one thing I'm unsure about is this: My PS3 won't play on my PC monitor, it isn't HDCP. Could I run Linux through PS3 on the same monitor through the HDMI -> DVI cable? Or would that not work either..

[xbdestroya]

HDCP doesn't mean it lacks HDMI, if that's what you mean...

So if it's not HDCP on the DVI, it's not HDCP on the DVI. No cable or cable adaptor will be able to help. Which is annoying I know...

A year from now when all modern monitors are HDCP it won't seem like a big deal, but for now I feel your pain. Which is why I've got it hooked up to bmy 1080i RP CRT, which unfortunately, as I mentioned... (and Fedora Core 5 is actually better for me in this respect)

But I think I'm going to move the setup to a 720p LCD and run through it again. Word is though that the YDL install uses less RAM at boot, which is a good way to start its career on the PS3. :smoke:

[Azel]

still have to do the USB prep work though

What's this prep-work, and is it easy to do?

[xbdestroya]

What's this prep-work, and is it easy to do?

Read this guide on Fedora installation, it's the same idea:

http://linuxps3.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=32

The specific file for YDL is different though, and not the same as the one pulled from the extra CD (which you don't need here anyway). But you'll get the idea as to what I'm talking about there in what needs to be done.

[frosty]

What's wrong with the display issue? Can you not display it over component?

[Azel]

I see xbdestroya. I'm reading my way through the official instillation guide right now. It doesn't sound that hard at all. I'm really looking forward to this.

[xbdestroya]

What's wrong with the display issue? Can you not display it over component?

Well, all the components are occupied at the moment unfortunately, but I'm not sure it would matter; my TV doesn't accept 720p.

[frosty]

You can only use progressive output for YDL? If not then 1080i should be fine. Actually, it would be better since PC type apps are usually limited in motion, so the interlacing wouldn't be as apparent.

[xbdestroya]

What I am saying, is that YDL defaults to 720p in the GUI and install both. In Fedora 5 I can work around it and manually enter the code that will change the resolution, but in Yellow Dog Linux I have to exit the standard boot process and go to command lines, from where nothing can get accomplished since the install never was able to finalize in the first place.

If it would finish up, then yes 1080i would theoretically be fine. ;)

So for now on thnat set, Fedora 5 is more useable. But I'm not basing my decisions on that set alone, which is why I'm going to connect it to a 720p LCD tomorrow and do it over.

[frosty]

Ah, I see. Well, once you get that done do some performance benchmarks on it vs. Fedora.

[Garfunkel]

What I am saying, is that YDL defaults to 720p in the GUI and install both. In Fedora 5 I can work around it and manually enter the code that will change the resolution, but in Yellow Dog Linux I have to exit the standard boot process and go to command lines, from where nothing can get accomplished since the install never was able to finalize in the first place.

If it would finish up, then yes 1080i would theoretically be fine. ;)

So for now on thnat set, Fedora 5 is more useable. But I'm not basing my decisions on that set alone, which is why I'm going to connect it to a 720p LCD tomorrow and do it over.

so the install failed?

maybe you screwed up your xserver?
EDIT: nether mind, i need reading glasses!

[frosty]

What's this I hear on Gamevideos.com's linux on ps3 video that YDL uses RSX?

[fanoOne]

What I am saying, is that YDL defaults to 720p in the GUI and install both. In Fedora 5 I can work around it and manually enter the code that will change the resolution, but in Yellow Dog Linux I have to exit the standard boot process and go to command lines, from where nothing can get accomplished since the install never was able to finalize in the first place.

If it would finish up, then yes 1080i would theoretically be fine. ;)

So for now on thnat set, Fedora 5 is more useable. But I'm not basing my decisions on that set alone, which is why I'm going to connect it to a 720p LCD tomorrow and do it over.

If 720p the monitor that you'll use for installation supports 1080i too you
can us it to install ydl and then change the resolution at 1080i after installation so it should work on the old tv too :cycspin:

@frosty
YDL developer stated explicity that there is not RSX support....
Where you see it?
I think it's an error...

We don't know if this RSX support is not allowed by Sony or if we'll have
in the future... maybe there were some problems to realize it now :susp:

fanoOne

[frosty]

go to gamevideos.com and watch their PS3 fedora linux video. The guy mentions it numerous times.

[Garfunkel]

has to be a mistake, we don't know if it will ever support it. Maybe if there's enough demand.

[VG Aficionado]

This guy is playing HD videos on YDL! And doing more than that at once :-p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Wul8MLM6E

If it's decoding HD videos without relying on the GPU at all... =-o

Newly installed desktop running on PS3 (note the "PS3's home"!)

http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/1233-noscale-ps3linux1.jpg

Running GIMP (http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/1239-noscale-ps3linux7.jpg)

[Applefiend]

My Core Duo 2.0Ghz MacBook Pro struggles a little playing HD Video, good grief.

4 days left on the torrent. :)

[F089/H]

Cool.

[Stelio]

My Core Duo 2.0Ghz MacBook Pro struggles a little playing HD Video, good grief.

4 days left on the torrent. :)

How is that possible? It should be ok. Something doesn't sound right there...

[mrBlue]

Just finished downloading ...waiting for the burn to complete now. I'll be seeding for the next few hours at least. Not sure if I'll install tonight though cause I've got some hockey to watch.

Later gents.

[Applefiend]

It does seem to drop a few frames playing back 1080p videos. My 2.7Ghz PowerMac is fine, never drops any frames.

[rpgamer_2k5]

If that laptop has a decent GPU then it should be able to play 1080p quite stable but if it uses those internal crap by Intel then it'll likely suffer. I have access to Pentium D 820, 2GB of RAM DDR2 but uses an IGP solution. I was choking when playing 1080p videos but maybe once Linux takes over that PC things may change. I doubt it, though.

[Garfunkel]

This guy is playing HD videos on YDL! And doing more than that at once :-p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Wul8MLM6E

If it's decoding HD videos without relying on the GPU at all... =-o

Newly installed desktop running on PS3 (note the "PS3's home"!)

http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/1233-noscale-ps3linux1.jpg

Running GIMP (http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/1239-noscale-ps3linux7.jpg)

Is this your first time use of linux VG? How do you find your new experience with Linux?;)

I hope you guys enjoy it on your shiny new ps3's, i can't wait to try my favorite distros on the cell.

Oh don't worry about encoding/decoding on cell. Should be its strengh. ;)

[xbdestroya]

That's not VG's desktop, rather some other guys that's been making the rounds on the Internet for the past 24 hours. :)

[Garfunkel]

That's not VG's desktop, rather some other guys that's been making the rounds on the Internet for the past 24 hours. :)

woops, lol.

[OmniCloud]

IGN has there's up and running...(finally, I've sent Jeremy like 30 Emails telling him to make a Linux article..lol) http://ps3.ign.com/articles/748/748255p1.html

[frosty]

So, how about performance? What's the verdict? (XBD?)

[darksurge]

In the ign article they say Terrasoft are working on RSX surpport...

[frosty]

Excellent.

[Garfunkel]

In the ign article they say Terrasoft are working on RSX surpport...

If that happens then this little nerd will be very happy indeed.

[VG Aficionado]

Is this your first time use of linux VG? How do you find your new experience with Linux?;)LOL. As xb said, that's not my desktop. I won't be getting a PS3 until March, the time when I hope most of the initial issues are resolved, Linux ones included.

Anyway, I've used Linux a few times in my life, and I always wanted to install Linux permanently in my PC for daily purposes and leave Windows for gaming and some other odd application. Never did it since I've never been fully satisfied by any distro I've tried so far (components wouldn't work, didn't enjoy the interface, etc.). However, PS3 may become my definitive Linux PC.

[Stelio]

Is this your first time use of linux VG? How do you find your new experience with Linux?;)

I hope you guys enjoy it on your shiny new ps3's, i can't wait to try my favorite distros on the cell.

Oh don't worry about encoding/decoding on cell. Should be its strengh. ;)

Why do you think I'm hoping to see some really good audio/video programs developed for ps3...I doubt I'll see any of those wishes come tru tho. Seems as though PC and Mac are where it's at for the big dawgs. But if they were smart, they would realize the market potential and start the coding even if they're ported material of sorts.

We'll see...

I'm convinced that Linux will be the future unless microsoft starts shipping their systems with a full OS. The bar has officially been raised...

EZ,

-STELIO

[VG Aficionado]

I'm convinced that Linux will be the future unless microsoft starts shipping their systems with a full OS. The bar has officially been raised...

This sounds like the next step, but I think MS won't dare to make their platform so open.

[Stelio]

This sounds like the next step, but I think MS won't dare to make their platform so open.

Nope...they would never do that. However, it would help their cause if relaeased they their consoles with a full os and not that gimmicky media centre garbage (can u tell I dont like it?).

[Stelio]

---URGENT---

Can anyone confirm a way to back up any saved ps3 files when formatting the HDD for a new OS?

I thought I'd try backing up the game save files to my psp and return them later but I dont see a way to bring them back in. I havent installed YDL as of yet because of this.

Thanks in advance,

-STELIO

[FantasyGhost]

Where is Yellow Dog Linux Installed?
The drive installed in your PS3 ships with just one large partition, a logical division of the drive into unique sectors for the organization and protection of data.

Before you install Yellow Dog Linux, you will use the PS3 GameOS to split the drive into 2 major partitions: one for saving game data, music, and photos; the other for Yellow Dog Linux.

In this respect, both the GameOS and Yellow Dog Linux maintain their own unique volumes on which to store data.
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/support/installation/ydl5.0_ps3_guide.pdf

[frosty]

---URGENT---

Can anyone confirm a way to back up any saved ps3 files when formatting the HDD for a new OS?

I thought I'd try backing up the game save files to my psp and return them later but I dont see a way to bring them back in. I havent installed YDL as of yet because of this.

Thanks in advance,

-STELIO

The easiest way would be to get an external USB HDD or memory stick for your backup.

[FantasyGhost]

It's not really necessary as you see YDL will have it's own partition on top of the PS3OS, which means you are formatting only the YDL partition and not the one where you gamesaves etc are intsalled.

[Stelio]

Hey thanx! I appreciate the quick response.

-STELIO

[rotorhead]

It's not really necessary as you see YDL will have it's own partition on top of the PS3OS, which means you are formatting only the YDL partition and not the one where you gamesaves etc are intsalled.

This is not correct.

I did this last night and you will have to back up to Memory stick or USB key/disk.

After the format everything is gone accept for USER and system data.

Saving and restoring is made easier for music and film by select all.

Games are saves are a little more painful.

You can also back up PS1 and PS2 saves.

[FantasyGhost]

Then why do they mention it in the Guide? Maybe you did something wrong.

They say you have to make a new partition with the PS3 OS before installing that way you have 2 partitions like a regular PC C: partition for gamesaves etc... and D: partition for YDL.
PS3 Preparation
There are just a few things you must do with your PS3 before it is prepared to
install Yellow Dog Linux.

Attach the game controller, a USB keyboard and mouse to your PS3. The game controller will be used to conduct all GameOS functions. The USB keyboard and mouse will be used once you enter the YDL installer.

Power on your PS3. If this is the first time you have used your PS3, you
will be prompted to Select a language, Select a time zone, Set the time &
date, and Set the username (more easily done with a USB keyboard).

Select:

Settings ==> System Settings ==> Format Utility ==>
Format Hard Disk ==> Yes ==> Yes

Select a partition setting for the hard disk:

Custom

You will be presented with option to "Allot 10GB to the Other OS" or "Allot 10GB to the PS3 System." If your PS3 has a 20GB drive and you select 10GB for the PS3 System, this leaves roughly 6.5GB for Linux (which is not enough for a full install, but ample for the default YDL install).

Your PS3 will now format its internal drive.

When complete, press "X" on the controller to EXIT which will cause your PS3 to reboot.

[rotorhead]

I think the salient point of the guide is Number 2.

And I quote "If this is the first time you have used your PS3" ergo you have nothing needing backing up.

However, because the guide fails to mention something does not mean it doesn't need to be done to protect your game saves or A/V data.

Not backing up does not preclude the successful installation of Linux. It just means that when you are finished you will not have your game saves or A/V files.

I can assure you that I did not do something wrong.

[FantasyGhost]

You're wrong on the second point they just could have left out the part where "when you use it for the first time". They tell this in the giude just so that people ont get confused what to do next, if they are promped to fill in the date etc...
It's supposed to be like "idiot proof" or something, and i don't mean to insult anyone by that.

They could very well make it like this:

PS3 Preparation
There are just a few things you must do with your PS3 before it is prepared to
install Yellow Dog Linux.

Attach the game controller, a USB keyboard and mouse to your PS3. The game controller will be used to conduct all GameOS functions. The USB keyboard and mouse will be used once you enter the YDL installer.

Power on your PS3.

Select:

Settings ==> System Settings ==> Format Utility ==>
Format Hard Disk ==> Yes ==> Yes

Select a partition setting for the hard disk:

Custom

You will be presented with option to "Allot 10GB to the Other OS" or "Allot 10GB to the PS3 System." If your PS3 has a 20GB drive and you select 10GB for the PS3 System, this leaves roughly 6.5GB for Linux (which is not enough for a full install, but ample for the default YDL install).

Your PS3 will now format its internal drive.

When complete, press "X" on the controller to EXIT which will cause your PS3 to reboot.

[Stelio]

Now...what if you select "Use All for the PS3 System"? Wouldn't this then delete any game saves you had? And would it be possible to access the origional user menus that came with the system? I'm not sure if any of that was installed on the HDD or within the hardware of the unit itself.

Thanks,

-STELIO

[frosty]

That's most likley in hardware.

[Stelio]

My final 2 questions...what is the difference between the regular YDL install compared to the full Linux install?

And for those who only have the 20 GIG model, what are the drawbacks to utilizing the whole 20 for the "Other OS" installation? I would imagine that any online content you download from the Playstation Network would then be able to be saved onto an exteranl HDD through the "Other OS" installation for further PS3 game access...right?

-STELIO

[frosty]

My question is, can you boot to Linux via an external HDD? Does it have to go on the system drive? I'd like to get a 250GB drive for my OS.

[Stelio]

My question is, can you boot to Linux via an external HDD? Does it have to go on the system drive? I'd like to get a 250GB drive for my OS.

That's another question I forgot to ask...

I actually tried connecting an external HDD but unless theres the "Other OS" insalled, it won't detect it. Which also makes me believe that you cannot do it. But there's gotta be a way...I'm missing something for sure.

EDIT: perhaps after the OS intallation has been complete will you be able to...

[rotorhead]

You're wrong on the second point they just could have left out the part where "when you use it for the first time". They tell this in the giude just so that people ont get confused what to do next, if they are promped to fill in the date etc...
It's supposed to be like "idiot proof" or something, and i don't mean to insult anyone by that.

They could very well make it like this:

Have you actually done this?

Or you just going by what the guide says.

I've actually done this, you will lose you game saves an A/V files and photos.

If you don't believe me follow the guide verbatim and see what happens.

I have a degree in Electronic System Engineering and an MSc. in Computer Science, I have 10 years of industry experience, one thing I have learn't over the years is that one mans technical guide is another mans recipe for disaster.

I have tried to give you the benefit of my personal experience with the re-formating of the PS3 HardDisk. Yet you seem to cling to the accuracy of this guide as if you had written it yourself. If I remember Sony actually raises a dialogue box indicating that everything will be lost, maybe that is why the guide fails to mention it.

Guides are rarely idiot proof and believing such is moronic. Especially when someone who has first hand experience points out a deficiency in the guide.

I'm sorry if you take offence to this post but I'm a little frustrated.

[xbdestroya]

Back-up your data; you will lose it.

Forget the guide, this is what I'm telling you as someone who's installed Linux on his PS3 several times under different scenarios. Backing up the data is super-easy on PS3 - no reason to play it cavalier.

[frosty]

My question is, can you boot to Linux via an external HDD? Does it have to go on the system drive? I'd like to get a 250GB drive for my OS.


^can you shed any light on that XBD?

[FantasyGhost]

I'm sorry if you take offence to this post but I'm a little frustrated.
I'm not offended in any way, if you say you've done this by the book and still lost your data then i believe you.

And i don't have a PS3 untill March... That's why i was going by the guide presuming they are the developers of their distro and tried it a few times before writing this guide.

[xbdestroya]

^can you shed any light on that XBD?

No idea, but I doubt it. The bootloader the PS3 requires be run and installed to put Linux on is done so on the PS3 itself inside of the 'Other OS' partition.

[Nameless]

A few questions before I dive into Linux on the PS3:

Can you use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse during the set up process or do you need to use USB?

Since you partition the hard drive I would imagine you have no access to data on the PS3 OS partition? (I would like to take download files from the Playstation store and push them to other PCs on my LAN)

Is it possible to use media center "like" linux applications with Yellow dog? (I would like to add an external hard drive and use the PS3 as a linux media center PC!) It would be amazing if I could use the system as a tivo and stream video from my other Windows/Vista PC OS...

Can you access the PS3's bluetooth module via Linux?
I would like to do Bluetooth DUN (Dial up Networking) with an EVDO rev A modem/router! Also, use bluetooth keyboard & mouse with the linux OS.

Honestly, I'm very excited to dive into this and see what I can do, but are my expectations or goals too high at this point?

I'm a wireless network engineer and would love to play around with some WWAN options with the PS3, that would be slick IMO. Peace
(Also, would be nice to have remote access to the PS3 via linux!)

PS: XB since you are the most excited about Linux on the forums and seem knowledgeable concerning the OS any help you can provide would be appreciated. I'm a newbie in the Linux world... If you want to help me test some of the networking capabilites PM some contact info man. Peace

[Garfunkel]

A few questions before I dive into Linux on the PS3:

Can you use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse during the set up process or do you need to use USB?


yes


Since you partition the hard drive I would imagine you have no access to data on the PS3 OS partition? (I would like to take download files from the Playstation store and push them to other PCs on my LAN)


Yes, you should be able to access your gameos through YDL, it may be mounted automatically;y, if not you can mount it manually and add it to you /etc/fstab so it mounts it automatically on startup.

but i think it would do it automatically.

To transfer files from linux to windows pc's you will most likely need samba shares.


Is it possible to use media center "like" linux applications with Yellow dog? (I would like to add an external hard drive and use the PS3 as a linux media center PC!) It would be amazing if I could use the system as a tivo and stream video from my other Windows/Vista PC OS...


There are many applications like this on linux.

just wait till mythtv comes out for CELL, it will fulfill your wildest dreams.

[xbdestroya]

PS: XB since you are the most excited about Linux on the forums and seem knowledgeable concerning the OS any help you can provide would be appreciated. I'm a newbie in the Linux world... If you want to help me test some of the networking capabilites PM some contact info man. Peace

Nameless I don't know how much you'll use it or anything, but I assure you you will be at least a little impressed when you're surfing around on your PS3. :)

Yeah I'm all here for you though - happy to help! I'm going to bring Yes It's Me and Dude into it also as two individuals who probably have a fair bit more Linux knowledge than myself as well, and I know they'd be happy to help. We're all here for you man!!! :smoke:

[Stelio]

Hey XBD,

I noticed you mentioned to back up our ps3 (I assume you're talking about games saves specifically). My issue with that was how to get the games saves back onto the ps3...I already backed them up to my psp to test it out but cannot figure out how to take the game save off of the psp and onto the ps3. Or is that problem solved after the installation of the OS?

Thanks,

-STELIO

[xbdestroya]

Hey XBD,

I noticed you mentioned to back up our ps3 (I assume you're talking about games saves specifically). My issue with that was how to get the games saves back onto the ps3...I already backed them up to my psp to test it out but cannot figure out how to take the game save off of the psp and onto the ps3. Or is that problem solved after the installation of the OS?

Thanks,

-STELIO

Hmmm... well I use all flashdrives all the time, so I can't speak to the PSP issue. It should just read it as beign a drive itself, right? The way to get them back on is that the drive should automatically register the save data when plugged into the PS3, and you will be able to see it - and then copy it - from the external media when under teh save game manager in the XMB.

[Stelio]

Hmmm... well I use all flashdrives all the time, so I can't speak to the PSP issue. It should just read it as beign a drive itself, right? The way to get them back on is that the drive should automatically register the save data when plugged into the PS3, and you will be able to see it - and then copy it - from the external media when under teh save game manager in the XMB.

WOW...you know what? I just realised that I wasn't pressing the right button. I thought I tried all of the buttons but I guess I missed it. Shit, thats just rediculous!

Anyway, it's all good now. I guess I'll just install it and figure out my questions I had myself.

Thanks man,

-STELIO

P.S. - I wonder if or when they'll begin utilizing the second half of the systems RAM for Linux? You'd think that it would make some sense to have the systems RAM upgradable for this purpose. PREDICTION...PS4 will be the first console to have upgradable system RAM for purposes not directly related to gaming.

[Garfunkel]

P.S. - I wonder if or when they'll begin utilizing the second half of the systems RAM for Linux? You'd think that it would make some sense to have the systems RAM upgradable for this purpose. PREDICTION...PS4 will be the first console to have upgradable system RAM for purposes not directly related to gaming.

If your talking about the rsx's pool of ram then we will have to wait and see if Yellow Dog or other distros can get access to the rsx.

if your talking about upgreadable ram i don't know if that will come to pass

[FantasyGhost]

You will be presented with option to "Allot 10GB to the Other OS" or "Allot 10GB to the PS3 System." If your PS3 has a 20GB drive and you select 10GB for the PS3 System, this leaves roughly 6.5GB for Linux (which is not enough for a full install, but ample for the default YDL install).
Since there are 60GB versions out there and probably some users will put an even bigger drive in it is it possible afterwards to split it to more then just 10GB? Like with linux if you want your partition a bit bigger you have partition magic to do it for you. Is there some way to do it on the PS3 aswell?

[Applefiend]

Has anyone tried getting an emulator running on YDL yet? Hows the sound?

[xbdestroya]

Since there are 60GB versions out there and probably some users will put an even bigger drive in it is it possible afterwards to split it to more then just 10GB? Like with linux if you want your partition a bit bigger you have partition magic to do it for you. Is there some way to do it on the PS3 aswell?

I've already upgraded my drive to a 120GB drive (from 20GB), but that said you have two options when partitioning; either the Linux partition gets 10GB, or the PS3 partition gets 10GB - the other will get the rest. So I mean, I'm keeping the Other OS partition to 10GB even on the larger drive, but maybe one day Sony will allow more variation. I doubt a third party app from within Linux will be able to touch the partitioning, or at least not yet...

[Garfunkel]

^gparted should be able to do that in the not too distant future.

[FantasyGhost]

I think i found something in the guide too during the installation there will be something for partitioning: Disk druid for the experts.
Partition Drive
Partitioning a drive creates logical (as compared to physical) sections on
your drive, each serving the purpose of organizing and protecting data.
NOTE: If this is the first time installing Linux on your PS3, you will be
warned, "The partition table on this device sda was unreadable ..." This is
normal. Go ahead and select "Yes" to proceed.
You may either allow the Installer to create the partitions for you by selecting
Automatic Partitioning, or conduct this effort manually via Disk Druid.
If you elect to use the Automatic Partitioning feature, you may choose from one
of three schemes:
Remove all Linux partitions: this will delete and then replace only existing
Linux partitions. Please note that if you have already installed Linux on
your PS3, this procedure will DESTROY ALL EXISTING LINUX DATA.
The GameOS and game data will not be harmed.
Remove all partitions: on a PS3 (as compared to a Mac) this will produce
the same result as "Remove all Linux partitions" (above) as the GameOS
cannot be affected by the Linux installer.

Keep all partitions and use existing free space: if you have never installed
Linux on your PS3, this will generate the same result as "Remove all
partitions" (above).
The use of Disk Druid is for advanced Linux users who desire to customize the
partitioning of their drive. If you are new to Linux, we recommended you use
the Automatic Partition tool discussed prior to this section.
If you elect to build your partitions manually, you should create the following:
swap - used to temporarily store data no longer held in RAM. Swap should
be no less than 512MB.
home - by creating a "/home" dir, you may re-install YDL and preserve your
home directory. This may be any size you desire, but likely at least 1 GB.
/ - contains everything else (/etc, /sbin, /var, etc.) and should be at least
8GB for a full install, but no smaller than 3GB for the default YDL install

[Garfunkel]

i would recommend making a /home directory. New users will end up reinstalling every few days.

[MegaGrid]

One encouraging aspect of YDL is that it recognizes the SPUs of the CELL processor. This of course does not mean by any way that its core uses the SPUs of course.
Do not know yet how this units are accessed or of course used. Probably there is not a single software of the package distribution that uses them.
Probably there is going to begin a rise of multimedia software packages that access and utilize them. This is certainly cool. Sony here gives the opportunity for someone to take full advantage of the Cell processor at his home.
About the graphic capabilities there are a lot of debates as I read. Most probably sony does not want 3D game development from another OS. This sounds logical considering that they will be gaining money not from selling hardware but from software for a while.
May I predict though the breach of their security from hackers? Dont know yet the specs of how they protect Linux from accessing the RSX but this is certainly going to break. The question is whether this would be worth it.
Ok even if someone has access to the RSX he/she still needs a driver to work with it. So let me predict another thing. The SDKs that Sony provides for Game Developers will be also ported to Linux.
3D game development in Linux will be unavoidable whether they like it or not. It is just a question of time. The question is will Sony permit it with a licence or will there be a mess caused by piracy on this issue with a consequence of Sony loosing control of its machine.
So my proposal to Sony would be
1) To permit full access to the RSX.
2) To convince NVIDIA to provide a driver for the RSX

I think that by this way they will gain control of a big market. It will be like saying to everyone buy a PS3. It is worthwhile. If someone buys a PS3 he is bound to buy games anyway. Also lets not forget that games are not the only 3D multimedia content around. There are other contents that interest industries and academia. It can be certainly very interesting buying some PS3s, have them online in 1Gb and have people working with 3D multimedia content under the licence of Sony.
I mean the PS3 could simply go everywhere.

Also lets not forget that the XBOX360 is now moded and there are places that sell it with mod or without. So much for the great security that Microsoft was boasting about. Soon it will begin to be cheap (as I hear the additional price to acquire it moded are quite high around 75% of its price). So Microsoft wont gain either from hardware or software soon enough.

Anyway enough from me. Just making some points.

PS: From Sony Site:
256MB XDR Main RAM 256MB GDDR3 VRAM
Could someone please tell IGN that there is no question which memory YDL uses? It is the 64bit (of course) XDR memory. How on earth can Linux use the other half? It does not even has access to the RSX.

[Garfunkel]

there is no doubt that access to the rsx will be hacked to a point that sony may just allow it but i really hope that nvidia makes a driver. it would then literally be a fully fledged pc.

So funny looking back a few months where almost all of us were doubting a full Linux distro with usable capabilities capable of replacing a pc - and yet, here we are.

[masteratt]

PS3 is finally a PC.....It's starting to lose it's Gaming console charm though :(


No wait, I can still lie down and have the power of the world in the palm of my hands :)

[Garfunkel]

PS3 is finally a PC.....It's starting to lose it's Gaming console charm though :(


No wait, I can still lie down and have the power of the world in the palm of my hands :)

oh this is only the beginning, GNU/Linux is advancing much faster then anyone has ever anticipated. In the last 4 years it has gone from a hobbyist operating system to nothing short of a revolution, people and governments and organisations the world over have changed to free software, in another 3 years time i cannot begin to imagine how advanced it will be.

Get ready for some real surprises in the following months/years as KDE 4 nears completion and a universal binary with secure by obscurity is (possibly) developed. Also the root of Linux may be altered to a more simple format of "users" "system" "programs" "boot" "libs" etc instead of "etc" "opt" "var" "usr" and "mnt" et cetera.

Also, as Linux holds a very high market share in the 3rd world we can expect an explosion of popularity very soon as some of these nations (such as India and China) are advancing very rapidly. Remember the 3rd world nations are much bigger then the 1st and initiatives such as the OLPC (one laptop per child) are things that undeniably will have a huge impact on the global Operating System market and free software in general. Microsoft does not have a hand in these markets and free software is a far more promising alternative to most people, especially in 3rd world nations.

We may finally see the "year of the Linux desktop."

*reallies his rant had almost no relation to the topic*

[masteratt]

No idea what any of that means but you sure got me excited!

£435 (though still not officially confirmed!) price point for the PS3 is becoming easier to swallow by the second.

Is it a super computer? Is it our beloved Gaming machine? Is it a multi-media device? NOPE! It's all in one! And it offers all those three things in the best possible quality.

Nothing short of genius, we love you Sony :grouphug:

[OmniCloud]

oh this is only the beginning, GNU/Linux is advancing much faster then anyone has ever anticipated. In the last 4 years it has gone from a hobbyist operating system to nothing short of a revolution, people and governments and organisations the world over have changed to free software, in another 3 years time i cannot begin to imagine how advanced it will be.

Get ready for some real surprises in the following months/years as KDE 4 nears completion and a universal binary with secure by obscurity is (possibly) developed. Also the root of Linux may be altered to a more simple format of "users" "system" "programs" "boot" "libs" etc instead of "etc" "opt" "var" "usr" and "mnt" et cetera.

Also, as Linux holds a very high market share in the 3rd world we can expect an explosion of popularity very soon as some of these nations (such as India and China) are advancing very rapidly. Remember the 3rd world nations are much bigger then the 1st and initiatives such as the OLPC (one laptop per child) are things that undeniably will have a huge impact on the global Operating System market and free software in general. Microsoft does not have a hand in these markets and free software is a far more promising alternative to most people, especially in 3rd world nations.

We may finally see the "year of the Linux desktop."

*reallies his rant had almost no relation to the topic*Thats freakin AWESOME!!!!!!

VIVA LA LINUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THE REVOLUTION BEGINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[joe]

Has anyone tried getting an emulator running on YDL yet? Hows the sound?

http://playstation3.cz/redirect.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwa tch%3Fv%3DgZcj8zoYtHY%26mode%3Drelated%26search%3D

... SNES9x,Chronotrigger !!!,sound is crappy,but its only a begining.

[Applefiend]

Yup, got that working a couple of days ago. The software update seems broken on ydl, so I'm going to try and manually install a Genesis emulator with the good old Linux shell this weekend.

PS3 shall play Sonic the hedgehog 1!!!

[Teh Roxor!]

This stuff is all pretty cool. I wonder how fast the cell compiles OpenOffice.org.

just wait till mythtv comes out for CELL, it will fulfill your wildest dreams.
:farley:
Shit yeah, ladies. If that happens, I'll probably buy a PS3.

[amuront]

I just installed ydl linux on my friend's ps3. I need some help now.

How do you mount the ps3 partition onto ydl linux? (Mabye it is already mounted but I cannot locate it)

What media player/codec do I need to install to play most video?
(I cannot player any video using the supplied one (Totem))
Some step by step guide would be nice if it requires to compile the source.

How do I give dvd-rom mount/unmount right to normal user (not root)?

I was hoping a more complete package where things work right out of the box. So I am a little disappointed, and my lack of in-depth linux knowledge does not help either. It would be more alright if I do it for myself if I had my own ps3 where i can spend more time on it. Hopefully, PS3 Linux Community will make all this painless in the future.

[Garfunkel]

and there is always kaffeine if you can't set up mythtv, still almost a media centre.


I was hoping a more complete package where things work right out of the box. So I am a little disappointed,


although i can't help you, (very limited rpm knowledge) The reason mp3/mpeg etc support is not out of the box is because of the restrictions placed on the licensing terms which make it difficult to implement - blame the stupid legal system and its software patents which make no sense.

[MegaGrid]

I was discussing with a person who has worked with the CELL processor on a Blade system. He told me in general that the CELL processor will become a dominant player in processors. The fact that SONY opened the doors to be able to experiment with this new processor is simply amazing. This person did not intend to buy a PS3 until I told him this. Now he is going to buy it...

Now Sony needs to do the final step : Open the doors to the RSX.

[rpgamer_2k5]

^^ That's not necessarily needed for academic-related projects. The SPEs are very powerful in the graphics front so there is no need. However for homebrew games the RSX is required hence many want RSX support on YDL.

Sony could counter the sale of unlicensed games by sueing those SOBs. It should be illegal to bypass license fees on the PS3. If that's not possible then the RSX shouldn't be supported. Keep in mind, it's sales not donations that they're worried about.

[MegaGrid]

I agree there are some applications (even ray-tracing) that can use just the Cell capabilities. There are some other though that require real-time response (like virtual environments, have you forgotten these type of academic related applications?).
As I said the fact that they opened the Cell processor is just simply amazing by itself. IBM has provided a lot of information for simply everyone to get involved in the programming of the Cell processor and most of all now he/she can do it cheaply. He just needs to buy a PS3.
This is why I am saying that the PS3 is "cheap" if you consider the amount of possibilities it gives for its use.

[Applefiend]

Ahh you see, you open the door to RSX, people will start writing downloadable games for free.

Actually Cash Guns Chaos kinda looks like a homebrew game. :)

[MegaGrid]

I know but the games that are going to be developed will be no match to the millions of dollars spent game developed from a big studio.
It will also open the doors for new talents to show their capabilities. Tutorials are going to be written etc etc. It can surely beat the PC platform.
The more people are involved in PS3 the more popular the system becomes especially if these people are originated from the academic society (what these people may offer? A discipline towards 3D multimedia development, this is a necessity for stable and growing evolution)
Anyway this is where I stand.
P.S: May I say a small secret to you? Do not be mad with Sony saying that only 7 SPUs are active. It is a nice way of providing a system where all the mentioned SPUs will be working. The PS3 needed to be completely stable and identical. They have chosen the best possible way: They made one of the SPUs redundant. Heating issues is also one parameter to be added as well.

[Applefiend]

To be honest I think you could spend $100 and get better results than Cash Guns Chaos. :)

[Nameless]

I'm about to install YD on my PS3 this evening!
I already downloaded the ISO and burned it to DVD, and the boot files are on my USB drive ready to roll.

I just need to make a quick run to pick up a USB keyboard/mouse, because I only have BT and it's not currently supported for the PS3 install... :(

I will post my thoughts on the OS and my install experience later this evening or tomorrow. Peace

[xbdestroya]

Good for you Nameless, let us know the results. :smoke:

The YDL install is easy as can be IMO... it's very Windows-esque.

[Applefiend]

Make sure you use the otheros.bld file intended for ydl, not the fedora one.

[Garfunkel]

really, the windows install is hard compared to linux installs, ridiculously simple.

Nameless; have patience.

[Nameless]

I successfully installed Yellow Dog...
I have to agree the installation was very easy and I only had two oh shit moments...
When I first selected the PS3 to boot Linux my controller went crazy and the LEDs were blinking and I could not get the controller to respond. I rebooted with the game OS and turned off the controller before I rebooted with Linux and that solved the problem.
Also, you have an option to test your install disk before installing and since I obtained YDL via torrent I really wanted to test the ISO before I used it, but I guess it's missing the file to perform the test. I received a prompt that recommended I not load the disk and it ejected the DVD because the test failed... I took a leap of faith trusting all my forum brothers and decided to load the disk again and continue with the install. I figured someone would have posted some warnings on our forum if the torrent was bricking PS3, but I was sweating for a few minutes...

Here's my impressions:
The install was very easy and straight forward for anyone who is computer savvy IMO.
(It sucks that you have to change the config file in the root profile and reboot to try different resolutions...)
The lack of RAM makes all the apps start a little slow, but once they get going everything moves at a fast pace.
It looks like all your standard office applications are available right out of the box and you get the Firefox browser! (I'm using the PS3 and the Firefox browser to write this post!)
I'm not sure about media players, because I still need to play around and see what functionality I have from the install disk.

The only gripes I have is the lack of GPU support for the OS, because the screen resolution is ok, but nothing spectacular. If the OS could use the GPU the screen resolution would be significantly better.
Also, the lack of RAM could become annoying if you are currently using a PC with tons of RAM...
The browser is Firefox, but it looks like no Java support out the box I will have to find the plug ins.

Overall I'm fairly impressed considering this is all free to anyone who chooses to take the 90 mins to install the OS. If you already own a PC I don't really see a reason to use YDL at this moment, but that could soon change if people develop some nice apps to utilize the cells processing power. If I did not own a PC this could be a viable option for basic computing... I'm not sure if Linux would be appropriate for someone new to computing, because it could be somewhat intimidating. If you had GUIs for all system configurations I would change my stance regarding that comment. Peace

[Garfunkel]

the reason why Linux usually does not use graphical configuration environments is because it sets too many variables. There are so many distros and so many window managers it would cause anarchy within the community. Just by using the terminal there are not many variables.

also, if programs take a while to load you may like to do some research on prelinking, it allows you to start programs quicker basically.

[Nameless]

^ Does YDL have a BT stack?
I would like to use my BT devices and perhaps try BT DUN with a WWAN device!
I'm fairly new to Linux and will obviously need to spend some time becoming familiar with the OS...

[Garfunkel]

^ Does YDL have a BT stack?
I would like to use my BT devices and perhaps try BT DUN with a WWAN device!
I'm fairly new to Linux and will obviously need to spend some time becoming familiar with the OS...

for Linux there are plenty!
have a look at:
http://affix.sourceforge.net/
http://www.bluez.org/

and about 1/5th of the way down this page there is some info under the heading "bluetooth stacks". I am not a network engineer but i hope that helps, there should be some documentation and compiling instructions on their websites.

[amuront]

^ Does YDL have a BT stack?
I would like to use my BT devices and perhaps try BT DUN with a WWAN device!
I'm fairly new to Linux and will obviously need to spend some time becoming familiar with the OS...

Try this one:
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/support/solutions/ydl_4.0/bluetooth.shtml

That's for YDL 4.0. So I don't know if it will work as I no longer have a ps3 (I gave it back to my friend :cry2:)

The only gripes I have is the lack of GPU support for the OS, because the screen resolution is ok, but nothing spectacular. If the OS could use the GPU the screen resolution would be significantly better.

I am not sure what exactly you mean, but have you tried this?
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/support/solutions/ydl_5.0/video-config.shtml

[MegaGrid]

I can not comment on the delay that the PS3 has since I do not owe one. Also I still do not know HOW the other OS sees the Hardware. This is rather interesting. I can not get out of my mind the famous VMWare...
I certainly do not think though that a CELL emulator is running for the CELL system but I think that SONY needs to elaborate more on the technical specs of the other OS.
This question that I have now is certainly in the minds of a lot of people.
By the way are there any specifics for the Other OS???
Come on Sony give us some feedback on this issue. I am certain that there is no emulation but explain us how did you do it. :-)
PS: Let me make a guess: There is no emulation for the CELL processor but there is certainly an emulation for the graphical display which is probably causing delays (There is a certain amount of emulation going on there which needs to do a translation before displaying the output, if you think about it this is logical! Do not forget the RSX is connected DIRECTLY to the CELL). So my opinion is that PS3 will be a hard brick to break. Inside the other OS there will be no way to reach the RSX (it is controlled by the PS3 OS) so an NVIDIA driver is out of the question for the time being.
So what I am saying is this... The road to an open RSX access is just a firmware update. Simple as this. In other words it is up to Sony to decide.

[Nameless]

BTW Sony or Terrasoft needs to develop a more elegant user friendly way to switch between the partitions and OS boot... (At least give us a change OS option in YDL and then perform the reboot.)

[MegaGrid]

Also take a look at :
http://www.setup32.com/hardware/video-games-consoles/the-sony-playstation-3-dissect.php

It helps a lot in understanding some things and why there should be delay issues in the other OS.
The most interesting part is this :

"According to documents leaked earlier this year, developers are supposed to use the RSX to access the main XDR memory or the GDDR3 memory found on the RSX chip."

I do not know though if this is true. If it is true then if the system uses the XDR 64bit memory (which is the most probable scenario, it can't be the GDDR3 simply can't) we certainly have here an additional delay factor.

I am certain though that firmwares are going to appear that resolve these issues. So we can understand why Sony is insisting on saying how firmware upgrades will make the PS3 even more challenging as time passes by :-)

P.S: Needless to say that I was anticipating that hacking is going to happen very soon on the PS3. I happen to see all angles of the problem and I certainly think that I have posted some ideas here that can make the PS3 even more challenging. :-)

[amuront]

BTW Sony or Terrasoft needs to develop a more elegant user friendly way to switch between the partitions and OS boot... (At least give us a change OS option in YDL and then perform the reboot.)

In a YDL terminal just type boot-game-os, you will be back to GameOS and the default boot will become PS3.
You can even create a shortcut on the desktop or the application menu.
If you are using a user account, you probably have to give the appropriate right to the boot-game-os file form the root account.

Now if I can only boot to OtherOS from XMB directly without rebooting....

[Leedogg]

ok I'm downloading Yellow Dog via torrent, right now. I have the PS3 boot files and the otheros.bld in a usb stick so I'm ready with that. Anything special I should do on the install, or just install it straight up?

[frosty]

back up your HDD.

[OmniCloud]

Anyone who knows how to use Linux please respond in my "tech Central" thread-I'm in need of help!

[Garfunkel]

done, and pm'd you some great stuff.

i still think we need that linux for ps3 subforum, the community will see why soon...

[frosty]

Not really. Linux for PS3 is no different than linux for PC. All issues can be tackled there.

[Garfunkel]

fine, i will speak no more on the matter, i will just put a warning in my sig for a while.